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PATHETIC - EARLY GOALS

I do not need to highlight the recent run of games where we have had disastrous and as the title states ' pathetic' starts to matches.

Without delving too deep (will leave that to the Stato's amongst you) but our last SIX games have seen us fall behind early. Last weekend saw us two goals down against struggling WBA, and as we know it got worse as we conceded a third in the first half.

Thankfully they stopped playing once they had the lead. We saw Sunderland take the lead at WHL, we saw a 1st minute Liverpool goal quickly followed by more, Southampton scored two early goals at WHL prior to that. When we needed a quick start away to Benfica, we conceded early and yes, the week before we conceded another 1st minute goal at WHL to the Goons.

I think my point is, we are not learning from our mistakes. We are not going onto the pitch with the right mentality and the right message. We need to be more aggressive from the first minute and stop making every match difficult and having to chase the games.

The good teams (as we have seen) will not let us back into games and the others - well, we all know that we have players to cause teams problems. Surely Tim, the coaching staff & the players must learn, but after six games in a row it seems not.

I`m taking my boy to the match on Saturday and may close my eyes for the first few minutes. Tim & the players - six games in a row is a major embarrassment. Please sort your attitude out from minute one & please get things right BEFORE Kick Off. COYS

Written by Windlespur




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Date:Wednesday April 16 2014

Time: 10:18AM

Your Comments

It seems we need to go a goal or two down before we wake up. Why?
MAN ON!
True Windlespur. Of course selling our best players every year does not help. Liverpool kept suarez and the rest is history, i don't care for the argument that Bale wanted to go or Liverpool never got a big bid for suarez, the fact is we can't keep hold of our world class players, and we have a chairman who endorses buying young and selling at a profit, while that model is in place, we will always have inconsistencies on the pitch.
spurfect one
Wasn't that always the way it used to be with Spurs, Man On, go goal behind and suddenly we wake up.
Ossie
Nice one Windlespur. I'd suggest arriving ten minutes late and hope for the best. or maybe your son will be a lucky omen.

prayers, laces, socks and chats need to be done long before kickoff, and some pumping up done in the tunnel after a rousing motivational address from the gaffer and captain! Its basic stuff, we all did it as kids. I don't know what has gone on before kick off's to allow the messy starts we have had, but surely its about focus and motivation! It looks more like the players have been dragged away from the X boxes in the dressing room, and that aint right!
Dublin Hotspur
Ossie. True.
MAN ON!
The images of our players waiting in the tunnel at Anfield spoke a thousand words!
spurfect one
spurfect one-sadly it dont work that way.its called the football facory
ghulamville
The players are obviously confused by Tim's complex tactics and team talk.
MAN ON!
Ghulam?? i don't get you
spurfect one
Spurfect one. its a good point. look at Southampton, if they do seek their young talent for the kind of fees being floated around, they will be headed only one way. we are not as bad in that respect, but we do need to hold onto what we've got and move on.
I don't think this has anything to do with pre match routines though. something is very wrong in the camp.

Ossie, wouldn't it be great to go 2 up early on and get some big scores going. get the confidence up, rather than chasing all the time. it would also give a good opportunity to give the young lads a run out late on in games, and not put so much pressure on the first teamers fitness.?
Dublin Hotspur
i dont get it myself
ghulamville
Of course Dublin, but thats just not the Spurs way.....
Ossie
Dublin, Yeah i agree mate, even if we have no world class players it does not excuse the terrible starts. I was just watching the Hillsborough tributes and to be honest i am rather jealous of Liverpool's position and the way they have played this season, a big part of me thought that could have been us in that position with the right choices made.
spurfect one
It's like there's a complete lack of motivation at kick-off, but when we concede, then some kind of pride kicks in...
MAN ON!
the upset from us is if one of le scum,chavs,manure,arsenal had to fall out of top 4,we should have been the ones to capitalise given our 4545 finishes.but footy is ever evolving and dont work out that way
ghulamville
for 2 to fall out and we still cant get in is inexplicable
ghulamville
We have to look forward with a new manager and accept that the biggest investment in the squad must be at the back. Tim has no clue how to set a defence up and the players are all over the place. Think about it logically and you will see that the only players worth keeping are Lloris, Walker, Chiriches, Vertonghen and perhaps Kaboul or Fryers. A squad needs 3 keepers and 8 or 9 defenders and we have 4, maybe 5 of those. I don't want to depress everyone but that will mean it will take at least 2 transfer windows for a new manager to sort it out. We literally have to shift Friedel, Gomes, Naughton, Dawson, Khumalo, Hall, Rose, Ekotto and perhaps Kaboul and Fryers. That's 10 players of which at least a few have run their contract down and will walk. Of the rest, the chairman has to accept any offers and the manager has to accept he might need to work with a Rose, Naughton or Dawson for a while longer. Hopefully that will only be as backups.

