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Liverpool Hotspur?

From an 11 point gap last season, Liverpool already hold a 12 point cushion this season, which is expected to rise this weekend, and there are still six games remaining after this weekend.

So what has actually happened to alter the status of both sides? Is it really just a case of Liverpool`s SAS strike partnership or perhaps a lack of European football? Surely not!

Last season Liverpool were looking to build something and at times struggled to find that system to shine and show consistency. Occasionally brilliant, but too often terrible. Spurs were also quite often terrible, but relied on the brilliance of Bale to win games and secure a record number of points. Were we a one man team, whilst Liverpool looked at the bigger picture?

This has got me thinking of one of my favourite questions I ask opposition supporters, and that is what would be your combined team, when looking at both squads. For Spurs and Liverpool, it paints a grim outlook for me.

If I compare several positions, Liverpool easily take the attacking places, not only with the two strikers, but perhaps in their support as well. Eriksen might be at least on a par with Sterling and Coutinho, but the gap is hardly wide, and we know there is pace and instant understanding with the Liverpool players.

In midfield, can Spurs beat a two of Gerrard and Henderson? Not for me. Perhaps we should talk up Nabil Bentaleb… In defence, I am guessing this is our best chance of nicking places. However the gap between picks in minor, either in overall quality or because current form dictates that Spurs players are under performing.

In goal, Lloris is superb, but is Simon Mignolet that far behind? Also is he a keeper to take less risks? I give the place to Hugo, but only just. At right back, I just go with Walker over Johnson, but is my heart ruling my head?

At centre back, I am going with Skrtel and Vertonghen, but that is based on Jan`s quality as opposed to his form this season. At left back, Is Danny Rose playing better than make shift LB Jon Flanagan, whilst if fit is Jose Enrique better that all of them. That is of course also stating that LB is considered a weak link at Anfield.

So with a heavy heart, I would go with a combined team of; Lloris - Walker, Skrtel, Vertonghen, Rose - Gerrard, Henderson, Paulinho - Eriksen - Suarez, Sturridge. In reality all the Spurs selections are so close to call, whilst the Liverpool ones are pretty much nailed on. I have selected Paulinho more out of potential to fit into a team and system as opposed to his disappointing displays this season, but also was there that much of a choice elsewhere?

When I look at my selection it slightly confuses me, as I have a 6-5 ratio in favour of Spurs, but is that more heart over head or does it actually back up the theory that we are playing well below our potential, whilst Liverpool just have two outstanding strikers to make the difference. Somehow, despite my rose tinted selection, it just doesn`t ring true to me...




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Friday March 28 2014

Time: 10:55AM

Your Comments

Spurs 5-0! COYS!
James1
I make our squad ability pretty much on par with Liverpool's, however desire, teamwork and player management Liverpool are streaks ahead. Nearly all of there players share the same desire to win games as the fans, looking into the eyes of some our players cant say I see the same. But yes, also having the most deadly strike force in Europe does help.
coys1717
Totally behind you James.

Amazingly how quickly we talk down ours after a good season yet with others they become world class!!! COYS!!!!
Highgatespur
vertonghen?ahead of agger
ghulamville
paulinho?
ghulamville
OxfordSpur.. It has to be Soldado and Ade for me, above choosing Suarez and Sturridge....
MAN ON!
Way below our potential!
Slurms McKenzie
i think going on this season only lloris may displace mignloet
ghulamville
Lloris, naughton, vlad, jan, anyone but rose, sandro, capoue, eriksen, lamela, chadli, Robbie.
Dublin Hotspur
But if I had to pick some bindippers,
Lloris, Johnson, vlad, jan, anyone but rose, sandro, Gerard, eriksen, lamela, Suarez, robbie
Dublin Hotspur
Mingolet, never inspires confidence! We have a stronger back four if we would only letthem play in a defensive position as opposed to a second row of midfielders! Liverpool are devastating going forward but calamitous defensively. We are inept offensively and suicidal defensively. Liverpool to shade it 3-2 again!
Slurms McKenzie
Dublin that second eleven is pretty awesome on paper...like the spurs squad in general!
Slurms McKenzie
Coys1717, spot on re the reasons for Liverpool's success. However I would argue that although squad wise there is little to choose, when we look at the comparison between first XIs when all fit, I have to say that up front, and in MF they are superior, and at the back there is little to choose. The big difference is their team selection, set up, players knowing and adhering to a club playing system and ethic, and the manager/coach who knows who he wants in the team and why, how he wants his team to play, how to stop the opposition from playing, and the bloody minded determination to impose themselves on the opposition, and over power them. Their strengths are almost exactly our weaknesses.
Frank
Nice article ox. Gets you thinking!
what it's done for me is highlight in my mind what a great squad we have on paper, but haven't seen them play together or hit form together enough to make fair judgement. On paper I'd take a first 11 from our squad any day.
Dublin Hotspur
Football's a funny old game Saint ,no game was ever one on paper.If Sunderland almost got a draw then we could win on Sunday!That's logical innit?
Greavesaboveall
An all time ScouserSpurs team would be something to drool over...
MAN ON!
Dublin , I echo what you are saying about our squad. I've been thinking like this all year long - all we seem to be missing is an appropriately skilled coach... the two we have had this year have been well below par IMO.
Highgatespur
Frank great post in reply to Coys1717.

Great article Ox
Highgatespur
Frank great post in reply to Coys1717.

