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The Not So Magnificent 7

Capoue, Chadli, Chiriches, Eriksen, Lamela, Paulinho and Soldado. Still bedding in or expensive failures, perhaps not wanted by the current or next manager?

We can always look at individuals and argue that they need time, a settled team and style of play to suit them, but when you buy players for a combined £100 million, it could also be argued that you expect more quality and effort, after forty games into a season. In fairness one or two have struggled to get a run of games, either due to injury, form of others or perhaps struggling to adapt to the pace and physicality of the Premiership, it is is probably harsh to claim that all seven are failures, but it is certain that none have been outstanding successes either.

Perhaps we can claim that one or two might just not be good enough and in the cases of Chadli and Chiriches that might so far appear to be the case. I would also suggest that Capoue expected an easier ride and to be an instant and automatic selection, but die to early injury and perhaps a not so outstanding attitude, he has struggled. Lamela just looks lost, Does Eriksen fit into the curet managers plans and in Soldado, we have a player who looks devoid of confidence, but on current form, cannot regain it without playing, but at the same time his contribution isn`t good enough for selection.

As for Paulinho, he has been okay. Not bad, but also not good. Again he needs time, but I also get the impression he is just doing enough and not bringing his 'A Game' to Tottenham. Rated as the complete midfielder, so far can we honestly say he has really been much above six out of ten in performance? With a World Cup coming, I almost feel he is just ticking over for that and also has a private hope that his own displays will get him a marquee signing elsewhere. I would also argue that Jan Vertonghen, Hugo Lloris and one or two others might just be doing the same.

It is easy to blame the seven new recruits, and we all know that there are several other senior players that are struggling to maintain their form or are just not quite good enough for the top four places and sadly instead of building upon hardening foundations this summer, I have a feeling that it will be another exodus and recruitment drive, whoever is in charge and no doubt there will be one or two major battles between Spurs, a player(s) and courting clubs looking to grad our unhappy and unsettled players.

If we take our rose tinted specs off, is there really any one of those players that we would be devastated to lose in the summer? For me, Eriksen has been the pick of the bunch and I have been baffled why he hasn`t been the key man for Tim Sherwood, but sadly something doesn`t seem right. Is this a situation where we will see players rejuvenated by a full season, pre season and 12 months integration into the English culture? I actually wonder if already we have players just treading water, knowing that a new manager is likely to step in, in the summer or that they have already earmarked a move away. All of these players are worthy of playing Champions league football, but sadly for Spurs, are they worthy of our undying loyalty, when it could be argued that they are not actually giving that to us in return...




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday February 25 2014

Time: 5:00AM

Your Comments

For me only paulinho has shown he might be up to the mark, but even so he's not been that great. Eriksen looks like a lightweight to me, disappears far to often during matches, and never dominates games can't see what the fuss is all about. Would not bother me if we got rid of the lot of them. £107 million we spent and came out of it with a worse team, it could only happen to Tottenham Hotspur
whitehartmart
Ericksen looks like he will be a decent buy, not sure about Paulinho looks like a flat track bully who goes missing in the big games, hope I am wrong!! The rest were a waste of 110m, lack of pace and lack of strength needed in our league are the attributes they all have in abundance.......Sold one player and replaced him with 5/6 players that our not fit to lace his boots. The squad is no stronger then when we had Bale, results against the better teams has shown that this season. Another "transition season" going into yet another one and followed by yet another one, is the recurring theme Enic has given this club in the last 10 years or so.................Enough is Enough we all should be screaming outside the west stand at these abject failures running this club as there own cash cow at our expense!! COYS
WestStandEnclosure
I think there is definite quality in all of them. The fact that so many of them are misfiring or underachieving imo reflects poorly on the coach and the training staff.
Madaboutspurs
Madaboutspurs I dont tend to agree with the coach and staffs fault, these are the same players who played when we got tanked against other teams under the old regime. I think having so many players that lack pace in the same side is a recipe for disaster in our league. Fielding an 11 which has Dawson,vert,Chiriches capoue, soldado and even chadli in some match's is like the titanic trying to turn away from the iceberg........it is down to bad transfer dealings we have brought in so many static players, that is why we tend to be such slow starters in games now, teams now get at us early and we spend most of the first half trying to wrestle back the initiative from the oposition!! will work against the fodder most weeks, but against the better teams its results in a 2 goal start.......game over!!
WestStandEnclosure
Ok time out, the question should be, are they better then what we had ( not including bale) answer Yes, just not better then we hoped, would we like better then we got yes and it goes on and on, the squad is improving the trouble is at the bigining we hoped for more, like 2nd or 3rd in the table and winning the F A Cup, thats it finished, COYS
spurs50yrs
WSE ... I agree with you about lack of pace. The back four can make do with average pace, as long as they have experience and good positional sense. We do need more pace from the MF and forwards. We have a couple of pacey players but it's not going to work if other players can't keep up with them going forward ... it stops us from counter attacking as a team. The trouble is, there's quite a few other things missing, too!
Geofspurs
Sadly, Wenger was right ... too many new players at once!
Geofspurs
These players need a season to adjust. They have suffered through management, injuries and trying to adjust to the Premier league. It's not trying to make excuses it's a fact. For example, under AVB Soldado suffered through a lack of service. A problem for a fox in a box striker? Frustration, personal problems, also justifying his price tag has created a heavy burden and a lack of confidence. Next season we should judge. They just need a good pre-season unfer their belts. COYS!
James1
At the moment I would have titled it the not so magnificent 25, not so magnificent coaching staff and owners! :(
Dublin Hotspur
Chiriches and Eriksen already seem quality buys and worth more than we paid. Chadli and Capoue, more hit and miss, but in terms of value not the worst buys ever. Paulinho I think was an overpriced jack of all trades, master of none. He's a good player but all too often I wonder why he's on the pitch instead of someone who will provide a more concrete skill. Lamela has been unlucky with injuries since TS came in and AVB didn't give him enough run of games to really judge a player that was always going to need time to settle. Soldado, I just find so difficult to judge...his link up play, passing and movement is top notch, but the guy just can't score for us. He's getting chances so you can't put it down to getting used to a new league or teams style of play, it has to just be confidence. Will he get it back though, or is he destined to go the route of Torres? If someone were to offer 18+mil for him then I think Levy would be a fool to risk him coming good, otherwise I think it's worth giving him a 2nd season. Ultimately we bought too many players at once, although on a positive note doing so will help us cope if we don't get CL again. We will still be able to retain enough quality to make minor tweaks and still be there or thereabouts.
flipper
I do agree, too many new players, and it's not a case of them being 'bad' players, just that they've not YET been as good as we were all hoping. I mean, come on, be honest, when we were announcing Paulinho, Soldado, then almost Willian, but followed that up 2 days later with Lamela - who didn't think we'd be hitting top 3?! I think most of us did. Willian Obviously didn't happen, the rest of the guys we signed had no English experience. I do get tired of constantly changing managers, but it looks nailed on that Louis Van Gaal will be in through the door this summer - the one thing you hear about him, is that he doesn't buy 'star' players, it's all about the team working together.....lets give these 'not so magnificent 7' a full pre season under whoever may be in charge next year, and see what happens. Our formation didn't suit Lamela under AVB, I believe that is why he struggled, the injuries have not helped either. Soldado and his wife have obviously had their struggles this year, but the fans have been amazing with him, not once have we turned on him, we always sing his name loud - he must be hearing that. For me, let them all get fit over the summer, sell off 1 or 2, and I do mean 1 or 2, and buy 3 - Left back, Centre back, Striker....we don't even have to spend big! Maybe I'm worng, I've been told numerous times I'm the eternal optimist when it comes to Spurs, I just want to see Lamela, Eriksen, Soldado & Chiriches with a full pre season under their belts, and hopefully a whole season under one manager.....then, if they're still not up to it, I'll accept that we're just not good enough, but right now, I genuinely hold out huge hope that both Soldado & Lamela WILL come good for us......am I crazy?! please, someone tell me if I am!!!
King26
Capoue and Erikson are both good players if used in the right formation (which is not 4-4-2). Neither are a fit in a 4 man midfield too slow (cap) and too lightweight (eric) but both are good players and I'd take either at Arsenal.

The rest? Well they've all looked pretty poor to be honest and look, at this moment in time, like a whole waste of money. I don't know who approved the €30m for Lamela but whoever did should be shot.

Big disappointment for me is Paul, should be doing a lot better than he has been. Seems happy to let games just pass him by, no real desire to fight for the team. Would imagine he will be gone after the World Cup.

Too many players bought when 2-3 really good ones would have been enough.

Galway Gooner
One problem this close season is the World Cup .

Van Gaal, if he comes will not be here until his WC commitments are finished and he has a break.

Players we may want may be at the WC. Players that want to leave will be at the WC.

Pre-Season training will also be affected due to the WC.

Not having a manager that we want / need may be worse this close season than others .

We need to let a good few players leave, Rose and Dawson at the front of the queue .

As for the not so magnificent 7, imo they can all go !

Perhaps this is all a result of two seasons og turgid football, thanks to Bale for last years highs though .

Perhaps it is just us supporters wanting so much more for our team ............... Who knows !

