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Overtaking Arsenal - Chance(s) Gone?

Earlier this season, I was seeing Arsenal at the top of the league and I was wondering "have we missed our chance to overtake them?" Ok so recently they`ve taken a few beatings but so have we. I started looking back on recent history and looked at the chances we`ve had to overtake them...

2006/7 we didn`t have the best squad (Zokora, Jenas, Young-Pyo Lee) but had quality in King, Berbatov, Keane. Arsenal still had the likes of Van Persie, Henry, Fabregas and Adebeyor. We came 5th and them 4th - this was the closest we had pushed / worried them for years. With a few quality additions, we were expected to push them even further in 2007/8. We know what happened with Ramos and finished 11th where the Gooners finished 3rd. It seemed we`d missed our chance to overtake them…

In 2009/10 we experienced our resurgence under 'Aary and finished 4th, just behind Arsenal in 3rd - so close again. With a UCL place secured, hopes of spending big in the summer were fruitless. Sandro was our only planned expenditure, and we snapped up VDV out of opportunity rather than strategy. Adding an aging and free Gallas and a squad player in Pienaar, it wasn`t exactly the type of strengthening we were imagining - albeit the squad had more depth and experience. We came 5th, and Arsenal in 4th. It seemed we`d missed our chance to overtake them again…

2011/12 was harsh on Spurs; Chelsea fluked the UCL final and yet again we finished one place behind Arsenal, but this season we had a glorious opportunity in the January window to consolidate our 3rd place (Nelson and Saha). It seemed we`d missed our chance to overtake them yet again - for the 3rd time!

From Arry > AVB > Sherwood, we are now in the present and I can`t help but think have we missed our chance to leapfrog them. It looks like this year is panning out similar - we`re currently 6th and they`re 4th. Now I dislike Arsenal as much as any Spurs fan but you can`t help but respect the midfield they have; Arteta, Cazorla, Wilshire, Ozil etc. They`re only a striker (+plus Walcott) and keeper away from being able to sustain a title challenge next year whereas we appear to be lacking an identify, there are 'Levy frustrations', the squad seems unbalanced with constant departure rumours coupled with average / indifferent performances.

After Sunday's fantastic comeback, maybe Tim will be given the chance to shape the team. Perhaps LVG will come in and with his impressive CV be able to get the best out of the likes of Lamela, Paulinho, Soldado, Eriksen, Dembele, Townsend etc…

So my question is - do you think we`ve missed our last chance for the foreseeable future to overtake them?