Great article Ox
Highgatespur
Frank if we had appointed Rodgers as opposed to AVB and he had the same season with us last year as he did with Liverpool, I don't think he would have been our coach for this season. I think that is where Spurs problems have been for years!
Slurms McKenzie
Good post frank. In a nutshell!
greaves. Re Sunderland nearly getting a draw we should on paper beat Liverpool! Yes. Funny but true! Sunderland, or Gus to be precise figured how to stall pools play. Most of their attacks begin from the back( like AVB a plan as I saw it), but Sunderland left their two forwards with the pool centre backs through the entire game and closed off that channel. Clever. I hope Tim was watching, because if we can do the same we can get them on the break more easily and win the game! On paper!
Dublin Hotspur
Liverpool's defence is possibly the only one in the Premiership that is worse than ours,so I say go for all out attack and may the worse defence lose!Audere est Facere.
Greavesaboveall
Frank. spot on. Plus Rodgers was given time to implement his style of play. Liverpool finished seventh last season. What would happen if our manager ever finished seventh??
jonathan01
Jonathon, we might find out shortly!
Dublin Hotspur
Snap Jonathan01
Slurms McKenzie
Dublin , is that being realistic or just hoping about the learning... really hope it's the latter.
Highgatespur
Dublin Hotspur.. Trouble is that Spurs have not been quick or effective enough on the counter this season...
MAN ON!
A good manager, given a longterm view, with our squad ( except rose of course) we should be thereabouts. A great manager + a plan + a great squad x execution = success!!! We are only missing 2 of the 3 elements, and it's not the squad.
Dublin Hotspur
We are all going around the main issue aren't we ? Peel10 is accurate with half of him aim... as it were!!!
Highgatespur
Dublin, think the plan has been there!!!
Highgatespur
That's true man on, but on paper it's possible!
highgate, the latter.
Dublin Hotspur
"Coulndn't care less"
yiddyboy
Highgate "a plan" was there not sure if it was "thee Plan" in fact i think i would give it a K grade so lets call it plan k or plank for short.-
Slurms McKenzie
Yeah, i'd have to agree upfront Frank, but the potential our midfield has I'd say was on par with Liverpool's the difference mainly being Rogers has got them playing with confidence and co-ordination, which is also helped by Gerrard (who has to go down as one of prem's best ever) being on the pitch along side them. Eriksen, Sandro, Pauliniho vs Gerrard, Coutiniho, Henderson on paper I dont see a great difference but based on current form, you right there is a gulf in superiority.
coys1717
Not true yiddy, you could care so much less that you would not bother to comment, or even less again and you wouldn't form an opinion, or you could care even less again and not even be bothered by how your team are doing and just keep singing and cheering regardless of what was happening on the pitch...but then you'd be an Ireland fan
Slurms McKenzie
Lol slurms!! Brilliant!
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin Hotspur.. It will work!
MAN ON!
There's good Irish logic for you..
MAN ON!
Slurms - I'd call it the L plan, L standing for Learners, Levey, Losers(Pele10 - take your pick!!! Your K plan would work too!!!
Highgatespur
with all due respect . the selection of the spurs fans above seems to be based off what you guys are calling "ability". but ability is what you show week in week out on the actual pitch . This "ability" as you guys are calling is not being executed on the pitch week in week out by spurs players so you guys must be referring to what you hope as opposed to what your players have actually shown. the facts "tablewise" suggest that 1 or possibly 2 spurs players if that would get into a combined 11. Liverpool fans wouldnt want to risk our table position being brought down by spurs players who are apparently top class with spurs fans fans but in the real world can barely get past 6th position. when you can actually get past 5th place then i will happily debate that combines 11 again. for now id take lloris and Vertonghe. the rest all pool.
I Bling Red
I Bling Red, come Sunday, you will change your mind... ;-)
MAN ON!
I Bling Red - nice for you to appear and confirm my thoughts about you all being so blinkered... football is a funny game one good season doesn't necessarily follow on with another.. Thought you'd realise/learnt that by now.
Highgatespur
That, bling, is what being a fan of a football club is about. Hope, faith etc. You should know. You had a good few years lurking down below. If this article was written then for you, would you have stuck with 9 pool players?? On paper we have a better squad, just the wrong man coaching them.
Dublin Hotspur
Bling, it's a very busy day on VL. Surprised you could find the time to pop over and visit us? Thought your site would be hopping these days??? Where is everyone?
Dublin Hotspur
All true I Bling and most of our signings were top of your wish list last summer as I recall...
Slurms McKenzie
Dublin - think they might be in manchester celebrating the demise of manure and jostling/ bargaining to get on that plane with the banner....
Highgatespur
in saying that there are a couple of spurs players i would consider such a paulinhio and lemela but that is assuming they actually DO something within the next 6 months or so. right now based on what they have done so far ( the likes of erikson included) week in week out they have not shown enough and currently are not good enough to get into a combined 11. again, this is based on WHAT THEY HAVE DONE SO FAR.. no way should a team that is supposedly on your level be whipping you with ease 5-0. excuses are what is holding you back.
I Bling Red
If we play with a high line at Anfield, we'd better have Lennon as a Centre Back ... at least one of our CBs will have pace!
Geofspurs
No the guy making the excuses is holding us back... But again I take the point about a team selction based on current form over a team selection based on ability, potential and historical form.
Slurms McKenzie
My team would be Lloris; Walker, Chiriches, Agger, Johnson; Sandro, Gerrard; Sterling, Sturridge, Suarez. That's 4 players from Spurs and that is debatable if Enrique got fit again and Glen Johnson moved back to RB. Thing is though, if you give both clubs 6 injuries then the balance would shift completely the other way. That's been my problem as we've played the entire season with 6 injuries. Liverpool have had a couple at any one time. I can't wait to see their squad take on all competitions including CL including their fair share of injuries. Then we'll see whether the new Liverpool can operate at the top. We might be the Liverpool of next season if we miss out on EL and get our act together.
muttley
Muttley we'll get act together with the EL on tow - no doubts on that !!!
Highgatespur
Highgatespur. my post stated that it is what the FACTS show. liverpool fans should judge liverpool by that same process not just yourselves. if lpool were crap then i would say we are crap and hold those responsible accountable, its the FACTS that count because all that will happen is that fans will be biased in favour of their club. if youre willing to come out with a response like that after reading what was a fair post then its no wonder spurs are currently considered a laughing stock. you seem to think that you are 2 levels better than you actually are or actually ever prove. seems like your venting your teams incapabilities out on me..yet its not my fault your team cannot compete..then again, maybe you think it is..lol.. unfortunate because there there are some fair minded spurs fans out there. however highgate, if you were anywhere near as good as you seem to think spurs are then you wouldnt be fighting for 6th position would you. *waits for the penny to drop*..........
I Bling Red
LLoris - Walker Skertel Vertonghen Flanagen - Gerrard Sandro Coutinho Eriksen - Suarez Adebayor Sturridge
hudderspur
Gerrard is crucial to liverpool's success and he is one yellow card away from a 2 match ban.With difficult games looming Liverpool are terrified of losing Gerrard.He is lacking pace and mistiming tackles ,so that is the weakness that Tim must exploit.get our fast men running at him and see what happens.
Greavesaboveall
I Bling Red bearing in mind you are on Vital Spurs and not Vital Liverpool, and that this is a hypotheical discussion anyway and will never ever come to fruition then you, me and even Highgate are perfectly within our rights to name wha ever team we like, and as has been pointed out above the slant in favour of Spurs players is probaly due to this being a Spurs forum, but even with this bias we accept that Spurs haven't performed this season, hence the qualifier for most people "heart over head"
Slurms McKenzie
But if we're naming mash up teams then mine is the spurs squad but Rodgers in charge!
Slurms McKenzie
liverpoos resurgence is not good news for us,its been their fall from grace the last couple of years that has given us our best consistent finishes.4545-we need to monitor their activities closely
ghulamville
Or just wait for Europes big guns to sign chompy
Slurms McKenzie
Bling, has the penny dropped yet ? I do remember the fair minded supporters of your club wanting Rigers out and bowing your heads down to the GOD Dalglish... spending ridiculous amount of money on the likes of Carroll, Ispas, downing, shelvey adam and Rodgers hasn't too badly with the likes of Borini and sakho. All I'm saying is that one good season doesn't follow that the next will be just as good. Get over yourself man.... get out of the rain (it must be raining in mancs) and chill out! Did i hit a raw nerve in implying that the main motivator amongst you all is manure's failings this year ? I'm sure about 70% of the singing at Anfield will be about Moyes.... come back next year _ i'll be happy to acknowledge if you are just as successful.

Picked up the penny yet ?
Highgatespur
Bling, Man U are by no means crap. They won the title last year, and hold pretty much the same players. In the spirit of this article do you think they would choose 9 Liverpool players in a combined squad? No. Because they rate most of their players. It is their manager they have issues with. It really is the same situation with us. As a spurs fan I cannot lay down and say we are crap. We are not. We are chaotic yes, but not a bunch of crappy players by any account. I would still pick the combined 11 I posted at this point. I rate our players and have witnessed class from most of them this season, and I base my selections on that. As you would probably do with pool players a year ago! You have benefitted from a lack of injuries, a poor season from utd, ( as well as them losing the refs from their payroll) and the chaos we have endured this season! They are facts. Enjoy the moment bling, it may not last very long. Hopefully. It's all about opinions here mate, I suggest you go share yours with VL. You might get somewhere with yours there!
Dublin Hotspur
That will come to fruition slurms. No doubt.
Dublin Hotspur
Slurms, according to the realistic Redsousers he has devoted his life to the club,,, and that's a fact - according to them!
Highgatespur
:-) check out the big brain on Slurms...
Slurms McKenzie
What is it with liverpool teams and rants about FACTS?
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms I nearly included that part but decided one raw nerve was enough... that's a FACT!!!
Highgatespur
Have you seen the number of articles Gavin John Day has posted up on Vital Liverpool and not one response for the poor barsteward. What could the scousers be doing all day? its like they don't know how to read or something (I actually posted that on VL already but i knew no-one would read it there)
Slurms McKenzie
They are celebrating the manure's downfall and they're all queuing up the plane ride - no doubt !! LOL!
Highgatespur
clam down, clam down
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms, they're out picking pockets and buying hoodies and runners with the proceeds
Dublin Hotspur
Now now now Dublin Bling will be back with his posse - the Blinkers or the bin dippers!!!
Highgatespur
There is no posse. It's VL were talking about! Think the laptops were all stolen and sold on, so no way of anyone in liverpoolshire posting!
Dublin Hotspur
OOOH - slam!!! Bet you've been saving that for a while?!!!
Highgatespur
It's funny. For me, it's anyone but arse or Chelsea to win the title, leaving city or pool. City being my preference!
utd fans here want anyone but pool or city winning, leaving arse or Chelsea. Someone will be disappointed.
Dublin Hotspur
Liverpool have been really impressive and remind me of us under Harry's last season. Because of their history and fans though you can never really be neutral so it would be good to start their downfall this weekend, no way do I want them winning the league.

On the mix team it is hard to see many spurs getting in:
Lorris
Walker, Sktle, Agger, Flanagan
Coutinho, Gerrard, Sandro, Eriksen,
Sturridge, Suarez

Not pretty from a spurs perspective 4 v 7 but I think about right. Even Sandro is questionable as he has been injured so much. Sunday is our cup final, if we lose then all the focus should be on next season and bedding the players in properly, if we pull out the performance of the season out hopes will still be alive... COYS!!!


