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Jeepers Keepers!

Two Tottenham keepers are in the news today. One probably departing and the other one perhaps hinting at a summer move, should Spurs fail to make the top four. With the other keeper the oldest player in the Prem, the No1 position, suddenly comes into the spotlight as a potential problem for next season.

Firstly, and I must say that the comments might well have been twisted to suit an agenda, but Hugo Lloris has supposedly hinted of a move away, should Spurs fail to make next seasons Champions League. As with one or two other players, Llois wanting and expecting CL football is hardly surprising, as he is one of the best in the world at his position, whilst also having a great mix of relative youth (at 27) and experience to make him a player that would surely be attractive to a few elite teams across Europe.

One thing that concerns me at WHL is that he remains an almost unique keeper in terms of how he plays and adopts the sweeper/keeper ethos, that is far more proactive that other Prem keepers and you would imagine is ideal for a club like Barcelona, who like to play a high line. We have repeatedly discussed the problem with having different mentalities with out two keepers since the arrival of Lloris, but if you are wanting to bring in a like for like keeper to Hugo, is that almost impossible, or alternatively do we look for a more Steady Eddie type in terms of having a more traditional model for the future.

For our second keeper, it seems that Heurelho Gomes, might at last be on his way, with pics of him being in Eindhoven, with you assume a return to PSV. Personally I would be very happy for Gomes, as I feel he has been unfairly treated at Spurs or at least unluckily so. Sure Gomes makes some howlers, but so has Lloris at times. Where our Brazilian suffers for me is that he creates uncertainty in our defence with a will he/won't he problem when coming for a ball. With Lloris, you know pretty certainly that he will go for it, whilst in the case of Friedel, the opposite applies that he will let his defence deal with it, however both are consistent in their ways. Gomes, wasn`t.

Should we lose Gomes, there is the question over whether we will bring in a new third choice or promote Jordon Archer to the role? I suppose much depends on what is happening to Brad in the summer, whether he stays or goes, whilst the same may sadly apply to Hugo. Spurs have been linked with Forest keeper Karl Darlow, whilst I also heard a whisper that Reading`s highly rated Alex McCarthy had been looked at. Both are young, English and considered great prospects. You assume should we lose Hugo, we would be looking for a more experienced first choice, but lets hope we nock that CL spot and don`t have to worry about that happening...




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Monday January 27 2014

Time: 8:42AM

Your Comments

Catches win matches!
Mix26
I think Hugo is an outstanding keeper and one of the worlds best, however he is getting ott with closing down the ball when it's not necessary. Non the less I will accept those mistakes but in truth we need a solid backup as we have seen with other gk when their form drops it becomes a costly affair for the team. Hugo needs competition and or a good understudy. I seriously doubt Hugo would have spoken out of turn as he strikes me as an honest gentleman.
Mix26
Hugo story has been blown out of all proportion, this is the rubbish that happens when spurs have a very quite window. Don't know what happened to gomes that he couldn't at least establish himself as our back-up keeper especially with brad gone this summer!
Slurms McKenzie
this is all pretty standard stuff, quality international players want CL and if they dont get it for a couple of seasons they will look away. i would say the two most obvious here are Lloris and Verts, both highly sought after, we missed a golden opportunity last season if we miss out this season which is a much tougher ask expect a couple of big names to leave. Good luck to Gomes, I agree Ox he hasn't been treated that well here at all.
tophobunty1882
Lloris is without doubt the best keeper in FIFA 14 UT :) #justsayin
South L/Derry Spurs
Lloris said he hadn't really thought about it which is the bit that's seemingly been ignored by the press. TBH though I have no problem with any of our players having that ambition and being vocal about it even with the threat of leaving. Far more of a worry would be if any of our players didn't have that ambition and are happy to just go through the motions just to pick up a pay cheque.
flipper
LLoris is a great keeper, however I would stop talking about "world's best" stuff until his recent run of minor errors reduces. We do not need a "sweeper keeper", (AVB did), and no matter what the position is, there is no such thing as the ideal, like-for-like replacement unless the guy who joins is way better or far less injury prone than his predecessor. Simply get a quality keeper, who makes very few mistakes. Gomes was always going to see his contract out, which is a shame, as he did deserve to be playing somewhere. But he took the money over playing, so I do not go with the idea that he had been treated badly. In Summer, keeper was not seen as a priority, so Brad was always going to be back up. This summer, I doubt that he will still be our no.2, but fine for now. If Lloris DOES go, then that would mean that we would have to bring in 2 keepers. Does that mean that we should buy a 1 senior and 1 junior keeper, or should we buy 2 senior keepers, and make them fight for position? I personally would go for the 1 senior/1 junior idea, but make sure the the junior is good enough to play the cup games and gain experience.
TonyRich
Clubs i'm sure will come in for many of our players in the summer. CL football may have a role to play in their decision making, that said a good arm around the shoulder and a reminder of all we are trying to achieve should not be ignored. If they wish to play CL football, then they are part of a squad that can make that happen, if we fail, failure partly lays at the feet of the said player. Human nature usually suggests we all wish to achieve in many elements of our life, football is no different.

Contracts whilst are laughed at all too often these days, do give us the opportunity to stand our ground, something i believe we need to be doing all the more often. Yes we can argue about players unhappiness, can't keep a player who wishes to leave. Sorry, yes we can, it's just how we go about reminding the player that Tottenham is the place to be. Modric, Bale, Berbatov, VDV, now maybe Vert's, Lloris and Paulinho. Talent that would not look out of place in any European club team at one point in their carrer. All Spurs players and all the types of players we should have not sold or should be selling. We need a tougher stance, no more stepping stone for players. Some have to accept the fact that when they joined we were not in the CL, but the reason for their signing was to improve our chances of qualification. They need to man up and remember they are part of the reason for failure and get determined to make amends throghout their contract instead of heading for the greener grass at the first available oppotunity.

Yes it can be argued a two way thing, if they are not good enough we look to offload, the thing is, if the player doesn't wish to go, he can easily see out the remainder of his contract, heck,he could even work harder and make a difference. Dawson being a prime example regardless of views on his ability, we're talking ethics. Don't want to hear football is a short career, try working 60-70 hours a weak for little money until retirement age. I know the route i'd take. SHUT UP!, do the job you are paid to do, until your contract finishes put in the performances we signed you for, you never know you might just get to where you aspire to be. Now surely that would be the most satisfying way of doing things.
Cider spurs
I always think with keepers such as Lloris and Gomes, they will always make a higher % of mistakes as they take so many more risks than the average GK. Also on too many occasions we hang them out to dry with overly exposing them to opposition attacks
oxfordspur
Ive always wondered if during the negotiations of player transfers especially someone with a profile as high as Hugo's whether Levy actually advertises our club as a stepping stone to the bigger clubs, "you come to us and perform, we'll sell you to one of the bigger clubs if your deemed good enough" type of attitude. Which to any player with potential is great news, Levy making money and us fans seeing some of the greatest talent in Europe wearing the shirt.
coys1717
Was that a shy dig at Dawson ox ;)
Mix26
Well, if he wants CL football next season he needs to improve his own descision making during games. Man City 14 seconds......REALLY.
pratts bottom
pratts, that's a good post mate
tophobunty1882
Mix26 - well I think that AVB hung Daws out to dry, just as he did with John Terry before Spurs. It is the tactics. You do not play high line without midfield pressure on the ball, but AVB played high line no matter what. Since AVB left both sides, Terry and Daws far less exposed and put in a far more frequent good performance.
TonyRich
lol spot on pratts
Mix26
pratts, topho - Lloris (the French national captain), leaves team that had CL football the previous 4 seasons to join Spurs, a team that has only been in CL once in its history and not for couple of seasons or so.... He knew what he was doing from the very start. Basically ManU have been stupid in not signing Lloris. Out of the "big boys" of the EPL, ManU are the only with keeper role not nailed down in the past few years. Lloris has maneuvered himself in the shop window a bit by being in a more famous league, and close to ManU. ManU a bit scared of dealing with Levy now, so maybe he will be looking abroad...
TonyRich
Great news for Levy if these reports about Lloris possibly wanting away next summer if Tottenham fail to make the Champions League for 14th time in 15 ENIC seasons! These always room for more Spurs stars in Loser Levy's ENIC Auction House...
Pele10
No doubt we will see Perez in the future saying how Lloris was born to play for Madrid, Bale saying how much he would suit Madrid and Modric saying that despite never playing with him at Spurs he would be a good edition to the Madrid team! Expect a gentleman's agreement to popup at some point as well. Plus I bet they will come in for Vert and Paul as well :(
spursnoob
Levy signed Lloris for 8 million, which could rise to 12 million, so anything over 20 million would be seen as very good BUSINESS for Loser Levy... It's such a buzz supporting a football auction house!
Pele10
Tony that's a fair point, i guess it could drive him even harder to want it back in that case? so take Pratts approach and then take a view at the end of the season lloris
tophobunty1882
Morning Pele how are you, what odds are you now to be the first internet slander case to take to the courts in a football forum? I think you are putting yourself in a very healthy position here, what do you think mate?
tophobunty1882
I don't want Lloris to leave under no circumstances but having said that I feel along with him there are two or three players that may well feel they want to move on if this seasons turns sour, hence no CL or worse still ending up finishing around 6th or 7th.

