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A Question Of Management

The uncomfortable annual reality check that is the Deloittes report on football revenues has been published. It shows we are the 14th club in Europe, with only a third of the income of the number 1, Real Madrid.

More importantly it shows we are 6th among English clubs, with even Liverpool in 5th having 40% more income. To me this has implications for the type of manager we need. To try and explain what I mean lets look at a current pretender; Louis Van Gaal.

Van Gaal started in management in 1991 with Ajax and has since managed Barcelona, Bayern, AZ and the Dutch national side. It looks an impressive resume and he has won things at every club, so what's the problem? In Germany and Spain Louis has won league titles with clubs that expect to win league titles, the big teams with resources to match. Arguably his most impressive achievement was in 1995, almost 20 years ago, when he won the Champions league with Ajax. But this was the end of the era when Dutch football was punching way above its weight, when the Dutch stars were still playing in Holland and mostly for Ajax.

You could argue that Van Gaal leaving for Spain in 1997 marked the end of that era, certainly when he returned to Holland to manage AZ in 2005 he could make no impact outside domestic football. What you are left with is a manager who gets teams to where they ought to get to, if you give him the resources he will get results. But what Deloittes is telling us is that we don't have those resources. There's a difference between what Van Gaal achieved with Bayern and Barcelona and what Ferguson did with Aberdeen, Mourinho with Porto, Brian Clough with Nottingham Forest. Its the difference between meeting expectations and exceeding them, and what Deloittes is telling us is we need to exceed them.

Basically we are number six in terms of revenues, we need to finish in the top four annually simply to close the gap. This won't change until we have built and paid for a new stadium. So with managers we are in the same position as we are with players, if you can't afford the superstar you need to find the player before he becomes a superstar. Once the Ferguson's and Mourinho's have overachieved with smaller clubs they move outside our price range so we need to find them on the way up.

In that respect Levy's instincts in signing AVB were right, the problem is he seems a particularly poor judge of managers. But to me there's no point in pretending we have some sort of entitlement to Champions league football, that any competent manager should be able to deliver it on a regular basis. The reality is we need a manager to overachieve, a gamble that comes off, someone on the way up not the way down, and your guess is as good as mine as to where we find him.

Written by jod



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Writer:jod
Date:Tuesday February 11 2014
Time: 10:20AM

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always important
Big Ron
11/02/2014 10:32:00
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As long as we have TS I am right behind him. I still reserve the right to moan about his decisions and the way he sets the team up to play, but I will still not call for his head as we are doing splendidly considering all the upheaval and changes we have had to go through.
chrishove123
11/02/2014 10:37:00
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Good article. Fergusons success at United was not overnight though and he had to rebuild a failing team over the course of a few years. With a team of much less financial weight like Spurs the same could be achieved with the right guy in charge. Patience is needed along with trust and a wise, if limited investment in suitable players.
MAN ON!
11/02/2014 10:38:00
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Acording to the Opta stats we are at the top for away teams.
chrishove123
11/02/2014 10:38:00
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By the way, could this be in some way classed as tapping up our goalkeeper. …………………………………………………………………………………. http://www.givemesport.com/429662-arsenal-striker-persuades-tottenham-star-to-cross-divide?autoplay=on
chrishove123
11/02/2014 10:38:00
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chrishove123 .... Agree re TS, whilst he's here let's back him to the hilt. IMHO He's not charismatic, doesn't show much in the way of tactics or substitutions nous, can't get the team playing from the start of a game but who knows he might become the new Fergie! Stranger things have happened.
longtimespur
11/02/2014 10:51:00
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It's really sad the way the game has degenerated into the financial institution it is today - I have had many joyful, exhilarating seasons supporting Spurs when we lost more than we ever did, were guaranteed of a good cup run( when the cups meant something) and I never envied the success of United, Liverpool or Arse ( Chelski and City were never a threat ) - we were a proud bunch back then!
