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Spurs v Everton: The Report!

Deja vu anyone?. A mediocre performance with us nicking the spoils. Please remember, all my articles are wrote straight after the game. No Post match interviews from Sherwood watched, and no involvement with VS until article submitted, so apologies if things have been covered already.

First things first, I have read numerous posts on the pre match article relating to Sherwood not implementing any system. I think this has somewhat been lost in translation, I'm pretty confident that Sherwood was trying to put across the fact that the players should have enough nous to be pro/re-active to scenarios in games without his instruction at times. That does not equate to there being no tactics/system, just the fact that he believes the players should have a bit of sense about the game going on around them. As for the game and tactics....Here goes!.

Wow! That took some doing, a worse performance than last week. I did not hear his exact words, but in summary, pre match Sherwood talked about us not pressing at all costs but if a player smells something then we'll go in with two or three. Here lies the problem, you go in two or three to make the player make the mistake not to pounce on his mistake. This is exactly what Everton were doing to us in the first half, in our faces hurrying us into mistakes, poor choices and poor passing. It works, and in games like this it's a requirement. We were getting closed down by numbers all over the pitch. Everton had more desire, it showed clearly.

Leads me nicely on to one of my major bugbears...Desire, or should that read lack of. Am I missing the point or is this something that should not need coaching all too often, if ever? For the chance to gain another league position and stay on the tails of top 4 I thought I would have seen so much more. How wrong I was. I'm not going over it again now, i feel I've made my thoughts known many times along with others. Simply put, no desire, how do you expect to win?

So, the game itself. We set up 4-2-3-1/4-3-3, take your pick. I actually thought this was the way to go, and was intrigued to see how it would pan out. Bentaleb again selected, with Dembele given a more attacking role. From the off, Everton were forcing the issue and in the first 8 minutes required a fine save from Lloris down to his Left to deny a fiercly struck Osman effort. Fine save Lloris, well done. Everton continued to press, and yet again our WBs were all too often out of position still loitering high up the pitch. Rose, well, I think he's caught Walkeritus. The amount of times he got forward and left Verts to cover his vacated space was farcical. Many times he went forward, but when attack broke down he stood about and was still further forward than Eriksen, why? A couple of times he did get back, but now into a CB role. Yeah, coz our Danny's dead tall isn't he. I understand the fact that maybe a CM will be tracking back to cover the WBs foray forward, but all too often Paulinho and Bentaleb were bypassed with ease. You have to bust a gut Danny to get back. If you are too knackered to sprint back, save some energy and choose your attacking runs forward wisely.

Walker, got up and down as usual. Often giving the opposition a headstart and with Baines forever overlapping he did alright all things considered, just about enough defensively, and did get across to cover the backline a couple of times very well. Crossing however was not his bag. Two minutes after 2nd half re-start, 2 Walker crosses, 2 balls hit straight into first man. Terrible. Plus side was his quickness of thought to fire the ball to Ade for the goal. Clever little beggar Kyle, no first man to beat. I like it.

Daws and Verts had a steady game, in fact, Verts did well. Often covering Rose and reading danger before it materialised. For all Evertons dominance, they kept the threats to the edge of the box and marshalled the Centre well considering Midfield was all too often easily breached.

Right, alot of you like to discuss him, so here we go....Bentaleb Watch....Considering many were substandard, I thought he had a mixed bag. He made some good interceptions, but as stated, was also got past far too easily and at times looked a little naive in his decision making. For me however, he did more things right than Paulinho, whom I thought had a shocker. I'm still of the view that Sandro/Capoue sitting as a holding Midfielder would allow Paulinho to play his more natural game. He didn't look comfortable with the defensive element of his role at all in this game. Dembele, well done, you put yourself about, beat a few, tracked back, got stuck in and showed the aforementioned spirit I'm wanting to see. Yes a couple of runs into no-mans-land, but on the whole a good effort.

Uh Oh !...Aaron Lennon. Where has your pace gone?. Has Sherwood really told you to come inside more?. How many times was the by-line chalk met this week?. No more than once if I recall. Why?. You have pace to burn, your pace is your threat, and harsh it may be, but if you are not to use it, I don't really see what we are gaining from the inclusion. Am I being harsh, or like me (and others) do you feel we've kind of lost our Azza threat?. Yes he's not for scoring loads of goals, but he was our lightning quick outball, our winger to drive the LB deep into his own half. Where's this gone?. He doesn't even seem all that keen anymore in pulling Walker out the mire through his tracking back. C'mon 'Azza Blud'...Back to tearing all the LBs a new one please.

Eriksen, I thought he did o.k, made himself available, tried a few through balls, but in fairness there was not much movement yet again. Think the movement disappeared with Lennon's pace. Would like to see Eriksen fill out a bit this summer (it appears I have the very diet to suit). He get's pushed off the ball a little too easily at times, but he did show some of the desire I talk of. Ade, yes my man. Yet again you come up with the goods. Not your best performance, but again a spirited effort compared to some. Maybe not your best performance, but a MOTM match winning one. Great strength, great finish. Thank's big fella.

Come on, keep up!...It's Sherwood time. Well, as already stated, I'm even more convinced that an out and out DM is the way forward. Not a jack of all trades, master of none. I want the masters in the masters positions.( told you I was greedy). Formation was considered, not sure if all the player selections were. Substitutions... Lennon had to go ahead of Eriksen IMO, but Capoue for Paulinho was a good call. Mixed bag really then for the Manager/Coach. Still think there is something very lacking in the desire stakes, and he needs to crack the whip on this one. Really happy for the 3 points, and knew it was going to be tough, Everton only losing 3 before the game. Alot of the flaws still appear evident as they were back in the day when we/some were hiding behind the 'gelling' process (myself included).

I think we should be expecting more from the team now, not the finished article maybe, but desire and the look of a cohesive unit surely?. Well, we march on to the next battle still in the race for forth, and still grinding out some victories that beggars belief. Sign of a good team they say, debate that one all you like. As for throw- ins, At home we're in White, Away, you'll usually find it's blue. No need for thanks!

Finally, having played his last home game in a Spurs shirt may I take this opportunity to wish Jermain Defoe every success for his new adventures in Canada. Thank you very much for your efforts, and enjoy the twilight of your career.

JERMAIN DEFOE HE'S A YIDO!....JERMAIN DEFOE HE'S A YIDO!…..

All the best...Cider Spurs.




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Writer: Cider Spurs.  Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Monday February 10 2014

Time: 9:31AM

Your Comments

Cheers Cider ... Could just about copy and paste this report from some other games!
Geofspurs
Cider, a fair view of the game..
Block D Spurs
Write's the article...Claims the 1st.
Cider spurs
The 1st 3rd of the season. ;-)
Cider spurs
We are still in the dressing room, 40 mins. after kick off.. TS has to get them awake and ready to go.. perhaps when they are on the coach, or in changing room...some Japanese happy clappy workforce motivation would help? lol.. As they do in the car factories for example..
Block D Spurs
3rd post cider.. :-)
Block D Spurs
Right...I brought it up. Lennon. Attempted One take on Yesterday, completed Eight passes, and registered no crosses. None of his passes were into Everton's box either, in fact the majority were only just in Everton's half. Good enough?. Sign of a pacy winger?.
Cider spurs
Thanks Cider, agree. I wont say much on the game or tactics, I'll just do a Tim and stand on the touchline looking confused....
Mix26
A good overall assessment I think, but I think you needed to add that we had both luck and Hugo to thank for this result, I thought we were very ordinary in the second half, cannot comment on the first half performance as no spurs players arrived to be commented on (Hugo the exception)
totuae
World cup year also Azza'. You not like Brazil?.
Cider spurs
Everton pressed really well but maybe they over did it because other than the first 10 minutes, they didnt create much & Lloris was as much a spectator as Tim Howard. Also after going a goal behind, you expected an onslaught in the final 10/15 minutes, but it looked as though they had nothing left in the tank, or simply ran out of ideas.
Guyver
TS set us up to a greater degree how we were just about all calling for before the game. According to him he asked the players to press high up, but this didnt happen. So if he did, why didn't it happen because it was the right thing to do. So if Sherwood did say this and did set up how we all hoped does it come down to the players. Sure thing Paulinho was very poor by his standards and equally Lennon and yes Cider i dont understand his desire to move in so quickly so often and yes both fullbacks need to go forward more selectively a good lesson in the yesterday from everton. was pretty awful, worse case scenario is the players don't respect and wont listen to Sherwood or at least some wont. Sandro in the mix might helps things and if Lamela could be 50% of what we all hope that would help too. Tough game midweek and we must improve as we must win.
tophobunty1882
Cheers cider. Just watched it again. I think a lot of our problems where we are losing the ball are coming from midfield. We often have 3 players falling over each other leaving nowhere to pass. Ultimately we lose possession here. Is this a result of lack of formation, player intelligence and understanding or players being sent out as individuals to win on their territory? Great 3 points, poor performance, goal came from an early taken free kick( great foresight by Kyle) and a super finish by ade. No one knew what had happened, and another day the free kick could easily have been recalled. How frustrated was verts when he had the ball, and no one moving for him to release to. Same with rose and throw ins. Couldn't get past the first man yesterday with any set pieces. In comparison to the last few games eriksen couldn't do his thing. I think that's a confidence/ frustration issue. Still, just 3 behind pool( 4 with GD) COYS.
Dublin Hotspur
I didn't hear Sherwoods comments about telling the team to get at them until after the article was written. Sorry, but if that was supposed to be us getting at them....Well?. Let's be rational here also, how many times this season can we hand on heart say we have played outstanding?. Far more mediocre performances have outweighed the performances we should have witnessed IMO. A decent half here and there are not top 4 credentials. Fine if we go down fighting, better team would have one on the day, no problem. But for those who thought we showed character yesterday, i'm afraid i disagree. A few did, but not enough, and i honestly believe if we had played like that against a better forward line, yet again we would have been put to the sword. Not asking for Liverpool performances each week, however, don't wish to witness "Not give a toss F.C" performances weekly either.
Cider spurs
What you did not mention Cider was Evertons penalty shout near the end, we have all seen those given and would have been screaming for it had it been in their box !
totuae
Lloris held his line much better and pulled a couple of great saves out of the bag. I guess daws and verts had a good game so!
Dublin Hotspur
First off, it was a crucial 3 points and a vital win if we have any hope of finishing top 4. Sadly, performance like those will not get us there. Everton should have had the game done and dusted by half time, let’s all be honest, we got away with it. BUT im not going to complain about that. Every other week we seem to be the better team, More shots etc yet draw or lose so it’s nice to steal a win for a change!!