If we lost lloris the keepers I like is Krull and the Nottingham Forest keeper, wouldn't mind the Forest keeper as potential future, so if we could buy him and loan him back while Lloris is here that would be a good call imo. Having said that I am not sure about Archer, not seen enough of him. I think we need to think long term, and get a young decent keeper in now who we can back, so in two, three seasons they are ready if Lloris goes. I am not sure Brad should be number 2 he is too different to Lloris and is not getting game time now and will be rusty, we need a number 2 but that is so hard in the PL. Would like to see Archer play so I can get a look at him, is he ever loaned out?.

I think this is a big end to the season, players like Lloris, Vertonghen I think will really want CL next season, I think Sandro is just a happy player at Spurs and will stay even if we don't get CL. I also think Eriksen, Paulinho will stay as it is only their first season, but not sure what is and will happen with Lamela and from what we are hearing Capoue, Chadli and Holtby are looking to leave this window, this leaves us with Soldado, I doubt he will leave if we don't get CL unless the club decide they don't want him.

Players like Townsend and Lennon are Spurs through and through, they will stay, Ade who knows, who would want the unpredictable player, can only see him going if a CL club come in for him and want to pay him huge amounts of money, the rest of the team are not CL players imo.

So as I see it the two players I worry about is Vertonghen and Lloris, the uncertainty of Lamela.
WorldPeace
Perhaps this is why why Loser Levy cashed in on his leading European goalscorer and Premier League impact sub Defoe! If we qualify for the CL and win the Europa, players like Lloris would be happy to stay at Spurs! An unhappy player, a player who wants to WIN silverware in their career is more than happy to go into Loser Levy's auction house and be sworn to secrecy! "Gareth, you get you move to Madrid this summer, but keep it buttoned my boy, I've got thousands of crap 'Bale' Under Armour shirts to flog before your wear your new Adidas kit... Hush, hush my boy...
Pele10
flipper-well said. It would be strange for top players 'not' to have that ambition. Why would players like Lloris stay at Spurs if we keep missing out of CL not because we haven't got the players but because we keep sacking managers, and in this case put a rookie in charge. I have no problem if he said that, it is up to the club to make the right appointments with the manager and coaching team so that the players can have some stability and improve their game.
WorldPeace
Lloris, Levy, Lionel Blair, nor anyone has said anything about Hugo going anywhere, apart from a few football headline writers.
MAN ON!
you are on a role Pele go for it, makes me smile anyway.
tophobunty1882
Keep going Pele. You may or may not be correct over every individual issue but you are correct in your main issue. A voice of reason amongst the statistical apologists!
Harry-Kari
Great goalkeepers are few and far between and in my eyes Lloris is one of the best……….. No top notch keeper is going to sit out matches week in and week out. (Gomes may be the exception). A reserve goalie is likely to be either an older guy toward the end of his career, (Brad), or a talented youngster, on his way up, (Archer)? Friedel was brought in to steady the ship when Heurelho was rocking the boat and loosing confidence. Brad did just that and has proved reliable and steady, if not outstanding…… With Gomes leaving and Brad nearing the end, we need a match day reserve and their understudy. Is Archer ready to step up? I don't know. At this moment all 4 keepers are in the first team squad, so if that's to continue we will need 2 keepers to step in. The dilemma being who is good enough but willing to be understudy to Lloris? Again, I don't know.
MAN ON!
Sun is shining, weather is sweet………..
MAN ON!
Lime green Lloris !?
MAN ON!
Well done pele10 for puking on another article, suffice to say that no Hugo is not sold,no Hugo has not requested to leave and non of your fantasy statements are even debatable. I can't imagine to think what would happen should levy sell his Merc on Gumtree and pele gets word of it! Players are sold every window dear boy, yes nobody was happy to lose Modric and Bale but hell like most undesirable instances in life we man the phuck up and get over it! Spurs are a top club competing with clubs who financially stronger, more attractive and proven recent success. The FACTS are there but you fail to EVER point them out.
Mix26
Top players will always have the ambition to play CL football, Lloris should be no different. As for Gomes, I do not believe that he has been unfairly treated. For two years he was 1st choice and whilst making some amazing match winning saves he also made far too many basic handling errors, which cost us too many points/games. He never really got used to being marked by the opposing attacker at corners, often flapped at crosses and his kicking was average. He has not played for us in over two years and I assume he is only still here because he was too expensive (transfer fee and wages) for the level of club that were interested in him. Both AVB & Harry clearly did not rate him and in the end he has run his contract down instead of cutting his losses and going off to play football.
Paul - THFC Forever
Tony unfortunately I cant agree re Dawson, tactics are not built around one player and Dawson was just lucky his 'competition' was injured.
Mix26
I've just read that Gomes has stated he's going nowhere just yet…….. Ah well, what does one choose to believe in the bulli**** world of football journalism……? I've also heard a rumour that Messi's been seen in a kebab shop on the Seven Sisters Road. A stones throw from WHL……….. A loan deal is on the cards, but only if Levy lets him wear his favoured Nike kit…...
MAN ON!
Just to expand on Pele's line of thinking, what really are the options for a football club (any club) when a transfer offer comes in for a player? Option 1 - Club don't want to sell and Player doesn't want to leave probably a very rare senario these days. Option 2 Club doesn't want to sell but player wants to leave - we've been here a few times! so what should the club do? Sell for as much money as they can get as quickly as possible so they have time to get ina replacement (but probaly knowing that they won't really able to repalce the star tey've just lost)? Say not for sale or over price the player to scare off the other clubs but then have a disgruntled (star) player on the books? Who either lets his form slip or goes on strike, either way you have a big wage and investment which is suddenly offering very little return while their market value decreases, at best the player still performs but you're never going to get 100% again. Or do you let him rot in the reserves and run down his contract? effectively steal 2-3 years of his career from him? Option 3 the club want to sell but the player doesn't want to leave, ironically we've been here a couple of times recently as well, (Dawson and Ade) club can't really loose here, we sell we get the money, we don't sell and the player knuckles down and tries to prove their worth or a player who is not in the team plans still isn't in the team plans but won't complain about not getting game time! The last Option the club wants to sell and the player wants to leave but no-one comes in with a bid that suits. Again we've been here with Bentley and Gomes horrible situation for all concerned! Am I missing anything? what other options exist and has anyone figured out how a club can protect its top assests, without a knock on negative effect, if a bigger club comes sniffing around
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms McKenzie… You're logic is simple but true. I'm not sure why anyone would disagree…… ;-)
MAN ON!
Man On there are only three reasons I can think of why some one would dis-agree and you've covered them already, (Logic, Simple, True!)
Slurms McKenzie
Slurs to be fair, u have pointed out several aspects of why players move, change, get sold, retire or just chill... Suffice to say that's why it is now a business. Its up to the management and the club's hierarchy to make these decisions. I don't for one second think we could have stopped Bale, Berba and Modric leaving unless we had a sugar daddy to pay the ridiculous wages. I do however think we would not have sold Caulker or loaned BAE unless we really wanted to. It's business pure and simple, there is 30+ players who are in the the same club with diff contracts, agents, clauses, commitments, and the list goes on! It only comes to light when big money transfers or unsettled players hit the news....Or when pele10 regurgitates it...
Mix26
Slurms-Did you miss out player wants to go, clubs doesn't and player is forced to stay and they knuckle down give 110% and score a ***** load of goals, Saurez or they are the best player in the team even after not getting their move, Rooney.
WorldPeace
Mix I agree with you re Berba, Modric, Bale etc my only complaint was that these transfers were on teh cards long before the window opened and the club should have planned for the worst and hoped fo rthe best, ie have replacements lined up and prices agreed and be ready to pull the trigger should the worst happen. Now you could argue that Spurs did their business before Bale was sold last summer, but with hind sight it looks like wasted money! (Anyone recall the reviews Modric was gettign last season with Madrid?)Thats the only fair crititism you could level at Spurs and Levy - failure to prepare!
Slurms McKenzie
Paul-you make a good point re Gomes, I think this is something players do, they stay because they don't want a cut in wages, makes you think what their reason is for playing football in the first place. If i was earning what they earned and then was out of favour I would take a cut just to play. I would even pay the difference in valuation if I could afford it. Why do players try to sustain such a high level of income, what can they possibly spend it on.
WorldPeace
World Peace it was a factual article not some piece of roy of the rovers type fiction! :-) Yes Suarez seems to be an exception that proves the rule, Rooney got a massive pay off for his "loyalty" and another one on the way (over £300.000 per week!!)
Slurms McKenzie
WP fast cars, fast women and big empty houses ie living the dream?
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms I think Levy tried to conduct the business before selling as with previous issues where clubs realize you just mugged united or RM so we gonna mug u the same. The truth is how do you replace Modric, Bale and Berba? It's fair to say that any transfer will be a gamble, or with patience a sound investment ala Modric
Mix26
As things stand we are going to lose our best players, year in year out. We are second tier, the best players will always want to play for a team in the first tier that pays first tier wages and is very likely to offer CL football. We pride ourselves in being well run financially, our board spend within our means so let's be content with the occasional flirt with CL, 'cause that's where we are at.
ItalianYiddo
Italian, the crowd up the road were making the same complaints and statements last summer and after they were stuff by Villa on the opening day...
Slurms McKenzie
Rooney and Suarez successfully negotiated massive wage increases in their renewed contracts. Rooney seems to get a new contract most years. How many times has he supposedly threatened to leave United, only to get a huge increase in salary? We cannot afford to do this.
MAN ON!
Slurms-yes it was a good factual article which I agree, just asking if the scenario I made was missed lol I am just not sure everything is so 'clear' a fact is only a fact when proven, a fact is not a reality, a reality is a persons perception, their world and human perceptions are distorted, conditioned so everyone's reality is a distorted, conditioned reality, not a fact.