Durbanspur
11/02/2014 10:52:00
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Jod, good article. We all know we are punching above our weight on this front, but we are doing well with it and have a great squad. We always seem to generate some world class players and that should attract a lot of top managers. Realistically we are a bit of a poison chalice when it comes to managers, as the first hint of underachieving results in a sacking or mutual parting of ways. It should be the other way round where a respected manager should be given time to embrace what we have and take us from where we are to higher levels through his coaching experience and getting the best out of what we have on the pitch. We could certainly afford a big purchase here and there to bolster the team once we show on the pitch we are a force to be reckoned with. In tandem with this we really need our ground capacity to increase through the new stadium which will increase our revenues dramatically, and get us closer to the turnover of our direct competition. When this happens we will be much more attractive to players and managers, building a desire to be part of THFC. Wages and pedigree of player will improve. It's very speculative on my part, I admit, and I believe It's a long slow burn from here, but I believe we will get there. For now, or until we have the new stadium anyway, it is as you say about managing expectations, but it is possible to exceed those expectations with the right man in charge. We are doing so to a point at the moment, as a club and as fans we have to hope for the best but expect us to be around top 4 for the time being.
Dublin Hotspur
11/02/2014 10:52:00
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longtimespur Mind you AVB had problems revving the team up for the start of games, so not a lot seems to have changed ….. (yet) …..
chrishove123
11/02/2014 10:54:00
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Call me deluded if you like, but I am still pretty optimistic of fourth, this last weekend shows it is still there for us to lose.
chrishove123
11/02/2014 10:54:00
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I think this is a very good article Jod, would be interesting to know who's name on the back of the shirt is selling in high numbers at present, managers can attract better/different players when they arrive and have the chance to sell their philosophy to players to get them in, with us chopping and changing managers there is never enough time for this to happen, but revenues for shirts go up when you sign a star or a few stars as does your attractiveness for the corporate boys with advertising and sponsorship, we currently have some good players but how many great players do we have ? that would sell shirts to a global market ? do not fall in to the trap that it is just a stadium that will lift our revenues. But a long term manager with a plan would be the first starting point, being honest who do you think TS could attract to spurs at present ?
totuae
11/02/2014 10:54:00
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People go on about we have been lucky and that luck must run out some time soon. Look at how lucky chelski were the season we got 4th and they won CL, that is the sort of luck that makes champions, and you make your own luck with effort and work because that way you make the opportunities for luck to knock it doesn't just happen. Funny how the "luckiest" teams are often the ones that work the hardest on and off the pitch.
chrishove123
11/02/2014 10:59:00
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jod... an interesting article and informative. I didn't realise those stats about LVG's management positions.
longtimespur
11/02/2014 11:02:00
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chrishove123, I'm as deluded as you are.....
MAN ON!
11/02/2014 11:04:00
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chrishove123....... sorry I can't agree 4th is ours to lose as we aren't 4th atm Liverpool are. With a far better goal difference and 3 more points. They have to lose 4 more points than us for us to overtake them. The trip to Anfield could well be decisive, a game we really do have to win.
longtimespur
11/02/2014 11:06:00
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The last weekend showed me what a poor team we look at times. Oyur midfiled was terrible for most of the game. We lacked steel (I do hope he plays Sandro when fit), we lacked movement, cohesion, understanding and the passing was abysmal. We have far too may similar players in midfield. Paulahino is obviously a gifted plaey but too slow for the prem, Djemebel at least does try to move the ball forward but hangs on it too l;ong too often. bentlab, average at best, will be a good player in a few years perhaps. Lennon and walker are all about speed but feck all else cannot deliver a final ball. Ericksen needs to be no 10 not stuck out on the left. We are a dishelleevd bunch and relyon Lloris too much to save us.