Ok, positives for me were ADE who took his goal wonderfully, Walker who had a pretty damn good game considering he was constantly outnumbered on that side, Lloris who again kept us in it early on. Dawson who pretty much did a job on his own at the back at times and Betaleb who was by far our best midfielder
Negatives: Paulinho, worst performance I’ve seen from him. Nowhere near up to the standard we expect. Eriksen, Ditto. Looked far too lightweight. Strange when you look at Holtby’s outstanding performance for Fulham!! Lennon, how this guy keeps starting games is just a mystery. Same lack lustre performance with no end product again. Vertongehn, very poor throughout. Caught out of position so many times and seemed to be wearing banana skins for boots! We won’t be in any risk of Barca coming for him if he keeps those performances up

I think that sums up the game really, half the team just didn’t turn up. It seems to me that bar Dawson and one or two others nobody really gives a $hi7 about the spurs badge! You look at Osman, Baines etc bleeding for the shirt and the badge, there was just no passion or urgency at all. I don’t see how you can blame a manager when the players just aren’t up for it. Its his job to motivate them etc yes, but they have to transfer that onto the pitch. I actually liked it when he came out and plainly said the players didn’t do what I asked them to. It’s about time theses millionaires tale some of the flak.
hudderspur
I think the player have a "mental block" after the big loss to City and Liverpool. The team sit way too depth and only push up more in the second half.
aye-aye
Capoue too slow and clumsy nearly lost us the game
stephenspurs1210
topho...Good man!...I too was thinking that if Tim did indeed express his desire to the team regarding up and at them, and they failed so miserably, where lies the problem. I held back on the...Do they respect Sherwood train of thought through fear of it turning into a AVB vs Sherwood debate. But as you raised the question, i think the players like him, but respect is a whole different issue. Obviously Sherwood is still learning and it showed at times yesterday.