ro6ertj
there is the other consideration as to how they are integrating within the squad, how they train and what effort they are making to improve. for example how hard are the likes of Lamela looking to learn the language? Is someone like Eriksen looking to add strength, as did Modric. So much goes on behind the scenes and it is sadly a fact that the first seasons are the hardest, which has also be compounded by the whole teams disappointing performances, inconsistency, too much change and different manager with different ideas and ways of doing things
oxfordspur
og ... of !
ro6ertj
Does anyone think it was Baldini's magnificent 7? Could it be why AVB didn't want to play Lamela? It wasn't his signing and just ignored pressure from Baldini and Levy to play him? All hearsay I guess but perhaps Baldini is trying to influence team selection and tactics and Tim is doing an AVB and telling him to eff off. I'm probably talking *****e. COYS!
James1
I have repeatedly stated that the on the pith problems that have haunted our great club throughout the Sugar/Levy/Lewis years have been totally down to the fact that the men own who own and run OUR club are not in anyway qualified to be doing so! Worst still the current chairman truly believes he know more about football than the coaches and dof's he employs. Levy loves buying and selling football players. That is the big buzz for him, and the owner Lewis allows him to get away with it so long as those balance sheets look good. A zero net spend and getting that stadium built on the cheap, so the football mercenary Lewis (now at his 6th football club) can walk away with a minimum of a 500 million quid profit are his only concern. If Lewis wanted silverware as badly as the Russian at Chelsea, LOSER Levy would have been fired a decade back! We all know this is the truth! So until that new stadium goes up through naming rights or whatever SCROOGE tactic Lewis can use, we are stuck with the little LOSER running the show! Unless of course there is a major ENIC OUT campaign to get the football mercenary and his little fantasy football joke of a chairman out of our great club, which is exactly what happened when Lewis owned AEK Athens. There were mass anti Lewis protests and he sold up... The truth! If we fail to make the Europa League next season, which looks likely now that United are just 5 points behind us, 'ENIC OUT' will become the anthem... We want our Tottenham back!!!
Pele10
I don't think we can pass judgement on the new arrivals yet. Not because they need time in terms of weeks and months in the PL to gel and settle but because they haven't had (with a few exceptions) enough uninterrupted GAME TIME in the PL. It is game time that will prove whether they're good enough or not. Paulinho has probably played the most of the seven and even he has had his game time interrupted by injury and suspension. Soldado had a solid run of games in the first third of the season but under a different manager and system. He wasn't exactly prolific then and since the change in manager his game time, like his goal scoring, has been very limited. The others (Chiriches, Eriksen, Lamela, Chadli and Capoue) have had limited game time (or none in the case of Lamela). I'd be happier passing judgement on these players if they were given an uninterrupted run of 20 or so games in the first team. Only then could we pass judgement. 1 game every 4 or 5 or a few minutes as a sub doesn't allow players to find their place in the team or the league. How good could Eriksen or Capoue be, for example, if they were shown the same uninterrupted faith and loyalty afforded to Bentaleb?
SpuriousLife
Ox, very unfair in Chriches to compare him to CHadli. Tie a tractor tyre round your waste, blow it up, go stand in a muddy field then compare yourself to Chadli.
tophobunty1882
It's like everything concerned with this club at the moment, they are all here and we have to just get on with it. When all players are fit, when ever that is, we have two full teams, which on paper look pretty good. Before Sherwood drives his 19yr old love child into the ground, for god sake give the lad a rest on thursday, but we all know he won't. The 7 we signed are good players, I see Ashley Williams is being linked to us, he would be ideal, replacing Dawson and Kaboul's sands of time are fast running out, which is a shame, Luke Shaw replacing Rose or anyones Gran come to that would be a sound move. The 7 are good players, we just keep rebuilding and rebuilding again and again, the players have not settled in as well as we all thought, then again has this club had a settled season, some not all players sign because of who the manager is, only to see him being thrown out and next please, this guy is in charge. That could happen again this summer, is it any wonder we feel pi$$ed off, people talk, I wonder what conversations go on at our training ground day by day. It's becoming a complete shambles off the pitch, now it's getting onto the pitch.
spu 4 life
Alan Sugar.......A season to adjust what a load of bolloxo, 28 years old at 26 million needs a season to adjust................King26 when we signed those three i didnt think we would be hitting top 3, can you mark me down in that camp please.
tophobunty1882
Alan Sugar.......A season to adjust what a load of bolloxo, 28 years old at 26 million needs a season to adjust................King26 when we signed those three i didnt think we would be hitting top 3, can you mark me down in that camp please.
tophobunty1882
I don't think we have remotely seen enough of all the players to classify them. There is enough in all the players to suggest possible decent PL players and or class players. Paulinho would play for any team in the world, Erikson is adapting and playing all over the park yet his class is coming through, Capoue is a good player but needs to catch up to the pace of the prem and I'm confident he will. Soldado needs a goal lol and it will kick start him for sure, it's sad he has not but anyone who is a ST will know that feeling. Soldado could prove to be our hero this season (fingers crossed). Lamela well nothing to add except I cannot wait for the boy to show his class! Chadlii can catch the next flight out for all I care, useless and the only player I feel we have seen enough of to know he aint good enough. There was a plan in place with AVB but sadly our Owners and supporters failed to see it and forced Levy's hand. We are now in a position of having a gung-ho manager with zero experience in managing 7 gifted internationals and making his selections based on his potty training.
Mix26
Spu4 why would you replace one donkey with another? we need to learn from the august farce not make it worse.
tophobunty1882
luke shaw is not a donkey
spu 4 life
Chiriches sorry I really like watching and he needs to get stuck in with his head more... his nose wont take anymore beatings! @ S4L great post! @ Topho lmfao!
Mix26
Spu4 - But Ashley Williams may well be?
SpuriousLife
topho that should read ; I see Ashley Williams is being linked to us, would he be ideal, replacing Dawson and Kaboul's sands of time are fast running out, which is a shame, Read more: http://www.spurs.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7516613#ixzz2uKAsLViq And not he would be
spu 4 life
Ashley Williams is poor and there is no chance of Luke Shaw coming to Tottenham
Mixer yids
Ok, soldado. 30 goals last season for Valencia, 10 for us and 4 assists, more assists than any other spurs player this year. Less than 400 minutes gametime this year I believe? Limited supply through formations we have used. Chiriches, Romanian skipper and looks class, unfortunate with injuries and Dawson generally preferred when all were fit. Paulinho, Brazilian international. How or why has his form dipped for us.? He is a world class player. Capoue, French international. Looks great when played properly, but seldom is. Chadli, Belgian international, great foot, eye for goal and the height we need around the goal. Always played out of position. Eriksen. International player, top 10 in assists across Europe last 3 years before arriving at spurs. Lamela, capped for Argentina. Ossie loves him, great starts last couple of years for Roma, injured - no game time this year , future spurs legend IMO! It's too early to write the 7 off. They have all proven their worth with previous clubs and national teams... How have spurs made them all bad? My guess is it is mis management by 2 managers, and poor coaching and off pitch support. This can be fixed!
Dublin Hotspur
Mix26 Pauli wasnt good enough to get in the Norwich side Sunday, the same could be said of him in several games. Sadly having said that he has just about looked the pick of the bunch thus far.
tophobunty1882
* great stats* re lamela!
Dublin Hotspur
Agree with Mix26 on his assessment of the signings. It was too many at once. Not just too many in, but too many out too in such a short time. These things needed to be progressed more gradually. We had just got our record points total for goodness sake. People also forget that it took Modric one and a half seasons to prove himself totally. Why is everyone expecting all 7 to merge in seamlessly. It even took Modric another 1.5 seasons to prove himself in La Liga subsequently. There are people thinking that Willian was a miss....no he wasn't! He would have looked exactly the same as our other signings. Any player that comes to a new country and into an unsettled side will take some time adjusting. At Chelsea, there was a pretty settled side, plus a manager who knows a thing or two about how Chelsea work. As for the outs...look at Livermore.... I am not saying that he is better than what we have, but he has 3 goals and 4 assists. Comparable to Paulinho and Eriksen....even though those are better players. We just need a) some time to work them in, b) find the right systems to work them in.
TonyRich
Galway, you are developing a pattern, when we have a bad game you come here to post, when your lot has a bad game you vanish. .Spu4 as you know my meaning was Williams for Dawson..................Dublin, you are bucking a trend with Soldado, just about every man woman and dog thinks he has been very poor this season, you seem to differ, q the clones.......Luke Shaw wants to play for Chelsea.
tophobunty1882
Ashley Williams is merely a year younger than Dawson.... How can that be ideal....?
TonyRich
Good post Dublin! COYS!
James1
Tony, why are we all discussing this now in February2014 when al this was blindingly obvious in August 2013? Modric was very poorly managed early doors, played out left side very often, this delayed the arrival of his quality, which was obvious before we signed him as was the fact that he was a central midfielder.
tophobunty1882
The other problem with the 7 signings is that it ignored other issues: 3 CBs + Kaboul was not enough. Rose as LB + untrusted Fryers + out-of-position Vertonghen or Naughton was not enough. If you are going to ignore Ade, then new Soldado and Defoe was not enough. 7 signings should really refresh the entire lineup nicely. All we did was create confusion in certain positions, and when inverting wingers, it created even more permutations....
TonyRich
all 7 are better than Rose and Andros yet they've had a good run in their preferred positions to show just how bad they can be....Capoue is a very good DM, Pauli has been better than average imo although he has played a lot of football, had an injury and could do with rotating to keep him fresh, Chadli- injured and not had a run...delivers a good ball but lacks the pace that might take him up a level, Vlad a very good ball playing CB just needs to learn to concentrate and head (put him at LB can't be worse than other options!), Eriksen - lightweight start but getting better, Soldado -Never was, nor will be, a world beater but good touch and link up play has come under a lot of pressure due to the fee but that's not his fault...he will start putting them away- he's proved it time and again over his career. Lamela...how anyone can call this boy a flop I don't know, he's not played! and when he has had mixed performances in cobbled together teams another who has shown his class at a high level...meanwhile Daws has gone backwards, Bentaleb has nailed down a starting spot and had a good run whilst showing he is OK, nothing more (see Pauli description in article) but has to cut out turning into trouble (have the oppo now sussed which way he turns?) Ade has come in and started playing but for how long?....we have more problems than the 7 we bought (13 we lost)...it's more a case of Lions led by Donkey's....
shedboy2
Topho I was thinking the same thing re:GG. Surprised not to see that**** from Chelsea as well. COYS!
James1
Topho - Modric by his own admission stated that it took him longer than expected to get accustomed to the pace of the English game.... it was more that than any sort of mismanagement. Anyway, that is one example. I could name several examples. It generally takes a while for players from abroad to settle, and we signed them ALL from abroad, which was another problem. Look how much of an immediate impact Jelavic and Shane Long have had on Hull. I fully expect Jelavic to dry up soon, but it was just an example of why we should have made some signings within EPL and lower league... More expensive, but more of a sure/immediate thing.
TonyRich
1 in. ....Tony in August we needed 1. A left back. 2 A goal scorer/forward. 3 The lock picker. ...ideally all world class. One could argue the case after that for 103 other quality squad players. We got half of number 3 but spent 100 million on 7 players none of which had any prem experience. Brain dead.
tophobunty1882
Tops, agree re modric, and same could be said of bale. Remember he was our bad omen? Simply played out of position for so long. It really is the same for many of our new players, ( who have had game time to speak of) either played out of position in formation, or forced to play out of position during games. And that's not just because of injuries, it's because of the chaos that is our tactics on the pitch, inverted wingers( rearing their ugly heads again) and bentaleb being first name on the team sheet, without owning a position. He has been moved around forcing the likes of Pauli or dembele to play out of position or capoue/ eriksen getting snubbed altogether. If we can get someone in and establish who is best where, build a strategy to play to their strengths, it will be much easier to see who doesn't fit the squad, and my guess is most , if not all of the 7 signings will fit. If LVG does come as hoped by many, I can see the likes of rose, Dawson, Townsend and bentaleb being squeezed out. He won't keep them based on British media hype, when they show average to nothing performances on the pitch.
Dublin Hotspur
Playing Modders on the left was the making of him...he was struggling centrally and may have been labeled a flop -constantly over-run, not tracking and getting caught in possession. Moving left allowed him to get up to speed and gain his confidence.
shedboy2
and wasn't modders voted the worst signing in Spain last year?....now look how well he's doing!
shedboy2
Tony, Modric was always going to be a class player in the prem, it was screaming out of him, it aint from this lot, 4 are squeaking a bit but that is as good as it gets. Pauli doesnt want to play for us, Eriksen needs to be played where he will hurt the oppo, Chiriches looks as if he will make it, Lamela who knows, check Baldini's Monaco bank account, Chadli needs to play in the sun, Soldado is too one dimensional for the prem, he needs to watch videos of Bony, Capoue looks a decent player who needs a run and looks decent value. I agree with you Tony, which is not unusual.
tophobunty1882
Two potential world class defence unlockers spurs have in the form of eriksen and lamela.
Dublin Hotspur
How can we decide when we have 2 different managers in 6 months,7 new players some of whom have been injured most of the season or the manager of the moment doesn't fancy some of them.It's total chaos as you would expect when you put all these factors together.We don't even know if the manager is any good so how can you condemn the players!If we employed a manager of the stature of Mourinho,Fergie,Wenger or Rodgers we could sit back knowing that they would make the right decisions over who fits in to the team.It's not our job is it!?
Greavesaboveall
The magnificent 7 are more like the shameful 7. The best of the bunch for me is Chiriches and then Eriksen but hes far too light weight for me. There are many successful players in the EPL who have small frames such as Cazorla, Coutinho, Hazard and Pienaar but to name a few. Yes he is young but surely having the appearance of a teenage girl is not something that he was aiming for. Paulinho, Capoue, Chadli and Lamela are yet to display if they have any fight or gusto for the Lillywhite jersey at all. Quite sickening actually. Soldado for me is a shameful shameful player. It's not the fact that he is having a goal drought, thats fine but they way that he is taking his chances makes me want to cut him in half. No precision or accuracy in anythng he does. People say that he makes intelligent runs but any donkey who is training 4/5/6 times a week can run around and not score. Hardly impressive. If we get knocked out of the EL by Dnipro, I think our season would of hit a all time low. Many people on here say that we miss Bale / Bale's goals / Bale's energy, but people forget about Dempsey. No one really liked him but he scored quite a few goals for us in very tight games. Noone apart from Ade scores. The team is useless, lacking in pace and ideas.
Lady Tottingham
The sad truth is the majority of these signings are not good enough, it is now 2/3rds into the season and some are still not showing any signs of improvement in their form!! Next season half of them will be the next david bentley in the eyes of the new manager, surplus to requirements!! Oh well lets look forward to next season as the next transitional season to go with the last 10 or so under Enic!! the buck should be stopping their.............for signing these players in the first place to replace the worldies we sold on!! 110m and still count down from their the sell on value of the majority. This spend last summer reminds me of the lottery lout who had a big win, he blew the lot on sniffing charlie and stock car racing old bangers in a field!!
WestStandEnclosure
Regarding Pauli, he was promised big things by Loser Levy. "Come and play with Gareth Bale" he was told. Only to find him moved on just before the season began. Pauli gave it his all until his injury, and since is looking after number 1, with the world cup coming up! He knows now he is at a club with little or no ambition. Players speak to each other and Vertonghen another player who was lied to by LOSER Levy, "come and play with VDV, Modric and Bale", has obviously had word with him. When top players see top players of their level sold and moved on, they want the same, because they want success in their short careers. We are not a CL club and the THFC trophy cabinet is empty, and the new stadium is non existent! 4.5 billion quids worth of THFC board members have failed in 14 long years to find the finance to fund the thing, let alone build it... Top Players ain't mugs! They know Levy is a LOSER and the clubs owner has little or no on the pitch ambition! The THFC auction house will open yet again at the seasons end...
Pele10
I think the problem with the manager/coaches is as important as the palyers themselves. A strong experienced coach with a solid system and style probably would have seen improved performances/confidence/results across the board. We need the next coach to come in with a system and have a solid starting eleven for that, then a good rotation and youth backup for each position, anybody who doesn't fit the system or 3rd/4th choices should go. Just a few years ago we had 5 decent rightbacks at the club, and one leftback, this problem must never be allowed to raise its head again.

Of the magnificent seven: Capoue, Eriksen, Paulinho, Chiriches and Lamela are good enough in my book to be in the starting eleven. Soldado and Chiriches are either not good enough, not what we need or don't fit. I would keep the five above, add them to Sandro, Lennon, Dembele, Holtby,Ade, Jan, Lloris, Naughton and Walker and we have a strong 14, add Kane, Carroll, Townsend, Fryers,Prichard, Bentaleb so that gives us 20 that I think are good enough to feature next season. Our problems are in other areas, we don't need more than 5 ins and ALL bar a first team leftback and a left winger would be prospects/reserves as nobody worldclass is going to join to play second fiddle. Therefore I would buy a young English Keeper, Striker and two centrebacks.

If we are assuming that Kaboul will be let go, Sigurdsson, Dawson, Soldado, Rose, Gomes and Friedel should all be shown the door too. Add all that to the Defoe cash and just invest it where it is needed.

If we line up next season with Lloris, Walker, Chirches, Jan, New leftback.. Capoue, Sandro.... Lennon, Eriksen, Dembele and Ade, it stilleans that players like Townsend, Paulinho, Holtby, Naughton, Bentaleb and our prospects are sat on the bench or playing in cup games/Europe.

Therefore, instead of buying loads of potential first-teamers who struggle to adapt and settle we should be buying the best young players in Europe who can spend the first couple of years getting the odd game without the pressure and demands that were placed on the seven we bought last year.

Finally I have included Lamela because he just hasn't been given the games to be judged and is young enough to be given time, I saw him turn on the style for Roma a few times last season and boy can he play. He also can cover Eriksens position as well as play instead of Ade as a striker, he just needs to be given a chance. A first choice 26 million striker is something we don't need, we might need cover but I feel we even have that already. I also haven't excluded Lennon, but if we buy a great leftwinger then I wouldn't be upset to see him go to Newcastle, if it is a choice between Lennon/Dembele/Townsend for the rightwing, then the moose gets my vote every time.

sukhothai
should read *Soldado and Chadli are not good enough!
sukhothai
Dublin, I have sympathy, but just too many excuses, these are all internationals. They need to take responsibility for their own performances and we need to stop making excuses for them, step up or saddle up and feck off I say. Bad business to buy 7 at the same time, none with prem experience, saw it then as easy as it can be seen now. the focus wasn't there in august, 3 top players needed and not this stampede eyes closed to market, a three headed team each working to their own agendas not connected in their thinking. The other issus is that we bought too many one paced players to add to the mix of one paced players we have. I think there are only 3 exceptions, possibly 4. It was simply awful business, we need to learn from it, but I can assure you it will never happen again in such numbers and for such a huge sum of investment. Q the monopoly brigade.
tophobunty1882
Dublin, would be good if Vital could repost a collection of the august frenzy fest articles on here, there were a good few, to see the amount of bodily fluids erupting from a collection of constant posters on here. I bet some of them really lost weight during the festive period of August
tophobunty1882
tophobunty1882 these slow players are the contributing problem to our lack lustre first halfs we see every game. Teams are just getting the initiative from the kick off and its taking us atleast 30 minutes to wrestle control back. fine against most of the fodder,but its a 2 goal deficit against any decent team.............game over!!
WestStandEnclosure
To be fair Topho, every pundit and most managers were vocally impressed with our summer purchases at the time. Everyone felt that based on their performances before coming here, we would be challenging for the title, of course as fans we all felt that this was our time, it easy easy with hindsight and after the event to lambast it, but that is now, not then.

