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All In The Mind

One thing I found interesting after the City game was Sherwood's post match interview. I've been impressed by the amount of common sense Tim has come out with when speaking to the press, the post City interview had an element of psychology about it. Unlike most managers he didn't make excuses.

Far from spending his time complaining about the unjustified sending off, as he could have legitimately done, he said it didn't affect the result. While I think that's going a bit far, I am fairly certain it at least affected the scoreline, there might be a touch of Ferguson in there. Michael Carrick once explained in an interview that at United you went out expecting to win every game. Every time you failed to do that, regardless of circumstances, you had failed. I wonder if Tim is trying to instil a similar attitude in the Spurs squad.

Changing the player's mindset is not something you could do in a few weeks but if Sherwood could pull it of it could make a big difference. I've always argued that in the 30 odd years I've been going to White Hart Lane a lack of mental strength has always been our achilles heel, Ardiles once said that his team could beat anyone on their day but also lose to anyone on another day, so I'll watch the rest of the season with interest.

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Date:Monday February 3 2014

Time: 9:17AM

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I just think Tim is a stop gap until the summer, irrespective of what he achieves. Maybe he's trying to instil a certain mentality but that will be all change once a new Manager comes in as he'll have his own ideas, methods etc...
I agree that our mentaility is somewhat weak in recent years although that is something AVB changed albeit from "negative" formation and tactics. This is Mourinho's way too, not pretty football but success, to have both you need to have a change from the youth setup all the way through to the first team and then you need to stick to it. If you want instant success then you need a sugar daddy. We not only contstantly change managers, we also change style, formations, type of players etc....It's no surprise we have no consistency really, is it?
yiddyboy
Couldn't agree more about the mental strength. We have a team of very professional players, but we don't have a 'win at any cost' kinda player, someone who'll play real dirty if it'll rile up the opposition, or who'll have a real shout at his team mates if he thinks they're playing garbage, or even just someone who'll really push their workrate up when things aren't going our way and show everyone else up. You only need one or 2 in a team but they're a necessity for a team to consistently win.
flipper
Whilst I agree that we were slowly getting back into the game at the time of Rose's sending off, you would have to be pretty blinkered to deny that we were lucky to only be 1-0 down at that point. To moan about the decision would be a negative thing. Sherwood to me is just being himself, and cutting the krap. No fooling about. We have seen numerous managers moan about decisions, and end up believing that it is decisions that are causing bad results. Steve Clarke was the latest culprit this season. But then when you look at his performance across the whole of last year, there was no way that bad refereeing could have accounted for all of that. It is good to stay focused on your performance. Sometimes you have off days, and sometimes you will get outclassed despite a decent performance. On the day, a combo of tactics, injuries in key positions and being outclassed lost that game. The sending off only really affected the margin of victory. Yes mental strength continues to be a problem for us. To me, the only players that possess the right mental strength in our squad are Dawson, Sandro, Vertongen. We are deficient in that area, and I think that in the next window, we need to sign a couple more. They don't all need to be mentally strong...in fact having too many will have a negative effect, but we need a few more. Especially in attacking areas.
TonyRich
Tim showed why he is an U21 coach in that interview. It's ok to compliment the opposition but Tim took his pants down and took a bigger carrot then our players! He should have given the team some criticism, he should have pointed out what our mistakes were if anything. To top it off he was pleased with our performance on Saturday? We are so unorganized its frighting! Im hearing the murmurings about Laudrup and if it's true I would put Tim back where he belongs with his U21's and he can enjoy watching other teams batter them rather the our first team.
Mix26
Good piece. Mentality is vital. Got to say I supported his appointment from the start and still do. Not wishwashy and weak. I cannot believe how our fans show their fickleness week in week out. The articles and comments I yesterday were utterly disgusting from "fans" calling him an imbecile!!?? Time we start making the players a bit more responsible for dominating games and not winning them - Tim cannot put the ball in the net himself. When we finish 3rd/4th everyone will be singing his praises.
ScottyTooHotspur
Good points in the article and the posts so far. We have lacked a winning mentality for the past 50 years. Sometimes we've not been good enough, sometimes we're too nice and other times we want to play the 'Spurs way' at the expense of results. The one constant all the way through is our willingness to accept defeat instead of an unbreakable desire to win at all costs. It is the 10% that lives in the head which is the difference between greatness and mediocrity. Just look at Utd under Moyes to the one under Ferguson. The difference is in the mentality instilled in the side. IF we get LVG in the summer then we will have a coach with a REAL winning mentality. Expect fireworks, tantrums and flying teacups but also expect to see our attitude improve.
SpuriousLife
in reply to Mix26 - Laudrup? are you serious? he had a lucky season last year and has shown he struggles to break a trend when his team are under performing. I'm sick & tired of changing managers, We will never amount anything until someone is given time to build their own team. If you want someone that will get this group of players playing better than they are, then get 'Arry back (I do not want that btw). We're a top 7 side, that is all, we're nowhere near as good as the current top 3, and are about on par with the 2 merseyside clubs & united. Sorry for the negativity, I'm just incredibly disillusioned with us right now.
King26
It's not negative King26 it's reality. We are only as good as Liverpool is Suarez leaves, he to them is what Bale was to us only they kept their main man and we didn't. What I don't see enough from Spurs is urgency, all this keep ball in your own half stuff is great is you have a secret weapon that will bag you 30+ goals a season, we don't have that player anymore. We far too often either wake up once we go behind or if we take the lead we sit back and try to defend that lead. Look at City, when they score they put the knife in and before you know it its 3,4,5 or 6. They do that to every team they play.
yiddyboy
You can try installing your team with a winning mentality all you like, but if your central defender and captain is a lower level of football player than the majority of the team, along with other weak links in the squad such a Siggi you just ain't going to win the Premiership title or compete in the CL on a regular basis. FACT! It is also IMPOSSIBLE to install a winning mentality into you players when the chairman of the club who makes all the big decisions, constantly interferes and undermines his coaches by buying and selling players without their permission or approval, something we have witnessed now for 14 seasons with Levy, with his 9 coaches, 3 DOF'S and his new soon to be fired technical director and YES MAN head coach! Hence Levy acquiring himself with the worst trophy per season percentage of an THFC owner in over half a century. FACT! Success starts at the top and if you have a an owner who has little or no interest in the football club, who is not prepared to invest in the squad on a sufficient level to seriously compete, despite having the personal level wealth of one of those Sugar Daddy owners, (a term invented by excuse making ENIC Hotspur fans) you just ain't going to be successful! LOSER LEVY and the FOOTBALL MERCENARY OUT!!!
Pele10
It's certainly true that there is a lack of intensity and drive from most of our players. They show little urgency when time is running out and we could still win the game. They seem to dawdle rather than move with purpose, and it's reflected in their lack of movement (or lack of) off the ball during open play. If we don't speed our game up the opposition defenders will have an easy job in containing us. Lack of enthusiasm or confidence?!
Geofspurs
SpuriousLife - I wanted LVG before, but he could possibly be completely the other way. Perhaps to tough a manager for some of our players to handle. It could work or backfire in equal amounts.... Mix26 - Laudrup would have been a better choice than AVB. At least Laudrup is proving himself with unfancied clubs such as Getafe, Mallorca and Swansea - whereas AVB gets Porto, Spurs & Chelsea. Not saying that we should go for him now or even change manager btw... Why are you so disillusioned? The Citeh defeat? Sherwood? Changing and managers? Not signing anyone in Jan? If you look at it the other way, we are still on course to be 2 points ahead of last seasons' record points total, and since Sherwood took over, our record has been 5 wins, 2 draws and a single defeat to probably the future champions. We have been doing this without Sandro, Vertonghen, Townsend & Paulinho.
TonyRich
Pele10 - you are sounding like Rafa Benitez.... FACT. You say that, but then Alex Ferguson managed to make champions out of creaking Rio & Vidic, Giggs & Scholes. Plus Evans, Cleverley, Smalling, Anderson, Nani... These players are (or are no longer) no better than what we have. Instilling a winning mentality is key to squeeze the extra performance out of the team.
TonyRich
Cheers yiddyboy! I was beginning to think I may just have become a grumpy old man! You're right, City, whilst possessing the best squad, are absolutely ruthless, I don't think I remember us being that way ever!
King26
Being a confidence sport mentality is vital. Any manager will try to install the right mentality. Sherwood has a better chance of knowing what's required, given he captained a team to the title, than AVB, for example. I agree with Geof that we're recently not showing much intensity. Are the players not responding to Sherwood? In fairness to Tim we haven't looked very good for the best part of 2yrs. May take longer than we realise to sort out? Has Laudrup been that good at Swansea? Good for 6 months then had a poor 2nd half of season, nothing too special this season. Martinez and Rodgers were noticeably better. Would Van Gaal come if we're 5th or worse? Should Tim be replaced if we're 4th or better?
jerkinmahjurgen
Morning Pele.
tophobunty1882
Pele10 - We don't have a sugar daddy owner because he doesn't use his wealth within the football club. You can't compare Leiws and Abramovich. I totally agree with you on Dawson, and if I was a player at Spurs and Dawson started giving me instructions I wouldn't have the respect as my first thought would be "you telling me how to play football, pot and kettle" Dawson, Siggy, Defoe, Rose are all squad players at best. When most of those are regular starters I'm not expecting anything special.

I firmly believe ENIC have taken Spurs from a struggling mid table team into European regulars (albeit in the wrong European competition). However, I think they have also taken us as far as they can as the next step (which I believe we all want, Champions League regualers?) comes at a cost which they (ENIC) are not prepared to invest in. I'm not putting ENIC down as you are, I just think they need to come out and be clear to all what their ambitions are as I see a huge difference between ENIC and the fans.