On a few occasions Rose was at LCB after getting back from an attack and watching Verts marshalling out at LB. I thought to myself, when Sandro returned, first or second match?, when a CB had been pulled out of position or drove forward, there he was filling in the CB role. He shut out a few attacks there. Now after witnessing Rose there, who had run back PAST Paulinho and Bentaleb i thought o.k this is a one off,... no, it happened Three times. Yes the exact thing Sherwood has stated in the player using his nous should have happened, it didn't, but after the 1st time Sherwood still did not instruct either CM to slot in, instead waiting for Rose to chase back to the gap. Yes the line can shift across, but as witnessed vs Arsenal, one ball across to opposite flank and you're left exposed. All these little things, which to me are basic have added up to myself questioning desire and players/coach naivety at times.
Cider spurs
totally off the subject I would like to hear what you all think would be a good points total for March. If we can't beat them all who is it best to beat for fourth.
tottscotspur
Oo RB and Rw are playing ass backward! Lennon does more defensively then Walker, Walker is more of an attacking threat then lennon! Danny Rose is a Winger not a LB, playing a winger as a left back and then not playign a winger infront of him is a receipe for large gaps at the back!
Slurms McKenzie
Right lads n lasses. Off out, back in bout' hour.
Cider spurs
I must have seen a different game. Thought we were pretty bad first half and lucky to go in 0-0. However, the second half was very good - can you recall an Everton chance? How many times did Naismith and Mirallas give the ball away or fail to bring it under control? Loads, and because of our positional play. Rose was awful but I think Walker had an OK game, stretching the play and in the second half Baines hardly got over the half way line. Dembele worked his socks off and I agree Paulinho had one of his worst games. God how I have missed Verts - he makes Dawson play well too!
Sebastian Short
WE were totally outplayed yesterday but sneaked a win thanks to Ade's moment of class. Very disappointed with some of the performances and the worst of the lot was Lennon.....what has happened to him? He has never been one to shoot or provide a decent cross but he was able to run round full backs and give us width. Now we have no wingers/wide players at all. What is the point of playing him? We sadly missed Sandro yesterday to give us some bite in midfield. Dawson has a big heart but smaller brain..he could have got sent off yesterday for that dive in tackle he missed by five minutes. Lloris , Ade and Verts deserve their places; the rest were a hotchpotch of poor passes and lost 50-50 tackles. We were SO lucky to sneak the points.
wentworth
Someone on here recently suggested we need two full-backs instead of wing-backs, the thought being, I presume, that the emphasis would be on defence. Not a bad idea come to think of it. How many times do we get caught out by pressing too high up and then can't get back in time. We don't have fast enough players to play a high line game imo; or maybe we don't have the defenders with enough positional sense?!
Geofspurs
All Sunday's game proved to me that if you put classy players together they are capable of winning games. They don't necessarily play with fight, passion and care as much as they should. The manager seems incapable of firing them up and even making early subs to prove who's the boss. TS went through the motions with a very safe team selection, average substitutions and is lucky he's not getting a battering from the fans this morning. Harry or AVB would have if the fans watched a manager deal with a game like that. I live in hope he's learning from the baptism of fire. He can only hide behind his win ratio for so long though.
muttley
Was at the game yesterday. Some good points made. Certainly we are not pleasing on the eye, as has been the case most of the season, especially at WHL. However, I think we need to recognise who we played yesterday. Prior o the game Everton were above us in the table with the least amount of defeats in the Premier League. Thus far Arsenal, Manchester United and Chelsea have failed to beat them so I think the 3 points gained yesterday is a fine achievement. Quite frankly it is a little naive for any of us to expect this Spurs team to dominate a match against a team above us in the table. First half we weren't at the races, no argument. And Hugo kept us In it with a fine save from Osman. But that apart was he really flying across his goal at regular intervals? I'm pretty sure he wasn't. One thing that Sherwood needs to address though is these ridiculous slow starts. What does he say them before they go out? It was the same against Palace where like yesterday we got away with it. But as we found to our cost vs City the better teams won't let us off the hook. We need to start much quicker and get on the front foot. But he obviously got into them at half time and I thought there was a much greater intensity about us in the second half. You sensed it in the crowd and our fans responded and created a good atmosphere. Best it's been at WHL for a while. Ok, we didn't take them apart with free flowing football but I think we need a sense of perspective here. It was a tight, even game between two very closely matched sides and with fortitude and determination we came out on top. Personally I still think 5/6th is were we will end up. Yet for the time being we are still hanging in there. So I think it's been a good weekend and not one for any negativity. COYS!
Paxton Chris
re Bentaleb seems to be a moxed bag right now although I have seen more negatives than positives. The problem is we have NO ONE in the squad that has the technical ability, spatial awareness allowing us to keep possession better and slow down temp of a game. And how old is he?? The only other option we have there is Capoue/Sandro but then I feel if you overload the midfield with work horses then we will start playing sideways football again. Am not saying Bentaleb is the bees knees but just that in the position I feel he is the best avaialable and needed. Paulinho I feel needs to brush up his act but once Sherwood works out his best team then we will be fine. We do have a good squad and with a top striker, left back and Central defender added to the mix and a couple of departures then we have nothing to worry about. Below Bentalebs touches yesterday...We need to get behind him..COYS!!! http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/695095307?-11179:5808
freddya
Paxton, I was at the game too. It wasn't evenly matched, Everton the better side most of the game. They lacked bite up front, they missed their best player. First shot on goal at the 60th? At home? The second in injury time?
ItalianYiddo
It's going to take Paulinho a couple more games to get properly match fit. He was brilliant before his injury and it will make a huge difference if he gets back to that.
Geofspurs
I think you summed it all up very well Cider. Aree on many issues, Rose disappoints, I thought pre injury at the start of the season he looked like he had improved so much after his season at Sunderland. some of his crosses yesterday were better but his defending and decision making were so poor, I hope he can continue to improve, he needs to. I agree with Slurms, we need to get the front men wide to do more of the front men wide than the full backs, yes have the back moving forward, but much more selectively at least to steady the ship and get some shape back. Sebastian does make a good point that we did tighten up and improve second half clearly, but it came from such a low starting point.
tophobunty1882
Anyone know what Ade's goal celebration is all about?!
Metal Spurs
I agree Paxton. people are going on as if Lloris was overworked. Everton had 3 shots on target, 2 of which came in the 1st 10mins and only 1 of those shots forced a really good save from Lloris.
Guyver
Italian yido. respect your opinion but don't agree. 1st half were second best, can't argue but were we really hanging on after the goal? Watch it back if you get the chance. Sometimes when I'm at a game I see it differently but on 2 nd viewing my opinion changes. I suspect we all want to play better and dominate teams, especially at home. But I repeat that we played a good side yesterday and 3/4 nil is not gonna happen. Am not trying to pretend it was great but I think you should credit us with toughing it out against good opponents. BTW Jan was superb yesterday and makes the other 3 defenders play better too. Don't forget that back 4 and Hugo were keeping clean sheets for fun at he start of the season
Paxton Chris
Good article, Cider and spot on post, Topho. The issue we're having is players doing as they're bloody told. This is what's affecting team selection and you can't blame a manager not playing those who aren't behind him or responding. From where I'm sitting, Sherwood is looking a good manager and he's, in hindsight, been very honest. From the start he's mentioned this player trust issue, despite what it may make him look like and at the risk of losing his squad. He's honest, not difficult to get on with and seems to be hitting the nail on the head. Surely the players can feel the heat as we all turn to look at them?
jerkinmahjurgen
Paxton ... I record games and often watch them twice, as well. I'm usually surprised the second time, when I watch the match more objectively, that the game was not quite what I thought it was from the initial viewing. I just hope TS makes the team sit and watch the games too!!
Geofspurs
Seems to me that Sherwood is winning Capoue over or he wouldn't be getting used. Well done, Tim. Well done, Etienne. Lennon is a massive worry. Any history on his relationship with Tim? His body language and performances are pity-full.
jerkinmahjurgen
Maybe its just me but in the game I watched Loris only made the one real save. I saw two teams working hard, closing everything down and largely cancelling each other out with very few real chances. Perhaps I was watching a different game.
jod
Not quite sure why Lloris is ahead of Ade as MOTM?! He made one brilliant save but had relatively little to do after that, apart from collecting some high balls into the box. Ade, imo, was playing to win throughout the game.
Geofspurs
I will slightly disgree about deja vu (tight game, nicking the spoils) due the facts that a) it was against someone far more difficult and individually more talented than Hull, Crystal Palace etc... b) it was against a team that we have only beaten twice in the previous 13 meetings! c) it was against a team that had only lost 3 times (Liverpool & Citeh away plus Sunderland home) d) it was not a lucky penalty decision that won the game, and the fact that the goal came from a striker in the box. Yes the goal was quick thinking by Walker, and was pure initiative, but it was completely different from AVB because I believe that previously, Walker would not have had the freedom to do what he did. I normally rip into Walker a tad, so I will give him a huge pat on the back here. He seemed to have one of his better games overall. The Hull draw away, was a good away point to a tricky team for us. This was an excellent win, and vs a tricky team. Games against rivals are key, because they feel even better if you back them up is wins after them. Newcastle is key. They are on really bad form, and Sherwood must attack them, and not let them rekindle themselves. Plus we owe them one.
TonyRich
I gotta say how impressive Everton have been this year, let alone yesterday, Matinez has come in and built a very solid team with limited resources. They work for each other, pressure the opposition, commit men forward in attack while remaining defensively solid. WE on the other hand look completely the opposite we've gone from one extreme to the other, from the AVB rigid establishment to Sherwoods loosey goosey style. Yesterday again looked like a load of players chucked onto the pitch and were told to do what they wanted. The gap between defence and attack is to big there is so much space for players to run into i'm amazed how after 10 games we've only been beaten once, half of the players look like there kicking a hot potato, quickly getting rid of it playing the ball into dead ends. and the crossing, jeeze on bread, why do we struggle to kick it over the first man?. We are still to easy to play against, Sherwood need's to get over what he is trying to do and fast, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool coming up in a few weeks these guys actually have strikers on the pitch they wont be wasteful as Evertons midfield.
coys1717
Not many comments (for or against) on here about 'the kid' ... maybe TS knows what he is doing after all.
Geofspurs
coys1717 - so you're amazed we've only been beaten once in ten. Maybe that says Sherwood knows more about football than you do ?
jod
I would bloomin hope so Jod
coys1717
Paxton Chris - Tip Top comments there. Got to look at the opponents. Liverpool have blown away a few opponents, but at the end of the day, they got the same number of points as us for their efforts. Yes, scoring five usually guarantees the points, but we have gone from scoring less than a goal a game under AVB - plus a few tannings - to Sherwood's AT LEAST a goal in every game, and just one tanning... Surely people should be pleased at least at that. The starts are slow, and maybe we should take a leaf out of Liverpool's book. We do not want to concede early, but usually when you REALLY come out of the blocks at home, the away team will back off. It nothing arises early doors - 5-10 mins, then relax a bit and be more patient. But that initial show of intensity perhaps will help you have impetus for the rest of the first half.
TonyRich
An electrical cattle prod needs to be used on the players before each match.Usual appallingly sluggish start but overall we are too slow with our passing and dwelling on the ball too long. By the time we release the ball the pass is telegraphed. None of this is anything new
cynicspur
At the end of the day, our squad IS top four quality (despite a few weaknesses here and there). Barring WBA at home, our results since AVB left have been ABOVE expectation due to the squad at the very least. Yes people can criticise performances, tactics, and player selection, but the last truly bad result was Dec 26th. Sherwood is doing the tricky job of adjusting the tactics, whilst maintaining the effectiveness of the squad. I will not moan until the results go bad. At least I do not see players being restricted as before, and played out of position as before.
TonyRich
Every one is going on about Walker's quick wittedeness and how clever he was in spotting the free kick, what I want to ask is, did NO ONE see Ade pointing out to Walker exactly where and when he wanted that ball. Wal;mer responded to Ade's signals he didn't spot the pass himself. Just watching Ade yesterday brought home to me how much of a footballing genius he actually is. The way he adjusted himself for the goal and the way he improvised to finish, as well as spotting their defence slacking off and getting Walker to put the ball where he wanted it. Brilliance.
chrishove123
We must thank Holtby for damaging Man Utd for us. I can't help but think we did well to get him on loan. Fulham have some important games that may work in our favour, but unlikely. Fulham have to face Liverpool, Cite, Chelsea and Everton. Not saying they can get a result against these teams but if Holtby can do damage to work in our favour then maybe we can rejoice at the end of the season. COYS!
James1
I missed the first half, but saw it from 50 minutes onwards and what I saw was great, good fast attacking of the ball, apart from Bentaleb when he just stood there waiting for the ball to come to him almost gifting them a late goal. Bring back The Beast he would have sorted that out with no problems.
chrishove123
TonyRich, I agree with you apart from At least I do not see players being restricted as before, and played out of position as before. ….. What about Eriksen consistently being played out wide on the left? He is a playmaker, at least that's the job he did very well for Ajax for four years or so whilst he was there.
chrishove123
TonyRich, I have to disagree that a point away to Hull is a good result ! if we want to be taken seriously as a top 4 contender then drawing away to Hull is always gotta be seen as 2 points dropped !
totuae
Anyone else think that there is no fluidity in anything we do?
spurticus87
chrishove123 - we take that point, but in the same way that the Everton defence were NOT alert to Ade's movement, Walker WAS. It still takes awareness to keep your head up and look for forward pass opportunities (especially pleasing to see a defender do this), and it also takes ability to put it EXACTLY where Ade is pointing to. Give credit when it is due.
TonyRich
totuae - Liverpool LOST to Hull away...
TonyRich
Great to get the 3 points, very poor first half but picked it up second half, lloris didn't have much to do second half as Howard didn't have much to do much of the game. The main thing is scoring from our first shot on target, if ade keeps this up then great, we just need the others performing at the same level.
Kong
chrishove123 - our left side ALL SEASON has had someone out of position. AVB played Siggy, Lennon there for a start. Eriksen has played on left maybe 3 times since Sherwood became manager. Therefore MOST games he has been in position. Who else has been out of position, barring the left back strife that AVB left us with - (Naughton), or the CB strife that AVB left us with (Capoue at CB).
TonyRich
TonyRich I AM giving credit where it's due, I'm giving Ade the credit for having the wit and speed of thought to tell him where to put the ball, in his aftermath interview with Sky Ade even said that he told Walker where to put it. Yes it was good that Walker kept his head up and saw it, BUT I feel most of the credit must go to Ade for realising that the play was on and getting Walker to put it in when he did. It WAS a great ball in by walker, but I doubt he would have put it in without the guidance of Ade. If Walker learns to keep his eye open for things like that in the future that will show his class as he is learning all the time.
chrishove123
TR like I care about the POOl I care about us and Hull are a team made up of journeymen and rejects (apart from our old boys of course) but Bruce has them playing a style that suits mid table mediocrity and a good result here and there for them is a bonus but they do not have top 4 ambitions that we purportedly have ! that said it has probably been the most topsy turvy season I can remember for a while,
totuae
Lets not under estimate the improvement to our back line that Verts return has made. If he had a LB playing out side him who actually played out side him we would have shut down alot of Evertons attacking threat. Hopefully with Townsend's return we will start seeing him on the left and Erisken played centrally off the striker with a license to roam. Paulinho or Dembele partnered with Capoue or a fit again Sandro in the middle of the park. On the plus side of Lennon's performance, it will be alot easier for Sherwood to re-introduce Lamela on the right wing!!!
Slurms McKenzie
TonyRich Verts was also played out of his position a lot until his injury, so yes TS HAS been playing players out of position. Maybe if he could drop his fight with Capoue then we wouldn't NEED to play so many players out of position all the time in the back four. Plus you said TS wasn't playing [players out of position, that only means one thing, that ALL the players are in their respective positions, I was simply pointing out that that was and is not the case.
chrishove123
totuae - basically a team that finishes fourth is not going to beat the entire bottom half away from home! Otherwise, they would be vying to top 2. You should SEE Hull away a winnable, yes, but you will not win them all. When you pick up those not-no-winnable games away, such as Southamption and ManU, then you will take that Hull point as a good point. You should try not to look at it as points dropped, but points that you expect to gain. 7 away points from Southamption, ManU and Hull is an excellent haul. So what if the draw was the Hull game, and not the ManU game as you would normally "assume"?
TonyRich
chrishove123 - yes I said it a bit too black-and-white. Generally players are playing more in position. Yes, the Capoue thing is annoying and too public. The Bentaleb-love thing is a bit baffling. I do not object to him playing some games, but it does seem like he is the first name on the sheet!
TonyRich
Is Ade our new Gareth Bale?Another clueless Spurs performance is rescued by a moment of inspiration and class from the big man.If he gets injured we are sunk.I hope that Lamela will soon return to replace the dreadful Lennon and Sandro will beef up the midfield to free Paulinho to go surging upfield.Holtby looked more effective for Fulham than Erikson was for us-just a thought!
Greavesaboveall
mostly agreed but not for dembele and lennon. lennon was up and down to expect some direct balls, which never come from dembele. well on one occasion, too deep to late... dembele never passes at first touch no one knows what time he will do, including teamates... that's not teamplay!
SpursWho
We have no threat down either wing for the last few matches. One cross from Rose yesterday that eluded Ade. Infact Rose still looks like one of our best left wingers (from LB) and is doing the things Lennon should be doing, ie beating his man to the endline and swinging in a cross!
Slurms McKenzie
Morning geof, re bentaleb. I'm a bit fed up of writing about the fella, and wanting capoue and/ or sandro to start ahead of him. I'm sure the debate will re start, my tuppence worth... I haven't seen anything much from him that generates play or holds the defence together when rose/ walker go walkabout. He seemed tangled up with the other midfielders yesterday, yes plenty of short and safe passes, but a good few horrors too that could have done us damage had verts not been there to mop up. He's doing ok for a rookie, but we have internationals that play where he's playing and capoue seems stronger, more focused, challenging and also switches play to an attacking mode far better. I'm still not sure why he is in droppable. I think there's more to that relationship than meets the eye. Whatever goes on off the pitch between players and management is fixable. Surely the team should not suffer as a result of personal preferences or differences!
Dublin Hotspur
TR I agree that overall 7 points from those 3 games was probably more than we expected but after picking up the first 6 you gotta agree we should have been hopeful, the problem is I believe that TS is at present a lucky manager, as we have been playing football far below what we are capable of and still getting the points !! Quality is forever, luck eventually runs out !
totuae
I disagree that our performance was clueless. We have some obivous flaws, sluggish starts, MIA full backs, a midfield that still hasn't really formed any kind of understanding (probably due to lack of games and injuries) Left wing filled by someone playing out of position, or Right winger having an absolute 'mare and a striker who at least knows where the back of the net is when he does get a chance, but is often out of position during attacks as he drops too deep (like a certain Robbie Keane). taking all that into account it wasn't a bad reuslt and the performance improved greatly in the second half apart from the last few minutes when Everton went balls out for the win and even then, with a bit more composure we could have addd to our goals!
Slurms McKenzie
Our midfield was poor yesterday. We really do need Sabdro back. Anyone know when Lamela is back? COYS!
James1
Slurms, I've said for a while, rose should be further up the pitch. It's like the bale situation all over again. Bale was bashed and put down as a bad omen when he played as a back. Rose gets the same treatment. I don't rate rose I must say, but I might if he played in what seems to be a more natural attacking winger / wing back. I still think we had verts, kabs and vlad as a solid back three, he could press more and have the DMs falling back to cover when he makes his run.
Dublin Hotspur
I still havn't seen a change in the team from AVB to Sherwood.

