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Spurs vs Man City...The Report.

Right, a bit different for this report guys and gals. Gonna be short and sweet with a few questions for you to ponder.

First things first, Man City are a very good side, blessed with talent throughout the team that would not look out of place in any top European club, please remember this. So, here goes. City outplayed us for vast parts of the game. Being realistic, we were outplayed. Like it or not, money can buy success. Dzeko could have scored 4 or 5. Was Sherwood right to start Bentaleb over Capoue? Walker is now not only gifting attackers a headstart, he is failing to get back and make amends. Do you agree?. Why yet again does nobody mention the amount of key players we have missing through injury?.

It continues...How was it I knew that once the commentator mentioned that Jovetic had not scored for City, that he would against us?. Mentioned before, ducks are broken against Spurs so often. Why was the Linesman so poor?, No penalty and good goal. Some say it goes full circle, debate away on that one. It ruined the game. What about the formation, are you happy with the way we set up?. Do you think Rose could get his red overturned on appeal? I think we should appeal, perfectly good tackle with the player hitting Rose as opposed to him taking the player out.

Enough of the headwarp, let's get back to a little bit of happiness and the positives we can maybe take from the game. Lloris' save was a beauty, yes conceeded goals, but that was some save. Eriksen, well last couple of weeks he's come on leaps and bounds with his delivery. His corners were brilliant, something we've not witnessed all to often of late from our team. We will have four of our own players who can also warrant a place in any top European club about to return, sprinkled with a few more options in Lamela and Townsend to name a few. In fact the level of player that City keep on the bench in reserve. Toughness of the task becomes more apparent when this is considered. Chelsea drew with W.Ham, We did Arsenal no favours (Negative into a positive).

The same as you guys and gals, i hate it when we lose, this however was to a team whom I honestly believe will win the title, blessed with World class talent throughout, backed by endless funds, with dodgy decisions and a sending off to boot. Apologies for the less than informative article, decisions aside, sometimes we just have to bow down and acccept that we are not yet at this level. Whether that is a money issue, wrong signings issue, or a fundemental problem within our mentality affecting performances is open to debate. Whatever the reason, let's try and regroup, knuckle down and move on. After all, we all support Spurs, what else are we supposed to do?.

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Date:Thursday January 30 2014

Time: 8:34AM

Your Comments

we are nowhere near as good as some on here think we are.
topspur53
Tim Sherwood is just a cheap stop gap till the summer.
topspur53
and yes we need a leftback
topspur53
Its not the defeat, it is the manner of it, this is happening far too regularly now against the top teams. Senior players are not turning up prepared for a battle. Same mistakes leading to goals conceded. The squad assembled is nothing more then a decent top 6 team. With players only good enough for the PL nothing more. Us the fans ambitions are more bordering on Delusional now.........COYS
WestStandEnclosure
Hadn't made my mind up on Tim untill yesterday, don't need a holding mf player? Please against teams of that quality you need 2! I think the squad needs addressing aswell. Dawson - poor, very very poor yesterday but a nice bloke who has played for us for a while so this is okay. Walker needs electric shock therapy to get it in his head defending is his first priority. Rose - unlucky but we still need a left back. Bentaleb - apart from one decent shot I don't get what Tim sees in him but he's young so I'll be patient, just not against teams like City. Dembele - just doesn't cut it in mf for me, too slow in possession, would like to see him at lw or lb, failing that sold. Siggyrdson - truly awful wide player and just no where near good enough to be justified as a 10! If he doesn't score he does nothing! To those who think we should stick with him remember he couldn't get in an average Icelandic team! Our wide players don't excite me any more, I think the whole team needs serious surgery and starting with Tim after that idiotic statement and then setting the team up that openly
spurticus87
Our passing was woeful last night. How many times did Dembele/Eriksen pass to the opposition? There is a lack of cohesion in our team that has been there since the start of the season. We don't look like a team, we don't fight like a team, we don't defend as a team, we don't attack as a team. We are not a team, we are 11 individuals who wear the same shirt. Why, oh why is Siggi in the stadium let alone on the pitch. We need someone who can hold the ball and make a pass. Why did Holtby not start instead of Siggi. One of our biggest threats is Lennon, yet no one passed to him, the ball kept going to Rose down the left. We are missing Sandro and Verts, no doubt about that. But Bentaleb was out of his depth last night, Sherwood is showing his naievity by playing him against Yaya Toure. Be in no doubt, this is one hell of a City team, and in some respects they showed us in 2 games why we dont deserve to be on the same pitch as them. We can talk all we like about all our missing players, but you saw the difference between a side which has balance, pace, passing, movement that even an old warhorse like Demichaelis looked comfortable. We lack balance and cohesion, we have some good players, we just need them to become a team. It is also obvious that 1 or 2 are clearly not good enough.
vicspur
For me Bentelab was by no means the worst of out players so to single him out is very harsh. First half Siggy, Ade, Erikson, Lennon were all terrible. Rose just doesn't convince me as a LB. He did win the ball for the penalty but he was also the wrong side which created the problem for himself. He should appeal and should win because he won the ball.

Dawson gave 100% but against the likes of Aguero he needs 200%. Bad decision to player hiim, even worse decision if we can't offload him in the next 2 days. Dembele looks better further forward although the tackle from Yaya must of hurt the guy and could well have been a straight red too.

To be honest I didn't expect us to win, the 50% on the poll are in cuckoo land. I though a draw would have been a great result for us but lady luck wasn't on our side and let's be honest it could hae been 4-0 at half time.