johna
11/02/2014 11:07:00
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TS is just another scapegoat IMO. Ok he seems very stubborn and set in his way (remind you of anyone) but the fact is the players are grossly underperforming. TS said after the Everton game that he was disappointed with how we started and didn’t understand why the message he laid out didn’t translate to the pitch. If he wanted them to press high up the pitch why didn’t they?? If you watch the game there is at least 4-5 times where you can hear TS screaming “Moussa…and then gesturing for him to push up the pitch……but he didn’t move. The only thing we can question is why he didn’t use at least one sub at half time, but I think managers are very reluctant to do so at 0-0. All this bring in LVG or whoever just needs to stop now. He got it until the end of the season at least so just give the man a bloody break and support him. He hasn’t done bad since he took over considering the players he’s had out, and the ones who have chosen not to bother

That is the real issue, our players just don’t seem to care about the badge. If we are going to take anything out on anyone then its surely the players. I am yet to see a single display all season where 90% of the players have given everything and look knackered afterwards. Too many people seem to be looking at potential barca moves etc instead of knuckling down. It ok to say LVG would get the best out of the players but the players need to make the effort to get the best out of the club. Time for hard action. Time for the board and the manger to show these millionaires that THFC will not be used as a stepping stone and if the sign a contract they go when we want them, to go. Until then, they must give 100% every week or play in front of 20 fans in a reserve game.
hudderspur
11/02/2014 11:08:00
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TS will start next season in charge, he'll get sacked around Dec/Jan time with us 'under performing' in 5th place, and then Gus Poyet will be in
King26
11/02/2014 11:45:00
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Ok so we are over achieving away from home, why cant we at home? problem solved? This is a very good and logical article. My feeling erf LVG i think is explained well here, I dont see how he can actually be the best choice for us, unless he has a driving amition to over achieve with a club one final time in what many regard as the toughest league in the world, that is a very unique set of personal drivers needing to be in place for someone in his position. Tough call. Hudd not sure you can say Sherwood is set in his way, what do you refer to as is way? 442?
tophobunty1882
11/02/2014 11:55:00
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As a manager I rather like Tim Sherwood.
Shannon
11/02/2014 11:58:00
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Well, he's not doing too badly for a clueless fool.....
MAN ON!
11/02/2014 12:00:00
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MAN ON ........ just say it as it is.....
longtimespur
11/02/2014 12:10:00
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Totuae, good post and a good last sentence, I don't know who we would attract with TS in charge. Manager Kudos is massive when it comes to attracting top players. re long term manager with a plan.. Thats what I was wishing for with AVB. he had the judos and sold his plan to many of our new signings which in turn attracted them and brought them in. I'll never know at what stage of the plan we were at.with AVB. shame. was the holding part near completion, and the attacking part coming up, was this really a settling season and next year we would be unleashed as a more polished machine? still, thats all history, but I can see it repeating itself again and again unfortunately. I just hope we can keep a hold of our international boys this summer, otherwise, like a house of cards caught in a draught, we will be picking up the pieces and starting again from square 1!
Dublin Hotspur
11/02/2014 12:11:00
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Totuae, in addition, I would love to know who's name is selling best on our shirts. I'm waiting to put Lamela's on mine, think he will be huge for us. its probably still Bale TBH! I reckon Tops has Soldado on hers
Dublin Hotspur
11/02/2014 12:15:00
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As discussed many times, AVB inherited a great team at Porto so he did not overachieve imo. In fact his performances at both Chelski and Spurs demonstrated his inability to get the best out of players. That will be the only way that our club can eclipse those richer than us. To a fair degree Harry did just that but failed to invest at the crucial times to sustain it. TS shows signs of repeating that mistake in being over-loyal to a few players. Energising the whole squad is the key and that requires experience and the respect that flows from it.