Interesting to see that whilst the football world was looking at 19 year old Luke Shaw, Everton snuck in and signed John Stones from Barnsley for £3m. That's the sort of signing we need. He's already being talked about for England. Saying that, we had Caulker and let him leave whilst giving Dawson another 25 games in our shirt. You couldn't make this stuff up.
muttley
ghulamville, so are you saying you will settle for being on the peripheral because football evolves? How about we evolve too lol
spurfect one
hmm play a high line with two cb's that have been out injured and have Pauli and Chadli as CM's with eriksen playing left, let our 'LB' go foraging like a left winger and wonder why we concede?...yep it's a mystery....
shedboy2
ghulamville- you're name keeps reminding me of the LB at Napoli (ghoulam)...perhaps it's sign....;)
shedboy2
spurfect-our model does not allow us to hit the top.i for one wouldnt welcome the chavs/city sugar daddy models
ghulamville
Ghulam, its worse than you point out. Utd and possibly Arse fall out of top 4, replaced by pool (deservedly) and Toffees (deservedly) was it 2 seasons ago we finished ahead of Chelsea, we have been ahead of everton and pool for years. we have regressed further rather than slot in above the two teams we have finished ahead of for many seasons. In fact, it shouldn't matter what the others do, because we should be eating at the top table now. natural progression.
mis management on our part has been the catalyst for us, and good management the catalyst for the two teams from merseyside who have taken advantage of the situation.
Dublin Hotspur
and back to the article, motivated players, strong starts and early goals as opposed to letting them in, we would be up there!

early goals and lack of motivation have cost us so many points, and capitulations this season its unreal. what was our GD last season? better than zero I am sure! herein lies the problem. how many points have we lost, how many goals, because of the way we start games!!
Dublin Hotspur
Ghulamville, exactly, our model does not allow us because we SELL our best players. We have not exactly been paupers in spending, i think the 4th biggest spenders in the premier since its introduction. Ok we do not have the financial might of them clubs you mentioned but with the money we have spent and if the right choices were made we could be flying high, liverpool prime example. Also do you think chelsea fans were complaining about having a sugar daddy when they were winning the CL? or were city fans complaining when they won the league? If it was spurs fans we would be reveling in the glory!
spurfect one
The other telling stat is that this season Sandro has appeared 17 times and Capoue 18 times in all competitions. We've had so many games when neither has been on the field. Others like Paulinho, Dembele and Bentaleb just don't have protecting the back four as their primary thought and it shows. I'm at a loss to know what it would take to get 40 games out of someone like Sandro. He's spent most of his 4 years injured or carrying niggles.
muttley
Muttley- yes we need work at the back but it's not as bad as it could be...Gomes, Brad, BAE are all gone in the summer no need to worry about them....Daws (whilst not the best) we'll keep for continuity around the club and back up CB, Hall I'm not sure what his contract is but I think he'd be salable as would Khumalo (last year of contract) or another loan, these guys don't come into the thinking for the 1st team(they won't get a squad place and their pay is peanuts). Kaboul is last year of contract so yes we need to shift (or re-sign) along with Rose who is just not good enough but I think both not too difficult to shift......a LB (like rodriguez) and a player like Indi who could play LCB and LB for us would be good along with a back up GK (paul robinson?)....leaving Rodriguez, Indi, Verts, daws, Vlad, Naughton, Walker, Lloris, Robinson and archer...so we need 3 players but will lose 3 players without trying at the end of the season...our defense was pretty good when we played DM's so I think the sentence 'Tim has no clue how to set a defence up and the players are all over the place.' is pretty accurate and that is the first thing we need to sort!
shedboy2
Last season we scored 66 goals and conceded 46, we have already let in 48 goals this season but that is still good compared to last season considering we have let in around 27 goals against the top 4 teams. We keep going behind and then trying to play, not sure what it is but the set up is a major factor and what they do on the training ground.
Kong
Firstly, get rid of the huddle at the start, every player get into position early so they have plenty of time to compose themselves and concentrate. Secondly, recognise it as a habit that needs breaking and start the game set up far more defensively with full backs solely focused on their primary role for the first 10 minutes. Thirdly, find a remote island somewhere in the pacific and dump Danny Rose there.
flipper
I'm beginning to hate the term "Spurs Way" - since when have we conceded early goals with such regularity? ... I think never - we are bound to break a record or two in that aspect.
Highgatespur
Windlespur - well written article but if the team can solve it - they'd be answering a lot of prayers!!!

In the meantime, join the rest of us in crossing everything and keep repeating to yourself "please don't concede and keep the ball away from #3" until 15 mins is up or we concede - whichever comes first.

Highgatespur
We also haven't scored in the first 15 minutes of any Premier League game this season so there is clearly a problem with mentality/attitude. We obviously need a manager who the players are going to listen to.
DoncasterHotspur
We have failed to score a goal in the opening 15 minutes of a Premier League game this season, the only team not to. We have managed to concede early goals, inside 15 minutes in 7 games and the two scored by West Brom brought the total conceded to 8.
Kong
Beat me to it DoncasterHotspur :).
Kong
A couple of players (inc capt) should be assigned the job of yelling in the tunnel...getting the team focused on winning and beating the other lot, keep handshakes and smiles with friends on the other side to a min...any player seen doing his shoelace up/ankle strap etc within 5 mins of the start should be fined! ..and the set up needs sorting if FB's are bombing on then DM's are a must...don't play a suicidal high line against pace etc etc
shedboy2
Have we been done for match fixing yet, the odds before kick-off are much lower always odds-on, but betting in play when we go 1 down they increase to odds against 2 down and your on a right result, 3-1 down at WBA @ HT backing both the draw and us to win, was good punting. I think the fat bloke who makes notes for Dim in the stands, has a direct link to skybet.
spu 4 life
I don't think it's the players fault we concede so early or for that matter Dim, it has to be the medical staff and it takes 5 to 10 mins for the sleeping tablets in the energy drinks to wear off.
spu 4 life
I donít think early goals are pathetic. I love it when we score an early goal! As far as the opposition goes, I think there could be any number of reasons for us conceding early. 1) TS has not noticed (itís sometimes hard to see the pitch from high up in the stands). 2) Itís part of TS revolutionary new tactics. 3) Itís designed to lull the opposition into a false sense of security (this saved us a point at WBA). 4) Itís attention seeking (lots of people, like us, talk about it). 5) Conceding early during every game guarantees consistency (and we all know from the team selections that TS is big on consistency). 6) It makes the strikers feel better for not scoring many goals if the defence is conceding goals (very useful for team bonding). 7) Levy has demanded more goals during our games (and as weíre unable to score them ,,,!). Itís very complicated.