Just for fun I have put together the ideal best 11, what it should be:
Lorris
Walker, Verts, Skrtle, Rose
Lamela, Gerrard, Sandro, Eriksen
Soldado, Suarez

Maybe next year.......... COYS!!!
T.H.F.Chris
Dublin, it's only one Citeh - the team is full of quality....
Highgatespur
Jon Flanagan is miles better than Rose & Coutinho has had a better season that Paulinho.Johnson & Walker is a close one as both are liablities,my pick over both would be Naughton

Lloris,Naughton,Skrtle,Vertonghen,Flanagan,Coutinho,Eriksen,Gerrard,Henderson,Suarez,Sturridge.
,br>Also like the fact that Sherwood said how much he hates holding midfielders,his biggest call was bringing in the undroppable Bentaleb,who plays as a holding midfielder.His passing ratio looks good because he does a 100 7 yard sideways passes every game.
I`ve been watching him & he rarely does Modric style eye of the needle defence splitting passes,& he very rarely gets involved in attack.
I thought bentaleb had promise & maybe the new Viera on the horizon, but i don`t think he has enough in his locker.
Fanny adams
Thfchris, I kind of agree. Should we lose Sunday, do we try to play a "first 11" for the balance of the season, like an extended pre season, and use subs strategically to speed up the bedding in process? Find some stability? I reckon we would be looking back on this season saying " why didn't we do that before"!
Dublin Hotspur
after this game would like to see kane and a few others who tim deems good enough from the under 18s get regurlar games till the end
ghulamville
Fanny adams, How can you come to that conclusion about Nabil, A 19 year old that has only played in 13 PL, first team matches.
MAN ON!
Sorry, it's only 12 games...
MAN ON!
Dublin, aren't we saying that already in some quarters?!! It all depends on the goners and the loanees...
Highgatespur
Just checked. It's 13 games all together. Only 8 PL matches.
MAN ON!
Damn! It is 13 PL, 18 in total... ;-)
MAN ON!
MAN ON! I don`t think Bentaleb is all that,my opinion.
Bentaleb is a defensive midfielder who isn`t very good at defending.
Fanny adams
FA: Ok, but the question is still the same.
MAN ON!
I'm with fanny here. 1 assist and no goals, lots of sideways passes, a few good tackles and a number of heart stopping mistakes. Not for me.... Yet! Should have loaned him and kept Lewis.
Dublin Hotspur
Could have made a more balanced decision if he could be compared to anyone else, ( capoue ) but as he hasn't been dropped, it's hard to know. He hasn't offered much. For me capoue has offered far more when he has been played in position.
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin, I thought you were a married man. Leave her to the single guys! As for Fanny adams, I'll never trust his judgement on a players ability.
MAN ON!
Bentaleb has been good when he has played, does his job and gets on with things. He might have had less game time if Capoue didn't get injured so we will never know.
Kong
Some team news, Ade is a doubt but ade is confident he will be fit, Walker is out, Lamela and Capoue are a 'way off'.
Kong
Dublin - a few posting on the web that Lewis might look elsewhere if we don't!!!
Highgatespur
MAN ON! You have to see a player & decide for yourself if you think he has potential or not,we`re not professional coaches,just putting your thoughts down if you believe a player will cut it or not.

I`m just curious as to what bentaleb does,i just don`t get it.
Protect the back 4 ? i don`t see the back 4 having much protection.He`s not a playmaker,he`s not box to box.

Bentaleb has started to remind me of Zokora.Run around like a headless chicken without really helping the defence or supporting attacks,you have to be great at one or the other or you will not make it.
Scholes was the worst tackling midfielder i have ever seen,but he was world class & one of the best players i have ever seen.
But you have to tick boxes,i just get what boxes you can tick with bentaleb.When he first came on i thought he was a breath of fresh air,but the more i watch him the more i have no idea what he`s on the pitch to do.
Fanny adams
Fanny adams... I was only joking...
MAN ON!
Sherwood quote: "Ive played for a few clubs and I feel that Tottenham have the best travelling support out there".
Kong
Sherwood - "To be honest, I've not watched them [Liverpool] that closely." Great preparation for Sunday.
Kong
Kong - Nabil or Jake for you ?
Highgatespur
Highgate, neither to be honest but if I had to pick then it would be Nabil as I have seen more of him and Jake never got such a run in the team for me to see.
Kong
Dublin it is the only thing that makes sense. I am not a big fan of Chadli but he has had a couple of good performances and others see potential so I would give him the rest of the season to see what he can do. Also I'd let Eriksen play wherever he wants (anyone know what position that is) as I think he is so far our best player. And finally Soldado, got to start up front every match, our league position doesn't matter if it's not 4th, our squad for next season is much more important.
T.H.F.Chris
Nabil is playing for Spurs right now. Last time I looked, Jake was at Hull.... Jake is 5 years older than Nabil and with a good few years more experience. It is unfair to make a comparison, I would think.
MAN ON!
T.H.F.Chris. Why are the next 7 matches less important than what we do next season?
MAN ON!
That is what I mean Man On, I have not seen enough of Jake to make a comparison.
Kong
Agree, thfchris, it would be great to have all the new signings fit and playing together, give fryers, naughton solid game time. We might surprise ourselves! And also might know who to build around for next year!
Dublin Hotspur
I also don`t like this homegrown rule.It means you have to make English average players rich just to fulfill your quota.

If there was no quota we could easily get rid of Dawson,Lennon,Walker,Rose,Kane & Townsend & it wouldn`t make a difference to the squad as none offer enough.But you have to keep them & offer them big contracts so they don`t leave.
And if you need an English player you have to go & spend £10 million on him,just because he`s English,it`s an exploitable market.
Milner is wasted at City because the best English ones play at the top clubs,but many don`t even start & the rest of the EPL just get the ones they don`t want.

If English players can`t get into teams it`s because they`re not good enough,clubs should not be forced to buy them & have them in the squad.
Fanny adams
Kong, I know...
MAN ON!
......I thought it was a stupid question to ask.
MAN ON!
Man on, lol. Surely there is plenty to go around!
kong. Some prep... Not watched Liverpool closely? Hopefully the players have so! I think it's deflection, trying to take pressure off himself, advanced excuses! Of course he has watched them closely.... Or has he? He may thing the allure of underestimating Liverpool will help his cause, but the " who are they" attitude is not the one to take for this game! Not from a spurs fans perspective!
Dublin Hotspur
Kong - oh no did I speak too soon ? Where's that quote from ?

Surely you have seen him at Hull ?
Highgatespur
Kong is that trying to win some of us over ? As the song goes "It's too late baby it's too late..."
Highgatespur
Man on, I think with stability and a best 11 playing the last 6 games, we will know more for next year. Every game is important, and we might surprise ourselves by winning all 6 ( 7 ). I just want to see this happen for the first time this season for a prolonged period, I believe we should have done this from the start. 5th is my hope now. My dream is 4th.
Dublin Hotspur
THFChris I can see DL squirming at your comment re position... every positions worth £500,000 I think....
Highgatespur
Brendan Rodgers explained the great difference between the two clubs in a press conference in December 2013, and player personal (the quality of the squads) was not the key in his decision making to turn down Levy and join Liverpool. His decision was not based on player personal, but on the ownership and chairmanship of the two clubs, and which of the two clubs boards would give him the most support, loyalty and backing to do the job to the best of his ability... He did not believe he would be given the time, loyalty or the support of the THFC board to do his job to the best of his ability as both AVB and Ramos also recently expressed! Rodgers explained... "They are a great club and one of the things I looked at was the history," he told the Mail. "They'd had 11 managers in 18 years there so for someone like myself, I needed to create something; I needed to go to a club that was going to give us that opportunity"... ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
Highgate, I have not watched any hull games apart from when they play us. I can't be watching every team that have players loaned to them from us otherwise I will be divorced :).
Kong
Pele10 - we can't be that gullable surely - has Rogers become font of all knowledge ? Did he remember Hodgson in that comment ? I thought Rogers was a sworn red man otherwise why else join the club.... Believe in THFC, Pele10....
Highgatespur
Kong true, I tend to keep up with things thru MOTD... I ask as we need to think of the squad size and two midfielders (in the same role ?) someone has to make a decision. Livermore has gained valuable PL experience perhaps Nabil needs to go on a similar loan next year or let Livermore go? Think the club also needs to decide on Carroll; and Holtby.... I am hoping the new manager will have enough nous to do all these things ....
Highgatespur
Hoping EA knows his body better than Dembele knows of his... look at a last week... all with this self diagnosis, one has to worry as to what's the medical team's role ?
Highgatespur
Highgate, true about the squad size, I think Hull will buy Livermore, Carroll and Nabil can be part of the squad, Holtby depends on who the manager is and what the player wants.
Kong
Fanny ... The Kid’s 19. He’s not supposed to have ‘enough in his locker’ ... he’s supposed to be learning, ie, the locker is supposed to be getting bigger! I think he’s done enough to indicate his potential and, hopefully, if he’s given a fair go, he might get the opportunity to realise it.
Geofspurs
If LVG was at Spurs and chose to play Nabil regularly, no doubt more people would think it a correct decision... Bentaleb seems to be criticised more for his association to Sherwood, than for the ability he has shown.
MAN ON!
Not that anyone has mentioned it today....... :-)
MAN ON!
Geof, I agree wit you - but was wondering if sending him out on loan would be the best for him ? I don't necessarily see that way... the last Spurs 'product' to benefit from loans was Caulker (Walker and Naughton was transfer ins)... if we want to players to learn the Spurs way we need to stay at the club in their formative years ? Maybe I'm wrong.
Highgatespur
At 19 Bentaleb doesn't look out of place alongside some top international's/seasoned Premier league players. In fact he's outshone his colleagues at time's. If anything he should have been integrated a little sooner.
Guyver
Guyver. I agree. Aside from Eriksen, against the Saints, I thought Nabil was our best player.
MAN ON!
Not every player has to be messi to be able to hold down a position on the pitch. Bentableb for a 19 year old has done better pound for pound then any other midfielder in our team. Yes he's been a regular in the team but so what, hashe been a liablity or looked out of place? On current form I'd rather see Bentaleb in ahead of paulinho, Demble, Siggy or capoue. If we could get the Team set up right then a central three of Sandro, Bentaleb and Paulinho could be awesome. With each bringing individual strenghts to the squad - Sandro, defensive general, bentaleb the steady and composed "option" in the middle of the park and paulinho in a more attacking all action role. Play Eriksen as a CAM behind Ade and two proper wingers and we have the makings of an exceptional central/attacking unit. having our defensive lilne drop back to at least defend in our own half would also stretch the opposition and allow a bit more space for our guys to play in. Just saying, I agree that Bentaleb is not the finished article - nor should he be at 19 - but is so far, looking miles ahead of any of the other of our youth team products of recent years. Once he starts adding abit more muscle to his frame he will be a beast of a player.
Slurms McKenzie
Highgate, my default position is to generally assume you are...
Slurms McKenzie
MAN ON! Not everyone is that shallow.

