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Any durable building process is constructed from the ground up. I don't know Daniel Levy. I don't know how he thinks or what his dreams are. It could be he is just here for a profit. Or it could be that he is here for the long haul and understands the building process.

He has displayed both patience (the stadium) and impatience (managers) during his time as Chairman. It's confusing. A lot of things need to happen for a football team to function competitively at the highest level. You all know what they are; club structure, good players, good manager, good training ground, good stadium, well managed resources, etc, etc. None of these happen overnight. They are all part of a long term plan, whatever long-term means!

There are priorities that must be focussed on before any desire or expectation for CL football. Mainly, THFC must ensure that PL status is secured for many years ahead, and Spurs have to make their mark in the PL by consistently challenging for the title. We could say that our PL status does look secure and we are a top-half team. But we are a fair way from challenging for the title on a regular basis. Domestic silverware is not counter-productive to this but playing CL football, before we are ready, is!

If we are not regularly, proven to be one of the top four teams in England, how can we compete in Europe?! There is little point in achieving a top four position once every few years ... only to miss out on everything because we were not prepared (or good enough, if you like) and there were too many games and too much pressure. We would then drop down the table for a while until the cycle that goes nowhere starts again.

It would not be a problem if we were in a less competitive European league such as Scotland or Wales. Celtic are assured of playing in the CL every year, as were Rangers. Real, Barca, and a dozen other teams are in stronger European leagues but they have built their foundation to last. We have to do the same .... slowly, carefully, sensibly, astutely. And do it within, arguably, the most competitive league in world football.

I'm sorry, but, to me, Champions League football is a lie, a farce. But I have to, and do, accept it as a reality and fact of life. Most teams that participate are not champions. There was once a competition called the European cup, a competition where every game saw two European champions take the field together. Such a competition should only involve the best of the best throughout Europe. It doesn't. The current format and philosophy of the CL is solely based on increasing revenue, and supports those that argue money rules sport and both players and fans are exploited - the players physically, and the fans financially.

If one uses the argument that teams need CL money to progress, it becomes a matter of the chicken or the egg. The Europa League has more credibility, in my opinion, in that all teams competing are there because of prescribed finishing positions in their domestic leagues. It's more honest ... well, until the CL dropouts arrive (another money generating idea).

Every team in the four divisions wants to play CL football. The reality is that only a handful will achieve it. Wanting something to happen will not make it happen. We are not, currently, a top four team. We cannot compete with the financial clout that other teams have in terms of buying the best players and paying the highest wages. All the above factors have to be developed first. But, within our current resources, we are doing well and deserve some recognition for being where we are. But we remain a work in progress.

It is not my intention to spark yet another Levy/ENIC debate - which has already been beaten to death - but to clarify the perspective in regard to CL football. So, the question remains; is the obsession with CL football inhibiting our progress?!

Written by Geofspurs



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Writer:Geofspurs
Date:Monday February 3 2014
Time: 12:27PM