I agree fully that it was a folly, and like you stated it won't happen often again at this club, but many other clubs have done this before, Utd, Chelsea, Citeh have all bought six or seven in a window before, it's just never before have ALL of them flattered to deceive. The real crime is that NONE of them, not one has repeated the form of their previous seasons at their prior clubs, shocking but true. How could seven players have sterling seasons before coming here then flop en-mass is beyond me.

If even five of them had repeated 75% of their stats for the season before, we would be sat at the top of the league and everyone here would be happy as Larry. They didn't, we aren't and it failed, but we only now that here today and none would've predicted for all seven to do as badly as they have.

sukhothai
I wasn't posting then tops, but I was over the moon with the signings. They have been mismanaged and as a result of the turmoil we have seen through AVB's sacking, rookie boy in, injuries etc I can understand that some aren't putting in the full effort. Not condoning it, but understand it. It's not what they signed up for. And I'd include verts, lloris ( although he's still giving it his all) and even ade now starting to lose patience. It is fixable, we just need a manager with kudos, experience and a proven track record to be announced, get the players focus back and get them playing where they belong and as a team! Simple really!
Dublin Hotspur
Of couse add to the seven poor performers, Rose and Townsend not repeating their loan form. Dawson, Walker, Sigurdsson, Lennon and Defoe ALL not playing well. Kaboul and Sando being injured for most of the season and Ade being relegated to the youth for half the season. It is surprising that we aren't down in 17th place.
sukhothai
A little harsh in the article OX. For me Chiriches has done better than OK over all his game time, as well as Capoue, Paulinho and Erikson have been successes (I would expect profit on both is sold). Soldado hasn't adjusted to the pace of the prem, Lamela hasn't been seen, Chadli is average. If we sold all 7 in the summer I would expect something like the following:

Soldado £15m
Lamela £15m
Erikson £15m
Chiriches £10m
Paulinho £20m
Chadli £6m

Total £81m. I don't think all 7 will be sold though, I believe Erikson will want to prove himself as will Chadli and Chiriches. Soldado is likely to just go home to Spain and Paulinho will go if Real come in for him. Lamela, I dont even know if this guy actually exists or if I just dreamt about him!!!!
yiddyboy
VLAD ? i'm not seeing what alot of the posters are about this guy !! he is and has been a liability at the back, Opposition were targeting the through ball between him and Danny Pose. both players positional knowledge is questionable to say the least ! ask yourself the question, how many time has your heart been in your mouth when the 'class' Vlad is goin on a run outta defence or a fancy turn in the danger area???? let hope he proves me wrong with experience , if he does he'l be off to the chavs quicker than 'Looser' Levy (pele) can say TOP 4 !
South L/Derry Spurs
i would love to see how many goals we have conceeded with the through Ball between/over the LB and LCB when both VLAD and Pose has been playing
South L/Derry Spurs
Pele, can you qualify this please with names of the said board members and links t the financial evidence, in quids or $................Suko, I didnt, count me out of that camp please to be fair to me. Can you name the club, the window and the players where any club has spent huge on 7 none with prem experience, you suggest many other clubs have done this, you must have this info to hand.....Dublin, the idiots who did the buying were on the fekin moon, that's the problem.
tophobunty1882
Topho - What was you expecting fans to do when buying these players in August, cry? Yes you can have reservations but most (not you) people were very happy because investment (Bale money) was being made into the team. You are right that it was the wrong policy buying 7 unproven players but as an example Chelsea bought Torres for £50m because of prem experience and look whats happened.
Kong
I think they are all good players, happy we bought them, Im just not sure the managers we've had had utitlied them properly. But saying that I would be sorry to see Chadli leave end of season (shame he didnt go out on loan). I also think if he's not injured that we give Lamela a chance to claim that left side slot as neither Chadli nor Townsend seem good enough, if not play Erikson. The only problem we have is Soldado, he's a good striker, but has been so poor, do we sell him end of season and lose more than half we paid, or let the new manager next season try to get him playing the way he should.
Ossie
South L no offence but u talking pork pies mate
Mix26
offense
Mix26
Eriksen has been better since AVB went, Paulinho has been average but in his debut season with all things considered isnt that bad, Capoue when fit has done well, Lamela and Soldado simply havent got to grips with the premier league yet, Chadl for me isnt good enough, Chriches has done ok. I think Pauliniho wants out, he hasnt looked happy since he arrived. The only one I would be annoyed if we sold would be Eriksen, the rest have until next season to justify there price tag, that goes double for Soldado, had big hopes for this guy.
coys1717
Ossie, re Robbie, second option for me!
Dublin Hotspur
Talking of Danny Rose, how the hell has he made it to be our regular left back?? If we dont buy a decent left back this summer, whoever responsible needs to resign, Luke shaw is not going to happen, but Ive always liked the look of Martin Olsson, back when he was at Blackburn, pacey and is an actual defender first.
Ossie
Mix no offence taken other than its my opinion which i've generated with my own eyes :) and 15 years playing as a CB :)
South L/Derry Spurs
offense :)
South L/Derry Spurs
Ossie we will never get a return from Soldado off the pitch, simply stupid to pay 26 mill for a 28 year old. Only place to get pay back is on the pitch with him, or we cut our losses...........Kong there is a huge distance between the brain dead euphoria and crying, somewhere is the middle might have been common sense. Torres has scored a lot of goals for Chelsea, paying 50 for a player who had the injury Torres has was not sensible, PS i dont give a flying feck what Chelsea do. I do know like all clubs have made mistakes in the market and will continue to do so, but this is monumental. There is a sniff we come out of this 50/50, but i am not sure anything matters too much as if we miss CL for this season on the back of last, the golden era opp has probably passed us by.
tophobunty1882
When you look at the players body language the stand out candidates that look uninterested are Verts and Paulinho. Such a shame it isn't Rose and Dawson though!!!!
yiddyboy
I wouldn't be sorry to see Chadli leave....my bad
Ossie
So who is really to blame for all this? The players? The coaching staff? Are Levy, Baldini excluded or should all (inc. players, managers and coaching staff) be blamed for this mess? Where does the buck stop? Everyone has a different opinion on this but I think the whole thing is shambolic and needs a top coach with tons of experience with big balls to turn this around. LVG seems to fit the bill but I wonder if Levy could handle him? COYS!
James1
Topho - People were entitled to the euphoria in August, each to their own. I don't care about Chelsea either but as we are talking about unproven and proven premier players I can include Torres, he scored 65 goals in 91 league starts for Liverpool and then 19 in 67 for Chelsea. Injury or no injury that is not a good return for Chelsea.
Kong
Cant believe we never looked at remy on loan from QPR in the summer either??
WestStandEnclosure
The thing is I would be pi**ed off if I had to either cover for Rose or line up next to him week in week out.
coys1717
James1, we don't even know what Baldini's role is, does he identify the targets, does Levy have the final say, does the manager get involved a lot. Yes it is a shambles and needs to be sorted as it is not working. I doubt Levy gave £100m to Baldini and AVB and then didn't get involved at all.
Kong
Kong good question regarding Baldini's role.My opinion Baldini was given free reign. Why offer to resign not long after AVB? If Levy had the final say then it rests with him? Who knows but what we do know it's not working. I hope LVG, Sherwood or next manager next season has a blue print that will help our club progress and compete with the big boys. It can't get any worse can it? COYS!
James1
too many lumps in midfield (capoue dembele paulino )and not enough player that can pass the ball forward (holtby eriksen) and why have we gone back to 1 striker again against Norwich we should be playing with 2 . don't ts want to win the game ???
stephenspurs1210
Kong I agree, the summer was a great time to be a Spurs fan, due to all the signings we made, we really looked forward to this season. So far it hasn't worked out for them all, but the squad has upgraded, we are now only a few players short of having a great game squad. And for all the doom and gloom this season, only 2 wins behind Liverpool, who we would all say are having a great season.
Ossie
Lol derry the game has moved on mate ;-). I honestly think he is a class act and would insist he continues to push forward in the same manner Verts does and Kaboom, he is short a head which means he will struggle in the air but a little bulking up will help. I can only ask but what is your opinion on our captain?
Mix26
Topho, take a look back through transfer histories if you like, but don't call me out on having to provide evidence. You ain't the football historian here, it has happened before, I just can't be arsed to go through each club, season by season to pander to your accusations of fibbing. One of the top of my head is the 2003-04 season for Man utd... 8 first team players in, 7 foreigners, 5 with no premiership or English experience. Three spoke NO English too. Five were hits, Howard, Ronaldo,Saha,Smith,Heinze. Three flopped..Bellion, Djemba x2,Kleberson,

In my opinion it is harder to bring in four or five first-teamers and expect them to gel than 7 players when only 3 are expected to be in the starting squad. Were Chadli, Capoue and Chiriches expected to be first choices? The fact that the ones we bought for the starting eleven have done so poorly is a let down. City did better this season, bringing in 5 with NO premiership experience and 4 have settled, only Jovetic has been a let down for them. If they were in the same boat as us and Fernandinho, Navas, Negredo and Demichelis had all had bad seasons they would'nt have done so well either.

If you bring in a few plaers, some have to settle, irrespective of how many you bring in, for none to settle is just unthinkable.

sukhothai
James1, Yes a blueprint is needed and a strong manager to deal with it, I feel an experienced manager is needed to take these players on and produce the goods. Very true Ossie, for the all the bad games we have played this season we are only 6 points off Liverpool who are scoring for fun and playing good football and the league leaders only 10 points ahead. Imagine what it would have been like if we played well consistently and beat teams like West ham and Norwich, one can only dream :).
Kong
Arsenal spent big on 8 players from outside the prem in the 05/06 season and finished 4th...buy the right players for the right manager...easier said than done but at least back the guy you put in charge...we made a £6m profit in the summer (inc the Gio sell on clause) we've just made another £6.5m in January...yet have still failed to spend any ticket, TV or commercial revenue on player transfers in the past 3 years....things may have been different had Coentrao been lining up as our LB this season....one can only imagine where'd we'd be if we added Diego Costa and or Benteke...sometimes it's clear the fans do know more than these so called 'football people'...the mess has been created by Levy...not investing once we made CL, not having a plan for the manager...the buck stops with him.
shedboy2
South L/Derry Spurs- I agree Vlad has been a liability but I can also see he has talent and lots of potential...he reminds me of Kaboul when he first came in that he gets drawn into playing in midfield....cut out the mistakes and learn to head and we have a real player...and these are easily coached...
shedboy2
I think the two MOST fundamental flaws in our summer purchases (to an extent already covered by Tophobunty):

1. We rushed out to spend all the money in one go. Why? A tax reason?

2. We bought no one with PL experience. Big mistake. Quality OUTSIDE PL counts for nothing INSIDE PL.

My other issues are:

I don't believe the purchases were a unanimous decision by the MOST IMPORTANT personnel at the club. For that reason, IMO, NONE of the new signings have been exploited to their full potential. Finally having a rookie managing our team, we have even less chance of seeing the best of the individuals.

Excuses galore!. I don't see a problem with either Coutinho or Oscar being lightweight.

For me the conclusion is BOTH AVB and TS's lack of experience in managing in PL is responsible for not being able to maximise our returns. I am convinced some like Van Gaal will be able to get the best out of MOST of our current squad. COYS!
Critical_Spur
True, 7 were from abroad,.. Bendtner, Mannone, Traore, Hleb, Diaby,ADE, Song (plus Walcott and Poom for 9 players total), I dunno what Arsenal fans think but I think 6 of those nine settled and did well. Just goes to show it's not how many you bring in, some of them have to do well though, thats the kicker.
sukhothai
Funny how Wenger says that us bringing in 7 is too much when he brought in 9, 7 of which had never set foot in English football before.
sukhothai
Critical_Spur- yes we could and should have spent more wisely in the summer...I was amazed we didn't buy a LB and said it would cost us top4...BUT we didn't spend all the money, we had 6m left over (and yes you can't leave money in the bank for very long without giving the Govt 40% of it) and Quality outside the prem DOES count...quality is quality- the prem is full of players in fact most of the best players in it came from outside...it can just take a while to adjust to the prem, new club, new manager, country etc...
shedboy2
City brought in seven,one was English. Six of which were from foreign leagues in 2010-11. Boateng, Toure, Silva, Kolarov, Balotelli,Dzeko, Milner. (125m) ALL bar Boateng settled. Thats settled then, buying six or seven with no prem experience is NOT a reason for failing. Having none of them settle or buying the WRONG players IS!
sukhothai
sukhothai- pool brought in about 14 on 05 and finished 3rd....get the right players in...and give them a run in their best positions..or don't buy them in the first place!...Bentaleb is getting freedom in CM now is he better than Livermore? who is also doing well with freedom in CM to play his game...imo he was a little young for AVB's tactics....
shedboy2
You really won't be able to answer the question until the end of next season. The fact is players take time to settle, some more than others. Until you see a player in his second season you really don't know what he can do.
jod
Shedboy, you can bet your bottom dollar that the 6m left over was swept under the carpet as expenses or bonuses!

You can buy the best car in the world, but if you don't know how to drive it....then what a waste of money. The selection of the car fit for the purpose and not having a proper driver are the main culprits!
Critical_Spur
Oh NO!. Cider will love the car talk again!
Critical_Spur
Critical_Spur- I agree entirely with that!...Levy hasn't passed his test yet and keeps firing the chauffeur!
shedboy2
Critical_Spur I can see where you're coming from, comparing Eriksen with Oscar, but I've seen wiry blokes who can lift more (just as an example) than chaps twice their size. Eriksen is lightweight though and probably needs to work harder on his core strength. Look at our own legend in Ossie Ardiles. Small, lightweight but he could hold off players bigger than him. He probably has a natural strength thanks to his genes. COYS!
James1
Chelsea 2003-04...14 players in, 11 first teamers, 6 with NO prem experience. Finished second in the league and semis of the CL. Time needed to gel and settle? My a55! Geremi,Veron, Mutu, Smertin, Crespo, Makelele, Parker, Cole, Bridge, Johnson, (plus Macho,Ambrosio,Sullivan for the golies own bench) 120 million well spent on a new team. This is looking more common the further I look, I dare say it happens in Spain, Italy and Germany a lot too. If teams can bring in players that settle, why can't we? Is it the McDonalds they don't like? Is it Larry and Enids half time burgers at WHL?