Written by mattspurs1982




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Date:Thursday March 27 2014

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problem is that the gap isn't huge, but we keep doing our best to shoot ourselves in the foot with a constant chopping and changing of not only managers, but team philosophy. It will of course be interesting to see what happens to Arsenal once M. Wenger steps down. will it ne much like United with Moyes?
oxfordspur
Ww won't know until we've won the remainder of our games. Keep the faith. COYS!
James1
Arsenal still have to play City (this weekend) and Everton of the 'top' teams. We've only got Liverpool of the 'top' boys to go. IF the remaining results go to form then it could be close by 11th May. However, I always temper my enthusiasm with our own ability to beat teams like Liverpool only to lose to the likes of Norwich, Sunderland or West Brom. We could still catch them but I doubt they'll drop enough points at a rate where at the same time we can pick up enough points to catch and pass them.
SpuriousLife
With an easy trip to Anfield next on the agenda! Delusional Spurs fans. Got to love the glass half full attitude.
marcspur
It's going to be tough SpuriousLife but realistically we've got to be looking at 6th place. Everton seem to have gone up another gear. Would be ironic if Arsenal can't pick themselves and either Everton or Spurs overhaul them. COYS!
James1
James1 - I think Everton have still got to play Arsenal and the two Manchesters so they've got tough games to win.
SpuriousLife
Finishing 6th would be a good reflection on how disappointing we have been this season!
marcspur
Yes we have missed our chance, not just this season but for several to come. Even if AW steps down, you sense that there is a resilience in the set-up there that will survive him. They have broken the back of their stadium investment period and are able to attract and pay proven players. We on the other hand will look back and weep at the golden opportunity missed. For the first time in a long while we have no superstar to build around; some good players yes but nobody of Bale, Modric, VDV or Berbatov class. Much as I love Adebayor, you wouldn't put your house on him staying focussed. Retaining the likes of Sandro, Lloris and Eriksen will give us half a chance of competing for a CL place again but not next year I fear.
Love totty
Sorry SpuriousLife I didn't check their fixtures. I agree with you. Everton look to have the harder fixtures but I still fancy them getting a result against Utd and possibly Arsenal on current form. It will go to the wire I reckon. COYS!
James1
Arsenal are there for the taking more than any ime in the last few years. Unfortunately, we are nowhere near good enough to take advantage this season. Will we get another chance? I doubt it. Man U will come back stronger next season, Liverpool will invest and improve, Chelsea And Man City are way ahead and Arsenal will finally spend big because they know that if they don't, then Chelsae, City, Utd & Liverpool will all finish above them next year. We only have urselves to blame though. As Mattspurs correctly says. we have had somany chances and have managed to blow it each time.
jonathan01
Good article but I can't help noticing the one slip that seems to permeate at Spurs...including Townsend in the list of names to get the best out of....it wasn't a coincidence we couldn't score with him a constant in the side. Despite numerous loans nobody has been able to 'get the best' out of him, he's an adrenaline player, unfortunately he's not the level we need if we want top4 so although disappointing to see an academy player fail to make the grade it's time to move on...ditto Rose (LB has been a huge problem for us)....Bentaleb would be better served by a loan as we have done with Livermore....in all honesty is bentaleb better than Livermore? It would be great if we could develop our own players but if it were easy all clubs would do it...if we want to over take Arse...get in a decent manager, give him a transfer budget and stop trying to force our academy players into the team....only play them if they are good enough! They are becoming an Achilles heal...along of course with Levy....
shedboy2
That said...Liverpool should be a competitive game with a win for us not out of the question...after that our remaining games are all winnable....it would be nice for lady luck to be on our side for once!....
shedboy2
Firstly, finishing above Arsenal is not my primary concern. I aim to finish as high as possible, and if Arsenal are below, then bonus. If we are 4th, and Arsenal 2nd/3rd, then does it really matter...? I took great pleasure in finishing above Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City in recent seasons....and if we do Man U this season, then great again. People have "Levy concerns", but at the end of the day we got record points last season. How can you do more than your most ever? My only Levy concern was that it was obvious to me that AVB was the wrong choice. Martinez was easily a better choice, and proving it now. If Everton beat Arsenal at Goodison and win game in hand, then they are joint 4th. The quality of our squad (despite imbalance) is what is maintaining our top 5 status rather than the manager. We haven't missed the chance of top as long as we do not get an exodus this season. We need to hang on to Eriksen, Sandro, a happy Vertonghen, Paulinho and balance the team properly in summer. Either give Tim a shot at making it, or bring in an experienced manager - one who has worked in more than one league, and had success in more than one major league. The dip in form this season was mainly due to us replacing too many EPL experienced players with 7 guys who have never played in EPL before. Signings from abroad should COMPLIMENT our experience not replace it.
TonyRich
You must be a pretty optimistic supporter Mattspurs, if its only now you think we've missed our chance, we've had opportunities for years often we've blown it and others its just down to damn bad luck. I mean the year Chelsea won the UCL, you couldnt make it up how they got there hands on that damn trophy, the odd's of everything happening the way it did, i'm at a loss for words. But as for us, we're not going anywhere until we get a stable settled squad, even then Man Utd will become a force again, Arsenal will have a more ambitious manager, Chelsea, City, Liverpool will probably be like us, they wont be able to sustain CL and top 4, simply because they wont have the resources, Gerrard will need replacing. For me the Norwich game showed EXACTLY the type of 'not really that fussed' attitude our team has towards the supporters ambitions to compete in the UCL. If we can beat Liverpool,at Anfield, with the way there playing, then the final run of games will be a lot more interesting, but we've dropped to many points from teams below us, and not taken no where near enough from the teams above us. Its been a very frustrating year so far.
coys1717
Ox/Tony ... Good posts! Not sure how you define ‘foreseeable future’? I don’t see why we can’t jump over Arsenal in my foreseeable future (3 years). After 3 months I thought Arsenal were odds on for the title. But, it’s football. Things change quickly. We have a good squad. We just need to determine who stays, and bring in 2 (or 3 at the most) top players. Arsenal have some tough games and so do Everton. It’s really up to us. Between now and the end of the season we will see if we have what it takes. I think we do ... but what do I know?!
Geofspurs
Like the positive vibe Geof! COYS!
James1
We keep changing managers, they keep the same one, they keep finishing above us.
jod
Yes next season we will be above Arsenal - we have a better squad of players if we can keep the best of them. BUT we cannot go into a new season with an untried manager who has only a season contract. How can TS attract players if he is still considered a temporary manager. Lousis Van Gall will not commit now and at 63 years may not be a long term option. (been there doe it) Mauracio Pochettino seems to have the same characteristics as Brendan Rodgers:- is doing well at a small club, same age, same football philosophy, speaks Spanish, French, now knows the Premier League and may persuade some Southampton players to move with him. Anyhow a manager with a longer time frame than TS is required!
camper
This season, without a settled team/squad, 7 foreign signings and a manager change, midway through the season, I think we've done very well. It was always going to be transitional and I'm very optimistic for next season. As for this season, I think we've got every chance of overtaking the Woolwich. Up the Spurs!
MAN ON!
We have a strong squad to compete consistently for a top 4 finish, like other have mentioned we need a strong manager to take us the next step before we do lose any ground which will be hard to make up. There is no excuses for a bad display on Sunday, yes Liverpool are on form but last night Sunderland had them going near the end and could have easily drew the match, if they can cause problems then I expect us to make a game of it and keep our season going.
Kong
I don't see any reason why we can't finish as high as anyone in the league in the 'near future'. Whether we like it or not we do seem to have a stable structure within the club - imo all we need to do reallocate some of the responsibilities - mainly one - to move Levy away from all the footballing decisions - especially the hiring and firing of the coaches/managers.

One of the worst things we have in our midst is our inclination to shoot ourselves in the foot.
We ought to have finished 3rd in the season Chelski won the CL and we blew 4th with a similar run the following year as well as the 'lasagne' year.
No matter what we always seem to point the gun at ourselves. Don't know who or what - there's always someone at the club who seem to be lose the bottle at 'that' vital moment. The exception was the 2010 season.