Comments

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My 1st ever 1st.
SpursSnM
03/02/2014 12:31:00
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I'd question whether Real and Barca's situation is much different to Celtic. Yes they play at a higher level but its still essentially a two horse race for the domestic title. There's no doubt that the lack of European football is helping Liverpool and Everton this season, basically its about squad strength. We of course get the worst of all worlds, we end up in the europa so we get the extra games without the extra cash.
jod
03/02/2014 12:41:00
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geoffspur ....you forgot about Spurs fans reknowned patience too! lol
longtimespur
03/02/2014 12:42:00
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Champions League is where its at. To see the legendary Tottenham all white kit line up whilst the CL music plays gave me goose bumps. Don't get that feeling from the League Cup, FA Cup or Europa League I am afraid.
MrSpurs
03/02/2014 12:55:00
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I don't think it's an unreasonable target. We've never really challenged for the league, we've always thought it a good show finishing 3rd, 4th, 5th. CL brings a different bench-mark. 5th is the step down as a result, so we aim for 4th. Neither here nor there, really. We SHOULD be aiming there, while longer-term sorting the stadium and squad to take us even further, make us even more competitive. What could've been called the CL, is what now should ironically be called the European Cup. Change the name back or just have winners in it. The rest, (still massive clubs) in the Europa. It's all money. Always hindered the game, moreso now. Sheiks and Russians after what they've only ever been after and interested in. Money. Didn't take long after Sky to attract the vermin to our English clubs, did it? Getting a squad big and good enough to compete in it and the league takes time, which we've had, and look at our squad? Pretty much 2 teams and then some. By no means perfect but I do see us getting there. Our season in CL was good for us and helped us to where we are now. We can't be aiming for 7th!
jerkinmahjurgen
03/02/2014 12:59:00
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Facinating article now come on BOBBY go on the glut run of goals we know your capable of!!!!
willfry
03/02/2014 13:01:00
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longtime ... how could I forget that? It's displayed all across VS threads! :-)
Geofspurs
03/02/2014 13:01:00
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Geofspurs - perhaps, but it is not as big a factor as the mentality that comes with a lack of winning trophies. Arsenal have made every Champs League but are under serious pressure as they haven't even picked up a cup. Where it does play a part is the threat of losing players.
muttley
03/02/2014 13:05:00
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Perhaps thats just the music and not the football. There should scrap both cups, have a champions league with just the champions in, or perhaps runner sup and the a new comp with the next 3 or 4 teams in and no way should any of the campions league be allowed to parachute in to the other comp.
johna
03/02/2014 13:05:00
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They do have occasional surprises in Spain, Jod, and it can be from a handful of clubs. They have the same Sky deal now as well so the playing field will level out there as it has here, whereas Scotland still sucks. Italy has many massive clubs and is a difficult league as well, as is the German league.
jerkinmahjurgen
03/02/2014 13:09:00
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I think progress, all has to do with people's idea of success, or perceived success. To me THFC have been progressing as a club for a few years now but haven't, due to varying reasons, fulfilled their full potential. We seem to take 2/3 steps forward only to take 1/2 steps back with alarming repeatedly. Be it sell a good player, change the manager or whatever (cue Pele). We are now a far more financially sound club, with a modern training facility and new stadium in the pipeline. On the pitch our squad is one of the strongest ever at Spurs and we regularly compete for a top 4 place in this really strong, hard-fought for, competetive league. CL would be the icing on the cake but not as a one off, as before with HR, occasion. We are still not strong enough to compete regularly in this with regards to management, financial status or the size of our stadium for this to happen. If it weren't for the all seating legality Spurs would be having 60/65000 spectators at home games as we did in the 60's (H&S permitting). Thus improving our financial clout which in turn would increase our possibility of hiring top management people and a longevity in being able to buy better players. All this is now dependant upon the new stadium build. So Harringay council get your fingers out, issue the CPO and move Archway out of our way!!!!
longtimespur
03/02/2014 13:11:00
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Excellent article Geof. The CL is just to fill the pockets of the elite clubs. It's that simple but if we are to compete with these elite clubs we clearly need a better strategy. Building a bigger stadium will help and adding quality to coaching and player staff. We have top training facilities which will hopefully produce talent through the ranks but we need to attract top players. So we need stability and talent in our coaching set up - people who know what is required to compete with the best. At the moment we seem to be getting there financially, but still not at the level of Liverpool, Utd etc. COYS!
James1
03/02/2014 13:14:00
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MrSpurs I would love to see CL football, and my greatest footballing memories are of our team playing in all white. Awesome. But we need to be ready for it or we will become a one time wonder and a joke to our main rivals. We need the stadium, the manager, the players and squad, the football, a winning mentality, all to come together first. Where we are now is surely not a bad place. We are competitive to all but 2 or 3 teams. Levy does not give managers time, managers are too pressured to build a foundation that takes some time. Expectations are unrealistic. Supporters want everything now and should, if they've followed the game for a while, have a lot more understanding about what it takes. Many on here feel we are repeating previous cycles and are inconsistent, which seems true. So put the things mentioned in place and move on with a strong base. Then CL football could be with us regularly instead of for one season, as before. imo, of course.
Geofspurs
03/02/2014 13:14:00
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To your end question Geofspurs, my answer is yes... Very good article by the way.