Now Iíd better read the article!
Geofspurs
My prediction for the Fulham match... They score in the first 5 minutes and we fail to in the first 15. They take a 2-0 lead on the stroke of half time. Second half, we come out all guns a blazing and score in the first 5 mins. Fulham give us a few scares but Lloris keeps us in it. We score two in the last 7 mins to complete the fantastic comeback, (Eriksen with the winner). Tim takes all the credit and we don't give him any... Or, we beat them 6-1!
MAN ON!
Geofspurs you have it nailed on geof, your summary is correct, this way T.D.S after match interview comes across with more punch ''the lads showed great desire and character after going 5-0 so early to pull it around to win 6-5''
spu 4 life
Kong .... Stats are interesting. I like your goal difference stats. Actually Iím not sure why people think itís been such a bad season; the Double team managed 66 points in a season and we have 60 points with 4 games to go!
Geofspurs
How dare you mention the double winning team in the same sentence as this seasons shower!?
MAN ON!
we only have 4 more games to go, so why worry at this stage of the season, the players are looking forward to the world cup for those involved and the rest are already on the beach, our home strip vs fulham will be flip-flops made by jurgen klopp, bermuda shorts care of joe lewis, hawaii multi coloured shirts care of ebay, donation made by Mr D Levy.
spu 4 life
Geof, you fail to mention that the double team only got 2 points for a win, just goes to show how good they were.
spurfect one
spu .... I forgot one! If they score first we don't have to worry about them equalising. :-)
Geofspurs
spu 4 life... I'd pay to witness that.
MAN ON!
geof but they only got 2pts for a win, 42 games played won 31 drew 4 lost 7 scored 115 goals against 55 1960-61
spu 4 life
I bet some players are thinking of clubs they want to play for next season. COYS!
James1
spu/spurfect ... I know! lol Stats are great! Please tell me you did not think I was serious?
Geofspurs
We are the only PL team not yet to have scored in the first 15 minutes of a PL game this season. We concede plenty early on but don't score any early goals at all. So much for getting the boys fired up and raring to go in the dressing room then! Whose job is it to do that?
SpuriousLife
I know that geof, makes interesting reading amazing team and some even more amazing results during the season, winning the double, first game was august 20th, our first loss came on Nov 12th away to Sheff Wed, 16 games unbeaten winning 15 of them and one draw.
spu 4 life
Muttley,, we should keep Naughton as RB.. release Walker (too many mistakes, goals resulting from them, and 15m into THFC..) Fryers is a good CB & LB back . The rest can go as you said.
Block D Spurs
I said stats were 'interesting' ... not accurate or meaningful!
Geofspurs
We can win the rest of our games and finish on 72 points in 7th place and some wag will still think the points total is good! 7th place! When people will learn that points are only used to determine league position I don't know...James1- and what division do we have to go to find the ones thinking of Spurs?...sad really
shedboy2
spu ... I was there and it's all ingrained in my memory! We actually started the season 45 minutes late ... because the team did not click until the second half (it was 0-0 at half time at home to Everton). But, after 45 minutes the magic began!
Geofspurs
Good article Windlespur.... it should have been shorter... Leave off the "early goals" and most of the piece. lol..... PATHETIC and FIRST HALF and EVERY GAME. Think that just sums it up to a T !!!!!!!! Oh well there's always next season. COYS GATS.
longtimespur
longtime ... that's picked the guts out of it pretty well.
Geofspurs
Lets take a step back here, we have a jekyll and hyde team on our hands at the moment. Whether thats between the first half and the second half of games or the first half of the season and the second half. Our problem in the first half of the seaosn was not conceding early goals it was scoring. Infact we had one of the meanest defensives for the first third of the season. Now we can't stop conceding so is it too much of a stretch to suggest its not a playing staff problem we have? Likewise we are finding gaols alot easier to come by in the second half of the season. Maybe we have gone from aiming to not loose games to balls out attacking and feck the defensive work but that still does not explain the regular lackluster first halves.

The root of all our problems, in my mind is the "high defensive line" that AVB introduced and Tim seems to have embraced it drags our Full backs too far forward especially when they have very poor positional sense to begin with. It leaves our goalkeeper overly exposed and removes time and space from our cbs who find themselves chased down all too easily with no safety valve of a back pass to bail them out. We need to pull our back line back toward our own goal and only release one of our full backs to go forward with an attack and never into the final third if at all possible. Lets have a little bit of faith in the five or so attacking players we deploy every week and not try to make Danny Rose or Kyle Walker our main point of attack.

This is a managerial problem and one that should be easily resolved as it seems to me the high defensive lines suits none of the defenders at our club!!! With a bit more time and space our CB could clear the ball safely or pass it off to a team mate, our Goalkeeper wouldn't be playing as a sweeper and the silly early goals should dry up. It would also afford more space on the pitch for our more technically gifted players to operate in.