I was talking yesterday to a season ticket holder who went to all the CL games, they said they spent over £2500 that season on CL travel and matches, they are also somewhat disappointed that their investment in the team (relatively speaking) is not matched by the owners. I'm constantly being ridiculed by mates as Spurs spent £100m+ in the summer but they all fail to understand we didn't actually spend anything!
If you sell a Rolls Royce for £100k and buy 10 Ford fiesta's do you expect to travel around in the same luxury???

Wake up time for the fans, DO NOT turn on Tim is results go bad, push all your anger and frustration to Mr Levy. Rant over!!
yiddyboy
I agree about the mentality, winning at all costs should be a given. Could it not be argued that because of our constant changing of managers that this maybe has a bearing on the mentatlity issue. Yes, we had Harry for a while, but we had the Bale factor then. I'd suggest the squad as a whole is now stronger. AVB, season and a half, Sherwood, maybe relieved of his duties come seasons end. How can the players buy into a managers philosophy, when ideas are forever changing?. We need stability, we need no knee jerk reactions when things get tough. A unity needs to be established.

Ferguson was one Mark Robins goal away from the sack, didn't pan out too bad in the end did it. Dawson, yes great leader, but really, as a footballer he has limitations. Is he taken seriously?. Is a 19 year old going to start shouting at Soldado?. If we want a team to display a never say die attitude, for me, this has to be instilled from the top. We as fans want this, do the board want it enough?. Daniel is very good at business, electing managers and keeping them for long periods he is not. We have become somewhat of a joke with the way we go about our affairs at times. How can we honestly expect a player to sweat blood, when half the time we are busy making ourselves look like amateurs. We want a winning mentality, here's a clue, get a b/oody strong coach/manager in who takes no prisoners, rules with authority, knows the game inside out, is used to winning himself and is capable of getting into the minds of his players.

Once this is done, have the nerve to back him through not only good times, but bad also. Sacking at the first sign of trouble is more detrimental to the club than having to ride out the storm. It's a well known fact that overcoming difficulties makes you stronger.Use this as a tool as opposed to starting the cycle all over. Sherwood was appointed because there was little else out there. Will he be given time?, i doubt it. So the cycle continues.
Cider spurs
Scottytoohotspur – Enough with the whole Fickle bull$hi7 please. We needed a solid performance against hull and we got a half-hearted pathetic showing. It’s certainly not all Tim Sherwoods fault but unfortunately the managers shoulders most of it anyway. That’s just the game. His arrogance at not bringing in a goal scorer will cost him, he even went on to say Levy offered him money but he said no. That’s just plain stupid. U say most fans are fickle, well I say fans like you just have no concept of the real world. “when we finish 3rd of 4t”………..WHAT PHUCKING PLANET ARE YOU ON!!!
hudderspur
Agree with your first post King26. Sums up the way I feel. As I watched the game I just didn't see the quality of the players, potential yes but the quality isn't top 4 yet.
jvd
Tim has already stated it's all about winning games. Win - everyone's happy, lose - everyone's moody. That tells me what HE'S gonna be like, lol. Mentality adjusts along the way, for better or worse.There were other players at United who claimed Fergie was ok sometimes when they lost and fuming sometimes even when they won. It's obviously not a given to win every game and we're also not at Utds' level, hence maybe, Tim seemingly happy with a point at Hull after that 'performance'. I like him and want him to succeed but I've got my eye on whether the players are taking to him.
jerkinmahjurgen
we should have got shane long for a minimal fee
ghulamville
TonyRich...I'm confused as to why LVG maybe too tough for some of our players to handle. Having won cups and leagues by being a disciplinarian is maybe exactly what we need. He has shown it works, and if that upsets a few players, do we need them?. How can having a win at all costs manager be a negative?, if a player wants it enough, he'll love it, if he doesn't love it, he doesn't want it enough. Needed?. NO!.
Cider spurs
If we had a really tough task master, forever pulling performances apart, yes at times that can be hard for a player to swallow at times. But the praise for doing the things right on the pitch can be so much more satisfying when you know the manager has such high expectations. That's where we need to be, a truly tough regimented leader, forever picking weaknesses in performances, surrounded by players who are strong enough to not take things personally, but reach the level of expectation on a regular basis.
Cider spurs
Yiddy, who would you listen to in the spurs team. I very much doubt dawson is giving techincal advice to the likes of paulinho or Soldado or pointing out to Rose when a step over might work better then a back heel flick. I would hope his instructions on the pitch are something along the lines of "Danny what the Fork are you doing, just kick the forking ball into Row Z if you have to. You're no Forking Messi just give the ball to someone else on your Forking team"! Or prehaps a quiet word to Soldado gently encouraging him with words like "Put the forking ball in the forking net, we're busting our Bollox out here to get you the ball you, powder puff premadonna, so do something useful with it or I'll just change tactics and start busting your Bollox!
Slurms McKenzie
TonyRich, Whilst is is true that not every player in Fergies teams were of world class level, or even on the rare occasion not even of international level, he always purchased players who could compete in the Premiership against top clubs as well as in Europe. Fergie never attempted to sign lower level players such as JJ, Siggi, dawson etc etc! We all know this is true! Of course occasionally he made mistakes, as all coaches do and moved players on quickly, when he realised they would not make the grade. (JJ was kept by levy for 7 seasons, who personally gave him 2 contract extensions!) But the biggest difference between Fergie and all the coaches Loser Levy has appointed is that he was given the freedom, the control and most importantly the time to create a winning mentality! I think it was two or three seasons before he started to create a wining formula at Old Trafford, was given the backing and the TOTAL support of the MUFC board and was allowed to run the show with out constant inference from upstairs! Had Fegie arrived at Tottenham on Levy's arrival and had failed to deliver instantly with Loser Levy interfering and undermining him, he would have been sacked within a season and half! We all know this is true! 9 coaches in 14 seasons, confirms exactly what I am saying! Fergie would have walked anyway within weeks of arriving at Spurs (just like Santini) as soon as he realised that Loser Levy was interfering. We all know this 100% true! You are totally correct when you say "Instilling a winning mentality is key to squeeze the extra performance out of the team"! But this is impossible when you have a interfering, control freak of a chairman like Loser Levy hovering above interfering and undermining you! This is the truth! ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
The interesting thing is that whilst I agree with the sentiment of the article, I have noticed that some of the fans, including myself, felt that some of our players on Saturday were putting in less than 100% effort. Surely, that is a subset of a winning mentality. Watching the Arsenal game yesterday, it was clear no Palace player were going to get any time on the ball and it was a monumental team effort to grab a 2-0 victory against a stubborn side sitting behind the ball. Could we honestly say the same about our result against a similar side. I do also agree with Pele in that when the guy wearing the armband does not get the respect of his team-mates based on ability alone then it's time to make a change. Utd had a winning mentality because they had winning and talented captains. It starts there.
muttley
pele..I wouldn't have put your last post quite like that myself. But on this one, i have to agree. How can a winning mentality be instilled when managers are constanly changing. Time and left to all things football on the pitch, players required, etc. That's what a manager needs at Spurs.
Cider spurs
*constantly*
Cider spurs
King26, If lucky results in a League cup in his first season then sign me up? But if you prefer having Tim bending over to our rivals and our players looking like are enjoying casual "free flowing" disjointed unprofessional unorganized headless chickens football then be my guest, the truth is Tim is lucky to have Ade and Erikson playing well. Thats the only thing I see...
Mix26
Slurms McKenzie - Its about respect, would you respect a captain who is at fault for the majority of our goals conseeded?
Many on here say AVB was clueless, but he noticed the flaws in Dawson's game from day 1 and should have shipped him out to QPR for £8m as that would have been daylight robbery!!
yiddyboy
Bentaleb looks a bit out of his depth now, of course against city's midfield he would be but I felt he gave away possession and was positionally inept against Hull too. He is a great prospect but 100% LVG or any other manager would not be playing him over Capoue. It's a bit naive in my opinion to play the kid game after game when he is still learning his trade. Capoue is a rock and would really shore our midfield up -alllowing Paulihno to push forward more! For me personally if Bentaleb keeps playing we wont get top four.
chavli
Mix ... without Ade we'd be three places lower and if AVB had played Ade earlier we'd be two places higher, imo.
Geofspurs
yiddyboy, totally agree with you! This is as good as it is going to get with ENIC, which is fine if your happy to be a Europa League level team, who's total ambition is to come 4th in the Premiership! If this is your height of ambition (whilst the THFC trophy cabinet stays empty) then ENIC are the mob for you! All though I suspect that if Levy is allowed to continue to ruin the THFC show then we will not even be in the Europa League soon. I want that new stadium, I want to see my team compete in the CL as the Arsenal fans enjoy every season, and I want to see my team WIN silverware as the Chelsea fans enjoy every season! Sadly ENIC have failed us on the stadium front, the Champions League and most importantly on Silverware! Levy unlike his coaches has been given the time to bring us success, but has failed us miserably! You all know what coming next... ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/5418130/Sol-dud-o.html
ghulamville
According to reports over here in Holland, Feyernoord are parting company with Koeman at the end of the season and one Louis van Gaal is on their short list.

