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Tim`s vision taking shape?

As we have witnessed an altering of team shape in the last two games, are we now beginning to see the first signs of Tim Sherwood`s vision for Spurs?

Key players returning to fitness, as perhaps allowed him to play a team more akin to his own ideas, plus with so little time to get his points across over the Christmas schedule, was it also a case of making do with what he had at his disposal and looking at playing a system to fit the system as opposed to having a system and looking to fit players into that?

I also wonder if we have seen a wake up for Etienne Capoue, who seems to be back in favour and has added to the teams stability as a defensive midfielder, in a three, that has allowed the likes pot Paulinho and Bentaleb to express themselves more. Was it a case of a player angling for a move or frustrated at injury and lack of opportunity, forcing Sherwood not to pick him, and only the players new found resolve allowing the manager to select him?

If that is the case, as with the instant reintegration of Emmanuel Adebayor, are we seeing a manager wise beyond his experience and one that is doing great things behind the scenes, as well as getting results on the pitch?

Now I am perhaps playing to my own agenda, in bigging up Tim, as I was vocal in wanting him to get the job after AVB was sacked, though equally that was as much about not really seeing anyone better as opposed to my thinking that Sherwood was going to be the next Sir Bill, but is he now making people change their mind about his supposed tactical naivety and inability to work with top players?

It is interesting how many of our established players are talking up Sherwood`s management, but is it now becoming evident that he is looking to shape the team more towards his own ideas, than simply being a 4-4-2 man that many accused him of. I think it is still evident that he doesn`t quite have the balance and we are lacking depth in others, however is it now about getting there players to work towards his system and that is something they are accepting and also enjoying?

Sure we are out of both domestic cups, but does seven wins and only one defeat (to City) in his Ten Prem games indicate he has the quality and ability to learn quickly to become a very good and long term Tottenham manager? All too often people take a managers/coaches comments as gospel, when the reality might well be something totally different. Perhaps in many fans and media`s desire to see a bigger name on the managers door, there is a wanting to make too much or twisting the words coming from their mouths, when the reality may well be totally different.

Perhaps we will get a better idea of our development and Sherwood`s thinking when we face the teams above us next month and he also has to juggle things to cope with the Thursday/Sunday of the Europa and Premier league. That will be a major test and perhaps be his defining month. Do well and suddenly he is in the box seat, fail miserably and the calls for a Dutchman or another exotic and bigger reputationed name will be back in the headlines. I for one and watching and enjoying seeing my team play better and doing quite well. I am also enjoying see a man who seems to want the job for the right reasons, perhaps start to change peoples minds about him...




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Thursday February 13 2014

Time: 10:15AM

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20:20 hopefully
Big Ron
oh yes
SpursWho
Now sitting in Melbourne and then in Dubai but soon Dublin then Belfast yipee
Big Ron
i just have to say that i was wrong about Bentaleb, happily lol
SpursWho
like daws, but our no4 is just much better. please stay fit Y
SpursWho
He seems to have both breadth and depth of vision. Both necessary qualities for a good coach. I know lots of people with qualifications to burn but no idea about people and life in general, but others with no quals but boy are they experts at life. Maybe Tim can't do exams but has all the life skills and management skills needed
Big Ron
Picking the right players when avail able makes a big difference and tim got it perfect. Coys.
bazdog
Big ron, agree man getting into them and turning that crowd was simple thought that worked better than avb tactics and exams could never have dreamt off.keep her lit tim.
bazdog
some of his dealing with players seems to be top notch. he has performed miracles with Ade and has now perhaps got Capoue, a player of obvious quality on side as well. bentaleb will have games where he struggles, but that is all part of the package with a young player.
oxfordspur
Penal ties in the 90th minute help a lot,hope the gods ain't red this next four mouths and turn white. Coys
bazdog
Tim is doing a great job. A massive plus has been that he can see what the side is lacking. Dropping Dawson last night was a positive move and Tim is starting to use the squad effectively, which will be key in the coming weeks. I worry if Ade gets injured but hopefully we can keep him fit for the run in.
jordtheyid
Morning all. Well what a refreshing change that was!! Everything I said I was disappointed with after the Everton game was put right last night. Bloody Fantastic. TS got his team selection bang on! Got the tactics bang on! Ok, we did look a bit suicidal with the high line but the back 4 executed it very well. In fact it annoyed me on football first when the commentator kept saying we were exposed etc but both strikers were off side in every attack so the wide man couldn’t play the ball in and just got closed down

Hugo, what a keeper, made a few very good saves. Kaboul…WELCOME BACK. Absolute beast of a performance. If only he were fit every game our worries would be over. Bentaleb….what a performance. In fact one of the best performances from a CM ive seen all season. He was everywhere, up down left right he ran the show. Can’t believe how strong he is on the ball yet so bloody skilful. If he carries on he will be one of the best CMF in the country. ADE, another top performance. In the right place at the right time every time. That’s not luck, that because he knows where the phucking ball will be