We still lack the passion and the desire to win that we had during the VDV days.
The only difference now is we are playing a striker (Ade) that can actually score over *****e-dado.

The Ironic thing is that Ade is always slated for being a mercenary and has no passion for his team, but he's the only one in our squad that looks like they want to actually win games.
Rapm
Metal Spurs; copy and paste into google ''adebayor salute celebration'' I don't have the answer, but it started back in his arsenal playing days.
spu 4 life
simple, rose and bentaleb are tired and inexperienced to get best of themselves
SpursWho
The bid advantage Sherwood has is that we have a much deeper squad than anyone else apart from Chelsea and City and it is this time of the season that it becomes a big plus. We are also out of the domestic cups. Everton would never have got this far in the league if they had Naismith rather than Lukaku up front. AVB also rotated so the squad has generally not been overused. Basically I thought we were a shambles yesterday, no method at all in our play, most of the team no idea what they were supposed to be doing. We are playing a depleted and demoralised team on Wednesday, I expect a defeat.
matt hoten
As for yesterday, we scored, they did'nt. 3pts to us.
spu 4 life
good one as usual
logos8
We are luckey ade is in mean mode and a winner and have a good goal keeper also verts.dembele in the right position can be good errikson also a stayer and the run of the green yesterday as for the rest as showen against hull and the likes no better than they got. Will we ever be top four two seasons in a row with dawson great guy,rose rubbish walker ? Lennon pace gone hes gone as its all he ever had and who are the rest who were playing. Capoue also better but will we ever see really.
bazdog
James1 His brother says March? I think he means this years, not next years 2015.
spu 4 life
oh yes. thanks Holtby. quots from sir alex "it's all part of the plan" lol
SpursWho
On another note we should definitely replace Walker with Coleman. Might aswel get Shaw for Rose while we are at it.
Rapm
Re Capoue: he is only now startign to look match fit and even then coudl have conceded a penalty late on. I think Bentaleb's position int he startign eleven is under threat now. No harm great run of games for the kid, we know he can do a job and at least we have a bit of cover for that area now. Agains Newcastle, I think Capoue should start to add much need steel and cover to our defensive side. Play dembele and Paulinho further forward and restrict Rose and Walker to the first two thirds of the pitch only. Effectively play 4-1-4-1
Slurms McKenzie
A good summary Cider. Good work again. One thing about Defoe if I may. I too wish him well in Canada and hope he ends his career happily but we saw in his 5 minute cameo yesterday exactly what we we'll be missing when he leaves at the end of the month. He was through on goal supported by one of our midfielders (Capoue?) busting a gut to run the other side of the sole defender between Defoe and goal so as to create a clear 2 on 1 in our favour. Our midfielder was in acres of space 10 yards from goal. All it needed was Defoe to square the ball to him for a simple tap in. What did we get instead? A low Defoe shot straight at the keeper's legs. I'll miss that after the end of February!
SpuriousLife
Spurious - at least he went out doing what he does best!
Slurms McKenzie
Yea Rapm thats probably only about 35 millions worth of full backs right there. And now cover for either if we get rid of Rose and walker, Sorry Noughton!
Slurms McKenzie
regarding manure- huge rumours of aboard meeting late last night.it would be a tragedy if they got rid of moyes,keep him in i say
ghulamville
Slurms,the body language of cap coming on yesterday the first thing came to my mind was this guy really is icked with this team and is going to get him self sent off.came close thank our makers it did not happen.rose on the wing is worth a try as he is no defender.coys.
bazdog
I don't think Bentaleb did anything wrong yesterday. Ok he wasn't outstanding but he was our best midfielder IMO. Paulinho had an absolute mare!! In all fairness he didn't look fit at all. Dembele is great to watch when he has space but he was just far too slow on the ball yesterday. Every counter attack we had he stopped as he took too long to see a pass. WE need Paulinho on form. Townsend didn't look fit either, didn't beat a man in his 15-20 mins which is strange for him. Against Newcastle with their injuries id go 4-4-2 with Townsend Left Paulinho and Dembele in the centre and Eriksen Right. Ade and Soldado up top. Soldado need to get going big time or it really will be a waste. If he looks $hi7e after 45mins put Paulinho up with ADE and put Capoue in the middle with Moussa.
hudderspur
I think that a fit Sandro will transform us. Sherwood said pre-match that Bentaleb was in the team because he could do the work of two. That told me that he thinks Capoue is lazy. He can't think that of Sandro so he will come back in when ready and then we will squeeze teams again.
Love totty
Baz Capoue's behaviour leading up to and including during the trasnfer window shoudl not have endeared him to the Spurs faithful, Tim was right to make him earn his position in the first eleven. Betaleb is doing what has been asked of him without setting the world alight I'll grant you but its up to Capoue and sandro to earn a starting spot not walk back in after injury. Maybe the surly french man is starting to realise that!
Slurms McKenzie
left back? jetro willems from PSV. 19 years old. around 5m. city were looking at him last year. not a quick fix, but a good prospect. I don't think Levy will spend 15m for a left back so I am expecting to see the "arsenal type" deals aka promising youngster. Here is a full list of candidates for left back.

http://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnation.com/2014/1/23/5338022/tottenham-hotspur-transfers
logos8
Spurious, well summed up on the departing player.
bazdog
Interesting to hear TS talk about taking more risks after the game. The final third is an area where that applies for me. Apart from the goal and three other incisive passes (Lennon, Walker and Paulhino if I remember rightly) that just missed their mark, most of the play around the final third was too slow and predictable. It was interesting to see Dembele further forward and he did seem to cause some Everton nerves on the edge of the penalty area. But as in other areas of the pitch it never turned into a killer pass or shot on goal. A few instinctive flicks or taking on a man in that would be good to see.
Archibald Leitch
Really good article. My thoughts, slow start is going to cost us if we are not careful, to be fair to Tim he has said he just doesn't know why they started so slow, that was not the instructions he gave, I think it is clear he has had a go at them and will expect better next game.

I feel we need a DM because every game I have watched we are letting player go passed our midfield with ease and taking shots, mainly on edge of the area. We have been lucky that the shooting has not been good enough or that Lloris has saved, we will not continue to be lucky, the CM need strengthening in and imo that has to be Sandro first choice and Capoue second choice although Capoue needs game time to get used to that DM role in the PL.

We have not got the creative ball retention player yet, Eriksen is the one to become that but he is light weigth a bit like Modric was when he first come, do we need a ready made creative player while he is beefing up and getting used to the PL or do we stick with him while he adjusts and learns his trade in the PL like we did with modric, close call if we are wanting CL.

lennon as been asked to come inside more, I read it or heard about it somewhere, it is not his game, and if Tim is wanting that then I disagree with that decision, for all Lennon's weaknesses, he has always been our pacey outlet on the wing which keeps defenders busy and opens up space for others, we need him back to his wing play please.

I still think Paulinho is finding his feet, I just think our midfield has not got the right combination and I am not sure who is the right combo. dembele worked hard but again but I just not sure whether he has enough in his locker to be CM or behind the striker role.

Our full backs are average, walker relies on pace, but his crossing is poor and he leaves gaps and Rose is the same, I want to see competition for both these positions next season.

Thought Lloris did well, couple of times I half expected him to rush out but he didn't seems like he decided not to be so rash this week and fine save.

Bentaleb needs dropping, he hasn't done much wrong but neither is he doing enough, I expect when Sandro is fit for him to come in but I still have a feeling bentaleb will get played, that is what worries me, at who's expense.

On the positives, three points at home, and I actually think we have a good squad, just not a balanced squad and with a bit of tweeking next season we should be good to go.
WorldPeace
Here are all of Bentaleb's touches against Everton. Good and bad, they are all in there.