Daniel Levy, I'm am available with only four weeks notice for my current employer and I don't have any coaching badges either!
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms ... we played with a miserly defence in the early games despite the high line tactic. It seemed to work until we hit the top teams who attack at pace with good players. Maybe it would have made more sense to mix it up a bit ... choose the right games to play high line. Playing high line is never going to work against the likes of Pool and City with the players we have. Both AVB and TS have proved naive in this regard and, seemingly, unable to change their tactics. imo
Geofspurs
Spurious, in answering your question,
"So much for getting the boys fired up and raring to go in the dressing room then! Whose job is it to do that?"
I can hear a chorus "not mine, guv!" lead by the coaching team!!!
Highgatespur
The article made me curious to see the attitude we have towards investment in the back line, based on the last 10 years we've spent around £88 million on defenders, compared to our midfield which has had around £189 million. That doesnt include Van der Vaart, Bale or Dos Santos.
coys1717
Block D - I'm still of the opinion that all Kyle Walker needs is a good coach to help him develop. It scares me to think what Moyes, Mourinho, Rodgers, Martinez would do if they got his hands on him. I'm also hoping that Walker learns a lot from sitting on his backside as Johnson remains England's RB in the summer. He should have to his game together by now and the turmoil at the club isn't helping him. I think a new coach would love to have him. Not sure I can say the same about Naughton though.
muttley
Geof agreed and you've also pointed out the biggest failings in both of our managers this season and they will only change their approach with experience, something we can't afford to give them.
Slurms McKenzie
Geof does the three v WBrom, two vs Soton, three v Whamboys, count in that analysis
Highgatespur
Have to be passionate about what your doing on a football pitch for the duration of the match. Everything else will fall along the wayside if you have no passion from the outset. Far too many playing the blame game, watching other's in the hope they will make a difference as opposed to picking up the baton themselves.

Like many things in life, if you want it enough, sheer hard work and determination will go a long way to achieving the success desired, fail at this point, how can you expect to reach your goals.
Cider spurs
Shed I'm hoping a well respected manager will change the mindset of the players wishing or thinking of leaving this great club. COYS!
James1
muttley look at what Moyes and martinez did with Baines and later with Coleman (who started out as a winger)
Slurms McKenzie
When the same mistake is made every match of letting in early goals you have to wonder if manager and players have learning difficulties.Preparation is one of the criteria Sherwood will be judged on come end of season judgement day. The players do not carry the can sadly even when they deserve to
cynicspur
Hard work and the right coaching can turn an average player into a very capable type. Henderson being a prime example of this, Curtis Davis at Hull another.
Cider spurs
Geoff and spu4life - you may be closer to the truth than you think... often the source of conversation during half times...
Highgatespur
As for Coleman. I saw something in him when we played Everton a few seasons back. He is exactly what I'm talking about, he has learned, took on board his weaknesses and worked on them, improved season on season as a player. At Spurs many stagnate or their ability subsides. Lennon a fine example.
Cider spurs
the stats show that the main fault lies with dim sums lack and bad coaching and zero knowledge of any tactics his substitutes use is woeful his team selection is incomprehenceble (PLAYING OUR BEST PLAYER OUT OF POSITION ERIKSEN) is a perfect example, his public lambasting the players proves his motavational skills are non existant (excuse spelling guys) and playing his love children chadli and bentalheb every game when we all can see that chadli was a waste of 7m and benty is not ready for the top tier yet , so i pray that he is going is true as he has taken our beloved club into freefall, get shot of friedal gomez rose daws chadli kumali livermore kane naughton fryers siggy keep kabs as back up , soldado will come good pauli will be fine once dim sum goes capoue will also be a good asset as will the yet to see gifted lamella chiri is doing ok but will improve next season and then of course our eriksen is a soon to be a legend add a striker lb 2cbs and watch us fly under a lvg or fdb as manager who knows what their doing COYS
tottspur
Wouldn't you James?
Highgatespur
Cider and best of all he cst 50,000 euro from Sligo Rovers, - what a deal (for the Toffess not the Bit O' Red). Would 8-10 million even tempt Everton to sell now??
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms - that last bit about badges should be the decider - "well done and congratulations - so, what are those papers ? Plans... what are they ?"
Highgatespur
Muttley, agree with you on Walker - spot on!
Highgatespur
Its frightening how easy teams have carved our defence up from the go lately, we've been sussed, figured out. we haven't changed or done anything different in defence this year. high line, slow CBs, FBs nowhere to be seen and tim doesn't like holding MFs because they don't do anything. I just hope we can keep our best defensive players and rebuild for next year.
notnats
Doncaster - agree, good point. Early goals compounded by the fact that we are the ONLY PL team to not score in the first 15 mins. Am sure that now I have written this, we will score early, keep it tight and some can abuse the article. Hope so :)
Windlespur
Cider - as much as it hates me to say it, the best example is Sol Campbell. At Spurs he was very good. He was our mainstay of the back four. When Wenger got him, he went up a level. He became a world class centre half. Adams did the same, so did Terry, so did Carragher and yet all four are somewhat limited players. None of them were in the same league as Ledley or Rio in my opinion but their coaches all brought out the best out of them by coaching them day in, day out until they had a finished product. That's what Vertonghen and Walker need right now as they are playing beneath their natural abilities.
muttley
Highgate - You're spot on as usual! I find it so frustrating that we have more coaches and technical people on our bench than any other PL team that I've seen and yet we are still one of the worst prepared teams I've ever seen. I really think that Sherwood, Ferdinand, Ramsey and Freund (I'm sure there are more lurking in the background somewhere) all sit around have a brew and a chat and not discussing football at all. That's certainly the way our play makes it look anyway.
SpuriousLife
L'Arse , man Citeh, everloan, manure all have done the same as us, concede an early goal v L'pool - were they all inflicted by a show of lack of motivation (I was at the game and haven't seen the tunnel footage) and what did they do to avoid a repeat ?
Highgatespur
SpuriousLife= sometimes it looks like a b****y reunion of some ind - the only ones missing is HR and his spawn.... all discussing at how they'd look in M+S suit/clothes....
Highgatespur
Highgate - I've also got a hunch that all they do in training is practice the 'Ade Salute'! :)
SpuriousLife
Muttley agreed we're need of a quality coach to challenge the players to beyond the present boundaries....
Highgatespur
SpuriousLife - or even practicing post match interviews and what to wear ....
Highgatespur