I was looking at the league table last night and our goal difference is simply embarrassing, we are 29 goals behind Liverpool who sit in 4th place. The positive is, City are likely to beat everyone else in the coming months so no major damage if we can get back on track against Hull. We need to go on a run again, build the convidence up and get some of our better players on the field.
yiddyboy
The only positive to take from this game is, Danny Rose played the ball out for a corner, we should appeal against the sending off. As for the rest of it, forget it and move on to the next game, Hull away.
spu 4 life
Cider good article but people are not reading it correctly, there is at present 6 first teamers missing and i have just read that so and so is not good enough or TS is the wrong manager, hello read the article and who have played man c and not had there arse kicked
spurs50yrs
Made this note on another post....1 point from 15 against the top 4...2 from 18 including everton....That is not a CL side. We all need to reassess what the club can do with the players we have. However, i think Paulhino, Sandro, Verts and Kabbom would all play if fit and perhaps we dont get drilled? But we have reall problems with Walker and Rose. SImply terrible defensive full-backs. Dawson too slow and Chiriches is like a Kamakhaze pilot running out of his line at the midfield!
jhbspur
Daws was never the right call against Aguero...I thought Tim watched the last game? We need a LB....yes Rose got the ball but diving in from behind is always asking for a card...Bentaleb needs a loan to learn his game and prove himself at the mo he's not a DM and not creative, what is he? looks like a new JJ to me....but we need to keep our other CM's it's the one area where we have quality..Pauli, Dembele, Capoue and Sandro are all top4 quality. Yevhen Konoplyanka...would add balance on our left....but I suspect we won't do any incoming business....
shedboy2
We need our injured players back and quick, yesterday was not a good performance, too many players didn't play well. We couldn't cope with them for the first 15 minutes. Wouldn't mind Townsend and Lamela back for a change up, Lennon poor lately and siggy isn't spurs quality. Sandro and Paulinho need to be involved too. It is not a shock that we lost to City but the way we played was disappointing.
Kong
Loser Levy must be gutted this morning! Not about the result of course, because his reign as THFC Fantasy Football Chairman has been littered with humiliating results for 14 long seasons... What the spoilt rich kid is devastated about this morning is not the result, but the injury to Dembele, which creates a major dilemma for the Scrooge's apprentice! Let me explain, Loser Levy had his heart set on selling Capoue within the next few hours to get those ENIC balance sheets looking even more healthy and possibly to provide him with some more Fantasy Football pocket money... But that's all in ruins now with this latest injury setback. What made it worse for Levy of course was that Capoue actually scored last night, so he couldn't possibly sell him now, especially with both Sandro and Pauli struggling for fitness, could he???
Pele10
Irrespective of the poor decisions that went against, the scoreline did not flatter them. They were awesome and we were simply pathetic in our defensive organisation throughout the team. Squad players or not the ability to cover back and keep the ball when in possession was abysmal. This was a big black mark against Tim too as confidence will now drain away and there is now a good chance that the season will fizzle out from a strong position. Let's hope it was a wake up call and our midfield and defence will reassert itself when the good guys return.
Love totty
i thought that when you play a top side, the idea is to get stuck into them early to put them off their stride, not sit back and watch them play. They have been given tough matches in all their away games this season - except this one. I accept we got the worse of the decisions but we have had so many go for us this season, that we can't really complain. What we are seeing now is the result of gross mis management of the footballing side by our owners. changing from one manager to another, from one philosophy to another and failing to invest properly from the moment we qualified for the Champions League (we are net sellers since then). I still remember Daniel Levy telling us not to expect regular Champions League football when we first qualified. They are clearly just looking for us to maintain top half premier league status and hope to sell the club when the stadium is built - if it is ever built. A little advice though Daniel, don't build the stadium. We will never fill it. We couldn't even sell out last night. There were loads of empty spaces around me. The season ticket waiting list is largely filled up with members who don't want season tickets. When the current issues re the property around the ground are resolved, I wonder what the next issue to delay the build will be!! I don't blame Sherwood in all this. He is an in-experienced manager thrown in at the deep end and is doing an OK job, although I think it was a mistake to play Bentaleb last night. Not looking good at all for our club.
jonathan01
Our record agaianst the top four. Played 5. 1 point. Two goals scored and 18 conceded. Does anyone think we are going to get anywhere near the top four?
jonathan01
jonathan01 I do. We can still beat liverpool. They did well in the derby, but a villa should have won at Anfield. Liverpool have big weaknesses at the back.
logos8
logos8...our defence is weaker and their strikers are better. the 29 goal gap on goal difference is very clear...
jhbspur
I'll be absolutely honest, I was completely baffled by our mentality and our approach yesterday. We took to the pitch already beaten in our heads. Our manager had insinuated as much in his PRE-match press conference and our players played looking scared and as if they didn't feel they were worthy to be on the same pitch as the City players. Now, don't get me wrong. City are a very good side but, for the love of all things holy, so can we be. We have the players what we lack is the belief, conviction and ambition to back ourselves. We play like we're scared. Dare I say we play like cowards? We were at home yesterday, the least we should have been able to deliver was a performance full of fight and a refusal to accept defeat. Instead from the first minute to the last some of our players looked like they were just waiting for the inevitable to happen. They failed to realise and understand that they were on the pitch to have an impact and had the opportunity to do something about making the apparent inevitable avoidable. This happens too often with us and I, for one, am getting bloody fed up with it. I'm going to name some names. Walker (brainless), Lennon (scared), Sigurdsson (invisible), Dembele (dazed & disinterested), Dawson (slow and cumbersome) all looked like the proverbial rabbit transfixed by the onrushing City headlights. Pitiful, humiliating and embarrassing from experienced professionals. Eriksen and Bentaleb looked overawed by the pace and skill of City. I'll cut them some slack as they're new to the PL. However, that excuse wears thin as the games tick on by. The only players (in my humble opinion) who played like they believed they could mix it with and cut it amongst the exalted company of City's players were Lloris and Chiriches. Yes we shipped 5 goals (again!) but at least Hugo and Vlad were calm and composed when in possession and looked like they truly believed they have the personal ability and class to have an impact against a team like City. Vlad sold a series of dummies to the onrushing City players to create space and time for himself. For once he made them look ordinary and him the world-beater. Unfortunately that only happened once or twice in the whole game. That is sad for a team with pretensions of the top 4. Having no real belief and the chutzpah to back yourself and have a REAL go results in no success. That's what we've suffered from for decades as a club. And by the way Mr Sherwood you don't help by fawning and salivating about the greatness of the opposition. Your job, in case you'd failed to notice, is too instil a level of self-belief, ambition, discipline and fight in your team so that when they take to the pitch they ACTUALLY believe they can win. That didn't happen at all yesterday. It's time we developed a spine so at least we try to fight back. At the moment teams bend us over and take it in turns to shag us. If you at least offer some resistance it's classed as assault, if you just invite the next one in then you're just a sorry old slag. I'm fed up of supporting a bunch of overpaid, scared sorry old slags. Apologies if I've offended anyone and for the long post.
SpuriousLife
On the subject of scoring, don't you think it's a bit strange that Defoe has not seen a single second of game time since scoring that cracker when he came on as an impact sub 3 games back??? Has Danny Boy instructed his yes man coach not to cause him further embarrassment! I mean, imagine how foolish Danny boy would look if Defoe went on one of his goal scoring streaks he is famous for just before flying off to Canada, instead of ending his Tottenham career in glory in Turin...
Pele10
I said on the previous post that Dembele (apart from some dodgy passing) had the better of Yaya and in return gave Dembele one of the most cynical fouls I've seen in a long time. The only plus for me was Ade. He gave it his all. COYS!
James1
logo8. Do you really think we are capable of beating Liverpool. We have such a weak mentality against the better clubs, I can only see one result - that goes for games v Chelsea and Arsenal too.
jonathan01
After a 6 hours of being out in the p***ing rain, its hard to explain the frustration as the Man city winger running the line clearly ruined the game, but based on 11 vs 11, we were cr*p. Disjointed, Lazy we looked like boys playing men, passing to people surrounded by Blue shirts, barely any attacking intent, Adebayor at one stage was rolled the ball on the wing in his own half? Sherwoods insistence of playing Benteleb is starting to annoy , its like his name is first on the team sheet every game, why? he's a decent player but no where near ready for a game like Man city, Rose, made some great challenges down in the corner but his crossing is complete dog turd. We were loosing aerial battles, heavy footed, they wanted to win that game, while we looked like scared little kids. On a separate note, a red card for denying a goal scoring opportunity is a stupid rule, your being punished twice for the same offence, that essentially rapped up the game for city.
coys1717
After last night, in the minds of the media and the neutral fan we go back to being the underdog for a top 4 finish, which is when Spurs are best, written off with no pressure. I still think we can take the fight to Liverpool, although given Suarez form 5th place is the likely outcome this season.
MrSpurs
we are a 5th -6th place team at best.liverpool will get 4th.All good honest opinions this morning.Walker, Dawson not good enough for top four side.if we sell anybody now we will show how little planning there is at the moment. Tim is just keeping the chair warm till the summer.agree about loaning out Bentaleb.
topspur53
Daswon is shocking, we cant beat top teams with him in our team !! Rose is a mid table left back at best, ive thought that for a long time !! Today i am sad :( Ouch
LOcE1980
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/manchester-city-thrashing-is-unacceptable-we-have-to-push-our-level-higher--tottenham-goalkeeper-hugo-lloris-9095235.html
rahn DMC
I had us down for a 3-1 defeat, so add in the diallowed goal, pen, sending off and its sadly as expected, well for me anyway. What we need to to now is to forget this now and move forward, get players back in fit and have a very strong run from now. We need Rose appeal to avoid sticking Verts straight back at LB, or buy a left back plus one other. It was obvious at the start after the team was selected that he got it wrong, Capoue for Siggy and he got it as right as he could with the injured players probably not 100%. To me i wouldn't have risked them because I think we would have lost with them just returning, that was a no brainer for me. It's gone, it was awful.
tophobunty1882
jonathan01- good post...It's all about the stadium...that's what levy said was his priority, that's why we have a land economy grad running the club after they have bought and sold several clubs before...it's about moving land around...not about winning or success on the pitch (that's a bonus)...the season ticket list is a mirage that will be used to lure in a buyer and then ENIC will leave with Spurs fans paying off their profit for a generation....
shedboy2
To get all of this into perspective we are suppose to be in a crisis with a manager who has no experience at all, at any level in the game. We just played one of richest and arguably the best club team in the world, certainly one if the top 5. So yes it's bad, yes it's painful, but we needs to remember that we have beaten some good sides recently away from home and there is still hope for CL football.
MrSpurs
Topho- the only thing that I can say in Tim's defence is that maybe he thought without Siggy as an outlet defeat was inevitable. Naive in my view as an honourable defeat was way preferable to this downer.
Love totty
I dont normally read the long posts, but Spurious Life's nailed it IMO.
coys1717
Cider, cheers for the article. Having slept on this and watched the highlights this morning( why did I do it to myself) I accept we were beaten by the better team, and in truth I wasn't expecting to come away with anything from the match, especially when I saw the line ups for both teams. If I had a grand spare and could bring myself to back against spurs, city would have been a super bet at even money. However I don't think the score line told the full story and I want to throw a few positives from my point of view, from the game. We started badly, as we always do, and were lucky to be only 1-0 down after half an hour. But we did start to build momentum and go at them then. I thought it was a goal, and being 1-1 at half time could have made things very different, especially when aguero went off. The penalty and sending off was the real changing point, and playing 10 against city is a list cause, and they over ran us and it could have been a cricket score. Some players that stood out for me. Eriksen from a dead ball is lethal. Threatened with every free kick and corner. Chiriches, controlled and confident, ade, full of running and loved when he was pushing yaya off the pitch when he was subbed, capoue, proved his international quality, strong, aggressive and hungry. And scored. Hugo, much better positioning and a great save. I believe he closed dzeko down to the point he couldn't see the goal and missed his chances. Now get the 5 or 6 injured boys back and with a bit more cohesion we can still beat some of those teams around us. COYS
Dublin Hotspur
I think there was not a Spurs fan in the world (apart from loser Levy) who believed we had a hope in the world in last nights game when we saw that Sigurdsson had been selected to play ahead of the improving Chadli last night. I mean, every Tottenham fan on the planet has sussed that Danny Boy's welcoming gift to AVB, Siggy, is just not up to the task, except for Loser Levy of course! I mean lets not forget that Levy signed JJ not just once, but went on to give him two improved contract extensions, making him the most played 'creative' central midfielder in the entire Daniel Levy Fantasy Football career... You could not have made it up...
Pele10
jonathan01 a villa dominated liverpool at anfield and should have won. if aston villa can do it so can we.
logos8
Jebus lads you didn't exactly help me out now did you?

City once again got a lot of poor calls in their favour, seems to happen a lot for them in all the big games, but having said that they fully deserved the win.

You backline looks so bad at the moment, not sure what formation or tactics Tim was playing last night but you looked like a team all over the shop.

Thanks for nothing Spuds.