MAN ON!
03/02/2014 13:16:00
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muttley - That is a good point. Arsenal have been in every CL, but not won a cup in ages. That was not enough to keep RVP, and Fabregas, and to a lesser extent Nasri, Clichy. Now ManU potentially could miss out on CL as well as win nothing - whereas Arsenal will still be in CL, and potentially still could win something.... Where does that put RVP now...?
TonyRich
03/02/2014 13:19:00
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Geof - What a bloody good article, well said, Sir, and I couldn't agree more. Fecking CL has broken the beautiful game, and we are not yet good enough to regularly compete at that level.
coopsieyid
03/02/2014 13:19:00
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longtime, James1, lovely posts.
coopsieyid
03/02/2014 13:23:00
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A good read Geof and suffice to say u probably have a few more years of support than me. The CL is a product that was expanded due to the financial reward and international exposure it generated. Whilst we all talk of the big teams etc what of the minnows who want to share the spotlight with the greatest teams and players on the planet. I personally love CL football matches and find it the most entertaining form of football on the planet. I dont buy the whole "champions" should only play as you have some seriously talented teams that either win the league or domestic cups each season.
Mix26
03/02/2014 13:25:00
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In my opinion, CL is only inhibiting our progress because it creates a top four where the richest 4 HAVE to be - thus squeezing others out. We are not one of the richest four, but we are going in the right direction and becoming more competitive. We have finished above Chelsea, Liverpool in recent years despite being less rich. We potentially could finish above Man U this season, and we finished within a win of Arsenal on a few occasions. There are a lot of people who put trophies above CL, and yes the odd trophy would be nice, but Birmingham won a trophy and look at them now. It is about being competitive and continuing to be so, whilst picking up the odd trophy. Whilst changing the manager a few times has not affected out league progression much, it probably has been the main reason why we haven't picked up an extra trophy here and there.
TonyRich
03/02/2014 13:25:00
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Geofspurs - couldn't agree more. I'm desperately trying to not turn this into a Levy/ENIC discussion but the club needs stability and financial support at the right time. For me the 2011/12 winter transfer window was our opportunity. Redknapp could have achieved top 3 with the right investment, unfortunately we bought Ryan Nelson and Louis Saha for £1.5M and have never recovered. Since then we have changed managers twice and sold our best players in Modric and Bale. I'm going over old ground I know but we could have achieved CL football then IMO.
MrSpurs
03/02/2014 13:25:00
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Someone mentioned, on another thread, the mid-table team that was Spurs for so long. Well, we've progressed. We are in the top 6 of 90 odd clubs and, no matter what happens, we should stay there for the foreseeable future. The next level comes when the things I mentioned are in place. We are not doing it as easy as the money clubs. At any time, some fanatic with a bottomless wallet could buy Crystal Palace and turn them into a CL team in a couple of seasons. I just think we've been dancing forward and backward for too long, mainly because of the urgency to be in the CL, the expectation for which does not allow time for THFC to develop.
Geofspurs
03/02/2014 13:27:00
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TonyRich, I think the answer might well be heavier in the wallet. Long way still to go for United, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs. COYS
peterballb
03/02/2014 13:28:00
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Our only venture in to the CL was a fantastic ride. We had it all. Some great entertaining football and some dire mistakes. Crouch and Gomes, what were you both thinking!? However, we would have had to beat Real and Barca just to get to the final. I loved it, but yes CL should not be the be all and end all. Both European comps are far to big, with too many games to play, especially if you have to start at the qualifying stage. But it's all about the dosh and the money doesn't just talk, it screams out loud!
MAN ON!
03/02/2014 13:31:00
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Arsenal are a good example. They are certainly obsessed with the CL. .... and have won nothing for years because of it. I'd rather some cups or the Europa League, than to miss out on everything ... but want CL when we are ready!
Geofspurs
03/02/2014 13:33:00
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so what is progress if not CL?
tophobunty1882
03/02/2014 13:33:00
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Thanks for the comments guys. I'll be back in 15 mins (wish we had warning when an article would be put up)!
Geofspurs
03/02/2014 13:35:00
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Geof, hi very good article. I cant go with the Europa thingy having more credibility than the CL, the problem to me is this group stage where we have just travelled all round Europe to play largely fodder many not good enough for our Championship. I just dont like this competition these days.
tophobunty1882
03/02/2014 13:38:00
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I'm confused by the article...how could cl be inhibiting progress?...are we a top4 team?..well not now but we have been twice in recent years...and qualified proper for the CL..(which should puncture the 'we can not compete' myth)..so I fail to see how that has inhibited our growth?? We could of course just play in the Championship and not bother with a new stadium?...you touched on it..what has stopped our growth is our owners...they have taken their eye off the ball and prioritised real estate over football...it really is that simple.
shedboy2
03/02/2014 13:39:00
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Some fans make it sound like a choice! CL or cups?? We have achieved neither and when Chelsea dropped into the Europa last year and causally won it, it says it all. Good players win trophies on a consistent basis, to get and retain good players you need CL football. CL and winning silverware are connected.
MrSpurs
03/02/2014 13:43:00
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I can't see how we'll ever be a consistent CL team, with the resources that requires, until we have a strong balance throughout the club from the owners down to the groundsmen.