IMO don't care where the other lot finish up - we need to finish in the honours stake... used to care not any more. Think we need to get over this 'sibling' rivalry otherwise this will take hold of us in a nemesis way.
Highgatespur
7 games 21 points at stake, that has to be our target, making 77 for the season. You make your own luck in this game. We have to get in front of Everton first, the race for 7th is on. I can't see it some how, but then you never know, sending this perched on a garden fence.
spu 4 life
New owners urgently required if you truly want to see Tottenham seriously compete with Arsenal on the pitch and on the stadium front! For 14 ENIC seasons Arsenal have done us, so why would anything change now? Especially when you consider they now have the that huge stadium revenue and have publicly announced they have big money to invest in the squad. Lewis/Levy have failed to even raise the funding for the new stadium let alone build it, and they operate the playing side of the club on a zero net spend transfer budget, so there is little hope of us catching them whilst the multi billionaire Joe Lewis is the THFC owner. My biggest fear (besides Arsenal winning the FA Cup this season) is that one day they will bring in a truly world class coach to replace Wenger. Imagine a coach of the caliber of Pep Guardiola armed with a 100 plus million quid transfer budget at the Arsenal??? Scary thought... ENIC OUT NOW!!!
Pele10
High ... I agree, in that, it’s more a case of us self destructing, not other teams destroying us. That’s our problem and we should own it, fix it, and do our own ‘destroying’!.
Geofspurs
Pele10 - you don't have to keep repeating this crap on everything, regardless of what its about. Just keep saying "see my previous comments". Much shorter.
jod
Pele10, I prefer Wenger to stay at Arsenal as long as possible as like you said if they replace Wenger then that could bring them onto the next level. Would you rather Arsenal finish 5th and win the FA Cup or top 4 and win nothing or don't care as long as we are in the top 4?
Kong
I think the 'nemesis' effect has taken hold of some already, Geofspurs. IMO as long as the lady is waiting to sing - I'll keep hoping... It's football and anything can happen.
Highgatespur
camper - You seem to be saying we shouldn't keep changing managers so lets get rid of another manager.
jod
Kong, for once I'd agree with the Chelski scum and would like AW to stay... I don't care where they finish as long as we are in the honours!
Highgatespur
All this talk of we have the better squad angers me sometimes! how can we say that?? on paper these guys might have performed in the leagues of 'Denmark' 'Holland' etc etc none of them have shown outstanding quality on a regular basis for us !! we've watched the best 5 mins of their career squeezed into a youtube clip prior to them joining us ! we think they are world beaters !! i think we need to wake up and smell the coffee that our squad isn't as good as we think it is ! it isn't solely down to the management how terrible its been to watch spurs this year , when we were spoilt with quality free flowing players and football previous ! TTID
South L/Derry Spurs
kong, totally agree on Wenger! We are safe from them doing a Chelsea as long as he is there! He is a top four, CL club coach, but he does not have the winning mentality anymore to win the Premiership title or the CL. I would love Arsenal to finish 5th behind us and loose to Hull City in the FA Cup final to a last minute "Oh Tommy Tommy" 35 yard screamer... ;-)
Pele10
How many spurs midfield players would get into the arse team ? ask yourself that ?
South L/Derry Spurs
South L/Derry, time and collective sense of direction are great things... the architects of the flowing football that you quite rightly reminisce about, had similar backgrounds.

If you are truly TTID, please keep the glass half full - it will help to make the journey longer.
Highgatespur
One point last year made for an interesting last day of the season! could go that close this year, but it could be between Arse and us for 5th spot!
Dublin Hotspur
Highgate thanks for the advice :) i think this season has gradually wore a hole in the bottom of my usually full glass
South L/Derry Spurs
Very droll, Dublin!!!
Highgatespur
apologies for cut and paste from the Moyes article, but I posted it there by mistake! 3 points on Sunday will go a long way to getting us closer to Arse! If only we beat them! and we should have!

BTW, Sunderland played well against Pool last night! Gus figured out how to stop their progression up the field from the back, by leaving 2 up with them the whole game! they went 3-5-2! I hope Tim was watching! we could stop them and beat them if we can contain them from the back!
Dublin Hotspur
I don't understand all this Arsenal envy. Arsenal have stayed pretty stagnant since Wenger's early successes, whereas Spurs' PL standing has improved over the same period, despite us not being as settled and consistent as the Gooners. With all their revenue from successive CL qualification have they improved over the years? Not really.
MAN ON!
MAN ON have spurs progressed or has the rest of the league got easier to beat ! top 4 aside ? taking Bale out of the equation as he was our unicorn of the time
South L/Derry Spurs
South L/Derry - it wasn't advice just speaking from experience... there were no relegation frights this year!!!