logos8
if you prefer the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQKRw1wOLk8#t=64
logos8
Tonyrich....Deja vu....My point. Not conceding a goal, stealing te Three points whilst being less than inspiring in the final 3rd. I believe i've seen that numerous times this season. We were second behind Everton in everything we did, all apart from the most important factor, namely putting the ball in the net and securing the 3 points. Yes we upped the ante a little second half, and i know we cannot discuss if's and but's, but we were one refs whistle away from having to re-take the free kick that led to our only shot on goal in 90 minutes. That cannot be deemed as acceptable when aspiring to be a top 4 club. It could have easily read no shots on target in the full 90. Yes Everton are a good side, i also believe we could be, my question is however, why so often are we left questioning performances as opposed to praising them?. I think that alone tells a story, and i do always try and give an honest reflection, good and bad.
Cider spurs
WP - Sherwood obviously thinks Capoue hasn't got the pace or energy for a 442. Bentaleb though raw put himself about.
Love totty
Good article! Only good thing for me was our defending after we scored (except for the last 3 extra minutes). Lennon is finished and has been for some time now. All he has is his pace which he seems to have lost, poor crossing/passing/shooting -> we need a better winger to compete with other top clubs. Walker could be the best attacking winger in the league, but he cannot cross even if his life depended on it.
Jables
logos ... great link re the 'kid'. I can't see anything wrong with that. There's a suspicion of class which could develop into something special. I think he should have a rest after a good run of games ... maybe play him in the next Europa game.
Geofspurs
Well I only saw MOTD highlights last night and we were lucky not to go a goal or two down in the first half. Second half different story, same players but a different team! The team do not turn up!!!!!! WHY do we not start like that? It has to be down to TS. Either he doesn't inspire them properly to play for the shirt or he's not strong enough to react. If a player is not doing what he tells them to, as he said in his PM comments, then he should use a substitute to enforce the point and replace one. That should send a message to the others on the pitch. He can do that with 2 of the subs regularly until the players realise he means what he says. It's not as though we are so short in numbers now and have a strong bench. As a game, looking at the stats after, it was poor from both teams. How many shots on target were there from both teams over 90+ minutes. As said by some others on here it's no different to watching AVB's team. Perhaps a little more attacking but certainly no real difference. And the results are still coming, which is good. But it would be wonderful to see all these great players we have become a team that plays attacking football.
longtimespur
longtime ... We live in hope. I think our passing and possession was much better in the first few games of the season, just lacked goals. Not sure what's happened to our passing? I can't help feeling that we are one world-class player short of a very good team ... another Croatian or Bulgarian!
Geofspurs
Everton were decent but they are no long term threat even with Martinez IMO. Lukaku = Loan. Deulofeo = Loan. Barry = Loan (Past It). McGeady = Useless (Watched him enough for my country). Osman: Getting on. Distin = 36. Their stand out player is their right back who they'll do very well to keep and some other talents (Baines, Miralles, Jagielka) BUT we're in a much better situation. We've been ridiculed and they've had the praises sang all season yet we're ahead of them.... Imagine when they get burdened with the Europa League next year...They would have beaten us yesterday had they had their striker but who cares...it's 3 points. Sherwood isn't long term at all but if by some miracle we get fourth we will be in a very VERY good place even after the season we've had so far. COYS!
TopSpur13
Geoffspur.... twas me that posted re full backs not wing backs, also said about wingbacks are ok if you play a defensive midfielder. Made the point a few times about the MF too. Can't see what TS is trying to do exept promote Bentaleb. I'm not knocking the lad as he has bags of potential but can't understand him and Dembele playing together. One doesn't see an early pass and the other doesn't seem to want to make early "forward" passes.
longtimespur
Jermaine Defoe, one of the most maligned players on here in recent times, has played in his last game at WHL. When you see his stats you wonder why he got so much stick, 276 league games for Spurs, 91 goals, almost exactly a 1 in 3 ratio. How many PL strikers can boast that ratio over so long a period. There is one stuck on certainty, our latest pretender, all £26M worth of him, won't even come close. From now until the end of the season we will be completely reliant on Adebayor retaining his form, and staying fit, otherwise we have nobody. Imagine Soldado or Harry Kane, heaven forbid. We will rue the inactivity in the Jan window, we could at worst have brought a striker in on loan, rather than soldier on with absolutely no depth up front.
Frank
Geofspurs some Algerian posted it on youtube and I found it on a different spurs related site. The kid makes mistakes but he seems like a good prospect. I would like to see capoue and sandro get some games though.
logos8
It's time to rotate on Wednesday. Kaboul needs to come back in and I'd be looking at Fryers as well. In midfield, I would give Bentaleb a pat on the back and a rest and go with Capoue. Lennon would be the last to go with one of Chadli to Townsend slotting in. The tricky decision is what to do with Paulinho. I would keep him in but I'd rather he gave everything he's got for 60-70 mins and leave the field exhausted versus trying to conserve his energy like he did yesterday. We have a strong squad so let's use it.
muttley
longtime ... I thought that was you but couldn't be sure. Dembele is starting to keep the ball too much. He needs to let the ball do more of the work as he is slowing us down ... mind you, he can certainly dribble. Every time I think he's about to lose the ball, he doesn't! As I've just posted, I think Bentaleb should have a break from the PL now that he's had some useful game time.
Geofspurs
ItalianYiddo I hope you read this. I realized I crossed the line yesterday. Shouldn't have insulted you. I was an a55hole. Sorry. I am already in my designated taxi.
logos8
What does Benteleb do that is so difficult, is he a solid tackling ball winner? Does he make penetrative forward passes? Does he score? Does he provide assists? Does he make surging forward runs? Does he put himself about and ruffle feathers? The answer to all these questions is no, he simply does the simple things passing it short, sideways, and backwards. Surely the less difficult things you attempt, the less chance there is of mistakes. The guy is 19 we are his 4th club, he was rejected by 2, and one went bust so he moved on, the last club to reject him was Birmingham City, so how is he suddenly a world beater, and would he get an automatic start in preference to international players, if he was playing for anybody but his mentor TS. To think we have criticised other managers for having favourites.
Frank
logos ... I agree, and said it in a couple of posts. He's had some great experience so maybe now he should take some time to reflect. Capoue needs game time, and so will Sandro when he's back. The Europa games should keep them all happy and focussed, if we can keep it going.
Geofspurs
Right, bear with me on this one. How's about, Capoue and Paulinho as the CM. hopefully this will allow capoue to concentrate on the best element of his game, defending. Also allowing Paulinho to concentrate on his best attribute, surging late runs into box. Sandro obviously over Capoue when fit, but i do feel Capoue just needs to feel the love, he was awesome when he first arrived and many said as much. Play him and i think Midfield will be rewarded more than we have been thus far with Bentalebs inclusion. No malice toward Bentaleb, looks to me like that he'll have a very bright future. Thing is, future is what i'm talking, a loan in January to a lesser Prem club IMO would have been ideal. Talk of himdoing two roles is fine, but if you want a specific task doing, why settle for the jack of all trades when a master craftsman is available. Yes Capoue has not got back to early season promise, numerous factors to be considered injury lay-off and Sherwood's apparent snubs of late. Give him the Ade treatment(arm round shoulder, belief talk) and i think we would once again witness the Capoue of old. An improvement to CM no doubt.

So, my bear with me part of my opening sentence, let's play Naughton RB, with Walker ahead, whether in a 4-4-2/4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. Walker is hot and cold defending, and i actually think Naughton is the better defender, i most certainly think he would be with a run of games. Now i know Walker's crossing is poor alot of the time, but could this just be that because he continually runs forward and then has to sprint back playing catch-up that he is knackered when he does get to the final delivery time. Lennon appears hesitant to take on a LB anymore, or even utilise his speed to full effect. Eriksen IMO would be ideal in the 10 role, and we could play Townsend Left. Ade ahead. For me we would be stronger on the Right, both Left and Right of a front three or whatever formation we choose to play would actually have two players who like to take a man on and are as fast as they come. Eriksen gets to play his preferred position. Ade allows for the pace to play off him. Finally i think we would see fast runs in behind the backline, something that has been lacking. I'm not looking for Walkers crossing ability, we seldom get any from the Right, i'm merely suggesting, let's Bale him on up, and push him further, i think it would reap rewards, and he does have a hammer shot. Any thoughts?.
Cider spurs
geoffspur ... I wont argue with either of those points. On the Dembele and Flowing Football article I wrote about "How can they be used in the same sentence?" SLows the pace of the game and I don't like him lying deep as he gets robbed and then commits a foul. Bentaleb has proven he's more than worth his place in the squad and should be rotated along with the others. Definitely should not be a shoe-in as TS seems to think. Muttley... this is where we find out a bit more about our Timmy! Will he rotate the squad or persist with his favs. We have 2 games a week for a while as EL restarts next week I think. Hope he doesn't make players travel if they're not in the 18 man squad for the game . Paulinho was tremendous before he got injured (that f...ing CA again) I think he'll take a couple of games to get back so 60 minutes or so for the next couple should help. Same with Sandro and Kaboul. No need to play returnees for full matches. Let them feel their way back in. Frank ..... I'm sorry to see Defoe go, as he's been a tremendous stalwart for Spurs, but, as we saw again yesterday, he only thinks of himself and not the team. He could have squared the ball instead of shooting from that angle or at least shot across the keeper so there was a chance for the runner to get the rebound. Always has and always will be a goal scorer, not great but good.
longtimespur
4-2-3-1....Lloris..Naughton...kaboul...Verts...Rose..Sandro/Capoue....Paulinho..Walker..Eriksen/Lamela..Townsend..Ade.
Cider spurs
Chopped half my team off...Walker Right, Eriksen/Lamela 10, Townsend Left, Ade up top. Skill in 10 role. Power in Ade to play of, and two of the fastest prem players left and right playing in a position that allows Walker to use alot more of his energy concentrating mostly in the final 3rd. His speed level should remain higher for longer also as he will not have to get back to a RB position too much. Alot more energy left to utilise over shorter distances, but hopefully more often.
Cider spurs
Cider ... interesting thoughts mate. I do not like Walker as a full back any more than I like Rose as a full back. Neither are great at defending, both have pace to recover position when they think about it. At full back, until we can buy, I would have Naughton at RB and Fryers at LB. I don't know how TS can play both and not have any covering player in midfield to get back into their positions. He wont play a sitting MF, that's fine, but dont have 2 FBs who charge down the pitch at every opportunity. Try Walker and Rose further forward to see if they can do a job there. Eriksen is not a left forward and Lennon seems to have gone back in his snail shell. Would have been a good time to try Rose whilst Andros was out but it never happened.
longtimespur
"TS can play both (Rose and Walker)"
longtimespur
Cider feel free to take all my ideas, re-word them and claim them as your own. As a result I agree with your previous couple of posts. Which I read as you agreeing with my posts! Prehaps its a case of great minds thinking alike, I prefer to view it as a case of fools who seldom differ...
Slurms McKenzie
Cider I like your idea and it's worth the try at least untill Lamela gets back from the dead. I have zero faith left for Lennon and I hope he is either sold or made a back up player.
Jables
As I stated earlier (and no doubt Cider will re-post as a very insightful and orignial thought) Rose is a left winger, he had dropped back into the LB role as a way of forcing himself into the team when Bale was ahead of him in the pecking order and we had no obvious cover for BAE. Unfortunately its a bigger risk to try and change a LW into a LB as opposed to the other way round. As a crazy lark I wouldn't mind seeing Rose playing ahead of Fryers in the next Europa game agaist Dripno. Walker on the other wing seems to be following in the footsteps of GB and wants to play the more attacking aspects of the game while shirking his defensive responsibilities. Were we to utlise both these full backs further forward we would still have pace to burn and also a much better assitant to the full backs for the defensive side of the game. As of now our threat from the wings is only coming from our fullbacks anyway!
Slurms McKenzie
longtime...Walker to me just seems so made to be played further up. As for the DM and marudaring WBs, i want to see a DM regardless. I just feel it allows for others to express themselves more in the final 3rd safe in the knowledge that there is some form of insurance in the guise of a DM to mop up. We only have 2 true DMs, and whilst Paulinho and Bentaleb are considered box to box, i feel they struggle to find the balance at times when playing with each other or when Dembele is played in CM. I feel we would see much more from Paulinho if his role was more about attack and only defend when truly required. To do this we need the polar opposite, only options being Capoue and Sandro.
Cider spurs
Jables, I think the back up role or impact sub is the next step on Lennons career path. Bring him on with 15/20 minutes left to runt he legs of tired full backs might be a useful weapon to have. Certainly he faded out toward the end of Sunday's game!
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms....Yes indeed my friend, you did mention this very thing. No credit for me, i've been BUSTED!, something i have thought about however as your good self. Please forgive me if it appears in any way that i was trying to steal your thunder.
Cider spurs
The term Box ot Box would imply that the player starts out in the centre of the pitch and is effective either going forward or covering back. Box to box from the defensive role would mean this player joining every attack late or being exposed defensively. If we played our full-backs as proper full backs and not faux wing backs then we'ed only need one DM which is great considering we have one world class player in this position (sandro) and one decent covering option Capoue. We then should play Paullinho and Erisken or Dembele or Bentaleb or Holtby (when he returns) as proper CM/ Box to Box players. Two pacey wide men in Townsend and Lamela / lennon and one striker lets say Ade for arguements sake. Problem solved top four in the bag.
Slurms McKenzie
Cider no need for apologies - the people can decide for themselves! :-)
Slurms McKenzie
Firstly, 3 points is 3 points so on that part I'm happy. However, I did't see anything different yesterday to what AVB's teams did and he got slated by many!
Rose needs to stay on his feet more, far to often he dives in and gets done. Walker had a better game although his crossing is woeful. Bentalab is still learning although I like his style of play, simple and keep the ball moving. Paulinho had a bad game and was rightly replaced by Capoue. Lennon was woeful and I'll let Fanny Adams do the rest!