http://www.sport1.nl/nieuws/66181-feyenoord-belt-bosz-van-gaal-en-adriaanse.html
yiddyboy
yiddyboy - Van Gaal wants to manage in the Premiership. He has already come out and said its the one thing he wants to do before he retires. Personally I think he will be the next Tottenham manager and I hope so because he has a proven track record. But Van Gaal is a big personality, not sure how he would get along with Levy.
MrSpurs
MrSpurs - Van Gaal is an arrogant man but in his defence he has the trophies and success to back the arrogance up. It will be interesting to see how he act if he is appointed and then Levy starts buying/selling without input from Van Gaal himself.
yiddyboy
The main plus point fromt he weekend is that the race for the fourth spot is distilling down to four teams, Liverpool, Everton, Spurs and United. Of that four, Everton have the best team spirit, Spurs have the biggest squad, Liverpool have the points adavantage and are playing the best style of football and united are in decline. At his moment Liverpool are in the driving seat, Spurs are still waiting on the all clear from the fitness gurus for our best eleven and then must utilise them correctly. Everton have a very weak squad and United are in decline
Slurms McKenzie
Whay 'yiddyboy' said in the first post!!
coopsieyid
Okay I'll burst the bubble, Tim sherwood is our manager, van Gaal will never be our manager.
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms - we all know the script. TS will do OK this season, get a new bumper 4 year deal and then won't make it past 2 of those years. We'll end up paying him compensation and start the process again :-)
muttley
The next game will tell us lot in terms of how the season could end up. Everton are one of our main rivals, which will tell us something, and we play them at home which will tell us even more. Win and we look really good, lose and we hand momentum and encouragement to Everton. Depending on other results a draw would keep us in it. Bring it on! COYS
Geofspurs
Is TIM'S honeymoon period over already? That was quick.. lol..
Birdz
Mental strength? Van Gaal is exactly the sort of manager we need, one who concentrates on the system rather than the individual talent. That is something the club will need for success because we can't compete financially with the finances of the Manchesters, Chelsea etc. His mental strength is unwavering, he literally OWNS every club he manages, very much like Alcy Ferguson did at United. it's exactly that which makes me think he'd FINALLY be the manager to put Levy in his place, and is precisely the manager that Mr Levy NEEDS, to get the best out of our club. Up until now, Mr Levy hasn't had a single guy he can 'count on' to truly take charge of ALL the footballing matters. Up until now, Mr Levy hasn't had a single guy with the kahunas to stand up to him 7 tell him "It's done MY WAY, or it's not done at all".

I honestly believe that Van Gaal is that man. Also, if the press were to do as expected, and instantly have an agenda against him like they did with AVB because he came in & replaced the 'English sweetheart' manager, Van Gaal would not give a flying feck about them, or what they have to say. Like Ferguson used to do, he'd put them in their place, or he'd downright refuse to speak to them. THAT is what we need, a manager with balls, the ability to actually take control of things, grab them by the balls & make things happen. Will we get it?
coopsieyid
Mix - Good post (the first one, don't know if you've made any others yet). Though I'm personally not too sure about Laudrup. Just my opinion though :-)
coopsieyid
I think it's Nicholson's fault. It all went pear-shaped when the double team broke up!
Geofspurs
Ah, I see SpuriousLife has it all under control :-)
coopsieyid
Geof how sad yet true. I honestly would love to hear why Ade never featured under AVB this season. I'm sick of Tim and I honestly think he does not have the caliber to coach these international players. If he is after wins then that's all good but I feel the negativity in the team could be worse come the end of the season. DL is slowly drifting into the red and the coming weeks will very intriguing....
Mix26
I wrote an article yesterday that hasn't been put up yet. Just my take on the shenanigans between Levy and the managers. Well the last one, current one and future one (come summer). I may well be wrong but I think van Gaal is already in position and Tim knows it.
longtimespur
longtime - I hope you're right, just as I hope your article is aired for us to comment upon :-)
coopsieyid
did Tim get an eight month or eighteen month contract?
Slurms McKenzie
I've also submitted an article but I'm not gonna tell you what it's about :-)
muttley
Man U have signed a player they need, though, Slurms. They may well finish strongly. Chelsea may gets dragged into the race for 4th. If City beat them tonight, they'll be in no-mans land for a while. Liverpool will probably carry on as they are unless Suarez gets injured or banned. Hopefully Everton will lose their next match.
jerkinmahjurgen
If we do appoint Van Gaal it will be interesting to see what happens to the likes of Lamela and Soldado. That's £56M worth of players which Van Gaal will probably want to move on.
MrSpurs
MrSpurs - why would he want to move Lamela on? We have one of the young talents of world football who is versatile enough to play in different systems. My guess is that he'd get the best out of him. As for Soldado, who knows. I did feel bad for the guy several weeks ago but I saw a lack of effort and him playing the victim card on Saturday. I'm not into that and he needs to get going or go.
muttley
I actually preferred your version Coopsie!
SpuriousLife
MrSpurs you think he would get rid of Lamela if he manages Spurs or is this something you would favour? Lamela is one player I'd like to see given a run out in his favoured position. Soldado is one player who might be pushed on but again he played in a team that failed to create chances under AVB. Let's see how they both cope from now to the end of the season. I'm hoping both will play a major part gaining 4th place. COYS!
James1
This season has the feel of when Hoddle was sacked (4 points form 6 games, in the relegation zone, and purchased Zamora, Postiga & Kanoute) and Pleat took over for the season...you get the feeling that he was just the guy to keep the ship afloat until the real shake-up can happen in the summer.



There will probably be a massive turn-over of playing staff again, as we lose one or two to larger clubs poaching (Vertonghen I think is the most at risk of this), then lose quite a few who the new man doesn't rate, then obviously we will have the signings the new man wants mixed in with a few "Levy specials" of players coming to the end of their contracts or younger players with big reputations he thinks he can make a profit on.

The good thing about Van Gaal though is he doesn't favour rigid tactics and has gone on record as saying he always adapts his formations to the players at his disposal. We need someone like that to come in and make a cake out of the ingredients left by Levy & Baldini.

AVB's looked promising but didn't rise when put in the oven. Sherwood is like your 8 year old let loose in a bakery class, there's a lot of enthusiasm and he's attacking the job vigorously, but there's mess everywhere and its hard to tell whether the finished product will be great, or a disaster.

That said, if we can't get Van Gaal, i'd quite like Levy to take a punt on Prandelli.

The guy oozes class and is a proven tactician who plays great football. He has revitalised the italian national team and is respected by players and adored by the public.

I feel we as fans need a little 'hearts and minds' exercise imparted on us. The last 12 months have been difficult and I think (hope) Levy is aware of that. Prandelli is the perfect man to make that happen as not only will we love his personality and style, he would make us challenge, in my opinion.
coopsieyid
coopsie Laudrup strikes me as real winner and above all he has pedigree from his playing days at big clubs. I think English managers struggle as the PL has so many foreign players whom they don't trust etc. I've traveled extensively and I dislike the French, not because of any particular reason, I just find them rude and arrogant. Suffice to say that Managers like Mourinho,Pellegrini, Wenger etc have no bias to nationality. We have heard Tim speak of an English contingent of players and seemingly fav his youth, rather than test, motivate "manage" talents like Capoue, Holtby etc. Tim I think has chopped ,changed and fiddled needlessly since day 1 of the formation, tactics and players and it's now very evident we have a mixture of counter attack with no holding MF/ using wing backs with amf ahead of them and a hope Ade plays well. It was very evident against Sunderland what our best formation is yet Tim chose to change it twice in a row??? I can respect him trying to assess the opposition and attempt at stifling them but geez should we really be doing that to hull or should we be focused on our own attacking tactics.
Mix26
Also, for those who are transfixed by net spend, Why are you ignoring the £50-odd million we've spent on 'signing on fees' under ENIC, let alone the stinking agents fees? It's all relative, no?
coopsieyid
Slurms - IF (and I know it's a pinch of salt that's required) ITK was correct, Sherwood hasn't been given an 18 month contract, he had 18 months remaining on his current contract with the youth set-up, and was simply promoted & given a payrise for the duration of that contract.
coopsieyid
Lol coopsie if only AVB had used more Chocolate in his icing... top post
Mix26
lolol @ Sherwood analysis.
jerkinmahjurgen
Mix - Thanks mate, I appreciate that response. i wasn't 'dissing' you for suggesting Laudrup, far from it mate. i was just saying that I personally aren't too sure about him. Got to agree with you about the French though lol.
coopsieyid
LVG's target will be to achieve CL football as quickly as possible, not to develop young players.
MrSpurs
I should perhaps point out that I wasn't slagging Sherwood off in my post about him & AVB, it was just the best way I could come up with to describe them both.
coopsieyid
Lol for sure coopsie. Fair to say I believe he should be a candidate for the position. One thing is certain Tim will not be a candidate imo. Even if he flooks 4th spot
Mix26
I have been a strong supporter of Sherwood on this site, and I still want him to succeed because I am tired of changing manager and I think a British manager will show us more loyalty for longer. However he may have made the same fatal error as Redknapp and AVB in thinking the present strikeforce is going to do it for him. What is it with Tottenham and strikers ? Boney and Benteke were picked out by teams lower down the food chain than us. What has Ferdinand done as forwards coach ? If Van Gaal comes in will he think the srikers on the premises are all he needs?
cynicspur
SAF, British. Cantona, French. I'll say no more. ;-).... We just beat the Swans 1-3 and they are 20 points below us. Laudrup is not the answer.
MAN ON!
Hudderspur - The fickle fan thing is true for every sports team in the world. Stereotypes are there for a reason and that's one of them. The striker argument is old too. Ade on fire atm but gets no help from midfield (again - ask Soldado). Hows this concept of the real world - Arsenal fans tell their manager he doesn't know what he's doing all of last season and beginning of this. They currently look class (that hurts to say) and will beat us come season end. Rodgers - Fans again said he's useless. Forget Suarez, look at the rest of the team. Playing flowing football courtesy of a manager being given time to instill his style. Examples go on and on. AVB was treated harshly. I'd love to see you take on a project in your field of work when it's halfway through and get it right immediately. Chances are you'll need some time too. And 3rd/4th - where were we in comparison to arse this time last year? 13 points ahead. Remind me what happened? 4 points is no mountain happy bear... Eejit
ScottyTooHotspur
coops - I'm actually wondering whether we over-rate Vertonghen. I've seen a few chinks in his defensive play that I also think some top managers would have seen. They were there again on Saturday.
muttley
I personally think van Gaal has already been lined up. The only concern is the transfer business in the summer as van Gaal won't arrive until after the world cup. Will he then have sufficient time to assess the squad or will there be purchases/sales without his consent?
yiddyboy
MrSpurs - "Experience is important, but you can also have plenty of experience at the age of 16 or 18," he says.