Love totty
11/02/2014 12:15:00
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Football became serious business a long time ago and there´s no return point. Though it saddens me as much as other folks here, we must accept that and move on. Off the pitch, the answer is soooooooooo simple that anyone can see: Without a bigger stadium Spurs won´t be able to generate financial resources enough to build and keep a squad capable of delivering CL football and throphies season-in-season-out. Apart from football clubs that derive their strenght from oil-millionaires, CL habituees all have 50K+ seater stadia. Chelsea comes to mind as SB is not a big venue but they have infinite resources...As long as WHL is our ground, we will be overachieving finishing 4th or higher. The other side of this business is called Marketing. Unfortunately, CL is the best football-based marketing tool ever developed and we are still struggling to understand the basics. Just compare Arsenal´s new contract with Nike and ours with UA. It gives the precise measure of our size. I know it hurts to say, but our bitter rivals are the best and nearest template we should be looking at. On the pitch we are a very, very unbalanced side with no effective left winger. Rose might try to get something there but he is not good enough for this job. At the right, though Lennon improved as a player because he supports Walker on defensive duties, neither his crossing skills nor his decision making skills are "state of the art". Even so, our attacking right side seems to be better than our nearly non-existent left one. The way I see, Tottenham Hotspur as a true football power is a 5 to 7 year project, assuming we starting building WHL Mark II this year.
AlexSpur
11/02/2014 12:17:00
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Maybe we should all hope and pray that TS works out for us. If he proves to be the young, up-and-coming, future great, currently cheap, Manager jod mentions in the article .... the next ten years would be sorted! I'd be happy with that.
Geofspurs
11/02/2014 12:18:00
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I have been saying it for months, we are 6th in the financial league, the owners are unable/unwilling to find the extra cash for us to realistically compete, wages the main issue, yet we expect/demand top four. I think most here know how I feel on the AVB issue, I think that given time he would have had us punching above our weight, he needed backing, he didn't get it and he walked. We now need to start again, given our financial constraints we are not going to attract top names, we need to find the next Martinez and if we do will he get the time and resources? I hope so, would I put a £1 on it? No.
ItalianYiddo
11/02/2014 12:21:00
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We do not need to finish top 4 annually. That is completely unrealistic because that requires at least 2 teams to "fall off" drastically. Potentially ManU could be one, but we would need another - and for how long would Man U falter? They have the finances & clout to push themselves back into contention sooner or later. There is a top 3 plus 1 other. I cannot see that 3 falling off unless Wenger departs (so efficiently remaining there). For us we just need progression, which is not just league finishes. Be it results, points, prestige, trophies, financial wealth, stadium capacity, spending power, quality of squad, CL qualification & runs, beating so called top teams... These all combine to improve our standing, our power, and can allow us to close the gap. I feel that we are doing this...in spite of manager changes. If you look at the stats (Brendan Rodgers being like the 3rd longest serving EPL manager - i.e. on his 3rd season), then what we are doing is not unusual. It does take luck to find your Ferguson or Wenger, but it also takes astute thinking... AVB was a poor choice for me from the start. Anyhow, it is TS now... I feel it a bit strange for all this talk about change of manager, when the current one is "overseeing" a good run of results. I doubt that it will continue, but the last 9 games has been title-chasing form, and it includes some tricky games. As I said before, until the wheels come off, I will reserve judgement. Besides, it is much better than what preceded it (both points-wise and performance wise), whilst not exactly being champagne footie most of the time.
TonyRich
11/02/2014 12:21:00
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The gist of this article seem to be that Van Gaal did well because he had the resources of money & talent at his disposal.You may well be right ,so that leaves us with plan B.Get a young up & coming manager with talent & give him 5 years to build a team from the grass roots upwards-like Fergy ,Wenger & now Brendan Rodgers.This must be the way forward as we are not mega rich.My choice would be Pochettinno,although rumours are circulating that Real will get him in the summer!
Greavesaboveall
11/02/2014 12:42:00
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Why, in that case is Sherwood not the man? After all he got a result against Pochettinno's team. I know it's not as simple as that but after 2 months in his first PL job he is doing quite well all things considered.
MAN ON!
11/02/2014 12:49:00
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ItalianYiddo - 100m is not backing...? Imagine what Martinez could have done with a third of that at Everton? The 100m was largely mismanaged by AVB & Baldini. We did get some good players, but the squad is not rounded. They ARE seeking extra cash via the new stadium. They have improved the quality of squad over the years. Your belief in AVB is merely a hunch, and there always was a chance that it could have worked....but could it wait that long? How many slaughterings, low goal tallies and dull matches would we have to endure to see that finally work? AVB's appointment wasn't based on any track record - 1 full season of management experience at Portugal's best club.... At Least Van Gaal has a track record to have faith that he is worth backing further. People do seem to forget that we ARE punching above our financial weight as we are 6th in the financial league, yet regularly finish 4th/5th. Wealth isn't everything, the manager chosen is very important too.