I think it could be the half time snack bar, those penny pinching ********s have been bying cheap food at wholesale and selling it off to the players and fans for too long! Thats why they are angry, I always hated the owners, loser Larry and his wife Enid. ENID OUT!!!

sukhothai
MIX - until Sunday he was my stalwart :) perhaps i'm old skool :)
South L/Derry Spurs
Did we only get 10m for bale and these guys were signed for 1.5m and 2m. Because thats what they play like.who ever picked these players is the problem.mr baldini the doors open close it on your way out waster or what i said in another post d levy can get the cash side of the club right but hopeless when it comes to getting the pitch side and players right.time for change as the core of the club seems to be the problem.
bazdog
The underlying problem is that ALL the players at the moment look like they have already given in. Only Dembele actually showed a bit of passion on Sunday. If they get dropped you don't see them busting a gut to try and get back into the team. Soldado's been crap, but in all fairness to him he knows he has, and wants to put it right. Some of the others just don't seem to be bothered as they will just move if it doesn't work out. There is no commitment whatsoever. Really fuming with Vertonghens comments. Maybe if he played a little bit better we could get into the top 4!!!!We have a really good team but still have a few that will never make it. The problem is we are still playing players in our first team who aren't good enough. Rose, Chadli, Dawson all started on sunday. You can maybe sneak one in whos not good enough and get away with it but 3??. The problem is we STILL don't know what our best 11 is and we are pretty much in March FFS.
hudderspur
Shed, you're a star..Liverpool 2004-05. Eight players in, 7 from Spain and France. NONE with PL experience. Finished 5th and WON the CL. Enough evidence for you Topho? Next time instead of assuming everyone else is wrong and demanding evidence if it goes against your opinion.If you can't remember these things or be bothered to check before calling people out, bear in mind, they might do just that.
sukhothai
The first thing to establish is who had the final say on the purchase of the individual players. Was AVB happy with the players brought in or were they forced on him? Would he have preferred 3 or 4 of his choice instead of 7 handed to him? Levy has treated the faithful with contempt, there is no trasparency, no indication of where we are going. Still summer is fast approaching, new manager, new players and we start again. Again.
ItalianYiddo
Of course the players have given up...they bought into a project that is an illusion, they are being managed by a rookie who will have little credibility with them...it all stems from the top...
shedboy2
We have a misfiring engine in SOldado, a good tow bar in Lloris (to pull us out of ****), Lamela a shiny hub cap, a turbocharger in Townsend that ffails to connect with the engine, Seat belts in defence that don't work, a mechanic that doen't know where all the parts fit......just to give some examples!
Critical_Spur
@IY, I don't think we have to do it all again, I mentioned earlier that only Soldado and Chadli can really be regarded as flops, yes none have set the world ablaze, but Eriksen, Capoue, Chiriches and Pauline have done O.K. Lamela just hasn't played so can't really be judged. Chadli is a bench warmer, Soldado is the one that has cost us results, cash and confidence. In my opinion Soldado flopping on top of bad team management/club structure as well as off-par performances from others in the team such as Dawson and Rose are the cause of our failings this season, NOT the purchase of these seven.
sukhothai
Jesus Topho, you asked for evidence to back up what I said about "teams have brought in six or seven from outside the U.K before" and I did just that. I thought you might be man enough to put your hands up and say "fair enough", but obviously you are not. Rantings about sizes of members, dogs and prosthetics is a bit to playground for me. Cash spent has nothing to do with it either, both Chelsea and Citeh spent more on their acquisitions, theirs settled, ours didn't..end of story.
sukhothai
sukhothai, I don't have a problem with the individual signings, They are ALL quality players, yes we overpayed for Soldado and Lamela but than again RM overpayed for Bale and Arsenal for Ozil. When I say we start again I mean, Llorris, Pauli, Sandro and Verts going because of the shambles we are in, and the new manager will want his type of players, which may take time to settle and then the manager gets sacked.......
ItalianYiddo
jod Soldado wiill ne 84 end of next season. sheit AVB's in, hows it going Italian, I hear AVB has a contract requirement out for a baby sitter, interested? apparently he will sit on your lap a behave nicely. I hear it pays well because he had a failure clause in his last two jobbies which did him rather well.
tophobunty1882
Suko, I asked you to show me that other clubs had done what we di 100 million on 7/7 no experience, that's what we did not 6-14 chelsea and not 8 inc 5 for the future at 20 mill. we bought 7 internationals for 107 million none with prem experience that has never and will never be done again. I am jesting a little bit as board, meeting cancelled and *****ing it down with rain so cant be asked to go for walk....anyway Suko, i really like your posts and have done for a long time, always talk a lot of sense.
tophobunty1882
In that case, if they all leave then you could be right I.Y. I really hope that it doesn't happen, Lloris or Verts angling for a move is one thing, but if 3 or 4 of them want out, then we could have problems. Might mean having to hold on to Dawson too which would be a double whammy. This is why getting in a respected coach nice and early might ease their fears and buy us another season. Real can back off too, had enough of them coming in every year for our best players.
sukhothai
topho, all about opinions mate. I see two trigger happy chairmen that failed him, wasn't the first won't be the last, still plenty of bullets. And yes I'm sure he's not short of a few euros. As far as clueless idiots go he's done alright for himself better than some I can think of.
ItalianYiddo
No hard feelings Topho, I just don't like being called out for BS. I know my football, it's a common occurance. When Chelsea and Citeh spent 100m plus they bought full internationals too, no youth prospects there. They did just what we did, but their scouting network/decisions made better choices than ours did. I think we bought 5 players we didn't need. Just like buying Bentley when we had Lennon. Soldado was the wrong type of striker, Chiriches too small and weak in the air to replace Dawson, Chadli was similar to Sigurdsson who already is the wrong type of player for us. Only Capoue and Eriksen are useful to our squad and I hold out hope that Lamela will come good, but not on the bleeding wing!
sukhothai
Italian he failed twice, yes both could have waited longer, but he gave the the oppo not to....No probs Suko, wasnt saying BS, just lik to see some evidence now and then
tophobunty1882
If fact it pains me more that we bought proven internationals instead of the best youth in Europe, even at the reported inflated fees. With buy out clauses and inflated fees we could've bought any of Corchia for 9m, Volland for 32m, Bruno Indi for 10m, Will Hughes for 8m, Benteke for 25m, Luciano Vietto for 6m, Draxler for 37m and ended up with some of the best young players in the list. Someone should go to prison for what we spent on Soldado, either the bodysnatchers got him, or they sold us his evil twin. What we don't have is the Soldado who was banging them in in Spain last year.
sukhothai
I'll state once again that it's not our defence that's always let us down this season, it's our lack of fire-power.... Szczesny and Cech have kept 12 clean sheets, Lloris 11. (He's played one less game). Lloris has faced 21 less shots than the Gooner. This to me suggests that our defence are doing ok when compared to the Woolwich.... For all the goals Liverpool have scored, they have conceded 2 more than Spurs. Chelsea have conceded the least goals but, only scored 49, the lowest of the top 4...... When all the upheaval of the season is taken in to consideration and, knowing that we have under performed for the most part, surely it's not as gloomy as we all think. It's also understandable why our 7 new recruits are not performing to our expectations, given all the circumstances of this crazy and unsettled season, for the club, as a whole. We are 5th, not 15th. Up the Spurs!
MAN ON!
sukhothai - I love the facts being printed and I also have a large bunch of straws with Topho's name on them if he wants to pick them up. Not sure he'll find his way over to them though as his 14 inch cock hanging from the forehead might obsure his view!
yiddyboy
Oh and sukhothai you know arguing with wit with an unarmed man is unfair!! He will go away and work on someone else so don't lose any sleep.
yiddyboy
Tops, I think you must accept on this occasion to be well and truly answered with regards the question you asked sukho. If interest was taken into account, as well as the dramatic inflation which has occurred in relation to player purchase prices over the period of 10 or so years, the €100m price tag for seven players is irrelevant. Can we all move on now. That debate is now over.
Dublin Hotspur
I personally feel they all can be quality players. Chiriches was just getting settled in defence and then he got injured. I would have him over Dawson every time, and I feel him and Vertonghen would be a our most steady partnership at the moment, depending on whether Kaboul can get fit. Capoue I think is a quality player, but one Sherwood has undervalued. Without him our midfield looks really out of shape and Bentaleb's performances dropped considerably when Capoue wasn't there to shield the defence. Paulinho has shown glimpses of absolute class, but arguably hasn't shown them enough, and has looked really off the pace recently. Eriksen I feel is the best buy we made in the summer, he can be a world class talent. Again he just needs to get settled in the side (and played in the right position) and he can start created real chances behind the striker. I am *****ed off we loaned Holtby because I feel him and Eriksen could really form a Modric/VDV type partnership. Lamela has been extremely unlucky with injuries (as have every single player we signed in the summer - bar Soldado I think). Personally I feel him and Eriksen are the most technically talented players we signed and I feel with game time in the right position, he can thrive. You can tell he has a "footballing brain" and is a very clever player, he just needs a string of games in a settled team to show it. Chadli I think can become a good player but I don't think we've seen him in his best position yet. I think his goal against Newcastle showed the talent he can produce. Again hasn't had time in his position, in a settled team to show what he can do. Soldado just looks completely shot of confidence. If the rumours about him losing a child or whatever are true then I'm not surprised he's playing poorly. If it that rumour is true then I doubt he's in the mental state to play football at this level. I think he's been mismanaged as earlier in the season, making runs for players to find him, only for Townsend et al to blast over from 30 yards. If that keeps repeating then you will stop making the runs, because you know no one's going to pass to you. I think Soldado is a very intelligent player, just like Eriksen and Lamela. He just needs some confidence from somewhere and then I feel he can start scoring, it's just he doesn't look like he's going to score at the moment because he's snatching at chances to much. In summary: I personally feel we signed a good group of talented prospects, who have struggled to settle. If you look at the fact that we signed seven players who all had to break into the team, learn the language, overcome injuries, deal with a manager change, play out of position and play different "styles" of football, there's no wonder they've struggled to settle. I personally feel they've all been mismanaged more than anything. And I don't think Sherwood's appointment has helped matters. I really feel him being manager could really set us back this summer.
rahn DMC
shedboy2, you speak the truth, the sad old truth... ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
..Somewhere over the rainbow............
MAN ON!
Rahn, great points..I agree with everything bar the Chadli opinion, Bentley scored a great goal too, awful player. Your points on combinations of Holtby, Lamela and Eriksen are spot on. These three playing behind a striker with Capoue and Sandro sitting behind them would be an awsome formation, no place for wingers though..but thats maybe a blessing since ours are sheit. Re: Soldado losing his kid, reminds me how Palacious was never the same after his brother got iced.
sukhothai
Rahn, good post mate, and agree. they are quality players. Just haven't shown their full potential yet, for a number of reasons. I can't wait to see holtby, eriksen and lamela playing together regularly. Lewis stated he prefers a more DM role, and with the other 2 unlocking everywhere it would be amazing. Hope it happens.
Dublin Hotspur
Glad everyone has made up now BTW. Lol.
Dublin Hotspur
Holtby is a class act. Let's see if he is surplus to requirements for the new manager in waiting. I sincerely hope not. Not to everyone's taste but I really do rate him. COYS!
James1
Non of them have inspired me whether it is lack of quality, or the havoc running through the club or just settling in I don't know.

If I was asked who I would prepare to give us a second season out of the seven it would be lamela as we haven't seen enough of him and he is young, Eriksen as he reminds me of Modric, light weight but can improve on that and he has shown glimpses of quality, Paulinho because he has done ok and I think he has potential and possibly Capoue if he is committed to the challenge as he has potential and possibly Vlad who could improve and be a back up CB but not first choice imo. however, if I was told the lot are going next season I wouldn't cry about it other than it would be another stupid thing to do as it would mean another overhaul and that doesn't work.

I think we have concerns about the lack of quality or form in Rose, Naughton, Siggy, walker, dawson, lennon and townsend at times, and the problems with injuries in kaboul and no back up gk although brad did well in his europa game and once again lack of strikers. So in fact there is a lot of issues that need addressing imo.
WorldPeace
Oh, you're glad Cider? Tell you what, lets start another heated debate. 23 years ago, behind the co-op in Poole, a mate and I shared a 3 litre bottle of Dry Blackthorn. I woke up the next day in his mums kitchen, covered in vomit, carrots in my ears with no memories of the night before. After a visit from the local copper, and a one year ban from co-op...I vowed never to touch the daemon apple sauce again.

Even smelling the stuff makes me feel sick, used to love it, but after that night, I can't stand the stuff. I hate Cider. Every time I see your name, I feel sick. Loser Levy, ENIC OUT! ;-)

sukhothai
Are we not in danger of blaming the tyres because the driver crashed his car? These players were signed because they were performing well or very well in their respective clubs and leagues. Yes the standards may vary across Europe but lets not kid ourselves that the Premiership is the pinnacle of European football. I think last weeks Champions league and Europa league result showed that! So why have these good players all struggled when they've pulled on the Spurs jersey? I think Dublin Hotspur hit the nail on the head. Very few if any of the full 25 man squad have performed to a decent and consistent level this season. That is despite a change in manager/coach mid way through the season.

Lets rule out the possiblity that good players become bad over the summer and that all their skill and ability deserted them, if so then the only explaination is that they are being asked to play in a way that restricts their natural skill or ability. Surely who ever was asked to manage this group of players should do so with a view to exploiting the talent pool available to them. The only player that seems to have benefitted from the change of manager is Ade, no other player seems to have upped their game as a result of the new approach (bentableb is geting more game time but is he excelling as a result?). The major change is that the conflict has moved from the strike force to our midfield, where players have been left out of the starting line up in favour of players who are being asked to play out of position? Erisken, Capoue, Townsend etc.

Now we have an unbalanced squad, overloaded with midfield "talent", bare bones of a defensive 4 and limted strike options. But we still persist in playing in formations and a fashion that don't suit the pool of players available. Until we actually aply a more ergonomic approach to our formations all our players will strugle and under perform. I.E. lets fit the job to the man and not try and shoe-horn the man into an unsuitable job!
Slurms McKenzie
Mind you Cider, anyone who has had a dodgy night in Bangkok with a she/he might feel a bit sheepish when the see my name. I mean they are 95% sure it was a she, but that remaining 5% eats away at you for life.

