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Four Clubs, One Place!

I think that barring a major collapse, we can pretty much assume that Chelsea, City and Arsenal are fighting for the title and are already shoe ins for top four places.

Again, aside of a major collapse or title winning run from someone else, it would seem that we have a race between Liverpool, Spurs, Everton and United for the one remaining top four place and though United are slightly adrift, their history, makes them a team that you can`t discount, even without their former master. There is of course still a week or so to bring in new faces, however is this always a guarantee of improvement? We can always consider the games between the top teams and the old adage of "Six Pointers" come into play. First, here are the key games the four have to play.

Liverpool: Everton (H), Arsenal (H), Man Utd (A), Spurs (H), Man City (H), Chelsea (H). Spurs: Man City (H), Everton (H), Chelsea (A), Arsenal (H), Liverpool (A). Everton: Liverpool (A), Spurs (A), Chelsea (A), Arsenal (H), Man Utd (H), Man City (H). Man Utd: Arsenal (A), Man City (H), Liverpool (H), Everton (A). We do of course also have to consider other cup and European commitments and how they will stretch and tire the squads. Liverpool and Everton are still in the FA Cup and you assume will be keen to make a good impression in a bid to win silverware, United are in the Capital One (for now) and still have the Champions league, whilst Spurs have the Europa and the dreaded Thursday games. Liverpool and Everton, don`t have the distraction of Europe. Will that be a key to their own season?

Squad Strength and depth, experience, confidence, momentum and of course luck, are all keys to how a team finishes a season. All have top quality and you also feel there is room for improvement in all four, as new players and system settle, which makes this a hugely difficult one to call. Do Liverpool have the one or two outstanding players such as Suarez and the leadership of Gerrard, as key. Have Spurs started that run and are at last fulfilling their pre season expectations? Everton have perhaps surprised people with how quickly they have embraced the Martinez methods, but do they have the squad depth? United have the experience, and still have match winners, but have they also lost their aura?

My heart says Spurs, but my head honestly doesn`t have a clue. The next few games will give us a better indication and certainly with Spurs, will this be the indicator that Tim Sherwood has what it takes? The same of course applies to Moyes and Martinez. What might be the decider is how team cope with a slip up or loss of that key player. Could Liverpool be the same without Suarez? Everton with our Lukaku? But also what will happen to United if and when they get Rooney and RVP fit and firing, whilst Spurs will surely benefit from returning Vertonghen, Paulinho and several others, who might also be fresh legs for the season run in...




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday January 22 2014

Time: 9:11AM

Your Comments

Bingo!
logos8
nice one. I won't be surprised if all of us will finish in the space of 3 to 4 points going down to goal difference for the CL spot
logos8
I don't agree with the fact that the next games will give us a better indication of how and who where will finish. It will go down to the wire, you can perform admirably until the end and lose your last two must wins and you're out. You need luck and consistency. Team spirit and determination more important than tactics and reputation. COYS
logos8
I will keep hoping and shouting like a lunatic till the end of the season.coys.
bazdog
For me it's between us and Liverpool
Mixer yids
ok and Utd if they get Rooney and RVP back together
Mixer yids
Alot could depend on who has the best window. Looks like we are searchng for Serie A squad players - Serie A is not the strongest of leagues. Oh dear. Another great January window
jonathan01
It is going to be a hell of a tough ride! Everton and Liverpool games are a must win games, a loss would be a disaster. United seems to have the easiest games left, but they have the the CL and cup games to play. Wouldn't write them off yet.
Jables
For once Spurs have a big squad and that will be the difference which will get us 4th
Halfmoon
I really don't buy the six pointer idea. Liverpool destroyed us on our own ground, we're level on points. All that matters is who gets the most points, how you get them and who you get them against isn't important.
jod
Just like the battle at the top of the table the one for 4th will go down to the wire. I predicted you guys for 4th at the start of the season but I was sort of thinking Suarez would be gone by now and honestly didn't think Everton would be so consistently good.

Going against you lot is the Europa League and how that wears out players, I think your record after mid-week games is not great (?) and also relying on Ade is always a big risk as you never know when he is going to just stop trying and pushing for his next move or big contract.

Sherwood's approach has been remarkably effective but it will be shown up against the really good teams. Good news is that you have a strong squad in midfield which is where it really counts.

United are not out of it yet, they have the easiest run in and of late have been pretty good at putting away the lesser teams.

Your next 3 games are City (h), Hull (a) Everton (h) and 3 draws is a real possibility. United's next are Cardiff (h), Stoke (a) and Fulham (h). 7 or even 9 points a real possibility and that's them level with you or even ahead!

It will be a vital NLD in March, 3 points for you lot really helps the 4th place race. But a win for us and it goes a long way towards the league title!

Galway Gooner
Liverpool have an advantage with no european travel/games, United could come very strong if they sign Mata and get RVP and Rooney fit. 3 horse race. Best manager IMO Martinez, so is it a genuine 4 horse race? well that was useful want it.
tophobunty1882
GG...Just couldn't help yourself could you?. You won't be winning that league title. Everybody knows Arsenal like the minimalistic look in their trophy room. Less work for the cleaner.
Cider spurs
Whats to say Le Ars and Chelsea dont capitulate or lose these games against top teams? I honestly think City will take the title, but the rest is still up for grabs as we have seen many matches swing and plenty shocker results this season. Everton are punching above their weight and Liverpool are a one man band. Spurs and United will be playing for 4th and I feel Liverpool may sneak in there with lady luck.
Mix26
I would say Everton based on there consistency, Liverpool are still a bit flaky, Utd have dropped to many points, teams dont fear them any more. We could do it, providing the lads step up we need to grind out a few more points against teams like City.
coys1717
i think Logos has it here. Galway the one at the top wont go to the wire as a 3 horse race....
tophobunty1882
The key points: Everton have the least number of defeats in the league. Turn a few of those draws into wins, and they would be hard to keep up with. Somewhat quietly they have gone about their job, and are doing excellently. They will sign the TALL Traore, and imagine Baines crossing for that dude... ManU have Moyes... Moyes at Everton would ALWAYS finish the season strongly. Coincidentally, Moyes' Everton would usually start each season slowly, just like Man U have. Do not discount them. If they are smart, they should be finalising deals for a couple of good signings, and they would be a threat. If they do not sign anyone, then I think that they won't make top 4. Liverpool seem to be playing out of their skins, yet they still cannot pull away. Heavily reliant on their strikers, you have to wonder what would happen should Suarez pick up an injury. The front 2 score so many goals out of nothing, you wonder if they can keep on doing that. Liverpool also seem to follow a pattern: slaughter the weak teams, and lose/draw to the best. Hopefully Villa have shown a lot of teams how to get points off Liverpool and to stop them playing. I also wonder about Gerrard. Us - who knows? I still think we have a problem at home. That may count against us, and also our goal difference. The other issue is that we still have Holtby, Capoue, Lamela, Soldado waiting to get integrated. This may distract us. My gut feeling is that Liverpool just seem to have the knack of scoring early goals that see them through. I think that they will get it.
TonyRich
Really don’t know THB, if I had to stick a grand on it at gun point id put it on Liverpool. Everton picked up another few injuries against WBA so their squad is looking a bit depleted, they are also starting to show signs of fatigue this early on so I can’t see them having a strong finish. United, well this all depends on who and IF they buy in this window as they are seriously lacking quality. 6point off top isn’t a lot at this stage but it all depends on how many points they pick up or drop before RVP & Rooney are full match fit I think. Liverpool, they have the odd wobble now and again like a lucky point at Villa but they aren’t really showing signs of slowing down. I just hope the Villa game was the start of a slump for them

Finally Spurs, it’s such a tough one, we have the best squad out of the four teams aiming for 4th, we are in the best form, and having already played united we have one less of the big boys to paly than Liverpool. We have Sandro Paulinho Vertonghen, Townsend all to come back in so our squad is nearly up to full strength. The thing that concerns me is if ADE goes missing we are really going to struggle. I really think it would be worth going for a striker this window. We say this EVERY year but get a striker in this window and we can nail on top 4. Don’t and its down to the wire. I very much doubt ADE will get a new deal at the end of the year which only leaves Soldado. No harm whatsoever in bringing in a cheaper option such as Gomis (stats don’t look bad this season) or a loan deal for Jovetic or someone. If Levy has a wad to spend then Benteke or Remy.
hudderspur
Cider - lets not go down the whole trophy room debate shall we, I think we all know which club have the most impressive trophy haul between our two clubs.

I think we have a great chance of the title, been the best team over the last 12 months and the most consistent this season. Traditionally we're very strong finishers to the season so we've as good a chance as any. It will go down to the last game or two I think.