Tim Sherwood was given a great opportunity,did he take it?
The answer is NO.Sherwood actually beat himself up more than fans went against him.His league form is not that bad but his cup form is disastrous.West Ham second team at home? FA Cup not even a fight,Europa? Became a farce with his own touchline antics,sitting in the stands.
Sherwood criticising his own players?AVB criticised the fans,Harry criticised the fans,Jol criticised the Director of football,Santini did the same,Ramos criticised Levy.
They all did this at times of the team failing,but when things are going well,it was because of them.

Spurs managers have shifted the blame for too long,yet they should`ve looked at their own incompetence.
,br>They were great it wasn`t their fault?
Where is Harry redknapp?
Where is Jol?
where is Ramos
Where is AVB?

No Spurs manager has gone on to bigger & better things.Jol sending Fulham down & harry bankrupting another club struggling to get promotion to the EPL with one of the best squads in that league.

We need a manager who is going to take responsibility for his own mistakes & not just claim the praise when things are going well.

Sherwood got support for enough games but ended up shooting himself in the arse with his rash statements,odd behaviour,gilet wearing & overall incompetent Sunday league managing.

Bentaleb has nothing to do with Sherwood with regards to support,but neither have done enough to warrant any accolades.
The Norwich game was the deciding factor for me for both,but then beat Liverpool...........football is fickle & what makes it the best.
Fanny adams
Highgatespur- Livermore for me, at the moment...perfectly fair comparison both play in the same position....both, last time I looked, were contracted to Spurs yet we've loaned out the better one...Bentaleb could use a PL loan imo...still I think we have better options...
shedboy2
Nabil has been criticised for only being able to do the simple things well, like passing(?). Could it be that he is very good at making it look simple? In other words, if he didn't pass well, would he be in the team? He moves the ball around quickly and mostly accurately, which for a good part of the season is something we have been lacking in midfield.
MAN ON!
Can't see Livermore coming back to us and to be fair I think he's found his level, which many predicted on here. Himself and huddlestone make a decent partnership in the midfield for Hull, did they ever play together for Spurs?
Slurms McKenzie
Man On the fact he's being critised for being able to pass the ball, in the current set-up is a joke, he's the only fecking one who CAN pass the ball!!!!
Slurms McKenzie
Carrol has to come back to us too, but I have a feeling he is going to be too light weight for a Tim sherwood led Spurs.
Slurms McKenzie
High ... I don’t see much point in the Kid going out on loan. As you say, it might be best for him to stay with us and learn with the team he will, hopefully, have a long and trophy filled career with! Everyone in the team, plus two managers, have been ‘learning’ all season .... so maybe there’s an argument to send them all out on loan. It is true, I believe, that he has performed just as well as all the super-stars around him. I don’t usually buy into different opinions of players on here because I understand that we all have our own thoughts, based on our own observations and logic, and they will rarely be altered by argument. However, I will buy into the argument if it seems unfair to one of our players and, in the Kid’s case, he seems to suffer some very unfair criticism.
Geofspurs
LOL Slurms - that's the best way to learn from the learned group of VITAL Spurs, LOL!!!.

I have given up on our MF line up this year... the last time Paulinho and Sandro played together - the combination was so ineffective... Dembele always flatters to deceive, it seems to me, Siggy hasn't had a decent run this year and it goes on... the best combination I saw this year Eriksen, Paulinho and Sandro but the inconsistency bugs me so much about Paulinho... anyway - just looking at past patterns - the second season syndrome should be avoided at all costs with Nabil.... I'm really looking forward to the new boss giving all the players a renewed direction - not too many out of the door, I hope!!
Highgatespur
I actually think a season loan for Bentelab nxt season would be the right move him, as I think we have better options like shedboy2 says, but he is one we should keep for the future, really looks a good player at 19. He gets alot of unfair criticism from those that don't like Sherwood, but he is over played. Livermore has found his level at Hull as Slurms says, and good luck to him, as he's not good enough for Spurs.
Ossie
(4-3-3) Lloris; Johnson, Agger, Sakho, Vertonghen; Gerrard, Henderson, Eriksen/Coutinho; Sterling, Suarez, Sturridge
The Bagman
Fanny ... re criticism. Everyone you correctly listed, blamed something or someone for failing because it’s human nature. It might not be right and we might not like it, but it’s what people do ... especially in football where you can get the sack before you even know you’ve upset someone. I wouldn’t bother dwelling on it because it won’t change (human nature never does, just look at history) and it won’t take you anywhere.
Geofspurs
Two Spurs players bagman, and you still manage to pi$$ one off by playing him out of position! ;-)
Slurms McKenzie
No Geof I don't accept that its human nature and that we can just shake our heads and past it off. It is certainly a type of human nature but there is also a type of human nature that involves showing some back bone, shouldering responsility, leading from the front in times of adversity and then viewing said adversity as a positive learning experince. Fair wheather friends and good time charlies may be the norm but there is enough evidence of the other type of human for us to hope that our next manager maybe the one to lead us to glory.
Slurms McKenzie
On a completely unrealted matter, can anyone tell me why my Galxy tab 2 keeps throwing me out of Vital Spurs after about two minutes? it literally closes down internet explorer. Whats teh deqal with that. I mean it doesn't happen on any other site I vist so its not a browser issue. for example I can stay on "Big and Rubbery" all day no problem?
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms ... The point I was making was mainly aimed at football managers. Moyes put his hand up last weekend and said, ‘it was my fault’. That was commendable, but how many other managers say that ... not many because these days it would be career suicide, and managers are into self-preservation bigtime.
Geofspurs
But I guess the fault lies with the owners and chairmen who are very quick to pull the trigger at the slightest hiccup. Maybe Moyes knows his position is safe and therefore can put his hand up and take some of the blame.
Slurms McKenzie
Fanny, AVB is now the 4th highest paid manager in the world on 7.3m£ with zenit. Bigger and better things? Yes!
Dublin Hotspur
I think that's the truth of it. Sadly, I don't have much faith in people generally (seen too much) but I do in Spurs ... which is why I'll go for a 3-0 win on Sunday (surprise, surprise)!
Geofspurs
Ah my weekend can start now Geof!!!

Dublin wish I could fail like that!
Slurms McKenzie
Night all. :-)
Geofspurs
It looks like Vlad will be playing against the Woolwich, at WHL, for the under21's tonight.
MAN ON!
Ossie I would agree with Nabil going on loan - but I have serious doubts whether they system works for Spurs - record shows that. I would prefer him to stay at the club and get the experience here... I don't think any major criticism has been laid on him - it is the lack of the same opportunity given to others... if others has an equal share of long periods in the team - I think all would be good on Nabil,,,

What level has Livermore found - Premier League Football? - that's same as us ?!
Highgatespur
Geof, know you are asleep something for you to read ....
I noted that Moyes claimed that it was his fault yet some on the media said that was a sign of weakness ... SAF wouldn't have done it! I find that shocking... the media does control most things I think. So I do believe you are right there.
On the loan system, I suppose we can start saying goodbye to Coulthirst, he's off to Torquay - he's following on the footsteps of Obika - such a long trail of youngsters not making it through the system at Spurs!

Good night Geof.
Highgatespur
Came across this on the web - thought it was funny ... Pele10 might find it extra interesting.... LOL

http://www.footballfancast.com/premiership/tottenham/is-spurs-chairman-really-a-pin-up?
Highgatespur
Highgate - got me thinking. We have Coulthirst and Coulibaly aged 19, Kane is 20, Ceballos is 21, Obika 23 and Falque 24. Interesting that we treat them all as youngsters. Where exactly do we draw the line as comparing a 19 year old with a 23 year old hardly seems fair on the younger player? You're probably right though, the chance of any of them making it our very slim.
muttley
The fist 2 games of the season we had a killer midfield of Capoue, Paulinho and Dembele that no one could get past....it reminded me of 70s era Liverpool,..... then the Gooners figured out how to breach it and it seems we never revisited it....still would give the nod to Capoue based on those performances before he was moved to CD and then injured....Off topic, just had some pukka UK sausage rolls: taken for granted over your way, I'm sure, but food of the gods for us US Spuds! COYS!
Brown-Baker-Henry
As for Bentaleb, I've been impressed but do think he's been on the pitch too much. He keeps possession well but is a little sideways and backwards at the moment. He also leaves gaps defensively that more experienced players wouldn't leave and that has exposed our defence. I doubt I will get my wish this season of seeing Sandro, Paulinho and Eriksen playing behind Lamela, Chadli and Soldado.
muttley
Muttley - I just don't get all the euphoria about the development squad of late - all they seem to do is go out on a loan and another and another and then disappear! You raise a good point - if they think so highly of Falque - what the heck is he doing at La Liga?!!!
There does not seem to be any system after the age of 18 - well not that I have seen... We have been made to drool over the potential of so many youngsters in the past and then nothing... Just been once too many!