Galway Gooner
It is fair to say TS made a mistake last night with his team selection & a few other technicalities, but since his inception as Spurs Manager he has done more good than harm. I won't assess him from 1 game, though its the best benchmark to assess him against. I'm sure he'd learn from it, but I least expect him to come out stating they're the "Best team in the Planet?" What Planet does he know to refer to them with such an accolade. After Citey's games against Chelsea (PL & FA Cup) & Barca in CL, we would know exactly in who's Planet they're the best in. It belittles him as a Manager & us as a team as we're in the same league & still beat the same team last season. Albeit, they're a good side (better than us at the moment), but good sides get beaten as long as you play AN ORGANISED TEAM against them. That was totally missing.... Walker & Rose were always out of position and had to chase... but more worryingly DAWSON. Surely, you would have thought he'd learnt a lesson or 2 from his 1st experience against Aguero/Dzeko (And all the Citey players). Why give players so much space to settle on the ball, turn you and RUN towards your slow coach Arse!!! I cannot comprehend it? Why is he still playing for us? Kompany was right behind Adebayor (ALL NIGHT) and rendered him USELESS that all his silly dribbling skills were nullified after his 1st touch. Defoe would have had more joy IMO. Playing Bentaleb was wrong & Yes, I cannot see beyond Rose's red card being rescinded. Anyway, All isn't lost yet but we now have Hull; Everton; Newcastle; Norwich & Cardiff AND I really expect Tim to get 15/15 points to make up for this loss. It's very feasible & a necessity for top 4 finish. Of cos after the next 5 games comes Tim's weekly test again - with Chelsea; Arsenal; Southampton & Liverpool to complete March. Those games will define our Summer status in 2014. COYS
DaSPURS
I agree with most of you in that Dawson was never the right call against City, but who else are we supposed to play? And I think to single out Bentaleb as out of his depth is simply wrong. I didn't even realise Siggi was playing until he went off. Dembele at times couldn't make a five yard pass. Eriksen was similar, his only saving grace being that he could actually take a corner kick. And Lennon was largely ineffective. If anything, Bentaleb was one of the better midfielders. Fans crave someone who is either a defensive midfielder or a number 10 - why? It isn't a prerequisite. It seems as though so many fans get caught up in being a Premier League Pundit that they believe everything they hear. There is such a thing as just a centre midfielder, in fact Bentaleb tracked back and got stuck in more than most, and keeps the play ticking over. Besides, people seem to forget he's very young and this is his first taste of top level football. He's hardly looked out of his depth, especially when you compare him to the aforementioned 'senior' players.
Stevenage Hotspur
Start with the positives: there was a bit of character shown. At 3-1, we saw some balls from our lads. After a slow start to the match, and some luck to still only be 1-0 down, we started to get our way into the game. Only a well spotted offside stopped us equalising. The negatives: DEMBELE... He can produce a good deep midfield display, but not consistently enough for me. Light in the tackle, passing woeful, chasing down of oppenents poor. Play him more advanced or not at all. Sherwood's selection - the talk of "no need for defensive midfielders" backfired big time. The insistence of previously not playing Capoue cost us big time. I have seen ManC play Yaya in a 100% holding role. Even they use holding midfielders. If Sherwood does not embrace the idea a bit more, then expect more beatings from ManC & Arsenal... When Rose got sent off, we went to 3 at the back!!!! We could not keep them out with 4, and now 3...??? The weakness of 3 at the back is when wingers run at you, which is basically how ManC were murdering us, so a goal was soon coming... Only when we conceded another did he bring Naugton on...which should have happened immediately after the sending off. He came on for Siggy, who was invisible anyway.... Why was he selected for this game...? He ISN'T a left midfielder. He only can do a job there vs weaker teams than us. Not vs City. We had Chadli... Now let's try and salvage some pride: Rose - actually did quite well amongst a poor 11...until unluckily sent off. Lloris - great save that kept us in the game...for a bit. Ade - actually put in a shift despite all being lost. Yes he held onto the ball too much... Lennon - seems to come to life when we go a man down. He tirelessly covers 2 roles.... If only we can get that energy from kickoff!!!! Anyway. I am happy. The life is coming back to our performance, and we were merely beaten by a team that is better on paper AND was better tactically AND had a fortunate decision. We are looking much better than those sleepy AVB days, and we have got more of our tough fixtures out of the way - so we know where we stand. It is in our hands. Verts, Paulinho, Sandro, Townsend to come back.
TonyRich
The "penalty" was very similar to Kos against Villa in the opening game, defender gets a slight touch but comes in from behind so it's easy to see how the penalty was given. I think it was a good tackle but in real time I would probably have given the penalty. I think that your goal was offside as Ade got a touch to the ball.
Galway Gooner
Totty very true, I thought we were most likely to lose so its how do you lose which counts if it must be and simply it cant be like this, we needed a shield in front of the defence for this one and then we had a chance of matching them in some way. I have never seen Siggy play well and he has to a degree become a pointless layer to have. Look West Ham played not to lose last night in what looked like a much tougher game for them (based on league positions and being away) than the one we faced, they got a draw. I think TS showed how naive he is, but I cant see why its a surprise to anyone on here that he's naive, nobody wanted him because he had never done it before, now idiots are slaughtering him for never having done it before. Still i would rather be him than some of the mongs on here mate.
tophobunty1882
Lots of good comments. I agree that we are not playing as a team and haven't done so for the last 2 seasons at least. We have loads of MF talent but no MF general and defensively we are open like a seive. The failure of Dawson and Walker to read the game quickly enough left us open loads of times last night and allowing a player to position themselves for a shot by showing them inside when there are no defenders there is just amateur night (Walker). City showed us the gap to the top, just as Liverpool and Arsenal did, but the interesting thing there is that individually Liverpool are not great with 2 exceptions and neither are Arsenal. The difference is that they are both playing to a consistent system which works most of the time. The root problem for me is Levy's mis-management of the club over the past 14 years and my fear for this season is that we will once again not qualify for top 4 which in turn will lead to an exodus of our better players and not attract better replacements, even assuming Levy is prepared to spend any money. Hopefully we can go on another run with our best players in the side and Liverpool and Arsenal start to stutter as every team usually does, but I'm not holding my breath. Incidentally, I thought that TS gave the no-442 brigade what they wanted last night in terms of 451 and it did indeed look like a typical AVB team ie: clueless.
Harry-Kari
I don't understand how Levy possibly expects us to get top4 this season. I honestly think the target this year should be top6 and Europa League, which is far more achievable and realistic. If we signed a left-back and a striker before deadline day then top4 may be reachable, but if you're not gonna put your hand in your pocket it is unfair to make demands that are never going to be acheievd. Mourinho has said Chelsea's target is top4, to build for next year. He has been backed with Willian, Etoo, Matic, and Salah. However saying that I will be excited when I see the fully fit team of Lloris, Walker, Verts, Chiriches new LB, Sandro, Paulinho, Lamela, Townsend, Eriksen and Adebayor, with new GK, Naughton, Kaboul, Capoue, Dembele, Lennon and Soldado on the bench.
Sebastian Short
Stevenage Hotspur top post.
"so many fans get caught up in being a Premier League Pundit that they believe everything they hear."
brilliant
logos8
TS got it wrong, big time. Wrong formation for a start, and then plays the wrong players to suit the wrong formation. I though Tim said he was setting up to attack. Attack what exactly???? Why is it that when other teams have players who are on their way back seem to get straight back into the team and get going. Townsend, Sandro, Vertonghen, Paulinho have all been training for more than a week FFS yet we start with phucking Siggurdson AGAIN!!!!!!! There was no plan, or at least not one was going to win the game. The players didn’t help themselves at all. You know what I can’t even be arsed talking about it. But super spurs are soooooo good and have sooooo many world class players we don’t need to bother strengthening this window. It’s just a phucking joke. Utterly sick of supporting this club.
hudderspur
The referee was going to give a corner and didn't think it was a foul until the linesman flagged. How can he send someone off for something he didn't even think was a foul. Just because a penalty was given doesn't mean Rose should be sent off. The offside was given because of Dawson, the linesman stated that it was given due to Dawson being offside when the ball was played.
Kong
shedboy2, your correct on the stadium issue! But after last nights humiliation, Loser levy is going to seriously struggle to find the 450 million he plans to get from naming rights, instead of borrowing the cash from the bank. I mean, who in the world is going to put such massive money down and then have to wait 3 years whilst the stadium is being built, to have the honor of having their name on the stadium of a none Champions League football club, owned by a British tax exile, football mercenary, that is run by a clueless apprentice of a football club chairman??? If your that wealthy, you do your research first, right? The THFC honors list since Lewis took over is not exactly high profile is it? Let's hope Lewis does the right thing and cashes in ASAP, before Loser Levy does anymore damage...
Pele10
Seb why wouldn't he? we were 5th last year (4th the season before) plus 100 million plus new players arrived. Isn't a one place rise a small ask in that context? The problem is we had a poor plan, poor manager and the way the 100 million was invested was juvenille at best. Harry they both have very good managers, we didn't have for 18 months and its hard to see how we can now.
tophobunty1882
Stevenage Hotspur- disagree on Bentaleb...he's out of position an awful lot...not deep enough to be a DM, does track and closes down but only up to the crucial last 3 yards effectively making him useless, his passing or ticking over is often sideways or back and he gives it away when we have no one protecting the middle...yes he's a box to box mid but we don't have players for that system at the moment he looks like Jermain Jenas...dembele isn't a box to box but a damn fine CM he is...but yes don't single him out...there were other poor performers most noticeably in the dug out..
shedboy2
@ SpuriousLife, I doubt if anyone is offended at hearing the bitter truth.... Completely agree with your views...
DaSPURS
Sebastian - And there is the problem, we have an excellent chairman when it comes to financial matters but no idea when it comes to selecting/supporting a manager to grow a team and be successful. I've often wondered what our on the field "plan" is at Tottenham, it's simple we don't have one.
MrSpurs
Always Pleased to help GG.
longtimespur
Really fed up with last nights game. Yes we were lucky to be only 1-0 down at half time but had the linesman done his job properly then at 1-1 and with 11 players on the pitch it could have been a different story. I really hope we appeal and make a fuss because the level of officiating in the premiership this season has been disgraceful. As for us, poor performance from pretty much the whole team and a poor management showing as well. But what do you expect when Tim seems have a total disregard for DM's. Lloris kept the scoreline down (my MOTM) and if I was him I would be so fed up of having to deal with the current defence in front of him. Walker again goes wandering and frequently relies on his pace to get himself out of trouble. Dawson is just not good enough, especially not against strikers of that quality. He just gets turned every time and ends up chasing shadows or hurling himself to the ground. I cannot wait for Vertonghen and Kaboul to come back, and hopefully between those two and Vlad we can have CB sorted. Vlad I thought was one of the better performers and with a leader next to him at CB then I think he will really start to shine. Rose was ok, he put in some better crosses this game, but also some poor ones. I personally thought Siggy didn't help him enough (I'll come to that). Lennon was really poor and did not get in the game, doesn't seem to have the attacking threat he once did. He needs to do more for us at this level. Dembele looked alright, if he worked on his passing (moving it quicker, and slightly more accurately) and his play in the final third, then he could truly become an absolute beast of a midfielder. He's a very good player, but I get the impression that if he worked on a couple of aspects of his game then he could be top class talent. Bentaleb IMO should not have started. There is a time and place to blood youngsters. Starting against Yaya Toure and Fernandinho in a big game is not one of them. He looked really off the pace and his passing was really sloppy. I like him and think he has a big future, but I would like to see him go on loan for the rest of this season. Get some really good game time and develop his game. Siggurdson was non existent. But I'm not surprised to be honest. He's not a left midfielder, yet both AVB and Sherwood have played him there, why can't they see it? Or am I missing something? He is ineffective there because he's out of position. In a central attacking role behind a striker is his position, and he would get goals and assists. Yet we don't play him there, and we also have Eriksen and Holtby who can both play that position. IMO it would be best for both parties if we sold Siggy, I like him and think he's a good player, I just don't think he's going to show that for us because he won't get significant game time in his natural position. Eriksen also seemed slightly off the pace, but to be honest, City's midfield was pretty rampant. Eriksens dead ball delivery was class though, and the more he plays for us in the prem then the better he will get. Ade worked hard and closed down well for the team, but our midfield never supported him, or kept the ball well enough for him to be of any serious threat... As for Tim Sherwood, I think he got it completely wrong, but then I expected as much if he thinks a defensive midfielder is not needed against one of the best attacking teams in the world. Once Capoue came on I thought he played well and justified starting the next match. I cannot see why Siggurdsen started on the left. And to be quite honest, against well run, good teams, Sherwood seems to be out of his depth. His supposed disregard for tactics is really worrying. At this level there has to be tactical discipline. Especially against teams like City. To me, last night it looked like there wasn't, and throughout the whole game they cut through us with ease.
