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From an 11 point gap last season, Liverpool already hold a 12 point cushion this season, which is expected to rise this weekend, and there are still six games remaining after this weekend.

So what has actually happened to alter the status of both sides? Is it really just a case of Liverpool`s SAS strike partnership or perhaps a lack of European football? Surely not!

Last season Liverpool were looking to build something and at times struggled to find that system to shine and show consistency. Occasionally brilliant, but too often terrible. Spurs were also quite often terrible, but relied on the brilliance of Bale to win games and secure a record number of points. Were we a one man team, whilst Liverpool looked at the bigger picture?

This has got me thinking of one of my favourite questions I ask opposition supporters, and that is what would be your combined team, when looking at both squads. For Spurs and Liverpool, it paints a grim outlook for me.

If I compare several positions, Liverpool easily take the attacking places, not only with the two strikers, but perhaps in their support as well. Eriksen might be at least on a par with Sterling and Coutinho, but the gap is hardly wide, and we know there is pace and instant understanding with the Liverpool players.

In midfield, can Spurs beat a two of Gerrard and Henderson? Not for me. Perhaps we should talk up Nabil Bentaleb… In defence, I am guessing this is our best chance of nicking places. However the gap between picks in minor, either in overall quality or because current form dictates that Spurs players are under performing.

In goal, Lloris is superb, but is Simon Mignolet that far behind? Also is he a keeper to take less risks? I give the place to Hugo, but only just. At right back, I just go with Walker over Johnson, but is my heart ruling my head?

At centre back, I am going with Skrtel and Vertonghen, but that is based on Jan`s quality as opposed to his form this season. At left back, Is Danny Rose playing better than make shift LB Jon Flanagan, whilst if fit is Jose Enrique better that all of them. That is of course also stating that LB is considered a weak link at Anfield.

So with a heavy heart, I would go with a combined team of; Lloris - Walker, Skrtel, Vertonghen, Rose - Gerrard, Henderson, Paulinho - Eriksen - Suarez, Sturridge. In reality all the Spurs selections are so close to call, whilst the Liverpool ones are pretty much nailed on. I have selected Paulinho more out of potential to fit into a team and system as opposed to his disappointing displays this season, but also was there that much of a choice elsewhere?

When I look at my selection it slightly confuses me, as I have a 6-5 ratio in favour of Spurs, but is that more heart over head or does it actually back up the theory that we are playing well below our potential, whilst Liverpool just have two outstanding strikers to make the difference. Somehow, despite my rose tinted selection, it just doesn`t ring true to me...



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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Friday March 28 2014
Time: 10:55AM

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Spurs 5-0! COYS!
James1
28/03/2014 10:59:00
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I make our squad ability pretty much on par with Liverpool's, however desire, teamwork and player management Liverpool are streaks ahead. Nearly all of there players share the same desire to win games as the fans, looking into the eyes of some our players cant say I see the same. But yes, also having the most deadly strike force in Europe does help.
coys1717
28/03/2014 11:06:00
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Totally behind you James.