Nothing against the guy, I do think Nabil has been played too often - we shouldn't wait for him to play badly and then rest him. I do wish he'd pass to colleagues who are more than 10 yds away more often... as someone who sits next to me said he reminds him of Vinny Jones!! Now take your pick - Samways or Jones - the first name is the same!!! Anyway I see a future captain in him as a midfield general, almost box to box. He does need to venture away from halfway line ore often. He has the talent!

Your wish will come true next season hopefully!!!
Highgatespur
BBH I would agree with you - Capoue was great, then injury... I wouldn't say the goons figured us out - Capoue went off then and then we didn't see him for about 3 months only to be told to play with the DS! This season has been like an almost car crash... thankfully not a full one...

I do miss the US cinnamon rolls!!!
Highgatespur
Highgate- Hope Capoue stays, as him/Sandro is a great option for the df position, which seems to be the most susceptible to injury....hope we have Holtby/Paulinho as another pair option and Erksen/?/possibly Carrol/Falque (liked what little we've seen of him, seems bright, quick and inventive) for the 'creative'.....don't really know what Dembele's brief actually is, though he's generally reliable and occasionally brilliant.....think maybe he's carrying a persistent knock which renders him less efficient sometimes..............for me, though, I can't understand how Kyle Walker makes it into anyone's team choice, be it Spurs, England, or a combined xi.....vastly prefer Naughton and think both full-backs are easily our biggest most alarming weaknesses....after all, if Eriksen is given a roaming brief, don't we need an actual defending lb to block that route to our goal?..........Cinnamon rolls, yeah...tasty......but we can't get pukka pork sausages here (in the US), so actual sausage rolls (not the ones I make!) are a rare treat!
Brown-Baker-Henry
Back to the point of the very good article. Sorry to say but by the way most of our players have been playing this season, when not injured, I couldn't think of anyone apart from Lloris and maybe Ade getting into the mixed 11. There hasn't been any consistency from any of our outfield players and so do not deserve to be in it.
longtimespur
Can't wait until next season to see if we get a new manager and see what changes happen. If we keep Tim I doubt I will be that inspired and will probably find I will not invest too much time in the club because it will be a joke. We need a proper shake up but the new manager needs to know what he is doing and Levy needs to let him do it. I expect to see Rose, and soldado gone. Walker, lennon, dawson Paulinho, Townsend, Dembele fighting for their place, Bentaleb loaned out and some good quality LB, RB strikers coming in and a good season from lamela, Eriksen, Sandro and Capoue with possibly Ade going to cut wage bill, Livermore sold or loaned, Carrol back and a back up GK.
BeingIStoBe
Concur with the majority of that, Being....nice one.
Brown-Baker-Henry
BBH I really hope the squad stays intact with one or two reinforcements and one or two goodbyes.

I prefer Eriksen to be in a 'free' role in the middle... it'll be interesting to see what Walker's like on his return.. he's supposedly has been suffering from injury for a while... we'll see. I've time for him!
Don't know how Sunday is gonna go ... we'll just have to see. We've ben promised those capitulations are things of the past!!

Used to love going to the Redskins games when in Va. the atmosphere of the games although great are so different to the Spurs one!!

Take care mate.
Highgatespur
BBH - used to love going to the IHOP for Sunday brunch!!!!
Highgatespur
Ta, Highgate..you too!.......Funny, innit....me 'homesick' for sausage rolls, you for IHOP!......I do think the article points up a big problem re the combined picks but then again, I didn't have a hope against Man U last season away and we nicked it....maybe same for Sunday?...Sure hope so...COYS!
Brown-Baker-Henry
Yup will be there looking out for the same .... COYS!!!
Highgatespur
Second string lads did what the first teasers couldn't - winning 2-0 Coulibaly (pen) and Winks getting the goals - seems like Chriches played like Beckenbauer!!! COYS!!!
Highgatespur
*teamers (LOL!!!)
Highgatespur
Freudian slip! Or not HGH?
longtimespur
Bentaleb, neat and tidy, doesn't do much wrong, but does he do anything well? Is he a defensive midfielder? Too lightweight, much rather have Sandro or Capoue, is he an attacking midfielder? Much rather have Paulinho or Dembele. Is a No. 10? Much rather have Eriksen, Chadli or Siggi. Given a couple more years he may turn out to be a good player, time will tell, but to have played every game at the expense of seasoned internationals isn't good man management and naive coaching.
ItalianYiddo
The way they play sometimes - leaves it to own interpretation!!!
Highgatespur
Italian yiddo - did it prove the point of promoting the youngsters ? Shouldn't have been used as a pawn... watching SSN interesting item on there ....
Highgatespur
Definitely Highgate, that is pretty obvious to me.
ItalianYiddo
Oh dear....
Highgatespur
Highgate..we don't get SSN...is it a Spurs item?
Brown-Baker-Henry
If the officials do their jobs properly, Spurs WILL win on Sunday.
Hotspur 1882
BBH it was another heard to be believed interview from the boss> I'll try and send you a link...
Highgatespur
BBH - I can't seem to locate the whole interview - her's a snip.... enjoy

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/spurs-boss-tim-sherwood-questions-liverpools-mettle-for-the-title-run-in-video/?
Highgatespur
With Naughton and Rose, probably the worst pair of full backs in the League, and the slowest midfield going forward, you must be in Dreamland, Hotspur 1882. I'd be over the moon if we can scrape a draw. Park the bus and hit on the counter. But have we the players who can defend and attack with speed?
hiano
Ta, Highgate...maybe it's the distance but he doesn't bug me the way he obviously does so many on here....thanks for the link though....hope he's right...
Brown-Baker-Henry
BBH, Take care and have a good one!!
Highgatespur
you too...COYS
Brown-Baker-Henry
so we face the deadly strikeforce we could have had!...And for all those that blame Harry for not signing Suarez...perhaps we should look a little closer to home....yes according to Gullit the 'scouts' that went to see Suarez were Dim and Les....yes great at spotting a player! and some want to give them a budget in the summer??? lol
shedboy2
Shedboy, apparently Sherwood gas given levy his targets, all with prem experience, interesting to see who he targets considering he and les thought Suarez wasn't good enough.
Kong
According to Gullit, LVG to spurs is a done deal but you never know.
Kong
Walker and Rose ..in a combined team !!!!!!!!!!...I wouldn't put them in the Spurs team, at present !!!!!!! What a plonker....mr.Gullit..is.......
82spursdebut
rudd gullit is a known bullshatter,i dont know if he is trying to make himself look good
ghulamville
Off topic....sorry, But must mention P'M' Lasogga (Hamburg / H'Berlin)...Looks a Promising Young Striker.
82spursdebut
OMG!!

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/9237730/premier-league-tim-sherwood-has-given-tottenham-chairman-transfer-list-for-next-season
Snippet from the above link:

"I've given him (Levy) a list of players of who I want for next year," Sherwood said. "You need to start looking, this is the time. The chairman's got a list of the players who I would like."

"There is a list of players and if you get one you don't need to get the other. There are four or five are on there."
Critical_Spur
Tweet tweet.. It's good old Birdy coming through. Good morning spuddies, ;-)
Birdz
I doubt very much, any kind of "In or Out", lists ..exist, at the moment. Due to the Fact that the season has not finished yet.
82spursdebut
It's not that they didn't think Suarez was good enough, it's been said that they felt him to be a player in the same role as Van der Vaart and were looking for an out and out striker to partner VdV. Then again, in 2010 it was also reported that he turned down a move to Spurs from Ajax because he wasn't ready to leave. Believe what you will.
MAN ON!
Can't be a list of players in and out. Who would play for Tim if he's already ousted them.

Netherlands great Ruud Gullit says that Tottenham Hotspur will appoint his countryman Louis Van Gaal this summer to replace Tim Sherwood as manager. Van Gaal has already revealed that he will step down as coach of Holland at the end of the season, with his replacement set to be Guus Hiddink. Gullit claims that Spurs chairman Daniel Levy has already met with Van Gaal, and that as far as he was concerned everything was in place. "I know for sure the chairman of Tottenham was at Van Gaal's house," Gullit told the BBC. "I think it's a done deal, but you never know."
please be true!!!
Dublin Hotspur
If they (AVB/Baldini/Levy)..thought Saurez would be a good buy....they could have made a £40mill' plus £2....offer, last summer.....with the Bale money.
82spursdebut
Media gossip is just that... Gossip. Who cares what Gullit says? I certainly don't, "but you never know." - My girlfriends sister said that her friends brother said that his wife's Argentinian cousin said that Messi is........
MAN ON!
82spursdebut, I thank God they didn't make an offer for him....
MAN ON!
I doubt, their are any Done Deals, as yet. I think "Gullit"...hasn't realised that VanGaal....is set to replace Baldini !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...lol
82spursdebut
lol man on!! True true!
Dublin Hotspur
I would despair at seeing the Suarez specimen in a Spurs shirt.
Hotspur 1882
Bill Nicholson would turn in his grave at the sight of the Suarez specimen in a Spurs shirt.
Hotspur 1882
Sorry at work yesterday..... Man On if we lose to Liverpool we have nothing serious to play for this year but if we can get our act together next season could be different,, as Tim said he'd love to set his team up properly but doesn't have time as it's a results business and has to go for win every match. If we do lose to Liverpool tomorrow he will have time and I hope he makes the most. Apart from Paulinho we haven't been fair to any of our new signings, not many have had a good run, and none in their preferred position... Would much prefer us to invest in them than buy 7 more starting from scratch again.