rahn DMC
pele10 are you a spurs fan?
logos8
MrSpurs- you say an excellent chairman when it come to financial matters...so perhaps you can explain the 70m debt that we paid 6m interest on last year? or are you just regurgitating the PR line?
shedboy2
Galway I have an idea on how one of the spurs lads on here could help you out.
tophobunty1882
Until we get this ENIC mob out, there will always be Galway Gooner on here taking the tiss out of us... Can't blame him of course, we would be doing exactly the same, if they had Loser Levy and the scrooge running their club! They would be no Emirates stadium of course had Joe Lewis bought AFC, they would be still be at the tiny old Highbury stadium and Wenger would have been fired 8 seasons back by Loser Levy! You know I speak the TRUTH!!!
Pele10
Refs and officials need to learn how to do their jobs properly. Absolute shambles, they ruined the game completely. Great day out to see the lads play but came away thinking what a joke.. Don’t agree we were outplayed at all, but yes they are a good team. We should have gone in at half time at 1-1 it’s as simple as that and were dominating at the end of the first. The second half would have been different but its hindsight now but no we didn’t not deserve that final score imo. The setup formation wise was ok but I would have tweaked the starting line-up myself. No Rose will not get the card overturned, why bother wasting time? Yes time to knuckle down and get prepared Saturday’s away game. Will the same mistakes be made by the officials in that game>? To be honest, it wouldn’t ******** surprise me. COYS.
SpursOne2
Kong - you can see from the replay that Dawson wasn't offside. But Ade was, and he headed it, so either way it was offside... The worrying thing is that it was a set-piece. Surely part of practicing set-pieces is staying on side before the ball is struck...
TonyRich
When you see that Gylfi and Eriksen are not working and we need a goal why didn't he take Gylfi off and put Soldado on with Eriksen coming in off the left....Lennon despite having a poor game still holds the width on the right....
shedboy2
Now for Timmy Boy. yes we beat and drew with the teams below us in the league, great games to test systems and try out a few youngsters as he did. However when we played Arse and City, he set us up completely wrong with some wrong players on the pitch. It wasnt a day for Bentaleb, Capiue should have started there, and Chadli ahead of soggy for sure. Dawson shouldnt have played, but if the big boys were still not ready limited choices there, and Rose. I cant take watching him as LB any more. Tim needs to get some proper advice, maybe from Hoddle, til the end of the season, a mentor if you like, as he doesnt understand the formations or setups required to beat the teams above us. We can beat them, for sure, but not the way we set up v Arse or city. There. off the chest.
Dublin Hotspur
shutup pele10, the sad gooners on here have naff all to do with our owners and will bore the crap out of us on here regardless...god you need to listen to your self. COYS.
SpursOne2
Just one extra thing about last night. I thought the linesmen were supposed to run the line on the same side of the pitch for each half. ie they call decisions against both teams. Unless my memory is really bad (age lol) wasn't it the SAME linesman responsible for both those bad calls. He flagged Dawson offside (wrongly according to BT Sport commentary, and they asked him at half-time) and then called Rose's tackle illegal, which again was contradicted by BT Sport! In which case they didn't. I didn't record it so I can't check that out. Not that it would make a difference if I was correct.
longtimespur
Pele- some of the apologists remind me of the optimist that fell off a high story building- every window he fell past people heard him saying 'so far, so good'.....;)
shedboy2
Our midfield could not deal with the movement of Manachester city . Bentaleb did ok, how else does a young player learn. He rarely lost the ball and his anticipation and positioning was good. But Dembele walked about then responded as the play passed him by. Not good enough against top teams, just an upgrade on Jenas. Capoue was a improvement so do not know why he was side lined by both Managers, must be a character reason. Danny Rose shows a lot of potential and improvement few wingers get the better of him, Missing all three of our top buys and Townsend so onwards and upwards from here!.
camper
Oh and Timmy boy, dont ever go kissing up another team like that in front of the cameras again. you made yourself and us look like adoring, in awe groupies!
Dublin Hotspur
SpursOne2, I wish the gooners had our owners!
Pele10
shedboy2, ;)
Pele10
dublin - if Levy swallowed his pride he could still call Hoddle and he'd come...but it wouldn't be to work with Tim it would be to replace him. Won't happen though...
shedboy2
TonyRich, if we are going by the official reason for the disallowed goal then it should have been given based on that but you are right Ade was offside. I am not that angry on the offside goal as those kind of decisions happen. The other decision changed the game completely.
Kong
Cheers Logos. Just tired of hearing the same old recycled criticisms or praises on players based purely on either emotion or the fact that several other people have repeated something that a random pundit has stated. In the end you can look at the stats and see who simply isn't up to scratch. For example, people state Bentaleb's pass completion is because he makes 10 yard passes. However this isn't true, and his average pass length is 18m, which is higher than average for our midfield. People could learn a lot from actually watching a player, and not only noticing the mistakes he makes because of a preconceived notion in their mind before the player has even touched the ball.
Stevenage Hotspur
Sherwood's interview after seemed like he accepted the defeat even before it happened. No anger shown or anything.
Kong
Pele10 - whilst I am happy with our owners, I do not expect everyone else to be. But what I do not understand is your desire to want all of them to change. Why "ENIC out" and not just "Levy out"? They can appoint another Chairman you know. Even if you want them "out", they will not be 100% out, they will still own a large proportion of the club. For example Alan Sugar continuing to have money in Spurs past his chairmanship. What you are wanting (in almost every post) is unrealistic and completely ignoring the fact that the new owners could be actually worse. At least ENIC has us financially sound, building a stadium, getting our record points total last year, got us finishing 4th twice, got us into the champions league and up to the quarter finals, got us a trophy, broke our transfer record paid a few times, broke our transfer record recouped a few times, got us a better squad, better players, and so on... It hasn't always been smooth and mistakes have been made, and everyone in positions of power will make mistakes. Not saying they are perfect, but we got our record points last season! We are currently matching it right now. You cannot complain about everything if we do that.
TonyRich
logo 8. We can do it. We just won't.
jonathan01
*Siggy, not Soggy* thats unfair on the lad.
Dublin Hotspur
Thats a great shout Shedboy, TS should have brought on Soldado and moved eriksen left and allowed to wander. Robby and Ade had been doing some great work together on, and apparently off the pitch.
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin you are a tactical genius mate
tophobunty1882
Kong, he was acting like a young fella who got free tickets to watch city play, and enjoyed it. He seemed to actually enjoy watching his own team getting beaten! thats mad, maybe its the gooner in him coming out.
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin I do agree with you ref TS bigging up City after, that's just weak and should never be done, we could and should have made much more of a game of it and would if TS had set us up better. But your suggestion to go the same way as we did away to arsenal at 442 as some kind of solution is as naive as Sherwood was last night. You need to compete against City in the middle and he lost that chance playing Saggy and not Capoue...442 were you joking?
tophobunty1882
camper - a young player learns by playing but we're not a training academy (or are we?) Bentaleb needs a loan to learn his trade and prove himself....they all have a bad game but a PL top4 player must also be consistent....no one (including Tim) knows if he can keep performance levels high over a season (some coaches get blinded by good trainers, pitch time and performance is a much better indicator) so get him out on loan...it's not as though we're light in CM....
shedboy2
Tops, shed deserves the glory for that strategic masterclass!
Dublin Hotspur
So Pele, did you watch the match or not?
MAN ON!
Tops, I never said go 4-4-2 against city! I said he set us up wrong for both games.
Dublin Hotspur
It was always going to be a tough game and City exploited all of our weaknesses. Run at Dawson, No DM to cover in the hole or to double up on the wings. Their passing was slick, their movement was excellent and fortunate for us their striking woeful. Not sure what Tim wanted to achieve with his team and the formation, we had Lennon and Ade as the only real pace with Rose and Walker attempting to overlap down the flanks leaving massive gaps and no DM to clean up? When we did eventually get into the game it was if anything but a parting gift as City cleaned up with ease and confidence. I'm not impressed that we always start so poor, it's really sad if that's our game plan. We must press hard and look at maintaining our shape as a prerequisite. We saw this last time out but again I think in all the matches Tim is in charge we look very much out of shape. This game is not a season changer but breaks open some wounds that we are in no position to challenge for the Top of the PL. A few big players coming back and I hope Tim continues looking for his best formation but seriously not against the top teams Tim
Mix26
GG is not taking the pi$$ out of us, I can do that and I'm a spurs fans, his post is purely that of a pub conversation, he hoped we would do some damage vs City and help his team, only City had other ideas about that, we can however help City out vs his team. Pele I asked you if you thought ENIC could win in the game article, but once again you never posted anything, until Cider's article and once again it's a cop and paste effort, why don't you phuck off and do us all a favour, Levy is Levy get used to it.
spu 4 life
Dublin Shewrood did not enjoy watching his own team lose last night and he is not an Arsenal fan.
tophobunty1882
yes such a bad idea to put Soldado on and take Gylfi off...I'm sure we would be over run in mid by their 4...it's not as though we didn't need a goal...fyi they didn't set up like Arsenal...guess that must have passed Tim by as well...
shedboy2
I thought the whole point of bringing in Sherwood was we would go at them from the off, play a 4-4-2 and basically impose ourselves on them and therefore not give them a chance to play. And if we fall on our sword so be it - at least we went down playing the 'Spurs way'. That was the line and what everyone wanted. All i want is a plan and consistency. I don't see either at the moment. I agree with others that Levy's mis-management of a multi-million pound business (on the football side) is almost comical. Our best squad of players in the PL era with a complete novice entrusted to manage it and no money left because the previous manager with completely different ideas and football philosophies spent it all - you couldn't make it up.
StillRickyVilla
who was it that said Tim would know the difference between Palace and City? lol....it seems when he has time to work with the team we see inept performances...end of the new manager bounce landed with a thud.
shedboy2
THE FACT IS we are not as good as we or even the bloody manager thinks we are. To say “we don’t need to strengthen” is just arrogant. All the top teams in Europe have strengthened but no, not THFC as we have the likes of Chadli, siggurdson, Lennon Dawson, to count on!!! We have spent a lot of money on a lot of crap! AGAIN!!! Time for Levy to go, get rid of the whole bloody regime and let ENIC appoint another chairman. Get phucking graham Carr back as well as the scouts we have haven’t a clue. Im so phucking angry this morning. How many more batterings must we suffer this year. We are a joke of a club at this minute in time. An absolute laughing stock. And the real punch line will be the surprise amongst the supports when Lloris, Vertonghen etc handing a transfer request in the summer. I bet our players loved watching Sherwood grovelling around the feet of the “city superstars” like some teenage girl with a crush. WE ARE A JOKE!!!
hudderspur
Sherwood proclaiming that City is the best team in the world is just embarrassing
Madaboutspurs
Think about this. We had some of our best players on the comeback. They have only played 45-60 minutes since injury. City are too bloody good so why risk them when we would probably have lost anyway because the returning players would not have been at peak fitness ... and they would surely have needed to be. That was the reality. So, why not take a chance on the 3 points and focus on the following games that we must, and can, win to catch up. If we had lost and Verts, Pauli, or Sandro suffered further injury we could well drop points in the next winnable games. And that would have been disastrous! Good call TS.
Geofspurs
Spu 4 Life - I actually wanted you lot to win last night as it would have been a real boost to us. Having said that when it was clear that you weren't going to do us any favours I was hoping you get a real beating ;-)