Galway Gooner
tophobunty1882 - yep, and also Liverpool have no Europe distraction. Big advantage.... Although we have Man U are still in the cups, and we are out of the domestic cups...
TonyRich
Not for you it wont Galway, Chelsea Man City maybe.
tophobunty1882
Tops - let me guess as soon as we have to play anyone we'll fall away, right?
Galway Gooner
For me, getting Kaboul and Vertonghen back and playing reguarly will give us a big boost in our quest. I like vlad, but if we can have a pairing of the aforementioned then i think this improves us dramatically. Another issue to address has to be home form. Having a home record the same as Hull regarding Wins, draws and losses (although Hull have scored more and conceded less) is nowhere near good enough. IMO, Everton and Liverpool are pretty much at optimum regarding performance output. Man Utd and Tottenham are still well in the hunt and i believe there is a case for argument that we currently are not at our optimum level (Spurs at home, Utd in general). If we can perform better and reach the levels we should be at home, and do it continually, i see no reason why we should not be overtaking the likes of Liverpool and Everton. We are level now, and have still not set the league alight for the whole of the season, players out to return, a new manager, new belief, a good run currently materialising. If we can pick ourselves up from the odd loss, and perform to the best ability with players we have home and away, i'd say we are in good shape.
Cider spurs
keep guessing Galway, do you want to move over to the Arsenal thing/board and I will join you there to discuss arsenal or we can stay here and discuss spurs possibly? however i think we have a restrictions on away fans due to police instructions.
tophobunty1882
Cider very true, not many top teams could handle having 1st and 2nd choice CBs out for extended periods, (and no left back for 2 months didn't help) think of Arsenal as a case in mind. That will be a big plus as will Sandro, Paulinho and Townsend coming back. The new open tactics have reduced the complications is playing football, possibly the biggest help of all.
tophobunty1882
It really is the most interesting window and premier league for a long time. So many potential candidates for the title and top 4. Any team can drop poick up a couple of keys injuries..I agree with those who say If Man United get Mata they will get top 4. I feel spurs should just go all out to get him, again as said above - we offered 30mil for Willian..why not for Mata? He could then stay in London! -yes we have many players in his position but as good? Nope! Sell Sig, Holtby, Chadli, Capoue and get 1 or 2 that make us stronger IMO. I've said on many posts - keep strengthening just to stay where you were in the league. It's cut throat and yes I'm repeating myself but in the summer - we sold more than we spent - so we should have some funds left to use (defoe recently too) I would agree with those saying either Mata, Hulk, Bernard, Reus..and a out and out striker (costa or martinez for me) can anyone argue we would not be stronger?
chavli
lol topho that was phucking priceless!
Mix26
It's easy to say this or that but the financial rewards for the champs league is massive and of course spurs only having been in the competition once could do with some more action there so for me it's a no brainer to try and strengthen. If we finish 5th or 6th..we'd all be gutted as at the start of the season we had high hopes..imagine in TS had been in charge since the start - we'd probably be top of the table!
chavli
Chavli, I think thats a good post, but I am not sure on Mata for us because I think Eriksen might be as good or better soon. We need a left back and a forward to genuinely improve us, agree sell those players or loan/sell. I cant see Chelsea selling Mata to us in any event
tophobunty1882
Tops - don't be so bitter, it doesn't suit you and beware of bad karma and all that.

All predictions are guess work but basing Arse being there at the end of season on current form, fixtures and condition of the squad. Remember our player of the season is back for the next league game!

For what it's worth I think you will just miss out on the top 4, but having done the prediction thing on The-Mustard.com it's only 2 points between yourselves, United and Liverpool (4th). So a win either way could swing it.

Galway Gooner
I cannot believe that Man U sat back and watched Modric, Ozil, Paulinho, Fernandinho all change clubs without any interest. It is quite clear that they are lacking spark and vibrancy in the creative CM area. I do also think that whilst many think that Felliani is not a true Man U player, he has only started 4 league games for them. Get him back fit, and who knows what effect he could have.
TonyRich
Galway, i think when you eventually get kicked out the Champions League Bayern Munich or if your lucky the next round it will be how you bounce back from that your season will be decided. Last season that 2nd leg in Germany, even though you ultimately lost gave you a huge confidence boost to your season to convince the players they could mix it with the best. This time round Arsenal are thinking they are the best and confidence is on cloud 9. A rude wake up call from Bayern could send the players Tumbling.
spurs-stelios
Galway - the fact that you guys are still top right now is showing the pundits up. They all wrote you guys off early on. However in March, you have Chelsea and ManC in consecutive games - sandwiched between matches away to Spurs and Everton! Navigate that, and the title is yours. Very tough. before that, you still have Liverpool & Southampton away. However, your last 5 look very winnable. And yes you ALWAYS finish strongly. Let's see. My gut feeling is that City will win the title. Purely due to their ridiculous strike force, plus the goals from Yaya, and all over the pitch. Chelsea have the Mourinho factor, and are curiously only 2 points behind you without playing anywhere near on the level of you or City. If Chelsea start performing, they are a threat too.
TonyRich
I said to GG after about 10 games that I can see Arsenal actually winning the league. I don't see any reason to change my mind yet. Their main rivals are Citeh who are just scoring for fun. I see Liverpool getting the odd few poor results and gradually dropping out of the 4th place race. I think that Everton will also fall away towards the end of the season, small squad, injuries and tiredness will affect them. I feel that ManU will go on a run, and it will be down to us to keep our run going in order to clinch 4th place.
spurboy61
Shame Sherwood wasn't there for day 1. Still a healthy squad some very very good players in the Spurs team. I'd like to think that this squad will take us into top 4 if not higher. Ade, Soldado, Lennon, Townsend, Lamela, Eriksen, Chadli, Bentaleb, Dembele, Sandro, Paulinho, Rose, Verts, Kaboom, Dawson, Walker, Naughton, Chircheres , Lloris . I wonder if we'll be dreaming of higher when we beat City this weekend
willfry
chavli - topho - I am a massive Mata fan. But I am with topho that it is already "too many cooks" in those areas in our squad, and it would stifle a blossoming Eriksen. But it does sadden me to NOT see Mata lighten up our league (against our rivals...) I would be a tad surprised to see Chelsea let Mata go to a rival...admittedly they may not see Man U as a rival right now, but it could come back to haunt them.
TonyRich
Think we are in with a very good shout but I still see it as needing LB, GK and a stiker as priorities. We have enough cover everywhere else. If, and it's more than possible with the way he comes out, Lloris gets injured will Friedel be able or even quick enough to play sweeper keeper? Rose is struggling, possibly because he isn't that good yet and has no cover in front of him, like Lennon for Walker, and we need a more consistent good LB. Ade is playing really well atm but he could easily disappear or pick up an injury. Soldado may be more prolific playing with Eriksen or Lamela behind him but he may not. Not Defoe, he's off in 10/11 games and I don't rate him up front on his own! Hence we need cover there too. Tim might think we have enough cover and just utilise the youngsters. His call, his job on the line!
longtimespur
If we sell Siggy, Holtby and Capoue then Mata would fit in nicely. them 3 would almost pay for him as well.
spurs-stelios
will be great if we do willfry because we dont play them til wednesday, sherwood would be god if he could pull that one off
tophobunty1882
Yeah we do have a few in his position but if we could shift a few on - Mata has destroyed us in the past..and many others! He is literally world class..I would actually play him in the 3 behind the striker - I really like the idea that TS has of interchanging front players - Mata would be perfect but of course we do have many like him already just not as good. I'm not putting down any of our squad (apart from chadli) I just think whilst we can push for champs league we should! I woulnd;t write anyone off for the title at this stage - true Arsenal and City seem unstoppable but as Tonyrich says above - more hard fixtures to come. I'm just preying that TS has got levy and baldini on side to complete the squad..we have depth..but do we have the strength?
chavli
Spurs-stelios - exactly! It as simple as that - improve what we have (not saying they are bad players - but if we want to be top) I like the way TS has got us playing, he wants us to play forward with pace..I bet any money he has players in mind..like others saying imagine when our Brazillians are back in the fold..
chavli
I keep ranting on but does anyone argue with: Shifting Capoue, Holtby, Chadli, Sig, Livermore (perm) - that's midfielders out and get 1 or 2 of Mata / Berbard/ Reus in..=major upgrade. Then as we've sold defoe get a striker then a LB and goalkeeper..Yes I am expecting deals to happen!
chavli
If Defoe is not replaced his loss will have a major negative influence on the top 4, not only for his loss as an impact sub in the Premiership, but also for the fact that Ade and Soldado will have to step into Defoe's normal Thursday night starting role in the Europa, which means more games for them both, more risk of fatigue and injury... I fell the decisions that have already been made upstairs during this window (Defoe) and will be made in the next 9 days will be the deciding factor on our top four chances. Sadly our fate is still in the hands of Daniel Levy, not with the coach and training staff at OUR club, which has been the fundamental flaw during the entire Sugar/Enic era's... Who is Levy about to buy? And what further shocks does he have in store for us on the departure front? Will he assist Tim this window or will he hinder his chances further with yet more of his appalling decisions to sale KEY players???
Pele10
Wow, how things have changed, I remember with AVB in charge most were saying we would finish 6th, and next season would see us push, now according to the poll, we are favourites to finish 4th. I wonder if this is based on our 6 game unbeaten run since AVB departed. Well I thought we would finish 6th. and I still believe that, we may finish 5th or 7th , to me its Liverpool for 4th, maybe Utd if they sign some quality players in the window, and Rooney and Van Persie come back soon.
Ossie
chavli - how can we fit in Mata if we have struggled all season to fit in Chadli, Soldado, Lamela, Holtby - and only just now seemed to have slotted Eriksen in...? I just think that it is not the priority right now. LB has inadequate cover, and many here even think that our first choice LB is inadequate. You are only as strong as your weakest link. Mata would aid in scoring goals, but since Sherwood has taken over, scoring goals hasn't been an issue. The attacking options should be addressed in summer in my opinion because we still need to see what formations and tactics TS will employ, and we still need to find out what our new signings can do.
TonyRich
Well, there are certainly a lot of 'ifs and buts' but it should all become clear after the next 16 games.
Geofspurs
Ossie - I agree that it is wrong to judge where we will end up based on the "honeymoon period" of Sherwood's appointment. When we see it settle down into normality, then we can really judge. It may be so tight that the difference between 4th and 7th could be a couple of points, so we could well end up 6th whilst performing well. Our goal difference will then come back to haunt us...
TonyRich
Teams hardly spend alot in the Jan transfer window, so it's highly unlikely we will sell off all the players people on here suggest, maybe 1 or 2, and maybe a few out on loan, but thats it, as for players coming in, I doubt we will bring anyone in, as for Mata Im sure there will be bigger and better teams than Spurs, ready to but if for true Chelsea are willing to offload him
Ossie
Tonyrich I agree LB and Striker more important but when world class is available I think we should go for! As I said if it could happen I'd shift Chadli, Holtby, Sig, Capoue..then -Ade/ Soldado up top with a 3 behind from: Mata, Erikson, Lamela, Lennon, Townsend...depending on fitness and opposition - of course Dembele and Paulihno can play in there too.
chavli
TR have to agree with you there especially re LB. Also, I think, we need cover at GK becos the way Lloris comes out to get the ball with a forward chasing it, like Benteke, he's always likely to get injured and I wouldn't fancy Friedel in those situations.
longtimespur
As it stands we are more likely to get Champs League than Man u (as we are higher) and if Mata was willing to go to them- maybe he'd consider us? If we want to push on we need best possible players and I don;t think anyone would say Mata is not an upgrade on Sig, Chad, Holtby, etc etc
chavli
I will ignore the other contenders and concentrate on Spurs. I agree with Cider in as much as we have not reached our "optimum level" as yet….. I can't recall us having one outstanding match this season, where, for the entire 90 mins we have dominated play and looked unstoppable. Or indeed, seen a match where all eleven players are at their best. Sherwood has only been in charge for 5 weeks and we have Won 5 and drawn 1, without playing great football. We have looked shaky at times in most of those games. Nevertheless, knowing that we have played with a weakened defence for most of the season and that 6 of our 7 summer signings have all had injuries and, all have taken time to settle, we find ourselves sharing 4th spot with a team that has been on fire. Our recent form must be doing some good for our team spirit and confidence. With this in mind and with key players returning, I can only see us improving with every game. If we can give City a run for their money next week and prove we have what it takes, then for me top 3 or 4 is possible. We'll see.
MAN ON!
Ossie ... can't fault your logical thinking about finishing 6th but we are in with a shout of 4th now. Seems a totally different team with TS Chavli ... I wouldn't like to see Holtby or Capoue sold. Loaned out maybe but rather keep them on the books. I think Holtby will really improve and become a fixture in out team, that's if he can adhere to Tim's discipline requirements. Same for Capoue too.
longtimespur
chavli....I do understand what you are saying regarding getting some "Real" talent in. trouble being, we have spent circa £30 million(inc. add ons) on Lamela and Eriksen is only now being given a run in preferred role. How can we spend money on these players and then bench them for another whom we may feel is better?. Let's not forget, Lamela came with a big reputation, same as Reus will. If we had played Lamela and Eriksen for a season or two, then yes i'm all for looking into signing another if they have been deemed a failure. Who's to say Reus or Bernard won't struggle like Lamela?. There are no guarantees, you can argue that they are quality, thing is, so is Lamela. I think you wishing to sign players mentioned is more out of a frustration at not as of yet seeing a continual return from the likes of Lamela and Eriksen. The only side to concentrate on IMPO is the Left. Maybe wrong to do Townsend a dis-service as he is himself has not featured much there. Reus or Bernard for a Left role, i'd happily go along with. That to me is i'd suggest an upgrade.
Cider spurs
Mata would be a first class signing for you but it wont happen, don't think you will spend that much (transfer fee and wages) and not sure, with all due respect, that he'd go to you.