Highgate ol' DL has done a lot of squirming this season, his after match hosting skills would have been tested to the limit... Good luck up there tomorrow mate.
T.H.F.Chris
Crritical - it was quite a performance when he said to the press... that 'straight' face must have taken so much effort - should be given an emmy or an oscar!!!
Highgatespur
Hotspur 1882... He would.
MAN ON!
For me, the Europa cup....is.....still worth participating in. We played 12 entertaining games in the competition this season......equivalent to reaching two domestic cup finals (appx').
82spursdebut
THFChris - the season's not over even if we fail to get a point tomorrow - it all depends on goners and bluescousers .... who knows...
Really hoping that all that needs to be done for a fresh start for the new season is in place....
I hear Barnet are searching for a shopping list (last seen in Borehamwood's Asda)

As usual getting pschyed up for the game - could the improbable happen?! No matter, I'll enjoy hearing all the songs about manure from the readscousers... their inspiration....
Highgatespur
I cant wait for the day when we can all talk about the Tottenham team and the success we are enjoying, instead of the constant speculation about what that total joke of a Fantasy Football apprentice chairman is going to do next with the club we LOVE! Who will Levy appointment as his next short term coach? Which players will he buy in the summer? Which star players will he sale? When will he build the stadium? That's what the majority do on here, try to work out what is going on in the mind of the chairman who has the worst trophy per season percentage of any THFC chairman since world war 2! In contrast at Liverpool, the fans talk about Brendan Rodgers and the team they are enjoying, whilst John Hendry the Liverpool boss stays out of the limelight, backs his coach and gets on with the Anfield stadium rebuild. LEVY/LEWIS OUT!!!
Pele10
Hotspur are you sure mate, he's the best player in the league and one of the most hard working and loyal (when on the pitch) strikers Ive seen. When losing 3-0 and down to 9 men he kept running and chasing us all game. Him and Bake together could have won us the league.
T.H.F.Chris
*wasnt refering to Bill Nick, personally I can't afford his class
T.H.F.Chris
Crunch match of the season. Man You will catch us if we lose 5-0 today. Anything less than 5-0 will be a bonus, a draw will be a miracle. WE must not let Man You overtake us!!!
wentworth
Pele10. In fairness, that's what many football fans all over the wold speculate about. (Not about Levy of course).
MAN ON!
Pele10 - hope you enjoyed the link...

Ever since I have been a Spurs supporter the managerial revolving door has always been in use unfortunately... Really can't blame Levy/Lewis for all that's happened on a regular basis since 1974! It's almost seems like a culture.There's a lot of blame to be put on the dynamic duo but not that....

You almost sound like a L'pool fan... just rewind to last year and remember what was happening there then ?
Highgatespur
Here's the latest genius offering from our 'manager'. You're gonna love this!!.

Ben Pearce @BenPearceSpurs

#thfc Quote that Spurs fans WON'T like: "To be honest, I've not watched them [Liverpool] that closely."................

Happy to help, cheers all.
coopsieyid
Highgate there is a good chance we'd have to make up 7 points in 6 games against TWO teams, even if we beat Liverpool it'll be really difficult.
Mathematically we can still win the league but it ain't gonna happen, likewise we have to win Sunday for any chance at forth imho..
T.H.F.Chris
T.H.F.Chris, I agree...
MAN ON!
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coopsieyid
THFChris - I would rather not have him.....
Highgatespur
Oh and for those in doubt, he (Ben Pearce) is a real journo and is almost always right on Spurs.
coopsieyid
Is it just me? I can't see anything wrong with Sherwood's latest interview.
MAN ON!
Coopsie - you must have missed the tv bit and the clip I sent to BBH - have a look! Cringeville. Anyway it was a nice week while it lasted!
Highgatespur
Tim is, probably, watching videos of Liverpool, today.
82spursdebut
82spursdebut the list must exist as DL got given it ... you are not suggesting tha it was screwed up and in the bin straight away ... surely not?!
Highgatespur
Highgatespur.....No, he gave it to me....would you like me to read it to you ?
82spursdebut
Dublin, the visit did happen - it was confirmed by van Gaal was it not ? I'm right there with your plea!!! Anyone with successful experience will do...

looking forward to the two rival flags and I thought we Spurs fans were the impatient ones....
Highgatespur
82spursdebut are you then a confidant of Daniel Levy ? Watch out for Pele10 then...
Highgatespur
Highgatespur....you nearly read my mind...........the note said, Dear Mr.Levy....Please would you sign over all control of THFC interests to me. When you have done so, I would like to shake your hand and wave you goodbye, goodbye. "one out...and one to follow" >>>>> Pele 10...!!!!
82spursdebut
SpursU18 v LFC on SSP now...0-0
Highgatespur
Gossip, Gossip, Gossip,

Are just words to sway a fool,

But, come the season's end my friends,

The voice of truth will rule!

It's all just make believe
Geofspurs
Good one 82spursdebut

been watching it 10 mins ... all but 30secs with the Spurs defending.... can't bear the commentators - news to warm some of the hearts on here... RB for Spurs a kid called Kyle Walker (it's a double barrelled name can't get the second part)!!!
Highgatespur
Good morning/evening Geof, So is the rumour that Sherwood is going to be retained as the manager/coach next year is just to sway us fools then .... mind you it's only coming from one voice! LOL
Highgatespur
Geofspurs. Not long to wait... I can't wait for tomorrow. Looks like I'm gonna have to....
MAN ON!
fantastic interview from Tim, yeah raddish the challenge, then lets talk about me when i was a player and big L'pool up, oh well I hope the rumours are true and LVG is a done deal. Tim gave Levy a transfer list, need a young goalkeeper like Bentaleb, need a left back like Bentaleb, need a new centre back like Bentaleb, need right winger like Bentaleb, need a striker like Bentaleb, need a new coach driver like Bentaleb, Levy asked him are you building a team around Bentaleb, not really boss just that I trust him and I have to keep playing him, Levy; but if you keep playing him by the time his 21 years old his knees will be cream crackered.
spu 4 life
spu 4 life.....do you think Adebayor, with his sore heal, will play tomorrow ?
82spursdebut
Kyle Walker-Peters...
Highgatespur
I think Ryan Fredericks....shouldbe promoted, for next season....and we sell Kyle Walker, to help fund 2 new strikers.
82spursdebut
1-0! Spurs; Joe Pritchard set up by a cross by Kyle Walker-Peters!!!!
Highgatespur
Highgatespur, tells us, "Really can't blame Levy/Lewis for all that's happened on a regular basis since 1974!" What are you saying Highgate? That things were just as bad in the 70's and 80's? I don't get what your implying because between 1971 and 1984 (a season less than ENIC have owned THFC) Spurs won two FA Cups, Two EUFA Cups, made it to another European final, and won two League Cups... In contrast in the 14 seasons that LOSER Levy has run THFC he has achieved the personal honor of having himself the WORST trophy per season percentage of any THFC chairman since world war 2, just 1 League Cup in 14 seasons and not a single FA Cup or European final reached. Give up ENIC apologists... ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
Adebayor? I thought he had a sore knee, has it shifted to his heal? At least it's working it's way down, no idea 82spursdebut. We might surprise everyone and come away with something 3pts would be good.
spu 4 life
He'll be well gone by then spu4life, for the England post.... blame it on all the others it wasn't his fault.... good post Spu4life LOL
Highgatespur
He got a cut on his heal. Seems I cured you of "Bentaleb fever"
82spursdebut
Evening fellow fanatics! High ..don’t know if you’ve noticed but I keep trying to start a rumour that Levy is negotiating with Real to bring Modric back to the Lane ... but, unfortunately the rumour has not gone viral so it won’t happen unless enough people pick up on it! Well, might as well start a useful rumour, a?
Geofspurs
We have the best scouts in the land running our team ha ha ,,,,,Boy scouts that is :)

Ruud Gullit has also blamed Tim Sherwood for Tottenham’s failure to sign Luis Suarez, before the Uruguayan joined Liverpool.

‘They came to watch him,’ said Gullit.

‘I met Sherwood together with Les Ferdinand, they were Harry Redknapp’s assistants at the time and were also his scouts.

‘They asked me all kinds of questions about Suarez, so I just point blank said: “You have to snap him up, without any hesitation, in a heartbeat.”

‘“Well, we’re not sure,” they said whilst they actually watched him play.