Amazingly how quickly we talk down ours after a good season yet with others they become world class!!! COYS!!!!
Highgatespur
28/03/2014 11:07:00
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vertonghen?ahead of agger
ghulamville
28/03/2014 11:10:00
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paulinho?
ghulamville
28/03/2014 11:11:00
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OxfordSpur.. It has to be Soldado and Ade for me, above choosing Suarez and Sturridge....
MAN ON!
28/03/2014 11:12:00
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Way below our potential!
Slurms McKenzie
28/03/2014 11:14:00
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i think going on this season only lloris may displace mignloet
ghulamville
28/03/2014 11:15:00
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Lloris, naughton, vlad, jan, anyone but rose, sandro, capoue, eriksen, lamela, chadli, Robbie.
Dublin Hotspur
28/03/2014 11:17:00
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But if I had to pick some bindippers,
Lloris, Johnson, vlad, jan, anyone but rose, sandro, Gerard, eriksen, lamela, Suarez, robbie
Dublin Hotspur
28/03/2014 11:19:00
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Mingolet, never inspires confidence! We have a stronger back four if we would only letthem play in a defensive position as opposed to a second row of midfielders! Liverpool are devastating going forward but calamitous defensively. We are inept offensively and suicidal defensively. Liverpool to shade it 3-2 again!
Slurms McKenzie
28/03/2014 11:20:00
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Dublin that second eleven is pretty awesome on paper...like the spurs squad in general!
Slurms McKenzie
28/03/2014 11:21:00
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Nice article ox. Gets you thinking!
what it's done for me is highlight in my mind what a great squad we have on paper, but haven't seen them play together or hit form together enough to make fair judgement. On paper I'd take a first 11 from our squad any day.
Dublin Hotspur
28/03/2014 11:22:00
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Coys1717, spot on re the reasons for Liverpool's success. However I would argue that although squad wise there is little to choose, when we look at the comparison between first XIs when all fit, I have to say that up front, and in MF they are superior, and at the back there is little to choose. The big difference is their team selection, set up, players knowing and adhering to a club playing system and ethic, and the manager/coach who knows who he wants in the team and why, how he wants his team to play, how to stop the opposition from playing, and the bloody minded determination to impose themselves on the opposition, and over power them. Their strengths are almost exactly our weaknesses.
Frank
28/03/2014 11:22:00
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Football's a funny old game Saint ,no game was ever one on paper.If Sunderland almost got a draw then we could win on Sunday!That's logical innit?
Greavesaboveall
28/03/2014 11:23:00
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An all time ScouserSpurs team would be something to drool over...
MAN ON!
28/03/2014 11:25:00
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Dublin , I echo what you are saying about our squad. I've been thinking like this all year long - all we seem to be missing is an appropriately skilled coach... the two we have had this year have been well below par IMO.
Highgatespur
28/03/2014 11:27:00
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Frank great post in reply to Coys1717.

Great article Ox
Highgatespur
28/03/2014 11:32:00
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Frank great post in reply to Coys1717.