TonyRich
11/02/2014 12:51:00
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Any update on the new stadium. coopsie where are you with the latest gossip
tottscotspur
11/02/2014 12:57:00
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The article kinda contradicts itself, because you could argue that AVB did well in his sole season at Porto due to them being the best team in Portugal...with an abundance of riches in Falcao, Hulk, Moutinho etc... So Levy picked a manager who needs the best players in the league in order to succeed. What you need is someone who has proven to take more than one team (who are not world beaters) to the next level.
TonyRich
11/02/2014 12:57:00
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I don't think Sherwood is being head-hunted by Real Madrid.They have been studying his amazing re-organisation of the entire Southampton club from the youth team upwards,not a detail is left to chance.Check it out, Man On; Tim is not on the same level.
Greavesaboveall
11/02/2014 13:00:00
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jod...good article. One question though....If a manager like LVG was expected to win leagues in Spain with Barca, and Holland with Ajax, because of the clubs resources and the talent that was already there. What's the deal with Moyes at Man United?. Look at the resources, the quality of players he has at his disposal. I get the point you make, and to an extent agree with it, but i also feel that regardless of resources and status of players, a manager's input should still not be dismissed. At any level, some work, some don't. Moyes being the prime example. LVG, could take us to the next level, he could make us a laughing stock. He does however know how to get the best out of players, regardless of funds, and only this has allowed him to win titles in countries that some feel he deserves to win.
Cider spurs
11/02/2014 13:12:00
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Italian you think AVB resigned?
tophobunty1882
11/02/2014 13:13:00
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Greavesaboveall, Cheers, I was just asking. Not making a statement....... :-)
MAN ON!
11/02/2014 13:14:00
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Dublin, the Kudos you refer to AVB having, what is it and which players very specifically signed for THFC because of this Kudos?
tophobunty1882
11/02/2014 13:18:00
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Maybe we should look at De Boer then? He has an Ajax side that play on the philosophy that the team is greater than the sum of its parts. And our performances at the moment (and most of this season) say to me we need something like that. We cannot compete with the top sides financially but we still do have some financial muscle. We have a very good squad that with some minor tweaking and in the right hands, can get regular champions league football and beyond.
rahn DMC
11/02/2014 13:18:00
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i dont want van gaal,rather have de boer
ghulamville
11/02/2014 13:20:00
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Not getting at you Man On!I'm just cheesed off that we will miss out on the next Mourinho.Brendan Rodgers was my choice 2 years ago & look what he's doing at Liverpool.Levy keeps making the wrong choice,& though I like Tim's philosophy of attacking football, it's a bit naive when you are up against the best teams.Look how West Ham & Norwich nullified the Man City attack by using good tactics with much less quality than we've got.
Greavesaboveall
11/02/2014 13:24:00
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topho, it was "mutual agreement". Let me manage without interference or we call a day, Levy decided to call it a day.
ItalianYiddo
11/02/2014 13:28:00
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Tonyrich, he also won the EUFA which some say it is as hard to win as the CL due to the sheer amount of games and the CL teams dropping into it. Look at the quality of teams we need to face if we get past Dnipro.
ItalianYiddo
11/02/2014 13:31:00
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Greavesaboveall, I know you wasn't getting at me I just wanted to clarify what I mean't.
MAN ON!
11/02/2014 13:31:00
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I don't want De Boer....Rather have De Cider!.