Considering what we have gone through this year - we haven't done that badly - I just don't want a repeat!
Highgatespur
Highgate, I think I would prefer to beat arsenal into 5th this year, just to finish ahead of them would be great! I'll take fourth obviously, but don't think we can get there, and don't think we are stable enough yet for that competition!
Dublin Hotspur
in the last 5 years
South L/Derry Spurs
Dublin ... I don't care how we do it .. but if we get 3 points on Sunday we could well end up forth.
Geofspurs
Pele10, that would be great, you never know :).
Kong
Minus Bale and his goals this season we are still on course for 5th. It may not finish that way, but with all the negative stuff of this season and without him, it could be a lot worse.
MAN ON!
I'd say the league has got tougher....
MAN ON!
MMmmmmmMM!...Now let me see. That's it, I got it. I reckon we could finish anywhere between 1st and 20th every season we are in the Prem. No need for thanks!.
Cider spurs
Cider, I think we should we put our houses on that - don't ask me what the odds would be ?! Perhaps Dublin can help!!!
Highgatespur
We are where we are until we get a big backer or more revenue to compete for the best players. The top clubs are ALL in massive debt unless they have a sugar daddy. ManUre, Arsenal, Liverpool, Juve, Barca, Real Madrid, Valencia all appear in the most debt top 10. Seems a huge injustice that you can run a club like this as most businesses would be shut down with these numbers. FFP is a joke. The only reason Chelski and Man City are not in there too is that their debts are wiped out by Arabs and Russians. We do not run like that so there will always be an imbalance to where we are. We have come close but doubt we will break the stranglehold of these big payers. It could be Arsenal too drop out of the top four on this logic after this season.
CoysRus
Jod, I agree with Camper! we need stability and a long term view regarding our next manager! I don't think Tim will attract new players or keep current players with his 1 year left on his contract! He is not the long term view in my opinion, and we need to get that sorted ASAP, and start afresh in August oozing class on the pitch, bench and technical area!
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin, replied to you on the other thread !!
Highgatespur
Cider ... You're a bloody genius, Mate! lol
Geofspurs
Dublin, I feel some comments are about to fly their air after the last post.... get the tin hats on!!!
Highgatespur
Our real opportunity was when we had chances to get Goons out of CL. They needed that money, had it in their plans and they got it. They would have suffered if not, but now they are cash rich and even a season out would not stop them strengthening. Two weeks ago they were awful (& subsequently got thrashed by Chelski & drew with Swans) & yet they beat us - so a gap still sadly. DUBLIN - agree completely, no tin hat needed.
Windlespur
Short term I think we have blown it, by that I mean we won’t catch them this season. Long term is a complete mystery. Far too many factors to take into consideration. Who will be our manager next season? Which plays will leave? Which players will come in? Which players will step up and perform? Then you have to ask similar questions of Arsenal. If both start next season pretty much as we are now then it’s going to be another close one as us and Arsenal have very similar faults. We have IMO missed the biggest opportunity and that was this season, when we should have played a lot better with the players we had. It’s just a shame that 5 out of the 7 haven’t lived up to the billing and one (arguably the most exciting) hasn’t even played

Once again we ask that the club make a decision on which way they want to go. We have an un-balanced squad at the moment but surely we can’t risk going out and buying another 7 players?? Centre Back, Left Back and a striker is all we need. But no doubt we will see another winger, a central midfielder etc. I just really hope whoever comes in (or TS) knows what the squad needs before we start the season. The painful thing is if we had beaten arsenal the other week like we should have we would be 1 point behind but yet again our finishing let us down. Im starting to think that the free scoring THFC is gone forever at this rate. It’s been a long time since the season of 9-1, 6-1, 4-0 etc
hudderspur
Highgate! odds would be 1/21! no one would take it though!
Dublin Hotspur
I'm with MAN ON! with this one. Said many times before, all things considered we have not faired too badly this season. Numerous injuries, Ade/AVB debacle, Tim's inexperience. Still in with a squeak of 4th spot, the disappointment for me only comes from what might have been, but not ignoring all that we have had to endure.

Right a few of these wrongs and we could well overtake Arsenal next season. Retaining key players and adding the exact type of talent we are missing in key areas is a must. Add to this a proven manager as opposed to a rookie, we should be good to go. Problem being, was this not how this season was meant to pan out?, I recall a few pundits calling us dark horses for the title. Quality LB, Konoplyanka LW, Lamela up to speed, Beast of a CB, CF, back up GK. Not too much, but required. Get half of the width, namely the Left side looking like it is a threat as opposed to a weakness, this has gone on far too long. As for the LB, Ricardo Rodriguez is the boy. 21, cheaper option than Shaw, damn fine player, way ahead of any LBs we currently have, Him and Konoplyanka on the Left would be one of the scariest Left sides in the Prem IMO. All for circa £30 million combined. Sell Dembele and Livermore we should be on our way topaying a fair whack of this.
Cider spurs
One likes to believe in the freedom of football, glittering prizes and endless compromises, shatters the illusion of integrity !
South L/Derry Spurs
Cider, good posting - can't disagree with you. Would you be content/happy if we finished 5th and them lot 6th ?
Highgatespur
anyone feeling the 'Rush' ?
South L/Derry Spurs
It is definitely the left side that's let us down this season, defensively. But, it's a lack of goals, from wherever, that has been our main downfall. I honestly Believe that Soldado has what it takes to be a star for us next season. He has taken the season to find his feet and, this is not unusual in the PL. He may be a relatively old dog but he seems to be learning new tricks and looks to have worked hard on adapting his style of play. Who knows?
MAN ON!
Cider ... Yep, that's about it.
Geofspurs
Dublin Hotspur - Players play for money, haven't Man City shown you that ? Why do people still pretend players will take less money because they like the manager ? If you need stability why do you want to sack the manager ? You sound like an addict who'll give up the drugs after one more fix.
jod
Cider / MAN-ON: I don’t think anyone is really disagreeing that consideration all the chaos that’s happened this year we haven’t done all that badly. The question is….why has the season (which many felt looked so promising) gone to complete $hi7?

