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Fixable Mess?

You're the manager, what do you do with our current squad in the summer? In the summer just gone it was looking extremely positive. Seven new players all who appeared to have undoubted ability to make up for the gaping whole left by Gareth Bale. Unfortunately, even though we are still there or thereabouts (just) it hasn't quite worked out how many of us had hoped.

There's been no structure continuity or fluidity. Players have struggled and injuries have been at an all time high. I don't agree that their is a 'best 11' however you should have a structure where certain players play most games and aren't moved. Thus hasn't been the case with us, again injuries are partly to blame but this isn't the sole reason.

Paulinho has been a holding mid as well as a number ten. Pick one. Same with Dembele. Eriksen has either been left, the hole or centre. Pick a position. This is evident throughout the team. There is no identity at Tottenham. For me it looks like we are a newly formed international side that still aren't sure whether a player is a centre half or centre forward!

So, what do you do? A possible clear out an start again, try an get our Tottenham back? That's what I'd do. Even if it means selling 5 of our 7 new acquisitions plus others, even though each one for me is high in quality I think we need to sell to start again. We are overcrowded in too many positions an not enough numbers in others.

Sell two or three like Siggy an Chadli to sign one i.e. Lallana. Get a clean squad of high quality who fight. Or the other option is to build on what we already have with one or two changes, hoping we see a more settled side next year. I don't like this. For me the squad is full of cracks. You wouldn't buy a sofa for a floor that needs fixing would you?

So Spurs fans, you're the gaffer, what do you do? COYS!!!

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Date:Thursday March 13 2014

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of course what we also don't know is what players will actively want to leave this summer. I certainly feel we have to sort the managerial situation out asap, and also get the structure in place for a long term vision. Has Baldini impressed the board in his near 12 mtgs at the club, How will he fit in with Broomfield? Will it be Sherwood, LVG or another who takes charge of the first team? Until we get that in place and ideally look to stick with it, through rough and hopefully smooth, we will always be in a situation of chopping and changing and as a result underachieving
oxfordspur
Problem number 1; we keep starting again, where exactly is it getting us ? Rogers says he took the Liverpool job rather than coming to Spurs because he thought there he would get more time. Can't really argue with the logic or the results. Problem number 2; we are a club that is finely balanced financially, drop a bundle on a fire sale of players and it will hurt us for years. the sixth richest club in the premier league can't afford to throw money down the drain.
jod
First and foremost Sandro 1st name on team sheet with CAPTAIN next to his name , epitomises everything an onfield leader requires . One that won't be putting his hand up to leave in the summer .
sandroman
Jod , personally think Rogers was being diplomatic , didn't want to deal with Levy . That will be the problem if the decision is to replace Sherwood , Levy's all but done his chips in that department .
sandroman
sandroman - Every manager seems to complain about not getting enough time, I see no reason why Rogers would be any different.
jod
Sandro for captin take no *****
stephenspurs1210
Of course it's fixable but how much do we have? we could start by offering andros and rose to saints as part of a deal to bring Shaw and lallana to us....
shedboy2
Jod , seems like he's made the right call so far , would have been interesting if he had come to us , was my personal favourite for the job . On your number one problem , it does feel a bit ( lot ) like groundhog day .
sandroman
Ok I say this trying to think honestly about the players desires and the club. I think we could lose Lloris and Verts this summer and potentially Paulinho. You've got to hope those 3 bring in around 40-50mln if they were to be sold. The speculation over Capoue seems to say he'll go if we get the right offer so that looks like another 10, so there is a little war chest built already. BAE will obviously be sold and you've got to think we lose a couple of others who aren't cutting the mustard (my picks Rose/Dembele/Dawson) and unfortunately I imagine Soldado could well be on his way back to sunnier climbs at a lose to the P&L! So in theory we could be back to having 100 in the bank and although not wanting a clear out it may simply be some of these guys have run their course. I'm not even going to mention Lamela as we simply haven't seen this guy play, new manager and a semi-new start for the club. The World Cup will be a window for many of our players who will have yet again missed out on Champions League football/Lucrative contracts.
fletch77
Shedboy2 , just don't tell saints Topho comes with Andros .
sandroman
Start again. Get an experienced manager in who the players will respect - Van Gaal, de Boer, Hoddle. Put Dawson to paddock in the championship and make Sandro captain. New left back, new CB to replace Michael, Soldado back to Spain and Loic Remy in. Trim one or two - possibly Siggy and Chadli to get a quality number 10 in. The players obviously don't respect and want to play for young/inexperienced managers so a tough,older hard head is the only way to go for mine to keep some of the over inflated egos in check.
LOS Spurs
We need a consistent spine to the team. We need a long term (?) manager. We need to decide who stays and who goes. We need two world class players to compliment the squad and take it to the next level. But for now ... we need to beat Benfica and win the EL (that will fix it for me)!
Geofspurs
We have the players every body said so at the start of the season, we have the best squad we have ever had every body said so at the start of the season, get rid of the players that dont show they want to play for the club and replace job done, if ts is here or not
spurs50yrs
We can only speculate at this point. As Ox says, who WANTS out? Is Kaboul able to continue? Some of these decisions will be made for us. Rodgers has no grounds to say that about Spurs. We've not gone through any more managers than them since Rafa went. They've got different owners with no history to judge upon. The Spurs job is harder. He chose the club that spent £55m on a total waster and a prospect. It's no more than a double-pronged soundbite, aiming one at Levy and pleasing the kop. A good shout, Sandro for captain. If we can keep Lloris, Verts and Kaboul, we're halfway there. Add a leftback, striker, back-up goalie... New signings need to have determination, need to appreciate Tottenham and be mentally strong - all areas we're a little weak. After that it's as and when. If Naughton doesn't want to challenge against Walker, replace. Same all over.I maintain our squad is largely very talented and strong - just need to get them wanting it. Our '2nd team' is the envy of 75% of them Premier League. Friedal, Naughton, Chiriches, Dawson, Fryers, Capoue, Paulinho, Townsend, Lamela, Bentaleb, Soldado. Something wrong if you can't use that lot. May as well give up,
jerkinmahjurgen
Nice one Brooksy, this touches upon something that Highgate & me were talking about yesterday. For me, it's simple, and there's no need whatsoever to change a single thing, unless better players become available and, of course, are willing to come to little THFC, especially a world class, or potentially world class Left Back.