I suppose we could say that when a player is made to stay and they don't perform to 100% that is not a fact, how a player performs is a perception, on what an individual see's (perceives) and even if there is a consenses that the player is not performing to 100% we cannot attribute that to the 'fact' that they were made to stay, human actions are too complicated to do that. Their under performing may had happened any way, besides what is 100% performing, is there such a thing, can a 'perceiver' ever 'know' what 100% is, nothing is static in life, everything is in a state of flux, so can anything be 100%, i think you will find that there is no such thing as 100%, it's just a distorted, perception lol
WorldPeace
Mix again without spending massive amounts of money the reality is you can't, what you can do is invest in potential, nurse it along, reap the benefits of it on the pitch for a few seasons and then the benefits of a bumper pay day when you sell on and re-invest in more potential, as long as the threadmillis in sinc i.e the new talent is emerging just as the super star moves on then the impact is greatly reduced. It looked like we had gotten lucky with Bale going and Townsend stepping up. Hopefully we eventually get enough talent coming through that we break int the champions league on a regular basis and can hold onto our talent a bit longer - we're just not there yet!
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms, who's complaining? I am stating facts. Another fact, Arsenal have had CL footie for the last 14 years. Another fact, Arsenal pay higher wages than us.
ItalianYiddo
Slurms-exactly, it's all a dream, nothing is real, and eventually we all have to 'wake up' lol
WorldPeace
Italian-now that's a 'fact' lol
WorldPeace
World Peace, with my tongue firmly in cheek, I thought just putting the word FACT into a statement made it a factual statement! but yes I take your point and as you insist that I admit it then yes I left something out - I believe thats the third mistake I've ever made in my life FACT! I also accept that I have over simplified the impact on players by being kept against their will and tried to atribute a quantitative measurement to a qualitiative situation. And as you've pointed out a slump in form may have been on the cards regardless due to many difference factors.
Slurms McKenzie
Italian, the shower up the road were complaining, I just used them as a reference to show that a finacially sustainable club can also be a top tier club, but at any level having a finacially sustainable club does not win the hearts and minds of the fans.
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms- only three mistakes in your life 'FACT' wow, I could say is there such thing as a mistake lol may be everything is made up of polarities, and we just label everything a either a 'success' or a 'mistake' lol Good talking with you. COYS whoever where's the shirt.
WorldPeace
'wears'
WorldPeace
Now we read Dortmund want Vlad, I seriously think the media make up stories and work on the percentage that one will come true if they write enough stories.
WorldPeace
World Peace, prehaps I should view them as learning experiences (Mick Macarthy maintains you learn nothing by winning friendlies!) in which case I've learned very little :-) I enjoyed the chat world peace and had a couple of chuckles aswell.
Slurms McKenzie
world Peace re media, kinda like Townsend's approach to shooting, try it enough times and something will go in!
Slurms McKenzie
We have some wonderful players. We signed some world class players on the back of we had a long-term plan and we were going places. Our 'plan' is now flimsy to say the least - a novice youth manager, a DoF who felt things were so bad he offered his own resignation and a Chairman who has an awful record of hiring and then firing managers. Our only chance in the short-term is that somehow Sherwood maintains his fantastic start and makes the CL and then either he or the new man can really go into the summer and next season with huge optimism + some extra money to perhaps add to an already great squad. I fear for the likes of Lloris, Verts, Paulinho etc etc if we don't make it. No CL, no proper manager, no new money, dis-harmony in the ranks, no plan. Not a great cocktail. I think we can all agree that we have to be massively behind Sherwood from now to the end of the season - unbelievably important few months. Its a bit of a cross-roads.
StillRickyVilla
SRV, Chelsea have no youth, no long term plan, more managers than any club in history over the last ten years, played to an fro with a DOF. Barca hired their youth couch as have ajax. The PL is a tough place to be especially for a manager and suffice to say the managers that don't achieve the goals set out by the chairman ie CL qualification get the chop! Levy has booted MJ, Ramos,Arry and AVB all justifiably and with many fans backing. I dont think it's a cross roads at all, until we have the new stadium and finances to pay Tevez to sit on the bench we will undoubtedly be in the same position each season. United,City and Chelsea can and always will buy the league success, Le Ars have the chance to break the usual but only because of the managers in transition.
Mix26
Firstly Lloris has NOT actually said anything about moving. He said he would have to think about things if we didn't get CL. I read this last week, it is ancient history, also there was no sign as to say when those statements were made. Next, I said AGES ago we should have bought Butland as Lloris' understudy. He would have been ideal for us, buy him,send him out on loan to keep his game time up with a return clause built in.
chrishove123
WorldPeace, yes, you can force a player to stay but when the player really wants to go, there is not much you can do. Suarez could force a move if he wanted to. Adebayor and his obscene wages aren't even top 10. Suarez is 5th, I believe. We don't pay that type of money. It's one less reason to go. Eventually he too will want CL. If we keep finishing ahead of Pool he will be gone. But yes, players can be forced. Do it and agents and players will take note. Signings and contract extensions will become much harder to secure. It's reality. COYS
peterballb
oxford spur Totally agree on the high mistake %, but what people tend to forget is BECAUSE of those risks Lloris takes, he has saved us far more times than he has dropped us in it. It was the same with Gomes, only problem was he made a couple of very high profile clangers, but the amount of times he saved us to get CL was phenomenal.
chrishove123
MAN ON! I heard Elvis the other day talking to Greavesy and they were saying that Martin Chivers is coming out of retirement to take over from Soldado. Only what I overheard, they were talking to a Sun reporter at the time.
chrishove123
chrishove123, a good shout re: Butland. Stoke have him loaned out to Barnsley at the moment. Surely if he was at Spurs we could arrange an even better loan for him. I'm certain that many teams are watching his progress.