Apparently. ;-)

sukhothai
Our Cb are struggling becaue they are often too far apart or have been deserted by their full backs. Our full backs are more often then not caught in no mans land of being neither proper full backs or proper wingers. Are midfiedl looks over crowded yet we constantly have players isolated ont eh ball and our striker strikers are still lacking in chances being created! Lets start at the back and work our way forwad

Lets suggest playing three at the back, Kaboul, Dawson and Verts should now be avialable. Two wing backs playing out wide of our DCM (Walker - Sandro- Rose) then two box ot box midfielders playing LM and RM (Pick from Paulinho, Dembele, Bentableb, Siggy, Chadli, Townsend and Holtby when he returns) play our creative outlet behind the striker Eriksen, Lamela, Chadli even lennon! and then play your out and out striker as a striker and keep in as our furtherest forward player for mos tof the game!!

At this moment in time our strongest team would be Kablou, Dawson and Verts, Walker, Sandro, Rose, Demeble, Paulinho, Eriksen and Ade. Move the ball quickly but keeping the passing simple, no long aimless passing and more overlapping runs from Dembele and Paulinho. Playing proper wing backs would mean each defense or offense would have a minimum five man component and keep more structure to our play. Justa thought be I do think it would suit the players we have avialable to us far more. Even soldado would benefit from a more passing based build up then the, leg it to the endline and lump it across approach!!!
Slurms McKenzie
James, I said it a while back. Lewis is a spurs man, he will be our future captain. If he comes home!
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin sorry no I don't and sorry to disappoint. No other team has ever spent over 100 million on 7 players in the same window each with NO previous prem experience. It's never happened before and will never happen again, well I cant say that part 100% i guess. Sorry mate, keep trying though if it interests you.
tophobunty1882
James, Holtby deserves a chance, to me he has disappointed to a large degree but at 1.5 mill expectations weren't too high. One thing he always did is put in a big shift, no doubt because he came from the nearest thing to the prem, another league where you cant hide, unlike the other european leagues. If we had him Sunday and he didnt play well he would have still been our best player, yes it was that bad.
tophobunty1882
yiddyboy, i see you jumped on it, you and i have history mate, remember the one you gave me about my family? i haven't, neither have they, what goes around comes around and that one will most definitely come around. Look forward to it. That's offline now.
tophobunty1882
Our two biggest problems this season? No not AVB and Sherwood, or Rose and Soldado, its being carved open to easily and not creating enough goal scoring chances (let alone taking them) That is a horrific combination. The transition from AVB to sherwood has not really addressed either of these two problems. Hence the very tense and torturous nature of our season.

City and Liverpool have adopted the approach that the best defense is a good offense and it is working for them (just) against the bulk of the league which will be sufficent to get them top four finishes!

Chelsea are taking the approach that if we don't concede we won't lose and winning games becomes a matter of scoring the odd goal (ironcially this was AVB's approach as well).

For the first half of the season Arsenal seemed to have gotten both sides of the game sorted - hard to score against and effective going forward- and made them the early favourites for the title but they seem to have gone off the boil at the worst possible time.

If we are to challenge for the top four any time soon we have to resolve our defesive frailty. We do not possess the players or resources to out score the opposition every week so we have to shut the back door! Whether this is achieved by playing more defensive players, upgrading the ones we have or accepting that the "Spurs way" will never win us success or a combination of all three is down to a manager with a long term plan and long term backing from all concerned at the club.
Slurms McKenzie
Topho I wouldn't say it will never happen again, in fact I'm pretty sure it will be a regular occurance, City spent over 100 million last summer on 6 players with no premiership experience!
Slurms McKenzie
I see potential in Capoue and Erriksen but the rest are total flops.
foreign_viewer
I predicted this. You bought the same player many times over.
foreign_viewer
Sukho. Lol. I remember me and the missus drinking with a fella from cork in koh samui pre kids. 10 or more years ago now I guess. He was meant to be going to japan for the football ( so 12 years ago!) we ended up on the island somehow and decided to stay. He met a girl that night. Woke up with a lad in his hand! We met him the next night and he told us. His life was over from that point on. He was horrified! Never saw him again!
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin - typical Cork man so...
Slurms McKenzie
Another one in kata beach Phuket in 05. Made pals with a small bar owner, he had a go go bar. Had great craic playing pool with the ladyboys, never forget the wife's screams when they were taking the p out of us, nobs and nockers out at the same time! Lol
Dublin Hotspur
We should bring in LVG, a big international name manger, who can deal with any player in the world. Then our squad will stay and we will see what they can really do.. If Jan. Hugo want to go, Levy has to put his foot down, hold them to contract, like liverpool did suraez.
Block D Spurs
Slurms - The idea of no long aimless passing with Dawson in the team. Is that even possible??

Clearly we don't have any tactics or game plan, unless someone is going to convince me that Harry, AVB and now Tim all say to Dawson "when you win the ball, look for the guy in the blue baseball cap in row 7, hit him and you'll get another years contract" His distribution is not his strength so why does he constantly play these 50 yard diagonal???

Esspecially for Pele, with the worst trophy per season ratio in the history of our club surely it makes perfect sense for Loser Levy to appoint players from within this era to be at the helm. Sherwood, Les & Freund. It's just one big happy family!!!
ENIC OUT
ENIC OUT
ENIC OUT
yiddyboy
Yes Block D and then all we have to do is play like Liverpool to keep these players happy!
Slurms McKenzie
sukhothai - Fair enough mate, everyone's entitled to their opinion. I do agree out of the 7 i think Chadli isn't as good as the others. I would love to see Holtby alongside Sandro with Eriksen in front of them, Lamela on the right and whoever on the left. The intelligence in that midfield would be great to watch.
rahn DMC
Dublin Hotspur - It would be like having Modric and VDV back again, aahh good times!
rahn DMC
Big words for a troll. Even when proven wrong it still won't apologize to a fellow poster. I don't know your family, I just feel sorry for them. If they actually exist as I'm convinced you become more active on here during lunchtime and after school..
yiddyboy
Yiddy I hear what your saying about Dawson's pin point passing, (he nearly always gets it to that lad with the baseball cap) but to be fair how many outlet optiosn are actually available to him? its not like there are two or three players screaming for the short pass from him, most of our midfield tend to turn their back on him (it maybe to protect their nads) and are walking forward, we don't even try and race up to put pressure on the opposition as the ball is landing! I mean we all know whats going to happen surely the lads on the pitch and side line have spotted it at this stage?
Slurms McKenzie
Dublin.. know what you mean.. as I been to OZ via Singapore many times.. the TV prog. Ladyboys was very good insight to the lads / girls in mid gender.. transition. Always found far east girls very polite.. even the ladyboys when i told them not interested in their attentions towards me..lol...
Block D Spurs
Block D would you never be tempted to just have a coupel of drinks with them and see what comes up?
Slurms McKenzie
It might not be too hard...
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms, yes we can do this Liverpool fast movement game. We have the speed and ability.. just need motivated players, and tactical nous..
Block D Spurs
Slurms - The key to us at the moment is the lack of a team approach, everyone seems to be in it for themselves. We should hunt in packs and back each other throughout the game. We have no team ethic which is something Van Gaal will bring in. At least AVB's team seem to have this ethic, what I now see is a bunch a overpaid twots looking uninterested. Roll on Thursday, when we win everyone will have forgotten the last week. It's a funny ole game!!!
yiddyboy
Topho, I thought we had done this, you originally posted "Bad business to buy 7 at the same time, none with prem experience, saw it then as easy as it can be seen now"

To which you replied " you suggest many other clubs have done this, you must have this info to hand... I then gave you many posts of teams that have bought six and seven players from abroad, some even brought in more from English teams too. You are adding the 100m plus requirement post statement. But even that can be refuted..

City spent 135m in the 2010-11 window. It wasn't that long ago and still fresh in the mind, out of those ins, only Boateng didn't stettle and even then he played well, just didn't like having to play fullback, he wanted to play CB. When Chelsea bought the 12 first teamers they spent 121m, the six full foreign internationals accounted for 77m of that. Using the CPI it is 96m in todays money.

We are assuming that ALL transfers in within our leagues settle automatically and just the foreign players have problems but that assumption would be false too. They have to gel too, and many don't. It's not the buying of players that was the mistake, it was some of the players we bought and the coaches, system and turmoil at the club which was the problem.

sukhothai
Slurms.. no beer goggles for me in the bars.. 20/20 vision, so never seen any unexpected appendages on the girls i have talked to... :-)
Block D Spurs
Yiddy it is that lack of team effort and structured play that I feel is the death knell for Sherwoods Spurs career, I have been willing to give him time to stamp his own identify on the team but three months in that has been severely lacking. At best he seems to be a bit of a Harry-lite with players allowed to run around and do what they like with little emphasis on working as a team or even tracking back. Infact the hard work side to our game has almost disappeared.
Slurms McKenzie
@Cider, great story. Seen it too many times to mention. I speak Thai very well and during my time there teaching I got to know some of the local 'Ka-toeys' in my local bar. One told me one night that Brits would get so smashed and were always looking for a 'one-nighter' that they were the easiest. She/he told me that Brits never count the money in their pocket so were the easiest to lift from when they were sleeping.

I always wondered how any lads went back to blightly with stories of their wild night with this 'Thai girl' without ever knowing that they had been buggered, or had been buggering.

Thing is, once they have had the op, how do you really know?

sukhothai
Block D what your saying is you never took a chance on chatting to some "girl" incase she tried to feed you some cock and ball story? That would be the defensive approach, not letting the opposition score!
Slurms McKenzie
sukho - in the end of the day its all skin and as my dear old granny used to say "a holes a hole"...
Slurms McKenzie
After having one of the worst 'downers' to a defeat I thought I'd give this a rest for a while. As you can see I have the resistance as much as the spurs defence v Man Citeh when it comes to Spurs…. At work we often work in 'scenarios' - if you can indulge me for a little while…. (i don't know how to do the paragraphs - the return button doesn't do it… anyway) Imagine you decide to leave your work place where you're appreciated and highly thought of… you come to this new place on the belief that one of the revered talented colleague in the business will be there; the place you are going to is aspiring for the best… the best work place … a great place to enhance your skills and great teamwork with individuals having clearly marked job descriptions and roles.. you arrive to find: the highly skilled colleague has gone somewhere else, just about everyone who seem to matter is new as you are; the man who sold you the dream is not talking to others in suit and them not to him… the brand new work place is still looks like something that belongs in the Shanty town that One knows so well back home and no one seems to know each others role nor what the plan is … You think 'I am skilful but I need to know what the firm wants - can someone help ?' Nah, because no one else knows… what about the trainers - there are people who are standing around with a smile on their faces - they cant be the trainers surely ?.. Then I Keep hearing that it will be alright in time but BANG around Christmas the boss goes and in comes this fella, one of the ones who has been s*******ing all this time as the new boss… he's telling us to work away but he never gives me any job to do … Ah well I can get paid for doing nothing if that's what they want me to do… SORTED ? Can you imagine if that were you what would you do and what would happen to psyche? We can't blame the new ones folks - I'm afraid and so embarrassed to say that we have been rudderless for a while…. only one person to blame I'm afraid and us the fans we've let it happen - myself included...
Highgatespur
sukhothai, Sorry to interrupt you but you keep referring to Dublin as "Cider". Are you sure your not on the apple juice yourself? ;-)
MAN ON!
Yiddy, you will get your chance, lets not do it on here and spoil the place for others.
tophobunty1882
Suko, we have done this now, no problems, simply others wanting to get involved and starting to make it personal, yiddy and I have history that will sort itself out when the time is right, out of my hands now. Me and you, no problems, thank you for coming back with some facts.
tophobunty1882
Soldildo has to find some form next season,he`s making himself very hard to back.Under a different system under a different manager may see a better player.You can`t be that good in Spain & end up like this so wouldn`t lose faith in him & just write this season off.
But i also remember when Liverpool signed Morientes,very similar players with same EPL issues,horses for courses.

Chadlii is proper $hitte,no hope for him.But IMO Van Gaal could get the best out of the rest.
How can you play at your best when the club is in disarray? Organise,regroup & get the best out of some seriously talented players. Just throwing them out their Sherwood style is making even the great Vertonghen look like a muppet,& he is IMO world class.
Fanny adams
Soldado needs to find some form this season FA. If he'd scored just 3 more goals in the right match, at the right time, we would be up there with Chelsea.
MAN ON!
...If not above them.
MAN ON!
MAN ON! That`s true,one game can turn you from zero to hero.It works both ways.
Fanny adams
Fanny that's very fair, i do think ManOn asking for this season is better for us obviously and how ManOn do you stay so positive and be a spurs fan at the same time?
tophobunty1882
tophobunty1882, believe me, Im not always as positive about Spurs. Sometimes I just want to put a bit of balance in to the debate. I am an optimist by nature, but not all the time. After 47 years supporting Spurs I'm quite used to the downside and it's never got me anywhere fretting about it. I used to be one miserable and angry young man. You can't keep that up forever....
MAN ON!
Topho like all Spurs fans he's touched in the head...
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms McKenzie, that's also true.
MAN ON!
Damn, I've now gone and blown my cover!
MAN ON!
:-)
Slurms McKenzie
Good boy Topho, accept someone is right and apologize. You've gone up in my estimation. Also am I going to meet your family on here??
We don't have history, we have banter that you have taken personally and I have laughed off. Have you ever heard the expression "Don't give it if you can't take it?"
yiddyboy
The magnificent eight then? These were the main stayers of our squad (those who have been at the club for more than 2 years… counting loans as well) Dawson, Naughton, Walker, Lennon, Defoe, Kaboul, Townsend and Rose these players knew the club and told the new ones how we are "the grand old team to play for and if you know their history…" How did they do ? So how did they help the new ones? For me, there are no options but not to release anyone this summer we can't afford another 'getting to know you' gathering in July…. For me, I think we can say whether we like the way the new ones play or not but we can't judge on this season's show - the blame lies elsewhere…. Was really hoping for Hoddle at Christmas - would it have been any different ? Will be there on Thursday COYS!!!
Highgatespur
Man on, cheers, I was wondering, but I will answer to anything most of the time. My 18 month old often calls me " mummy"! Highgate, a brilliant analogy. Is say you lay awake sweating all night while that was flashing in your head! Lol. But very true. Kinda been there before!
Dublin Hotspur
Soldado is a greater goalscorer when properly supported and when confident. He will come good given the chance. Holtby and Eriksen are two great young players who will definitely get better as they fill out. Sandro is immense when fit and Dembele is our best player when on his game. Lennon is still our best wide man and Adebayor and Lloris would grace any team. The rest it has to be said are only average who can flatter to deceive or like Kaboul unreliable. Is Bentaleb going to be better than Jake? Or Capoue more mobile than Thud. Erik who?
Love totty
Yiddyboy. let it lie on here, we can sort it out when we get together.
tophobunty1882
Man On - if and when Robbie scores three that would be 4 more than our departing friend, Jermain, did in the whole of 2013! Will we then sing " Roberto Soldado he's a yido…. " (doesn't quite rhyme though….) You get the drift though aye …. Hope he plays on Thursday ….. come on Robbie, stuff them !!!!
Highgatespur
We didn`t sell 7 first teamers & buy 7 first teamers.That would be disruptive,we sold one star player,NO I in TEAM.