Its going to be very tight for that 4th spot, United could well come right back into it and you guys need your big players back pretty sharpish to stay in touch.

As for us, simples - win our next 15 games in the league and we'll take the title, easy. Right?

Galway Gooner
Pele/sheboy – You are both as clueless as yesterday’s officials. One has no plan to take us forward past shouting ENIC out! and the other wants to take us forward…by going backwards…Apologists? Well I do feel a bit sorry for you both…actually no I don’t. COYS.
SpursOne2
So after TEN days worth of preparation and working on tactics as well as sussing out Citeh we are not really any further than we were before TS took over. THIS was the true benchmark and as such we were found seriously wanting. Not slagging off TS but I think we should have done far better. Like I said though, why risk your best players duct coming back from injury in a game that you already think you will lose.
chrishove123
wow the air in here already feels cleaner....
shedboy2
SpursOne2- clueless? why don't you enlighten me?
shedboy2
For the most part the players dreadfully (almost embarrassingly in some cases) out of form and confused last night. And there did not appear to be any real plan out there on the pitch. We will win some, lose some but with Liverpool looking like real contenders with the bit between the teeth and Man U's forward line about to look scary with Rooney, RVP, Mata I fear for us. And in the summer I fear for the futures of Lloris, Verts and the other CL quality players if we do not make the top 4. Why would they possibly want to stay? We need to get back on track on Saturday. We have to somehow get in the top 4 and get the long-term stability of the head coach role sorted out.
StillRickyVilla
I'm not going to castigate Bentaleb too much. The simple fact of the matter is he should not have played. He's raw, and oozes potential, but last night was not (yet) the stage to throw him to the lions. And even saying that, he was far from our worst performer last night. Sigurdsson didn't even achieve the rank of abysmal, he was simply non-existent and an absolute waste of a position. Erikson, dead balls aside, had his worst game in a Spurs shirt. Walker proved once again that he is, at heart, a frustrated right winger and not even a particularly good one. Lennons best (only?) contributions were defensive/tracking, only once actually travelled with the ball and that was when he switched over to the left. Dembele is wasted and weak when asked to anchor the midfield rather than spearhead it. And Rose, whilst slightly unlucky to be dismissed, has only himself to blame for being wrong side of his man and was consistently caught out all night. All in all though, despite everything I've said, there were really no surprises after I saw how we were set up. Sherwood got this game very wrong, and I sincerely hope he addresses and accepts that rather than paying further lip-service to the (very deserved) victors in the future. If they'd been a bit more clinical, we could/should have shipped 4 or 5 goals in the first half an hour. We were the very definition of deers in the headlights. There's no shame in losing to this Man City team, but you can do it with pride and go down fighting if you carry a bit of fire in your belly. Too many players last night were defeated before a ball was kicked, and that is not acceptable. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that out top boys recover at a rapid rate and give us the steel and quality we sorely lacked last night. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
shedboy - Impossible!
SpursOne2
I don't think it's a crime for Tim to praise City, but at least then own up to getting it wrong. He did not protect the club,players or himself with those comments. Tim u are in the big league now with serious "professionals" , I suggest at the very least make a real statement rather than licking arse!
Mix26
Hudder, I feel the pain, i too have to face the world again, after another thrashing. "what happened to you lot again" etc. But there are some positives to take out of it. IF Ts gets his head together, and stops acting in awe of his position, and the teams we play, gets the big boys back and playing a system that suits each game we play, we can still sneak into that 4th spot. Big if, but we did have a few players who put in a good performance yesterday, and with the the big boys coming back we can beat Arse, Everton, pool, chelsea will be tough but we can get a draw at least there, and go on beating the teams below us. Injuries amongst the competition will happen, and that can only benefit us. We need a new manager though, I hated the drooling he did after the game, and i bet the players did too. and I dont think he will build the system we need.
Dublin Hotspur
SpursOne2- I agree....;)
shedboy2
Well said Lily, SRV and mix!
Dublin Hotspur
Well at least one poster woke up with a big smile and couldn't wait to post on VS today, am sure he has alot to say until we win a few games!!!!!......

SRV 442 against City, yeah right good one !!!!Also funny how now we lost AVB your expectations has gone up, we have to get top4 somehow??? wasn't saying this 3 months ago.

Anyway game was lost in midfield, esp after Dembele came off, we were nowhere, City (played very well, has to be said) played thru us time and time again, TS has to learn otherwise we might even make Europa next season. Im guessing the majority no longer think we gonna 4th??
Ossie
a red card for conceding a corner and someone says dont appeal it. Now that is clueless!
topspur53
I actually feel bad for the officials today even though I'm probably their worst critics. There is and always will be some sort of bias decision in football, weather honest or devious. The problem lies in the fact that they are own their own the officials, if they screw up then the FA has no real backbone to stand on other than banning anyone who has a bad word to say? Nobody is good enough not to be questioned, it's imperative to learn from these horrific showing from officials but where and how are blanketed by be careful who u talk to....
Mix26
So I said we had to give Tim almost 10 games.... but at the 9th I have drawn my conclusions, ROLL ON THE SUMMER. Utterly shambolic, decisions made senseless. How and why is Sigurdsson brought into a team, that jumpy shirt puller at right back is still truly terrible, I wont go on again about how Danny Rose is not a left back, Dawson was once again out classed and left his partner in the lurch......... Midfield a joke! We are taking some huge backwards steps here we aren't close to the team of Redknapp, right now the summer can't come quick enough get rid of the old boys club running the team and making ridiculous statement, Sir Les I had a lot of respect for but claiming Makelele was the worst thing to happen to the Premier League you are a fool! The only reason Tim looks good is we have spent the last few weeks playing some of the most out of form dross sides in the PL. Coming in Tim your time is up.
fletch77
Ossie, my point is that we are now rudderless, without a plan and with a manager who is clearly temporary (unless he shocks us all). This is not a recipe for keeping your best players which is why i believe top 4 is the only way of keeping them. If we have a plan, a strategy and an identity at least the players feel they are part of a bigger project, that we are focussed on where we are going and therefore the ultimate short-term reward of top 4 is not so essential to keeping the players. If that makes sense? In terms of my expectations I believe and always believed we are a top 6 team competing for 1 available spot against numerous other teams who have stronger claims - i do not 'expect' 4th just saying the importance, given the circumstances and uncertainties of our situation of us reaching it. Re. the system as i said, all i want is consistency of approach and a strategy from the top for the players to buy into - we are getting neither, Sherwood seems to be feeling his way into the job himself and as a result the players looked confused and directionless.
StillRickyVilla
Guys, please listen to me when I say this……….THERS IS NO CHANCE WE WILL FINISH IN THE TOP FOUR…………..we will lose again to Liverpool, Chelsea, maybe draw everton, lose to arsenal, draw against Newcastle……that’s already how many points dropped. Anyone that thinks we will finish above Liverpool or even united at present is kidding themselves. Sherwood said that we would do no business unless something dramatic happened in the next few days. Well…..something’s happened……..ANOTHER SPANKING AT HOME!!!!
hudderspur
firstly why would any one think that Tim was going to be an upgrade on AVB? Secondly, why do people get carried away by a few good results, those results over shadowed what was blatantly obvious to me, we have been weak in midfield, no protection in front of back four, defense weak, striker that cannot score (Soldado), poor on the left (Still). We have regressed imo under Tim, I am not taken in by these recent wins and this idea of better football, our football has been ok but we have been lucky, we have gone back to the days of attacking football with 'no idea' about how to defend as a team and we work on the notion that if we score more goals we win. Pathetic, how many years regression is that notion. This is the PL of 2014 where as much as we want to score goals and be entertaining we also have to know how to beat the best teams otherwise we will continue missing out of the top four and players will continue to leave.

I actually think AVB was building a project of trying to build from the back, build a team that was hard to beat and then the attacking would eventually come good, but we were impatient, and yes we had some heavy defeats under AVB but the fans, board and media had already put the boot in before those defeats came. The fans wanted entertaining football, the media were out for AVB from the beginning and the board let him down with the sale of ?Bale and probably bringing players in that he didn't want. When your building a different mentality as AVB was it takes time and it is bound to bring some poor games, but the ethos was there.

If fans want this open naive football then so be it but no point crying about it when we finish sixth. If players want to play undisciplined then go and play for a mid table team. Tottenham have lost their way, it is depressing times at the club imo. The club is getting lost in a black hole, and it is becoming more and more difficult to make that final step into the top four because we have a reputation of hiring and firing managers too often.

Expectations are too high from the fans and board. We cannot compete with City or Utd or Chelsea financially, and probably Arsenal to a degree. For us to get into top four we need cash injection, stability in the management and to hold on to our best players, non of these are happening. Until they do, don't expect top four imo.

I believe if Levy had stayed to his word that Bale wasn't going to be sold and we brought in three players we would have been in with a chance this season. AVB was let down by the selling of Bale, now we have quantity over quality, and the funny thing is we are still struggling for numbers in certain positions, LB, LW and CM, you couldn't write the script, or could you when it comes to Spurs.

Tim has come in thinking he can do it, well sorry so do I, not thinking Tim can do it, but I can do it, get us top four, but I wasn't offered the job. Sorry, but 'thinking' is not enough, where is his credentials, if we all got what we want because we 'think' we ca do it, and we talk the talk then God knows what life would be like. Imagine, someone talking the talk saying I can cure that person who has a brain tumor, and they were put in charge of accomplishing that act. Tim was and is a stupid appointment, a huge gamble and a gamble with so many international players careers and WC dreams. They didn't sign up to play under a rookie, they signed up to AVB vision and if it didn't work then fair enough, they took a chance on him and his ideas, if this doesn't work under TIm they will being saying, I didn't sign up for this vision, tese ideas, I'm off.

Last nights game was appalling from the start no matter how good City are. Any one knows you cannot 'out play' City and that you need to compete and keep it tight, so why oh why did we play a rookie in midfield over a international, why did we play Siggy in a position that he has shown time and time again he cannot play, that is two mistakes, two that could have been avoided. We could have played Capoue, Chadli would have been better on the left than Siggy. As I see it Tim is naive and he actually believes in his own believes. Come on we are supposed to be a professional multi million pound club with loads of international players at our disposal, is it really professional to give the job to a rookie who 'thinks' they can play open against a team like City.

From what I saw in the first twenty minutes I would have taken Siggy off, and brought Capoue on, simple, Mourinho would have done, he has done that before. However, I would have been playing Capoue for the last few games and brought Bentaleb on towards the end. I have seen nothing of Bentaleb to suggest to me he is ready to be a starter, he has potential but a starter in a team that is fighting for top four no way.
WorldPeace
Fletch77 it is crazy to think that Tim got the job out of sheer dumb luck. His winning % is high and coincides with Ade and Erikson playing outstanding. I think it's fair to say that the players are the ones being let down here. Holtby and Capoue are genuine talent that gets overlooked despite poor performances from others. The only way I feel Tim can get us 4th is when he makes the key decision to drop Dawson, Walker and Rose and build the def back up again.
Mix26
Nothing I can add to the excellent posts on this disastrous game,except this:Southampton outplayed the gooners last night with the sort of football we can only dream about, despite spending £100 million.I can only repeat ad nauseum get Pochettinno in asap before another big club grabs him.Tim is nice but dim!
Greavesaboveall
spurticus87-agree. Some comments Tim has made since taking over would have been all over the media if he was foreign, he is getting away with it because he is English.