Take 5 or 7 points from the next 3 games and I'd see you grabbing 4th, anything less will make it very tough.

Oh and I'll be cheering you lot on next week, feel all dirty saying that!

;-)

Galway Gooner
off topic but here's an interesting article from the Vital Everton site. The Football Association have fined Everton after finding them guilty of an unauthorised approach of a player. The fine of £45,000 along with a warning over future conduct follows a breach of the FA's Football Agent Regulations. The incident took place in 2010 when Everton made an unauthorised approach to Jamaal Lascelles who at the time was under a scholarship agreement at Nottingham Forest. Read more: http://www.everton.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=346498#ixzz2r7ozL54fite.
longtimespur
We are going to ***** up on goal difefrence, mark my words. Too many ifs to give damn just yet, If Suarez keeps fit, if RVP and WR return on fire, if Tim acn keeop up the momentum, if my aunty had balls she would be my uncle. far to early in the season for this kind of analysis.
johna
You are also looking at 2 strikers playing a lot of football over the next few months with Europa league and then another game on Sunday. The whole Sunday, Thursday, Sunday routine is a tough one to do and I'd be worried with Defoe going you have no real options to rotate or rest players. It's a big ask and Berbatov on loan or even a perm deal could well make the difference, appreciate he's lazy sometimes and didn't leave you on the best of terms but having him to play the odd league game could win you those few extra points.
Galway Gooner
Spurs-stelios - we haven't a hope of winning the champs league! While we are very good I think Munich are a level above us, they are miles ahead in their league and can afford to rest players every week.

Long as we don't have a complete melt down I don't mind bowing out to these guys, and naturally we avoid any injuries!

Galway Gooner
Cheers ox , really good article. I hate to say it but Chelsea for the league for me. City have a lot of tough games away from home. Arsenal have a very tough couple of months. Chelsea looking stronger every week. If arsenal lose a couple in feb, and the chasing pack keep winning they are only a couple of points off the top 4 chasers. We need a few scalps of the teams around us. Pool and toffees, we have a good shout in those games with the more positive tactics we are deploying, and with the injuries nearly back we will be stronger. Arsenal ya home, doable, Chelsea and city tough, but a point out of either would help massively. Just gotta keep beating the teams below us and 2 or 3 wins v the teams above or around us could well secure it for us. Arse will miss walnut, another injury and they could well fall back to us! Fingers crossed and enjoy the ride!
Dublin Hotspur
chavli, you seem to be missing one important factor, we are Spurs not City! To be honest with you I'm happy with our squad and I can't see reason for the wholesale changes that you desire, half way through the season. (More team adjustments and an even bigger selection headache for our Tim). We need to work on improving the already highly talented players we have. We're not doing too badly, after all. It's all about teamwork now, let's not upset the applecart.
MAN ON!
Dublin - very confident of beating us at WHL - considering we have the best away record in the league (and the best defence) and you lot have a very average home record. Draw or maybe a sneaky away win for me if had to call it at this stage but a lot can and will happen between now and then.

Theo is a miss but in fairness he's only started 6 or 7 league games for us this season and we've don't alright without him.

You are dreaming if you think Arsenal will get caught up in the top 4 race.

Galway Gooner
Don't you go anywhere near my applecart!....GET OFF MY LAND!!, GET OFF I TELL YA!!.
Cider spurs
Man on- wholesale changes? A few out a couple in..we all agree need a LB & Striker i'm just saying lets try upgrade our dross.
chavli
Don't shoot me, I'm a Spurs fan!
MAN ON!
chavli…..One man's dross is another mans favourite player…
MAN ON!
He he, it's all a laugh on here. I think we have a bright future currently, so it's all good. We all like different players but all agree we could do with another striker..it's hard though. Got to love the window though, gives people something to talk about..I really enjoy deadline day such a laugh watching sky sports news all day..just hope we get something done or I'll be disappointed!
chavli
All we can do is win our games, and let the others worry about us, rather than us getting an inferiority complex about the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd, I think Everton will hit a bad patch, every club does, and they haven't yet. Man Utd look set to spend in what is left of the window, with Mata looking a certainty, but is he going to settle immediately and bring about an instant transformation, I doubt it, and in any case they are 6 points adrift of us, which we should ensure is maintained, by winning at least as often as them. The main concern I have for us is up front, Adebayor is currently on fire, but will that last for another 16 games. Soldado is to be fair to the guy, and in all honesty, a waste of space from a scoring point of view, and should not be selected purely to justify his transfer fee. This leaves us with a choice between Kane, Chadli, and Lamela, not exactly likely to set the world on fire, or inspire extremes of confidence. The other thing that will possibly come back to bite us on the arse, as many of us said when "Lap Top man" was plying his negative sideways, backwards, slow slow quick slow slow tactics, resulting in either narrow wins, or horrendous defeats as against Man City, and Liverpool, which ruined our GD stats. In a tight league season GD is worth a point. In short I believe the 4th spot is likely to boil down to a "Gunfight at the OK coral" between us and Liverpool. They are almost totally dependent on Luis Suarez, both for his qualities as a goal scorer, and as a cheat able to con penalties. Surely either or both must dry up, if only temporarily, before the end of the season. COYS.
Frank
I don't see any of the players you mention as being dross……….
MAN ON!
Completely forgot about the Europe League TBH. I think that the need for another striker really boils down to the preferred system of TS. IF for the majority of fixtures he wants to play with 2 out and out strikers i.e. Adebayor & Soldado then we definitely need one. If he is going to opt for more of a 4-3-3 with one central striker and 2 attacking forwards we might be ok. We have an abundance of midfielders so that won’t be an issue. Assuming nobody leaves we still have sandro Pauninho Dembele Capoue Bentaleb Holtby all who could play in the central 3 with Lennon Townsend Eriksen Chadli Lamela who could play either side of a central striker