The biggest issue for me is not the players who were bought,but how bad some of those are who have been here for years.
Adeabayor only decided to show up.Lennon has been dreadful,Walker useless,Rose championship quality at best,Defoe not at his best when called upon,Dembele his worse ever season (imo),Kaboul non existent,Dawson has been a donkey,Dawson is terrible now.Siggurdsson is imo one of our worst ever signings.
IMO the so called established players have done nothing this season & we need to look at them & not just blame the newcomers.
Too many of our players have got lazy & complacent,too easy to pick up £50 to £100 grand a week & a kick in the teeth for the fans imo.Dawson gives his all granted but the rest should be ashamed of themselves.
Van Gaal has to come in & give this club & some players a kick up the jacksy.
Fanny adams
Topho - Are we planning on getting together then? Are you paying for the flights? :-)
I'm happy to move on, forgive and forget. Your choice?

Fanny Adams - Totally agree regarding Soldado, I also think if we bought Messi he'd be crap too...LOL
yiddyboy
thats a good outlook ManOn and 47 years, you should have done armed robbery you would have been free now....
tophobunty1882
Currently, Tottenham is a feckin joke of club..we sell our best playes and change managers frequently, theres just no stability and that's down to our chairman. Why woudnt Jan, Paulinho or Lloris wan to leave?? they see what the club is set up to do-a player comes in,performs, and then is sold for profit, That's it.No ambition what so ever. And by the way, Paulihno was told Bale would not be leaving so that he could sign, so he was lied to from the start...a serious club does not do stuff like that.
T0P-FOUR
ouch fanny, or even fanny ouch.....
tophobunty1882
Geoffspur.... Sheringham never had pace, nor did Cantona. If they have a footballing brain, as they did and Bobby Moore, then pace is not that important. Vertonghen hasn't any but he reads the game, trouble is he's trying to read it for 3 players instead of just himself. My own opinion is that when we get a manager who has experience and knows how to play football the way we like it, then I think we will see 7 very good players have been purchased. AVB didn't get the best out of them and wasn't given extra time to do so. As far as TS goes, well this part of the jury is definitely still out. I just cannot see how experienced international players would want a tenderfoot coach running their team.
longtimespur
For me, it wasn't the number, but the players we bought. Basically, we bought too many players we didn't need and left too many weaknesses in the team, which have largely hurt us this season. At the start of the window we needed, a striker who could play up top alone, some creativity in MF, a Bale replacement and a LB. Those were the priorities. In addition, we could have done with a No' 2 GK and a 5th CB, as squad players. Spend less, keep a contingency for Jan. What we had was a 3 headed hydra each with their own agenda buying players, and not joining together to strategically link the purchases to the on field requirements. The result is what we have today.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
FA - got my point then ? They have been worse than diabolical = each week they get away with it…. time to say enough is enough… I'd be distressed if I was Holtby to see the players who get a chance…. Any further news on why Eriksen sat on his bottom so much on Sunday ?
Highgatespur
Yiddyboy, we have had many run ins on here and some not pleasant, quite often you went personal and offensive, I don't mind that, but you over stepped with bringing my family into it and it was not acceptable to us. I will not let that go ever and one day we will get together, i wont let it go.
tophobunty1882
Excellent point and observation, longtimespur, I feel we are slowly getting to the point…. I don't think any of us know the true strengths of our players - disgrace ain't it ? even Dembele's ….
Highgatespur
Highgatespur sorry if you already said that.
But how does Lennon get so highly rated?he can`t even get in a poor England team.
Walker?he`s so wrapped in himself he actually thinks he`s good.
Adebayor is great,but only when he has a point to prove,you can`t have a player like that."I`m going to play my best just to make someone else look the bad guy" done it with mancini,Wenger & now AVB.
Rose is a player that should not be in any top 4 chasing team.
Defoe`s biggest fan has always been himself.
For the last 5 season we`ve had 5-6 players carrying the same 5-6 players,no more carriers please then we could do something.
It`s the players who carry that always want out & we are left with the same carriers.Dawson,lennon,Defoe & Walker biggest culprits for me,don`t do enough.
Fanny adams
T0P-FOUR, Agree with every word of your post! The truth maybe painful to read, to accept, but excepting the true reality of any situation is the first step to change in life! We want our Tottenham back! Lewis/Levy/Enic OUT!!!
Pele10
Of the players themselves, only really Eriksen has convinced me that he could have a future. Paulihno, came with rapturous reptutation, but has flattered to deceive. He isn't strong enough, doesn't do enough of anything well, and lately just reminds me of watching JJ. Let's not forget that he was one of the mainstays of AVB's sides that scored 15 goals in 16 games. You can hide in matches only if you score 12-20 goals a season. He wasn't a player we needed and IMO was bought mainly with future sell on in mind due to his CONCACAF performances and the impending world cup. Capoue,too slow,gives the ball away too much, poor attitude, might just as well of kept Hudd. Chadli, too slow for a winger or forward in the prem and has just been really poor. Eriksen, after a slow start has looked good and has contributed, the only one I'd want to keep. Lamela, hardly played, but from what I've seen, just doesn't have the pace to play on the wing. May make it as a second striker/ no'10. Chiriches, IMO, he's struggled with the pace of the prem in an often disorganised back line. He's too small and too weak in the air to play prem CB, he also isn't blessed with pace. He may make it as a FB, or DM as the guy has obvious skills. Soldado. Not the striker we needed IMO, but he's a better player than he has shown. I can't believe he has been so poor. His confidence is shot, don't know if there is a way back for him now. All the above, just my opinion of course.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Fanny, when chadli and siggy were played in the right position, they both played well and scored screamers. Next game... Dropped, I don't get it!
Dublin Hotspur
THFC official site has Sandro featured in todays training photos. Let's hope he is ready soon for a return, along with Kaboul.
MAN ON!
Pele10, it is painful to think about it...Why were Liverpool (who will go on and get champions league now) able to keep Suarez without champions league but we sell Bale after his ONE world class season. Liverpool deserve champions league not only because of their form but also because they put their foot down and told their best player he wasn't leaving..simple as that. Whats the differenece between us and Newcastle who just sold their best player? We both are without champions league and probably wont get it anytime soon...if you ask me were just like a mid-table club and it *****in sucks because were so close.
T0P-FOUR
Dublin, same players, same outcomes BUT different managers - why is this happening ? Bullying culture? Needless to say Eriksen and Sunday ??!
Highgatespur
Does anyone know what Vertongen thinks of van Gaal
Big Ron
Suarez has yet to be at Liverpool as long as Bale was at Spurs... It is suggested that Suarez's latest contract is for around 200 grand a week + bonuses. When he joined Pool his contract was only about 40 grand a week. I'm sure if the Scousers were offered over 80 mil for him, he would be gone. He is now Liverpools highest ever earner.
MAN ON!
Big Ron - I don't think Van Gall gives two hoots!!! Btw what's happened to DeBoer rumours? I see the ole mentors says Timmy's going to be great…..
Highgatespur
.....He's been at Liverpool for less than 3 years. It took suarez a good year or so to start really performing.
MAN ON!
Also, how long will it be before Suarez looses it and is suspended for a few matches? Not long, I suspect.
MAN ON!
That is right Man On, Liverpool refused to sell Suarez because the only bid was £40m+£1 from Arsenal. Anything higher than £50m and they would have sold. No one else bid so Suarez didn't kick up a huge fuss, would have been interesting if Madrid bid for him.
Kong
Man On! I really don't know why people are keeping on at this - Levy and Lewis will do what they want - it's no good moaning about them and then attending the games… I still say things aren't over yet - we'll get there if we are ready to pounce … but Bale's gone and Modric the same.. it's history - how come we are fifth - we have been so cr"p according to some ALL season!! So many contradictions but that's the definition of supporting Spurs ?!!! COYS!!!
Highgatespur
Never wanted Surez at Spurs..... Bale was making trouble. We did some fantastic business there, considering it was only one world class season that he showed for us.
MAN ON!
I'm not suggesting we don't miss Bale or Modric but we all know they wanted out. They both couldn't of made it more obvious.
MAN ON!
We refused to sell Modric for £40m to Chelsea and the following year he still left so you cannot force players to stay for too long.
Kong
Bale, Modric and Suarez in the same team would be amazing. How much would it cost to have them all now at Spurs? Crazy money!
MAN ON!
As for the "7"? It's still early days for all of them.
MAN ON!
Man On True - thats why I classify them as history - could see a repeat of Berbatov with Bale… It wouldn't matter ManOn as the dosh would be rolling in - don't know into whose pocket though…. we'd've won our first League title in my life time!!!! Never mind Man On more like Dream on…. Kong Modric played with heavy heart it was so obvious….
Highgatespur
The only player out of the 7 I have doubts over is Soldado, not to bad really, remember Rebrov it does happen, but still early days COYS!
Thats Entertainment
Sorry, Suarez has been there just over 3 years...... As for the "7"? It's still early days for all of them.
MAN ON!
What happened there?
MAN ON!
Chadli too slow,Eriksen and Lamela too lightweight but I would give them another season. Cliriches I like (even Bobby Moore would look dodgy with Rose to his left), Paulinho is obviously class but,like Capoue, along with a few others has given up on the manager ( Sherwood would mess up Barcelona given a couple of months). Willian would have been an ideal fit in AVB’s system as would Townsend but only if someone would give him a brain transplant. Soldado I cant help feeling is a good player playing crap, again with a Willian and a brainy Townsend with maybe Eriksen or Lamela behind and you would have some sort of system. AVB’s system perhaps too intricate and was always going to take time. The “You are experienced players, go and do your thing” might have worked at Blackburn in the 90’s but not now in a very tactical PL
matt hoten
Did anyone see Dzeko's miss against Stoke. An easier chance than Soldados against Dnipro. It happens to all good strikers. Unfortunately for us, Soldado has made a few cock-ups... By the way, City, given all their top talent, were rubbish against Stoke and lucky to win. It's an up and down season for all top 5 teams this term. It ain't over 'til it's over.
MAN ON!
7 New signings?.....Magnificent. You'll find no Cowboys here.
Cider spurs
Gooners? All their best players are injured at the mo and Ozil, (how much?), was dropped at the weekend. Liverpool's defence is shakier than ours. Chelsea can be beaten along with the rest. It ain't over.
MAN ON!
MANON, I can"t even see us getting a point at Liverpool so there gone, perhaps Man city will blow up after winning the cursed cup on sunday, you never know!
Thats Entertainment
Yes, but what ever we all see and believe, our players need to have the strength of character to know all those teams can and will be beaten.
MAN ON!
Next season will see The Return Of The Magnificent Seven, all guns a blazing....
MAN ON!
Hey, MAN ON!.....That was some chat with Sukhothai i had earlier. ;-)
Cider spurs
MAN ON, For next manager LOL!
Thats Entertainment
Talking about our defense, our two centre backs are miles apart with c DCM dropping in the space, the two FBs are everywhere and nowhere.

Lets get the back four doing the defending first and foremost, perhaps even a DCM or two stopping the oppositions midfield, that still leaves 4 players who can attack without worrying about any defensive duties..

ro6ertj
I'm sure that the players still are all good. They all were when we bought them but they need the right manager to get them playing together AS A TEAM. AVB started a system that was too long coming to fruition for Levy et al. Don't think Sherwood is the right man to take on a squad full of internationals. Not enough experience and tactical nous from what I've seen during the last few months. Hopes he proves me wrong but can't see it. COYS
longtimespur
As Fanny stated, and has before. We are only as strong as our weakest link. Yet again this season too many weak links have played too many games. That's not aimed at our new signings, but more the likes of Rose, Walker, Daw's and Lennon. These players should know the standard required, they know the league, the club and surroundings. Yes Daw's has been a mainstay through keeping fit, does it make him first choice or the only choice?.

Manager changes, not ideal, it happens, but i'm pretty sure our injuries to players that would be 1st choice selection have eclipsed all others in the league. Add to this AVBs refusal to play a top striker, players out of position, Sherwood's lack of experience and again questionable selections for positions, is it any wonder the new signings are not blowing the league apart, it's kind of a shambles really, if a player is in the midst of all this, are they really going to try their hardest or resort to the anarchy around them.

Get a good manager in, a man's man, but one who knows how to get a team playing as, well, a team. Example if i may...We all know Dembele is most probably more effective further forward, I'm sure Dembele know's this. I ask however, what Dembele would reply if asked his position. This is one of the major flaws this season i believe, too much chopping and changing of positions for the players.

Dembele, you're an anchorman, AM, Winger. Eriksen, Left, Right, CM, 10. It goes on. Play the absolute best available in their absolute best position when available, when they are not, play the next best player who plays that position. It should breed consistency and an understanding with other team mates by learning the game of those closest around you. Get some relationships going, not happened anywhere near enough this season.

Be honest, we all second guess every week pre line up announcement, who is going to play LW or Left of a 3, that's craziness after 27 games, but it does highlight how poorly this is being run. It's not just the Left though is it?. Yes we've bumbled along and secured a remarkable amount of points thus far all things considered, but the reality remains, it's been shambolic from start to present. How can the players be asked to be consistent, when the formations and those who should play in said positions are not?, they go hand in hand. Argue injuries all you like, you slot the next best in as a replacement, but only when required, not chop and change every week for the sake of it.
Cider spurs
ro6ertj...Yes mate. I've noticed that worrying trend of late regarding the vast gap between the CBs, Way too much space.
Cider spurs
Cider spurs... I was waiting for you to respond to Sukhothai.
MAN ON!
Fanny, sorry, just catching up. Great post re the established players, they definitely fell under the radar and the newbies have taken all the heat. Rose, Townsend, Dawson, no good for us. Lennon hot and cold, but I rate him highly, kabs and sandro, rocks, but injured too much at the mo. Defoe, good he's gone, naughton, good prospect at rb. Walker, needs to move up the pitch. Etc, etc. There has been in my opinion, little help from these boys towards the new boys as I suspect there is a fear of losing places in the team. However, few of their places are threatened. Maybe they are the ones who need to pull their socks up.... Just before kick off, not after as otherwise teams like city score after 13 seconds against us!
Dublin Hotspur
MAN ON!....I had a proper little discussion with sukhothai....I just wasn't part of it. ;-)
Cider spurs
Well said Cider. I'm so exasperated it's unbelievable …. it's almost like everyone knows but the people at HQ where the problems stem from! ! Do you think that we could be in the wrong ? nah this is not make believe. I think there's more space between the two CBs ibecause they're covering the wanderings of the FBs? DM - he could just sit there ? Nah not if the manger doesn't believe… we all seem to have forgotten that both Sandro and Capoue have been out for the majority - we've had a novice and snail playing there…. I think if any blame is to apportioned by me it has to be on the faceless folks and the ones that were established already - they should have been stood up and shown others the way - no, not to show how to shave those eyebrows…. We'll see what Thursday brings and then Sunday - it's almost like we'll be playing 2-3 games simultaneously to keep the dream alive… (and I still can't figure how to make paragraphs on this thing!!!)
Highgatespur
I'm sorry Topho, sometimes you hit the a nerve on me and I react before I think. No offense intended by me.