I agree with you re Dembele, I said it before he is holding us back in midfield, he neither defends properly or creates enough, yet he has the skill and potential, but unless he does one or the other and as I see it then it has to be create and score then he is of no use at this level.

Siggy has got worse, he had a good spell when he score some goals, but I think the problem with him is he doesn't fit into our system and the players around him. He is a Swansea, Southampton type player. Bentaleb, I have seen nothing great and feel for him because he has been thrown in but I can see it ending in tears.
WorldPeace
Top post WP
Mix26
WorldPeace ... I agree with some of your 'War and Peace' effort, but we should not lose sight of the fact that we were playing a brilliant team that few other teams in the world could have lived with. They are complete destroyers at the moment! How good do you think we are? What did you expect?
Geofspurs
WorldPeace - you are right that Sherwood is probably not the man to take us forward but neither was AVB. They have very different approaches to football but neither was or (as appears likely) will be successful for us at Spurs. We have some very good players, some good players and some that are lucky to be at Spurs. What we need is a manager who is a WINNER. Knows how to WIN. Wants to WIN. Will not tolerate NOT WINNING. Will get rid of the players that are either not good enough or do not have the right mental attitude to become WINNERS. Mr Van Gaal we need you a lot more than some will admit or possibly realise. However if we're to get him in the summer we have to hope that he relishes a challenge because boy is he going to have one.
SpuriousLife
we all need to manage expectations i feel
ghulamville
totally agree with last few posts. having seen Sherwoods comments after the game, is it any wonder we play with such a lack of heart.
topspur53
WP, we don't have a system.
Dublin Hotspur
Shed he played 442 against palace and 451 against city, yes? You simply have personal prejudices against spurs players and directors, it's pathetic and no point in trying to go two way with you. Look around you now where you sit and see where it gets you in life. Not great is it.
tophobunty1882
Dublin-I am corrected, your right we don't.
WorldPeace
SpuriousLife could not agree more! I'm a terrible loser but it drives me harder to not lose!
Mix26
geofspurs-first I expected the manager to pick the best team for the job. Secondly, I expected the players to fight harder, I expected the players to pass the ball to their own players and not the opposition and I expected the manager to change things when it was blatantly obvious those on the pitch were not doing what they ought to be doing.

I know City are very good but Tim said to us that we were ready, we can harm them, they have weaknesses to exploit, well I did not see any of that last night. We didn't take the game to them, we didn't exploit their weaknesses, Tim went on about and we didn't fight hard enough. neither did we do the basics right, how many times did we give the ball away. That was hat I expect, not a win, not even a draw, but a performance of guts and hard working ethos and the ability to do the basics.
WorldPeace
I think the problem is we expect too much from a decent PL squad, they are nothing more or nothing less. The teams above us are CL Squads and the gulf in quality has shown in the games against them this season. We have sold most of the family jewels in previous windows and replaced them with crap from Ratners!! The truth is we will have to flog Lloris and vert this summer too!!
WestStandEnclosure
Didn't Tim say he would take desire over talent, well I did not see any desire last night, so may be we needed the talent last night Tim and you have got it wrong.
WorldPeace
Agree we need a ruthless manager that will take no crap from the players or the board. That will not tolerate this lustless performances and these school boy errors and one that has a winning mentality and gets the players he needs to do the job.
WorldPeace
World Peace, I like your essay.
Madaboutspurs
Madaboutspurs-lol I am just passionate, I know it is not everybody's cup of tea but I love my club and football, so I have a lot to say lol Well I am off now until then next episode, deadline transfer day.
WorldPeace
Another Daniel Levy/Enic Humiliation as Chelsea and the Arse continue to dominate us, and yet Danny Boy's loyal fan club members are still on here singing the losers praises for having the worst trophy per season percentage of any THFC owners since world war 2, for only qualifying for the CL once in 14 seasons, (about to be 15), and for still not raising a single penny for the new stadium. As confirmed by THFC director Sir Keith Mills in an official club statement in last summers window... "To do that, (raise the finance) the club need to sell the naming rights. “We don’t have that in place and that’s an integral part of the financing,” says Mills. “Once we get that, it’ll open up the rest of the funding.”... Who's going to put up 350/450 million quid to have their name on a stadium that does not exist, at a club with no CL football, a club with an empty trophy cabinet, a club with a total control freak loser of a chairman ruining the show??? Joe Lewis Out!!!
Pele10
I think our midfielders had a off day, dembele and erickson are class !! What worries me is i now know for FACT, we cant get top 4 with Dawson and Walker playing week in week out, not to mention Rose, who is poor, sorry people he aint top draw !! I dont think he will make it at THFC unless we are happy with finishing 6-8th every year !! The point is we have always needed better defenders, but have just bought midfielders for the last 3 years, i cant believe a top club doesn't have people on board that can see that !!
LOcE1980
tops- you may have noticed (although you're not too quick on the uptake) I've stopped addressing you since your totally uncalled for, unjustifiable, false, base and yes libelous comments on another thread...you want pathetic look in a mirror.
shedboy2
We lost, we were awful and it's raining again….. Won 5, drawn 1, lost 1. That's not bad form is it?
MAN ON!
Spurious, AVB may have not being the answer but not to give him till the end of the season was senseless. To appoint an unqualified rookie as his successor was a either a massive gamble or an even a more senseless decision. We saw against Arsenal that when you are playing a top side unless you attempt to nullify their midfield you are going to lose 9 times out of 10, ok, a rookie manager will make mistakes, but not to learn from it and make the same mistake against City it leaves two questions, is it naivety or stupidity?
ItalianYiddo
WorldPeace ... I take your points. I expected TS to pick the best team that was available, and apart from not starting Capoue, perhaps he did. I agree changes should have been made earlier. The next games are more important so he could not risk Vert, Sandro, Pauli. City were awesome and their pressure, passing, and running, forced many of our passing errors. I started to feel optimistic during the last 20 minutes of the first half because, somehow, we were still in the game and starting to play. So the performance did improve for a while. That all went pear-shaped with the penalty. TS has to say motivational things, whether they are true or not, whether he believes them or not. That's part of his job. Generally speaking, the game lived up to my expectations, but not my hopes ... conflicts from head and heart! However, should our performance be the same against Hull I will be very upset ... different expectations altogether.
Geofspurs
The only chance we had against City was for every player to be on top of his game, and for it all to come together as a top team performance ... that was a huge ask in the circumstances.

MAN ON ... Not bad at all. In fact I'd take a repeat of that over the next 7 games!
Geofspurs
I am happy to stick with Sherwood as he gains experience but he needs help from injured players coming back.We have been missing Vertonghen, Paulinho, and Sandro for an outrageous length of time. George Graham used to take stick for allegedly trying to bully players off the treatment table but I am beginning to understand Grahams point of view. We are not getting a proper season from our best players
cynicspur
Geofspurs, Hi….. I'm not trying to detract from what was a very bad display against a very good one from City. I'm just trying to put another perspective on it all. Some are saying we will not make top 4 and writing off our season as though we are in a relegation struggle. I of course don't know how the season will pan out but I cannot write us off when our recent form was only second to City's before last night.
MAN ON!
ItalianYiddo avb made far more mistakes than sherwood. we scored 15 goals in 16 games under him. 14 in 6 games under sherwood and we only lost once so far under him in the epl and it was to the best team that averages 3 goals per match.
logos8
logos, we have a deal if you remember, let's wait till the end of the season and we will assess.
ItalianYiddo
ItalianYiddo yes, but so far I don't think it's fair to trash TS. He has done better than everyone was expecting him to do in the EPL... so far
logos8
actually TS has done so well so far in making us score goals that I think it proves that letting avb go was a right decision. Under AVB we would have played soldado, ade exiled, and probably only 5 goals in 6 games instead of the 14 under Tim.
logos8
Dear Pele, please please please can you invest your billions into our club transforming us from a top 6 side into the next world beaters! I am assuming the fact you haven't is either your cash is still tied up in the premium bonds or you don't have billions or know someone with a few quid to hand and looking to buy a football club! We have owners that have us on a steady footing, I admit we are in need of a boost and I'd love to see us spending millions but unfortunately we aren't that club. Deal with it or better yet go support that team across london that spend millions unfortunately that's what you got. YAWN
fletch77
SRV that was a very good response, you have a very valid point!!!
Ossie
Also I can't agree that there was no fight in the team last night. There was. Rose was a good example of it. What I did see is sloppy passing and some naivety, tactically and in general play. I saw a nervous team that were lacking confidence in each others ability. Not good, but fixable. We did not play well but I really can't see this one match as being the template for the rest of our season. COYS!
MAN ON!
bad luck running out on city - not bad
SpursWho
Man on, the worry is that against decent teams we don't have a plan and our midfield looks weak, even Palace outplayed us and were unlucky not to go 2 up at half time.
ItalianYiddo
man on- hope you're right if this is the template we're fecked....but then again we did perform the same as we did against Palace..
shedboy2
MAN ON ... I totally agree. Any team that wants to define their season on a game against City at the moment is in big trouble. We just need to perform well against the teams around us and let the top five take points off each other.
Geofspurs
Last night was ruined by Rose's sending off, still could have won it and we were unlucky not to be 1-1 at that point. Obviously City were by far the better team but at 1-0 it is anyone's game.

Yes Bentaleb should have started, he has been an integral part of the team since Sherwood took over and we had won 5 out of 6. No he should not start NEXT game as he had a poor match last night, Capoue deserves a chance now but not before.