If we get anything out of the city game it’s a bonus. IMO to finish in the top 4 as well as beating the likes of Hull, Cardiff etc we cannot lose to Liverpool or Everton. A win should be the target BUT we cannot give them a 3 point boost. Really surprised at the lack of movement by anyone this window, then again its usually the case in January with the big teams, always leave it until the last minute. I imagine once one goes through the dominos will fall. As each day goes by I seriously doubt we will bring anyone in of any merit. Maybe just another youth player or something.
hudderspur
If it comes down to it, our final 6 games all look like 3 points. I'm hoping they'll be more than 4th riding on them anyway. Tim's doing a great job so far but I think he's benefiting from taking over at just the right time. All season long everyone has been saying that at some point "this Tottenham team will click".....I think it's clicked.
Himwhatwhats
Himwhatwhats.. What is a positive for me is that I don't think they have really clicked yet.
MAN ON!
Same here Man On, I dont believe we have clicked yet, just think we have changed the way we play, players are playing with more creative freedom.
Ossie
Same here Man On, I dont believe we have clicked yet, just think we have changed the way we play, players are playing with more creative freedom.
Ossie
With the the home turn already started, i'm thinking more and more that Lescott could be a massive help for us. If we can get the defence back looking mean with the chances we are creating the other end we should excel. At present i'd be all for getting Lescott in and playing him LB. the guy is still quick and strong. good defender to have to defend set pieces. yes we might lose Roses' attacking ability, but in all fairness at present are we really benefitting from great deliveries whippe in by Danny?, NO. I'd sooner have a meaner defence, at present Rose is not offering too much. Let's still play our current brand of football, but be a harder prospect to break down. Left side still seems to be exploited, Walker, Kaboul, Verts and Lescott looks tidy to me. Lescott obviously offering cover for CB. I feel signings like this could be the difference between top 4 and failure. Not a "Superstar" signing, but an old fashioned warrior still capable of putting in a performance, quick, strong, knows the prem, and has a World cup berth to aim towards for inspirational performances. If we stick with Rose, i fear for top 4. Not saying i want to completely go down the Redknapp and Ryan Nelson route, but i do feel Lescott still has alot to offer and would work his nuts off.
Cider spurs
hudderspur, I don't see us doing anything, Sherwood doesn't seem bothered and of course Levy would prefer not unless it means shifting one or two out. In all honesty I would rather we did nothing than bring a corrosive character, and proven idle lazy prat, like Berbatov back. He would succeed in reversing the change to slick, quick passing attacking football, that TS has resurrected at Spurs, with his "languid" style. After the bad taste he left with manner of his move to Man U, the only time he should be welcome back at WHL, is when he comes with an opposition club.
Frank
If Levy fancies Berbatov, i'll stick my neck out and say he'll be a Spurs player pre City game.
Cider spurs
I do still feel that Lescott is a good shout but will City want him to leave in this window? Rose has been getting in to good attacking positions recently but never puts in a good cross when under pressure. He also seems to have lost some confidence in his defending. I hope that when Vertongen returns that this will change. I believe he will strengthen the left side and be a big help for Rose.
MAN ON!
Every game are six points imo. Every game in the PL potentially can be a difficult one especially as the season progresses.

I personally think it will go down to the last game with probably two clubs fighting for it by then, the other two probably out of the run by a point or two, who that two clubs will be I honestly do not know.

Too many variables that can happen, injuries, suspensions, loss of form, gaining form, luck, bad luck and squad depth and so forth.

My reflection on the other teams, Liverpool great chance if they keep Saurez fit and firing on all cylinders, lose him then I think their chances decrease considerably. Utd, at present probably not but history teaches us that they are not out of it, we were 13 points better of than Arsenal and look what happened. Personally I think if Utd get Rooney and RVP back on the field and playing well soon and for the rest of the season, and if they bring in a couple of good signings then they are still in it imo.

Everton, I think are less likely to be in it at the end of the season, I think they may hit a dodgy patch and I am not sure they will recover so much having said that wit Martinez in charge I just don't know, may be they will, but history tells us they often fall away at the last hurdle but that doesn't mean they will this season.

That leaves us, and in all honesty I have no idea. I don't know how Tim will fair against the teams mentioned in the article in the second half of the season. WE haven't seen enough of him yet and we haven't seen how he will respond if we lose a game in the PL. What we have seen is us lose to Arsenal in the cup and draw with Utd although I thought we were lucky towards the end of the game and Utd were on a bad run themselves. Tim is an unknown quantity at the moment, so we just don't know. However, I think having a big squad will aid us as we struggled with fatigue and niggly injuries in the past, often dropping form around this time. I think our concerns have been discussed so many times, LB, CB and possibly striker and keeping everyone happy and motivated if they don't feature, because we need to do that if we are in need of calling upon these players.

My heat will always say us for top four but my brain always says, No we will just not make it again, I hope for once my heart wins this time round.
WorldPeace
On the run in I do not want us bogged down with the Europa Cup.Also there is the problem that as the season wears on teams in the bottom half of the Premier league with their smaller squads and less talented players become pathetic and less capable of beating a top six team.This may help in our games but makes it difficult for us to shake off Liverpool and Everton.My point is we cannot rely on much assistance from others, we will need to win consistently
cynicspur
hudderspur-agree, well written comments.

Especially agree your comments on striker issue, depends on formation. I also think how much a a good striker would come to us knowing that Ade is first choice and Soldado cost so much and will probably be seen as second choice, who will come.
WorldPeace
Without showing any grudge or spite toward Berbatov, I genuinely feel he would get in the way. Look at how hard Ade works by comparison to Dimitar, even when in his prime. We need that verve and energy in all of our team. They are mostly young, talented and energetic players. They don't need a fading has-been to dim their light. They need to shine. This will come from hard work and Berba is hardly an inspiration, or a good example of it.
MAN ON!
Because of the ridiculous heavy beatings we took under the stewardship of AVB, we will have to finish at least 1 point better off than Liverpool, United and Everton to take 4th place. Our poor goal difference effectively gives us a 1 point handicap. Can we do it? Of course we can but it will need us to be extremely consistent from now to the end of the season and we have to hope that all of our squad remains fit and motivated until end of May. We've had a lot of injuries and the AVB debale to navigate so far this season and, having done so, we are still right in the mix for 4th place. Could Liverpool, United or Everton maintain a challenge with injuries to 7 or 8 key first-team regulars. Not unless they do a lot of business in the next 9 days. If we stay fit and healthy we will be there or thereabouts come end of May.
SpuriousLife
SpuriousLife…. It's our lack of goals as much as those two heavy defeats that has affected our goal difference so drastically. We have only conceded 1 more than City.
MAN ON!
It would be an easy one to explain to Adebayor. "look ade, Defoe is leaving end of feb. I will only have you and Soldado as out and out Strikers and Soldado cant hold the ball and link play like you can so were signing Berbatov to cover you if you get injured but your still my main man".
spurs-stelios
its possible certainly but i like to see what happens in the next 3 fixtures,
ghulamville
other than the 11 goals conceded to City and Liverpool we have only conceded another 15 goals in the other 20 games.
spurs-stelios
if i were a betting man my money would still go on the bindippers.suaez/sturridge partnership can get goals out of nowhere
ghulamville
spurs-stelios, as Mourinho said after our City defeat; it's better to loose one game by 6, than loose 6 games by 1.
MAN ON!
Still seeing links with Guarin, he's a handy player. It's so exciting! I feel we have a great chance if we don't lose against city..not only of top 4 but higher. TS seems to have the knack and confidence of the players..a little bit of strengthening and anything is possible!!
chavli
Plus Verts mate Alderwield is unhappy at Athletico Madrid..he might be worth a pop..only cheap..we need another CB with Kaboul's injuries and Dawson still being slow and dodgy..
chavli
It could be good to get the two belgian cb's playing together -played together at Ajax and for country..would know eachothrs games etc. plus as many say on here we still have europa league and then next season 4 competitions again so will need the numbers!
chavli
Has Dawson not played in our last 6 matches? Is he really as bad as some make out? Personally, I don't think he is.
MAN ON!
Worldpeace – Honestly id go for Gomis at Lyon as he only cot us the £1m Agents fee and would probably accept a 3 year deal on around £50k p/w as the average wage in France isn’t massive (in football terms of course). I know many people don’t rate him but tall, powerful, not exactly a slouch, we could keep the same system if Adebayor hits a blip or gets injured. With Just Soldado we need to change the system. A draw back would be that we would still have the predicament in the EL as he’s cup tied but for £1m I can’t see the draw back. £25m on Lamela and £26m for Soldado were by far a bigger risk than paying £1m for player who may turn out to be…..well not all that cracking, and its also a lot less riskier than paying say £6-7m for a young unproven striker on a 5 year deal who could end up being a flop.
hudderspur
He's not that bad but those pushes on Bony, and his slowness / high mistake levels make him a liability IMO
chavli
Okay, I take that on board chavli, but there's not one defender in the PL that doesn't make mistakes. Does he make more than most? I don't think so…….
MAN ON!
MAN ON!..Daws, Bad?, no. Top bloke?, i'd suggest. Top defender?. Not the worst, not the best. Do i believe a fit Kaboom better, yep, and Verts?, yep. Do i think Vlad will reach a higher level skill wise than Daws?, yep. Daws is a valuable squad player, again through injuries he is most probably playing more games than someone of his standard IMO ought to. Love the guys commitment and the fact that he takes time for ALL the players concerned with Spurs, young and old. I just find his reading of the game all too slow and his spped likewise. Sorry.
Cider spurs
Not read all the posts so sorry if already said but I see it more of a 5 horse race for 2 places. Yes currently Arsenal, Chelsea and City all look really strong and any one of them can realistically win it, but history says 1 of the 3 will fall away and drop down to either 4th or 5th, you just don't know who it will be.