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/van-gaals-vision-seeks-recreate-football-utopia

Also, anyone unsure about Van Gaal, would be well served reading these links

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2528329/What-Tottenham-getting-appointed-Louis-Van-Gaal-manager.html

http://espnfc.com/players/manager?id=99&cc=5739

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/10555116/Louis-van-Gaal-still-interested-in-managing-Tottenham-when-his-Holland-contract-expires-in-the-summer.html

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/van-gaals-vision-seeks-recreate-football-utopia

There's a part in that first link that had me in stitches... "Take one tale relayed to the press by Bayern’s Luca Toni where Van Gaal dropped his trousers in front of the squad to demonstrate he had the ‘balls’ to axe any player from the starting line-up."........ Got to LOVE that lol.. Seriously though, have a read of those links, it'll take all of 5 minutes, and then tell me he doesn't seem like a perfect fit :-)
coopsieyid
Sherwood is in his first job in charge of a PL club. 7 weeks on, we've lost one PL match in 8 and, to the top form team in Europe. What do we seriously expect the man to have achieved in less than 2 months?
MAN ON!
haha MAN ON spot on. That was the only match we have looked decent against any opposition this season and Swansea were poor.
Mix26
Forget Van gael force 10. Get Gus Poyet in and give him a minimum of two full seasons.
johna
Coopsie - Agreed LVG has the experience which we need. Not sure whether Baldini, Levy and LVG will all get along together , some big personalities there but on the pitch Van Gaal has the experience to know how to win. IMO the man for the job.
MrSpurs
Mix26, I wasn't having a go at you, as Laudrup has had Swansea playing good football, as did Rogers. But Laudrup is not winning a lot of games.
MAN ON!
MAN ON - Tim Sherwood has done a great job considering his lack of experience. Some Spurs fans just don't like him so he will never be given any credit from that section of the support but so far we've played more attractive football, won games, scored more goals and even introduced a player from the youth academy, great job in only 2 months.
MrSpurs
Geez I must be getting a reputation on here or u guys are too polite ffs!
Mix26
MAN ON! Thank you. What exactly should he be doing? Do we all secretly love the drama and need someone to hate?
ScottyTooHotspur
Mix26... F OFF!
MAN ON!
SORRY!
MAN ON!
lol thats better@
Mix26
MrSPurs 0 Here's the whole line of that quote I gave about youngsters...

"In the 17 matches he has overseen so far, Van Gaal has used 45 different players. He has handed debuts to 19 players, of which 12 were under the age of 23. "Experience is important, but you can also have plenty of experience at the age of 16 or 18," he says."...

Doesn't seem too concerned about using youngsters if they're good enough?
coopsieyid
MrSpurs I love Tottenham, I support Tottenham. I don't support a free education and a youth team policy. I set my std's a lot higher than that this season and wont be "settling" for mediocrity. We need to win and get into the CL by all accounts phuck the kids for now!
Mix26
coopsie - Yeah I hope, if appointed our next manager, he does use Lamela and that the kid realises his potential. I also think that Levy will demand that LVG gives him an opportunity as Levy's ego will be hit hard if our record signing proves to be a flop.
MrSpurs
Mix26 - me too, any youngster coming through the ranks is just a bonus. TS has got the results, and the style of play back, to have inter grated a youth player as well is a job well done.
MrSpurs
He's a bit mental, Coops. I can picture poor Eriksen staring at Van Gaals balls whilst trying to concentrate on instructions. Upset the squad in Germany. In this day and age, does that say he's methods are less likely to work? These are young pompous millionaires. Don't matter who you are, if you lose the squad you're done.
jerkinmahjurgen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B24GTG2-s7c

A clip there of just ONE GAME, that shows us what we are currently lacking from our midfield, and could be using alongside 2 from Capoue, Sandro, Paulinho Dembele.....
coopsieyid
$hit, sorry. I thought I was on the 'Report' thread, from yesterday. I was having a chat on there about midfield options. Apologies to JOD, for putting it here by mistake..
coopsieyid
I will reserve judgement on Sherwoods ability for now, but he comes over as an arrogant prat of a schoolboy when interviewed. As for mental strength I dont think its Man City's mental strength thats put them at the top of the league, its the change of manager and the tactical changes he made. Same at Man U , anybody who watched Moyes Everton would know that the bloke is tactically limited. And Pullis with his championship players probably put in one of the best away performances at City.. its called tactical awareness and good defensive organaisation.
matt hoten
matt holden - TS isn't arrogant, just straight talking. AVB once said Arsenal were in a downward spiral; that's pretty arrogant.
MrSpurs
LOL jerkin, I can't get that image of Eriksen staring at Van Gaal's love sack lol. "An astute tactician, Van Gaal is well known for his ability to develop young players and his disciplinarian approach allows him to command respect in the dressing room."

http://espnfc.com/players/manager?id=99&cc=5739

And another snippet from that article - "I am who I am and I have my own ways. I'm not going to change and I have no desire to." These words aptly sum up the obstinate, eccentric and media-loathing yet innovative and inimitable genius of Louis van Gaal......

I think he'd be just fine with our squad, mate. It's pretty clear (to me at least) that the main thing this squad is lacking, is GUIDANCE. A proven 'winner' live LVG would, in my opinion, instantly gain the respect necessary to achieve something. Anyone who could take AZ Alkmaar to the Dutch title, when there's the significantly better (and richer) clubs, like PSV & Ajax, MUST have something special about them. I'd put that achievement on a par with what Alcy Ferguson did at Aberdeen.
coopsieyid
MrSpurs - i'd say more 'ignorant' than 'arrogant' ;-)
coopsieyid
If it was up to me I'd give LVG the job and say it's yours for as long as it takes to make Spurs winners. I don't think it would take that long.......
MAN ON!
MAN ON - Agreed give the job to LVG and say you control all parts of the club from a football point of view. Let LVG decide whether he wants Baldini or any other Dof and back him on all decisions. If LVG cant then make it work we should all give up haha...
MrSpurs
MAN ON - Amen to that!!

JOHNA - "Forget Van gael force 10. Get Gus Poyet in and give him a minimum of two full seasons."... May I ask how you've come to the conclusion that Poyet should be given the chance to get our club where we wish for it to be? Have we not 'experimented' enough recently? We went 'young & potential' with AVB, and that didn't exactly go as planned. We're doing it again now, but with an even less experienced fella, and you're clearly not happy with him either, otherwise you wouldn't be naming somebody yo take over from him. Why take another 'risk' by hoping another relatively inexperienced manager can be the answer to our problems? I'm not dismissing your comment, mate. I'm just wondering how you've come to the conclusion that you have.
coopsieyid
All the very top managers have a great deal of arrogance. It's not a trait that determines how good or bad you are...... Good tactics go hand in hand with a strong team spirit and mental strength. You need it all.
MAN ON!
Mix26 - You keep you STD's to yourself thanks ;-)

Why not had LVG as Manager and Tim Sherwood as No2 with the undrerstanding that Tim can complete his badges and learn from a master of the trade. After 3 years let LVG retire and Tim or (HGV who I'm now going to refer to him as) take over. That will be 3 brilliant years of understudy learning to a master of the trade and the constistency within the club will be equally as welcome??
yiddyboy
Pelle10...are you here buddy? I found this and thought it was interesting, have a read chap

In out, in out, shake it all about. You know the rest…The ENIC Group, owners of Tottenham Hotspur, run by British billionaire Joe Lewis and hard-headed businessman Daniel Levy have been lauded and castigated in equal measure by the Spurs faithful. In recent weeks, some have even called for Levy and co. to step down. But have ENIC really done a good job for Spurs? Or is it a case of one step forward and two steps backwards?

To judge how far Spurs have come under ENIC, you must look at where they were before. The nineties was a difficult decade for the club. The take-over by Alan Sugar in 1991 led to instability on and off the field. Seven managers in the space of nine years, not one top six finish and the solitary trophy. The dizzy heights of Champions League football seemed a long way off.

Sugar sold up in 2001. ENIC came in and Daniel Levy was appointed chairman. The aim of the new owners was (and still is) to ensure Tottenham are competitive on the field whilst being financially stable off it. When you look at it in that respect, ENIC have delivered the goods. In the past five years, Spurs have finished fourth in the league on two occasions and fifth twice. Supporters have had the pleasure of witnessing the team lift the League Cup in 2008 and enjoyed a marvellous run in the Champions League which saw the Lilywhites reach the quarter-finals. The latest financial figures mirror the club’s long-term strategy. The owners recouped £106.75 million in the summer of 2013, a large portion of that attributed to the sale of Gareth Bale. In return the board spent £103.7 million on seven new players to mould a new team. If Tottenham Hotspur is a business, as many have labelled it, then it’s certainly a successful one!

Some argue that financial stability has come at the expense of the supporter. The controversial introduction of StubHub has angered many fans which see the ticketing service as a form of legal touting. From personal experience I can’t quite see the issue – twice I have listed tickets at face value and on both occasions they haven’t sold. Unfortunately, this isn’t a problem confined to Tottenham Hotspur but rather a sign of change in modern day English football. It’s worth remembering that two other Premier League clubs have a partnership with the ticketing company.