ENIC OUT
yiddyboy
Highgate....Evening mate. Yes mate agree, space because of covering FBs, i may even be able to witness this more actually watching on television. Often the only 2 in the shot ( and the shot incorporates a fair amount of the pitch) are the CBs, no Rose or Walker. Looks quite scary at times. Again, as stated, the players who have been at the club a while should be setting an example on the pitch.
Cider spurs
Apologies Highgate. Paragraphs you say. The only thing to remember in the follwing is that there should be NO gaps in the sequence where you wish the Paragraph to appear. So simply after your fullstop, write this twice
and then still without a space, start your new Paragraph as intended. Most probably the easiest way is to say a fullstop will be pre the
and a Capital letter straight after. just remember you have to do the
thing twice, and no gaps.
Cider spurs
Highatespur ... Paragraphs < p > without the spaces.

< br > < br > for line breaks

Hope that helps.

You in Highgate? Schooled in Finchley years ago myself

ro6ertj
You must've Bentaleb retreat to his halfway line again ?!! We have to laugh otherwise … so they say… Hoddle anyone ?
Highgatespur
The overall problem is management selling Bale without a plan.. We can all see the result.. Who ever faulit it was the buck sits with Levy and Lewis, the should have insisted on a plan.. .There is no desire or effort from all the new signings as their eyes are on the world cup winners medal, so they will not risk any form of injury....I think that we should drop them all and put in the under 21s as they will try..With the current bunce of wasters we will not stand a chance aganist Chelsea, liverpool and Arsenal to score at least four.Lloris, Vert, Paul, Walker, and possibly Erik will all leave in the summer. I don't expect anybody to pay for what we paid for lam and Sold so these will stay.. Next year I think we could be in a relegation battle... I think the fans should stay away until the is some clear communications from the board on what there are going to do...as Sunday was a total disgrace...
coys1961
I find some of the posts on this a bit perplexing! Some say we bought too many players, some say it does not matter, quality speaks,etc, some say you need prem experience. The truth is that it really does not matter if you started with 11 new players. Actually, it would probably be an advantage because they would not have any lazy habits in their system. The biggest factor is the manager/coach. Wenger gets any player he signs to fit into the arsenal system. One out, another comes in. Same with Mourinho, players react to the coach. Paulinho looks like he is just biding his time waiting for a big move. I can put money that he has a great world cup. The last manager we had with an iron will and winning mentality was george graham, and we won a cup and ginola played the best football of his life and got double footballer of the year. No player is going to respect Sherwood. If you disobeyed fergie, you were out. Look at Mata, Mourinho decided he didnt fit. Barca sold the best player in the world at the time, Ronaldinho and brought Messi into the side. This is all due to having a coach who get his players to understand and believe in what they do. We have not had that. Ramos tried, and he won us a trophy. But the players decided they wanted to eat mars bars instead. There is no guarantee that any manager will get it right. Moyes at everton is another example. No world stars but they play to their strengths and are a top 7 team almost every season. Van Gaal would be a great choice, simply because if he can't get the players to play, then we might as well sell up and go home. You see coaches like De Boer who do superbly at Ajax, Laudrup is another example. Once they come here they have to encounter the lazy, unprofessional, we know better attitude of players here. Something, you find much less of on the continent. I am sure Verts is scratching his head thinking, what the hell am I doing here? I hope he stays, but I can see after a good world cup, Lloris, Verts, Paulinho all going for big money. We will make big money for them, but what is the real cost to us as a club?? Apologies for the mish mash, but my train of thought got carried away and trying to say too many things at once.
vicspur
Dublin Hotspur Maybe you hit the nail on the head & there has simply been no togetherness,everyone at Spurs just after their own agenda.
Next manager has to have everybody playing their part & everybody in the squad,feeling a part of the team.
One minute Spurs players are number one,next they`re alienated.Harry did this,Ramos did this,Jol did this,Avb did this,& now Sherwood is doing this.
Players get complacent when they`re undroppable,players stop giving 100% when they`re left on the outside looking in.
Bent,Krancjar,Pav,Soldado,Eriksen,Robinson,Defoe,Bentley Pienaar,Gomes,BAE,Holtby etc were all players rightly or wrongly left out in the complete cold in their Spurs careers,sometimes right but IMO poor management.To have your favourites & your scapegoats,but all on top dollar is not good.Even Bale was this & nearly loaned out,& Harry turned down Suarez.Harry Redknapp probably the worst for this.Spurs have done this for years,yet won nothing.

Ferguson even had uses for Wes brown,Phil neville,john o`shea etc who look poor under a different manager.Never made them feel special,but always made them feel part of the set up,not outcasting like we do.
Fanny adams
Highgate, stick with me, half the post disappeared because they were line breaks. Right, At the end of a sentence, put a fullstop. Without any spaces at all in this sequence, hold your shift button and comma button together once ( a left facing wedge should appear) then type the letters br then put a right facing wedge with shift and fullstop button together. Repeat the wedges and letters again without any gaps, and then after the final right facing wedge, without a space type as normal. The new paragraph will start after the funny business, so i suggest a Capital letter straight after the last wedge. Sorry to make it sound confusing, and i hope you understand it, but if i type it out for you to see, it'll just paragraph and the wedges and letters disappear.
Cider spurs
ro6ertj you are a star!!!!

You get my nomination to stand on the touchline trying to look serious!!

I'm in Highgate …. for nearly 40 years - E Finchley before used to go to Ravenscroft for a while - you used to go to the school near Tally Ho ?

It's still the land of the squatters …

Where are you off to then ?

I was so hoping for a grand year this year - never a clearer example of how not to pull the trigger too soon …

Thanks again hope it works...

Highgatespur
On paper out squad could put out a team better than olymiacos or utd! Feck it, let's go qualify for CL after all. Need LVG announced as manager for after WC quickly and TS announced as interim manager for that to happen. And let's win the EL while were at it. Man on/ highgate. Glad you are going Thursday, and any others too, win is needed, Turin is needed. If we get there we can all meet up for peronis and pizza!!! Hurrah!
Dublin Hotspur
Cider
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Fanny adams
Highgatespur do 3 < br >you get


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Fanny adams
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Fanny adams
Testing, Testes, 123.< br >Testing...COYS!
MAN ON!
Robertj and Highgate - I was schooled in Finchley myself many years ago. Glad to have some local blood on Vital!
SpuriousLife
In my humble opinion, Top Four is already gone. Whether we are going to Turin or not remains not the strategical piece of business for Spurs come june. If I were wearing Levy´s shoes I would be trying to attract a real "star manager" to keep players like Lloris, Verts, Sandro, Eriksen at the club for a real go nest season. I would not sell Lamela and Soldado. They were misfiring but this season has been a strange one and the sooner we put it back us, the better.
AlexSpur
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MAN ON!
MAN ON! put the < & br & > together.no gaps
Fanny adams
NO! I'm the dunce of the class.< p >man on!
MAN ON!
FANNY
ADAMS!
MAN ON!
HEY. Cheers.....
MAN ON!
MAN ON! ha ha there you go,do more < br > for extra gaps like....














MAN ON!
Fanny adams
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COYS!
MAN ON!
Ah . 263, the bus from Barnet to archway, memories!
Dublin Hotspur
Ro6ert, me too. BD! Where did you go to school . I think a few lurked around finchley back In the day! Whetstone boy myself!
Dublin Hotspur
Thanks Cider… the whole thing got me so frustrated!!

As the saying goes no buses come in 3o minutes then a couple of them together!

I am glad people are finally saying about the bullying culture - I've saying it for years with the dumbfounded looks looking back at me.

There is a long list of players who dare not speak just in case… Boateng? GDS? list can go and on if we put our minds together…

Anyway many thanks ro6ertj and Cider for your help. Who would believe we've become a proper network!!!

COYMS!!!!
Highgatespur
EC1 Rules.....OK
MAN ON!
WOW - the theory of the bus is living proof!

The 263 route still runs - such a long time … I remember the 102 from East Finchley to Edmonton to walk up the High Road … used leave at 12.30 for a kick off game!!!These days only 20 minutes from Highgate!!<
>we can make it into the top4 and Turin in May BELIEVE!!!!<
>Thanks you yiddos!!! COYS!!!
Highgatespur
One thing that has happened is not many of the squad now are what I call true Spurs players. Lennon, Walker, Dawson, townsend and rose that is it imo Non of these have set the stage alight this season in fact Rose has been awful, Walker mixed bag, Dawson started well gone down hill and Lennon mixed bag. I don't think the new players and those that have only been with us feel like true spurs players other than Sandro. Even worse they are not passionate about the PL either, these foreign players have no attachment to Spurs or the PL thereofre no passion. The difference showed on Townsend face when he was subbed, he was almost in tears knowing he hadn't done well, he loves the club and wants to do well, most of the new players wouldn't feel that way, they are not passionate enough about the club just their own careers. Bale was passionate about the club, he had been here some time, even though his dream was to play for RM but when he went on the pitch he wanted it, he loved the admiration of the fans and Dawson is the same although he hasn't the talent to match his desire and love for the club. There is no bond with the club, manager or fans imo other than an odd few and those few are not got the quality of the others most of the time.

You look at Saurez, for all his faults he loves playing football and he loves trhe Anfield crowd, there is a connection even though he wants to play for a club in the CL, our players want the same but there is not that connection with the club or fans. The heart has been ripped out of the club with so many changes and sales. I don't see a team playing for the shirt any more, well not many and I don't see many playing for the fans or even as a team, the core of Spurs has been lost. The only way back imo is consistency in players and manager and coaching staff to get the heart beat of the club going again. Maybe it is going to take some youngsters to do that, those who have been around and love the club, the likes of Carroll and Kane and so forth, I don't know, but now days players want CL and they don't care how they get it, so when things start to go wrong you will find who is committed and passionate about the shirt they wear, and who isn't. It's heart breaking to see, but I love Lennon and Dawson because of their passion for the club, but both are coming to the end of their time at spurs, I cannot say there is anyone else that I look forward to seeing because I don't see that passion, may be Townsend will cone good, Rose although a Spurs player has never convinced me and I don't see the passion in him either and Walker is becoming a true spurs player wanting to do well for the club, committing himself to the cause.

I personally want some passion, commitment and some stability, the rest is academic to me.
WorldPeace
Great article, great question. Here's the good, to me: GOOD: Eriksen the most potential to be our Modric, needs time, why Tim has left him out is baffling. Chadli starting to show confidence and will push Townsend to up his game to own the left side of a front 3, or mid 3. Chiriches, kind of thrown in and despite his lack of top league experience and a few errors, generally showed promise as a tough aggressive CB. MEDIOCRE: Paulinho, reminds me a bit of VDV, gets involved sometimes but disappears, still has the ability to turn the game around instantly, very dangerous. Soldado: Not sure why he was brought to Spurs, scored 23 of 24 goals at Valencia from inside the box, but neither AVB nor Sherwood has us set up to feed balls in the box! I see Soldado making brave efforts to pick up the ball way out of position and make runs, and that is credit to his positive team attitude, but if Lennon, Walker, Rose, or anyone were playing the attacking wing properly, this wouldn't be the case. Capoue: Brilliant start, what happened? Injury? Who knows but he's shown it, may have been thrown off his game by injury/management change/English food. Lamela; We really have to place the blame on Baldini for this, I understand Levy is *****ed for wasting that 32 mil, is he injured or training with the reserves? Is he at least learning English, and did he know he'd have to when he signed? This guy more than any we have to get going and performing if we hope to recoup any of that money spent.
tengboon
SpuriousLife, Dublin - which school?there are an awful lot of red shirts around these parts - we must have bumped into each other in the days gone by?

Wouldn't that be weird

Almost like a novice getting the Spurs job??!!!

You have to laugh!!!
Highgatespur
My father and family herald from E. Finchley. I know the Northern Line very well. must admit i have no family in that area now, but spent many good times in and around that area. Don't forget Dublin, he know's the manor well also. Never got on with the buses, more a tube man myself. Had to be, at one time the family were far and wide throughout London.
Cider spurs
Sorry for the bold - in error - back to norm!
Highgatespur
WOW - I was in E Finchley near the cinema - Fairlawn Ave!
1-0!!!
Highgatespur
Springcroft Avenue for me, stones throw from Cherry wood, and the tube.
Cider spurs
From the High Road, you were 1st on Right, I was 3rd. Literally 1 Minutes walk.
Cider spurs
What happens to make the type go bold?
MAN ON!
My mistake in looking on a map, turn Right of High Road, you were 1st Right of Fortis, Springcroft was 4th Right, still funny that we both end up chatting nonsense on here. Small World.
Cider spurs
TS reckons the Beast could be fit and ready for Thursday.... We need him.
MAN ON!
How much did we get for that ponce Carrick? Levy In.
tophobunty1882
Phew - I thought the bold was my fault!!

Cider I don't believe it I was there between 1972 and 1978… I used to have some mates on #23 i think!!! WOW!!

Nonsense we talk Spurs players doing the nonsense!

2-0 Manure!!! Who does Smalling remind you of?