All that's needed to be done, is 1 simple 3 step plan...

Step 1: No disrespect to the guy whatsoever, but Sherwood must be replaced. As Gary Liniker pointed out on Twitter yesterday, once you publicly slag off your players, they simply won't perform for you. So, off goes Timbo, in comes LVG.

Step 2: Change to a 4-3-3, it's the best formation for what we have at our disposal, and it will also mean we will be able to get the best out of the expensively assembled squad we have.

Lloris
Walker, Kaboul, Vertonghen, Fryers
Capoue, Sandro, Paulinho
Lamela, Soldado, Eriksen

That leaves us scope to rotate every other player, without needing to play anyone out of position. It leaves us with a system that players are actually used to, due to them playing it at their former clubs (apart from Walker & Fryers, who we already had, of course). It means Soldado can rotate easily with Adebayor. It means Dembele could rotate with any of Paulinho, Capoue, Eriksen or Lamela. It means Townsend, Chadli and Sigurdsson could rotate with Eriksen, Lamela, Capoue or Paulinho. It means Holtby could rotate with Paulinho or Capoue, and play the deep role that he feels he's better at. I agree with him. It means Sandro could be rotated with Capoue, etc etc etc.. How to make the best use of £107 worth of investment!!

Step 3: Make somebody else captain. I want to say it should be Kaboul, but we are likely to then be left in a 'Ledgeley Situation' whereas our skipper is hardly ever available for selection. So, I'd go with any from Lloris, Vertonghen or Sandro.

There you go, next season already taken care of, and it'll mean that not a penny of that summer investment has been wasted. It'll mean players will be happier because they won't be played out of position, or sat on the bench because the formation means there isn't room for them (which the 4-4-2, or 4-4-1-1 very much means). It'll mean a harmonious squad, being led (actually 'managed' ) by a man who has won everything necessary to DEMAND respect from his players which, in turn, equates to them KNOWING that they have to perform, but will be happy to do so, becauswe they're not being told what to do by someone who hasn't even come close to winning as much as most of them have.