MAN ON!
Haha! Welcome back Chivers, we've missed you…..
MAN ON!
Begovic is good……….
MAN ON!
I don't think old Harry likes Brazilian goalkeepers…….. What's happened to Júlio César? Is he hanging out in West End bars with Gomes, counting money?
MAN ON!
dont buy into the paper rumours much and think thats exactly what they are...coys
rovinella62spurs
i think Mix says it as it is in one post here, sure others do also have only read a small collection of stuff...and Slurms says some very good stuff here too....where is Geof with his prediction for wednesday?
tophobunty1882
Not sure why but Pele`s posts crack me up.Rubs his hands with glee at the prospect of hammering levy,brilliant.
Fanny adams
It's that fab old ENIC apologist stuff on here from the usual Danny Boy fan club members. We haven't got the money to compete with the top 4 even though we have 4.5 billion quids worth of THFC board members. We cant compete with the likes of the Arsenal even during a period when they were carrying a massive 450 million quid stadium debt, even when they had to sell many of their star players to cover the debt, they still made CL every season, still finished above us when we were debt free? And yet we still sell all our star players when we are not in debt? When we have 4.5 billion quids worth of owners? We haven't got the new stadium so we cant compete, but it's not ENIC's fault that they have failed to add no more than a couple of hundred seats in 14 years. I mean how can we possibly blame Loser Levy's pledge to increase stadium capacity 14 years back. It's not his fault, nor Joe Lewis's that they still haven't even raised the budget to build the stadium yet, because they have refused to borrow money from a bank or from any other source for 14 years now... So let's run a healthy football auction house business instead... Danny Boy gets his 2.5 million a year to play Fantasy Football, to buy and sell football players and hire and fire coaches, and DOF's at will, whilst the THFC trophy cabinet stays empty, and big Joe sits there by the pool side waiting for the right moment to cash in as he did with the 5 other football clubs he owned...
Pele10
HA HA HA HA HA quality stuff Pele10
Fanny adams
Breaking news: Arsenal in new Puma sponsorship deal! Sorry, nothing to do with goalkeepers or indeed Spurs…….
MAN ON!
...Now it's bloody raining!
MAN ON!
Grey cloudy sky, in London……...
MAN ON!
Floods in England yet a transfer drought at Spurs.
Fanny adams
It's repetitive stuff Pele but some of what you say is not so wide of the mark. For very wealthy, shred and ruthless businessmen it's amazing how hard Levy and Lewis have found it to accelerate our stadium build beyond the dead snail's pace we've witnessed so far. If you want it bad enough and you've got a couple of billion in the bank you can make anything happen more or less as quickly as you like. It's hard to argue that ENIC are very keen on the stadium getting built sooner rather than later.
SpuriousLife
Suddenly there is a realisation that we have a crisis at GKer. This is not news, at least not to those who can see past the end of their nose, and think, this has been a problem ever since Lloris came. We have currently Lloris, as the article says, one of the world's best, but behind him covering him for injury or suspension, or competing with him for PL selection, we have Brad Friedel @42 years old, and a totally different type of keeper, whose selection would demand a totally different defensive ethos, given his penchant for staying on his line, come what may. Behind him we have/had Gomes who has failed now to convince 3 successive managers that he is worthy of selection, and Archer a young kid. The need for an additional quality keeper is not new, it has been the case ever since Lloris came and became established as our No.1, and we modeled our defensive style around him. I am amazed that nothing has been done before now, by these people who get paid telephone numbers, for their wisdom and foresight, to sort these things out. I agree with the comments re Butland, and also note that Kasper Schmical is out of contract in the summer, either would make excellent under studies for Lloris. I also agree Begovic would be a decent replacement for Lloris if he goes, but he turned us down to go to Stoke, so perhaps not.
Frank
Agreed Frank, well said, the big mistake in all our out goign trasnfer deals ove the last number of years is not havign the foresight to have a plan B already in place at the club. If Lamela had joined us in January 2012 while Bale was still in his pomp we could have used teh second half of that season to "ease" him in and have him ready for the new season.
Slurms McKenzie
Leighton Baines has today signed a new 4 year deal to stay at Everton in spite of interest from Man Utd, so Suarez and Rooney are not the only ones. With regards to replacing Berbatov, Modric or Bale or indeed Rafa Van Der Vaart, no you can't always replace players with absolutely like for life, but rather than spend the Bale money and that from last summers other transfers, on a gaggle of mediocrity, with only 3 out of the 7 buys looking justified (Eriksen, Paulinho, and Chiriches), and 4 looking a waste of money, particularly the 2 who cost between them some £56M, a striker who doesn't strike, and a "boy wonder" who is yet to play, but cost just £7M less than Juan Mata, not a great bit of business by any measure, we should have invested in a couple of genuine £30M players, and used the rest of the £109M spent on the magnificent seven to pay them £100,000/wk each for 4 years.
Frank
Incidentally although some of his rants do occasionally stray OTT, Pele 10 only tells the truth, perhaps not always the whole truth, but his allegations, and claims, regarding the performance of THFC since the beginning of the ENIC era, compared to some of our rivals, including the building of new stadia, and the selection and subsequent retention of coaches and DOFs, is totally factual. There maybe a wide selection of apologist excuses, sob stories and alleged reasons for these failures, but the fact that we have failed to emulate some of our rivals is indisputable, and we are now as a direct results of failure, suffering due to a reduced level of revenues compared to them. It may amuse some to villify him for what are sometimes extreme views, but the core facts should be considered seriously. Incidentally it is not slanderous to tell the truth.
Frank
It’s very quiet on here considering it’s the last week of a Transfer window and 2 days before a massive game against city. I think half the reason might be because of yet ANOTHER article being taken over by Pele and his one man war against THFC and the owners, I must admit I’ve started going on other forums as its just becoming a troll site. If there’s nothing the mediators are gonna do about it then im afraid VS isn’t going to last much longer. Shame, as some of the posters can actually hold an adult conversation and share opinions with other fans in a sensible way, whether they doffer or not