In saying that the amount they drop off won't be as steep as previous years, the season started easy with Utd, Chavs, City and us all dropping points but now everyone keeps winning and I see it continuing that way until the end of the year. Need 7 points from City, Hull and Everton, can't drop points against bottom half, must beat other top seven clubs.
T.H.F.Chris
*speed*
Cider spurs
I'm not saying that Daws is the best. But players like him should never be underestimated and for those very same reasons that you point out Cider. Kaboul would be my first choice every time.
MAN ON!
we can make it...its up to determination and grit
rovinella62spurs
T.H.F...If we get 7 points from City, 7 from Hull and 7 from Everton. Heck we might just win the league. ;-)
Cider spurs
MAN ON!..So true, it's easy to question Daws ability, but for all we know he might be the glue in the dressing room that is bonding this team together. Ask the youngsters what they think about the fact he'll turn up in person and watch their games. A balanced viewpoint is the least our club captain deserves.
Cider spurs
Anyway, i see the links to Spurs interested in Mata are now appearing. Sports direct news had a view that i just could not help myself responding to.
Cider spurs
Nobody is questioning Dawson's ability just merely stating he could be upgraded :-) For sure he is spurs through and through and is 100% committed - seems like a top bloke.
chavli
MAN ON! is that because we've ditched the highline? Dawson looks far more composed (same as John Terry) when they don't push too far up. COYS!
James1
We could have done with Mata a couple of seasons ago but I think that ship has sailed and he's not needed. Great player though...
MAN ON!
James1, could be.
MAN ON!
still a long way to go...people talk about squad depth but our lack of Lb has already cost us this season and looks like we're shipping people out rather than strengthen during the window...keep our players (after-all it must be down to baldini not Tim otherwise what's the point of his salary?) add a decent LB...if a class forward becomes available go for it. But we've done our dough...we'll not be spending any new money so keep your hopes below 12m plus any other players we sell...
shedboy2
Costa for left back and throw in townsend Shed? kill the threee big birds you have with one might big stone?
tophobunty1882
If it was a choice between striker, midfielder or left back it would be LB. We know Vert can cover there but we need him as CB. Rose could be a good LB but it would help his progress enourmously if he could learn from an experienced LB imo. COYS!
James1
if anyone would consider signing Gomis then do the deal with Stoke to loan Holtby and get Kenwyne Jones coming in the other direction on loan until the end of the season.
tophobunty1882
Kenwyne Jones are you serious wtf!
chavli
How many games have you seen Gomis play well in the prem Chavli and how many have you seen Jones play well in the prem Chavli. Than ask yourself do you think is the better play Jones or Harry Kane?
tophobunty1882
I think Stoke may need him a lot more than we do……..
MAN ON!
Have to agreed Topho, Gomis is as bad a shout as Jones!!!
Ossie
tops- I merely point out where I think we're weak...andros only became an issue because people were moaning we couldn't score yet still posting up the worst forward in Europe (at the time) in their team sheets...you couldn't make it up. Rose is again over-rated and became so much better the longer he didn't play...he's the same age as Walker but miles behind him....what was the third bird? Diego costa?...I'm afraid that was off the moment we put 10m too much on the table for Soldado...we'll now have to recycle the cash to spend again...not so easy when we paid ott for players in the first place...
shedboy2
Ossie / Topho – Why do you think Gomis would be a bad shout? For the £1m we could get him for I just down see much of a downside. Im not comparing him with Benteke or Lukaku im just saying for a cheap option he’s worth a punt. I think the comparison with Jones isn’t really accurate. Gomis is a lot more direct in his play (from the little ive seen). Gomis has played at the top level in France, in the Champions league or at very least Europa league football for a number of seasons. Jones is Yet to score in the premiership this year

You can’t always just assume that players from abroad wont adapt etc. Look at Cisse, joined Newcastle mid-season and went on to score a bucket load from then until the end of the season. Fair enough he’s done nothing since but if Gomis had the same impact, for £1m he’s worth half a season! I can just imagine he ends up going to Southampton or somewhere and suddenly becomes worth £20m after a good half season! We need to gamble on some if these players sometimes IMO.
hudderspur
Shedboy who is the worst forward in Europe?
Ossie
Like what THFChris said, one of the current top 3 is likely to get caught up. Still a long way to go... at least more ppl are recognising how the cups can really stretch squads now. I was going on about that months ago! :) At the beginning of the season, going purely on squads, I thought it would be 1.City 2.Chelsea 3.Spurs 4.Man U 5.Arsenal... Anyone I told wasn't having any of it... United 4th, no chance! But if it was tough to call at the beginning it's just as tough now... City have the best squad but are still in all competitions. Chelsea 2nd strongest squad but not the best central midfield. Arsenal could carry on doing well in the league if they get knocked out of the CL (!!) Liverpool overly reliant on Suarez. Everton, like Martinez but not the best squad depth, if they do well in the FA Cup they'll suffer in the league. And us, seriously strong squad but we have a couple weak links: Overly reliant on Ade and Rose. So to summarise, impossible to call! But progression in the cups will have a big say. Whatever happens it's going to be one hell of a ride :)
ledders77
We could be doing what Arsenal have done to us for the last few seasons. Starting really badly looking *****e for most the season getting knocked out of all the cups then going on an amazing run at the end and finishing above your rivals.
Rapm
ossie- I don't know, who is ?
shedboy2
We shouldn't forget the lower placed teams in all of this. There is only 6 points separating Villa at 10th and Cardiff at the bottom. This means there are still 10 teams fighting for PL survival. There will be tough games ahead for every team, from top to bottom.
MAN ON!
Gomis? really..I can see the comparison with Jones....why waste 1m on a player who really couldn't care less? we need a bit of spark and desire about any new forward we bring in...how much for Max Kruse? haven't seen Doumbia's name for a while...
shedboy2
Cider Spurs Bit off topic mate but on the striker thread ox submitted you mentioned Jurgen Locadia and can't remember who mentioned him, well my son that would be yours truly. I mentioned him in an article i submitted and i'm glad you scouted his potential. Something about this kid i really like, i like Kane but i would swap those 2 in a heartbeat.
spurfect one
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...o-join-toronto-fc-next-month/article16278360/

Article about the Defoe transfer. 2nd last paragraph mentions that MLSE have offered to help with our new stadium.

Let the speculation begin.
coopsieyid
exactly Ossie, why did i know you might be the only person to understand. If we are going to punt on one unproven lump upfront you might as well at least go for a lump who has at the very least proven when he can be bothered he can produce and at the same time give Holtby first team football in the prem to increase his value at the very least.
tophobunty1882
Shed – how do you know he wouldn’t care less?? Doumbia is injured at the moment no return date. Looking at his stats he seems to spend more time in the treatment room than on the pitch! Shame as he is a quality player….when fit.
hudderspur
"MLSE is huge, but it would be very interesting to see them venture outside of Toronto. They seem to have built everything with the same contractors, PCL. Here is a look at their projects. I am wondering if this is where the "help" would come from.

http://www.pcl.com/Projects-that-Inspire/Pages/Project-Search.aspx

Sorry I can't make an article, anybody wishing to take this info & construct one, please do. It's just not possible for me right now.
coopsieyid
spurs-stelios-ok Ade may be fine with those words but will Berby. No way will Berby move to a club not to play imo.

MAN ON - I agree, I rate Dawson, yes he has his weaknesses and went through a torrid time, but he bounces back and without him in the back line we are not as good, a bit like Lennon, when he doesn't play we are not as good even though he has his weaknesses. Sometimes it is about other things these type of players bring, I have said it all the time, Vlad and Vertonghen are not good enough for the CB PL 'together' not yet, we need Dawson or Kaboul and at the moment kaboul's game is not great as he hasn't got back to fitness. Partnerships are the key imo, not always the best players fit together. I wouldn't want to lose Dawson yet, yes we need some one else to take over whether that be a Kaboul or someone else but not Vlad, he is not strong in enough neither is Vertonghen, they are similar players we will need a different type of player next to them, a strong physical player with a bit more pace than Dawson, but for now he is needed imo.
WorldPeace
The contract is meant to go out soon for tender. McLaren joint with FCC are favourites to win it.

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2013/09/18/mclaren-and-fcc-plan-400m-spurs-stadium-bid/

I'd think the help might be more with financing, whether that is naming rights or introducing. We have the merchandising as part of the Defoe deal. Although it could simply be advice, but I'd have thought Enic would have enough experience themselves on construction projects.