‘Afterwards they said to me: “Well, we might have got it wrong.”’
Fanny adams
MAN ON ... How ya doing? Midnight KO for me tomorrow. As always I’m intrigued to find out what the team will be. I thought by now that we’d have at least 7 or 8 players who automatically get selected. Not so! ... I’m battling to think of 3 or 4. All I can come up with, whatever the team is, is a 3-0 win for us. Guess that’ll have to do! COYS
Geofspurs
Must be about time to watch Benteke score a hat-trick against United. That would be a good start to the EPL weekend.
Geofspurs
Pele10 you must have mis read my comment
br>Ever since I have been a Spurs supporter the managerial revolving door has always been in use unfortunately... Really can't blame Levy/Lewis for all that's happened on a regular basis since 1974! It's almost seems like a culture.There's a lot of blame to be put on the dynamic duo but not that....

Just to clarify the managerial revolving door has been there for a long while

I certainly remember those glorious days - I am certain we were both there ! Btw there were 10 (ten) managers in the 13 years preceding your mates... I am getting to point of saying enough is enough of ENIC - but I feel all will be sorted if DL moved away from the footballing side and then I feel the footballing side will be sorted and then the financial wizard will sort out the stadium et al!!!!

Did you like the clip I sent ?

Highgatespur
Still 1-0 to U18s (injury time) - the commentators are so funny! Hope someone is watching to "inspire" the first team for tomorrow!!!
Highgatespur
Very very worrying reports in both the major tabloids this morning that Sherwood has submitted a transfer wish list for the summer window, suggesting that as far as he is concerned he will be in charge next season. I would implore Levy and his cohorts not to make yet another horrendous mistake in manager selection, in fact potentially the most far reaching and seriously flawed of all of them, by persevering with Sherwood. It was originally "Hobson's choice" after AVB's departure, without a pre-arranged replacement in place, but the summer will offer the opportunity to right the situation, to compound the error would be a disaster. Apparently Sherwood says he wants PL leaders, so who would we realistically expect to recruit, to replace the more skillful players who he would need to shift out to make room. The real leaders in the PL won't come, in reality given his apparent football mentality, we should expect the "2nd tier" leaders to be on his list, the likes of Shawcross, Cattermole, Adam, Nolan, and Barry to replace those who will seek a move away if Sherwood is confirmed, players like Paulinho, Vertonghen, Lloris, Capoue, and possibly Sandro and perhaps Eriksen. We will go from playing the attractive, attacking, fluent football, for which we were famous, but which we have been prevented from playing, under both Sherwood and his predecessor Villas Boaz, to scrapping and battling for results a la Stoke City under Pullis, not a great prospect. This is the likely transition if we persevere with Sherwood, rather than recruit a proven experienced winner of a manager, to take the club forward, somebody of the ilk of LVG, Mancinni, or De Boer would be more appropriate. Sherwood needs a spell at the likes of Brentford, or MK Dons or the like, to learn his trade, and hone his skills. Alternatively if he swallowed his pride, he would benefit from a spell as asst. to one of the aforementioned managers at Spurs, but it seems his ego might hinder this.
Frank
Geof, hopefully that rumour of yours will come up to fruition soon along with his mate Bale!!!

The one I tried to start in 2012 that Pep Gardiola was heading for Spurs is still waiting to come true... hopefully these two attempts of ours pale into the shadows in their impossibility by the present one started by Sherwood!!! I'm really hoping so !!!

Villa 1-0 ..."cheer up David Moyes oh what can it be ...."

LFC 0 THFC 1!!!! COYS!!!
Highgatespur
Sherwood gave Levy a list of the people he wants in.......

Daniel Levy gave Sherwood a list of people he wants out.........

Tim Sherwood & Les Ferdinand names were on it,,:)
Fanny adams
Frank, I applaud you for putting the nightmare scenario in words... maybe helpful to those who still believe it's worth a chance in giving TS a go!

What a horrid scenario!!!!

COYS!!!!
Highgatespur
Frank - spot on. Sherwood ego was apparently as soon as the job came vacant, he allowed it to dominate rather than be more humble and voice the truth iof the matter that he hasn't got enough experience for a club fighting for CL. he should have said that and said it would be a honour to manage us but for the love and benefit of the club I rule myself out as I am not ready, I need to learn my trade. But no, he allowed his ego to convince him and line his pocket and tell the world he can do it.

Yes we scored a few more goals and yes we attacked more but the performances have been poor, tactics poor and motivation for most games poor. he has not been convincing and imo shouldn't have taken the job and now summer has to be the time Levy gets it right.

We have good players but not the right balance in the squad and we have a few players that are not progressing in fact some have got worse. The coaching is below par it must be for players to be standing still or getting worse. Injuries too many, shake up is needed but I don't think it should mean loads of players coming in and going, it means a manager that has done it and a few changes in personnel but more improvement in coaching and work on the training pitch that is then translated on the pitch in match games.

If Tim is our manager next season then we have no chance of progression or seeing any good football.
BeingIStoBe
We gave a young foreign manager a go......and now we give 18 months to a Young English winner. Rightly or wrongly.......he deserves a decent chance, now he is here. He made decent decisions...at the correct time vs..Southampton. I say, judge him after one full season.
82spursdebut
Geofspurs. I'm good thanks. Yourself? Only 3-0!?
MAN ON!
82 .. Makes sense to me!
Geofspurs
Fanny i like that one ;)
T.H.F.Chris
82spursdebut - Spurs are too big/good to take that risk....
Highgatespur
Agree with you THFChris
Highgatespur
82 I am all for giving people a chance but is Sherwood really going to take it. After the failed AVB experiment surely we deserved more guaranteed success i.e. a prove manager. Harry was the only appointment that really got me excited, could have been so much better had he been given cash and not been such a media socialite. I can't see Sherwood attracting the one or two big names we need to take us to the next level, nor so far have I seen him made any good tactical decisions in the big games, the ones that count. I don't want to go back to the Jol era when we beat most the little teams but won 1 in 16 against the top 4, and nor does Levy mate, Sherwood has still got a chance but he really has to go some in the last 7 games to prove it.
T.H.F.Chris
coopsieyid- so Tim hasn't watched Liverpool closely.... well that doesn't surprise me as he didn't know our players when he took over yet he is at the ground and work for us how long!
BeingIStoBe
I wonder if Tim thinks he can win tomorrow. I'm sure he believes the team can.
MAN ON!
why the f has Vital spurs just told me I can get broccoli for £2.29 per kg at Morrison, I will never buy a kilogram of broccoli!!
T.H.F.Chris
Are they ?.....any change is a risk. "calculated risks" are part and parcel of everything. I haven't seen or heard any discontentment or rumblings from any spurs players, since Tim and co' took over. But knowing football....I'm "Guessing"..anything below 6th, won't do.
82spursdebut
82spursdebut.. TS is not liked. It's because he's a born loser and destined to fail. It's not personal, it's a fact.
MAN ON!
Born loser !?......I thought we Beat Southampton, in the last game.
82spursdebut
82spursdebut - probably should have added "too much" to my comment. I noted a few weeks ago that no players have come out with any rumblings to show their professionalism... I wish that professionalism was showing more wins!

Hopefully the players will play and win for the club and its supporters tomorrow...

Highgatespur
82spursdebut.. So!
MAN ON!
Sounds like the players are giving him a decent chance....and so should we.
82spursdebut
We were lucky...
MAN ON!
In the likelihood of EA not being available tomorrow - Kane or Soldado up front or a 4-6-0 formation ?
Highgatespur
Southampton have a young foreign manager....personally, I wouldn't be a happy soton fan...or tax payer....to hear my manager not speaking English, in my job.
82spursdebut
Huh ? 82spursdebut ... perhaps that's only for the cameras ... hard to think how he has done well without the communication skills besides not speaking English ? perhaps.... nope we've tried that in Ramos!!
Highgatespur
4,4,1,1........Chadli behind Addy' / Soldado...........Eriksen left side, Townsend rightside.
82spursdebut
82spursdebut. Neither you or I seem to understand. When the team plays like they don't care, it's the fault of the manager. When the manager complains about this and the players play well and start to show some winning spirit, it has nothing to do with the manager. In fact it's in spite of him. It's a very simple logic and I do like the simple things in life... I must be simple.
MAN ON!
High'....sorry, wasn't quite what I meant......as a soton fan watching, I'd be disappointed, if my manager gave interviews in a foreign language. Tax payer......when people pass our criteria to work in this country. whilst doing their work.....I would expect them to speak English. I think "Potch"...is being crafty to the paying public .....as he does speak good English.
82spursdebut
Think I'll have to report myself for self-abuse. LOL!
MAN ON!
82spursdebut... don't know about Townsend really... the defensive side of the team is going to be crucial... one of the best thing of recent times was the team selection v Chelski - thought it threw Borinho big time - till that self destruction button was hit with Mega force!

Anyway I'll wait for the surprise when the stadium announcer announces when I get there!!!
Highgatespur
Man on......yes, I understand that thought process....but if I were a manager, I would give encouragement speeches on trying achieve big memories (semi's, finals)..winning things, to show the kids, grandkids....leaving legacies...and that every game has a say in building towards this. ..i.e....every game counts.
82spursdebut
82spursdebut - I think he speaks English to the press/players/supporters but just not on the telly... I don't think they are that bothered beyond Soton! Think he has done a great job against all odds - remembering all the flak from the media and fans against Adkins' firing...