Cider spurs
11/02/2014 13:34:00
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Italian, you think that's what happend do you? Where did you get that info from?....Rahn I would have thought taking the logic from the article De Boer would be the better route forward if we are going Dutch. The current one is doing well at the moment though based on results. Or we could go for Kudos.
tophobunty1882
11/02/2014 13:43:00
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Cider spurs - not really sure what your point is. Its obviously a lot easier to get a manager who under performs than one that over performs. Although to be fair to Moyes how many quality players does he actually have ? beyond Rooney, Van Nistelroy and now Mata he hasn't really got much. United have resources, the fourth highest revenue in Europe but they also have the Glaziers who actually take funds out of the club.
jod
11/02/2014 13:44:00
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If he is available i would prefer Frank De Boer and his assistant Denis Bergkamp, as our next management team rather than LVG For one reason, their comparative age. LVG is 62-3, whereas De Boer is in his 40s so has more chance of building a dynasty, as he has done at Ajax. I also agree with those saying that manager kudos is important in trying to attract top caliber players.
Frank
11/02/2014 13:44:00
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Good article jod although as TonyRich points out, the AVB bit does seem contradictory, unless you see AVB's half a season at Academica as significant.
Guyver
11/02/2014 13:45:00
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Would Bergkamp come to Spurs? I doubt it.Sounds like a good Dutch pair and I would welcome that.I still feel Pochettinno the wisest choice as he has proved he can cut it in the Premiership with a small club.Imagine what he could do with our resources and fabulous fans!
Greavesaboveall
11/02/2014 13:51:00
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I'm not sure but I think I read somewhere once that Berkamp was a Spurs fan as a kid. So, you never know.
MAN ON!
11/02/2014 13:54:00
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My point being jod. Man Utd are exactly the same type of club you mention in your article. A club with vast resources, once the richest club in the World, so why can't Moyes just walk in and win the league the same as LVG at Barca or Ajax?. Could it not be argued that on this basis, the manager and his methods must not be ignored also?, if it was just about winning at clubs where it is expected, i put UTD in that bracket, so why isn't it working there with Moyes?.
Cider spurs
11/02/2014 13:55:00
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Referring to LVG. Managers can have the best squad but as we know that does not guarantee success. He is quite a talented manager and if he become available we should snap him up. COYS!
James1
11/02/2014 13:56:00
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Spurs have always had a strong following in Holland because of our traditional reputation as a good and entertaining footballing club. The ways of Ajax have always had a similar tradition.
MAN ON!
11/02/2014 13:58:00
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what year did AVB win the thursday spoon Italian?
tophobunty1882
11/02/2014 14:00:00
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ManOn thats very true about Holland.
tophobunty1882
11/02/2014 14:01:00
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One more point i feel worthy of a mention. Some managers crumple under the pressure of managing a big club, a big club who expects to win the league on a regular basis, carries a whole new different level of pressure. LVG has proved he can handle the pressure.
Cider spurs
11/02/2014 14:01:00
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Van Gaal, also won the Dutch league with AZ, (surely an overchievement), along with a 3rd place finish and a cup final appearance.......If he were to achieve a similar level of success at Spurs over the next 3 years he'd be a club legend!! I agree with the comment regards Levy's initial instincts on AVB, but until we (fans and management) give a manager time (3-4 years) to fully implement his ideas then we will continue to come close with no cigar. We have tried all kinds of different managers over the last 14 years and the only consistency we've had is when things get tough the fans call for change and management makes the change. This has proven not to work, why not try something different!
Paul - THFC Forever
11/02/2014 14:02:00
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Cider indeed he has, i think the discussion issue here might be around do we want someone at an early stage in his career or a late stage? I guess there can be pluses and minuses for both. I am not sure he is a fit for us, taking into account the logic of the article, which I wouldn't question. Assuming it will be a man of course.
tophobunty1882
11/02/2014 14:03:00
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MAN ON! I read that Bergkamp rumor as well, but found out he was a fan of Hoddle but not Spurs.
Guyver
11/02/2014 14:03:00
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Guyver, Cheers.
MAN ON!