Just skipping though some of your points, Manager was sacked…Ok that was a decision that pretty much split the fans. Points wise AVB wasn’t doing that badly although the football was painful to watch so Levy did have a very real option of letting AVB continue so it was an “avoidable Error” Injuries…..I have never seen a football club suffer so many injuries, which means either A) We upset someone we shouldn’t have and are cursed forever!! B) Our medicals are too sketchy and we don’t pick up on long term issues that could affect the players c) Something is not right in training, could be putting additional stresses on the body by some of the things we do. D) most likely scenario that our rehabilitation of players and treating initial injures is not up to scratch. In any of the above scenarios (with exception to A this is again the fault of the club and an “Avoidable Error”

Players underperforming or Not good enough…….We signed 7 new players, who the hell singed them?? To fit into what system exactly?? Who picked these duds?? Its ok for us to get it wrong because we aren’t paid to know these thongs. It’s Another “Avoidable Error” Seven new players to fit in………but they knew this before the start of the season! Why buy 7 if you cant fit 7 into your squad without chaos?? The plan should have been to use this season to gel the squad but no, Levy (and fans) got impatient and the whole project was completely dismantled. “Avoidable Error

And lastly the appointment of the inexperienced manager……this decision was a knock on effect from the previous FOUR mistakes mentioned above. The mistakes which lay at the feet of the chairman who oversees everything. DL had absolutely no plan for when he sacked AVB and just threw TS in a the deep end. A very very “Avoidable Error”.
hudderspur
i dont know why anybody expects more than 6th. We are the 6th richest club and will probably finish 6th. Exactly where the premier league want us to be. Thats football folks. Dont like it?? then dont watch it. Its all a fix by the richest clubs, its stopped being a sporting contest, years ago.
jimmy-yid
TAS, LVG, FDB? The return of Harry, when we're at the bottom of the PL after 8 matches in to the new season? Anything can happen in the next half year.
MAN ON!
jimmy-yid.. I like it.
MAN ON!
Think season it's highly unlikely, of course it's possible but with 7 points (8 really due to GD) and only 7 games to do it you would think it's highly unlikely.

Everton have a better chance but they have some very tough games coming up. We have City and Everton and then 5 relatively easy games, note I say relative.

Next season you cant really see it either. Spurs chance to catch Arsenal was in the first 1-6 years of the stadium build. With the repayments now very manageable, the 30m extra from Puma and 30m extra from Emirates (compared to a mere 8m combined per season up until now) Arsenal suddenly have masses of cash to spend.

There is a strong possibility that Wenger may leave but a new manager coming in would much rather the Arsenal than the Spurs job I think!

I don't buy the whole Spurs have a better squad argument either, both squads are good but our best players are better than your best players.

Until you lot get a stadium build (and live with 5-10 years of initial pain) then it's very unlikely that you will finish above us.

Galway Gooner
Dublin - I think one (or three) man move will make us stable enough for CL - it's still possible!
Highgatespur
Jimmy yid - agree with you - wonder how the hiccup with manure occurred then ? All the refs deserting them ?
Highgatespur
MAN ON ... I agree. The goal difference tells the story. Either our attack needs improving, or the defence does ... or a bit of both. Seems quite simple really. But, however you look at it, we have done pretty well this season considering all the disruptions we have had to contend with.
Geofspurs
Highgate...Yes mate, I'd take some comfort finishing ahead of Arsenal if it happened. Us 5th them 6th, but I cannot base my whole season on finishing above Arsenal. Yes the rivalry will always mean final league standings allow for bragging rights. That said, I'd much rather be a continual Champs League side first and foremost, and hopefully that would go hand in hand towards finishing above them in any case.

hudderspur....Good post, and exactly eluding to the issues endured this season, one has to ask where we would be if these issues were remedied. Plenty of issues which on there own could quite easily de-rail a season. Next season mate, next season. We are Spurs, it has to always be about next season. ;-)
Cider spurs
Geof, without those scenes of calamity have we done that badly? I'm taking about a -22 goal difference in those 5 games!!!
No wholesale changes required but a CB, FBs and a CF - but knowing how my predictions turn out - the club will sign 3 CMF, 2LWs, 2 RWs!!!
Highgatespur
Cider - that sounds good - it'd be different to share the load of being ignored by the Sky toe rags! Still would like to be involved in the EL. But while waiting for the lady - still live in hope!
Highgatespur
Highgate...You know me mate. Full the squad with enough talent, Europa should pose no great problem. Maybe we play too many first team starters, who knows. For me, I want in it, Love seeing my team play as often as possible. All about balance and rotation, something that has been greatly hampered this season as a result of numerous injuries.
Cider spurs
*Fill*
Cider spurs
Jod, Of course I understand players play for money, but they also play for opportunity. Its not a matter of players taking a pay cut to play for us, most of our new signings gained significant pay increases to come to us! my point is that I can't see Tim holding the esteem that AVB did, or LVG would in the eyes of the players. I also can't see them sticking around to play chaotic football for a ticking time-bomb! nor can I see players we can afford to pay, with the class required by us, to join his camp.
he is an interim! even if he is here for next season as well (which I really hope is not the case). He won't go beyond that. So my point is, get shot now, get in someone with a long term plan and take a long term view on them, and lets get over this year of messing, and start afresh with most of our current squad, and a couple of additions in our weak areas, and start stabilising,start progressing!