Enjoy next season. COYS
coopsieyid
What happened to Benteke coming in for Ade?
Big Ron
And OX, I'm almost 100% certain that, IF we can get LVG, those who have been vocal about leaving if we don't get CL (we won't), will stay for at least 1 more season, because they'll know full well what he is capable of. Remember, Verts has been the most vocal, but will be more than aware of what LVG is capable of, because he would've been in an Ajax team that was beaten to the league by LVG's tiny little Alkmaar team. I know I'm like a broken record on this one, but getting LVG into our club, really could be the catalyst that we've been waiting for since we broke into the CL 4 years ago. He's a guy who LOVES a challenge. He LOVES the thought of taking a not so big club, and beating the big clubs, and he likes to do it without spending chunks of money. He's openly stated that winning that Dutch league with Alkmaar, is the biggest thing he's achieved in all his years of management. Best of all, he won't take any $hit from ANYONE, and if our delightful British press think they can get into him like they have done with previous managers, they're in for a rude awakening. I almost only want us to get him for his press conferences. They'll be wonderful :-)
coopsieyid
We will find out if publicly slagging off the players will have an effect or not. The way Sherwood was talking in his interview was like he will be the manager next season but that is expected as he wouldn't be saying anything else. Interesting that Sandro said the team had a two hour meeting and that some of the players had to be calmed down. Lets hope there is a positive reaction tonight.
Kong
Levy already knows whether he's likely to keep TS or not. He'll gauge the vibe. If the players aren't putting the effort in and doing as they're asked, the onus is on them. Likewise if TS is showing good credentials, as I think he has - line-up, tactics and first half against Chelsea suggest that he might - then why change? Good managers are the icing on the cake. If we've got players that can't motivate themselves and are judgmental, get shot of them. The manager can't spend all his time convincing players to play. They should be itching to go as a standard. Git rid of any lethargic moodies. Sign some that don't need it on a plate.
jerkinmahjurgen
sandroman - I believe you're correct about Rodgers & Levy. In fact, the man himself said he "had a close shave" and "dodged a bullet" when he turned down Levy's advances..

http://metro.co.uk/2013/12/20/brendan-rodgers-i-snubbed-the-chance-to-become-tottenham-manager-and-im-glad-4238148/
coopsieyid
Who needed calming down, do you think?
jerkinmahjurgen
I could see Dawson having a go and needing calming down, lennon maybe as he tries hard in games, not sure really. Not sure what they would have discussed for two hours, will they now be shouting at each other during the match and fighting, you never know.
Kong
The irony behind Sherwood's rant is he loaned out holtby, the epitome of everything he said he was missing! I'd build my team around Sandro, Holtby and Eriksen in the middle! Lennon and Townsend as back up and bring in two new wide players that frighten the opposition. Lukaku or Benteke are a must buy with Lescott on a free please. Sell paulinho, dembele, siggy, soldado, adebayor, naughton, rose and search high and low for quality replacements
spurticus87
I have also had a titfull of the Dawson love, he is Gareth Bale without the talent! Committed, genuine nice guy, outstanding pro that gives his all, if he was as talented as Bale he would be playing for United, Real Etc. He is not loyal through choice but only by his limited ability! Nice guy, but not the selfless hero that he's being portrayed as
spurticus87
Coopsieyid, i love you and not because you are a spurs fan, you make sense, it is as plain and as simple as that, but why oh why can not a manager see it, for the past 3 yrs i have lived in NZ and i want so much to fly back to the UK and throttle the last 2 managers, Coops please be our manager and im not taking the pizz, coys
spurs50yrs
jerkin - Fair point, but how can layers be expected to be motivated when they KNOW that 1, they're either going to be played out of position? Or 2, they're going to be benched, so that somebody can take their place, even though they'll be out of position. Where's the incentive? Did we have another option to play on the wing on Saturday, so Walker didn't have to? YES. Did we have an alternative option at LB, so that Vertonghen, a player who has openly stated he doesn't like playing there in the PL because the pace is too quick for him out there? YES. Did we have an option to play number 10, instead of playing Lennon there, the same Lennon who really has very little end product? YES. Did we have another option to drop back into defence, rather than drop Sandro back there, despite him being on a yellow card & hardly able to tackle? YES. Did we have an alternative option so that Sigurdsson didn't have to play one the wing, a position he's shown time & time again he really can't play to any great affect? YES.