really buzzing today after that. That formation won’t work every week but against teams like Norwich, Cardiff, etc who aren’t too much of a threat up front it’s a no brainer now. Capoue just held everything together and highlights the need for a holding midfielder. Most importantly, the players need to show that drive in every game! Just shame that the dippers stole another win. TBH I think we need to turn our attentions to Arsenal now as I think Liverpool will just keep going. We just need to stay focused and pray other teams keep dropping points. End of the day…. at the start of the season who wouldn’t have taken SEVEN points off top after 26 games???? It’s ridiculous how hard it is to get into that top 4 these days. If City / Chelsea had the same £££ restrictions as us they would be a nothing team. We are doing bloody well considering. Sherwood really surprised me last night and hats off to him. Perfect night really.
hudderspur
I'm afraid Tim and his team of coaches are yet still to convince me… the whole sorry episode of this year has to be the blame of those behind the scene - managers directors owners NOT the players. They have shone through this - many expected a prolonged dive in form - hasn't materialised yet. Line of results if not performance of the 'Spurs way'. They are a brilliant squad of professionals (except for a few) and that in my opinion is the main reason of the continuation of our form and long may it continue. It is not uncommon for us fans to ask for a DM to be deployed… for Dawson to be rested … for EA to recalled… It is the players - albeit a few (rather too many) when we have been blasted. Also I am a bit wary of how many players will be attracted to come to Spurs under TS in the long run. I expected CL for this season way back in May - I haven't changed my mind. It was great to see last night - just great. Thanks you Spurs. COYMS!!!
Highgatespur
For the last while as a simple being who gets a little more than hunches hudd im with you as i can see arse doing a spurs this year.it would def be great to get that one right.but wenger the coach worries me a lot also in that regard and also no self confidence on my own part. As i said hope the gods turn are have turned half white from red.coys. Shirt colours.
bazdog
agree with all the posts above. I for one admitting questioning the persistance with bentaleb when we have top international players on the bench...but if last nights performance is an indication of his future, then he too will be a top international very soon! I do feel lennon is going off the boil and would like to see Chadli get a few games now. Not as pacey but he is strong and skillful.
jhbspur
oh and cheers Ox for another top read! I too am secretly hoping TS becomes the Spurs legend and retires with 20 trophies in 20 years :)
jhbspur
You could have a Uni degree or you could just be street-wise. Either could bring success depending on what you're doing, and how you do it!
Geofspurs
Lets hope we can banish our home form hoodoo!
Slurms McKenzie
Highgatespur – So what are you saying exactly??? That its all about how the players perform?? Well somebody give this guy a medal please. Of course it’s how well the players play but how is that a negative against Sherwood?? When we were snaked against city it was because we got the team selection wrong, the formation wrong, the players didn’t bother to turn up AND it was against Man bloody city! It was a multitude of things all at once. If you are saying you don’t know if TS is going to be the right Manager for the next 6-7 years then yeah, I don’t know either…..NOBODY DOES!! Just like we don’t know if LVG, or Biesel, or Pepe Guardiola would be the “right guy”. End of the day TS is doing very well. If he loses the next 5 games then he won’t be. That’s how football is im afraid. Top 4 is a bloody long shot, but we are still well in the mix. Im just not sure how you can complain at how TS is doing. I respect your opinion but I choose to disagree with you Sir.
hudderspur
The biggest thing he got right last night. Dropping Dawson, let's hope he keeps Daws away from the starting 11, and Kaboul stays fit. A centre back pairing of Jan and Kabs, with Hugo behind them and Sandro/Capoue in front of them means we won't get steamrollered by the likes of Citeh, Liverpool and the rest.
Rohan Dookiesingh
Well done again Sherwood, great stuff. We may have our difficulties at home, but do not mess with us away from home.There was a time when we were wasting our time leaving the London Borough of Haringey but Redknapp did his bit and AVB and Sherwood have carried this on.
cynicspur
On another thread I suggested, somewhat jokingly, that TS should be man of the match. On reflection, why not?! He picked the team and, I'm sure, nobody on VS would have picked the same combination. It was a brave move that could, so easily, have seen him vilified. It was a move that won us the game. Maybe the manager/coach should be added to future MOTM polls?!
Geofspurs
The Fulham v Liverpool game illustrates why we cannot rely on other teams below the top seven to help us. Fulham were ahead twice and still could not get across the line.
cynicspur
Did anyone else not love the commentary on football first.......spurs break from defending a corner and the right back passes it to the centre back to cross into the opposition box! Absolutely hilarious and class! That's the desire to get forward I have been looking for! Counter with pace and numbers. With speed and precision whilst the opposition are un organised! Thank you lads, thank you Tim, a performance like that will get the supporters behind you AVB not lateral boring football
spurticus87
Judge him at the end of March once we've played arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea....then we can see if his visions working or if Ade is covering the cracks just like bale did for Andre. I personally don't think he will be in charge at the end of the season but I do hope he retains his old position as he was doing antantastic job.
01tottenham
I think the jury is waiting to review his performance when the season ends .... which is the only fair thing to do, imo.
Geofspurs
well last night went a long way to winning me over, I was sceptical that bentaleb was again chosen over more experienced options, however he deserved his spot with that performance. the fact that we finally used a defensive mid to protect the back 4, the fact that kaboul was chosen ahead of dawson and that dembele was finally used high up the pitch were all very good signs. liverpool look unstoppable at the moment, but we are still in it without actually playing well or once having all our best players available (sandro remains for me a must play when fit). if tim gets fourth he certainly deserves to stay
Guernman
People are too quick to bad mouth Spurs, Levy, Timmahh and then jump on the bandwagon when everything is tikkidiboo Please try not to be so fickle in future people. Get behind Timaaahhh and enjoy his bold team selection. Who would have seen Dembele taking Eriksens position??? The boys are stepping up but MARCH is key obvs
willfry
Well I see the debate is underway, again, I have stated before I like TS but is he a longterm solution as yet I am still insure, 4 goals last night was great, but we did look at times as though we were playing a non league team !! and we got many many things right, we also got a lot wrong, Bentaleb excellent, please can someone tell why the love affair with Kaboul, is it down to him or is it down to the dislike of Dawson, what I saw from Kaboul was ok, apart from his positioning which is still not great/good/average, but he is prone to being in the wrong place all too often. Lennon was basically an oxygen thief, and not worthy of his place, Naughton much better second half. So has TS got it right no not quite, is it improving ? hell yes will he be here next season ? probably not as Levy will want some big name, can TS attract new talent in the summer ? we shall see. But for now everyone should avoid singing his name as that is usually the sign that the end is nigh ! But 1000% behind TS until the end of the season at least
totuae
Tot, it is down to him being far superior to Dawson in every aspect, even his weakness (positioninal defending) is much better than Dawson. He is stronger, taller, quicker, more agile, better at one on ones, and he can drive the ball out from the back. Added to this he doesn't continually hoof the ball 70 yards down the field to the opposition looking for the wonder ball
spurticus87
We can't argue about the results Sherwood is getting. We did complain about the formation he was playing but he is changing that and it is showing signs of working. We did complain about the players he was picking but he is changing that and it is showing signs of working. We did complain about our style of play and attacking threat but he is changing that and it is showing signs of working. Whilst the signs of improvement are there I don't see we have a lot to complain about. Like others have said, let's hope he keeps getting it right. The longer the better. If it goes wrong by the end of the season then we all know the outcome. As it stands Sherwood is either very lucky or he might just turn out to be quite a good football manager. It looks like we're the experiment where we'll find out the answer to that question. COYS!
SpuriousLife
Not really sure why Tim was a villain after Everton then is a hero after Newcastle. Its a no brainer that Everton were going to be a lot tougher to beat. Fans need to cut out these violent mood swings. Tim is doing his job and winning football matches. Some will be easier to win than others. Sometimes it won't be pretty, that's not what matters.
jod
You wont find me disagreeing with you Spurt my issue is everyone stating he had a beast of a game, and whilst my eyes may be old I thought he did ok nothing more nothing less, but that's my point are people saying it was such a good performance purely because they don't like Dawson not because it actually was, I am happy to welcome him back the more CB's available the better at this time of the season and I hope he stays fit until the end of the season and working with Verts can only do him good.
totuae
Jod wash your mouth out IT should be pretty (ok winning ugly is ok now and again
totuae
Going better than 99% of people on here thought no doubt, so what's not to like. we need to keep improving and aim to claw back Arsenal for 4th. Big challenge is how does Tim and the teams/squad handle the upcoming spoon.
tophobunty1882
I think its a combination of both, I think he had a good game (not great) and as much as we all love Dawson the man, the footballer isn't top 6 standard. Take your point though. Jod, the team selection, rhythm, tempo, desire etc. were all far superior than against Everton and that has nothing to do with opposition
spurticus87
Well done Tim, hats off and i'll eat them, for now! The kid played a blinder, i think having etienne near him really helped him. great Pairing yesterday, but think Sandro and Capoue for the big teams. Yes we beat a struggling Toon, but we did it well and they gave us a few scares, but Lloris dealt with them brilliantly. he seems to hold his line much better when he is confident of who's in front of him! Kaboul, what a presence! him, Sandro and capoue would terrify any team. Ade, goes without saying, Chadli showed in the short while he was on why we bought him. sublime. Townsend had his chance to silence any doubters but failed. poor execution for 5-0 opportunity. and we had players queuing up for that one. great performance all round. loved the fluidity, seems the system was flexible, yet most did there job holding their areas well. Out of the blocks fast, positive football. now a few more points off norwich and we'll see how Timmy sets up for the bigger teams. every game is vital. I see Arsenal as our big chance to steal a place! only 3 off 4th, 4 off 3rd and 6 off the goons. our match with them will be a real 6 pointer!!! COYS
Dublin Hotspur
And don't forget the EL. Its really really important we go all the way! because I still have the pass from the wife to make that trip to Turin! and for the silverware of course!
Dublin Hotspur
Long term solution!! What league are you guys watching? The average tenure for Prem managers is about two years - and most of them are seasoned pros with managerial track records. The best we and Tim can hope for is a good spell that moves us forward and gives him experience to take to the next job. Let's hope that's in years not months. So far so good is all anyone can say.
Love totty
spurticus87 - Completely disagree, the opposition always affect what you do. Rythm and tempo are what the opposition allow, how hard they close you down, there is no way you could dominate an Everton team the way you could Newcastle.
jod
Ox, I'm not sure what you mean about a wake up for Capoue. The guy looked awesome in the first couple of games, got a bad injury, was out for months, comes back and AVB plays him at CB because of injuries and not a peep. We were within a couple of million of selling him to Napoli, what a cock up that would have been.
ItalianYiddo
Dublin your Chadli/Townsend piece is naive, easily beyond pre-school.
tophobunty1882
so have we all established yet that we didn't get thrashed by City the other week because TS played Bentelab? and no understand it was because they were better than us and because TS played Siggy over Capoue and equally now understand that Capoue and Bentelab can be selected in the same team. Its not very difficult really.
tophobunty1882
Dawson until yesterday had played 90 mins of all our PL matches this season. To say he isn't top 6 standard is an insult and technically wrong. Since Dawson arrived at THFC we have finished in the top 5, in 6 out of 8 seasons.
MAN ON!
We've seen what the players are capable of ... so if they don't continue to perform ... is that their fault or the fault of TS?!
Geofspurs
I am not getting carried away re Tim for me he has proved nothing yet. I think the test will come when we meet the top teams in March, he hasn't done well against City, we were lucky against a poor Utd side and we lost to Arsenal in the cup. March we play Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea if he can get minimum of three points that will be progress this season, if he gets more that would be good, say, 5 points any more than that then he has proved himself.