Many supporters have bemoaned the amount of time taken to start work on the new stadium. Plans for the Northumberland Project surfaced in 2008 – a 56,000 seater arena, state-of-the-art facilities along with the regeneration of the local area. At an estimated cost of £400m it comes as no surprise that the building work hasn’t started overnight. Projects as big as this take time. The discontent surrounding the new stadium is a prime example of the impatient nature of Spurs fans. Ultimately, the ENIC In/ENIC Out debate boils down to how well the team are performing on the field. Spurs win – Sherwood was a brilliant appointment and the seven players bought in the summer are world beaters. Spurs lose – sacking Villas-Boas was an awful decision and the board is showing no ambition. It is the typical knee-jerk reaction to blame the guy at the top. But you should be careful what you wish for. The next time you find yourself calling for ENIC or Levy’s head, just think – would you really want Spurs to be run by a erratic character such as Vincent Tan or Assem Allam? I’m sure you’ll agree, the answer is a resounding no.
ledgespur
yiddyboy.. That sounds far to sensible for THFC.
MAN ON!
*too*
MAN ON!
Plus it fails to mention..the STATE OF THE ART 60M NEW TRAINING GROUND...lauded as one of the finest in the world. Pipe-smoke-it.
ledgespur
Oh hokey pokey
ledgespur
ledgespur - I was hoping for the Venky's to be honest :-)
yiddyboy
Good post, Ledge.
jerkinmahjurgen
ledgespur ... great post, mate!
Geofspurs
lol thanks yiddyboy, Wow LVG had a proper go on that show lol! That presenter might need to check his rods after that!
Mix26
Yiddy remember last week?
tophobunty1882
Mix26/Yiddyboy .... I have 4 Sexually Transmitted Descendants. lol
Geofspurs
Least he kept his clothes on, Mix. He weren't REALLY angry.
jerkinmahjurgen
No Investment in the team??? Daniel Levy & Joe Lewis spent £100m 6 months ago !! They could have pocketed this amount , or kept it for the new stadium if they wanted, and just bought 2 players from the sales raised... Harry would still be a spurs manager if he kept his media pals away from us and his England job thoughts to himself and not lost a 13 points lead..no court case...Harry was here 4 years, as he did what Levy and fans expected.. good free flowing football, Champions League. AVB did get results but boring football, and he caused upset with people at the club.. training ground, WHL ...
Block D Spurs
ledgespur- nice bit of ENIC spin there.... Trouble with that piece is it calls 14 years knee jerk (other stadiums have been built in that time)...and says because we made a 3m profit on transfers in the summer (it was actually 6m as Gio had a sell on clause) we are a successful business yet ignores the 70m debt which paid 6m interest on! It also has a wild guess at ENIC's aims whilst forgetting they are an investment company who's reason for being is making money for ENIC NOT THFC! It finishes by trying to scare us but surely we should be scared at having to pay off c half a billion stadium plus ENIC profit...they could be have us wishing for a Tan in a few years! Tim was always a bad appointment even if he was successful! it was amateur hour a mug punt...I'm afraid that was just a pure fluff piece for ENIC in a time when I've never known so many people to be questioning Levy and ENIC as they are now...If we don't keep winning Levy and ENIC won't keep the wolf from the door, the mood is turning....
shedboy2
Scottytoohotspur – So you basically ignore the actual points I raise in my post / question, have your own rant again then then call ME the Eejit? I really wish w@nk3rs like you would stay off here. You just attract more and more. Don’t tell me, your best mates with Pele10??
hudderspur
Topho - What about last week?
yiddyboy
Thanks for the article JOD. The mentality issue is a complex one, and one that runs right throughout the club. When it come to players, they need to fully believe in the "project" and to be committed to the club in order to succeed, and IMO, I don't see many out there who are. This season, we have already heard Dembele, Vertonghen, Capoue, Lloris speaking out in the press about their displeasure at being in some way inconvenienced at the club, and the possibility that they could move on if the success doesn't happen. IMO, many of the players we have bought recently come to Spurs because they missed out on the bigger clubs, therefore, Spurs are the consolation. Many of these players want to come to the PL to ply their trade, it's good for there own personal brand, and their chances to play for their countries etc, however, most would more than likely want CL football, that's why more often then not, we end up doing last minute deals. Most of these guys have no prior connection to the club, therefore the moves are strategic career moves for them. Translated on to the pitch, if things go well, fine, if not, then the players don't give a toss, and just look for their next move. Good players like Verts will just look to use Spurs as a stepping stone to a bigger club. There's no loyalty, and no real desire to win above all else with Spurs. In addition, if you look at the way we have done deals, lately, we have bought many players who were in the last year of their contracts at previous clubs, e.g Verts, Holtby, Lloris, Eriksen, or we buy the next trend, like Lamela or Chadli, whilst we ignore the weaknesses which pervade our squad. Example, this year we are overloaded in CM again, but are weak at LB, CB are arguably up front. I don't see us as a club that actually team builds, but rather we operate more of a player exchange, buy and sell, make some profit. This leads to players not feeling particularly valued, except in financial terms, but more importantly they don't care about becoming part of the fabric at the club. If we do develop, a world class player, they are sold within 12 months of making their big break, and they know they will be sold. That's the problem as I see it. Players don't generally care, bought for financial, not football reasons, no real desire to win things with Spurs, this all equals apathy, and it starts at the top, and infects every area of the club. I grew up watching players such as Steve Perryman, Graham Roberts, Tony Galvin, Garry Mabbutt, Glenn Hoddle, Ossie and the rest, all class players who were etched into the fabric of the club. You got the sense that they wanted to win for Spurs and the fans as much as for themselves, and that they loved the club. I don't think that there is anyone in the current squad apart maybe from Dawson, who I could compare to any of those guys.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
I'm with scotttoohospur - I totally ignore Hudders actual points aswell!
Slurms McKenzie
I think Tim is doing alright. we are fourth in th form table and three points off fourth int eh actual table. Players are coming back from injury. verts was shaky due to lack of match fitness and dawson being on the pitch. I'm still confident of seeing a marked improvement in performances when Sandro, paulinho, erisken, Townsend and (hopefully) a rejuvenated Lamela in the midfield behind Ade or Soldado (with a huge boot print in his backside)
Slurms McKenzie
Shedboy can you name me a team in the prem who brought in more than 8 internationals in the august transfer window to help drive the team forward?
tophobunty1882
Cleveland - That’s the problem isn’t it. Not enough leaders or players who actually give damn about THFC. I think a lot of that stems from the fact that players just don’t tend to stay at one club anymore and therefore don’t have any sort of emotional attachment. Unless they are winning trophy’s or getting paid top top dollar they will always look to move. Even when the player doesn’t really want to move and his happy earning his pittance of £40-£50k per week his agent certainly won’t be happy and would walk over his own mother to make a few extra quid by getting another deal somewhere else for his asset. Football is just so impersonal these days, and im only 30 so that just shows how much has changed since I started watching 20-25 years ago

Saying all that, im just as guilty as the next man and I am part of the problem. In the summer when there were whispers of selling some of our foreign players and bringing back our own boys who have developed though the system (Livermore and Carroll) I was in uproar!! We (or the majority) were quite happy to flog Defoe who is as much “a spur” as anyone of us and bring in some exotic foreigner who barley know which part of the map Tottenham is on!! It’s all about balance, the motivation, the ambition, and most importantly the patience. Unfortunately Patience is something that the Players, the Board nor even the fans have these days. Again, I am very guilty of this shortcoming.
hudderspur
Cheers slurms.
hudderspur
tops can you name me another team that sold a player for 85M? along with losing another 12 players?....
shedboy2
I'll ignore that Hudders... But I think rather then the leaders having to be Spurs through and through I think that we shoudl look for a winning mentality in the players we sign. Players who will not walk off the pitch with a smile on thier faces because we scraped a draw at lowly Hull. Guys that will drag the team to victory. who by their sheer force of will force others aroudn them to play above their ability. I don't really see any characters like that in our squad. Thats the big weakness with Spurs. We have put too much stock in the silky skills type players and ignored the knuckle dragging, mouth breathing, boold and guts type winners!
Slurms McKenzie
the players who come to us do want CL footie...so in order to get a move or get it with us it should motivate them to play well...Real Madrid aren't going to come calling if you're not playing well...but when the Lions are led by Donkeys you can't expect a winning mentality to pervade...
shedboy2
Hudd, Townsend is a spurs supporter and he gets slaughtered on here by Spurs supporters, I would like 11 of him in my team.
tophobunty1882
hudderspur- you're right there is no loyalty in football- fans are not loyal to a player (look at Bentley, was a spurs fan got dogs abuse for having hair gel!) if they are not playing well but don't confuse loyalty and winning mentality...
shedboy2
We all dream of a team of Andy Townsends, a team of Andy Townsends, a team of Andy Townsends...
Slurms McKenzie
ok so the answer was no then Shed? we made a massive profit on one player who had a triple world class 3 months and about 1 season of being very good. That is exceptional business in any industry. We let a selection of other players leave the club most of whom were repeatedly slaughtered ( like you with Townsend and Bentelab) on here for not being close to good enough, that was very sensible business. One answer not avoided the other a bit mung....How mung can you get Shed? want to answer my question now you have time on your hands at work mate. Go on stand up give a straight answer to a straight question, I know many a man big enough to do that, can you?
tophobunty1882
All in the mind? Well, unlike our manager, at least our returning Belgian Centre Back was disappointed not to win......

Jan Vertonghen had mixed emotions after returning to action at Hull.

Source: Official Site

Naturally delighted to be back in action after close to a two-month lay-off, Jan’s overwhelming feeling was one of disappointment after the 1-1 draw at the KC Stadium.

We started slowly and the home team capitalised via Shane Long’s goal in the 15th minute.

We were on the front foot by midway through the first half and stepped up again after the break, Paulinho equalising just after the hour mark.

Jan had one of a number of half-chances when he curled a free-kick just wide but despite ending the match with a 19-9 shot count in our favour, it stayed all-square.

“We wanted to win this game and it’s a shame we couldn’t score again and come back with the three points,” said Jan.

“We have to bounce back next week in an important game against Everton. We have to be ready for that.

“For myself, I was happy to be back and I felt more confident in the second half.

“I want to finish the season strongly now. Hull was my first game in two months, I don’t suppose you can expect to win everything and play every ball to the right player in the first game, but I’m back and getting stronger.”..............

Love the spin our club has put on the proceedings, though. They acknowledge that we started slowly, ever said "AGAIN" though, did they!!