Great article Ox
Highgatespur
28/03/2014 11:32:00
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Frank if we had appointed Rodgers as opposed to AVB and he had the same season with us last year as he did with Liverpool, I don't think he would have been our coach for this season. I think that is where Spurs problems have been for years!
Slurms McKenzie
28/03/2014 11:33:00
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Good post frank. In a nutshell!
greaves. Re Sunderland nearly getting a draw we should on paper beat Liverpool! Yes. Funny but true! Sunderland, or Gus to be precise figured how to stall pools play. Most of their attacks begin from the back( like AVB a plan as I saw it), but Sunderland left their two forwards with the pool centre backs through the entire game and closed off that channel. Clever. I hope Tim was watching, because if we can do the same we can get them on the break more easily and win the game! On paper!
Dublin Hotspur
28/03/2014 11:34:00
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Liverpool's defence is possibly the only one in the Premiership that is worse than ours,so I say go for all out attack and may the worse defence lose!Audere est Facere.
Greavesaboveall
28/03/2014 11:34:00
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Frank. spot on. Plus Rodgers was given time to implement his style of play. Liverpool finished seventh last season. What would happen if our manager ever finished seventh??
jonathan01
28/03/2014 11:35:00
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Jonathon, we might find out shortly!
Dublin Hotspur
28/03/2014 11:38:00
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Snap Jonathan01
Slurms McKenzie
28/03/2014 11:38:00
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Dublin , is that being realistic or just hoping about the learning... really hope it's the latter.
Highgatespur
28/03/2014 11:41:00
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A good manager, given a longterm view, with our squad ( except rose of course) we should be thereabouts. A great manager + a plan + a great squad x execution = success!!! We are only missing 2 of the 3 elements, and it's not the squad.
Dublin Hotspur
28/03/2014 11:42:00
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Dublin Hotspur.. Trouble is that Spurs have not been quick or effective enough on the counter this season...
MAN ON!
28/03/2014 11:42:00
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We are all going around the main issue aren't we ? Peel10 is accurate with half of him aim... as it were!!!
Highgatespur
28/03/2014 11:43:00
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Dublin, think the plan has been there!!!
Highgatespur
28/03/2014 11:44:00
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That's true man on, but on paper it's possible!
highgate, the latter.
Dublin Hotspur
28/03/2014 11:46:00
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"Coulndn't care less"
yiddyboy
28/03/2014 11:46:00
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Highgate "a plan" was there not sure if it was "thee Plan" in fact i think i would give it a K grade so lets call it plan k or plank for short.-
Slurms McKenzie
28/03/2014 11:46:00
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Yeah, i'd have to agree upfront Frank, but the potential our midfield has I'd say was on par with Liverpool's the difference mainly being Rogers has got them playing with confidence and co-ordination, which is also helped by Gerrard (who has to go down as one of prem's best ever) being on the pitch along side them. Eriksen, Sandro, Pauliniho vs Gerrard, Coutiniho, Henderson on paper I dont see a great difference but based on current form, you right there is a gulf in superiority.
coys1717
28/03/2014 11:46:00
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Not true yiddy, you could care so much less that you would not bother to comment, or even less again and you wouldn't form an opinion, or you could care even less again and not even be bothered by how your team are doing and just keep singing and cheering regardless of what was happening on the pitch...but then you'd be an Ireland fan
Slurms McKenzie
28/03/2014 11:49:00
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Dublin Hotspur.. It will work!
MAN ON!
28/03/2014 11:53:00
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Lol slurms!! Brilliant!
Dublin Hotspur
28/03/2014 11:53:00
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There's good Irish logic for you..
MAN ON!
28/03/2014 11:55:00
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Slurms - I'd call it the L plan, L standing for Learners, Levey, Losers(Pele10 - take your pick!!! Your K plan would work too!!!
Highgatespur
28/03/2014 11:57:00
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with all due respect . the selection of the spurs fans above seems to be based off what you guys are calling "ability". but ability is what you show week in week out on the actual pitch . This "ability" as you guys are calling is not being executed on the pitch week in week out by spurs players so you guys must be referring to what you hope as opposed to what your players have actually shown. the facts "tablewise" suggest that 1 or possibly 2 spurs players if that would get into a combined 11. Liverpool fans wouldnt want to risk our table position being brought down by spurs players who are apparently top class with spurs fans fans but in the real world can barely get past 6th position. when you can actually get past 5th place then i will happily debate that combines 11 again. for now id take lloris and Vertonghe. the rest all pool.
I Bling Red
28/03/2014 12:00:00
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I Bling Red, come Sunday, you will change your mind... ;-)
MAN ON!
28/03/2014 12:03:00
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I Bling Red - nice for you to appear and confirm my thoughts about you all being so blinkered... football is a funny game one good season doesn't necessarily follow on with another.. Thought you'd realise/learnt that by now.
Highgatespur
28/03/2014 12:07:00
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That, bling, is what being a fan of a football club is about. Hope, faith etc. You should know. You had a good few years lurking down below. If this article was written then for you, would you have stuck with 9 pool players?? On paper we have a better squad, just the wrong man coaching them.