I think the difference last night for the first half was down to two things, starting strong, and playing Capoue as a DM, yet Tim has been resistance to play a DM, why? Not only did it make a difference having protection in front of the defenders it also let Bentaleb have more freedom and he played very well for his age and experience.

I think Kaboul had a good game and I hate to say it but he looked better than Dawson, but Kaboul has to prove it over a few games. Can he carry it on in the next games? Tim has his own ideas and I think he is starting to show he has more ideas than he was showing in the beginning, may be he is growing with the role, listening and learning, however, will he be good enough when we meet the top teams, when the pressure is on, say last game of the season, I don't know. However, I think the lads confidence is improving and their belief, and some performances, so credit where credit is due.
WorldPeace
topho, we didn't get thrashed by City because Bentaleb played but it did not help. Capoue should have started ahead of him, hopefully Tim is learning that each game is different, against City he should have not played, he looked more useful last night in a more advanced role with Capoue holding.
ItalianYiddo
tophobunty1882, Don't forget that we also played with 10 men for almost the entire 2nd half against City.
MAN ON!
Nothing wrong with Dawson, he is a very much needed player. yes he has his weaknesses but he has strengths, even kaboul has weaknesses most players do, it is a matter of playing to players strengths and getting the balance right to compensate. Take Vertonghen, he is not strong in the air yet people don't give him a hard time, yet they give dawson a hard time for being slower. This is because it is exposed more, and people forget or don't want to see what he does do, how he has saved us so many times with other things he does.
WorldPeace
Wonderful to see Kaboul in for Dawson. Being a top football coach involves editing out the weak links, as well as picking the the best players. Once this happens things can only improve... I'm still very worried about Ade staying fit and strong enough for the rest of the season without Defoe around to give him some much needed rest time and help with the goals... Still can't believe he was sold, nor could the Spurs fans last night who still sing his name...
Pele10
Man on, were you at the game? City destroyed us 11 against 11, they actually eased off when we went down to 10.
ItalianYiddo
Tops, darling, I thought that might get your heckles up. good job i didn't add I thought Soldado's movement was excellent! Just opinions from what I saw of the match! I felt Chadli played great and his goal was sublime. Townsend IMO didn't do much, maybe a fitness issue, but he did miss a sure fire chance! no need to get personal or derogatory. and i though we were getting along swimmingly ;-?
Dublin Hotspur
So 2nd-3rd place back on is it now ? Until another poor performance and it will be back to "We ain't got a chance to finish in the Top 5".. Lol..
Birdz
This was a good performance against a depleted Newcastle team who had not won in 8 games. Let us not get carried away. At 2-0 up, we stopped playing and they were knocking on the door until we scored again. Big bonus to see Kaboul back. He just looks so much more composed than Daws. Also there are times when we look like we cannot pass the ball more than 4/5 times with then giving it away. Why?? 'Pool got lucky with a last minute winner but it has made for a closer top 5. At this stage, it is changing game by game, as long as we don't fall any further behind, we still have a chance for 4th. We have to take points off Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. Will be tough, but it will determine if we deserve 4th.
vicspur
Yes I was ItalianYiddo. They hadn't destroyed us 11 v 11. They were outplaying us but it was only 1-0 when Rose was sent off. Surely that made a difference.
MAN ON!
It's often said that, 'we can beat anyone on our day'. When we played City .... it WAS their day! We would have lost no matter who played, imo. I have no problem with that because that's the reality of football.
Geofspurs
where is that sheit stirrer galway gooner.i said a 2 weeks back le scum will be battling for a top 4 position rather than challenging epl crown.
ghulamville
PELE: Come on man....enough now. We sold our 31yr old reserve striker who wanted to leave to a non PL club for £8m!! How can you even go there. I suppose its "his" fault that our £27m record signing isn't playing very well isn't it?? Sherwood was offered £££ to buy players in January....he declined it. If ADE gets an injury et then the blame lies with TS, I am struggling to understand how you cant see that or simply just choose to ignore it. I was FURIOUS after the window closed and we hadn't brought in a replacement but as I've just said, the money was offered.
hudderspur
Italian - great 20:20 hindsight re Capoue. Maybe if you'd seen him him in training back then your opinion would be valid. Who knows; we might have got spanked with him in the team too and written him off as useless. Seems to be the norm on here.
Love totty
Birdz... Not in my eyezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
MAN ON!
BTW what's with all the "don't get carried away" talk on here. Who's getting carried away?? All I read (from the majority) are people saying how pleased they are with a very good performance. What wrong with that. Jeeez its games like that what makes us love football, and games like City / Liverpool that make us want to hate it! Just enjoy the day FFS!
hudderspur
Birdz ... Yes, that's it! You do get the picture. Hopes and fears change weekly ... along with the table!
Geofspurs
hudderspur..Well said.
MAN ON!
I still wonder if TS is benefiting from the experience of the big boys being back in the fray and the strength of squad he has at his disposal. would he be doing as well at Cardiff? however, for now he has my attention, and I will support him through this challenging time and as long as we keep playing like we did last night he will certainly keep me happy. the games we have lost and drawn, of which he has to be held accountable to a point, are still fresh in my memory, and the games v chelsea, arsenal and pool will tell us much more. Keep it going though Timmy, still need to be beating the teams like Newcastle even if they were depleted. Good man yerself
Dublin Hotspur
G'day MAN ON!
Geofspurs
G'day Geofspurs...
MAN ON!
Everything worked out well last night, apart from giving Grimsby or was it Nott's County, certainly was not Juventus, the chance or chances to make a game of it, they declined the offer, so with storms battering most of the country, the storm that is THFC battered the Bar Codes in the North East. For once in a long time we put a side to the sword, the goals we scored came about from excellent build up play, was I alone in watching Ade score his second on the night, our third and joining in with his trademark salute or I am just a sad bas7ard (Don't answer that, I know the answer) though my smile, was as big as the floods this country is suffering from. Then came the icing on the cake, Nacer Chadli, what a stunning goal to make it 4 on the night, it was a beauty. Tim (be alright on the night) Sherwood used the squad well, but thinking back to Hull away, he did not. Certain players returning from injury and being careful with them, as we still have a long way to go until the season ends, is important as much as resting players is, with the Europa kicking in next away at Dnipro, Norwich away, Dnipro home and Cardiff at home, having most of the players back to pick from and getting into the next round of the Europa, 6pts from the two prem games, he has a better chance with a full squad at his disposal.
spu 4 life
So pleased it wasn't called off last night. The weather inside the stadium did not seem to affect the football.
MAN ON!
topho ... I though Naughton had a good game. I appreciate your advice, some time ago, to give him a chance.
Geofspurs
Man on they were destroying us, it could have been 5 or 6 after 10 minutes. Really don't think the sending off made much difference.
ItalianYiddo
Galway Gooner is busy on V Arse. they are slating Giroud and he states he's not expecting the scum to get much from the Chelsea, City and spurs games. Hope he's right! we could be well and truly breathing down their throats or even looking back down at them if that is the case! 6 pointer v AFC at the Lane… bring it on!! COYS
Dublin Hotspur
ghulamville; must be stock taking at the local sewage farm and found a bucket of shi7 is missing
spu 4 life
For perspective that was the 4th home defeat on the spin for the Barcodes. I agree that it needs to be seen if we can beat the top teams. The frustrating thing for me is Townsend and now bentaleb and Ade are the three breath of fresh air in the team. Its frustrating we did not support them with 2-3 top top players last summer than the number of players we bought. I wasn't saying that at the time but i'm not a top manager either
troffer2
ItalianYiddo, I know. But then we don't know, if you know what I mean? ;-) Anyway, it's in the past.
MAN ON!
Geof, I thought Naughton had a good game too. I prefer him on the right, and actually think he is a better defender than Walker. wouldn't mind seeing Walker further up the pitch with the other Kyle behind him, but unfortunately we have no decent player at LB. (Rose again would be better further up the pitch. He might struggle for that opportunity now with Chadli's performance yesterday).
Dublin Hotspur
Does anyone know if there were any injury worries from the game?
Geofspurs
Love totty, he did make a difference and actually went to score our only goal, so I'm not sure what you are on about hindsight, he was fit enough to fill in at CB and did well enough.
ItalianYiddo
Italian Bentelab was not the problem v City 442 was, the change was not to drop Bentelab for Capoue it was not to play Siggy and play Capoue instead.
tophobunty1882
What the hell was Kaboul doing on the right wing? He looked fighting fit and even after quite a hard knock he carried on in the same vein.
MAN ON!
Does anyone know if there were any injury worries from the game?
Geofspurs