See my point? Why would any of the players give their all, if they don't even know where they'll be playing in the next match? Do you honestly think any other 'top club' would be playing almost half a team out of position, when they have perfectly fit & able alternatives available for selection? I should coco!!

I think, and I'm sorry Jerkin, that you're very wide of the mark, when you say "if TS is showing good credentials, as I think he has - line-up, tactics and first half against Chelsea suggest that he might ".. If anything, he's shown the exact opposite. And even if the tactics nullified the Chavs in the first half, where was Sherwoods "tactical decisions" when we went behind & had a game to chase? Oh yeah, Paulinho for Sigurdsson, dropping Sandro into defence, despite having Walker on the wing who could've simply been dropped to RB, Naughton to LB, and Vertonghen in the middle. Keeping Lennon at 10 for 90 minutes, despite having the likes of Soldado (who spent the week saying he feels confident again), Chadli, Townsend, all on the bench.Why not Townsend or Chadli for Sigurdsson? Why not Chadli or Soldado for Lennon? Why not Pauliinho for Bentaleb (who had a shocker, in my opinion) etc etc etc.

Nothing personal against you jerkin, I hope you already know that? I just don't feel Sherwood has even come close to showing he has shown good credentials in his line-ups, or his tactics (or lack of them).
coopsieyid
spurticus - Lescott AND Micah Richards have both been told they can leave in the summer. I'll take both of them without even thinking about it.
coopsieyid
Oh and you're bang on point, re Holtby being exactly what Sherwood saying he wants. Stupid loan!!
coopsieyid
spurs50yrs - I'm assuming you are referring to me pointing out that Rodgers dodged a bullet? ;-)

I knwo what you were getting at, mate, and I agree (in my opinion) it really is that simple. As I asked yesterday, WHY look to make wholesale changes, and almost 'write off' the £107million investment we made last summer, when all we need to do is change the formation?