Ok, may as well chip in on the actual topic now. Lloris hasn’t said he’s leaving if we don’t get CL, although it’s a given that the longer we continue to miss out on the best cup completions and challenge for Trophies then we will find it difficult to hold onto our better players. Hug is an awesome keeper and I think we can hold onto him for another year regardless, but there will be a time (CL or not) that he will want to move to one of the Giants, be it Man U, Real, Barca etc so we just have to make sure we are not caught in another “transition” where we have to make do with a backup keeper who isn’t good enough. We do seem to have a real problem with Balance at spurs, we seem to have 380 midfielders yet only one keeper, one left back, one and a half strikers!

Unfortunately it’s a combination of changing managers every 13 seconds and scatter gun buying in the market. We just need a period of calm, unfortunately that might mean forgetting about CL qualification for a few seasons and accepting that a handful of our better players will leave. Build the stadium, wipe the slate clean and focus. Believe me it’s not want I want to see, I want to be in the CL next year but every year that’s goes by it becomes harder and harder to just keep up with the Man City’s and the established “big 4”. We all thought this year was our big chance, with all the new managers etc and even though we are 3 points better off than last year we have to keep our foot pressed to the floor to stay where we are. I know it was nearly impossible but what if we signed, Eriksen, Pauniho, Chiriches, Soldado AND kept BALE? I honestly think we could have been up there at the top. That’s the only way we were going to become an established / regular CL team.
hudderspur
Mix, the difference of course with Chelsea (and Barca) is they can spend any kind of money they wish to get them out of holes and make mistakes good and buy success however ludicrous the decisions are at the top. They just go out and buy the best and therefore compete with the best whatever happens. Given that ENIC are unwilling to put their hands in their own pockets the ONLY way for us to compete is to be clever and put in place a long-term strategy and NOT react on a week by week, result by result basis. The business models we should be following are Man U and Arsenal the most successful clubs outside the sugar daddy clubs and ones we can emulate. Man Utd - doing much worse than us but they have put faith in Moyes for the long-term because they know that is what success is built on. Same with Wenger. We have just spent ALL our money (£100m+ which is nearly a whole year's revenue for THFC) backing one manager and his ideas, only to revert to a different manager with different ideas 3 months later! That is not clever running of a business. We do not have a strategy. We have a young novice manager who we all hope will do be a success but lets face it he's feeling his way and said himself he's out of a job in the summer if he don't get Top 4. To keep and buy top players (without CL) they need to feel they are part of something so that even if we fail at least we are moving in the right direction. At the moment you get the feeling that both Sherwood and Baldini are pretty temporary and it could quite easily be all be change again in the summer. Why would Lloris, who could walk into any guaranteed CL team he wanted, stay in such an uncertain arrangement particularly if we can't even offer said CL football?
StillRickyVilla
Frank – SOME of “his” points are valid, but they never ever actually relate to the topic at hand. He was on here a few weeks ago trying desperately to blame DL for Soldado’s poor form. Honestly, you can’t make it up!! Not looking like we are going to so any business this window I guess?? Im a bit worried that we are going to play almost the entire second half of the season with Ade and Soldado as our only established strikers. Even more worryingly our only LB is Rose!!??
hudderspur
Any truth or does anyone know anything about a bid for Andreas Weimann from Villa? Apparently this has big legs to it???
ledgespur
Hudderspur...Lamela can play as a Striker IMO. And would be better than whats out on the market uin Jan.
ledgespur
Vlad can play LB.
ledgespur
Hudderspur Bale leaving didn't cause our dire approach to football in the first half of the season, Had he stayed he may have been too big to be constricted by AVB's tactics but I don't think it would have ended well. Had we utilised the players we had to better effect I still think we would have AVB in charge and be in amoungst the top three. That being said Liverpool have exceeded expectations and Rodgers has them performing better then their sqaud looks on paper. United won't threaten the top four even with Mata and as we have now taken 4 points from our two games they can do us a favour in our fight for fourth by taking points of Liverpool and everton. Everton are starting to slip into their recent habit of gettign draws not wins and I can see them starting to slip back into the chasing pack fighting it out with Newcastle and united for league positions. Tomorrow night Merseyside Derby will have a hugh impact on our season and I can't really see any result suiting us better then a draw, maybe a win for everton but a 'pool win will put pressure on us again. I'm not planning on getting anything from wednesday and can be pleasantly surprised if we do.
Slurms McKenzie
Ledge, Weimann would be an interesting addition but again more potential then proven star and is he a winger or an out and out striker or a ulitity man? Vlad is finding his way at CB, I thought his back up position was at Right back so we're left with Rose, Fryers, Noughton, Townsend and Verts to cover the LB. Not an ideal situation for the run in!
Slurms McKenzie
Ledge - I could play in Goal if need be. So does that mean we don't need a keeper?

Slurms, Only thing I don’t agree with is I think Bale would have been a massive player for us, but the time was right for him to move. It certainly wouldn’t have helped his career to stay another season. The problem was, like you pointed out earlier, we needed to sign Lamela half a season earlier. Same reason why we need to sign a striker THIS window. By the time it takes players to adapt etc it may be too late. Soldado is really struggling yet we now rely on him. Just annoys me when Liverpool or Arsenal sign these forighn players and very rarely have a problem slotting them in without a fuss. Ok it took Giroud a season to get going t but Cozorla, Ozil, Coutinho, Sturridge….maybe we just buy the wrong players.
hudderspur
Just saw a predicted line up for wednesday's game of Lloris, Walker, Dawson, Vlad, Rose, Bentaleb, Dembele, Siggy, Erisken, Lennon and Ade. ANd my thoughts were on paper it looks very light weight for City. Then I thought about the team we could have out if everyone wasmatch fit and on form, lloris, Walker, Kaboul, Verts, Rose, Sandro, Paulinho, Townsend, Erisken, Lennon and Ade - my thoughts now: we're very weak at LB!
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms whoever predicted that wants us to lose
tophobunty1882
Slurms, I seriously wouldn't be writing off United. There are alot of games yet to be played.
Ossie
Sturridge was hardly a risk for Liverpool Hudds, Coutinho didn't hit the ground runnning but he took alot less time to settle then mos tof our lads (even with an injury problem) Cozorla and ozil are two sickening examples thou!
Slurms McKenzie
Ossie, I'd agree with you if they were just being piped to the post or teams were just parkign the bus and settling for a draw but its worse then that, lesser teams are having a go at them and gettign results they are leaking soft goal, Vidic, Evra and Rio aren't getting any younger and the young pretenders haven't really developed and their keeper situation is even worse then ours. Yes RVP and Rooney are a big loss but that should mean they are drawing games 0-0 not concedeing sloppy goals. United's race is run! They aren't grinding out results like they used to, they haven't grabbed a game by the scruff of the neck and dragged three points out of it and the players don't seem to be playing for the manager!
Slurms McKenzie
If Siggurdson starts against city I will be seriously disappointed. His last few games have been woeful. We have injuries yes, but we also have a strong squad. I dont expect anything form the city game but if we just roll over and take one up the pooper then I give in. Unfortunately it’s a game too soon for Jan and Sandro so the back four is what it is. Walker Daws Vlad Rose. Then it has to be a compact holding two in Dembele Bentaleb, Lennon Wide Right, Townsned Wide Left, Eriksen behind Ade. It’s a massive risk in playing Bentaleb, but considering Pauniho is injured, Sandro not match fit and Capoue has been told he can leave options are not a plenty. I don’t know why but I just get feeling that Soldado could also be a massive player in this game.
hudderspur
Best transfer window in a long time no big players beign linked with a move away. The only persistent rumour is for one or two of our new signings who haven't really impacted on the team so no gaping void if they do move. On the flip side I don't expect to see any trasnfers in either (which begs the question what is it that Baldini is doing?)
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms for all their troubles this season they are they only 2 wins behind us (had played alot of the season so far without RVP and been without Rooney too). We got City on Wednesday, they got Cardiff, could be down to three points come Wednesday night.
Ossie
Three things: 1. Am sure Lloris did not say exactly how it is being reported 2. ALL players need to take responsibility for getting us top 4 - includes him. 3. Will grab a beer if Gomes the Clown gets sold for anything.
Windlespur
Ossie - sadly agree with you and had to click them for top 4 as it said head. Soon they will have Rooney/VanPersie/Januzai/Mata lining up - our only hope is that at the back they are AWFUL. Hope the window shuts without them buying any defenders. Has anyone seen Arsenals FEb & March fixtures - nice :)
Windlespur
My expectation for wednesday's game is that we go out and give a good account of ourselves, show soem pride int he hersey and make City earn the three points or nick a draw. If Sherwood's team shows they can compete with City even with our injuries then I'll be content. It won't irradicate the ghosts of the 6 goals earlier int eh season but it will give hope for the rest of the season that we can compete with the best in the league. If we were to win then I might just go out and get a tattoo on my knob that would read SD most of the time. Hudds agree re Siggy!
Slurms McKenzie
Ossie the other way of looking at that is we're 6 points ahead of them while missing Sandro, Paulihio, Verts, Kaboul, Townsend, Lamela (dunno he could be awesome) lennon early on and Soldados scoring boots. Plus they have Grace Jones and Little pip to deputise.
Slurms McKenzie
I think we will win on Wednesday, I always expect a victory at home, but Ill settle for a draw, the only good thing about a defeat is VS will be back up to its usual numbers!!!!
Ossie
Anyway Ossie I think we have the cream of the crop here, or whatever it is that floats to the top...
Slurms McKenzie
Ossie - hardly a positive!
Slurms McKenzie
Point taken Slurms, guess we'll see how the season pans out.
Ossie
Will not be easy, but City away are not the same side & surely we will show some pride and thirst for revenge in this one. Would be nice if Kaboul, Sandro & Vert were ready for this match.
Windlespur
United buying Mata is like putting a sling on a man with a broken leg!
Slurms McKenzie
I agree with frank on pele...some may not like it but it doesn't seem libelous to me...unlike other posters, whom I'm sure there would be a much stronger case against... just for info because this is a user name doesn't mean you can't libel the reputation....an online persona still has a reputation...something to bear in mind...agree hudderspur VS have to mediate better....
shedboy2
Must admit, I would hate to see Lloris leave Spurs but our overall mix of GK's at the club does need looking at. The irony is that if Harry had been fair he would have started Gomes in goal ahead of Brad when he first joined the club. He didn't make Brad work for his place and he ostracised a very talented keeper in Gomes. At least AVB did things right by making Lloris earn his place. Let's be clear, that's the root cause for the situation we find ourselves in today.