Dublin-I do wonder whether Walker is a frustrated winger, because the more he plays the more he wants to go forward. May be it is time to develop his game, but hen again his crossing is not good for a winger, so if he did play further up he has some work to do. I think him and Rose are not that good at defending and neither of them are that good at crossing.
WorldPeace
Man on, you are right, we can only speculate. Liked the way we played first half last night, hope to see a bit more of that at the Lane.
ItalianYiddo
Geofspurs... I'm hoping Dembele is okay but I've not seen any reports.
MAN ON!
Oops ... Sorry, have no idea why the double post ... must have been important!
Geofspurs
Good post huddderspur!!!! I dont understand why ppl tell others how they should feel, lets enjoy the good days as we know there will be some bad days soon.
Ossie
Dublin, i am not your darling don't make it personal, stick to the content.................Italian there was some public stuff from Capoue ref not wanting to play CB was there not? after he had a bad one there? Italian what was the score when the man got sent off against City? i remember you saying on here that when Pauli got send off at 3-0 against liverpool it made a big difference. Explain the difference in your thinking please?....................Geof, not a fan of Naughton and left back, will always struggle against top teams there, could very well be a VERY good right back and possibly better all round than Walker.
tophobunty1882
topho, I would not have played Siggy or Bentaleb against City, wouldn't have played Eriksen not his sort of game yet. I would have gone Chadli, Dembele, Capoue, Lennon in the middle, Holtby in front of the back four and Ade up front.
ItalianYiddo
Be interesting to see what Tim does next game, personally I think Capoue and Bentaleb and Dembele did enough to warrant another start, I guess even Paulinho although he doesn't seem match sharp or fit. With Chadli scoring and Townsend back from injury Tim has some selection problems, as we also have Eriksen who didn't play last night.
WorldPeace
World Peace, Thats a very good point re the crossing abilities, but I wonder is it that they are trying to get the ball away too early to try and get back to their defensive duties. They both obviously have ability, and some coaching would surely help with those weaker aspects of their games. Remember Gareth Bale? that frustrated winger playing at LB. He was written off as a bad omen and nearly let go, until Harry let his chains off. Maybe we have a similar situation with a couple of young treasures being played wrong. Long term.
Dublin Hotspur
Naughton is no LB although he was steady yesterday and does have some steady games there, but overall he is no LB and will always struggle against better teams in that position. I think he should be playing Europa at RB and start to give Walker something to think about. He doesn't have the pace of Walker but he defends better at times, I guess it depends on who we play as to whether naughton gets in over Walker imo.
WorldPeace
Does anyone know of any links for a replay of the match, so I can indulge myself for a couple hours?
MAN ON!
Geofspurs; Yes, I banged my knee when we went two nil up, but soon recovered to celebrate the third and fourth goals.
spu 4 life
MAN ON - if it is being re shown on any sport channels try this link http://www.vipboxuk.co/sports/uk-tv.html#selected
WorldPeace
Tops, I highlighted my opinion again after you likened my opinion to that of a pre schooler! come on its valentines day tomorrow. be mine! LOL
Dublin Hotspur
WorldPeace... Thank you.
MAN ON!
hudderspur tells us, "I was FURIOUS after the window closed and we hadn't brought in a replacement" So your furious that Defoe was not replaced with a new striker, but your happy Defoe was sold for 8 million??? Classic ENIC style warped logic... And please don't try and pass the blame onto Sherwood if Ade gets injured and we fall short of the top 4. Levy sold Defoe, and tried to sell both Chadli (who turned down Swansea) and could not get the money he wanted for Capoue from Napoli otherwise both would have been gone. Yes there would have been no Chadli wonder goal last night, had Levy had his money grabbing way! AIA
Pele10
topho ... The thing is I'd written him off as hopeless but, although he looked okay at Rb yesterday, I agree with you and Dublin that his better position is at LB. He could have a healthy future with us in that position, especially if Walker keeps seeing himself, primarily, as a winger!
Geofspurs
topho, against Liverpool we had a makeshift defence we than lost Naughton and Sandro at half time and then we had Pauli sent off. Against City we had players fit in all their natural positions.
ItalianYiddo
No Geof 100% Naughton is a better right back than left back. Did he play right back yesterday................ Dublin I am referring to the content when i post to you, you constantly refer to the person, read our comms the penny will drop,
tophobunty1882
Italian, you are blinded by your love for AVB we have been through this so many times. It's clouding your judgement and some might say your support for the club, in fact some have said it. Let's move on again, I admire your passion for what you believe........
tophobunty1882
Topho ... Haha My bad, can't tell my left from my right! But, you're right!
Geofspurs
Italian, do yourself a very big favour and watch the first 20-25 mins against liverpool before all the things happened which you seem to be claiming as the reason for the defeat to make it appear a much lesser defeat than the one against city post AVB...you are twisting everything since AVB left to suit your position, forgetting to post all the good stuff you use to post about Spurs...its all gone. Get back in that taxi De Niro.
tophobunty1882
Just a bit of banter tops. Chill.
Dublin Hotspur
Hey guys- been reading VitalSpurs for years.. Excellent result, however, was slightly annoyed at the attitude once 2-0 up, could and should have really taken the game to them like all the top teams do and who knows what the scoreline could have been? it seems a lot of the time like a lack of professionalism, oh we've won now so we don't have to try? i just think with the abundance of technically quality players we have if we could match that with simple hardwork and determination i think your looking at a side that could win the title,
Oliver'sArmy
topho, I was there for both games, so I don't have to see them again. Are you saying that Liverpool could have been 5 up in the first 10 minutes, even against a makeshift defence? You are the one making excuses for Tim setting up so naively against City mate.
ItalianYiddo
Here you go again topho, you are bringing up AVB again. He is history now.
ItalianYiddo
I knew what you meant geof!
Dublin Hotspur
Tim introduces a CDM... Hoo Raa!!! We won yes but Newcastle are their worst run in their history pretty much. It's about time the team actually put in a shift tbh. The tactics were not spot on either, we simply flooded MF and gambled on Dembele on the right. Lennon was magnificent but kept cutting inside. Lets hope Tim learnt his lesson. Bentelab looked great again when played further forward but he def needs a DCM next to him.
Mix26
lol one more thing, how AWESOME was it to not see Dawson playing! The diff between him and Kaboul is like watching a tank do a u turn!
Mix26
Well done TS and the players. Only saw MOTD highlights and if it weren't for Llloris it could have been tighter. Yes Krul made some good saves as well but 2 of them ended up in their net. Surprised to see Lennon have 2 shots on goal and one hit the post. That was in 10/15 minutes. More than he usually has in a month ..lol. Great result keep winning and who knows where we'll end up.
longtimespur
did we notice that jan was the captain, what does this imply???
SpursWho
PELE: You have a habit of cutting certain parts of peoples posts to suit your argument but fail to acknowledge the actual point of the post. Where you editorially stopped what I said I continued to say…”But as I’ve just said, THE MONEY WAS OFFERED”…. I would bet my last pound that you are some sort of aspiring Journo who’s dream is to write a column for the daily mail! Give it up man, even they loosely base their bull5hi7 on some sort of second hand propaganda. You Sir have nothing!!
hudderspur
Kaboul is great and like many on here he would be my first choice. However, Dawson had played every PL match up until yesterday. We were still in 5th place before the match. Give the man some credit please. He was bloody good in the Everton match in which we kept one of many clean sheets with Dawson there. Kaboul had played 1 game in the PL this season, before last night and we lost 6-0!
MAN ON!
All credit to TS, he made a very different and bold team selection, and managed both to stifle Newcastle in MF, and then to attack in numbers, and on so many occasions to over-run their rearguard, and create goalscoring opportunities. He did this by managing to get Capoue, Benteleb, Paulinho, and Dembele, all on the pitch at the same time and playing like a unit, and by bolstering the back 4 by the inclusion of Kaboul (if only he could stay fit) for Dawson. He is at last starting to show that he is not a one trick pony, but is indeed somewhat tactically astute. Our selection totally blew the 2 striker selection of Pardew out of the water, they were always struggling for numbers in MF. What TS provided us with, was what we have waited for, for what seems forever, to actually give somebody a good hammering, and but for them spawny prats from Anfield getting out of jail late on, would be right up their chuff this morning. First win at St James's Park for a decade, again well done TS, I and many others have, and I suppose still do, doubt your suitability to become the "full time" manager of our great club, but a few selection, and tactical organisational performances like last night, will certainly do you no harm in gradually reassuring us doubters.
Frank
we will be fine if ade doesn't do something like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vcJibyBRAM
123spurs
Great result, if only TS could solve the problem of us starting too slowly, we will be in with a great chance of getting another 8 wins!! COYS
WestStandEnclosure
Spurs who – That Daws was on the bench lol seriously I think Jan should be captain regardless if he’s playing next to Dawson, Kaboul or Chiriches. Was so good to see Dembele and Paulinho in and around the box last night