11/02/2014 14:05:00
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Paul on that basis it must be Maclaren then?
tophobunty1882
11/02/2014 14:08:00
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Greaves, I think that's a good call on the Southampton guy.
tophobunty1882
11/02/2014 14:10:00
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Cider spurs - You're ignoring the Glazier factor. If United's resources had been pumped into the team they would have a much better squad and Moyes might have been able to do what you suggest. As it is money has been diverted to pay the Glazier's debts, they've been trying to keep United competitive while spending as little as possible. As a result the squad has been gradually hollowed out and now requires major investment, probably a completely new defence as a start. Having cash only works if its actually spent on the team.
jod
11/02/2014 14:19:00
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Toppers, hi. In fine fettle I see! Good stuff. I'm on the phone so not gonna type the names of our 7 signings last summer, many of whom had other big clubs after them, in particular eriksen and lamela, as well as paulinho. All stated they wanted to work under AVB. That's by the by, the kudos point relates to the successes a manager has achieved in his career generating a desire for top players wanting to play for him. I can't be bothered finding any proof for you. But feel free to look for yourself, as I'm sure you will. ;-)
Dublin Hotspur
11/02/2014 14:20:00
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Paul - THFC Forever - Had he won the Dutch league with AZ when Ajax were at their best then sure that would have been an over achievement. But the fact that he won the league while having zero impact in Europe tells you just how far Dutch domestic football had fallen away, it just wasn't a strong league any more.
jod
11/02/2014 14:23:00
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Thanks Topo.I believe Pochettinno is on Levy's radar along with De Boer.Both would be sound appointments as they believe in attacking football allied with good tactics and a great coaching system.Let's hope one of them gets the job in the summer.I'd love to be able to sit back and watch a well organised system of coaching at Spurs instead of the incomprehensible chop and change policy of the Levy years.
Greavesaboveall
11/02/2014 14:26:00
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Jod, so Steve Maclaren then? (smiley thing)
tophobunty1882
11/02/2014 14:30:00
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Dublin, we had a transfer "committee" of 3 people did we not? Where did all 7 state publicly they came here because they wanted to play for AVB and not THFC or the prem or england or the money or a combination of the above? The most recent success he had as a manager in the most similar of jobs was to get sacked for failing to manage a collection of top players well at Chelsea. So you have no proof to back up your very big claim? what make the claim?
tophobunty1882
11/02/2014 14:30:00
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that would indeed be good Greaves.
tophobunty1882
11/02/2014 14:32:00
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jod...I do agree to a point. I'm still of the view Utd are considered to be vastly under achieving this season. Rooney £250 000 per week, suggests that they still do have a bit of cash about. I'm not even suggesting that LVG is my first choice, i am actually of the view De Boer and Bergkamp would be a better fit, another whom i think implemented some good ideas and was able to bring youth through the ranks, take no bull and had his team improving season on season whilst playing some beautiful football is Rijkaard. Might seem a bit out there, and might not seem to dis-similar to Sherwood, but he did take a mediocre Barca side and turn them into champions whilst rebuilding the team and introducing talent.
Cider spurs
11/02/2014 14:33:00
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I've said before that my ideal would be for LVG to come in the summer, hopefully get us moving in the right direction and after a couple of years, De Boer coming in to take us forward long term. If only it were so simple.
MAN ON!
11/02/2014 14:40:00
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Cider ref United, something like this has been coming for about 3 years, Fergie got out at the right time, they got away with it big time last year largely due to Chelsea and City's problems and Arsenal only playing half the season, plus us shooting ourselves in the foot. They have had at the very least a gaping hole in midfield which Fergie did nothing about, his hands may have been tied. it's been coming. Injury to Van Persie against last season's return plus the change of manager and its a bit worse than it might have been. I picked them for 5th before the start of the season in our little pub pick the league competition and that is about where they look like finishing unless Rooney and Van Persie go all Gareth Bale on us. Mata wont make much difference if they continue to try to break world records for the number of crosses in a game, as good as he is.
tophobunty1882
11/02/2014 14:41:00
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jod, for a manager to get a team to where they supposedly ought to be is all you can ever expect. Surely they have to be recognised for their achievement. So many managers consistently fail to do this. It's regular success that makes a good manager great and a lack of it that sees a mediocre one so often fail.
MAN ON!
11/02/2014 14:49:00
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