And I love the line, "despite ending the game with a 19-9 shot count in our favour, it stayed all-square"..... Yet they conveniently omitted that it ended up being 4-3 in their favour, for shots on target.
coopsieyid
I agree with Scotty other than he thinks AVB had more time than Rodgers. They started their jobs together. In the time that Rodgers made Suarez one of the best players on the planet, made good relationships with everyone at the club, and turned the reds into one of the best teams to watch, AVB ignored Ade, upset almost everyone, and turned us FROM one of the best teams to watch to one of the worst. It's not just the time, it's what you do within in. If it ain't happening... Fans are fickle, though. And Tim is doing well. I was a bit angry. No real improvement against City, and Hull was a disappointment straight afterwards and I vented but I'm still behind him for now. I don't ignore your posts though, Hudds :)
jerkinmahjurgen
I'd rather have guys like Townsend than buy a foreign "talent" or a punt who may or may not come good. For all the crap that Rose gets, he at least looks like he gives a damn. Fans expectations of player skill level is too much, you can't expect every one in the 25 to be Ronaldoesque, again, the crap that Dawson gets on here is ridiculous, especially when he is supposed to be our 3rd or even 4th choice. I've got no problems with TS bringing in guys like Bentalab, who hasn't done badly at all, start to reconnect the players with the club. Remember United, you don't win anything with kids. I'm fed up with seeing guys like Dembele, who could be a monster in CM, our own version of Yaya strolling around, giving it 60% and then complaining he's not in his best position, or Soldado just standing around doing nowt, or Vertonghen whose form before his injury at CB was indifferent complaining because he has to play at LB, or Walker who doesn't have the desire to improve his game for at least the last two seasons, or Lamela, 30M or whatever who doesn't seem to have the fire to force his way into the team, or Levy, buying Holtby virtually on a free, but haggling virtually the whole window over in football parlance a pittance, then 12 months later, said same player is out on loan. Was there any point in signing Holtby?
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Cleveland ARTSPURS, My thoughts exactly. They just don't care. If there good they know they'll be sold, if not they'll stay and collect a fat paycheck. Win Win!
LongTimeSpursFan64
Players are certainly more powerful than they were, and with their origins being mainly world-wide, their allegiance isn't usually as strong. But it's their own short career we're talking about. They do it for themselves. Want to win, score, keep clean sheets - whatever their bag is. They WANT leadership. Guidance. Someone to tell them what to do, show them the way. We've got good players who've played for top managers. Anyone not as good - they'll see through that, if the manager isn't doing his job, playing them correctly, getting the best from them, using their strengths, being fair and winning games, their heads will drop. Yes, they've agents who will look at sorting things out quickly if so wished. And players are like fans. Some are patient. Most are more impatient. But don't be thinking players will sign for a club and not give a toss. It's their career. They're looking to go as far as they can.
jerkinmahjurgen
so your answer was no as well then tops- two sides of the same coin but of course your point was? ps...you may want to look up the word slaughtered...as far as I'm aware I never slaughtered Townsend although I was critical of his woeful displays on our right, the more you and others tried to sing his praises the more I pointed out the harm he was actually causing the team...I believe the strongest word I used was 'Crapola' but then a as caretaker of the archives you can probably check that (once you finish playing in your sandpit) As for Bentaleb when have I slaughtered him? saying he shouldn't be selected is hardly slaughtering, pointing out he's been nothing special is not harsh imo...
shedboy2
Shed?
tophobunty1882
Cleveland you make some very fair points there
tophobunty1882
Cleveland ARTSPURS- It doesn't matter to me where they come from they have to be good enough, imo AT and Rose aren't, Daws has his place because he is good in the air...Sol Campbell came through the ranks..he was off. Again don't confuse loyalty with winning mentality they are two different things...a team full of Townsends would be my nightmare, they wouldn't pass to each other, track back or tackle...
shedboy2
answer Shed? come on you can do it.
tophobunty1882
answer Shed? come on man you can do it
tophobunty1882
a very highly respected ex pro ex arsenal player said one of the reasons Walcott has been such a success this season and periods before is because is is not asked to track back or expected to tackle....shed we buy 47 CMS/DMS on top of the back for and you want townsend to track back and tackle?
tophobunty1882
comprehension isn't your strong point is it Tops...I guess the Cat must have ruined your play this afternoon....
shedboy2
Cleveland.... re Holtby signing. Levy is always looking for a profit and buying Holtby for £1.5 mill was too good to miss. I'm really pleased he's only been loaned out and not sold. To me he'll be a tremendous player given time.
longtimespur
Hudderspur - wow. I don't know how else to respond. I literally answered any point u made in ur argument. Ur a lost cause mate. Tell me some facts like I gave u. Best start for a spurs manager and the guys useless? Buying a striker in jan not a great idea - paying double usually for another guy to bed in. Take a seat on the short bus.
ScottyTooHotspur
answer the question Shed, why do you avoid it? come on be a man just once
tophobunty1882
whats the answer shed can you name that team? come on be a man
tophobunty1882
let me remind you shed, come on answer it try to back up all your claims....come on shed ............... Shedboy can you name me a team in the prem who brought in more than 8 internationals in the august transfer window to help drive the team forward? >>>>>> there you go Shed....answer?
tophobunty1882
have you gone all spineless on us Shed?
tophobunty1882
tops- you are an idiot...the answer is up there....but still waiting for you to answer my questions...you really are a bit of a div...
shedboy2
name the team Shed, come on which team is it? i answered your questions clearly. come on sheddyboy which team bought more than 8 internationals in the summer window to puch themselves forward this summer......and you slaughtered townsend day in day out for weeks....ist all written in the archives why on earth deny it then call someone else an idiot? spineless you are starting to look matey
tophobunty1882
And again read my claims..'ignores the 70m debt which [spurs] paid 6m interest on!'' that will be the salient point that you miss..feck me I can't believe I'm even responding to someone who has comprehension levels lower than a 10year old....
shedboy2
I've answered you you idiot....
shedboy2
answer the question shed, you put yourself into a corner and are not man enough to fight your way out....which team bought more than 8 internationals this summer?? this question you raise now (why?) I have seen you raise many times against many many posters on this site. the answer is in the accounts, buy a copy, they are available, if you cant cant afford a copy tell me and i will buy you a copy and post them to you. what is the straight forward answer to my question?
tophobunty1882
Topho, what's the reference to last week that I'm supposed to know, is it when you went out to McDonald's with your kid?
yiddyboy
come on be a man anwser the simple question Shed, if you want the accounts i will buy a copy of them, your answer will be in there. you have taunted many people with that question very safe in the knowledge they don't have the information to hand to answer, you have repeated it over and over taunting multiple posters. Now i give you the chance to have your answer by offering to buy you a set of the THFC accounts, if you want the question answered get them, if you cant afford them I can....MAN UP just answer that simple question.
tophobunty1882
So you don't want to answer my question Topho, come on man up and all that. Was it burger king and that's what upset you?
yiddyboy
yiddyboy, your post in relation to my family has been removed but i pasted it offline elsewhere before it was removed. It is the other part of that post which is causing you the problem.
tophobunty1882
Was it the role model one? They say the truth hurts, let me know what your opinion on that is?
yiddyboy
Yiddyboy I will in time.
tophobunty1882
@Mr Spurs..."Tim Sherwood has done a great job considering his lack of experience." Fair enough mate, but why is a man, to be fair, with no experience RUNNING OUR TEAM??? we need to aiming to win every game, get the best out of each and every player, strive for the best from the proven international squad we have (including several international captains, and a U21 national captain out on loan?!?!). I don't want someone working for me and saying 7 weeks in, " well he / she has done ok, considering their experience!!!" Thats a joke!
Dublin Hotspur
tops- I've answered it ...you're are an idiot.
shedboy2
feck me I'm having a battle of wits with an unarmed man!!....
shedboy2
what corner am I in prey tell? shed some illumination on what is going on in that tiny mind of yours....
shedboy2
which team has brought in more than 8 international players this pre- season in the prem Shed?
tophobunty1882
on the evidence of that 45 Man City are now the 2nd best team in the world.
tophobunty1882
And you called me a stalker yet you're saving my posts somewhere safe, you track my IP address and whatever else floats your boat. I love it, your stories get better and better. As I mentioned last week, my life doesn't revolve around this forum, I post my views some like them, some don't and some don't even respond. Not one wink of sleep has been missed by me to what anyone says on here. I read the site more than I post and my observation is there is generally one idiot that seems to thrive on causing friction, I won't tell you their username as it changes regularly, although they a not smart enough to change the whole name, they just edit the number after it. Some would see that as a schoolboy error. Let me know when you've worked out who it is!
yiddyboy
Shed if I have missed your answer to that question please paste it here again ....
tophobunty1882
@ every one, written by Ledgespur: said it many times.... we could be -Tottenham Bunnies- or -Red Malaysian Power Spurs- or - Archway Steel Spurticus- But you should be careful what you wish for. The next time you find yourself calling for ENIC or Levy’s head, just think – would you really want Spurs to be run by a erratic character such as Vincent Tan or Assem Allam? I’m sure you’ll agree, the answer is a resounding no. ledgespur
Dublin Hotspur
BTW this is all ledgespur said.... "The next time you find yourself calling for ENIC or Levy’s head, just think – would you really want Spurs to be run by a erratic character such as Vincent Tan or Assem Allam? I’m sure you’ll agree, the answer is a resounding no". ledge spur"...... I added the other bits..... sorry ledge
Dublin Hotspur
Hardly worth beingon here tonight is it? Nite all
longtimespur
BTW,This hurts me to say, but Chelsea are playing city how you should play them, no fear!
Dublin Hotspur
and the invisible answer is Shed?
tophobunty1882
Dublin they are playing them with two holders, better all round players than any other team in the prem and a better manager than the rest, helps you know. Having said that they have been wasteful and should be at least 2 up.
tophobunty1882
ps Dublin i dont mention your house its personal to you and your family. Can you answer the question for Shed? which club in the prem brought in more than 8 international players in the summer window?
tophobunty1882
MrSpurs, Sherwood has done a great job? During his tenure other then City every single team we have played is struggling for wins and goals, other than United and City bottom half or fighting relegation. Most of those teams still outplayed us for large chunks of the games, the latest Hull, lost the last four and hadn't scored a single goal in 2014, all this without the distraction of Europa. He got us knocked out of two cup competitions. But in your eyes the boy has done great, happy for you MrSpurs.
ItalianYiddo
tops- read above and the 'invisible' answer will become visible...if you can read...you still haven't explained your point or the corner that I am in? still waiting...be a man...
shedboy2
Two holding midfielders? Tim doesn't need any.
ItalianYiddo
you repeatedly make claims which you cant substantiate whilst trying to make others substantiate it for you, ie the accounts repeating question. it forces you into a corner whish is not easy to get out of, i offer you a way out on this one by offering to buy you a set of the accounts and post them to you. I can help you with the Bentelab and Townsend corners sorry. paste the answer here, which team is it? i dont see the name of any team in any of your posts and you are calling me an idiot?
tophobunty1882
BTW, Chelsea are playing City how they should be played! much as it pains me to say!!!
Dublin Hotspur
Italian when AVB was manager you repeatedly stated no games were easy they were all equally hard, REPEATEDLY, now you are completely reversing that principle, why? He didnt get us knocked out of the FA CUP Arsenal did, remind me of AVB's two results away to Arsenal? were they 5-2 and 1-0 defeats? Italian TS is not Mourinho far from it, he is less experienced than your boy, no experience whatsoever compared to your boy, when your boy was sacked we were 9th now we are 6th.
tophobunty1882
First and second playing Dublin, my money has been on City from day one. The may lose this one but they will outgun most other teams.
ItalianYiddo
never a free kick to man city
tophobunty1882
topho, we were 7th. I am just stating facts, other than City we have played struggling sides, we have tougher ones coming up. I stand corrected, Arsenal knocked out of the FA Cup with a naive rookie coach in charge that played 442 with no holding midfielder. An Arsenal season ticket holder told me that he had never been so relaxed for a NLD. We lost 5-2 last season, we were leading 2-0 till Ade gets sent off and changes the game. We lost 1-0 this season, with Arsenal hanging for dear life the last half hour. Last thing when did I say that beating teams above you is as hard as teams bottom half?
ItalianYiddo
we were 7th when AVB was sacked Italian? But you said there was no such thing as an easy game against a struggling side when AVB was still manager do you remember?
tophobunty1882
LOL Tops, you do at least have a bat cave archive so?
Dublin Hotspur
We were 7th. There are no easy games in the PL, you have to earn every win but there are very hard games and they tend to be playing teams around and above you as City are finding out.
ItalianYiddo
Dublin I have no idea what DVD you are watching tonight, I do know I have never introduced your family into any discussion and never will. That is history between yiddyboy and I as far as this forum is concerned.
tophobunty1882
IY when we beat Man Utd, they were on a run of 6 straight wins and had only lost 2 of their previous 20 games in all comps. They may not have been the Man Utd of old, but they were still a tough side to beat, as Arsenal found out. Their form has drastically deteriorated since we beat them.
Guyver
Guyver they had already lost 4 games at home
ItalianYiddo
Guyver, can you help me out here? are there any teams in the prem who have brought in more than 8 international players this pre-season
tophobunty1882
So what? Does a win only count if you beat a team playing at Barca standard? Do wins against teams 8th to 5th count as easy now?
Guyver
Also Southampton were not out of form, it's just that they had several extremely difficult fixtures in the space of a few weeks. Losing to Man City, Arsenal and Chelsea doesnt mean Southampton were playing badly.