Mix – You can only beat what’s put in front of you, and that we did with style. Lloris had to make a few saves early on yes but we NEVER looked like not winning that game. Im just enjoying today, as we all know we could quite easily slip up against Norwich.
hudderspur
Careful Frank - you're mellowing :)
Love totty
Yeah Frank, what´s going on ??? Just kidding.
AlexSpur
We seem to be treating the appointments of AVB and TS with the same divide of opinion as to their suitability. In fact I see them as entirely different circumstances. My initial reaction to AVB's appointment was that it was an unnecessary risk given the timing and availability of other canditates. But I was certainly happy to give him a chance to prove himself and only finally lost faith after the apalling performances this season. Tim on the other hand seemed to be a good risk as best available so judgement is again reserved until he's had a decent crack at it.
Love totty
It's not a crime to call a spade a spade. Dawson is our worst player and he should have been sold, if any other def was fit Dawson would not be playing.
Mix26
So,we're 5th despite Dawson playing all season. Wow we are a lucky team!
MAN ON!
Apologies for no post match article. Got called into work last night, typical after we go and score 4. Haven't even seen as much as a highlight of the game, did we play well?, 4-0 suggests we did. Was it all our own doing, or were Newcastle pants?. Who stood out?.
Cider spurs
yay 5th! loads of ambition... If we keep dawson then maybe we will stay there forever...
Mix26
I do hope TS succeeds and stays as he has already stated that if he doesn't get the job next season he won't want to go back to his old job, sounds like now he's had a taste of management at a high level he has ambitions. I for one do not blame him.
chrishove123
Birdz up until it is impossible for us to get top four, I still say we have the squad and the manager to do it, look at the teams above us, they are all dropping points very unexpectedly here and there so. ……..
chrishove123
So without him we'd be top!? Are we a 1 man team?
MAN ON!
If Dawson had also not been fit, where do you think we'd be?
MAN ON!
Wow ... the guy bleeds for the club, and has done for years, and he still gets dumped on. Dawson has my total respect and is worth his place in the squad ... but, I admit, not a starting place. imo, of course!
Geofspurs
Cider spurs, it was a bit of both, but has been said above you can only beat what is there against you on the pitch, and we did that comprehensibly as the score suggests. Lloris made two or three excellent saves, but after all that's what he gets paid for, and away from home you expect some pressure, and to concede a few chances. Having said that, we could have had more goals, and were more than worthy winners. A nice comfortable easy on the nerves game, may we please enjoy a few more.
Frank
A pointless discussion.. Some people seem to despise some players and can't see the Sherwood forest for all the trees. Good match last night, wasn't it?
MAN ON!
So Spuddies you lot all on an Ade-fuelled high I suppose! Getting interesting at the top but we're hanging in there....just!
Galway Gooner
Italian i make not excuses for Sherwood or anyone else you are on your 453rd for AVB. Sherwood set up in a way against City most likely to lose, it was the opinion of many on here inc me, before during and after the game. Please explain how therefore I am making excuses for Sherwood? ps it's often useful to take a second look, come on you're a company director, you know that.
tophobunty1882
We would be in the mix at the top without Dawson, Capoue played better at CB in 2 matches than Dawson has the whole season. He is a one dimensional player that cannot better his game and gets caught on the ball time and time again.
Mix26
Mix does Silva need a defensive midfielder next to him? I think most smaller and or creative CMs do, Eriksen sure does. Bentelab has done at least ok in all games where he was not outnumbered by a better team due to managers tactics. No world beater yet. 4-0 will do, much improvement possible...ps agree ref Dawson
tophobunty1882
yup topho u could see the confidence in the lad as he did not have to keep looking over his shoulder or finding his position on the pitch. He relished going forward as was our best outlet for 15 min. I also believe the French Connection on the pitch was great too! FCTH lol! Capoue did a hell of a lot of dirty work for us and Benteleb picked up the pieces well.
Mix26
Damn Frank I can only agree with both your posts!!
Ossie
Yes agree Mix and it simply must be the way to go in most prem games. Struggled to see why Sherwood didnt do it from day one, I suspect it was because he only had a choice of one and there were some initial fitness and other issues around the one, which was Capoue. I guess Capoue was the one that came out of the blue in the 7 we bought, he has looked good from the time he stepped on the pitch, like most he struggled when played out of position. Will be good to get Sandro back and have a choice. There is something unique about Sandro which makes him hard not to play but I think Capoue might be the more rounded. Will he break things up as well or make more tackles than Sandro? No I doubt it, great choice. Agree Dawson is our 4th best CB and the obvious one to replace subject to Kabouls' fitness.
tophobunty1882
Mix26, I respect your opinion man but, it's our lack of goals that sees us where we are this season and, that's in spite of the heavy defeats. Dawson is not a centre forward. (We are still in the mix anyway).
MAN ON!
Tim's Vision taking shape? Too soon to tell really. I can't get to grips with what his style is yet, it's either a masterpiece he is creating and I/WE are too dumb to see it or he is simpy a headless chicken getting lucky...jury is out until the end of the season for me.