just off for that very last syringe!
Dublin Hotspur
Cider couldn't agree with you more - from this year's squad that split between EL and PL was possible... AVB messed up there big time for me!
Enjoyed the 3 matches from La Liga last night - especially the rant of CR towards GB in taking a free kick!!!
Highgatespur
Oh no - sorry folks - wasn't trying to be bold!!!
Highgatespur
I do think that Utd are getting far less decisions this year as opposed to under fergie, and of course "Moyes Time" is nowhere near as beneficial to them as was "Fergie Time"! that alone is / was probably worth 12 points a season to Utd!
Dublin Hotspur
sorry wrong thread again
Dublin Hotspur
I have mates who are ST at OT - they reckon they are playing their worst for a long time - even compared to their 73-74 season!!! I know it's probably not accurate but that's how fatalistic they're feeling now!!!
Highgatespur
Dublin Hotspur - You start by saying you understand players play for money, then you say the players won't "stick around". So they'll leave for less money ? Bringing in someone with along term view, like every short term appointment we've made ?
jod
High .. that's true about 4 or 5 games making a difference ... but the goal difference problem has been there for longer than this season and it needs fixing.
Geofspurs
Geof, that's what confuses me; have we ever had a non leaky defence consistently ever in playing the "Spurs Way"? I thought our "best " defensive run was at the beginning of this season - and look what happened ? Personally I prefer to have the wins...
Highgatespur
Looking at the run in for goons and Everton, I can't see them dropping enough points for us to overtake them. However as we all know, this is the Premiership and stranger things have happened. Liverpool have hit a purple patch at the right time. If we get any result on Sunday, it will be a huge result for us. I can see us finishing 6th, which almost makes me wonder if it is not worth finishing 7th like liverpool last season and not playing Europa League for a season. Their players look a lot fresher for it and we have our permanent injury curse to deal with on top of playing midweek Europa games.
vicspur
Jod, it's not the money the players won't stick around for(in most cases) in this instance it's who they are playing for (Tim) and the club direction they won't stick around for. I think my posts made sense as to the point I was trying to make, and I understand you and indeed others will disagree with my opinion.
Dublin Hotspur
Jod, to simplify. Let's get Tim out and get a proven manager in, who will command the respect of our players, offer direction, and take a long term view with him. (Tim is not that man in my opinion).Then we can hold on to the players we want and can afford to pay, and attract other players we want and can afford to pay. It won't happen with TS in charge! Simple really.
Dublin Hotspur
I know this isn't the point of the article but yes we can overtake them, to do so we need to start by beat Liverpool. I said back in Jan Liverpool were too good but 4th place is still open as one of the top 3 would drop points, most likely Arsenal. So far I have been proven right in that has happened, and I also thought (but did not say) we would not take up the opportunity. The only suprise is Everton are taking it up - good luck to them if we fu87 up another season.
T.H.F.Chris
High ... That’s true, too. We’ve not had a great defence since ...well, back in the day! I’d prefer a win too, but we won’t get enough of them to win the EPL unless we score more (which some of our teams have been able to do in the past). So it comes back to goal difference again. Our current GD reflects our season in comparison to the top four teams. It’s just surprising that we have so many points and we are where we are, given our GD. I agree that we started the season with a fairly solid defence but it needs a good bit of tweaking now, methinks.
Geofspurs
Geof... you have said it in a nutshell... I thought despite the man, we're getting somewhere with defence and then after christmas everyone would gel and we'd be off.... then old habits die hard...

I think the boss has to work on changing mind sets before any meaningful changes can be made - forgo some of the Spurs way ? We have to do something before .....
Highgatespur
Hear BAE wants to come to the club that he made fun of - think he is better off looking elsewhere....
Highgatespur
no to BAE Thanks
T.H.F.Chris
Realistically <\b> we should never have finished 4th 3 seasons ago, that was our best chance, 13 points clear, if only Defoe had reached that ball at City.....
T.H.F.Chris
THF Chris, lol, I still think about that, I remember it so clearly, if only he had anticipated Bale's cross like a world class striker would have and set off 1 second earlier, he would have got to it.
vicspur
bold off?
shedboy2
THFChris - was just behind the goal - just couldn't believe we were so close yet so far.... even Citeh fans were consoling us at the end!

But also remember the defeats to the likes of Norwich, QPR, drawing v Wolves, swansea, stoke, sunderland and so on - it was there for the taking.....