topho ... cheers. RE the Cl and EL, I have this thing about most teams not being domestic champions as they used to be. It's one of my hang-ups. I think we have progressed ... from mid-table to top 6. We've got a state-of-the-art training facility and should have a new state-of-the-art stadium in the near (!) future. That's huge progress and a stronger base to make the next jump forward. How long does it take until we are where we want to be ... I don't know ... as long as it takes, I guess. But I do know that impatience will keep the cycle turning.

shed ... Arsenal are that example. Twice in recent years is not enough for me, but that's how it will be if we can't compete every year ... and, eventually, I want to compete every year. you may be right that the owners priority is Real Estate ... but if that Real Estate (stadium) provides the resources we need to grow strong, I don't care.
Geofspurs
03/02/2014 14:02:00
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spot on article. it was great to have been in it that one year, despite not having a cat in hells chance of winning it. But we all knew it was just a one off right?? You think if liverpool get top 4 this year, that Man Utd wont just take it back next year ?? of course they will. We dont have a billionaire owner or a large stadium to get more revenue. until we get these we cannot compete and will forever be top 6 only. Welcome to the Premier League, its all about how much money you have as to how successful you will be. this is reality.
jimmy-yid
03/02/2014 14:06:00
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jimmy ... sad but true!
Geofspurs
03/02/2014 14:11:00
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Geof, yes I know the old comp of genuine champions was very good, but the CL is simply great now, some (most) of the games and the standard of football is incredible, we have reached the standard to qualify twice out of the last 4 seasons so why not think of making it 3 out of 5 after investing and bringing in 8 international players to the squad in the summer window? one small step for TOTTENHAM KIND.....
tophobunty1882
03/02/2014 14:12:00
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The problem is not the CL per se but the qualification for it. Essentially the "top 4" rule has created a self-perpetuating elite. There is no form of relegation from it unless another team gambles huge sums which may be beyond their means to break into it. If however say top 2 retain entry but 3 and 4 give way to 5 and 6 in the following year, participation would be more broadly based. You might argue that devalues the competition but promotion and relegation is the norm to step up a division irrespective of whether those coming up are better or not than those going down. It hasn't harmed the PL. Just a thought.
Love totty
03/02/2014 14:16:00
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How can you say that a team that finishes lower can enter the CL ahead of the team above them in the PL. Let's have the PL runners up as champions every other year!
MAN ON!
03/02/2014 14:20:00
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Surprised no one has mentioned a "European Super League", its going to happen I am sure. But how you would administer teams going up or dropping out would be interesting.
jacobslad
03/02/2014 14:23:00
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I refer to the following quote by some guy who used to manage Spurs. "It's magnificent to be in Europe, and this club - a club like Tottenham Hotspur - if we're not in Europe.... we're nothing. we're nothing." The game has changed, admittedly. But the point is, does anyone here want to be playing the likes of Tromso or do we want to be playing in the San Siro? I can't answer for anyone else, but I know what I would choose. The day we give up chasing the champions league is the day we may as well sell our best players and become a mid table team. Oh, hang on, we did that for the last 20 years and was anyone happy with that?
vicspur
03/02/2014 14:24:00
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does anyone know if their is any news on a new stadium,its been qwite for a while
ghulamville
03/02/2014 14:33:00
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Vicspur - well said, to give up the dream of CL would be dangerous. As difficult as it is we always need to try and break through that top 4 otherwise we will start to fall down the league.
MrSpurs
03/02/2014 14:34:00
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It's not about being in the CL or not, it's about sustaining a level that is competitive and consistent. I feel it could be a blessing in disguise if we are 6th this season. Of course I'd rather we finish 4th and win the EL, but I feel we need to step back and re-establish the right foundation for success first. A winning mentality with a manager that lasts more than 5 mins would be a good start.
MAN ON!
03/02/2014 14:34:00
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Exactly my point Jacobslad. A super league which is what the CL has become needs promotion and relegation just like any other to avoid self-perpetuation. Why is this different to the PL Man On?
Love totty
03/02/2014 14:37:00
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Louis Van Gaal; “Am I still in contact with Spurs? There will come a moment that I can talk about that. Look at my CV. I have won a trophy every season during my club career. I am a winner and craving a trophy. This is why I am sick of being a national coach. I only see the players eight times a year. I am not enjoying the job of national coach at all. After the World Cup I want to coach a big club again and win trophies. Otherwise I will retire.’’ I hope we get this guy.
MrSpurs
03/02/2014 14:37:00
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topho ... I take your point but I reckon the CL has moved too far from a knockout cup of champions to virtually a league in it's own right, which means that the teams that progress a fair way are virtually playing in TWO leagues at once, CL and domestic. I'd prefer the top two teams of major European leagues form a home and away European League for a season. They would not take part in their domestic league for that season. The next season could see the top four in the EL stay in, with the new top two from domestic leagues. The other teams return to their domestic league. Not sure how clear that sounds, or how stupid, come to that! Anyway, it is what it is. :-)
Geofspurs
03/02/2014 14:38:00
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vicspur - Though I understand you point about playing at The San Siro etc, Napoli, Valencia, Fiorentina, Lyon, Juventus, Benfica, Ajax, Porto, Lazio, Sevilla........ Those are just some of the clubs that remian in the Europa League this season. Ajax, Juventus, Porto, Valencia, Benfica, are all previous CL finalists or winners. There ARE some truly MASSIVE clubs in the Europa League, and winning it would be a heck of an achievement.
coopsieyid
03/02/2014 14:39:00
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Europe is Europe. If we're 5th, we're in the Europa. It's no shame. The only 'snag' is the distribution of, you got it, money. Snobs, to think it ain't good enough, when our whole prestigious European history has been in the Eufa and CWC. A brief flirt with the top comp. If you got chucked a mil per game it'ld be worth it, aye? Now run along and criticize Levy.
jerkinmahjurgen
03/02/2014 14:41:00
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ghulamville - "does anyone know if their is any news on a new stadium,its been qwite for a while"..........