I will support any manager and Tim is the same full backing! I care about THFC and as long as the points keep adding up....there aint an issue!
ledgespur
I have to say one thing though, he knew his set up last night because he was shouting at Bentelab before the goal to have a get up with runs...so game plan worked.
ledgespur
Fair point MAN ON can't argue there. The reason for my joy was noticing the ball go back to Kaboul and a newcastle player trying to close him down. Kaboul had the awareness to step inside around the player an drive up the line. Happened on a few occasions in fact. My point being I feel we hold the possession better with someone who has the skills to at least move the ball or create a little.
Mix26
Mix26, I was also pleased to see Kaboul last night but I find it difficult to knock Dawson. We all, of course have players we prefer over others and the odd one that we dislike.
MAN ON!
Ledge I hope he doesnt have a style. I hope he simply sets us up to win games against whoever we play next.
tophobunty1882
I was also very pleased to see Andros up and running. He was looking sharp, as were the rest of the returning players.
MAN ON!
Lol MAN ON u will note that Dawson is the only player I hate on, other than Ade with his attitude sometimes. Was it just me or did Townsend look very light weight?
Mix26
He was looking trim.... If that's what you mean. Obviously not match fit yet.
MAN ON!
ledgespur.... I wasn't happy with his appointment but then I've been thinking TS is a one trick pony then last night we play like stallions chasing mares on heat. Still don't know if he's a tactician or just lucky but if he keeps us playing well enough to win games I'm not that unhappy to see him in place. I will support whomever is at our club, in whatever capacity (Pele) they serve THFC. We have always been an up and down club as far as results go, so I have to admit the lad done good so far. Barring 50/51 and 60/61! COYBS.
longtimespur
lol yes trim soz that's the JHB South in me!
Mix26
As far as Dawson is concerned, he gives everything for the club in and out of the shirt and I cannot understand people slagging him off. No we know he isn't of top quality as far as ability goes but when he's on the pitch he always fights heart and soul for the team! He will never be any better than he has been, quality wise, but he will never be any worse than he has been for the club, heart and soul wise. Long may he continue to be part of our set-up at the Lane.
longtimespur
Bit late on this one as I've been chewing on a humble pie all morning.Put the axe away Tim gave us the best performance we've seen all season,so entertaining,sweeping passing movements,a clean sheet and lots of lovely goals.Obviously Tim was waiting for his best players to return and most significantly produced a midfield to die for.Only question is where will he put the powerhouse Sandro when he's fit?
Greavesaboveall
longtime does that mean nobody has the right to criticise him? U choose slag off? What about Dawson have I said that is not true?
Mix26
Regarding L/pool last night. What an absolute d/head that Reither is. 90th minute, ball going nowhere only toward the touchline and he jumps in with a tackle like he did. Fulham could have got themselves a well earned point if not for that and done us a favour!!
longtimespur
Poor Dawson he's having a hard time on here. He is a good and loyal player dispite all the abuse. Maybe he's not world class but he's spurs through and through.
Rapm
Dembele Sandro Capoue Bentelab Paulinho Erikson.... Competition is going to be tough topho?
Mix26
longtimespur, Holtby certainly looks like he can do Fulham a big favour. A good loan move for him, I think.
MAN ON!
mix26... at what point did I name you in that post? If you think the cap fits then wear it by all means. If you read my post I actually agreed with you regarding him never getting better, but different wording. I do agree he isn't a top 4 cb but we haven't done too badly considering he's played all season and we're only 7 points of the top place. I just think if ALL
longtimespur
....of our players played with the same heart and soul he does we would be top of the league.
longtimespur
Don't know why it posted unfinished article sorry.
longtimespur
lol the PL awards at the end of the season... Mr Popularity and all round nice guy award goes to... Michael Dawson...
Mix26
yes he certainly appears to be off the pitch but he's not on it. Just think for all his effort he should be appreciated a little more. We'd have been in the ****e without him all this season. That's all. End of.
longtimespur
perhaps we could offer him the Chirpy gig then? thanks Daws u done err well? I'm not interested in his personality or his popularity, the fact is he is crap. I don't buy into the player loyalty to a club, the guy is rubbish and we could have found a replacement from the conference div in a week who would have done better for us.
Mix26
Longtime spur, I respect the man, not the footballer. If we didn't gave him then we would have someone else, so no we wouldn't be in trouble
spurticus87
I'm still trying to figure out what heart and soul u on about? I've felt more love for KFC than Dawson. Does anyone on VS have a Dawson shirt? Ox a poll please...
Mix26
Sorry ill phrase that diff, has anyone bought a Spurs jersey and put Dawson on the back?
Mix26
anyways cheers lads im off
Mix26
Yes Daws has made a few mistakes, BUT what you lot slagging him off are forgetting is that he has made so many telling blocks and tackles that have resulted in stopping an almost certain goal. He does so much that people who dislike him refuse to see. He lays himself on the line for this club and sometimes he makes hideous mistakes, but he is now coming to the end of his career with us as a first team player and I really hope he stays with us when he does finish so he can install that sort of mentality into our new and our younger players as they come through.
chrishove123
nice article ox and good team selection tim.............think he reall is getting it together and will do even better with all players fit...coys
rovinella62spurs
I like our captain and he is certainly better than Chiriches!!
SilwalYid
DAWS STAY ON THE BENCH... KABOOM WAS IMMENSE...
Yidmarks
Cahill, Terry, Mertesacker, Agger,
MAN ON!
Kompany, Vertonghen..... Etc. Not once have I seen any of these players make stupid, goal-loosing or match-loosing mistakes.
MAN ON!
Not sure how I managed to split that post in to two...... Thank you Mr. Dawson for all your hard work.
MAN ON!
Shame you're rubbish.....
MAN ON!
kaboul 2nd choice, glad to see him back. dawson 4th choice

would be a mistake to sell capoue imo. he can be so useful


bentaleb, increased his value from zero to millions in less than 2 months, nice job


chadli, not world class, but if he can provide more goals coming from the bench and teach townsend how to score a quality goal without blasting it, he might prove he is worth the 7mil. Too bad he wouldn't be happy to be just a squad player.

logos8
I'm not sure that anyone on here can honestly name any player in any era that doesn't/ hasn't made mistakes. I've already admitted that he isn't top notch but I love the man's lionheart and commitment to the club. Yes we do need a higher quality player but I really do wish all player's of THFC had the same attitude. He hasn't Modric, Bale or Berbatov's ability but he plays for the club he has adopted as his home and didn't want to leave, albeit to go to QPR.
longtimespur
Logos as far as Chadli is concerned it will need to be much more than the efforst of 3 seconds last night. Exceptional the finish was and if it serves to boost his confidence and make ihim turn in a number of very good performances that would be great. To me he just looks too sluggish, one paced for the prem from what I have seen. If he turns out to be worth that money and more GREAT.
tophobunty1882
Kaboom was awesome.. Not only better than daws, he was covering for walker as well (he can play RB remember)..Jan looked a lot happier, Hugo as well.. WTF was he doing heading the ball away on the edge of the box.. lol.. Now i hope TS has seen the light, of DMF, and 433 shape. Really enjoyed seeing the ball going in the opposition net, and not ours !!!! COYS
Block D Spurs
longtime....I can see what you're saying mate. You have commented on Dawson's limits, and also stated he is a valuable member of the squad. Both points i agrre with. not World class player, but he is a top professional, something that many have problems in managing to portray at various stages of their career.