Fulham havenít found a lot of form this side of the year. They have the majority of the time scored late goals which unfortunately for them been consolations only. You can maybe highlight 2 games where they have come out of the box fighting and put teams under pressure to find a goal earlyÖand they were against Man United and Liverpool. They have just beaten Aston Villa away, last PL win before hand was against Newcastle (equally poor form). They need to win 2 home games to stay up?? So they are going to try. Rodallega and Dejagah seem to be their main forwards at (not sure where bent is). We know all about these guys, they are not the tallest lads in the world but they will have some good delivery from players like Richardson that could cause us problems. They are likely to step up to this London derby after the last win, I think we will be too much for them, could be a high scoring game as well. I still think we will conscedeÖ.to many hic ups happening recently as pointed out, we looked more solid when Fryers came on for example against Brom but will he start ahead of Vlad? Vertonghen missing is a pain as he looks and makes Chiriches look more confident, Walker still absent so there really isnít a lot with the back 4 we can do. We have started the last 3 games with the same back 4 so maybe we should continue but be prepared to bring young Zeki, Sandro or Benteleb on Earlier if needs be. Our attack litterelly will need to continue to work even harder because of our injury list.


My prediction is 4-2 home win for usÖplasters still needed. COYS.

SpursOne2
The recent Everton v Goons game was a great example of a team with the right mentality from minute 1. Everton started fast, strong, committed, harried every ball and never let goons settle. It was clear to see that only one team was up for it and who was going to win. Momentum.
Windlespur
SpursOne2 - disagree, we can change our back 4 and improving it massively by replacing Rose at LB with Fryers.
Windlespur
High ... yes, they do. The trouble now is, by the time we played those teams we had lost the plot to the extent where nobody seemed to be coordinating any kind of defence, high line or otherwise! You can see that, surely?
Geofspurs
We concede because of the way Tim is managing. Concentrate on what we can do, not the opposition. That may have been true years ago wen there was a huge gap between the lower clubs and top clubs, that gap is not so huge these days, the game has changed Tim and every PL game is potentially a threat to a win. We need to concentrate on the oppositions strengths and weaknesses, to do that Tim you need to be up to scratch with all PL games, minimum. What did you say, you didn't even watch Liverpool last outing against us. How much footy do you watch and know?.

Secondly, often we have forfeited a DM player, criminal against some teams. When your playing against teams that can score, that are good at attacking your defence needs help, unless your City who have million pounds of talent on the pitch that can score many more goals. Even they have tightened up defensively. The selection in midfield against City and Liverpool, wrong, bad management.

Thirdly, nowhere have I seen organisation, work ethic AS A TEAM, discipline on the pitch since Tim took over, why, because he lacks these skills. His discipline is non existent, look at the way he handled pressure, throwing wobblies all the time. His attitude, is that the game is simple, and that reflects his management style, he thinks the players can go out and do what they want, no organisation, no work ethic as a team, why because the message he is sending is 'the game is simple', his management is 'simple' and it clearly isn't working. Players, especially these days need boundaries and direction, discipline and good work ethic, a sense of 'us' and not 'me' they have too much of 'it's all about me' through their over inflated ego. Of course some players don't need it as much, need a arm around their shoulder, but most don't, they need authority, guidance (tactical awareness given) and 'told' what to do. They are like children really, most of them.

Watching Spurs under Tim is like watching Spurs of many years ago, it's naive and ineffective.