Cider - You are spot on with regards to the spirit/attitude/desire of the players, far to complacent and lack lustured for me. Tim is doing a patched up job and I really can't see him lasting through the summer, 4th is going to be a huge ask as Liverpool are playing very well and how we played yesterday, if we take that game to Anfield the Arsenal fans will be laughing at us (again).

Lastly, what the hell is wrong with Lamela????
yiddyboy
I maybe an optimist but I think we a few more games together Verts will start to exert the same kind of control on Rose as he did earlier int eh seaosn when young Danny put in some of his best performances. He already has had a claiming influence on Dawson!
Slurms McKenzie
But alas my dear friend the thought may not have been exclusively your's.....Just the post!. ;-) Nice to know at times others have the same idea's no?. I like the idea of Walker, not as sure about Rose although he is the one who's actually a Winger. I think we would see more benefit in Walker.
Cider spurs
I guess our hopes of fourth place rest on the fitness of the Liverpool front three!
Slurms McKenzie
Cider I find that agree couched in terms of arguement and desent is more easily accepted on here. If I agreeed 100% with your idea we'd both be dismissed as fan boys!
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms...I've submitted the Poll!.
Cider spurs
Cider I'm hoping for a 50% return!
Slurms McKenzie
Cider I think the easiest thing to do is agree to disagree and accept we're both right! That'll confuse the hell out of everyone!
Slurms McKenzie
yiddy...The last bits of info somebody else posted about Lamela were the numerous scans he had not too long ago( think coops posted that one), and further up in this article and what i read this Morning, is his brother stating he'll be back Early March.
Cider spurs
Cider, said the same but with rose as the example! Good idea, could work with Kyle w on right and or rose on left. Agree Kyle n is a better rb!
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin I think its a case that Kyle noughton is a proper Full back while Walker is a more attacking wing back played as a full back?
Slurms McKenzie
Also if we persist in playing two defensive midfielders (badly) and a box to box midfielder we will struggle to actually play erisken or Lamela in the team (potentially our two most creative players)
Slurms McKenzie
Dublin...Enough already!....Slurms must get the credit, he submitted the post that suggested the Walker idea, i did not have the strength of character to do the same until he had laid the foundations. He's already on to me, i think he's got me sussed. As luck would have it, he's always been alright with me, i think i've just about swerved a right dressing down. ;-)
Cider spurs
Dublin, Cider treats me the same way that Jesus treated Peter - He wants to build a church on me!
Slurms McKenzie
Oh Hold on!...Are you saying i've stolen your thoughts as well Dublin?, just changed Rose for Walker and worked the same idea?. I'm a wrong un'. Sorry!. Can't we just drag this down to a bitchin fest and move on. I mean, this is all too nice and respectable. ;-)
Cider spurs
Cider sorry to mess up your article hope you don't mind to much. yiddyboy...... this seems to back both your and my thoughts regarding TS. http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/premier-league-paper-round-van-gaal-lined-new-072731899--sow.html
longtimespur
Passive aggressive basterd! :)
Slurms McKenzie
slurms ... is that to bury you????????????? lol.
longtimespur
Peter the apostle is one of the most prominent characters in the Gospels, a rough and tumble man whose emotions often got him into trouble, and yet he was clearly one of the favorites of Jesus Christ, who loved him for his big heart.

His aggressiveness made Peter a natural spokesman for the twelve. Often, however, he spoke before he thought, and his words led to embarrassment.

I treat you well see Slurms, your tongue leads to embarrassment, hence me stealing your thoughts to add weight to your arguement. Only because you are one of my favourites you Big Hearted Munchkin!.
Cider spurs
Longtime got it in one!
Slurms McKenzie
Frank, And which player in the team has all the above attributes you have mentioned??For me him and Dembele technical wise you cant touch..trust me you take those two out of our side and we wouldnt string 2 passes together in midfield. Bentaleb is not a shoe in by any means but based on what we have in the squad and taking his experience into account he certainly DOES NOT look out of place..COYS!!
freddya
Well played Cider!
Slurms McKenzie
|Slurms...You not seen nothing yet. Check out the next post from me. ;-)
Cider spurs
Still not convinced about Bentaleb. Gives us nothing going forward and several times he just let players run past him and Dawson was forced to leave his man and tidy up. Players were pointing at him and screaming for him to go with the runner/fill the gap but he seemed off the pace. I can only think that TS is persisting with him ahead of Capoue as he'll be easier to drop when Sandro is back. Paulinho will get better with match fitness, he was on fire before Adams hack at Stoke. Dembele was everywhere and the rest of the team could do with a dose of his tenacity and will to win. Agree with the many others before in that Lennon was abysmal, surely he needs to be dropped, Eriksen right and allow Townsend to start on the left. As for the fella who said Vertongen was terrible, what game did you watch?
LOS Spurs
Peter + Church = Perch. Canaries sit on a Perch. Norwich are known as the Canaries. Naughton played at RB on loan for Norwich. Nothing gets past Cider, yes i agree, Naughton at RB, Walker further ahead. Enough of your cyptics!.
Cider spurs
I see Vertonghen says that we now have time to work on our shape!. Dembele receives a lot of praise and gave a lot against Everton. But he seemed to me to be neither a defensive player or an attacking one. A lot of individual runs sometimes loosing the ball after being crowed out, few forward passes, few give and go passes, few shots on goal, few interceptions, few link up passes, usually goes left and seemed to stand off the Everton players in midfield, Good individual effort with his strength a strong point.
camper
Cider, with your swift changes of direction, keen mind, your ability to spot an opening and ability to turn any situation to your benefit surely Tim could find a role for you within the 25 man squad!
Slurms McKenzie
longtime...No apologies required sir. I'll back Sherwood, as stated he coaches/manages the team i support. But if we can secure LVG, then for me that is a major upgrade and one that i would be more than happy to see.
Cider spurs
spu 4 life Spurs officially are still saying they have no idea when he will be able to play again. Apparently he has a back niggle as well as his shin? injury.
chrishove123
I beg to differ Slurms. I think he would end up seeing me as Yesterday's Water bottle.
Cider spurs
Camper I imagine its very difficult for a team to have a radical change mid season and to try and apply the new managers apporach on the field. Effectively the last two months have been Tim Sherwoods "pre-season" and the players should now understand their roles and what is expected of them. We should be starting to see a more cohesive unit in games and results should reflect this. Yes we've rode our luck since Tim has come in, but what ever it takes to build up momentum, confidence and belief in the new guy! I agree with vertongen and Camper has eluded to it there as well. we seem to have players putting in individual performances but not yet working as a team. Maybe with the amount of chopping and changing within the starting eleven this is understandable but we really need to establish our best 11 and get them playing together so they can develop more of an understanding of each others roles. And therefore predict what a team mate will do either in attack or defensively. Also as Verts, Kaboul, Paulinho, Sandro, Capoue, Townsend all return to match fitness they can start worrying less about their own game and start concentrating on whats happening around them. As I said earlier I expect Verts to have more control on Rose now that he is back in the team and building up his match fitness. Already our central defense is looking more solid, this will breed confience throughout the team and may release our midfield to express themselves abit more creatively as well.
Slurms McKenzie
Cider, to be fair, we've all felt like that about you from time to time! :-)
Slurms McKenzie
Same as that.. Cider...
longtimespur
For those interested. Qpr are away to a very good Derby County side tonight. Derby scoring for fun, could be an ideal opportunity to grab a look at young Tom Carroll and the not so young Benny. Got the making of a cracking game i feel. 7.45 p.m kick off. SS1 for those who subscribe.
Cider spurs
Bottled it!
Cider spurs
Just keep a lid on it Cider.
Slurms McKenzie
On topic...Agree Slurms, every now and then i need reminding just how much our team has been chopped and changed. I actually wonder if we have witnessed a best 11 once this season?, whatever that team would look like who knows. Has a manager actually had it at his disposal. Who would it be. As you state, once these factors are remedied, we might just see a stronger cohesive unit.
Cider spurs
As long as your not canned
Slurms McKenzie
Butt..Butt, oh alright then.
Cider spurs
I am most offended Slurms. I must take you to Flask.
Cider spurs
Try and container yourself Cider!
Slurms McKenzie
Its like you're out of your gourd!
Slurms McKenzie
I'm only putting up these puns because I get a kick out of it!
Slurms McKenzie
You remind of that french guy that played for united, Canteen-na
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms thats a really good post and I hope it pans out that way, we should be just settling into the new set up now and to coincide with players coming back we could finish strong. We really do from wednesday start to play as a team.
tophobunty1882
Am i right in thinking Tiote is out injured for Newcastle and will not feature Wednesday?, add to this Cabaye's departure and i'm of the opinion we have a good shout at there place. That's most probably their best 2 CMs out of the equation.
Cider spurs
that would be good Cider if correct, he is a good holder. Just hope Ben Afra doesnt have one of his days. We don't seem to play too well up there recently, a must must win as is the Norwich game, which i think comes after a trip around the world in 80 hours....fekin spoon.
tophobunty1882
Not one of your better efforts this effort Cider Spurs. Your reports are usually good to read - I fear you are succumbing to the half empty -ites! "Deja vu" from last week… have you looked at Hull's and Everloan's records lately ? EFC have only only been 3 times this year and Hull ? There was a distinct improvement from 1st half to the 2nd half … Let's put our prejudices aside foe the managers et al…. WE WON yesterday so be happy … yes we need to improve but is that new knowledge ? Let's be positive folks and get the necessary wins any way, any how because CL is imperative for next year!
Highgatespur
Our team cohesion issues are personal, I think. Some of the players are clearly not happy. With Tim as manager? Formations? Changing from 442 to 1 up front to 442 again... do some lads find that difficult? Playing different roles, particularly the cm's. You see, I think that initial 'lift' upon a new managers arrival was there, as were the disjointed performances/shape you'd expect. Then City and Hull, that time when if alls well and going in the right direction you'd see that manifest on the pitch, as lots of us were expecting around that time, given training time after that hectic start. Instead, we see more rough shows, lack of desire, players not doing what they're asked to do. Some are. Some aren't. Our games reflect we're not happily going in the right direction together. There's still ironing to be done. Reading between the lines I'm inclined to back TS over the players atm and I'm awaiting their response.
jerkinmahjurgen
What did we expect hey? We put a rookie in charge of the team with zero ziltch nada nothing phuckall experience at this level and we are all flabergasted when the team plays like a bunch of stuffed piglets with snot for brains and glue under their boots. The whole team plays like robots in slow motion and nobody knows what to do when the ball gets to them. Tim has been very lucky so far but it's not going to last forever and sooner rather than later we are going to get what our lacklustre displays deserve.
neymar
Walker on the wing? In theory, a lovely thought but he's got no end product. I THINK he started off there and got moved back as a result. He might prove me wrong, given the chance but I could play on the LEFT and put better crosses in than he does. If you think this is Lennons' downfall...
jerkinmahjurgen
Taking advantage of the free coach travel to Geordieland on Wednesday - I really hope that Spurs start the game in the first minute - it's pretty drafty up in the clouds at the SportDiect Stadium…. COYMS!!!! (Please Timmy play Capou from the start ..)
Highgatespur
neymar, I personally cannot see that one loss in 9 PL matches can only be seen as lucky. Do you honestly believe that?
MAN ON!
Somewhat proving your Neymar, if you were at the game - did you JV shouting at all n sundry including Dawson about their coverage in the first half and then Eriksen vociferously indicating to Walker to put some into his crosses after the upteemth attempt to cross at ground level to the first man in defence ? I'm convinced that they don't seem to work o improvement during training sessions. But please keep winning !!!!
Highgatespur
Highgate...I will always try and put it down the way i see it. If anything the scales usually tip toward the positive elements more so than the negatives. Chance wise, game was equal, defence marshalled alot of their threats well, already mentioned. Lack of desire, stated as much by Sherwood post match. Very happy for the win, very concerned about our continual slow starts resulting in the away team nearly always coming out of the traps quicker than ourselves and dominating. This is the desire i am seeking, us dictating from the off, can that be deemed a negative?, for me no, and as for performance, as stated, some decent, some damn right shoddy. Seen the Lennon passes post?, what cross?, Rose stood watching in the oppo's final 3rd for periods when oppo in attack, not doom and gloom, just the way i saw it. However, i'm looking forwartd to writing the post Newcastle match after we thrash them 5-1. I have to write the good with the bad, i promised myself and others that if i was to take the gig and write the articles, i'd write them the way i saw it good and bad. If i am seeing something wrong, that's fine, debate is all good for me. But let's hear why it is wrong, i'm all for reflection.
Cider spurs
As for managers...Bothered not. they come and go like the seasons or the tides. ;-)
Cider spurs
AH!...I see, a contradiction post from yourself Highgate. My article questions the performance and desire. You then feel that my thoughts have become somewhat "Glass half empty". How can you then comment on the very things i have raised in article?.