Not that im aware of topho, but what is the point you are trying to make??
Guyver
Guyver, all wins carry the same amount of points, three. I am just putting some perspective on it.
ItalianYiddo
Ok Guyver are you with MrSpurs, Tim has done a great job?
ItalianYiddo
Italian i apologise we were indeed 7th when AVB was sacked. You are though reversing your perspective in last last weeks of AVB. I think this is very fair to say.
tophobunty1882
Ok, it just sounded like you are trying to downplay some of our victories to suit an agenda. In the last week, arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea have failed to win against west Ham, Stoke, west Brom and Southampton, which proves that you cannot trivialize any team going on a winning run in this league.
Guyver
IY If we beat Everton we'll be on a run of 7 wins, 2 draws and 1 loss. He definitely wouldnt have done a bad job.. The form table for the last 6 games currently has us 4th I believe..
Guyver
@ Tops, once agin clutching things out of the sky. Its so random and bitter, but enough! I never mentioned your family, didn't think or know you had one to be honest, but well done, and I hope they follow the lily whites!! COYS!
Dublin Hotspur
Italian on facts, we were 1-0 up last season when Ade got sent off at Arsenal not 2-0.
tophobunty1882
Dublin I didnt say you had mentioned my family read back again, it be be clearer with a second read.
tophobunty1882
Guyver and topho, all I am saying that I am concerned that when we come up against better teams the coach needs to do his homework and have a plan, I don't see any plans with Tim which worries me when we come up better teams. We were totally outplayed by the likes of Palace, we are better than that.
ItalianYiddo
I had 2-0 in my mind, I apologise.
ItalianYiddo
He's done well result wise but the performances are a bit worrying. It could go either way. Maybe he'll get them playing well. Maybe not. Can you believe it - the only game I actually want mega scorers and winners Citeh to win and they ******** lose at home! I must be a bad omen.
jerkinmahjurgen
Italian, why should you, we or anyone on here expect more from a guy who has no experience and nobody wanted? Why are you telling us what we ALL already fully understand? The guy before had the experience and should have learned from those experiences and that is what you are struggling with here. He didn't and you supported him fully and openly. (agenda) Sherwood is simply an opportunity for you to get even on AVB. He just happens to be our manager, sadly, with respect. I didn't want him, neither did anyone else as far as I have seen on here.
tophobunty1882
Im a little concerned also, as I was before he officially signed the contract, but the question was has he done well so far..
Guyver
Guyver, our point tally with Tim is good, I'm just putting it in the context of teams played and no Europa so far. As much as I want to win the Europa it's a massive drain on the squad and to AVB's detriment he wanted to win every competition, maybe taking the Redknapp route of giving up on all the cups would have served him better.
ItalianYiddo
Guyver he has done very well with so little experience. I am one of the least easy to please. I didn't want him and was very open about that, so why don't I jump on him like many others are?
tophobunty1882
Guyver he has done very well with so little experience. I am one of the least easy to please. I didn't want him and was very open about that, so why don't I jump on him like many others are?
tophobunty1882
Italian that is not fair, there is a long way between the redknapp approach as you promote it and the AVB approach as you promote it in the Europa. AVB could have qualified in that group with the reserves IMO his managment of the squad in that competition was VERY poor and risked injury to players who should not have even been on the pitch, very poor. I dont see that a picture of wanting to win, I see that as more naive than TS has been to date.
tophobunty1882
How has the guy done well? A few seconds ago Gary Neville illustrated on Sky how not to play against City and he used Spurs as an example, not using defensive midfielders. We know that Tim is a rookie but for pete's sake it wasn't difficult to grasp the notion that you have to stop City from playing if you want to get anything out of the game.
ItalianYiddo
Topho, do you know how the Europa works? If you don't win your group you will play the big guns dropping in from the CL, this year Juventus, Valencia, Lyon, Napoli, Inter and Porto top of my head. We won the group and we play Dnipro. Do you fancy our chances more against Dnipro or Juventus?
ItalianYiddo
Goodnight to all, and good morning to the down unders. I'm off for some kip. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
Italian are you now saying there is a difference playing a bigger side than a smaller one? cant you remember that difference we had at the end of AVB where you 100% argued there was no difference/ now again you say there is? please mate come on. He has done well because we are higher now than we were when he took over, we have scored more goals per game than before, created more clear cut chances per game than before, thats how he has done well. Simply you are selecting one game to hang the poor chap, it's so weak of you simply to protect and obsession you have with AVB.
tophobunty1882
Lets be honest, the most anti Sherwood guys on here, the likes of SRV, peter and IY, have been strong AVB advocates, even during his worst times. I think that's had an impact on their perspective over the last month or so. Wins away to the likes of Man Utd and Southampton are trivialized and losses to Man city and Arse are exaggerated (as if you'd need to exaggerate a 1-5 defeat!). Also an AVB supporter will start to contradict themselves by claiming a win against Stoke or Swansea was easy, or "needs to be put into perspective" while giving full credit to AVB for beating the likes of Anzhi, who havent won a single game in 19 Russian league matches or Tromso who were just relegated from the Norwegian top division.