As my dad always used to say, "football is a simple game that is run by idiots".. He was a wise bugger my old man ;-)
coopsieyid
Coops, if i was a manager in todays game i would jump at the chance with the squad we have, a bit of tinkering and a few more buys and we have what we all ready knew a team to challenge the top 4, a manager with some balls and a bit of knowledge, coys
spurs50yrs
No offense taken, Coopsie. S'all just pov. It's a tough call from the outside, whether to blame our manager, who's hindrance is clearly his lack of experience or managerial history, or our players, who are clearly a lot better than they are showing. It's certainly the managers job to get the best from the players, but at an average of £60,000 pew week, they are obliged to follow instructions, surely? And SOME of the motivation and desire has GOT to come from within. Lennon was on the left for chunks of that game as well. On the touchline with his arms out like he was guiding a plane in. They swapped - it was just tactical. Look at how Chelsea play? They'd've probably sneaked it 1 or 2 nil anyway, but if Sandro's strike had gone in... Two rabbits out the bag in Walker and Sigg, the latter not my first choice but he tries, follows instructions, is behind the boss. It's why we see Bentaleb. Players that are focused and want to play for Spurs. LVG worries me with his abrupt rudeness, but he's probably my choice if TS gets replaced. But with regards to sorting our squad out, the one's that aren't trying for Tim... I can't see them taking on LVG's approach. They'll still be too up themselves. Whoever's in charge, 3 or 4 of the biggest spanners will be getting touted out. Don't need it, whoever's in charge.
jerkinmahjurgen
Amen to that, spurs50yrs. We really are close, we just need the right captain to steer the ship.
coopsieyid
Fair play, Jerkin. I feel we'll be best served by agreeing to disagree, this time. Otherwise we'll just spend the whole day hijacking the thread, trying to prove who's got the biggest cock. You'd lose, because mine is swollen and 50% bigger than usual, because I trod on the end of it earlier ;-) lol
coopsieyid
I'm just relieved it wasn't me who trod on the end of it.
jerkinmahjurgen
HaHaHa, thats a good laugh to end the day, goodnight all and pleasant dreams about our spurs, cheers
spurs50yrs
I'd also take Richards in a heart beat coops
spurticus87
Bentaleb in the 8 figure bracket according to some. http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/12/manchester-united-eye-summer-transfer-for-tottenham-ace-nabil-bentaleb-4543831/
jerkinmahjurgen
He's a good player, Spurticus but there's no room for him in our treatment room.
jerkinmahjurgen
Glad I'm not the only mental case on here, spurticus, lol. Injuries aside (I know that can't be ignored, but he's been fit for a while now) he's a better RB than Walker & Naughton, and he's a better CB than Dawson (sorry Daws). And add Lescott, who is also a better CB than Dawson, and a better LB than any we have on our books. Add the fact that Lescott will only cost the price of a wage, and Richards only has 1 year left on his contract, our outlay wouldn't need to be anywhere near what it would take to acquire those players if they were on long contracts. As I've said before, the term "no brainer" applies to both players, in my opinion. And I don't mean the same sort of "no brainer" that one would associate with Walker ;-)
coopsieyid
Oh, and good night to spurs50yrs. Rest well, young man :-)
coopsieyid
Is TS lottery payout gonna come to fruition? Payout from being sacked and payout for a % of bentalebs sell on value? Hmmm! I reckon utd can have him if the price is right. TS too. Family package!
Dublin Hotspur
That's the spirit, Dublin lol
coopsieyid
Ive been reading the same ole same ole comments all week!!! TS aint going anywhere until the end of the season at least, so the constant moaning from the 'True Spurs supporters' is jut pointless. Lets hope the 'True Spurs Supporters' getbehid the team for tonights games and support the team just the like real spurs fans do.
Ossie
Right behind them ossie!
Dublin Hotspur
Cracking read here, points out "The Mess" very well, and was titled "When will Sherwood hold our Wingers (Lennon, Townsend, Sigurdsson) Accountable?"

I've found it interesting to see the reaction of a segment of our supporters here to the loss against Chelsea last weekend. People seem to be blaming our recent poor play on issues like "character" and "passion," when, in my opinion, our biggest problem all season has been the inability of our managers to play our best attacking players together.

AVB made a huge mistake freezing out Adebayor, and bizarrely dropped Eriksen for a period of games after the West Ham loss, leaving us devoid of creativity. Sherwood, for his part, loaned out Holtby (who has done well at Fulham) and has benched Soldado, Eriksen (his most egregious mistake by far and one that single-handedly cost us three points in my opinion) and Paulinho at various moments recently in favor of players who have long failed to produce any quality in the final third of the pitch.

The single biggest issue for us is the complete lack of productivity we've gotten from our wingers. You CANNOT play with one striker and have two wing forwards who are completely unable to create clear cut chances or score goals. Yet we have among the least productive (as far as end product goes) wingers in the entire league with Lennon, Townsend, and Sigurdsson. The former two have exactly 2 goals between them and 1 assist. The two goals consisted of a cross that happened to go into the net and a deflection off a defender. The 1 assist was a simple ball Lennon played to an offside Defoe. While Sigurdsson played well against Norwich nearly 6 months ago, he's been one of the poorer attacking players whenever he's gotten a chance since his first half goal against Chelsea (he's been exceptionally mediocre in all of the games Sherwood has started him in).

In total, Lennon, Townsend, and Sigurdsson, who at various times this season have formed 2/3rds of our attacking front, HAVE COMBINED TO PRODUCE ONE SOLITARY ASSIST in OVER 3600+ league minutes! That isn't a typo. Re-read that statistic out loud and let it sink in for a minute. Can anyone find me another trio or even duo of wingers anywhere in the EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Ligue 1 or Serie A that can match that level of futility? Is it any coincidence that two of our worst losses this year (West Ham & Norwich) came in games when 2 out of these 3 players featured in a 4-3-3 formation on the wings (edit--It was actually Cardiff at home where Townsend and Lennon started together, but Townsend was brought on as a substitute before Eriksen against Norwich when we desperately needed a goal late)?