All speculation, we'll have to wait and see.

http://www.minutes.haringey.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=217&MId=6278

Meeting on 20th January, of Harringay Council 'Northumberland Park & White Hart Lane Area Forum and Committee'

All about the areas around the stadium - but IMO there are likely to be interesting snippets concerning the Stadium Approach, transport enhancements and other stuff. Not sure we'll get much more on the stadium itself - unless it slips out by accident !
coopsieyid
Hudd I see where you are coming from ref Gomis and 1 million and if we could get him for than then yes I can see the sense. Whenever I have seen him though he has been poor, admittedly this has only been 4-5 European games. 50/50 for me.
tophobunty1882
tophobunty1882, I understand what you're saying but there's a huge flaw in it. K Jones has never produced very much in all his years in the PL. We do not need another striker who hardly ever scores.
MAN ON!
i know shed it was a joke, i thought a good one....I agree with you ref left back, its been a saga since the second world war I think. and of course the forward situation is still not resolved and worsened by the sale of Defoe, as things are if Ade gets injured it's hard to see how we can function going forward...only 10 mill too much for Soldado?
tophobunty1882
And these, before I have to go again.......

Who: atlanta yid
Where: ????
When: 17/01/14

Just a little info - As I said before AVB got the boot things at WHL are not good. Things are not getting any better we have a number of senior players that are not happy we the way things are shaping up at the club..................

Who: Ali Z
Where: ????
When: 17/01/14

Ok as it stands we are looking to move on Holtby, Capoue if Napoli pay what we want, Chadli will most likely stay no firm interest. A lot of senior players not happy as Atlanta said, guess by today's press conference you can see why.
If Tim stays in summer Baldini goes, very different views, Lamela is fit hence no urgent search for a striker but they are looking. Incomings on Radar English number 2 keeper, old English LB and CH, though this may change if Baldini can influence matters. We need more over 21 home grown players....................

Who: The Goat
When: 18th January
Where: ????

The Goat is hearing that Mark Hughes has taken a keen interest in borrowing Lewis Holtby...................

Who: JJetset
When: 21st January
Where: ????

Not much happening people.
Franco is looking at a few options as he always is but if you've seen any of Tim's press conferences he has told the truth about lack of incoming players and getting injured players back being like new signings.
If I was ITK i would tell you about a few options but as i dont do that any-more i wont, enjoy the window xx
coopsieyid
50/50 for me really Topho. Not seen enough of him to make an accurate assessment but just going off his "CV" shall we say. £1m doesn't seem like a massive risk for what could be a big reward. Even if he directly (by that I mean won us a game) got us 4-5 points that could be worth circa £7m per point!
hudderspur
Mata can play on left wing and leave the space behind Adebayor for Eriksen.He definitely would be one heck of a dream signing!!hmmm dream.......Way better than playing siggi or chadli on left
SilwalYid
Manon thats not the point i was making ref Jones, I dont wasnt us to buy Kenwyn Jones. let's move on ManOn. at least this one wouldn't cost 26 million i guess.....NO MORE BALDINI SIGNIGS PLEASE........Hudd yes I do see where you are coming from at 1 mill. I guess the question is who else could we get for that sort of money who could offer more and is proven in the prem. But again I see the sense in considering it.
tophobunty1882
Mata's on his way to Utd for £35-40mil, them kinda fees we can't complete with.
Ossie
But I would love Baldini to use his contacts to get Pjanic from Roma (in the summer), now thats a player.
Ossie
Going back to Gomis, he's reaching the end of his contract, so to prize him away I would assume we would have to make him give him a good wage, then when he's flop, cos of what Ive seen of him, he really aint that good, we may have trouble offloading him. I would rather we loaned a striker, and look at the situation in the summer.
Ossie
I can't be arsed trying to guess how how rivals will perform for the rest of the season. Looking at our own fixtures I think that we will exceed the 72 points gained last year. If we do and come 5th or less I shan't complain. I'd be really gutted if we miss out on GD after the start that faker AVB gave us. That is not a mis-spelling.
Love totty
spurfect one....Thanks mate. If anybody takes the time to put any info up, or mentions a player unknown to myself, i do try and find a bit of background info. Some may think sad, me, i just like my football.
Coops...How's it going mate?, long time no hear.""senior players not happy as Atlanta said, guess by today's press conference you can see why". Any thoughts on this mate?, What press conference and why unhappiness?. i know you are only passing info on in good faith, but if you are able to enlighten me somewhat i would appreciate it me old mucca'. Anyway, c'mon let's get another Nonsense article written and submitted, loads of people are eagerly awaiting, and for those that are not....Plenty in the archives to keep themselves amused. ;-)
Cider spurs
Well don't know what happened there!, Suppose my name's at the bottom of the post so i stand guilty as charged m'lord.
Cider spurs
Only used my normal paragraph
twice no gaps.
Cider spurs
Fixed?
spurfect one
Cider, same thing happened to me, i swear the html has a mind of it's own on vital, must be all the negativity on here, we are cursed lol ;)
spurfect one
Cider - Hi pal. That info from Atlanta about the press conference is in relation to Sherwood confirming in that conference that he wants to sell unwanted players. I've found bits of the conference, his quotes seem confusing & somewhat contradicting, to me?

Sherwood insisted he had heard “nothing concrete” regarding the future of Capoue – who has been heavily linked with Napoli – or any other player but hinted he did not trust the midfielder as much as other members of his squad.

Declaring he was “absolutely” prepared to lose players this month, he said: “As long as they’re the right players and the ones that I don’t want to take us forwards then I’m happy. You can only go with a certain amount of players.

“But we certainly won’t be leaving ourselves short. If no one left, I wouldn’t be shedding any tears over that either.”

Sherwood highlighted midfield as one area where Tottenham had plenty of cover, saying: “I’ve got a certain amount of trust in other players before some others, but the longer I’m with them on the training field, the more I’m getting to know them and the more I’m getting attached to some of the new players as well.

He added: “All I can say with regards to Etienne Capoue is that he’s never caused me a minute’s problem here. We have a good relationship. He realises that I’ve used Nabil Bentaleb in front of him – not only him but Lewis Holtby and a few other players in the midfield area – because I knew the young boy and I trusted him.

“Etienne has played, he played at Old Trafford, and he’s been asked to play in reserve games to keep up his fitness, along with other players.

“The fact is I’m still getting to know some of these new players and I know the other ones better.”
coopsieyid
Links: http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1684197?cc=5739

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/10579802/Tottenham-manager-Tim-Sherwood-happy-to-sell-players-in-January-window-as-club-attempt-to-reduce-wage-bill.html

“Sometimes, supply and demand is an issue. Especially with SOME OF THE GUYS I AM STILL GETTING TO KNOW. I have a certain amount of trust in some players more than others, BUT THE LONGER I AM ON THE TRAINING GROUND, THE MORE I GET ATTACHED TO THE NEW PLAYERS ASWELL”.......

I think life is trying to tell you something, Tim!!
coopsieyid
Sherwood confirmed he is leaving incoming transfer business to sporting director Franco Baldini, as he again insisted he was not interesting in signing a striker to replace the imminently departing Jermain Defoe.

“We have enough attacking options here and it is their opportunity to move forward now and this week, it feels like we had four or five new signings, with players coming back,” he added. “Not many clubs spent the money we did and signed seven players in the summer, so we are not actively looking to sign anyone.

“I fully trust the squad we have got to be very competitive between now and the end of the season. If we prepare well, we should beat most teams in this division.”
coopsieyid
“There’s no movement as far as I’m concerned,” said the head coach. “I think Franco might be working in the background regarding a lot of transfers...I’ve had discussions [with Baldini], yes"
coopsieyid
This could be worrying....

someone: "I suspect those who are unhappy are those who will be sold."

ali z: "No."
coopsieyid
Jacob ‏@Jacob_ITK 11m - Even I didn't expect him to announce it in public. What man management!.............

Jacob is actually a respected ITK. To clarify, his last tweets were about Sherwood wanting to shift Capoue, Lamela and Holtby and indicated that he (Sherwood) had a bit of an ego thing going on....
coopsieyid
From the way AtlantaYid said about a return to mid table mediocrity, I take it to mean the better players ie Lloris, Vertonghen, Sandro et al weren't happy. If they're not happy, I'm not happy!!
coopsieyid
Coops....cheers mate. I have read these comments, i just was not sure if another meet and greet journo type thing had happened. Well, i suppose it boils down to trying to keep the whole squad happy. If he has to cull, let's hope he picks the right players to axe. I am still of the thinking Capoue is a damn fine player and is needed. Still, Sherwoods the manager, his call. Thank you for the quick response anyway mate, and hope to see you back on here a little more maybe in the near future?. ;-)...spurfect...Thank's for fixing my unexplainable cock-up. Pretty sure i didn't do anything different from normal.
Cider spurs
From what I can hear from Tim is he is happy either way, if we sell some players or not, as long as they are not the ones that he wants to keep to take us forward. I would imagine he has told Levy and Baldini which players he wants to stay and at no cost do they leave and the rest he will leave up to Levy, Baldini and the players and their agents. Nothing wrong in that as a rule as that is how we work, especially with Baldini now in place and evy out to make money, my only concern is what I have previously said, is Tim experienced enough to say which players will take us forward? .

Think of it this way, by his own admission he said his appointment was a gamble, due to his lack of experience so doesn't that say he is not experienced enough to make such calls regarding players, this is why I said we should sell no one, loan fine. Secondly, by his own admission he is saying he doesn't know some of the players so he doesn't trust them as much, well then doesn't that also say he is not in a position to be making such decisions regarding what players stay or leave.