We might have to meet up - in Turin ?!
Highgatespur
Young and Cleverely in the CL and we think we have problems?
tophobunty1882
I went to bishop Douglass school, drank in the white lion, the dick Turpin, bald faced stag, and back in the day the green man and the manor cottage. In highgate, the flask and the wrestlers. But mostly in north finchley. About 50/50 gooners/ yids! "Finchley boys we are here wooaah wooaah! Get in. That's amazing lads! Made my day. Go back a couple of times a year! That's all now, bur always make a match or go watch in a pub!! COYS!!!!
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin, I've drank in all those pubs, bar the Flask, way back when.....
MAN ON!
Mystery for the night - why is Ashley Young wearing gloves ?Protection for the falling over from dives ?

Think there will be a fallout after this ? or will they come back?
Highgatespur
Dublin - Bald Faced Stag ? First pub for me … Still go to most of them - the Gatehouse has reopened…. "Finchley Boys…." preludes to a few rucks in the playground against the Barnet boys…. Sham 69 song comes to mind! Good to meet up and sort out Spurs have a "Vital" meet ?!

Good to see someone else under the cosh for a change ... well under Thursday night... COYS!!!
Highgatespur
Smalling Highgate.
tophobunty1882
Ghulamville - it's not David Moyes - it's Davey or Moysie - makes me sick this, this love for him!!!
Highgatespur
It`s gone all London on here
Fanny adams
Topho - he's playing like our RB I thought!
Highgatespur
Man U getting knocked out isn't good for us. It will leave them to concentrate on the PL and can see them being above us end of the season. No doubt Liverpool have benefited from having no European distraction.
ItalianYiddo
FA - I know, it's lifted the gloom somewhat - now it's not only Robbie who misses like that?! LOL
Highgatespur
Thanks Italian Yiddo - here we go !!

COYMS
Highgatespur
If I'm not mistaken, Harry Redknapp lost to Norwich in February before clinching 4th and CL. We still have the best away record in the PL, and our home games under Sherwood are intact notwithstanding Man City, we'll bounce back and Sandro will be a huge plus, as will Kaboul.

Naughton filling in for Walker, what a difference. Not bad defensively but NOTHING going forward, that was a major factor in our loss to Norwich
tengboon
Italianyiddo says

"Man U getting knocked out isn't good for us. It will leave them to concentrate on the PL and can see them being above us end of the season"

Exactly why i want us to finish 6th this season.So at the start of it we can only concentrate on our league position,no excuses next season.
liverpool threw it & doing better off
Fanny adams
A very wise man once told me, there is a time and a place to be bold, but unless you have something worth saying is always better to keep your gob shut.
ItalianYiddo
In it to win it FA! Knowing Spurs - that'd do completely the opposite!

We need a fully qualified experienced man at the helm for starters...
Highgatespur
agree Italian, we need them to pull through this if we want 5th, but as Fanny says 6th is probably better, between us and them who do you want to have the best chance to rebuild next season ? us or them? i guess this is the answer we all want to understand. I know my choice.
tophobunty1882
Fanny, Liverpool have benefited no doubt, at the same time it really depends on the long term outlook. As much as the Europa is a drain on the squad I think that if you are looking to be in the CL it is a good way to gain experience playing against European opposition, if we get past Dnipro we are looking to face the likes of Juventus, Lyon, Ajax, Napoli, Valencia top of my head.
ItalianYiddo
Highgatespur That is true,but Spurs don`t want their rivals knocked out of the European games because it leaves them to concentrate on the league.

We want our rivals in it,we want to be in it,but for different reasons,how ironic.
Manchester United fans want us to go as far as possible without winning it,there`s a reason for that,he harms your league form.
Spurs have lost 5 out of their 7 after a european game this season,coiincedence much
Fanny adams
ItalianYiddo That is true, but why you don`t want manchester United to be knocked out says everything,they`re thinking the same about us.
Fanny adams
topho and Fanny, no, I don't want to finish 6th. I would rather play in the Europa if not CL especially as from next year the winners qualify for CL. I want a plan, I want patience from the fans and the board, I want the team, the manager, the fans and the board to be in it together for the long haul, no short term fix and continual disruption. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
A post i read ....

It's not about making money really , the Europa League pays out a total of summat like 3 million euros to the winner and 2 million in prize money through out the competition (teams make more just playing in the Champions League group phases). It would cost much of that to fly and put your players and staff in hotels, so what's the point...where as with the tour...the costs paid for by the people that putting the games on and the clubs probs paid the same ammount to take part so..finacially it makes sense...and watching the pool play on Thursday against Rekik Vu Schmik in front of 500 people loses it's charm after a while...19 games to reach the final...that's 19 games you could rest your players for...if UEFA had a pre qualfying group for the weaker teams to reduce the number of games it would be worth it.
Fanny adams
Fanny, we have averaged around 27,000 so far in Europa home games, will be full houses if we progress and get the likes of Juventus so there is some appetite for it from the fans, also there must be some TV money and shirt sponsorship on top.
ItalianYiddo
Blimey it's like being on This Is Your Life tonight! Woodside Park for me and school at FCH. Bald Faced Stag still going but the Orange Tree in Totteridge is now a restaurant not a pub. Shame really. It's quicker to walk to WHL from Finchley than trying to drive. The longest it's taken me to get home after a game by car is 3 hours. If we shove 55,000 into WHL and don't improve the roads we'll have to leave on a Thursday to be there in time for a Saturday kick-off.
SpuriousLife
Cider, cherry wood. I drank cider in there by the swings after my o levels. Highgate, I'm up for that meet up. Man on, archway tavern?? You were born up there weren't you? Gate house open again? Never knew it shut. Good to hear they are all still open. Btw. Anyone ever in dublin, you'll get the tour!! COYS!!
Dublin Hotspur
ItalianYiddo But the tournament as a whole? 19 games to get to the final is half an EPL season.You cannot expect players to perform at the highest level playing these amount of games.

Example,,,look at the gap between Norwich`s last game before they played us, & Spurs last game,before we played them you will be shocked.
Fanny adams
Kinda why I'm hoping for EL again next year, so I get to do the home and away V shamrock Rovers again is chance would have us drawn together. They were 2 awesome days. spurs playing 5 miles from my home, in Ireland… just like the old days. Man on.. I think you said, but you did put my Rovers / Spurs scarf back in the Bricklayers in Tottenham??!! LOL
Dublin Hotspur
Sometimes the more you go for,the less you win.
Fanny adams
Agreed, Fanny it's a ridiculous amount of games and the dinosaurs at Eufa should look at qualifying rounds for the lesser teams.
ItalianYiddo
Spurious…. ABeta car service in the station. woodside park is where my parents bought their first house when the y moved over to London from Dublin. no pubs, but guess the torrington or the moss hall would have been good for you. orange tree is where toon Ashley drinks with joe Kinear BTW. FCH? remember the purple virgins?? LOL St Michaels girls school discos were the dogs bo77ox!! LOL
Dublin Hotspur
Strip the qualifying for 5th place, thats incentive enough for 5th, dropping 8 games. 11 matches would be grand, or would you look at single legs rather than home and away?? drawn from a hat… just like that!!!
Dublin Hotspur
7-11. Slurpees. Bishops avenue for trick or treat. The tally ho. The griffin. York arms oakleigh road. Closing your eyes on the tube from arnos grove when you went through arsenal. Enfield town before getting the train to the lane. Memories! Night all
Dublin Hotspur
FA - It's all true what you're saying - I call it a 'deficit model' as it depends on others failing…

the morale after being knocked out is an immense downer - as form has shown the sides can lose with or without the distraction of the cups - manure have been knocked out of the cups pretty early - where is the great form?
I really would like Spurs to win something as well as qualify for CL - perhaps that's too much to ask for such a big squad?

So should the match/season ticket prices reflect that?

Even with the disruption this year we are still in with a chance of CL this late in the year - must say something about the overall quality/potential of the players we have?

Like it or not I'd like to win things through us being good and not others being bad.

I really don't have as much as confidence as you seem to have in Spurs have a good chance of qualifying for CL in 2015/6 from worse starting point than this year!

Potentially we may have to look for half the squad with a new manager in the summer and less games to increase our profile

I really am not sure next year will give us a better chance after failing in every way this year!

I'm also concerned about the negative impact of a possible loss it will on us fans and the club.

I also don't buy in the losses after the Thursdays - hasn't the club got a big squad and an excellent youth system to negate this ? The managers need to use their brains and deploy the squad appropriately? Can't they alter the training routine to fix 'this' problem… it's all in the head as far as I'm concerned.
No I haven't got the evidence it's just a feeling.
We are meant to be a top club for christ sake!!

Is anyone attending the Cardiff game with this belief? If so I suggest StubHub and get your money back - it's a sell-out after all.

If we want to be considered a top club let's behave and prepare like one

On a positive note COYS!!!
Highgatespur
Great pointItalian Yiddo - I'm really hoping a change in the format of the EL - perhaps more regional / 3 knock out rounds before Christmas… But we should be in Europe.
Highgatespur
Dublin,Spurious, Man On thank you all for taking me down the old memory lane,,, brilliant - would be up for a meet folks!

Looking forward to a relaxing day before Thursday.

Good night folks

Highgatespur
Of course things are far from Rosy lads and lasses.

But with everything going on, we are still only a solitary point behind this stage last season. We are still in with a shout of fourth (a long shot, granted), in the driving seat for fifth, and we still have a chance to win a trophy. We are still involved, we are still playing for something.

Things could be, and have been in the not too distant past, a heck of a lot worse than this! COYS!
SpursEagle
longtime ... Yes, I accept your point re pace. I suppose, other than natural leg pace, players need to think faster and move the ball faster ... of course it helps if they understand each other and play well as a team, which we're not really doing at the moment.
Geofspurs
Highgatespur Sherwoods league stats are good,put in the cup games they become average.
So therefore there`s your answer.
Fans want as many games as possible,but for Spurs it is not possible.
Would we have won against Norwich without the game on Thursday? we shall never know.
Spurs fans want to see as many games as possible,but for Spurs,it`s clearly not possible to compete in everything
Fanny adams
Would we have won against Norwich without the game on Thursday? we shall never know.
Fanny adams
yet again we are a laughing stock. spend 100 mil and still cant get top 4, spurs will always let you down when it matters
123spurs
yet again we are a laughing stock. spend 100 mil and still cant get top 4, spurs will always let you down when it matters
123spurs
if TS took over at start od the season im sure we would of been in a better position, 16 goals in so many games was a joke under AVB, and lets not forget we have conceded more less same amout of goals as liverpool, only 6 points off them and there supposed to the inform team, yes they have scored for fun but we were lacking in the final 3rd. if we played swansea at home an won 4-3 it would be called lcuky or last min pen like pool done against fulham. pool are just as poor at us at back, there able to score moreand they put in the effort for 90 minutes not like our bunch,
123spurs
Under AVB goals were a problem, but we were a team, under Sherwood we are a pub team of internationals. Under AVB we bossed most of the games, we were controlling games and creating chances but not putting them away. Under Sherwood we have being outplayed in virtually every match including Norwich, Palace, WBA and Hull, the only game we outplayed the opposition was Newcastle who had lost the previous two games 3-0 and even then Llorris was voted MOTM here. Under AVB we won 10 or so cup games under Sherwood we have lost all 3. But in some fans eyes it was worst under AVB..........
ItalianYiddo
ItalianYiddo I feel the same way. AVB had a plan yet I can't help but feel TS needs help - an assistant with years of experience in the dug out. Someone like Brian Kidd springs to mind. COYS!
James1
Highgatespur... Finchley Grammer now Finchley Catholic High School .

Left there and joined the USMC !!

Spending a year back here then moving to Phoenix, Arizona.

Will miss the UK but as a sad golfer, there are so many courses there....and sunshine !

ro6ertj
Dublin...263...top of Park Road, Mum worked there, but a 134 from Potters Bar first !!!
ro6ertj
134 to archway from Potters bar. Stopped outside north mid golf club, my old course! Enjoy Phoenix! Great place! Used to manage the Phoenix bar at ally pally years ago! When it was class! Lol. And the 34 bus from Barnet to cgreat Cambridge road, and a stroll to the lane. Marvellous!
Dublin Hotspur
highgate why don't you buy the loses after thursday games? why would you not buy facts in front of your eyes? 5 of our seven defeats have come after a thursday game, do you not believe we lost those 5 games?
tophobunty1882
we have lost 5 out of 9 and we have lost 2 out of 18...which of those two is the bigger problem? only a total idiot would ignore such factual evidence, it's not worthy on more than 5 seconds of anyone's life to understand its a problem. Move on, find the solution.
tophobunty1882
Very informative stats topho. And when you consider the size of the squad...even more damning.
jacobslad
We could have and should have bought 3 players with that Bale money. 3 major signings with proven skills and the scare factor. The momentum was lost and we've gone backwards by 5 years. The fear factor was what kept Manure at the top for so long. Teams were beaten before they stepped on the pitch. Nobody fears Spurs - why should they? It's all water under the bridge now and we just have to keep on supporting the lads we have and hope one or three of them fulfil the potential Baldini saw in them. I haven't seen it yet.
SPUDMAN
Spudman we did, at the time, Paulinho was a real coup, erisken was on nearly everyones wish list and we got him for a steal, Soldado was one of the top strikers in Spain, Lamela was a real talent and touted as the next messi. Chadli was being hunted by Lilverpool, Capoue was a seen as a good purchase to shore up the defensive side of the midfield with Sandro injured and Chiriches the best player to come out of Romania since the last one! The fact that few if any have fully lived up to the hype or expectation so far can not now be seen as not re-investing the money into major signings. On paper we had one of the best squads in the league at the start of the season. Under AVB we seemed to purposely ignore the talents available to us and insist they play in a way that stiffled any creative out let. In Sherwood we seem to be looking only for creative flair without doing any of the donkey work (or basics if your perfer) such as tackle, pass to your own team, run at teams, cross the ball, score goal,s don't concede, kick a corner past the first man...
Slurms McKenzie
ItalianYiddo- agree we are worse off under Tim than AVB. the only problem we had when AVB was in charge was him not getting the players he really wanted to implement his ideas, secondly losing pout best player again and three not given enough time. I saw a team, a team and plan even though it was boring, but under Tim I see nothing except more open play that was obvious would be a disaster in time, there is no team, no plan and certainly not going to be any long term success playing this way.
WorldPeace
WP. AVB has exactly the players he wanted to play 2 holders, inverted wingers and the type of midfielders to slow play down and keep possession. It was all happening for him. ................Slurms all the has happened ref Lamela is someone took the i off the end of Messi.
tophobunty1882
no point bossing games and having stats like AVB if u cant score, it was easy for opposition to set up againsust , hense the slow build up and tempo and unwilling to change, no ade and how many has he scored AVB is a joke
123spurs
 

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