Why, given the overwhelming evidence available to him, does Sherwood continue to start these three unproductive players? I mean, when you mix in Bentaleb with two of the above wingers, you're putting pretty much the entire onus of scoring and creating on Adebayor and Eriksen (that is if Sherwood even picks Eriksen).

If you want to talk boldly about players having to earn their wages, why not target those who have been incredibly unproductive for the entirety of the season? What does it say about Sherwood's judgment if he "trusts" these players over others who have a history of better work product?

Adebayor, Soldado, Paulinho, Eriksen, and Chadli have all scored goals and created clear cut chances for other players during Sherwood's reign, yet these five players have never started a game together. Why?

Character and passion are fine traits, but talent matters. The most talented players in our squad need to play together. That didn't happen under AVB and it hasn't happened under Sherwood, and it is a prime reason why we are in this period of turmoil.
coopsieyid
Ossie - The "true Spurs supporters" ARE behind the team. It's the, seeming, mismanagement of them, that is concerning us. Nice try though!!
coopsieyid
And, once again, you confuse "moaning" with pointing out the wrong in playing players out of position. They're VERY different things altogether.
coopsieyid
I was resisting the temptation of avoiding on commenting on this thread... but have failed... does anyone else think that the attempts to see sell Holtby and Capoue in January had anything to do with Sherwood's attempt to do a "don't like you - off you go!"
Hmm that was a success?
Highgatespur
Thanks Coopsie - no wholesale movement needed - squad is probably the best all round we have had for a long while... need leadership methinks.

I think all this talk is a bit too premature - looks like VS are giving up on the season when we still CAN get to fourth (I didn't say deserved) and win a trophy....now we can't accuse anyone else of giving up when we are doing it ourselves - can we ?
Get behind the team for crying out loud!

COYS!!!!
Highgatespur
All I am hoping for in the summer - a similar display of "To dare is to do' by Keith Burkinshaw, the last time the WC was held in South America.
Ossie and Villa were signed - a new manager announced with two golden nuggets(and I don't mean between his legs) signed on tow in July 2014!

Dontcha wish ?!!!
Highgatespur
Yeah let's win EVERY fecking thing :-) COYS..

coopsieyid
That's the spirit !!! Coops - is that a moan?!! LOL!!!!
Highgatespur
I only moan when the missus says "Do you think I need some new clothes?". What's the fecking point in asking? EVERY man in a relationship KNOWS that, "do you think I need some new clothes", is woman code, for "guess who's going shopping, and it ain't you"!.

Another one is, "I'm popping to the shop, do you want some cans picking up"... Yeah, those cans are to make me forget how much fecking money you're spending!! Smart feckers those women.
coopsieyid
We'll leave it there shall we ?!!
Highgatespur
Unashamedly reposting from another thread:

Come on lads do it for the boys of 1962!!! For especially GeofSpurs and longtimespur... http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-v-benfica-european-cup-3237587? Enjoy!!!!
Highgatespur
Very good points coopsie an perhaps the way it feels like a mess to me is because of changing systems etc an not so much the fact we bought very capable footballers. I do disagree wit you to a certain extent on Sherwood who I admire BUT you're bang correct that LVG will be the biggest an best thing to happen to this club so why not take advantage of it. I can see it now, the Mail tries to undermine him an in the middle of the press conference drops his pants an gets out his bolllocks. They'll know better than to question him next time...
BrooksySpurs
Brooksy - Literal LOL moment. Best of all, who can't imagine him doing exactly that? lol
coopsieyid
Puts more meaning to the phrase "He's got balls"???
Highgatespur
Righttt - off to the game now through the mazof Seven Sisters Road.... COME ON YOU SPURS!!!!!
Highgatespur
I wouldn't wanna be on the end of it put it that way...
BrooksySpurs
No is the answer...
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