Finally, should Levy or Baldini be making those decisions, these players haven't had the best of starts, they should stay until at least summer imo unless they go out on loan.
WorldPeace
AS for players being upset, I can fully understand that. They came to play under AVB, some players are being over looked because our rookie manager doesn't know them and doesn't trust them, what an insult imo. What has Tim being doing all season, did he not watch our first team games then. These are international players of a club he worked for and surely he has seen them, personally I think it sounds like a shambles and these players are bound to be upset, especially as they are not even getting played in a WC year and they have a rookie telling them that they cannot be trusted. Hmm - I don't think this unease will go away unless we get CL, good luck Tim.
WorldPeace
coops....Glad you bought that point up. I have had a feeling for a while now that something seems a miss with the team. I may be way off the mark, just a feeling. At first i thought it was an AVB thing, but part of me thinks some major revelations are just around the corner. There just seems to be so many questions and so little info coming out of the club.
Cider spurs
Cider - Paste this link into your browser, then scroll down. You'll see the full conference (from Friday) in amongst the other conferences.

http://addictedtospurs.co.uk/?page_id=14

It says "Sherwood ready to trim Tottenham squad" on the clip.
coopsieyid
Thanks for the info coopsieyid. Personally I can't find anything wrong in what Tim has said. It all seems perfectly logical to me.
MAN ON!
Of course Tim has a ego thing going on, you cannot come out and say you trust a 19 yr old over international players and not expect to get some upset. Neither can you expect these international lads play under a rookie, they didn't sign up for it. The players want to know that they are taking orders from someone they respect that has achieve, they obviously thought AVB had done enough at porto to prove to them that they would like to play under him, but Tim as a manager has no experience and then he goes round he open about players can leave, that really makes them feel wanted.

In my experience of life, I have found that it takes one hell of a humble person to NOT let fame, money or position go to their head especially when it comes quickly and unexpectedly. I ask this question, does Tim speak like a humble person, if the answer is Yes then he may well handle his ego, if the answer is no he doesn't then he will not handle his ego and it will get the better of him. It's how we work, as humans, it's how evolved we are, whether we have huge ego's or little ego's and for some people, no ego, the enlightened ones - bliss.
WorldPeace
MAN ON - it's not what you say it is often how you say it.
WorldPeace
And if you do watch the clip of the conference, listen out for his "I won't shed any tears" remark, when asked about certain players leaving. Odd choice of words from a professional, no? I'm sure it'll be excellent for squad morale!! And before anyone insinuates it, I'm not slagging Sherwood off, not even close to it in fact.
coopsieyid
….. Or should I call you coopsieYword?
MAN ON!
WorldPeace…. True.
MAN ON!
Just rewound that clip & listened again, I misheard him. "If no-one left I wouldn't be shedding any tears over that either.".... Massively different to what I posted. Sorry, Tim.
coopsieyid
coops...I'm going to have a squizz at it as of now. catch you in a bit if you are still posting. Thank you!.
Cider spurs
Cider something was amiss it is being slowly corrected by Sherwood. I cant see this being a quick fix but we are clearly on the right course. Headless chicken buying in august should never be repeated. I for one wouldn't let Baldini spend another pound of our money.
tophobunty1882
Tell us news not give us a boring history lesson man.Damn that`s prehistoric business,dinosaur days.
Fanny adams
tophobunty1882 When you think about it,are the summers transfers not getting better & better?
Paulinho,Eriksen & Cheriches looking the real deal.Best from Soldado & Lamela surely to come?
Capoue is getting sold but not for football reasons,he`s a good player imo.
Biggest flop is Chadlii,he`ll never make it but i wouldn`t write off Soldado or Lamela just yet.Especially after Modric was so pants in his first season.
I like Soldado & giving him the benefit of the doubt(just my opinion)
Fanny adams
Opinions is what it's all about………….
MAN ON!
From 4.40pm on Sunday afternoon

Who: Jacob
"Lamela is fully fit for those wondering."......

then there was this 15 minutes later......

Who: Breezer
"He's been brilliant in training. Amazed a few people with his skill and ability. Unfortunately it's not happened for him on match day.".......
coopsieyid
Tophobunty, maybe "The Headless chicken buying in August" will prove to be a success in the future, way too early to judge now imo. If we get top four then it was worth it, if we fall short then rightly questions should be asked. What is clear is the man intrusted to handle "The Headless Chicken buys" was not up to the job (Even if i was pi$$ed at levy for sacking him at the time).
spurfect one
This was EXCELLENT, In regards to the talk of Holtby leaving, interesting response to Sunday's chants:

" BIG BIG Thank you!!! To all Spurs fans in the away end... Had goosebumps, thank you for your believe. Feel very grateful to get such a response!!! It helps me very much in times like these.. I love football and can't wait to be back on the pitch! Have a great Sunday...

FYI in response to chants of 'we want you to stay, Lewis Holtby, we want you to stay.'
coopsieyid
That's good to hear…. I'm sure Lamela's day will come sooner rather than later.
MAN ON!
Wouldn't suprise me if we see lamela in Europa to get him a few games first although I wouldn't mind seeing him against City as a shock appearance, with Eriksen to the left of him and lennon to the right and Ade up top, drop Chadli. Take the game to City and see what the lad can do, no better stage.
WorldPeace
WorldPeace, I agree. Take the game to City and do our best to take some sweet revenge.
MAN ON!
Fanny, when you club had a record transfer fee of 15 million at the start of a window and then during that window it spent 26 and a deal value of 30 on two players. i has struggled to produce anything like what he has in spain and will be 29 next season, the other cant get a kick at 30 mill, thats awful business in by book. Chadli looked a bad buy at the time to me and looks worse now, i just couldnt see the sense of buying him then and for all those same reasons after seeing him meander around for months i cant now. Eriksen and Cheriches to me were always going to be good, Paulinho i wasnt sure because we needed an eriksen type before i thought, but paulinho does look very good, i am not sure he is at all committed to us and i could see him leave in the summer. capoue came out of the blue for all, but he has looked very decent. in general 4 are improving 3 are not or 63 mill isnt the balance is. i would get shot of baldini
tophobunty1882
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/9124730/premier-league-louis-van-gaal-approached-over-tottenham-job
coopsieyid
Hey coops. Cheers for all that good info. All seems a bit unsettling vs the article it's posted on. I hope all is ok with you and yours mate! Mean that!
Dublin Hotspur
"contact just texted me to say he's just spoken to Lamela. He wants to go back to Italy being a World Cup year. Juventus, Napoli and Roma all interested but Levy is blocking a move. He speaks no English but he had an interpreter. He's still looking for houses here but it doesn't look good."........
coopsieyid
Louis Van Gaal will be our manager in the summer
WorldPeace
Well i watched the video coops. Pretty standard run of the mill spiel IMO, the one point where he could have seemed to be a little more diplomatic was when he said he was happy if some left, maybe he could have phreased it a little better, maybe a "I'll be sad to see a few go, but in a World cup year i fully understand that players wish to play. Using his "happy" term could give the impression he don't give a feck. I'm sure he does not mean this, but at this level the media love to put a spin on anything that can be misconstrued.
Cider spurs
Seriously, seeing as he's a fully employed club ambassador, WHY wasn't Ardiles brought in to help Lamela settle?
coopsieyid
I too have read that Juventus are serious about trying to nab Lamela. My question being then. If we could get back circa £22 million for Lamela this window, would/should we sell. Does anybody think we should?.
Cider spurs
I think the worse buys have been Chadli and Soldado. capoue looks as though he could be a very good PL DM and Lamela well we just haven't seen him. Vlad will get better and be good back up for Verts and Eriksen can become our modric in a couple of seasons. Paulinho, looks decent but still needs to get used to the pace of the PL. My main concern is Soldado, a hell of a lot of money, I remember Big C bigging him up, where is Big C these days.
WorldPeace
Oops!..just remembered i've got to nip out for 20 mins. if anybody feels the need to respond to my question or ridicule the thought, i'll get back to you shortly. ciao!
Cider spurs
I don't think we should sell Lamela. Not before he has had a decent run out…….
MAN ON!
spurfect if we get top 4 and three of them contributed little or nothing then 3 of them were worthless. ..
tophobunty1882
cider - tough call. I personally want to see him, I think he has flair and could be a very decent player but on the other hand if the lad isn't going to play then apart form him being upset his value may drop and then if he doesn't work out we could be left with another expensive flop.

I still say the same thing, we should not sell any one, Tim is not experienced enough to make those calls and he should prove himself first. What happens if we sell two or three players and we end up finishing sixth or seventh, Tim sacked and then another manger comes in and we can't attract players becuase once again we are not in the CL and those players go on to be very good players.