"Somewhat proving your Neymar, if you were at the game - did you JV shouting at all n sundry including Dawson about their coverage in the first half and then Eriksen vociferously indicating to Walker to put some into his crosses after the upteemth attempt to cross at ground level to the first man in defence ? I'm convinced that they don't seem to work o improvement during training sessions. But please keep winning !!!!"...kind of points to performance and desire issues to me. :-) Best i put it in an article!
Cider spurs
neymar creative post (very) and with you all the way til the last bit, why cant it go the other way from now?
tophobunty1882
Cider, slurms. Been out all day in the midlands, but seems were all off the same page, our left/ right backs are wingers, maybe our DMs are and, strikers are and, wingers are shiiite, keeper is a sweeper and managers a coach. Well the first bit seems true! Remember bale?(wrote it earlier) bad omen at LB, good winger! Lol
Dublin Hotspur
Apologies Highgate...Thank you for your kind words stating you usually find my articles good to read. Most kind. Good luck with the geordie weather, i'm sure a few pre-match slurps will help to warm yer' cockles. A side question, if we fail to finish 4th, do you want us to finish 5th and secure Europa league?, bearing in mind as of next season the eventual winner qualifies for champs league?, or do you see it as too much of a distraction and you feel we would have a better chance of securing 4th spot next season without the Thursday/Sunday scenario?. Not a question exclusively for you, but you suggested it was imperative we qualified for champs league.
Cider spurs
Cider, I also think Remy is still banned for our match, so a major striker and goal scoring threat out for them too! enjoy the wonderful newcastle toon and the people who reside there, anyone who is travelling. I love that place!!! and a result will make it all the better for you all!
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin...Moving inland will not save you from the water, it will find you, run i tell you, run for your life!.
Cider spurs
Dublin...Yes i forgot about Remy. i think you're right. Keep Ben Arfa shackled and i'm kind of thinking we're in with a half decent shout. We need a very good February, March looks a tough prospect IMO.
Cider spurs
Would take any European qualification over none. Would take any beaten semi-finalists over 3rd round exit. Are you suggesting we throw games?
jerkinmahjurgen
just watched 1 min 28 secs of the QPR game, is this a time warp or is the diff between prem and championship so vast? and is Barton's new hairdresser called Bruno?
tophobunty1882
Slurms, the bunkers were saturated I tell you, saturated, safely back in the Dublin mountains now!!!
Dublin Hotspur
jerk...Throw games?. most certainly not. Some see the Europa as a distraction and hampering to League final standings. Myself i love seeing Spurs play, so i am happy for us to be in as many competitions as possible. I was just trying to gauge opinion, and wondered if there was any merit in the thought that Liverpool are most probably doing well without the added midweek game to pick up injuries and zap energy. Would it be the case if they were in Europa?.
Cider spurs
Thing is we've been raising our levels to include Europe for a while and our squad size reflects that, aided by good financial management. Based on that the club MUST value the cups. We all should - it's all we ever win! I shouldn't assume you meant throw games. You could mean get 5th but not put the effort into Europe. What am I?? I know we've had issues up front and LB and with injuries generally, but we're close to having a squad that has no excuses to not try on all fronts. We'll never be CL standard if we can't have good runs in the Europa and domestic cups along the way. What are we expecting? FM style win the league at last then another 8 times in 11? lol. If finishing 4th is the big issue, we're in ground-hog day forever. If we play to our potential... if every club does we're gonna be 6th. Play to win as a default. Might just be if we win enough consecutively we'll pop up there and win the league. But we finish 4th and the big boys steal our players. I don't rate our chances of keeping them if we win it.
jerkinmahjurgen
Spurs have a secret agent in PL.. Holtby... Chavs have Lukaku.. Jose put hin with Everton cos he will take points of top 5 teams, but not chavs... TS / Baldi must have seen this and thought.. If it works for him.. it will work for us. Lo and behold.. Lewis played a world class assist pass to sidwell.. and 1-0.. did the same again but 2nd assist Darren Bent header equalizes..... COYS..
Block D Spurs
Jenas for Carroll is that the wizard of oz?
tophobunty1882
Really worried about the way we now are always so slow to start, we have not scored in the first 15 minutes of any premiership match all season whch is bad but what is even worse is how bad we defend, we almost try to give the game away. Against the scum next month we won't get away with that and we really do not want to get embarrassed. Adebayor got my MOTM vote, not only for his quality goal but the hard graft he put, very isolated yesterday but still made a nuisance of himself. Walkers quirking thinking free kick deserves a lot of credit as well.
T.H.F.Chris
Cider, I do enjoy reading your thoughts… your point "A mediocre performance with us nicking the spoils." irked me greatly… hull and everton were two different games - a draw with a side four losing games on the trot previously and Everton with only 3 losses ALL season and in direct competition… I was dismayed last week especially with the 500 mile round trip including 1h wait in the traffic jam in Hull…. I was very pleased with our win yesterday … it was a Win nothing less. The performances at both games were abysmal - fellow Spurs fans promised me that these sort of performances were AV's fault so why are they continuing after he's gone ?…. I have come to terms with what's going on at Spurs - none of it are the players fault… you can't really blame ethe players for all the fiasco that there has been - they are a great squad the present position lies testimony to that. I can't wait for the season to end, want to hail the new season with Champions League on tow….that is a must for me. I have been to every game thus far this season except for the euromega-two-days-a-game trips…. I have accepted that the team aren't going to play as a unit nor with the expected flamboyance and style as I don't think the present coaching team know how to promote it and don't train as such in training sessions - the two incidents yesterday showed that… we are being sold a pup but we are winning and I will support the CLUB… I may be proved wrong but enough is enough but for NOW I will take the winning above good display …that will come …. in this EPL winning matters most … I can wait for the exhilarating shows but not the results… results which will get to us to the 'promised land' I hope. Foolhardy I may be I do love Spurs and I want us end up in the highest place in league to achieve the "success"… winning games will get us those not the brilliant displays asof yesteryears as we all know to our costs! Keep up the great work in writing up your post they are truly great and appreciated and do keep that glass half full.
Highgatespur
Slurms/Cider ... Just like to point out that I have said everything that everyone else on VS has said ... and I said it before they were all born. But then, of course, apart from having a longer past, I do live in the future! lol :-)
Geofspurs
MAN ON! - it's hard to believe that it can be anything other than beginners luck because there is very little sign that as a team, or as individuals, we just don't seem to be able to play as CL contenders. Yes, 1 loss in 9 but very few of those were deserved or unanamous. As a yid, I say may the luck continue and hopefully it will rub off and somehow the wins will inspire a bit of spark and magic to inject some soul into the lacklustre displays. But as others have commented, at this stage of the race, rather the points than the displays. If our timmy can somehow get results at barcodes, bindippers, scum 1 and scum 2, whilst maintaining expected flow of points against the PL's lesser lights, then I will be the first to eat humble pie and admit luck had nothing to do with it!
neymar
MAN ON ... I think that one loss in nine games is very lucky. I also think that we were very lucky in 1960/61!!
Geofspurs
No, luck has plenty to do with it - remember 2012, 2013 ? We've a great squad of players who are awaiting co-ordinatorship…. come on you spurs or COYMS - hey did anyone notice the tweets on the scoreboard - are they now expecting fans to ignore the game and read them during the game and also what's happened tp the flags ??!!
Highgatespur
Cider ... That is exactly my own philosophy on managers. Whoever the manager is, I'll just keep supporting my team. It is what it is, and I try to enjoy 'what is'!
Geofspurs
Frank, cheers for the REAL stats on Defoe, 276 league games for Spurs, 91 goals, almost exactly a 1 in 3 ratio. And how many of those goals came from the bench? Imagine his figures had he been a regular starter? Anyway to the stadium going public he is a hero, I mean what players name has got sung more at the club than "Jermaine Defoe he's a Yido" in the past half decade or so??? Ade get's injured, it's season over...
Pele10
Frank, and let's not forget Defoe is the leading all time scorer in European competition in the history of THFC! And yet that total loser of a football chairman Levy went and sold him at the pivotal home stretch point of the Premiership season, whilst we are still in Europe, during the 30th Anniversary season of the last time we won the EUFA Cup! Thick as a Scrooge!!!
Pele10
Geof, I'm still waiting on those lottery numbers from tomorrow! And don't give me no bull plop about temporal causality loops or predestination paradoxes. !
Slurms McKenzie
Dublin sorry to hear about your brush with precipitation, I know up there in Dubberland it seems like they'll be stocking Noah's ark in Ikea but down here in the Northwest we just view it as a light drizzle and a grand soft day. Still take care dude.
Slurms McKenzie
This users on this site are so negative. It may not be pretty, but it works. We have a world class keeper (he is part of the team). Remember schmeichel at United. he made a huge difference, did their fans moan and complain when Newcastle outplayed but united still won 1-0 thanks to Schmeichel's acrobatics. Sherwood has done MUCH better than expected and his average points tally in the EPL is 2.22/game. That's 84 points for 38 games. You go do the math. And we still have not played well....so guys, chin up. life is good so enjoy it. in TS we trust. COYS
gRAMMSTEIN
gRAMMSTEIN, agreed. Our home games Points per game has increased from 1.4 to 2 in Sherwood reign. Also our alreay good away record has also improved under Sherwood. Except for City battering at home & a away draw to Hull, we havent dropped any points in his reign.
sydqcb5
Point is, luck or not, as a squad we are far better than some of the teams we have played. Even tough we were terrible in some games, that terribleness has been good enough to overcome those teams. Thats the reality. Also remember that we have had dreadful injuries to our defensive game. I still dont think we would have lost 6-0 to Liverpool at home, had we had a proper CB & LB (& had Paulinho not been red carded). Sterling ripped Naughton & Fryers in that game & Suarez, Sturrdidge had a field day against Capoue. ALso City away, we started the game dreadfully conceding after 13 sec - meant we were never in the game. Against City at home, that disallowed goal & penalty had gone our way, result could have been different as well.