Dublin Hotspur
28/03/2014 12:07:00
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Bling, it's a very busy day on VL. Surprised you could find the time to pop over and visit us? Thought your site would be hopping these days??? Where is everyone?
Dublin Hotspur
28/03/2014 12:10:00
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All true I Bling and most of our signings were top of your wish list last summer as I recall...
Slurms McKenzie
28/03/2014 12:10:00
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Dublin - think they might be in manchester celebrating the demise of manure and jostling/ bargaining to get on that plane with the banner....
Highgatespur
28/03/2014 12:14:00
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in saying that there are a couple of spurs players i would consider such a paulinhio and lemela but that is assuming they actually DO something within the next 6 months or so. right now based on what they have done so far ( the likes of erikson included) week in week out they have not shown enough and currently are not good enough to get into a combined 11. again, this is based on WHAT THEY HAVE DONE SO FAR.. no way should a team that is supposedly on your level be whipping you with ease 5-0. excuses are what is holding you back.
I Bling Red
28/03/2014 12:19:00
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If we play with a high line at Anfield, we'd better have Lennon as a Centre Back ... at least one of our CBs will have pace!
Geofspurs
28/03/2014 12:22:00
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No the guy making the excuses is holding us back... But again I take the point about a team selction based on current form over a team selection based on ability, potential and historical form.
Slurms McKenzie
28/03/2014 12:23:00
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My team would be Lloris; Walker, Chiriches, Agger, Johnson; Sandro, Gerrard; Sterling, Sturridge, Suarez. That's 4 players from Spurs and that is debatable if Enrique got fit again and Glen Johnson moved back to RB. Thing is though, if you give both clubs 6 injuries then the balance would shift completely the other way. That's been my problem as we've played the entire season with 6 injuries. Liverpool have had a couple at any one time. I can't wait to see their squad take on all competitions including CL including their fair share of injuries. Then we'll see whether the new Liverpool can operate at the top. We might be the Liverpool of next season if we miss out on EL and get our act together.
muttley
28/03/2014 12:24:00
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Muttley we'll get act together with the EL on tow - no doubts on that !!!
Highgatespur
28/03/2014 12:31:00
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Highgatespur. my post stated that it is what the FACTS show. liverpool fans should judge liverpool by that same process not just yourselves. if lpool were crap then i would say we are crap and hold those responsible accountable, its the FACTS that count because all that will happen is that fans will be biased in favour of their club. if youre willing to come out with a response like that after reading what was a fair post then its no wonder spurs are currently considered a laughing stock. you seem to think that you are 2 levels better than you actually are or actually ever prove. seems like your venting your teams incapabilities out on me..yet its not my fault your team cannot compete..then again, maybe you think it is..lol.. unfortunate because there there are some fair minded spurs fans out there. however highgate, if you were anywhere near as good as you seem to think spurs are then you wouldnt be fighting for 6th position would you. *waits for the penny to drop*..........
I Bling Red
28/03/2014 12:31:00
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LLoris - Walker Skertel Vertonghen Flanagen - Gerrard Sandro Coutinho Eriksen - Suarez Adebayor Sturridge
hudderspur
28/03/2014 12:34:00
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Gerrard is crucial to liverpool's success and he is one yellow card away from a 2 match ban.With difficult games looming Liverpool are terrified of losing Gerrard.He is lacking pace and mistiming tackles ,so that is the weakness that Tim must exploit.get our fast men running at him and see what happens.
Greavesaboveall
28/03/2014 12:36:00
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I Bling Red bearing in mind you are on Vital Spurs and not Vital Liverpool, and that this is a hypotheical discussion anyway and will never ever come to fruition then you, me and even Highgate are perfectly within our rights to name wha ever team we like, and as has been pointed out above the slant in favour of Spurs players is probaly due to this being a Spurs forum, but even with this bias we accept that Spurs haven't performed this season, hence the qualifier for most people "heart over head"
Slurms McKenzie
28/03/2014 12:38:00
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But if we're naming mash up teams then mine is the spurs squad but Rodgers in charge!
Slurms McKenzie
28/03/2014 12:39:00
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liverpoos resurgence is not good news for us,its been their fall from grace the last couple of years that has given us our best consistent finishes.4545-we need to monitor their activities closely
ghulamville
28/03/2014 12:43:00
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Or just wait for Europes big guns to sign chompy
Slurms McKenzie
28/03/2014 12:44:00
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Bling, has the penny dropped yet ? I do remember the fair minded supporters of your club wanting Rigers out and bowing your heads down to the GOD Dalglish... spending ridiculous amount of money on the likes of Carroll, Ispas, downing, shelvey adam and Rodgers hasn't too badly with the likes of Borini and sakho. All I'm saying is that one good season doesn't follow that the next will be just as good. Get over yourself man.... get out of the rain (it must be raining in mancs) and chill out! Did i hit a raw nerve in implying that the main motivator amongst you all is manure's failings this year ? I'm sure about 70% of the singing at Anfield will be about Moyes.... come back next year _ i'll be happy to acknowledge if you are just as successful.