Frank...thank you very much for your take on the match. Just seen the highlights, still had the high line i see, and WOW!, that lloris is some keeper isn't he?, still had his daytrip out his area again though. Chadli's goal a peach, i knew he had it in his locker and often hits the target. Loved Paulinho's flick to Ade prior to him snaffling the rebound to score. Very happy, just peeved i could not watch and write a good positive article. Kind of looks like i'm only interested in writing them when it is to criticise. if i'm not careful i'll end up with a grumpy old git tag (if i have'nt already).
Cider spurs
The difference between Kaboul and Dawson was all to clear to see yesterday. I feel we rushed Kaboul back against city and his performance certainly showed, TS has already stated he will only allow players back from injury when they are ready and yesterday Kaboul looked fitter and sharper, a major plus for us.

As for Dawson imo he is a great option to have at CB, yes we all know his talent is limited, but apart from the very top teams what other clubs possess a 4th choice CB with Dawsons qualities?, It's only because we have had to use our 4th choice CB that he is getting stick, if Verts and Kaboul been fit most of the season we would all be saying what a good back up option dawson is.
spurfect one
very true spurfect
tophobunty1882
topho Chadli is not world class and probably will never be, but he isn't worse than siggy or holtby. He might never make it in the prem as a top4 quality player, but it's still early days. He is an automatic starter in the same team with Dembele and Verts for Belgium. Surely he can't be that crap.
logos8
Mix26 Seen quite a few around WHL with "20 Dawson " on the back...
Highgatespur
Cheers tops, i have a question regarding Chadli, where the hell is his best position? Is it in a 4 3 3 playing as a left forward, or behind the striker where he has been deployed for Belgium? I also heard Belgium played him as a striker once, which shows versatility but also could hamper his ability to make a position his own, especially with a competitive squad like ours.
spurfect one
I really don't see why such dislike for Dawson - not the perfect one with speed nor cross field passing (LOL) but there's no one who can beat him with his will to fight and pride for the shirt - a GREAT club captain - always have him around on the pitch or on the bench. He should always be in our squad.
Highgatespur
Sorry you missed the game - sooner than expected but quite a few clicks last night…. however shame about Lennon especially after his shots (he can shoot!!) and Nabil marvelling in his natural slot BUR early days yet… not bad though… only 7 days to go and I thought everyone was going to be content …. hmmmm think again… MOtM btw for me was Lloris - kept a clean sheet and saved at the critical times (don't forget what we do after conceding goals) and great fellow supporters sitting on high out singing the unhappy Geordies… They really don't like Londoners there. Up the Spurs!!!! COYMS!!!!!
Highgatespur
* Directed to Cider Spurs...
Highgatespur
With Defoe moving on and it's not time for summer transfers, but I hope Baldini and Co are looking closely at Antoine Griezmann of Real Sociedad.
spu 4 life
logos8 there's a lot of logic in what you say, but my eyes are telling me so far has has been crap, your logic does suggest he shouldnt be, it might just be logos that the prem is just such a different animal than anything out there inc international football, would be really good if he repeated stuff like last night often. ....spurfect and i heard the dutch football "expert" who does sound a decent enought chap on hawksbye and jacob soon after we signed him saying very clearly in his time in holland his best position by far was left side......you are right though, it's not obvious and thus far he has not been too good wherever he has played except for one shot.
tophobunty1882
logos and spurfect, the best thing to happen always in this situation is for the player to prove doubting fans like me in this case wrong in their feeling about the player by doing it on the pitch, easily the best solution all round
tophobunty1882
classic........ http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26162408
tophobunty1882
WOW..... Where to even begin?

Look Newcastle were depleted, however our strength put them 4-0 down & it should've been a few more, but lets not be greedy... Having Kaboul & Vertonghen in front of Lloris is a definite confidence boost to a Gk (sorry Daws), then a CDM in front of them how can that be a bad thing?

The spine of our Team was solid as, from that strength we had a licence to attack. Both Dembele & Bentaleb had their best games of the season, now was that due to the opposition, well ever so slightly, but the MAIN reason they BOTH played so well & dominantly was, they played in their NATURAL positions. Ok Dembele isn't a RW, but he IS an attacking midfielder. Both Bentaleb & him can defend, but that doesn't mean thats their strongest & most practical position.

Sherwood has been installing a mentality through the U21's, that is FLUIDITY! People debate until their blue, we played this formation no no we played this. The simple fact is Tim has the Team playing as a Team, each player has their fundamental role, HOWEVER, when a player is either pulled out or in our Teams situation more often then not, they move into an attacking space, the players around him COVER the position left behind.

But as I mentioned, each player has their fundamental role. Some require a greater discipline then others. Primarily CB's & CDM(s) (obviously the GK!), we have 4 of the best not just in the League, but in football right now, our only trouble is keeping them fit. Super Jan, Kaboom, The Beast & The Capinator (ok clutching at straws with Capoue!), now like most I see Capoue the guy to miss out most, that being said he's probably the least injury prone sooo.... With a mix of those 3/4 & Lloris in goal we have the core of a Champion side, now add the creativity & skill of the rest of our available Team, Tim has the perfect balance of defence & attack. We have many players who are fighting for regular football, Tim has proven that he can & will make key decisions. Does he always get it right, well if you look at the results & its hard to argue against him. Put it 1 way who would Utd prefer Moyes, AVB or Sherwood? Exactly, what we have is a hungry, confident & to date, successful Coach/Manager. Personally I wouldn't of selected Bentaleb for City, the lads done well but that was foolish. However I feel Tim has learnt that against tougher opposition we require 1 or even 2 holding CDM's to help stifle & protect.

Tim Sherwood is someone I've wanted to be our future Coach, I was equally nervous & excited by his appointment. I think he's done well, been a lil bit lucky, but then you tell me a Top Team who doesn't have sprinkles of luck? What I can tell you is under Sherwood we've looked the strongest & most entertaining that I've seen us in a long time.

So the question of the article was "Tims vision taking shape" & the long winded answer comes down to a massive YES!