Overall we have had our case of ill luck as well. Infact Liverpool are lucky not to have massive injury problem.
sydqcb5
I think luck has a lot to do with our results since TS took over I don't dislike the bloke and will as others have said support spurs whatever happens, I am just disappointed that we still do not look a cohesive unit, and I know TS has not had the job long but he has been around spurs a long time and irrespective of him working with the younger players everyone should know him, senior players should have been taking an interest in their younger counterparts and how they were playing under TS, I find it interesting that that at this stage they do not yet understand what he wants from them ! yet by Ade admission the team knew what AVB wanted they just didn't agree with it(or he didn't)The players must also take some of the blame for the lackluster performances this season, they have not exactly lit up the footballing world, I guess part of the reason that some of them did not leave in January was that they have not excited any managers out there, TS needs to get his message across so it is understood, and the players need to man up and show why we paid so much for them, I love that we are picking up points but I am far from impressed with how we are playing, and for those who disagreed with the walker to midfield idea, One Gareth Bale was playing as a wing back with very little end product then in a masterstroke HR moved him to midfield and we all know what followed !!
totuae
Highgate...A very calming post. A while back i myself was posting along the lines of accepting the current situation for what it was with the manager change, 7 new signings and copious amount of injuries. I suppose it appears i have flirted with the "Dark side", and maybe i need to remind myself of all the elements that could have de-railed our season, but have not thus far. I am happy, but i suppose all the aforementioned problems have gone on so long and rolled into one, that i sometimes forget them. Maybe by choice, maybe because it has become the norm, i know not. But yes, you are right, we are holding our own, are still in the mix, have beaten some teams where other big clubs have faltered, so yes, maybe a "great win, poor performance" would have been suffice. As for the squad....Brilliant, just needs a little more desire at times, but maybe with so many changes, until we see a settled starting 11 week in week out with injured returning getting match fit, we'll have to accept the way it is and be happy with where we are,
Cider spurs
Slurms, ha ha, I'm sure what we are getting would seem like a spring shower to you. Where are ya, mayo, donegal, Sligo? Say you've been getting battered up there!
Dublin Hotspur
Cider I agree with the majority of your thoughts re. the ideal set up of our midfield, and further forward. Longtimespur I take your points re, Defoe, but the crux of my point was his goal scoring stats, which after all is the factor by which strikers are measured, are impressive, and the current lack of alternative abilities up front. with the marked exception of Adebayor, and the fact that we have recently paid £26M for a pretender, who I am prepared to state will never emulate these stats. It is approaching the time when we really should start to contemplate the fact that we just might, or almost certainly have, got it wrong, especially now that he can't even get a game. We have to admit that he was an unwise buy due to the size of the fee @ £26M, his age, his acknowledged limitations that are patently obvious from his published career stats, his lack of physicality, and his obvious lack of resale value. To continue burying our head in the sand claiming "he will suddenly come right, and start producing" is naive in the extreme. It is not as though we haven't been here before, I and Longtimespur are both unfortunate enough to remember both George Graham's Rebrov signing, and Glen Hoddle's Postiga folly, they were both expected to "crack eggs with big sticks", and were both abject failures. Yes any club can get it wrong, but it is unfortunate that a club with alleged limited cash resources, can get it £26M wrong. I would have preferred, and said so at the time, re. both players, that we had taken a much cheaper punt on either Daniel Sturridge, or Wilfried Bony, at least both can 1) Get into the team, and 2) Can score goals, and both are of an age whereby their value will accrue should you ever wish to sell them on.
Frank
Sligo, Dublin and its been cold the odd day, a bit of heavy rain last week but other then that its been fairly claim compared ot some years. By some freak of nature we seem to be avoiding all the heavy storms that are battering the west coast. It makes a nice change to be getting the best of the weather going!!!
Slurms McKenzie
Ah lovely part of the island. yeah it seems the worst of it has been clare, Galway and Cork, missed you somehow? thats mad, still, another storm coming in today, so this one might get ya!
Dublin Hotspur
Cider, I find the only to keep myself calm and still see my beloved Spurs - is just accept the situation that present themselves… just to give you a picture - I didn't want Redknapp, didn't want AVB and (sorry) didn't want the present one BUT my support for Spurs is unswerving been to about 80% away and 100% home games in the last 5 years or so…. I will shout moan as the next one but all I look for first and foremost is a win… as soon as I say we lost but didn't we play well… that was alright at school but not now especially when the squatters seem to be doing a lot better than us!!! I can wait for the performances but it's the points we need now! On another point it's refreshing to hear someone else is following Mr Rose like I am … I do look what he's doing when he has lost the ball up fields… he ambles (advisedly) sometimes the opposition is at our 18 yard box while he is still at the furtherest point… he just doesn't seem to get the idea that his primary role is to defend… if he has no cover don't go upfield… if he is meant to make sure the people meant to cover him know about. I think Walker gets a lot of flak undeservedly - a few mistakes but all the good work ignored… I nominate Mr Rose as one of yours "unuenthused" …. Lastly - Europe any day … of course we should be in EC BUT only if we fail to get into the CL… If UEFA Cup was good enough for the like of Jennings, Knowles, Mullery, Pratt, Beal England,Pearce, Perryman, Chivers, Gilzean, Roberts, Hoddle, Hazard, Hughton, Archibald Crooks then it's good enough for the present lot! Take care Bud
Highgatespur
I think it's a true statement of HR's ability in the way he's failing with QPR - they should be clear at the top by now… not impressed with BAE and Carroll's getting a lot of moans from the Rs!
Highgatespur
Frank, I also liked Defoe and was dismayed when he left for Portsmouth - equally delighted when he used the return ticket… I was horrified when a mate pointed out that he scored ZERO premiership goals in 2013…. I'll say that he left at the right time for him and us… 6m not bad and 100k per week not bad for him either… hopefully Kane Soldado and Adebayor will take us to the finish line and CL!!!
Highgatespur
Highgate....I commend you sir. For the amount of outlay you've spent on supporting the team, if anybody had reason to be miffed at times, then i feel you would be within your rights. But to take the bad with the good so well, is a sign of a very stour supporter. That has to be admired. Have a good night in Geordie land, and hopefully catch you in the post Newcastle article at some point.
Cider spurs
Highgatespur, perhaps Adebayor will manage to get us a top 4 place, if he gets injured, or suspended, or loses his form, we are stuffed, neither of the other two could take us anywhere, at least not upwards.
Frank
Frank, here's hoping the others will raise their game and step up as the situation demands - here's hoping everyone stays fit. COYMS
Highgatespur
Luck has a lot to do with everything in life. It's often about being in the right place at the right time. I was very lucky to be standing on the shelf, behind the goal, in 1960!
Geofspurs
i'd rather be consistently lucky (United) in the last 20 years than good and unlucky. (spurs for the last 30 years)
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