If we cut both Gomes and Friedel off the wage-bill then I'm struggling to understand what established keeper would come knowing that Lloris is the main man. That means we will need to sign another stop gap bench sitter like Chelsea have with Schwarzer or buy a younger player and hope they will be satisfied playing in the U21's. The alternative is that we lose Lloris as well and then it's time to buy someone like Begovic or Krul and an upcoming keeper like McCarthy or Butland.

The situation today is absolutely fine all the time Lloris is fit. If he's out for an extended period then I would rather go with Gomes. The problem is that we would probably end up with Friedel in goal and that worries me greatly. My feeling is that we would all be quietly surprised if we did see Gomes in a Spurs shirt again.
muttley
Disagree Slurms, Utd been lacking a creative midfielder for a long time, this move I can see them finishing 4th if Rooney and RVP come back soon. I also wouldn't be surprised if they got one more big signing by the end of the transfer window.
Ossie
Ossie creative midfielder is not their priority in my opinion. MAta is a very talent palyer and improves any squad but according to Jose who knows everything about everything he didn't put in the defensive work requried and with United strugglin in this area you would imagine thats where they shoud have looked ot spend big money to solve the problem. Again no gaurantee that Mata will "settle" immediately at united either.
Slurms McKenzie
right home time!
Slurms McKenzie
As for the City match, what was interesting was the timing of the behind closed doors friendly. That gave a clear 6 days for a few players to be assessed. Logic says that Dawson, Chiriches, Bentaleb and Dembele will form the spine. However, that game saw Kaboul, Vertonghen, Sandro and Paulinho participate. We also a switch from 4-4-2 to 4-3-3 in the last league game. This is where Tim gets to prove that he can manage at a big club.
muttley
Slurms...Sexual Disease tattooed on yer' knob is not good at any time. ;-)
Cider spurs
Slurms I think after spending £37M on a CM, that would suggest Moyes believes that position is a priorty, even if for argument sake we agree it's not, Its still a massive signing for Utd, and one that will onlu improve their team imo.
Ossie
Team for City.............

..........................................Lloris......................................

Walker.......................Daws.................Vlad................Rose

......................................Sandro.......................................