These early goals, shows all the above, it's not rocket science, as Tim says, trouble is he believes that statement in a different way, he thinks it is 'easy' nothing to it, I mean it as 'look within' usually a team is a reflection iof the manager. Under AVB we were closed and organised mostly, isn't that a bit like AVB. Now we need a manager that has it all or most of it, flair, creativity, balance, hard working, personality, hard yet gentle, winning mentality, not just 'talk' someone who has done it, seen it, been it. Then we will learn by these mistakes, under such a manager, these early goals would be eradicated immediately. Mistakes happen, to happen continually shows there is something wrong, and it's not get better. The message coming out of Tim's mouth is not working, not getting through, why, because he hasn't the experience, ability or know how, this is what we are seeing on the pitch, a reflection of TIm.
BeingIStoBe
Windle... I agree both posts.
Geofspurs
Windlespur - Rose didnít have the best game but neither did Vlad against Brom. Poor decisions and weak tackles. Even so, I would prefer to introduce a DM instead of replacing Rose..maybe not from the off. Fryers CB with Rose LB looked the better way last game as well. Na Rose LB again for me, leaves us with more options. COYS.
SpursOne2
My impression is that we have had absurdly many players playing wildly out of position far too often and quite a few of them seeming to have little to no idea where the opposition players are on the pitch. I remember an occasion in the last match in which we had no player at all on the left in our backfield as one of theirs thereby received the ball unencumbered and with no Spurs defender within many meters. I remember passes on several occasions in these six matches, and others, from one of our players backwards or sidewards directly to one of theirs in our end of the pitch. Anyone can make a mistake, but not with the persistence that these have happened. They are almost all mental mistakes, and they should not be happening at a professional level with this sort of consistency, much less at the upper levels of the Premier League. And then we find these incidents followed by proclamations of "how proud we are of how we fought back!" How often have we heard an admission of how mortified we are that the egregious errors happened with the regularity of drips falling from a rusty bucket? If there have been such, I've somehow missed them. All of this suggests a top to bottom rot, and no individual player can stand up to such a situation. No wonder even those who have talent and who do care are demoralized. Timmy is, sadly, in over his head, and the upper levels of management must recognize this and find a replacement who will earn the respect of the players. Further, the players who have not been showing a bit of pride in their play ought not to stick around. These are not tenured positions. Find those players who simply have been demoralized by playing in such a slap-happy environment and keep them, but sell off the contracts of those who have caused the demoralization of their team mates. And for the sake of the gods who can bedevil us when they're irked, bring in a manager who has the authority and standing to shape a coherent group. This does not necessarily mean someone with an aged history, but it does mean someone who can install a system that the players understand and can accept. Enough with the disgruntled employees masquerading as players and undermining our efforts even before they leave the dressing room to enter the tunnel on the way to the pitch. No matter their ages, let's have some players with an adult sense of responsibility.


Ok, rant over. And thanks to Ox for managing this group therapy site where supporters like me can get our frustrations off our chests. Of course we can't improve the situation in the training grounds or on the pitch, but at least this is better than chewing our nails down to the quick and spitting out the detritus.

Falstaff the Fool
We could always try Gomes in goal. He used to be good, not so long ago. He'll need to clean the cobwebs from his tentacles and remember who he plays for first...
MAN ON!
Falstaff ... Feel better now, Mate?! :-)
Geofspurs
Geof, I totally agree with your response - which is a bit different to your original post as I read it... Is there no one at the club to correct those mistakes /errors/ change strategy or even to tell to kick it row Z... I hope you can see my point
Highgatespur
so is 'PATHETIC - EARLY GOALS' the first in the PATHETIC series...Manager, Chairman, owners. transfer policy etc etc...to follow?...;)
shedboy2
Excellent point shedboy2....
Highgatespur
Shedboy - LOL!
SpuriousLife
Not long now to the start of next season. All we can do is let go of this season and accept what is and what has been.
BeingIStoBe
"Falstaff ... Feel better now, Mate?! :-)," Geofspurs.


A bit better, thatks for asking, mate. It's good to have a free place to go for therapy for all things Spurs. Of course, it's important to keep in mind that the other people on this site are also here for therapy, so one needs to expect a bit of madness in the comments people send our way.

Falstaff the Fool
High ... Well, you'd certainly expect someone would be able to attack the problems on the pitch, given the experience many have at the club (or should have). No sign of it happening though, which seems inexplicable to me.
Geofspurs
Falstaff ... I agree itís good therapy. Mind you, the one thing a Spurs supporter needs more than anything else is a sense of humour; without that, football, and life in general, would easily push us over the brink to ĎLooney Landí!
Geofspurs
Modric signs for Spurs Geof! COYS!
James1
Its all Danny Roses fault, call yourself a defender?? COYS.
SpursOne2
Hi James ... Have you been spying on my dreams?! Does Hoddle make a comeback too?
Geofspurs
Geof GH becomes Spurs next manager lol :)
James1
SpursOne .... How dare you suggest that Rose might be a defender. That will be news to him; and the shock might be too much him. He prefers to think of himself as a wandering free-spirit!
Geofspurs
Okay James, that works. Hoddle comes back to manage and his first buy is Modric! Now at least we're happy!!
Geofspurs
I'll drink to that Geof :) COYS!
James1
'you don't need to win the ball back if you don't give it away' - Tim Sherwood. Says it all about the man. May have given our attacking players more freedom, but stone me we're awful at the back. Lloris might actually enjoy it though, at least he's busy!!!
King26
Team is not prepare for the start of the matches. Certainly not all on Sherwood but it has gotten worse. First real sign of this was the first City game. vertonghen was tying his boots, two players talking with their attention away from the ball and two others looking in to la la land. We were not ready for that game and up to that point, it was probably the biggest match of the year. Thereis something very wrong at the club. Lots of attitudes suck. COYS
peterballb
peterbalb - that's because they have to guess where they are playing each week. Sometimes they go and stand in a position before the whistle and someone else is already standing there claiming they got their first. That means they have to figure out where they're supposed to be and can't figure it out unless they give a goal away. Then they can see everyone standing still again and know where they were supposed to be in the first place. That's my theory anyway :-)
muttley
Top posts, Beingistobe and Falstaff. Falstaff, I can remember being rude to you because I thought you were 'he who cannot be named'. But you're clearly someone else so I do apologize. It's because Vital is therapeutic and slightly addictive that I feel for regulars that get banned, but... that's a decision for the Daniel Levy of VitalSpurs to make. As for Tim Sherwood, it's just not happening, is it? Nice try, Daniel, but as they say, you can't polish a turd.
jerkinmahjurgen
Ha Ha,,,,, jerk, thats all so true!!!
Dublin Hotspur
Everton 2-0 down to palace!! Good news for arsenal. Bodega wood drawing 1-1. Good news for tim
Dublin Hotspur
Borehamwood, not bodega wood. That would be too winey!
Dublin Hotspur
Jerkin -your call on Pulis being a good shout for manager is looking good at the moment!
SpuriousLife
What results tonight!!! The fat lady is still waiting .... COYS!!!!!
Highgatespur
I think Everton have blown it for fourth spot now. They have difficult games compared to Arsenal, yet again I think Arsenal will be lucky and scrape that fourth spot. How things would have been different if we had not had such a silly season. Arsenal was there for the taking and with Utd in transition we missed out big time.