......back in the real world, TS has done better than expected, yes performances have not been as good as they could be and the future looks uncertain. but can we please get over the AVB complex so that we can at least judge Sherwood fairly, without bias..
Guyver
A very interesting read this, and topho i think you'll find it very interesting as AVB had 19 points from the same games as Sherwood has had, so the moral of the story is their both ****. http://theboyhotspur.com/a-spurs-fan-goes-ballistic/?
WizYid
Good comment Guyver, what people fail to remember is that the performances under AVB were mostly crap, so to lambast Sherwood for poor performances is hollow IMO.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Guyver... That ain't necessarily so... I was all for AVB. I'm not against Sherwwood...
MAN ON!
tops- you talk rubbish but I gladly accept the offer of you buying a set of accounts...please post them up. You may however find you can get a free copy of the abridged accounts and that the accounts still will not show where the 70m debt came from..they will of course show 6m debt both figures were posted on here the other day in a link by another poster...it's all in the archives...
shedboy2
Topho, show where I said there is no difference between playing a strong and a weak side. It wasnt me selecting the City loss to show how bad Spurs was set up to play City, it was Neville. I can show you West Ham, Arsenal, WBA, Swansea, Palace, Hull all games that we lost or could easily have lost. You were lambasting AVB, maybe rightly so sometimes for bad performances but the boy Sherwood can do no wrong even though for example we go to Hull who have lost the last 4, havent scored a single goal in 2014 struggle to impose ourselves and he deems not to make a change till the 89th.
ItalianYiddo
Guyver and topho let's leave AVB out of this, we are commenting on Sherwood. Are you saying I am unable to criticise him because I supported AVB? Bottom club Palace come to Spurs play us off the park first half, unlucky not to be 3 up at half time and I am not able to say that's not acceptable? I am not given AVB credit for winning Eufa games but they took their toll on us, unlike Pool and Everton who had 10 less games to play, can you not see that? All of Sherwood games were played with no Thursday football, would he had as may points if we played Thursday and Sunday?
ItalianYiddo
Cleveland, there were some poor performances under AVB and goals were are big problem. There were some good performances too, Arsenal away even though we lost, Chelsea first half we were excellent, Everton away and Man U at home, we even bossed part of the game at City away. We played two teams above us under Tim and we were totally outclassed for 90% of the games.
ItalianYiddo
Guyver go on the Hull match thread, you will find there were a lot of people anti Sherwood, not just me and the other posters you mentioned, open your eyes.
ItalianYiddo
shedboy, now you claim i talk rubbish, give me an example of what you deem rubbish that i have "talked" we can the discuss the merits of it. Italian you said it on a number of occasions in the latter weeks of AVB's tenure, it's in the archives for all to see. So you can understand, I didnt want Sherwood as our manager, I dont want him as our manager now, unless he shows he is highly likely to get us top 4 i dont want him in the future. Italian its not good simply going on an emotional matchday tthread you need to look deeper to see the obsessional which is I think the list Guyver created. TIM SHERWOOD SHOULD BE DOING WORSE THAN AVB BECAUSE HE HAS MUCH LESS EXPERIENCE, ITS A GIVEN. AVB HAD MOST SPURS SUPPORTERS BEGGING FOR HIM TO BE SACKED AS HE DID WITH CHELSEA SUPPORTERS...AVB IS HISTORY AS FAR AS SPURS ARE CONCERNED.
tophobunty1882
Careful topho you might implode lol. COYS!
James1
Topho i never said that, go and show me when and where I said, you are making it up. AVB is history why do you keep bringing him up? How is Sherwood better than AVB when you are not comparing like for like, wait till we have played teams above us and then we can compare. Inexperienced yes so why bring in a rookie to replace someone that has won a treble? Ancelotti, LVG, Rodgers even Moyers I can understand but an unqualified rookie?
ItalianYiddo
LOL, how many people can that bloody plank fall out with? Hopefully it won't go on forever. Hmm ;-)
coopsieyid
NO CLUB bought 8 (EIGHT) International players in the summer, NOT ONE, not even THFC. I'm baffled as to why people are being constantly asked to answer a question that has an answer of NONE? Let's see,

1 - Lamela

2 - Eriksen

3 - KiriKesh

4 - Capoue

5 - Soldado

6 - Chadli

7 - Paulinho

Man I've counted & counted again, and for the life of me, I can't see where 8 players has come from, let alone more than 8. I must be 'fick'!!
coopsieyid
shedboy - That £70m worth of debt could've come from anywhere, mate. £50m paid in signing on fees, then there's agents fees, buying up of land 7 properties around WHL, planning permission, consultation fees, architecture fees, training complex etc etc etc. NONE of those things are in the yearly released accounts figures, but as you can see for yourself, they all add up.

Guyver - I don't believe anybody has trivialised the win Sherwood had at Old Trafford, they're just saying it wasn't that impressive because of the fact that they are very beatable this season. Before we played them at Old Trafford, they'd already been beaten by West Brom, drew with Southampton, beaten by Newcastle, beaten by Everton... So going there & beating them 2-1 was no major achievement. They were without their main striker in RVP, and we were holding on by the skin of our teeth. They were nowhere in the league, and were struggling for any sort of form whatsoever. In comparison to last season, when we beat a team that was fully fit, and managed by the best manager in the world, and on their way to winning the league title, this season was not even close to comparing as a result. I think that is what people are trying to say, rather than trivialising the result itself.
coopsieyid
IY, I am saying you are unable to assess Sherwood fairly due to your loyalty to AVB and im not the only member on here to notice this. You can even put me in the anti Sherwood category yet I have no problem giving credit where it is due. I don't downplay all his wins and look for excuses to moan. Likewise I gave AVB credit for most of his wins and like you was opposed to those who claimed "the season hadn't started yet", just because AVB kept beating the smaller teams earlier in the season. Now it seems you are doing similar those "AVB haters"

PS Not sure why we have to play teams above us to "compare" AVB to Sherwood. This season AVB played Man Utd, Ars, Chelsea, Man City, Everton and Liverpool and didnt win any..
Guyver
Guyver that is very patronising to say I am unable to assess Sherwood fairly because I supported AVB, not loyal, patronising again, I am loyal to Spurs not AVB that's why I spend a chunk of my earnings on a season ticket. I will be doing the same next year even if God forbid, Sherwood is in charge.
ItalianYiddo
You are not sure why it is fair to compare points against teams above us or below? Let me put it this way, say there are 4 games left till the end of the season. There are 2 teams neck and neck, 1 team has Arsenal, Liverpool, Hull and Chelsea to play, the other team has City, Palace, Swansea and Fulham to play, which team has a better chance of gaining more points?
ItalianYiddo
You also chose to dismiss the Thursday/Sunday weeks when we played Eufa. Not so easy to gain points in those weeks, 10 of them, Sherwood has had none.
ItalianYiddo
IY, Im saying I don't see why you'd even WANT to compare AVB with Sherwood vs the top teams as AVB didnt win any of those games this season anyway. There's not much to compare. I didnt say it wasnt fair to compare.

Yes I dismiss the Europa games vs Norwegian 2nd division clubs and Russian teams who havent won a game in 19 games because I don't see the relevance. It's just a further example of you reaching for anything to undermine TS. Who knows how TS would have managed with Europa, at this point, who cares? Why speculate, just focus on what he has done. We've won most of the games we were expected to win under TS, what more do you want him to do? Im certain he'll give you plenty of opportunities to complain in the not too distant future, but so far, he hasnt done much wrong.
Guyver
Coops, as I mentioned above, Man Utd were in form when we beat them and had recently beaten Arsenal. Chelsea and Liverpool couldnt beat them at OT either. Against Everton, Man Utd hit the woodwork several times and had several shots cleared off the line. Everton had 1 shot and scored, they were very lucky if you remember. At the time we beat Man Utd they were on a 6 game winning streak all comps and had only lost 2 in there previous 20 games. Most on here did not expect us to win, making up all these excuses now for why it was not a good victory is trivializing it. A win against any team around us in the league, whether it's Everton, Man Utd or Liverpool is a great win, especially if we are without the likes of Verts, Paulinho and Sandro. And of course AVB wasnt able to beat this "crap" Man Utd this season, but most were rightfully happy with the draw against them.
Guyver
Guyver he hasn't done much wrong? How about getting knocked out of the Capital? How about going to Arsenal with a 442 with no holding midfielder and giving their easiest NLD for yonks? How about setting us up so naively against City that Neville made it an example how not to do it. How about going to Hull and not changing it when we were clearly awful? Plenty of other games where he got wrong but wasn't punished, WBA, Swansea, Palace. How would Sherwood have managed if he had to play Europa? It was hardly going to help was it, it is notorious the effect that Europa has on teams, has that escaped you too?
ItalianYiddo
He was only in charge for a matter of hours vs West Ham. One single training session amounting to about 6 hours, if that. How can you blame him for that loss? Losing to Ars and Man City was expected. In any case, I didnt say he was faultless, Ive siad many times on here his subs and tactics have baffled me, but so far in the league, 6W 2D 1L and currently 4th place in the form table (last 6 games). It's just not that bad IY. re the Europa, if AVB cannot manage the group we were in without it having a detrimental effect on our league form then it just goes to show what a poor manager he is. Our Europa league was the worst ive seen in years. But again, it's irrelevant and has nothing to do wth TS.
Guyver
Not saying that losing to Arsenal and City was not to be expected, it is the manner of his approach to the games that made it impossible for us to get anything from those games. Set the team right give it your best and if the better side wins so be it, but to naively approach it as he did was pathethic and you are condoning it by saying he's done nothing wrong. So getting us top spot and avoiding the CL clubs was poor management was it? If we get to Turin, massive if with rookie, are you going to say it was poor management?
ItalianYiddo
IY, "He hasnt done much wrong" (what I said) is very different from, "he's done nothing wrong" (what you said I said. I didnt say, or even imply that topping the Europa group was poor management, but the competition in that group was league 1 standard.
Guyver
Ok Guyver, we'll leave at that, we are seeing it differently, I see that he's had an easy run of games and has had things going our way other than the two decisions against City, which as it happens were not that relevant in the context of City's superiority. I will be at the Lane on Sunday and if I think he has made the right calls I will be happy to praise him, win, draw or lose. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
There's not that much in it atm tbh. Both AVBs' and Tims' side have been poor to watch. Results have been very similar. But Sherwood recognizes key ingredients that are needed to succeed at Spurs, most notably the style of play, but also knows the climate, seasons (may seem trivial), unfashionable sides like Stoke, Hull, Brom... their ilks are ingrained into UK residence, the Xmas period - all English League criterias it's useful to know and be used to. AVB was never going to turn that around. Tim might not fare much better, but he still has a chance, and he might.
jerkinmahjurgen
just checked back on this thread..I suspect no one will read anymore...Coops - that 70m could have come from anywhere but as you point out and Tops will find to his cost it won't be in the accounts...and hasn't been spent on reinforcing the 1st team. Kinda makes Levy intimating that the stadium won't effect player purchases look a little hollow...hopefully the truth will out. Tops...I would scroll back your posts and I'm sure not have to go too far to find you an example but your analogy when discussing net of going into a Tesco with money been paid for doing other work was a classic example....
shedboy2
 

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