Lennon...................Dembele.....Eriksen.......................Towns..
.........................................Ade...........................................
ledgespur
Payback...6-0.. :-)
ledgespur
Mata is going to be a great signing for them, hell of a player.
ledgespur
Thats not a bad team Ledgespur, Ild be happy to see that team run out Wednesday night, altho if Paulinho is back I think Eriksen will be out wide with Pauli back in the middle.
Ossie
Slurms...If i may. You mentioned in an earlier post about us being weak at LB. Now we know what playing Vert's there holds, and that naughton is not ideal for this role. This leaves Fryer's as back up to Rose. I think something has been overlooked with Fryers. If i am not mistaken he has openly said he sees himself as a CB, not a LB. At United he partnered carrick at CB and came on to replace Evans a few times at CB also. Whilst he did feature a few times at LB for Utd, i believe CB was his preferred. Could it be that we have yet again another player whom we are not playing in their position and at best pinning our hopes on doing a job as cover?. Make's the LB situation look even worse if this is indeed the case, and somewhat makes a mockery of the scenario of being short at CB earlier in the season. I'm confused, is he actually a CB?, if so, without gametime in this role, would it not be deemed wrong to expect him to step in at LB when he has not even found his feet in his actual role?.
Cider spurs
I think Paulinho may return on Wednesday. He's been out the least time and I do hope he's ready. Verts, if ready, would help out Rose I think, more so than Vlad. I expect one of those two with Daws.. Andros on the left could work but may leave Rose struggling. Then again it could mean that Danny can concentrate more on defence.. COYS! Revenge would be oh, so sweet….
MAN ON!
Left back is the only position I'm concerned about. Topho and a few othets said all along about the the left side being the weak link and they are 100% right. Under AVB it didn't help with the inverted winger but under Tim there is now a balance but the only glaring problem is the LB. Get that sorted and we will be a better team for it. COYS!
James1
I ould give Sandro the nod ahead of any other returning players. He has a simple game that he can play even if not 100% match fit. I cant see too many changes at the back, in fact I o not think any change will be for this game. If we play Bentaleb and Dembelle in the center and no holding...we are facked and will lose badly.
ledgespur
Shut that YaYa Toure down we'll have a squeak.
Cider spurs
Sandro V's YaYa....will be a great battle..if he picks Bentaleb then it's no contest, Kid is good but not for this game.
ledgespur
Cider spurs….. From what I can gather, Zeki started out as a natural, left-footed left back but was tried out as a CB, when playing for England youth teams. They also used him as a box to box midfielder. He's played left back and CB for both Spurs and United of course. I think Sherwood played him at LB for Spurs under 21's.
MAN ON!
I'm not sure you can put a man on YaYa. He's up and down and all over….. Great all rounder that certainly makes City tick. Tough choices for Tim I think. We did beat them 3-1 at WHL last season...
MAN ON!
Coops....if you're reading mate, that player i put the link up for the other day, the one you described as football porn, he's just about to sign for Sunderland for £3 million. Scocco is his name, him and Salah IMO were opportunities missed. interesting to see how they now perform.
Cider spurs
MAn ON!..Thanks mate, that does seem to somewhat point to lack of true cover at LB then if he is not an out and out LB waiting in the wings. Who is?.
Cider spurs
Man on, are we back to bikini haircuts again? Brazilians? Austrians, I would prefer an imposing bearded growler between the posts. The French do beards well!!! Lloris could carry the look!!
Dublin Hotspur
Cider.. you made a main point in your post.. The very same one i say.. All the players have to accept the responsibility of failure of Champions League qualification. The manager can only show them how to play different tactics, according to opposition, and squad type of players we have. But when they are on the pitch it is down to them,... How many times at Spurs we have seen players not performing? giving up, drifting out of the game?.. Indeed they have to Man Up and show the professionalism they are paid for, in every game. As £50k £70K a week or more is way beyond what the majority of their fans earn a year. So we expect them to put in the effort and skill to get the results, which ensures CL qualification, and no complaining or crying they want to leave cos of no CL games when they don't qualify!! COYS
Block D Spurs
If he picks Bentaleb ahead of a fit Sandro and Paulinho then im sorry but he will have shown his lack of experience and understanding, simple as that
T0P-FOUR
Gotta lot to read through here, but gonna give pele a little fuel for his decent post earlier. We have cash rich owners. If pele is right and they have shared wealth of 4.5bn£. It's a lot of dough! I'm no banker, but I'm sure there are some on here to put me in my place with my upcoming simplistic view! As I understand it, the interest on a million is around £30k per year, that makes interest on that 4.5 bn at a shed load of cash.( my calculator on the phone won't go that high!) Even with deposit interest retention tax( dirt) which in Ireland is now 41%, I still reckon one years worth of interest would pay for the stadium, without touching player sales profit, sponsorship, naming rights etc , so doesn't actually touch their personal wealth. Bring the other factors in and we can pay the wages we need to to retain the best players. Just a thought? But feel free to shoot it down. As I say, it's a simplistic view, and I'm no financial wizz!
Dublin Hotspur
Block D. Yes mate, maybe we are describing an ideal World, but IMO something's got to give. Pendulem needs to start swinging back toward a club retaining the power. They scout, sign and pay the players. Club loyalty is becoming less and less. Too many know that a move can usually be forced through. We as a club may be partly to blame because of our business model of bringing on potential to sell at a profit and continually re-start the cycle. I do however believe that Levy was in no rush to sell the likes of Modric and Bale, but his hand was forced somewhat. Too much money involved to leave players languishing in youth set ups if they wish to leave. Players know this and use it to their full advantage. A club for life player is a dying breed, come to that, a player actually seeing out his contract seldom happens these days. Fast bucks, little loyalty and blameless.
Cider spurs
Dublin...Evening mate. I believe you were going to have a look at the "Book of Daniel" series the other night. Did you see the link i put up for another good 3 part article from skip jack on an earlier article?. Quite a good read with excellent mocked up pictures.
Cider spurs
Slurms, We are very weak at LB, and re Manu, they have also lost the favour of the refs!!! thats been a massive point winner for them in recent years!!
Dublin Hotspur
Part1......http://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnation.com/2013/12/23/5238506/tottenham-hotspur-tom-carroll-christmas-dickens
Cider spurs
evening Cider, I read all 6 chapters of the book of Levy revelations, pure class. I have your link there to read also. whole family is sick so up to my teethe making soup, cleaning vomit and mucus, and rubbing in vicks, so gonna read those new ones you put up when everyone is better! cheers mate. hope your not swimming down there in somerset by the way, and I hope it doesnt affect the apple harvest this year!
Dublin Hotspur
Man on, look at the impact a full beard has on the opposition with Sandro's new style, and Tim Hpward between the sticks.. its the way to go. and also for 2014 in the bikini line!
Dublin Hotspur
http://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnation.com/2013/12/24/5240764/a-christmas-tom-carroll-part-2
Cider spurs
To the many posters today re Bentaleb..... please please dont even bench him for City!!!
Dublin Hotspur
http://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnation.com/2013/12/25/5240836/a-christmas-tom-carroll-part-3
Cider spurs
I hope Gomes does well but I don't feel sorry for him or that he has been badly treated, he's been out for 3 years+, surely he could have made some noise and sorted it out if he wanted to play, looks to me like he's been happy collecting his wages.