City drop points, Liverpool must be rubbing their hands. It's a matter of them dealing with the pressure now, they have the top spot, something many of their players haven't endured before, hope they do it for Gerrard sake and for Rodgers.
BeingIStoBe
Dublin - Luton are back in the League as well!!!!!
Highgatespur
The bookies are paying out tonight, the Liverpool v Chelsea game could be the title decider, man city might be looking for another manager if they carry on losing points.
Kong
Rather the bookies are laughing tonight.
Kong
Kong-I think the Liverpool v Chelsea match will be the decider.
BeingIStoBe
SKY must be writhing with anger for missing those games tonight....
Highgatespur
I bet Fulham will be all out to grab points of us.
BeingIStoBe
Liverpool don't need to win v Chelsea!!!
Highgatespur
If chelsea beat Liverpool then it will go to the wore imo
BeingIStoBe
BeingIStoBe, what a great game that will be, winner takes all.
Kong
B2B will they score in the first minute?!
Highgatespur
I just seen the scores, Spurious. Big win for Palace, again. They're flying up the table. Poor results for Everton (Martinez ain't all that then.. lol) and City, who look like they will blow it. It's between Chelsea and Liverpool, who still have to play, I think. Prefer 'pool of the two which gets them all gobby again and leave us as the only 'big' club without bragging rights, but would be a nice kick in the balls for The Speshall One. I thought you'd like that last line, Dublin. But remember, people make sculptures from that stuff.
jerkinmahjurgen
yeah but if Chelsea beat Liverpool they will go top by one point and I think they will take it. If Liverpool win I think they will take it a draw I think it will go to the wire
BeingIStoBe
Highgate, we don't know that yet as they both have games this weekend first.
Kong
Bale goal disallowed - a header !!! BOOOOOOOO
Highgatespur
Highgatespur-Nope but they will score after five minutes
BeingIStoBe
Jerk , here are twists I feel - Pressure is a funny ole thing, Barca 1-1!!!!
Highgatespur
Kong-yep great game, must watch one.