Picked up the penny yet ?
Highgatespur
28/03/2014 12:44:00
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Bling, Man U are by no means crap. They won the title last year, and hold pretty much the same players. In the spirit of this article do you think they would choose 9 Liverpool players in a combined squad? No. Because they rate most of their players. It is their manager they have issues with. It really is the same situation with us. As a spurs fan I cannot lay down and say we are crap. We are not. We are chaotic yes, but not a bunch of crappy players by any account. I would still pick the combined 11 I posted at this point. I rate our players and have witnessed class from most of them this season, and I base my selections on that. As you would probably do with pool players a year ago! You have benefitted from a lack of injuries, a poor season from utd, ( as well as them losing the refs from their payroll) and the chaos we have endured this season! They are facts. Enjoy the moment bling, it may not last very long. Hopefully. It's all about opinions here mate, I suggest you go share yours with VL. You might get somewhere with yours there!
Dublin Hotspur
28/03/2014 12:45:00
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That will come to fruition slurms. No doubt.
Dublin Hotspur
28/03/2014 12:49:00
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Slurms, according to the realistic Redsousers he has devoted his life to the club,,, and that's a fact - according to them!
Highgatespur
28/03/2014 12:51:00
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:-) check out the big brain on Slurms...
Slurms McKenzie
28/03/2014 12:52:00
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What is it with liverpool teams and rants about FACTS?
Slurms McKenzie
28/03/2014 12:53:00
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Slurms I nearly included that part but decided one raw nerve was enough... that's a FACT!!!
Highgatespur
28/03/2014 12:59:00
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Have you seen the number of articles Gavin John Day has posted up on Vital Liverpool and not one response for the poor barsteward. What could the scousers be doing all day? its like they don't know how to read or something (I actually posted that on VL already but i knew no-one would read it there)
Slurms McKenzie
28/03/2014 13:01:00
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They are celebrating the manure's downfall and they're all queuing up the plane ride - no doubt !! LOL!
Highgatespur
28/03/2014 13:03:00
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clam down, clam down
Slurms McKenzie
28/03/2014 13:06:00
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Slurms, they're out picking pockets and buying hoodies and runners with the proceeds
Dublin Hotspur
28/03/2014 13:08:00
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Now now now Dublin Bling will be back with his posse - the Blinkers or the bin dippers!!!
Highgatespur
28/03/2014 13:10:00
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There is no posse. It's VL were talking about! Think the laptops were all stolen and sold on, so no way of anyone in liverpoolshire posting!
Dublin Hotspur
28/03/2014 13:16:00
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OOOH - slam!!! Bet you've been saving that for a while?!!!
Highgatespur
28/03/2014 13:20:00
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It's funny. For me, it's anyone but arse or Chelsea to win the title, leaving city or pool. City being my preference!
utd fans here want anyone but pool or city winning, leaving arse or Chelsea. Someone will be disappointed.
Dublin Hotspur
28/03/2014 13:27:00
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Liverpool have been really impressive and remind me of us under Harry's last season. Because of their history and fans though you can never really be neutral so it would be good to start their downfall this weekend, no way do I want them winning the league.

On the mix team it is hard to see many spurs getting in:
Lorris
Walker, Sktle, Agger, Flanagan
Coutinho, Gerrard, Sandro, Eriksen,
Sturridge, Suarez

Not pretty from a spurs perspective 4 v 7 but I think about right. Even Sandro is questionable as he has been injured so much. Sunday is our cup final, if we lose then all the focus should be on next season and bedding the players in properly, if we pull out the performance of the season out hopes will still be alive... COYS!!!


Just for fun I have put together the ideal best 11, what it should be:
Lorris
Walker, Verts, Skrtle, Rose
Lamela, Gerrard, Sandro, Eriksen
Soldado, Suarez

Maybe next year.......... COYS!!!
T.H.F.Chris
28/03/2014 13:28:00
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Dublin, it's only one Citeh - the team is full of quality....
Highgatespur
28/03/2014 13:32:00
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