Taken from the CV of a firm of lawyers :

Project: Northumberland Park Compulsory Purchase Order

Client: London Borough of Haringey

We have advised the London Borough of Haringey on a Compulsory Purchase Order to facilitate the regeneration of North Tottenham which will involve the construction of a new football stadium for Tottenham Hotspur Football Club and much needed housing. The CPO Inquiry was held in April 2013 and the Secretary of State’s decision is anticipated in early 2014.

http://www.asserson.co.uk/assets/london-planning-brochure.pdf

Then this came a few hours later from Edmonton (guy who's somehow on the inside & getting the stadium info ) and it's about that CPO....

"Spurs don't know what the decision will be yet, it's definitely not in the bag".......

So, we now have Asserson Law Offices putting pressure on the council, and we should have a decision (about the CPO for Archway Steel) VERY soon. As I've told you all before (though one person obviously refuses to pay any attention), it's ONLY Archway Steel who are in the way of the new Stadium Construction beginning. They're asking for £5mil, yet their business & land is apparently worth £2mil, and they could end up with significantly less than that if they contest the CPO. Also, they (Archway) have been offered a much bigger site, with easier access to the A10 and North Circular, as part of the compensation...

Looks like we're turning the screw on them big time, and I'm over the moon about that.
coopsieyid
03/02/2014 14:42:00
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MrSpurs - THANK YOU for posting that quote from LVG. It is that sort of attitude that, like yourself, I WANT at our club.
coopsieyid
03/02/2014 14:44:00
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Spot on, Coops.
jerkinmahjurgen
03/02/2014 14:44:00
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re the Europa. It's a good competition to win.
jerkinmahjurgen
03/02/2014 14:45:00
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Another possibility would be to disqualify teams not progressing to beyond the first knock-out stage from the next year's comp.
Love totty
03/02/2014 14:45:00
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jerkin - Another excellent post, re Europa League & European football, snobbery etc.