Dublin I'll humour your financials - not sure if you are being serious - but £4.5b next year won't buy you everything it bought this year and even though the ENIC's clearly like money, I expect more than that they like being able to buy, stuff, possessions, even people. This means they've already accounted for the interest you kindly spent on our stadium and I am sorry but 'it's already gone Dublin mi old mucca'. Saying that though I could be completely wrong and your brainstorm is the answer to our continous mediocre performances, if you are right I reckon we go for 2 years worth of interest and bank Messi and Ronaldo with the change.
T.H.F.Chris
LOL THF Chris, who know... I don't, that was all worked out following a discussion in the pub last week that if one of us won the lotto, we could live of the interst and not touch the dough... multiply the interest from 2m up to 4.5m and we might just be there!! pele might know better, he has the figures down, but if it was me i'd do it!!
Dublin Hotspur
*4.5 Bn*
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin...yes mate it's mad. Alot of the surrounding villages are under water. Police divers checking cars at times, temporary pontoons for villagers to catch a humantarian boat to get to and from houses. Watched the National news today and the very pumping station i used to help man when working for the Environment agency was featured. MPs present and plenty of irate local dwellers. can't say i miss the job, saw some wonderful countryside in summer on my rounds, but winter flooding and being stuck in a pumping station 80 odd hours a week was not much fun. As for the apples, that why God invented tree trunks, it's the good old Spud that'll soar in price again no doubt. Anyway, i think you'll like that read when you get round to it, and sorry to hear of your family's sickness. Excuse me if i disappear at times over the next few days if we get chatting, broadband is playing right up, engineer booked, but just had a phone call saying the exchange is knackered should be fixed tomorrow. It's BT, so that'll be in about a month no doubt, with some form of charge added to myself. If i ever get to meet that Buzby, i'm gonna'kick him right in the gonads. ;-)
Cider spurs
Dub's the pub is where all good financial deals are done, I'd happily bet you £4.5b you would touch the dough.....?
T.H.F.Chris
Glad to hear you are all ok, I heard the SW was swamped and aint getting much better. if you have an iPhone/samsung you can always plug it into the laptop and switch on the personal hotspot. hey presto 3G wifi coverage!! BTW, a blight on the spuds historically ruins countries!!!
Dublin Hotspur
too true THF, but until you come across that kind of dough, you can pretend to be simplistic in your needs and say you will never change!! Ill let you know if I ever get lucky, and if its 4.5 bn, Ill buy the stadium and pay the top wages.. sure why not! yu cant physically spend that sort of cash, and its worth nothing to you when you are 6 under!
Dublin Hotspur
You're right mate, not only can you not spend it but you can't even give that sort of money away, tax man would just bend you over. We need to get Pele to pass that message on to Joe, surely he'd give some cash to his beloved spurs then.
T.H.F.Chris
Dublin..i phone?. I don't even carry a mobile, let alone a fancy i phone. Home, work, pub. No phone required. Missus often in my company at pub so i allow her to be my secretary. Spoil her i do. One less thing for me to lose on the drunken stagger home. that said, i am thinking of investing in one but as of now we just share the lasses.
Cider spurs
I do have a landline. I had visions of you lot thinking that i'm such a wurzel that you see me with two baked bean tins connected with string. Me stood one end chewing straw with twine holding my trousers up. ;-)
Cider spurs
Cider, oh god how did you swap a life in North London for that idyllic joy? last time I never had a phone was 1993! I work for myself now, and need it, but to be honest i get more calls and texts from herself than anyone else!! next boat to cider land anyone?? ill hop on!!
Dublin Hotspur
I think that is the biggest reward for me if i were to win a serious amount of cash. being in a position to make a difference to others. Of course i'd want for nothing, but those genuine people i have witnessed struggle or need help, the satisfaction of being able to help financially would be the biggest gift of all for me.
Cider spurs
THF, who gives a feck about tax with that sort of money? just give it to spurs Joe, philanthropy, thats the way forward!!
Dublin Hotspur
with the family asleep in their sick beds, and me alone in the safety of the kitchen, i have decided not to cook for myself, but to try a microwaveable burger??!! I may not be around fr a while.... tastes magic tough!
Dublin Hotspur
and a bottle of gin!
Dublin Hotspur
Cider, in all honesty i'd put it all into research to cure my sons illness (he has Cystic Fybrosis). unfortunately there was just recently a situation where a group of parents of CF kids who managed to raise €2m for a new ward in cork for a sterile unit for under 18 kids with the illness. our government health department took the cash from the hospital and put it into patching up their own deficits... said they would upgrade a ward but couldnt guarantee that it would be used for CF!! and that was privately raised through sweat and tears!! sick but there you go. have to be so careful really!!
Dublin Hotspur
and back to the article, lets gettop 4 or better, keep Lloris and the rest of the big boys, and get parksey and brad on the job to coach archer to perfection!!
Dublin Hotspur
Sorry to hear about your young fella Dublin, coping with CF is a big enough challenge in itself without living in this banana repulic who seem intent on making patients and parents suffer as much heart ache as possible. On the other hand that 2million would only allow 2.5 CEOs of the CRC retire, so depending on your reference point its only a small amount of money. #ourhealthcaresucks.
Slurms McKenzie
Cider I can assure you that at other times herwoo would be clearly visable on my tattoo, and in big letters so all the available space is utilised! You would only see SD if it was very cold and I had me tighty whiteys on. Well YOU wouldn't see it but you know what I mean.
Slurms McKenzie
Cheers slurms. It is truly paddywhackery of the highest level. You are so right, the hospital had it all spent pretty much, then James Reilly , great sort that he is, got his mucky paws on it. Won't affect us as the little man goes to Crumlin , but you get the point! Would live levy and Lewis to open that war chest they have and sure up hhe spurs future properly so my kids will taste a bit of glory in their time.
Dublin Hotspur
Tatt sounds ideal slurms, on the flute I assume. Think I'd have to settle for I! With T and S when it's cold filling the puzzle. Wasn't born lucky!!!
Dublin Hotspur
Haha Dublin :-)
Slurms McKenzie
Unlucky lads. I'm sat here with the magna carta donning my wee pecker. Thinking of having the Bayeux tapestry pictured on the rest. ;-) Sorry!...gotta go, missus has pulled me up for bu//$hitting.
Cider spurs
Dublin, sorry to hear about your lad, my nephew has the same. The World can seem such a cruel place at times. Does the little fella follow the Spurs also?, if so, has he got a favourite player?.
Cider spurs
I can see Lloris seeking to move out if we dont land CL. He comes across as a cold calculated person - I dont think he will hang around if we miss CL.

Ideally I would like us to go for Aussie keeper Maty Ryan , who is now playing in Belgium for Club Brugge. He was on trail with Spurs in summer. He is excellent talent, winning player of the year in Australia league for 2 years in a row. At 21, he has already taken over the International cap from Schwarzer. He is one of the best shot stoppers around & generally very mature keeper for his age.
sydqcb5
Hey cider, he's 18 months old but can say spurs, and wears his kit on match day. How old is your nephew? Little man is doing well, no major probs do far, touch wood!
Dublin Hotspur
IMO of course.I believe that any new signing should at least stay at our club for a minimum of 3 years (foreign signings especially). If you consider the 1st season is all about adjustment, the second to hopefully to play at the players best level and succeed at reaching Champs league if that is the aspiration, and the 3rd season to again try once more if the second season fails. Can walking away after one transitional season and one true effort second season be considered a serious input for the club?. For me no. No champs league for Liverpool at the end of last season, Suarez wanted out, behold, Liverpool got him to stay and now they are once more genuinely in the hunt for champs league qualification this year. We have to keep our best players, and one full season after the previous transitional one does not equate to a worthy effort to get to the top table. If you fail once, you try again. Fine if after 3 seasons you are still playing at a level under where you aspire to be, so be it, move on. At least you have given IMO a fair effort in securing this. One learning season, followed by one season means very little. It's no fluke Everton are nearly always in the mix they keep a settled team with few stars ever leaving. Spurs are in the mix because generally our talent is better, i'd suggest we would not only be in the mix, but would have been in the Champs league more if we too had kept a more settled squad and not sold our stars. One learning season, Two full seasons. That'll give us a chance to utilise the players talents to the full. Don't let the players dictate all the time, Suarez shows you knuckle down and you have a great chance to achieve all you desire with the club you currently play for. Cut out all the "I want it all, and i want it now" rubbish. You want it, b/oody work your arse off for current club to get it.
Cider spurs
Dublin...My nephew is 10. He just got a fish tank for Christmas, named all the fish. A real live wire, and has an opinion on most things. I don't get to see him as much as i'd like with my brother living in Kent.
Cider spurs
Looks like Capoue is heading out to Napoli, and possibly Holtby to Dortmund. Sherwood in interview says "unless something drastic happens then there will be nobody coming in", he is a brave man given the situation up front after March 1st when Defoe goes. Looks like Cabaye is leaving Newcastle for PSG for circa £20M. This deal and the £37M deal for Juan Mata, really puts our £30M deal for Lamela into prospective, there is no comparison between these two, as accomplished PL and international players, and Lamela as a "21 year old, PROMISING player", with his 3 caps, and "L plates" on his shirt. He was grossly over priced, and we were the mugs who took the bait. The same can be said of Soldado, £26M for a diminutive 29 year old, very limited striker. We certainly didn't get killed in any rush in order to sign either of them under pressure from others, waste of money or what. Of course we have a history of signing "square peg in round hole" strikers for big fees, remember Rebrov and Postiga.
Frank
Frank the Soldado deal when compared to City's deal for Negrado looks like we got sold a real pup. Still half a season to prove us wrong, but he has to get back into the team to do that!
Slurms McKenzie
Absolutely Slurms, I forgot Negredo, but yes he is another against whom Lamela looks pants. How much would he fetch if moved on, £15M on a good day, with a following wind. Incidentally I was wondering today, what exactly is Baldini doing these days. We have not moved many out, we have moved nothing in, and we appear to be lumbered with 4 out of 7 of his summer buys, they don't seem wanted by anybody else, or good enough to play regularly for us, a scandalous waste of money. Levy should have accepted his bloody resignation when he offered it, when lap top man went.
Frank
I kinda of thought we'ed see a steady trickle of young talented footballers with potential arriving if not into senior squad at least padding out the under age structure. This does not seem to be the case and I too am startig to wonder at what Baldinis role and function is? I know the window isn't closed yet but last minute additions (when we could have used the last ten days to bed a new arrivals) are risky at best when it comes to unsettling a squad.
Slurms McKenzie
That being said, if Lamela, Soldado and chadli come good, and Kaboul, Paulinhio and Sandro come back from injury fighting fit and Townsend lights up the league on the left wing - then it could well be our best trasnfer window ever!!
Slurms McKenzie
 

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