Bad memories and that match in Germany.... urrgh!!!
Highgatespur
Nice try T.H.F.Chris shouldn't it be a forward slash?
TQ2Spurs
Thank you TQ2Spurs
Highgatespur
We are currently 6th and barring a complete collapse by Arsenal, or a disasterous run in by Everton, we are likely to finish exactly where we are now outside of a European place by right by league position. If we look at our remaining fixtures then the last one that we should lose on form, is at Anfield. We then play Sunderland (H), WBA (A), Fulham (H), Stoke (A), W.Ham (A), and Aston Villa (H). We should given our league position relative to all of those clubs expect to win those games, but we know from bitter experience that there will be some poor performances, tactical disasters, and failure to convert chances into points amongst these games, so we will almost certainly see a lower PL finish, and points total compared to last season, so regress rather than progress.
Frank
Frank, all things being considered - this season has been nothing short of shambolic! And I'm not talking about the matters on the pitch...

I'm hoping that Everloan will falter with their fixturs and as for the goons the meltdown has started big time... so I'm keeping my hopes up.... about time we benefitted from others' failures!!!

No doubt we've regressed as a club over the past 9 months!
Highgatespur
We're not many players away from being challengers ourselves. Arsenal have started slowly for a few years, to creep up in the latter stages. This year the opposite. As it levels we're still not far from them, and they've got the post-Wenger period to get through at some point. We've got to keep progressing, regardless. When they were winning leagues and we were mid-table, you'd've ripped the arm that held half a decade of finishing JUST behind them, off. We do it for two years, great. But people always want more. Understandable in both sporting and human nature. Do it a third year but it ain't good enough now. A fourth and we wanna hang everyone. We were spammed out once. Pedro @ Old Trafford. com - would THAT have made the difference THAT year? We're still close. Man Utd and Liverpool have swapped places, for sure. The rest are same old, same old.
jerkinmahjurgen
Every year, we all, including myself, say we are 2/3/4 players short of replacing arsenal/breaking top4/winning league. The simple facts are that as long as we don't have a coach/manager who can develop the players and mould a team, we will never achieve top 4. Having a team of great players does not mean you can grind out results, or play super flowing football like goons or city do. It means you are relying on individuals to pull a rabbit out of the hat every game, which is what we have been doing this and last season. Last season was Bale, this season Eriksen has been the stand out player and depending on Ade for goals when poor old Soldado cant hit the proverbial barn door. Look at liverpool, how many world class players??? yet the score for fun, play as a team and fight as a team. We laughed at King Kenny paying 20m for Henderson, what a joke, but look what Rogers has done with him? It is all about getting the right manager/coach. One who can take a player with potential and develop and bring out that potential. It is no coincidence that we have signed so many potential world class players in the past that have turned out to be duds. Maybe it was not their fault. If we don't get the right manager, we will never get into the top 4.
vicspur
Not really Jerk - Citeh weren't there and we've finished on the coat tails of fifth for 4 years? Pedro@oldtrafford.com took place awhile before that.... Keep the faith, man - onto redscouserland..
Highgatespur
vicspur - agree with you on your conclusion - we have a good enough squad to challenge for the top. I think you've gone slightly over board with the world class tag on the Liverpool players... Henderson? Sturridge ? come on let's wait and see. I'll wait for another successful year to even considering them anywhere near world class... come on...
Highgatespur
Vicspur, we most certainly won't achieve it, by as many suggest we should, sticking with Sherwood. I agree with you he is the latest in a long line of coaches and behind the scenes people who have consistently failed this club. Liverpool are a good example of the opposite situation. following a disasterous period under Dalglish, when they wasted a fortune on poor signings, and going backwards, they hired Rogers (perhaps by luck, or by good judgement), then made some astute signings after blowing out some of the club's previous mistakes (Adam, Carroll, Downing, Aquillani, Borini, among others) and made signings including Suarez, Coutinho, Sturridge, Mignolet, all at good prices, Coutinho and Sturridge together cost less than Soldado, and certainly less than Lamela, they have brought through youngsters like Flanaghan, and Sterling, and have progressed beyond recognition by instilling a club system of playing, team selection, team set up, team work, pace, goal scoring ability, and yes reasonable luck with injuries. This all stems from the appointment of Rogers, and the result is coming from outside the European places last year, to genuine PL championship contenders in 1 season, showing what is possible. So yes it is true, the key is the appointment of the right coach. To appoint the wrong one has the reverse effect, ask Man Utd.
Frank
Frank there is no need ask Man Utd - there's plenty of relevant history with us!!!
Highgatespur
Fair points, Highgate. Anyway, I'm keeping faith and looking forward to us kicking some scouse ass. Spurs to win 2-1. coys
jerkinmahjurgen
Until Levy steps out of the way on football matters we will carry on being also rans. Top four is realistically outside reach, unless we overachieve and a couple of the big boys underachieve. It can be done but only with a long term plan and a young progressive coach, I think AVB could have been that coach, his record stands up to scrutiny, Rodgers and Martinez are proving it and Pochettino and Laudrup have too to a lesser extent. Will Levy and the fans give that coach the necessary time and patience? I doubt it.
ItalianYiddo
Highgate- you mistook me. I don't consider liverpool to have any world class players apart from Suarez and gerrard. That was my point, these good, not great, players are performing as a team and compliment each other.
vicspur
Thanks vicspurs - get your posting. I think Suarez may be scoring goals this year but, I know I maybe in the few, I don't regards him as world class...just about every good striker goes through a purple patch and this is his. As for Ferrard - well he's good but world class ? Rogers has done a grand job in blending the team together - providing the necessary bits that a good coach ought to be doing.... It was unfortunate we signed so many players (I was overjoyed) not used to the PL and make the pointless sacking of AVB.... we will return to the top with an experienced coach in hand!!! With all the troubles we have had we ought to be well behind he L'pool but we aren't ... why ? the players are good enough....
Highgatespur
Dublin Hotspur - I say again , players play for money. If someone else is offering more players will leave, assuming the buying club meets Levy's demands. If others are offering less they will stay. This fantasy you have about players taking pay cuts to leave if they don't like the manager or to stay if they do is ridiculous.
jod
I don't remember saying anyone would take a paycut jod. Read my posts carefully.
Dublin Hotspur
I think some players would take a pay cut if it meant leaving to a prestigious club. Everton or Real Madrid? Spurs or Barca. It's not always black and white. COYS!
James1
All those throwing Liverpool's name into the hat, if Suarez had left last Summer would Liverpool be anywhere near the title?? Cardiff put 3 past them for christ sake. They are playing entertaining football but they have many weaknesses.