Highgatespur
High'...yes, your prob' right....but imo, that is part of his job. To me, he is cheating the public and criteria, that allowed him into this country. Maybe, Tim should employ a comedian, to do his tv interviews. We would laugh....even if it was ...their to fool the public. But, personally, I like that the spurs manager gives his full attention to the public.
82spursdebut
82spursdebut I suppose one can say that why an interpreter is there whereas he's confident enough to speak English to the players himself... it doesn't make that much difference to me... But I wouldn't employ a comedian where there is one already!!!
Highgatespur
Saw that coming....lol
82spursdebut
MAN ON ... behave yourself! lol
Geofspurs
Tim Sherwood is not a born loser as he captained Blackburn Rovers to English premiership title against some fantastic teams.

Tims problem is he is a good player that cannot make the transition to manager,he`s out of his depth.

I`m actually starting to believe that being a good manager takes a special breed of character.Being a good manager you have to be born with these qualities as you cannot learn them,like being a pro player you either have it or you don`t.
As much as it is a gift to be a great footballer which take nothing away,Sherwood was,but it`s also a born gift to become a successful manager.

There`s something about successful managers that separates them from the rest of mankind,they`re not normal regular people,they have something.
Tim believes he has it,but he needs to be told he does not.
Mourinho,Pelegrinni,Benitez,Van Gaal,Cappello,Wenger,Ferguson etc are a different breed.

Take a look at Pep Guardiola,How does he manage to first make Barcelona almost invincible,then goes & does the same to Bayern Munich.Something in great managers that noone else has.

Sherwood manages like someone who knows about football,same with Paul Ince,Stuart Pearce & Ian Dowie etc,born leaders on the pitch,but as managers?It`s just not the same ball game.None are failures.........until they became managers
Fanny adams
Fanny, of course it is true that to be a successful manager in football or any other business, you have to have certain qualities that are either in you or not. These include leadership, people management, confidence in your own and your teams ability, to be ruthless when necessary, show a mature approach including humility and understanding where necessary,correct decision making, not accepting or making excuses, a single minded determination to succeed, a reluctance to take personal credit for success, rather praising the team, never criticising members of the team in public, always conducting yourself in a manner doing both yourself, and your group credit. If we are taking score, Sherwood ain't doing very well is he.
Frank
fu[k you Chelsea !!
T.H.F.Chris
PAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCEEEEEEEE !!
T.H.F.Chris
Well, Harry always went on about that his scouts had told him that Suarez could not play as a lone striker. Sturridge is another who got away apparently.

It's a bit worrying though that Tim's "assistant" was Les, himself a striker.

Some may question Gullit on this and why he's coming out with the thing now. But then again, why should he make it up. Btw, had Suarez signed for Spurs back then he's most probably been partnering Bale at Real M. anyway.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ng-Luis-Suarez-Spurs-reveals-Ruud-Gullit.html

Sherwood blew the chance of bringing Suarez to Spurs, reveals Gullit
By Sam Cunningham
PUBLISHED: 22:00 GMT, 28 March 2014 | UPDATED: 22:00 GMT, 28 March 2014

Ruud Gullit has revealed that Tim Sherwood turned down the chance to sign Luis Suarez when the striker was at Ajax.

Sherwood’s Tottenham will come up against Suarez, now one of the most feared forwards in world football, when they play title challengers Liverpool on Sunday.

But, according to Gullit, Sherwood went on a scouting mission to see the Uruguayan in Holland before he moved to Merseyside and spurned the opportunity to buy him.

‘They came to watch him,’ the former Chelsea player said.

‘I met Sherwood together with Les Ferdinand, they were Harry Redknapp’s assistants at the time and were also his scouts.

‘They asked me all kinds of questions about Suarez, so I just point blank said: “You have to snap him up, without any hesitation, in a heartbeat.”

‘“Well, we’re not sure,” they said whilst they actually watched him play.

‘That’s a huge mistake, if you ask me. Afterwards they said to me: “Well, we might have got it wrong.”’

Hmm!! Pulis for Tottenham!! Cheers and bye :-)
coopsieyid
This is awesome because if Suarez wasn't good enough for Timeh imagine how good Nabil's going to be!
coopsieyid
Frank - could you mentor our man in charge please!
Highgatespur
Coopsie - these are all made up - TS deserves a chance - A chance in Borehamwood to show off his skills - they have a league team there!!
Highgatespur
Nabil aspires to be the Algerian Xavi!!! He can make it - as long as he manages to loosen from the man in charge's influence!!!
Highgatespur
If Sherwood is too crude, lacks 'class' and all the rest of it, then what should we make of Suarez? He should be banned from playing in the PL for all his ignorant, animal antics.
MAN ON!
Agree re Chelsea, Chris. LOL @ Ars as well. he he
jerkinmahjurgen
True to say we're learning about Tims' preferred criteria when looking at players. Suarez, on top of being from outside the Prem had also sustained at least one long ban due to his behavior. I'm hoping it was more his character than being in a foreign league. Word suggests they didn't think he could play up on his own, which isn't too bad an assessment, is it? He's 10 times better in a 442.
jerkinmahjurgen
Jerk, in agreement LOL
Highgatespur
Jerk, I remember ole 'Arry saying him and VdV were too similar and VdV was better suited to PL. Hopefully we won't need to know what his preferences are!
Highgatespur
If we win tomorrow we'll be 10pts from 1st. Not bad, considering... Not that we'll win tomorrow, lol. We shall put our prettiest dress on and gush over catching flowers. Even if we lose, we're not far away. Hate to see us click... Just goes to show, if we had for half a season we'd have challenged. We could've won it this year. I mean, look at Liverpool?
jerkinmahjurgen
Even though I grew fond of Harry, I still worried about his choice of targets. I have to say I feel the same about Tim. He'll go for the Shane Longs and such, which doesn't hit the nail on the head, for me, as plenty of foreigners can be motivated and show desire. And are often, sad to say, better footballers. When the market is global, you can't really afford to only use 5% of it. But I'm being unfair judging he who has yet to make a signing. All we know is we willingly bypassed a Jan window. Now I understand our squad is still settling as it is but we're not talking another 7 signings here. Just a left-back, maybe? So no good'n's available? None needed? Rose the man? BAE back in? We shall see, I suppose.
jerkinmahjurgen
Jerk, I was very hopeful that we might do it this year... and although didn't have much time for the man - I think we shoulda stuck by AVB till the end of season at least.
He was trying to change things (defence and closing down) Not attractive but effective... I thought
For me there has been minimal change since December so why the sacking ? Anyway it's all in the past... I do hope we click tomorrow...

I don't care much to see what buys the man in charge would like... all this xenophobic notions into buying for the club... for me it's xenophobia - it is a global game as you say. I despair ... btw I didn't want that scoundrel Saurez to come to Spurs anyway - he's nasty....Please no BAE back either... No Rose; so a new signing will do as I think fryers is a CB... anyway enjoy the game tomorrow - hopefully it'll be a good one for us Spurs!! COYS!
Highgatespur
Suarez isn't fit to play in the white shirt of Tottenham Hotspur.
Hotspur 1882
Agreed
Highgatespur
Rose at LB I wouldn't give him the number 3 shirt in a combined Spurs first XI v Second XI let alone against Liverpool. Great article otherwise!
Clivetheyid
I guess Tragic is hoping for a Spurs loss before returning tonVS with his usual meat head mentality. Well done the eagles! COYS!
James1
Suarez,best player in the league
Fanny adams
Suarez biggest cheat in the league.
Hotspur 1882
Not content with diving to con a free kick to 'earn' the last goal; Suarez dives theatrically as the ball is goal bound.. That pantomime followed his despicable play acting, after he left his foot in on Lloris, then feigned injury in case the ref had seen it.
Hotspur 1882
FA
WHo the hell do you think you are to censor peoples views on here?
Hotspur 1882
Hotspur 1882
who do you think you are to have a with hunt on the EPL`s best player?
I bet you hate it when Liverpools black players join him in celebration.If he was a racist they wouldn`t do that so get over it already
Fanny adams
Oh and thank you for your measured and intelligent response.
Hotspur 1882
Well done. You are now making up rubbish about what I hate. Nobody mentioned racism. But you have highlighted one of his past problems. Why bring that up? As far as I am aware, that was sorted out a long time ago.
Hotspur 1882
Fanny adams
End of conversation. You have a track record for this sort of thing.
Hotspur 1882
Hotspur 1882 oh really,just because you got done.I know what you were implying regarding Suarez & it pi$$es you off
Fanny adams
Sherwood, much like Moyes, needs your support, true love and caring; this funny phase will pass and he'll win you lot The Treble soon. He's a champion and proved that @Blackburn. So, keep the faith you unwashed spuddies, okay? Little Sherwood rocks; he will rock you. #SherwoodIn
HGH Magic
Germs1, obviously you missed me lol
HGH Magic
 

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