Relegation is tight as well
BeingIStoBe
LOL B2B - The fat lady ain't singing yet!!!!
Highgatespur
Basically Chelski need to win all theirs while the scousers don't !!! What a way to blow it Citeh !!! or have they?
Highgatespur
The equalising goal for cited is a classic - a must see!
Highgatespur
GARETH BALEOOOOOO-
ghulamville
WOW GARETH BALE does a Milan!!!! WOW!!!!!!! From the half way line WOW!!! We miss you!!!!
Highgatespur
oh my god his is what he use to do with us.I WANT HIM BACK
ghulamville
what makes it worse is he still plays in white along with modric
ghulamville
There you go levy, look what you sold. Bale just got his first trophy, twenty goals first season with games to go and scores an outstanding winning goal.
BeingIStoBe
I miss Bale - mind you he saw his opportunity and went for it, can't blame him, just imagine if he hadn't taken his chance. fair play to him, he has weathered the storm of being the most expensive player, foreign country, yet our foreign players needs so much time to settle. Hmm - has Bale needed time.
BeingIStoBe
Reminded me of one of those San Siro goals - wow hurts but well done to the boy .... see Ronaldo's face at the end?!!!
Highgatespur
B2B - Bale had a proper boss and was treated well as well as being head and shoulders above all the rest!!! Well done Gareth!!! Take a bow lad....
Highgatespur
i do believe we have first option on him
ghulamville
Modders did a good job looking after the Bale boy!!!
Highgatespur
Gb got a Ä20m boot deal! Over 5 years! On top of his Ä300k per week! That's why he went
Dublin Hotspur
just about to write well done bale but then i saw the other results, are they a 7ucking joke, city have put it into chelseas hands and everton given the scum 4th place already, thought they could have at least dragged it out until the city game. Chelsea win the league, scum win the cup = worse season ever.
T.H.F.Chris
dublin i think he went for many reasons, don't blame him at all, just pi$$ed off we didn't give him one reason to stay.
T.H.F.Chris
THF Chris - no worries man - the fat lady has yet tp sing!!!
Highgatespur
So pleased for Luka and Gareth tonight, Gareth's goal was everything we have all seen before, pace, power, skill and the ability to finish it off after running at top speed, that takes some doing, who was the Barca guy on the motorbike that was trying to catch him?
spu 4 life
Dublin - Bale deserves alll he gets - no problem!!!! Just wish that goal was at Wembley and celebrating in the white shirt of the Mighty Spurs!!! Ah well!
Highgatespur
Good one - spu...wonder how Borinho is feeling ... the shambles he left just won a trophy!!!
Highgatespur
lets forget we are spurs fans for a second and pretend we are man city fans now we drew 2-2 to night, let the debate begin, th moaning the tactics the subs etc
123spurs
You never know in football, perhaps Gareth will get the chance in the final of the CL, that would please me, it would please me even more if it's the chavs on the end of it.
spu 4 life
spu - do you think he needed a taxi like Maicon ?
Highgatespur
123spurs-just puts our result v sunderland in a good light.teams who need points at this stage by and large get them,fulham will be one tough affair
ghulamville
true ghul but why is that when we need points we cant get them, palace villa can etc we can never get these type results, its easier for top teams to play against us compared bottom half teams
123spurs
Looks like Martinez committed the gravest sin of preparing for the next game(v Manure) instead of preparing for the Palace gam.... Counting chickens before... - seems ideal for the Spurs post!!! LOL!!!!
Highgatespur
so all over a sudden Martinez is not the flavour of the week
123spurs
123spurs- because we dont have a real manager or a decent coach at the club.
topspur53
Watching Gareth score goals like that brings a tear to the eye and definitely takes you back to those san siro days. feeling proud and envious at the same time.
notnats
Stick a quid on Palace to win the League next year.
jerkinmahjurgen
Liverpool, Everton, Stoke and Palace; The only teams to have won 4 or more of the last 5 games. Bottom club gets a point against the richest, Everton a shock home defeat. The league and its form is all over the place. We'll be keeping a clean sheet for 10 minutes next...
jerkinmahjurgen
I had a smile on my face when I saw Bale's goal. Good for him. Like someone said earlier, we did not give him a reason to stay with us.
Madaboutspurs
Pace, power, elegance, grace, footballing intelligence and end product. Forget Gareth Bale, I'm just so depressed that as a club we don't even think that football is played like that anymore. It's like seeing an ex living in a big house, driving a flash car, full of smiles and with a new partner whilst you're left on your own staring at another meal of beans on toast in a bedsit without heating or hot water. Hey ho oh what could have been!!
SpuriousLife
Bale could have been cuddling Rose and Dawson but instead he's cuddling Ronaldo and Zidane... His loss.
Kong
Kong - he ought to be careful who he hugs when those two scoundrels are around.
Highgatespur
SpuriousLife - as you know envy and jealousy won't get us far ... just look forward to Eriksen and Lamela in the years to come in the famous shirt of the Mighty Spurs!!
Highgatespur
Love that post spurious!
Dublin Hotspur
SpuriousLife... Have you been reading my life story? "The Early Years". (The Rise and Fall of a Dedicated Spurs fan).
MAN ON!
Got to love watching Real Madrid! Just pretend it's Spurs; it's easy when Luka and Gareth are playing! Brilliant goal and it made me shout.
Geofspurs
Bales goal is one that Real fans will always remember. What a fantastic way to win a match. Modric came close himself....
MAN ON!
Who's Gareth Bale?
Slurms McKenzie
Thanks for comments. Simple answer this season then is stay in the pub till half time, then watch :) Sadly my boy will not allow that, so will be sat in my seat at kick off - surely not 7 games in a row & yes, we will score in the opening 15 minutes. So pleased Holtby is not playing for them - which makes me question, why is he not playing for us.
Windlespur
The main reason we are likely to finish 6th or 7th in the PL, rather than in the top 4, is that we only play for 45 minutes, as has been the case all season under both "managers", whilst our rivals tend to play for 90. Under AVB we concentrated on "defense", and negativity, and attempted to bore the opposition into submission, whereas under Sherwood, we don't appear to have any particular emphasis on anything, except he would like his players to run around like headless chickens, practicing his stated preference of "effort over ability", totally dissorganised, devoid of any apparent tactics and a defensive shambles. Given these circumstances, it should not be a surprise we give away soft goals, and after 34 games, we boast a GD of 0, this says it all about us as a team.
Frank
I see our "manager" has made another profound statement, saying that "If we had Gareth Bale, we would be PL title contenders". Did he work that out all by himself, or has he been taking lessons from his mentor Rednapp, it is uncanny that he utters almost identical bilge, as he used to do, trying to put a spin on the obvious.
Frank
Frank, have you noticed ? It's unbelievable!!!
Highgatespur
Windlespur - because of stupidity
Highgatespur
Agree - so much stupidity this season. Holtby, sherwood etc
Windlespur
Frank. Like so many on here you have not only put Tims words out of context but you've also misquoted him. It's like reading the bloody Sun on here sometimes. ;-) He may not be profound but he is just a football coach and not a philosopher or poet.
MAN ON!
should be a coach driver
Dublin Hotspur
Haha! Probably doesn't have a license Dublin...
MAN ON!
Man On, you are so right, Sherwood is far from profound, as his inane and embarrassing post match interviews, and his cringe provoking touch line antics, testify. Incidentally he is not just a football coach, he is at the moment, for now hopefully, the manager, the public face of THFC, and should speak and behave as such. There is only room for one Harry Redknapp on the football scene, and we have been there. For Christ's sake let's go a bit more up market next time.
Frank
Okay...
MAN ON!
Sean Dyche Frank? Seems quite popular atm. COYS!
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