Forget last night, Sherwood should be judged on the next two games, if we beat Hull and Everton, which I think we will then he is still doing exceptionally well. Then judge him again against Arsenal to see how he does against Top Teams, by that time he will have quality players (Paulinho, Sandro, Verts) all back and 3 months of time to get his management thoughts across.
T.H.F.Chris
Well, for me, i believe we do have some top4 worthy talent in our squad. I do however have to agree with Spurious' post regarding our apparent "scaredness" of playing the so called big teams. We seem to give teams the upperhand just by our mindset. We appear to accept the inevitable defeat without little belief in our own ability. It is not something that has just happened, it's been going on a while. Why the self belief seems to have disappeared i know not why, talking the talk is one thing, but actions speak louder than words. This season has been a shambles, we seem void of ideas, passion, desire. A collection of players but, not a cohesive unit. Maybe for the first time i'm thinking, did we cock our summer business up?. I know "gelling" takes time and injuries, but i'm getting to the point of thinking something that i thought i would not. Do we need major changes again?. We have a great spine in the team, but alot of those who play around it are way of the required level or not putting in the required performances. Can they be coached to improvement or are the Likes of Rose, dawson, Walker, Lennon to name a few, actually holding us back?.
Cider spurs
THF Chris, we were lucky not to be 4 or 5 down by half time, and no, Benteleb should not have started, Sherwood is asking too much from the boy, not the game for him. Naive to say the least to go against City and don't attempt to contain them.
ItalianYiddo
Cider, bringing so many players in was never going to work short term, if you are looking at the long term, different story......we are going to jerk our way to the next re-build. Would Levy have sacked Moyes by now? Most probably, will United finish strongly, most probably.
ItalianYiddo
Shed, libelous...ooo you big boy why dont you get your team of lawyers on to me, I am sure you have one..................SRV if we now have a manager who is "clearly temporary" how can we therefore not have a plan? please explain. ...Italian why are you so much more high profile when things go bad for the team?
tophobunty1882
topspur53… I'd say that we are nowhere near as bad as some on here think we are.
MAN ON!
Out of the top clubs Liverpool still have to play Chelsea, City, Man Utd, Arsenal and us. We only have to play Arsenal and Chelsea until the end of the season. It can go down the wire at the end for 4th. We have what it takes.
logos8
logos ... Precisely! Win most of the games that we could win, any points from Arsenal, United, Liverpool and Chelsea is a bonus, let the top teams destroy each other ... and come the end of the season we could be looking good! In theory! :-)
Geofspurs
Cider of course we cocked our summer business up, it was obvious then as it was unravelling that at least 3 of the deals were hugely questionable...at least. Its not only the players and the positions they play in but the fact all 7 had no prem experience and some of the money we paid for some, it was a total farce...i am not being wise after the event i was shout it all the way through the window on here...farce.
tophobunty1882
logos logic tells us we play liverpool as well, but see where you are going
tophobunty1882
its a 3 horse race for 4th. and we are one of the horses.
tophobunty1882
topho, I posted before the game stating that we needed to check their midfield and playing Bentaleb would be a mistake. That was before things went bad for the team. Prophecy or bog standard common sense?
ItalianYiddo
We have now conceded as many home goals this season as for the whole of last season.
Love totty
you canat lay the blame at Bentelab for last night, he didnt play when we shipped 5 at home to pool or 6 away to this lot, you are just finding a stick shed like...come one man...go look at every post match day thread since the sacking of AVB count your posts on each and I bet you they are far higher when we have lost and drawn than when we had won, that was the point you know I was making, now do you want to count them or do you want me to get someone to count the for you?
tophobunty1882
arsenal home, pool away, chelsea away, newcastle away, everton home to finish in the top 4 we have to win all of these and make life easier for ourselves , can we do that? Then you have teams trying to stay in the prem, can we beat them, like wet spam away? The saving grace is we have avoided relegation. A tricky away game coming up at the mighty Hull tigers this weekend and with a side and squad not good enough for champions league football, but we keep pushing for that 4th spot. Who really benefits from such a place £££££ in the pocket, to go through the same shi7 we have had for the last god knows how many seasons so close, yet so far, Next season it will be arsenal, chelsea, city again in the top 3 man u will not have another season like this one, they could still grab fourth. I have to be honest, I see us as a 5/6/7th placed team unless we can spend stupid money on over priced players, with more billions backing us up and that is never going to happen.
spu 4 life
spu 4 life.. A very sober and honest post but, realistic and not at all knee-jerk. I agree with you….
MAN ON!
topho, we shipped 6 against City but we gave them a game most of their goals down to individual mistakes, starting with Llorris 14 seconds into the game, we went to boss the game till Llorris dropped another clanger and made it two nil. We went on to get 7 shots on target, so the 6-0 not quite the full picture. Last night, at home, we never got a look in, lucky not to be 5 down at half time. Not blaming Bentaleb, I am blaming the guy that put him in the team for that game. Would you have put him in?
ItalianYiddo
Italian sorry mate I am not really getting this, are you telling us you are really clever because you say we lost the game because TS played Bentelab and you said we would before the game if he played Bentelab? is that what you are saying here?
tophobunty1882
To me Lloris was our MOTM last night. After conceding 5, that doesn't say much for the rest.
MAN ON!
Dawson our Captain, throwing his body on the line in last ditch tackles, brave as a lion, but plays like a donkey, that's why teams let him have the ball and don't close him down. We have a top keeper, with a crazy right back, a donkey as a captain, chiriches all at sea and rose a accident waiting to happen. what a top class back four that is.
spu 4 life
City fan here. In Erikssen, you have the best set piece deliverer in the epl. Lloris' save was top drawer. It was a penalty and red card (yes Rose got the ball but only after his trailing leg catches the back of Dzeko's leg - incidentally the one he was about to pull the trigger with). Defenders shouldn't give referees/linesman decisions to make. Percentage call for Rose was to let Dzeko shoot. If he scores - and going on last night's performance, that was far from a given - at least you still have 11 men. City should have had a penalty for Bentaleb's juggling exhibition. Lennon is poor, so is Siggurdson. What's going on with Lamela? £30m???
rojo2010
topho, nothing clever, bog standard common sense. You cannot go head to head against City they are better, the only thing you can do is stop them from playing and hopefully get something from the game. So would you have put Bentaleb in instead of Capoue or even Holtby to stop them from playing?
ItalianYiddo
We are still not good enough, cant beat teams above us, so do not deserve top 4..simple really. Our MF was seriously weak, and as MOTD alan hansen showed moosa & bentelb not defending.. Sherwood needs his ideas changed.. top class teams are strong and play best players in crucial games, DMF always...our 19 yr old boy was BAD CHOICE...Now lets do to Hull what city did to us.. and show that we are much better than in the 2 games we played Hull earlier this season. COYS
Block D Spurs
What did Bentaleb do wrong last night? The question should be what did our back four do right, what did lennon do all night and what was the point of Siggy-gurgitate doing on the field?
spu 4 life
sandro, paulinho and verts are badly missed, 3 top players we need them back in the side ASAP
spu 4 life
Italian i know we made mistakes away to city and as did at home to them and at home to west ham and liverpool, we make mistakes in every game, but you cant blame last nights defeat on TS selection of Bentelab, just like Shed blamed our first half of the season on Townsend.....................you could have played both and not played Siggy....Dembele in front of the other two...that was the obvious thing to do but you cant see it because you want to vent at TS/Bentelab because of the corner you put yourself in over AVB, you know that and I know that, but one of us wont say it....a bit like AVB not sticking his hands up ....this is your stick to beat, its growing more common on here sadly.
tophobunty1882
topho. would you have selected Bentaleb for last nights game?
ItalianYiddo
spu 4 life, I take back what I just wrote about your post….. ;-)
MAN ON!
Italian my choices are documented before the game, i wanted a holder 100% but we didn't need to drop Bentelab to do that and we did not lose the game last night because Bentelab played.
tophobunty1882
If anything, it was our more experienced players that let us down last night….
MAN ON!
the poor choice last night was Siggy over Capoue IMO. Betelab has played very well for us Siggy never has IMO. and Bentelab has played well for us in very recent matches, Siggy has not. Did I want Sherwood as manager? No, had I seen Bentelab play before Sherwood took over No? Am i going on a crusade to blame one player to prove myself right over that issue or another previous issue i committed to? no never, do others do that? yes... are others doing that on this thread? yes.
tophobunty1882
We didn't lose because Bentaleb played, but we were overrun in midfield because we had no defensive players in that midfield and against City naive to say the least. Why no start for Capoue?
ItalianYiddo
Man On, this is simply people on here trying to take advantage of a bad situation to prove themselves correct over something they committed to publicly on here previously and which put them in a corner after events unfolded against their view. It's sad but it happens on here often and its going well on this thread, I can see 3 peops at it without reading everything....
tophobunty1882
topho, as I said before Bentaleb has no blame and credit to Sherwood to bringing him into the team, but not against Arsenal and City and even against United he wasn't effective.
ItalianYiddo
Italian I agree 100% Capoue should have started and said it before the game in the match thread, but I just could see now way that Sherwood would play Siggy, who is awful everytime he plays. To me it was simple given the injuries it was Swansea away swapping Chadli for Capoue.
tophobunty1882
Italian 442 was the problem away to arsenal not Bentelab, there were 2 of our is that midfield against the 3 of Arsenal, why not pick on the other.....it was neither of them to blame and utter blind stupidity to blame Bentelab 442 away to Arsenal with our injuries was the problem without any doubt
tophobunty1882
Fact is a lot of players struggled last night. Siggy and Lennon had a miserable night and even if Dembele and Capoue played together I still think we would have lost the game. It seemed the tactic in the 1st half was to deliver the ball to Ade and the rest to feed off him. Thing was after 10 min both the City midfield and defence were on top of him and Ade for all his effort couldn't link up. Eriksen was missing, though his dead ball deliveries were sublime. Dembele's passing was way off but he got the better of Yaya until Yaya's awful challenge on him. We are missing key players in Paulinho, Vert, Kaboul, Townsend and Lamela. Get them back and we will feel a lot better. COYS!
James1
Italian we weren't lucky not to be 4 or 5 down City were not good enough to score them; Dawson being given offside was unlucky, could easily have stood. You may think that sound pedantic but if Soldado had missed 5 chances you wouldn't say City were lucky not to be 5 down but we were too bad to score them. Bentaleb deserved to start and should have been picked as no one on the bench has done anything to prove they would have been better.
T.H.F.Chris
James that really is how it was, we were always highly likely to lose that one even if we had played all the returning players. To me the only sensible change was the one listed in my previous post. It's gone, what we cant do now is make it worse at the weekend , we simply must beat Hull. What galls me it the emotional jump on our younger players who are playing above what could have been expected of them, first Townsend and now the poor Bentelab. Kinda spineless.
tophobunty1882
No point risking our "star players" in a hiding ot nothing.Send our Siggy and let him prove his worth or make it very easy to move him own (from our boards point of view, will be difficult from everyones POV)! we only lost 1-5 so we are improving another 3-4 games against city at this rate and we'll get a draw...