But its NOT the finished article & we will drop pts by the end of the season, but hopefully not many. COYS
True Spurs Supporter
The players seem happier playing under TS management.. Ade, Jan, have both indicated this in their media quotes. Sandro will be back for the top 4 teams.. as we will need him and Capoue rotate.. or young Bentaleb rested for one or two games, and on sub bench. TS is showing what he can do, now needs to improve, and keep the team wining and pressure Arsenal . Liverpool..
Block D Spurs
A good write up TSS…. I enjoyed it… two interesting articles this morning … Junade Ramos' reflection - WOW if he only said this before !!! How true it's turned out… The other one likening Nabil's performance with that of Xavi ! Hmmmm is that accurate or is it like comparing Huddlestone to Hoddle's passing ?!
Highgatespur
What I've noticed about Bentaleb is that he plays with his head up all the time, looking for the pass. He seems very aware of what's around him and his pass usually finds a team mate. He also has a lot of good movement, finding space to receive and recycle the ball. He looks strong for a young lad and a bright prospect for the future.
MAN ON!
Was impressed much more in an attacking role than in the defensive one….to tell the truth reminded me of Livermore and Samways BEFORE Wednesday !!!
Highgatespur
I fro one am NOT worried about our lack of movement in the window. What's the betting TS already has one of the younger players ready and waiting in the wings if anything happens to Ade. He's been proven right so far with Bentaleb, so no problem for me.
chrishove123
highgate dont think there's much between the passing of Hodd and Hudd, credit to Hudd he is exceptional in that facet.
tophobunty1882
Tophobunty1882 NO way !!!! Hoddle's passing skills was about 200 leagues different to Hudd's! Hudd is exceptional but Hoddle's WOW!!!
Highgatespur
Agree Highgatespur. Hoddle was just in a different league. Hudders is a beautiful passer but I've not seen him produce the short passes, flicks, volled paases, like Hoddle could. Hoddle could thread balls similar to how a golfer could manipulate the ball. Back spin, side spin, flat, top spin, cutters you name it he could do it with precision. I think Tony Galvin once said Hoddle was the only player who could spin the ball back to himself because his technique was that good. Hoddle's vision was on another level too. COYS!
James1
Highgate not sure what world lives 200 leagues better than exceptional. hoddle was much the better player but their passing range was very similar, not better in any era to pass the ball much better than Hudd, just trying to stay real. Never easy in this place
tophobunty1882
Don't forget Glendas goals. He hit them from every angle and they were nearly always special. Tom may well spend the next two seasons without going anywhere near a barbershop.
MAN ON!
Man on Hoddle was by far and away the better player, I am not saying that. standard. Fortunate enough to see him play around 200 times.
tophobunty1882
Man on I think I might have witnessed his best 3 or three of the very very best goals he scored for us...awesome
tophobunty1882
I think Tom has been underrated. A very clever and cool headed footballer but, he should score more.
MAN ON!
How many Spurs players can we say that about? Just a handful more goals this season at crucial times and we'd be up top.
MAN ON!
yes he should Man On, i think he would have been very effective in the Hoddle era
tophobunty1882
I was privileged to see Glenda make his debut - I started attending in March 1973… It was almost unbelievable how he played and passed the ball like James1 eloquently described… simply unbelievable Tommy H will never ever get to that level. One special sort was the cross field pass to the toes of Tony Galvin unfailingly…. simply brilliant to watch …. my favourite goal of his vs Watford in the Cup was just behind the goal… just ace. Oh to have another GH!
Highgatespur
yes Highgate, he was awesome, there was some real tributes paid to him by a top french player in the french media when he was at Monaco that were special to read. I remember that goal too, he chipped the keeper in effect from just outside the box, great goal.
tophobunty1882
And hoddle did that without the lightweight balls and curl aiding boots!
Dublin Hotspur
Highgatespur I was privileged to see him play and I will never forget his last game he played at WHL against Oxford Utd. I was literally climbing the fence like a deranged monkey when he scored that fabulous goal. Seriously, his football career is like Roy of the rovers stuff. Amazing. COYS!
James1
I wonder how much Glen would be worth to Real Madrid if he were playing now as a 24 year old?
MAN ON!
Highgatespur you can still see some of the classic games of Spurs of the 70's and 80's. I've been watching them in ITV4 "The Big match revisited" with the late great Brian Moore commentating. Brilliant to watch and reminisce the great players back in the day. COYS!
James1
In the days of the Big Match as well as MOTD, I'm sure I remember Hoddle was voted for the goal of the season on one show and in first and second place on the other.
MAN ON!
James1, me too they're brilliant - although the coverage is much better these days I miss those days - the Big Match Theme brilliant! I was there too vs Oxford - the run and the lofted arm with the the one finger - majestic!!!! Brilliant memory Man On…. Was willing him SO much to do well as a manager…he'd be worth £200m at least !!! COYMS!!!
Highgatespur
Must admit I did not see much of Hoddle as football coverage in Australia was virtually non-existent at that times. I lost touch with football for a few years because I was in a very remote area. I used to get 'The British Football Weekly' paper to stay in touch; frustrating, but that's all there was. However, I've since watched him feature in lots of classic matches so I have an idea of how good he was. That's why I love Foxtel ... which allows me to watch every PL match if I want to, not that I do!
Geofspurs
I hear that up to 1% of the L'Arse tickets are on offer on the StubHub from £150 - £1000…. how shameful - disgrace!!!
Highgatespur
The only modern player that is in a similar mould to Hoddle is Pirlo in his prime, but Hoddle had a lot more in his locker. Hoddle would be the most sought after player if he was around today. He would command 60 million at starting price! That Watford goal was one of my favourites but I always enjoy the volley against Shilton in goal. The way he moved it was so graceful, like a ballerina. COYS!
James1
Really? That is shocking :( COYS!
James1
Geof, why not offer very expensive B&B to vitalspurs members?
tophobunty1882
Geof I can't believe you missed out on such a talent. I guess watching Gazza before he hit the self destruction button must have eased the pain (probably not!). That is one player that hurts me the most. Gazza could have been one of the greatest players ever. Such a shame. COYS!
James1
Highgate why don't to join the campaign against stubhub? i did a few weeks back, no room for it in the game IMO... http://www.change.org/stopstubhub
tophobunty1882
topho ... Because I don't think they'd want to watch Bolton playing Blackburn! :-)
Geofspurs
James ... The only game I was assured of watching for several years was the FA Cup Final. The worst thing was, not so much missing Hoddle, but missing seeing Spurs completely! That was sad. Since leaving the UK my favourite 2 players would have to be Berbatov and of course he-who-must-not-be-named!
Geofspurs
topho I am not saying Chadli couldn't turn out to be crap for the prem, I am saying we should give him a little bit more time to adapt before we judge. His cv suggests he has what it takes to adapt and become a decent prem player, not top4 quality, but certainly better than Siggy.
logos8
Topho I have - I must admit to feeling angry that spurs STH would actually give up their tickets for a profit - disgrace!
Highgatespur
logos ... Must say I'd like to see a bit more of Chadli, even if it's just coming off the bench. We'll never know how good he is unless he gets some time in PL games. Same for Lamela, if he can manage to get fit and then stay fit! We need the EL games now so that the ones who have not had PL time can build up their match fitness .... and don't feel completely left out and unloved!
Geofspurs
James1 bringing some great memories here - the goal vs Shilton is one of my fave as well as versus manu that one two with Ossie ah bliss, vs Watford because I actually saw him look at Sherwood the keeper before he did the whole thing …. - those were the days….. Gazza, true what you say but always thought he was the rough cut - great memories there as well (vs Portsmouth in the cup in the rain WOW!!!) … Geof I had to move to malta for a while in my mid teens (late 70s) - boy did I miss my football - had to wait for the weekly special for the matches from the week before !!! The result ? Have missed only 4-5 games since 1980!!! These are the memories that has driven me for Spurs common we've got to win the league SOON!!!! COYMS!!
Highgatespur
Highgate ... Sometimes, it's just the memories that keep us going, mate!
Geofspurs
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