Good news, I gotta go get the kids now.
coopsieyid
03/02/2014 14:46:00
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The CL has morphed into the European Super League, I think. Too much money in our own domestic league to boycott it. And there's really no need to imo.
jerkinmahjurgen
03/02/2014 14:47:00
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jerkinmahjurgen - The problem with the europa is not just or even mainly the (lack of) money, its the extra games which could equate to an extra half a season to win the thing. The lack of cash means you can't strengthen your squad as you could with champions league money. If we are playing in Europe and Liverpool and Everton aren't them that gives them an advantage. The paradox is playing in the europa could actually prevent you qualifying for the champions league.
jod
03/02/2014 14:55:00
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I would love us to the win the Europa (any trophy in fact) but when Chelsea dropped into it and won it the completion just lost respect in my eyes.
MrSpurs
03/02/2014 14:55:00
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jacobslad and LT ... I think we had the same thought re European League.
Geofspurs
03/02/2014 15:10:00
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Geof...GOOD ARTICLE MATE. For me, our only champions league experience has made for us wanting more. Yes, it's good to have goals to work towards, but that one experience has led many to believe we are now a big time club and deserve to be in it all the time. Nothing could be further from the truth, we are not a top4 club, we aspire to be, but alas, we have delusions of grandeur. If only we could see past all the hype that goes with champs league football. Yes, financially it aids us, yes we may be able to attract better players, but we first need to manouvre ourselves into a position where we can qualify year on year. Maybe this would be achieved better, by not putting the champs league as minimum goal pressure on ourselves each season. It hasn't served us well generally by believing we deserve to be there.
Cider spurs
03/02/2014 15:15:00
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I like having two games per week. I'd like to chase all four trophys. It's two or four more games than winning the CL! To hell with the fixture pile-up. It's what it's all about. Same for any team. If you miss out on 4th you're in the Europa. We've got to where our squad isn't far from coping with it (based on being able to put 2 teams out - not that that's necessarily how you'd play it). One of our best seasons I've followed was Pleats 3 pronged charge. Won nowt in the end but don't we usually, lol? I'd prefer ending up with nothing hectically. It's just another hurdle EVERY TEAM had to clear to make the jump. To think we're gonna be regulars without obscene investment is crazy. City, Chelsea - they wouldn't be without it. Both always (arguably) slightly behind our history, they're now way infront, without having to earn it. We're having to. I feel no shame. Same as I see no glory in Chelsea's recent trophy haul. Credit to Swansea, B'ham, Middlesboro, ourselves for winning outside the money league. Play to win. If that means 70 games and missing out on all, so be it. You can't/shouldn't pick and choose. Gradually build your squad up to cope.
jerkinmahjurgen
03/02/2014 15:15:00
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First off, great article and brings up a very good topic to debate

Here’s my take on it, over the last 3-4 years we have had the best chance we will ever get to “cement” ourselves in the top 4. We have not taken advantage of it. Liverpool were out of the ruining and even whilst City and Chelsea had the £££ Chelsea have had their own problems with going through manager after manager etc. Look at the points totals and form in the second half of the last how many seasons and its clear to see that we have bottled it and arsenal / Chelsea have taken advantage. Like MrSpur said above, if we spent in that particular window on a decent defender and a striker we would have cruised third. It was only a few years back when in January we were outside favourites for the title FFS. Ok, that may not have ever been a real possibility but 3rd at least should have been nailed on