Slurms McKenzie
topho, Capoue was available for the Arsenal game and should have started ahead of Bentaleb, same as last night. Last night, I would have had Chadli on the left, Dembele and Capoue in the middle, Lennon on the right and Holtby in front of the back four. Wouldn't have been quite so easy for City.
ItalianYiddo
THF Chris, did you see the game? The 5-1 flatters us.
ItalianYiddo
THF Chris i think that's really fair. We were 1-0 down and had an onside goal ruled out for offside, which team was unlucky? which was wasteful?
tophobunty1882
topho, no one is jumping on the young players. Good managers protect and nurture young players, poor managers throw them to the lions.
ItalianYiddo
spu4..Totally agree with your Billions backing, stupid money on players post. It is always going to be the case with us failing at the last hurdle. We do not spend the money, and money i'm afraid is what it's all about. Yes, some can argue you don't sell your club to the devil, but then go on to moan when we can't reguarly finish top 4. At best the current business model sees us with a squeak of 4th spot. Without serious investment, this will become a mere dream. I'm not saying sell out to the Devil, or spend to risk liquidation. I'm only stating the way it is. get angry and ignore, or like me, get p/ssed off, but only with the performances of the talent we do have. We'll never change the former, but players can change the latter.
Cider spurs
Cider, I have been saying it for years now, we aspire for top 4 but we never make that extra investment that would make it realistically possible.
ItalianYiddo
Italian can you remember how you argued many times on here we were still well in the game when 3-0 down at home to Liverpool when Paulinho got sent off, in the defence of AVB? If yes, which I hope you can. Why do you argue the opposite ref last night?
tophobunty1882
It's so funny that whenever you lot lose it's always down to individual mistakes, it's never credit to the opposition. lol.. Earlier at Arsenal, it was individual mistake, then came up against Chelsea, same thing, Liverpool, same excuse, away at City same excuse, away at Arsenal in the Cup, still claim it was due to poor tactics and individual mistakes, against City last night same excuse. So basically you are unbeatable if you were to stop these mistakes smh.. But lets quickly flip the script, when you score against anyone or win, it's all because you were amazing but nothing to do with the opposition making individual mistakes, Or because you were so unbelievable that you forced the opposition into making mistakes, right? It's always down to Spurs bad tactics, formation, players did not turn up and that's why we lost blah blah etc, You guys are so funny. lol.
Birdz
I understand all the politics that went with the Modric, Bale and Berbatov sagas. Yes monies re-invested, but as an example, we all know that to be truly putting ourselves in a realistic chance of regular football, it's not players like those above that need selling, but players like Paulinho, Vert's, Lloris, Eriksen that needed and do need adding on top of the "Superstar" talent we once had. If we had done this, i'd suggest champs league could have been afforded more and the likes of the "Superstar" players would want to stay. Thing is, how do we get this cash?. I have no problem if Lewis chooses to keep his money, that's his choice. However, on that basis, is it realistic to expect top 4 finishes when those above us do not operate to this business model?. i suggest not. MONEY is where it's at. Spend and improve without selling top talent, or sell and stagnate whilst restarting the process all over again.
Cider spurs
Cider no point spending millions if we then insist on not using those palyers in their perfered positions! Capoue/ lamela/ soldado / erisken / Verts / Townsend (I know he's one of ours) etc you get the point!
Slurms McKenzie
topho, in the Liverpool game we had a midfielder at CB, a RB at LB, we lost Naughton and Sandro to injuries and then had Paulinho sent off. Not sure if you watched the game live last night but 11 against 11 City ripped through us, they actually eased off when we went 1 man down.
ItalianYiddo
Slurms fair point and one i have constantly banged on about since their arrival. We do not have the finances of some, so why not utilise the talent we do have in the position that would give us the best return for our initial outlay. How many posts now about Dembele being best playing in an advanced role?.
Cider spurs
Birdz, zzzzzzzzzzzzz, there is one enormous contradiction in your post. Read it and tell me what it is? I'm sure that would help keep your little birds-brain occupied for most of the day. Have fun.
MAN ON!
There you go Italian, there is no point is there? You cant get over it or past it. Lets leave it and declare friendship, it's healthier.
tophobunty1882
Before everyone jumps off the deep end. HAVE A LOOK AT THE TABLE. If we beat Hull on Saturday and Citeh thrash the chavskis. we'll only be four YES FOUR points off them in third place. IS THAT SO BAD????????????? Fourth is STILL there for us to lose.
chrishove123
And we still have our best players to come back into the team, so do things all seem doom and gloom. Come on be realistic. We have done brilliantly considering all the upheaval, the sales, the failed players, injuries, managerial problems, the brown stuff hitting the fan over the word Y1d getting knocked out of two domestic cups and yet we are still in with a very good shout for fourth, if not third place.
chrishove123
chris fair points have you got any news today on whether we will sell Modders to Madrid?
tophobunty1882
chrishove123… Thank you!
MAN ON!
lennon sigg walker were poor in this game did nuffin for the team
stephenspurs1210
I can draw an analogy on our performance last night, the team selection, and the game plan. If you had to run 100 meters against Usain Bolt, and you were given two options 1) You can tie his shoes together, or 2) You can take your chance and try to out run him. What option would any sane man take, ask TS that was what he had on offer last night and chose option (2). Rather than pack the mid field and try and break up their play, get in their faces, get stuck into them, and let them know they are in a game, try to avoid getting beat, perhaps nick a goal if a chance happens, rather than try to attack and out football them, with the inevitable result, a hammering. Very naive.
Frank
the 3 players Tim should drop based on last nights performance?...this link suggests.....Vlad, eriksen and Bentaleb... http://www.squawka.com/news/2014/01/30/drop-the-axe-sherwood-three-spurs-stars-who-need-dropping-after-man-city-mauling/2014013062157/spurs-1-5-man-city-2014-01-30-10-36-16#main
shedboy2
Not sure what you mean but I am all for friendship, share the love and up the Spurs.
ItalianYiddo
There you are Frank, we do agree sometimes. Share the love too. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
tophobunty1882 I heard that we are dealing with his (Modders) agents to buy him, then let him back on loan as long as we can pay his wages. It is a sign of our "special relationship" with them. Same with Berba, only we are loaning HIM to manure. Bit like Reagan and Thatcher's "special relationship" between us and the USA, whereby they did everything they could to rip us off.
chrishove123
Same game type senario as Jose said about Big sam last night.. Parked the bus.. and sam reply? Of course we did, im not silly... to play open football with chelsea.. anyway they did the same (park the bus) in their big games Arsenal etc...
Block D Spurs
Appears that Tim's honeymoon is well & truly over!
yid61
Naw yid61, win at the weekend and we'll be all doe eyed again and weak at the knees for Tim
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms, Tim is still cutting his teeth. Playing against better opposition is when you show your worth. Allardyce done it (twice) against us and Chelsea last night, then again he's been around for a while.
ItalianYiddo
Italian I kind of agree with you except for the "playing" part!
Slurms McKenzie
Hey Italian, hope all is well with you and yours. Were you there last night? Silly question, I know. How was the atmosphere? On TV, to me, it just looked like they sat there waiting for us to make mistakes and then they shoved it down our throats. We were very lucky to not be down 5 or more at the half. I would also suggest that it looked like there was no plan. Must say, not very confident of anything this season and fully expect the club to be gutted of all the talent in the summer. Hope I am wrong but I have yet to see anything remotely like players playing for the manager or each other. Looks increasingly like a bunch of players each out there ding their own thing. COYS
peterballb
Poor team selection and naive tactics against one of the best and form teams in Europe. Should have played Capoue at the expense of Bentaleb for extra protection of a back four which has looked completely disorganised since Sherwood has taken over. Could this have anything to do with the lack of protection?? Although Siggy has goals in him, Chadli from the left would have been a better option and he surely deserves a run of games to see if he can justify why we bought him. I admire Sherwood for sticking to his believes, but the really good managers are also flexible. Despite all his moaning about West Ham last night, even Mourinho is pragmatic enough to know that you need to set up your team differently to counter sides like Citeh, Arsenal etc, a lesson I now hope Sherwood has learnt.
Paul - THFC Forever
Topho spot on, we were 1-0, could have been 1-1 but the lineo gave a non-penalty and a free goal...ruined the game scoreline means nothing now.
Italian I did see the game, I also saw the Newcastle game where we should have won, we lost, the palace game where they should have been winning, they lost, the Southampton v Arsenal game where The Saints should have been six up in the first half, they drew. All these City should have scored means nothing, they only got one before the Linescock got involved. We would have had a 20 minute spell at some point and could have completely turned the game, look at last year,,,, 0-1 ended up being 3-1, 3 goal in 10 minutes - 11 a side would never have ended 5-1.
T.H.F.Chris
Oh there is nothing more calamatious than the Spurs fans reaction after a defeat - be heavy or not, expected or not - Citeh once again pounded us it wasn't our performance as such it was their performance. But it's quite amazing how easily folks get on the bandwagon of negativity - it really makes me thinks how many of the commentators on here are actually at the games… as in life, people need support when at their weakest - so can we please support the club ? I was one of the many who welcomed the new signings - events like never before, well done DL for listening to us so we said … things went a bit awry so get rid of AVB most called for - that's we got … we wanted exciting football and the man stopping the excitement was out - the result ? Here we are…. folks we are just as much to blame for this as anyone…. I do tend to remember that when we point the finger at someone four points back at us!!! I still say we are doing ok considering what we have experienced this year. Signs are that TS is a temp. (= no movement other than deal of the century) and I look forward to a new man in charge and a new attitude from Joe Lewis and stepping down of DL. Fourth is still a possibility if only we allow it. I'm off to Hull on Saturday to follow the team with the joint best away record… guess who they are ? Come on folks we are the best supporters in the land let's get behind the team and show the others what we are made of….. COYMS!!!!! (end of rant)
Highgatespur
Hear, hear, Highgatespur
MAN ON!
second that highgate
longtimespur
Given how good City were, and the players we had missing, I fail to see how any player can be singled out. And, to single out a 19 year old who has performed exceptionally well to date, amazes me. Does anyone really believe Bentaleb should have held the team together when everyone else around him was struggling? Apart from the 25 minutes before the penalty we were never in it. TS should not be picked on either. No manager would have changed the result against City. Did anyone else notice how good they actually are?
Geofspurs
Poor team selection, non existent system or tactics, against the best side in the country. Blaming officials is asinine, the score line was predictable before kick off. We are lucky it wasn't double figures.
judge
United want Townsend so it appears, i guess it because they have bigger stands behind the goal, hey he must be crap. what do I know.
tophobunty1882
Geof, stop being so rational and sensible, no room for that on here mate.
tophobunty1882
Topho Townsend is streets ahead of Chadli, Lemela and Siggurdson and when a choice he should start ahead of them. Play him left (and Lennon right) and he will be forced to cross more and therefore shoot less - his shooting isn't quite there yet..
T.H.F.Chris
topho ... sorry, mate, can't help myself sometimes! :-)
Geofspurs
Well I have written to D levy expressing some of my opinions. Doubt he will even read it never mind get a reply, if I do I will let you know. good nite
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