As for the article and overtaking Arsenal, this season I cannot see that. Are we really going to collect 21 points from our remaining 7 fixtures? Lets be realistic boys and girls. We need to end the season on a high in teerms of confidence and then sort out the manager situation. Announce either Tim is staying or LvG is coming in, then we need to sort out the INs/OUTs before the world cup and start the season from day 1 with the squad for the season. None of this lastminute .com nonsense on 31st August please.
yiddyboy
Yiddyboy, forget about ifs and buts, if Bale had not left, where would we be? You can only work with what you have and Rogers has done superbly with his team. I am sure the lack of Europa football has also helped them, notably with injuries.
vicspur
Sturridge and Suraez have been the difference for Liverpool. This is what every club dreams of, a telepathic partnership that not only creates chances but converts them as well. That is the difference between clubs. Imagine Spurs, Arsenal, United or Chelsea with that partnership? We would be looking at a top 3 finish with these two players in our team. COYS!
James1
vicspur - I totally agree but if PSG offer £80m for Suarez in the Summer will Liverpool refuse to sell? If they do sell will Liverpool be title contenders again. Rogers is doing a good job but the confidence running through the team comes from the fact they are winning games, winning breds confidence. Let's see what happens when we beat them on Sunday
yiddyboy
Not sure ghulamville. Stats can be misleading but that is an interesting fact. But there is no denying their impact as a partnership has been immense. They are up there with Shearer and Sutton in terms of goals between them. COYS!
James1
Sturridge has also done superbly well, 20 goals already, but Suarez takes all the headlines. Also Coutinho looks like he has adapted well, looked very lightweight when he first came, lots of similarities to Lamela in my opinion.
vicspur
Yiddyboy how can we get LVG in, and sort out ins/outs before the WC. LVG is not available until after the WC, so are we saying that we are going to leave the choice of sales and signings to the same duo as cocked up last summer i.e. Levy and Baldini. I think one of the conditions that LVG will probably lay down to come to Spurs, would be to be fully involved in deciding who goes out, and who comes in, especially as he will have seen as everybody else has, the almighty cock up we made last summer in blowing £109M on 7 players, many of whom have yet to contribute anything to the team.
Frank
Regarding Liverpool and their success. yes Sturridge and Suarez have had great seasons, and their goals have been instrumental, but it should be noted that they have been backed up and ably supplied by a superb MF of Coutinho, Gerrard, Henderson, the pace and width of Johnson and Sterling, and key saves in tight games by Mignolet. The truth is it has been a great squad performance, and a great manager/coach performance by Rogers, given their demise at the end of last season. Interestingly the reasons for their success, are almost exactly the reasons lacking in our set up, to make us successful.
Frank
Yiddyboy - totally agree with your posting re planning now for the next season.

Totally unrealistic in asking us Spurs fans to be realistic... we are what we are!!! COYS!!!
Highgatespur
James - if we had the two from L'pool ? What? drop Solly and EA!!!! Perish the thought!!!!
Highgatespur
Right with you yiddyboy about Sunday....
Highgatespur
Frank, it is not beyond the realms of possibility to have someone working for you on consultancy before actually joint - there were rumours of AVB before he joined us officially ?

As said before wouldn't be surprised if deals have completed already - surely when DL wants something he goes for it ?!

It has been refreshing not to hear any quotes from the Lane this week... perhaps he's learning....
Highgatespur
Believe it or not we still could get fourth. Arsenal lose to City and draw with Everton and lose one more game may be a surprise loss against newcastle that is the seven points dropped. We have a surprise win at Liverpool, win all our remaining games and then Arsenal panic last game of the season and drop points, we get fourth as Everton fade away after two defeats against the manchester clubs. It could happen but I doubt it will. Yes we missed our chance, Arsenal have faded at the end of the season and we were getting close, then we sold Modric and then Bale and brought in too many foreigners who don't know the Pl and sacked a manager. Typical spurs.
BeingIStoBe
Let's keep the faith going - we can still do it!!!
Highgatespur
Let's keep the faith going - we can still do it!!!
Highgatespur
 

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