I completely disagree with the views of Jimmy-yid and others who share his opinion in that we are not capable of playing in the CL regularly. Ok, its not a caes of qualify this year and oits a guarantee but playing in the most [popular tournament attracts the best players. Fact. Just look at this summer, if were qualified instead of Arsenal Ozil would be playing for us instead of against us. This last season or 2 has really set us back, set us back in a position where we may not get the chance again for some time. Liverpool are now a string team after a few years in the shadows, United will bounce back next year when they either buy 3-4 quality players or bring in Klopp (have to say Moyes isn’t the man for them). In reality, are we that much better than Everton?? Im not so sure, I know they have the better manager but we have the better squad. City Chelsea are going to continue to grow and because Arsenal keep attracting the Ozil’s, Carzorlas they are always going to be up there. Its going to be very tough for the next few years I fear. Pat on the back to you guys who think 3rd or even 4th is still going to happen this year but I can’t see it.
hudderspur
03/02/2014 15:16:00
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SpursSnM... Is that it?
MAN ON!
03/02/2014 15:20:00
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Geofspurs asks us, "is the obsession with CL football inhibiting our progress?!" Not at all! It's the best competition any club can be involved in in European football! What is inhibiting our progress is our owners, as Shedboy2 quite correctly points out! You all know what's coming next... ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
03/02/2014 15:21:00
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Pele10 ... Wouldn't be a thread without that!
Geofspurs
03/02/2014 15:23:00
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Pele10... I'll refer you to ledgespur's post on the other thread but no doubt you're preparing a response to it, as I write. :-) Sunny in London again. Lovely.
MAN ON!
03/02/2014 15:30:00
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MAN ON!....Is Cher with Sunny?.
Cider spurs
03/02/2014 15:33:00
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Just over 3 weeks until we play again in the EL. Can we win it?
MAN ON!
03/02/2014 15:35:00
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She's with me.....
MAN ON!
03/02/2014 15:36:00
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Do you believe in life after ENIC, she keeps singing. Driving me up the Arsenal she is.....
MAN ON!
03/02/2014 15:43:00
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hudderspur- agree...we had a golden opportunity...once when we qualified and two subsequent Jan transfer windows...we blew it.Geoaf- As for the stadium it won't propel us up the league at all...in fact it will take us nearly a generation to pay off...but it will make ENIC a fortune. Our best hope is a decent manager to manage the players we have accumulated....lose them over the next couple of years and we won't have to worry about CL or Europa (which will be worth winning from next year on) we'll be back to looking over our shoulders and settling for mid table obscurity...which seemingly some actually desire.
shedboy2
03/02/2014 15:46:00
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Man On: old vital Spurs proverb- he who posts first, posts enough!
Slurms McKenzie
03/02/2014 15:50:00
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Daws Loves Cher, especially her greatest hit, Turn back time. Often sings it to Vert's..."If i could learn backline, if i could find a way, i'd stop those runs that desert you, and you'd stay"
Cider spurs
03/02/2014 15:51:00
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Slurms ... lol
Geofspurs
03/02/2014 15:54:00
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Imagine if we won everything, we'ed be fecking miserable. what would we talk about. I fear the day the sod is turned for the new stadium, threads will become very unpredictable. Why will the club being bought by an unknown devil be better for us then the devil we know? How many multi billion dollar Spurs fans are out there? willing to throw their own money at buying glory for Spurs? Sure our ownership have problems, yes they could do more for the club, we have calls for more investment in players but will that solve anything? 100million spent on players (I don't care what formula you use to show where the money came from) and two possibly three have looked like premiership material. We'ed pauper our new billionaire owners if we continued spenting money like that and only achieved a hit rate of between 28-42%.
Slurms McKenzie
03/02/2014 15:57:00
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Cider ... I want to hear Soldado sing:

'Bang, Bang, I scored a goal

Bang, Bang a strikers goal

Bang, Bang, I scored a goal

Bang Bang, I really scored a goal!
Geofspurs
03/02/2014 16:02:00
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Slurms McKenzie, Up in Manchester on NYD I spoke to several United fans and they were depressed about their teams chances this year. I'm saying to them now you know how us Spurs fans feel. That's after years of success.
MAN ON!
03/02/2014 16:04:00
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Cider thats a little too close to the bone Just googled cher and alot of her songs would suit our club: All or Nothing; Am I blue?; Believe; Bewitched, bothered and bewildered (that could be our anthem this season!); Carousel Man (for Levy); Cry like a baby; Danny boy; Elusive Butterfly (lamela); Gypsys, Tramps & Thieves (the club manangement); I Threw It All Away; If I Could Turn Back Time; Living in a House Divided; Love Hurts; Many Rivers to Cross; Needles and Pins; Never Should've Started (for Siggy!); Our Day Will Come; Save Up All Your Tears; The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine (Anymore); Take It Like a Man; The Twelfth of Never; Wasn't It Good; When Lovers Become Strangers (for when Levy fires another manager!); When the Money's Gone; Where Do You Go (for our defenders); A World Without Heroes (for our current squad!); You Better Sit Down Kids (what we wish sherwood would say!); You Haven't Seen the Last of Me (take your pick, Sandro, Kaboul, Lamela, Capoue or a Soldado goal); You've Really Got a Hold on Me (for all us fans) and of course The Shoop Shoop Song (It's in His Kiss) 'causes its just a catchy number. Yep I'm beginning to think Cher was a Spurs fan!!!
Slurms McKenzie
03/02/2014 16:11:00
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It was defoe that shot the Sheriff down. Bang, bang! Soldado is firing blanks.
MAN ON!
03/02/2014 16:12:00
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