I wish the window would sut and no one leaves unless on loan.
WorldPeace
It"s good to see that both Jan and Paulinho are back in training……...
MAN ON!
just read back up this thread, corrrrrrrr we got a right old sherwood fest going building on here in the bottom half, this place is unbelievable at times.
tophobunty1882
This was one of the problems I was worried about when TS was installed. Not sure how the international players in the squad would react. Hopefully it sorts itself out without too much damage to our squad.
longtimespur
Worldpeace do you mean the players who have not played very well when given the chance. if yes i would take a different approach and tell them to play better or saddle up and feck off. and this unease is always there, because we are a nearly club in today's game dominated by CL. it would be helped if you don't buy a lorry load of players to do a similar job when for instance you still only have one half decent left back...ie the headless chicken reference earlier.
tophobunty1882
WP BIGC is here now in Fanny, ask him yourself?..... Cider 22 million pounds yes, euro no..........
tophobunty1882
longtime the ones who are playing will swallow the ones who are not will spit....they are all greedy bleedin whinging footballers....and there's a world cup in BRAZIL once in a life time.
tophobunty1882
coospie that stuff about Lamela was in the national press today, perhaps these contacts of friends and reading the sun and mirror in cafe's with their full english?
tophobunty1882
WP .... my thoughts exactly regarding players being sold. Who's to say TS will still be manager at the start of next season. LVG has been mooted as replacement come the end of the WC.
longtimespur
Cider we must keep Lamela. The boy needs a run of games to get his confidence. He'll come good. COYS!
James1
ps worldpeace are you suggesting those players came to play here because they wanted to play for AVB? that guy who got sacked by Chelsea? read like that, did i read the incorrectly?.....WP Sherwood is quite humble, reliable, stable and trustworthy in real life. He also is very strong willed.
tophobunty1882
For the record. I am happy with lamela and believe we will see the best out of him in a Spurs shirt. If he really wants out, i would not want a player staying against his wishes, take the money, hello Reus.
Cider spurs
Anyway, gonna go and watch Hernandez (STARTS FOR UTD). Just to prove myself right on how good he is. ;-)
Cider spurs
A lot if the sherwood/players being unhappy etc is old news....how he settles it all down, how Baldini goes forward, who stays and who goes?..will see if we compete or implode...interesting times...Lamela- no way should we sell...yep that club Juve are real mugs they'll take a flop...;) Play him free off the striker him and eriksen swapping the left...tops- fair play, you got me...;)
shedboy2
surely it has to be Baldini's call who is sold and who is bought...Tim will be advised but as the Coach he just has to get on and coach/get the best out of the players he's given doesn't he?
shedboy2
I remember, unfortunatelçy, that two seasons ago, 3rd placed Spurs were 11pts clear of 4th placed Arsenal in mid-february just to watch the positions to be inverted. We are talking about Chelsea (3rd) only 6pts clear of Spurs and Liverpool (joint 4th) in late january as a finished product. It does not make sense to me. Too much water to run yet. The only "near" certainty I dare to say I see is Manchester City to win the League (but to lose next match). COYS !!!
AlexSpur
WP who knows who will be manager next season, LVG (is that a VAN? or some sort of fuel) well anyway, the media are reporting he was offered the job, i guess it might be true, he could peg it before the summer of united could sack moyes, wenger leave arsenal and he could go there? sherwood might get 4th for us and that might come into play, if he gets 8th he;s better than the last guy. who knows, what we know now is we are playing much better than we were and results are much better. that run is likely to end next wednesday and we will need to take stock and come again..............
tophobunty1882
Shed i think we should say goodbye to Baldini. If Sherwood stay at the end of the season her goes, if Van Gaal comes Balidini goes.
tophobunty1882
tops- I agree baldini could go and we wouldn't know the difference..I just don't think the whole DoF thing works for us....imo Levy is too much of a control freak and lacks the ability to delegate making the DoF a lame duck....I don't agree that 8th is better than AVB...taking an arbitrary position when a manager leaves and saying anything else is better is too simplistic...anything better than 5th is better than AVB in league position...but there are more factors in TS being better than just league position...after all AVB had the best win % and Arry got us 4th twice and CL...yet they were sacked...
shedboy2
Cider you can watch a long time because he aint. he is a very good finisher full stop, very little for the tea, very limited at the top level
tophobunty1882
Shed, Levy is too strong a negotiator to allow anyone else to do that part sensibly, take that away and you have a vacancy for a good scout. Si I agree the DOF as currently set up with the people involved must struggle. I think 8th is better than 9th. Comparing this season with last is not fair as the top last season was weaker than this by far to this stage of the season and beyond no doubt..
tophobunty1882
8th is of course better than 9th...too simplistic though...not heard Yilmaz linked yet???
shedboy2
yes Yilmaz usually gets a mention around these times
tophobunty1882
wow what a shootout.haha manure
ghulamville
Breaking News!!... Sunderland and Man Utd are in a bid war to sign Soldado. They need a penalty taker!
Critical_Spur
Twas the poorest shootout I've seen!
Jables
Unfortunately it gives Manu one less gamete play but what an ending
Big Ron
Is this the end of Moyes and the resurrection of Manure with a new manager?
Jables
BREAKING NEWS: Footballer Juan Mata arrested for attempting a u-turn while driving north up the M6
Lee Treend
ooooo Cider would you really buy him? I think he plays like that all the time, not very good.
tophobunty1882
Mata to United
tophobunty1882
United's exiting the Carling Cup is bad news for us ... they will now be the most desperate of the teams vying for top four places; they have nothing else to focus on!
Geofspurs
Topo, If you think about it if we get top 4 then all the little contributions our new 7 signings give us would have been worth it. None are setting the world alight but have all contributed in their own way, Soldado with some well taken pens, (Don't discount a good pen taker, defoe at west ham a few seasons ago springs to mind, should have won that) also some neat link up play with ade, Lamela although hardley played set up pauli's last minute winner against Cardiff. Capoue Used as an emergency CB when we had a crises in that position. Paulinho Eriksen and Chiriches speak for themselves. The only one who has contributed very very little is Chadli. Of course All 7 signings could do much better, but then again so can some of the players that were already here.
spurfect one
We have to give our new signings more time, I still believe that Baldini will have the last laugh. Having said that, I will make a bold prediction and say that Soldado will go on a run and chip in with 15 more prem goals and Lamela will finally start to perform and fire us up into top four...Anyone remember that season when we got fourth for the first time when Pavlyuchenko went on that lil run of form that really helped us, and then bale made his breakthrough
T0P-FOUR
Man U with Rooney and Van Persie returning and with the addition of Mata, they could become a force again. It gets more intriguing
Big Ron
geofspurs, lets not forget that United are still in CL. Win it & they could pi$$ us of like Chelski did....But oh wait...Scratch that. Moyes winning CL...Unthinkable.
sydqcb5
For us to get in top4, we need Soldado to strike form & need Vertonghen & Sandro back ASAP. We need Sandro desperately vs City
sydqcb5
Anyone know who we will have back from injury for the City game? I'd like to get an idea of what our back-line and MF could look like!

syd ... Oh yea, forgot about United and the CL! In that case, I hope they stay in it until the semi-final ... and then LOSE!
Geofspurs
The plus for us is Manure will get better when they get their strikers fit and Mata in the team. They will take points of everyone around us then, we have played them both times and got decent points from them. We need I would say at-least 9 points from the teams around and above us, which is doable. So we need another 7 wins and some small change from the fodder below us for top 4 finish. COYS
WestStandEnclosure
Just treat every game like a cup final..well they should for every game in the league but you catch my drift. COYS!
James1
WestStandEnclosure, on paper our last tough fixture is Liverpool away on March 29. Next 6 are against teams like Stoke, Villa, WestHam,WBA,Fulham...So,we got to negotiate till March with care & stay in the top4 or 5. Then hopefully, we can capitalise on these fixtures. Easier said than done. But fixture list towards end of season is promising.
Arsenal have a dreadful feb-mar, so am hoping we can drag them down as well. If Arse looses next few games, it could possibily a 5 teams for 2 places.
sydqcb5
Syd, I thought the rule changed re champs league winners not taking 4th place spot if that team finished below 4th ala Chelsea?
Dublin Hotspur
Far to close to be putting money on it or even hazarding a guess. Can we rule Newcastle out yet? But for 3 recent consecutive defeats they could've been clear in 4th place on 45pts! Can we beat City? Each game is massive. We're currently showing the form of the top 3, can we keep it up? Have we unearthed a gem or are we on honeymoon? Even a gem could buckle in his first half-a-season... coys
jerkinmahjurgen
Has anyone seen Dembele rub his hand down Ades' face as when celebrating his goal against the swans? Ade had just previously moaned when Dembele placed a shot just wide of the post rather than pass to Ade in space. Was this Moussas' '***** off n behave yourself' response? Cripes! He's strong but Jesus! Takes a brave man to bring it on to Ade. Hope there's no unrest over this.
jerkinmahjurgen
Think Chelsea away is a tougher fixture than Liverpool sydqcb5, WSE very good post!!!
Ossie
I still think our poor goal difference will be a big stumbling block for forth place. Utd are nearest with +9 to our +3 and they have been without van Persie and Rooney. We'll need to get an extra point over all the other contenders. Will we? I'm not sure. We are in a similar position to Man U needing 3 other teams to go on a poor run. It's nowhere near impossible but we need to keep this unbeaten run going.
longtimespur
The main thing re. us or Utd for 4th. The key fact is that we are currently 6 points clear of them after 22 games. Whether Rooney, RVP, Mata or uncle Tom Cobley play for them, is irrelevant, if we continue to get results, and don't drop 5 more points than them by the end of the season (we need a 1 point cushion to combat our abysmal GD), then we will finish above them. The danger teams if we maintain our form are obviously Liverpool (Luis Suarez F.C.) and Everton. If Suarez falters, or if somebody kicks him into next week (could very well happen, what a juicy prospect) and he gets injured, or he has another aberration and gets suspended, or dives once too often and breaks his bloody neck, then they could struggle. Everton have yet to have a "bad patch", every club has one, and if it comes, or if Lukaku or Barkley go off the boil, then they will falter. If we keep on getting our points as we are doing, and given our fairly friendly run in, I think we must have a shout of 4th, we have certainly had our bad patch (cheers AVB).
Frank
 

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