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Should they stay or should they go?

I'm wondering, what it is we do with 2 of the players we already have, they just so happen to be the two most expensive players in the history of our beloved THFC. 

I'll start with Erik. What is with this guy? Is he actually injured? Are we just not playing him because his initial form was so bad, that playing him more now could actually decrease his value even more? I don't think that we, the fans, have once been given an honest reason as to why he's been out for so long. 

I, like most of you, have read bits here & there that it is his back. So, exactly what is it Erik does? Well most importantly, is the fact that he can actually play! And apparently, once he gets a run of games and is settled, he's pretty good at it! For years I've been complaining about 'Azza' and his lack of end product, I think I'm right in saying that he has just 1 assist this season in the league this term - simply not good enough. He's a one trick pony, and that trick is speed. Lamela on the other hand, is a little more intelligent and cute when it comes to end product. The kid is not only quick, has an eye for goal, can bring others in to play with intelligent runs, is unselfish, and to top it all off, has a great work rate. 

I think the biggest problem with Erik this season has been that AVB didn't actually want him, that much I'm certain of. AVB wanted Willian, we missed out, Baldini panicked and here we are. I would be absolutely gutted if we sell him in the coming months. His first season has been, lets face it, an absolute disaster, but I genuinely believe he has bags of potential, I think that the right manager, playing a formation that suits him will work wonders for his confidence, and he can go on a blossom into the player we all thought he would be on 30th August 2013. 

So, in summary, Keep Lamela. 

Next up, Bobby! Why is it that I still really really like the man? He's missed uncountable amounts of decent chances, and if he'd have hit the ground running, I really do think he could be a 17-20 goal a season striker! The only thing he really lacks for me, is out and out pace. He's just about quick enough - That never did Teddy any harm though. 

Like Teddy, what Bobby has bags of, is intelligence. He can hold a ball up, he has shown he's prepared to run and run (far from his natural role in a team). He's showed passion when he's scored, and the players have shown it for him also. His only 2 goals from open play in the league, Villa & Cardiff, were both followed by the biggest grin I remember in some time, the second of the two, I genuinely thought he was about to cry! 

Something not a lot of news outlets choose to write about, is the devastating loss his wife & he suffered shortly after he joined. There is just no way that can't affect a man, he may be paid obscene amounts of money, but you just wouldn't be human if that didn't affect you. I saw a great interview with Addy just after Tim took over. Addy obviously lost his brother over the summer, and in short (and not word for word), he said: The loss is bound to affect you, when you're in the team, and scoring goals, that's where you want to be, it makes it a little easier to deal with the pain you're going through off the pitch. When you're not in the team, and not scoring, it becomes close to impossible. 

In summary, Keep Soldado. 

I believe that Eriksen, Lamela & Soldado can be very productive as a front three with 2 attacking full backs for width behind, a midfield three of Sandro, Paulinho & Dembele and I really think we could be in with half a chance of a great run, especially with no Europa League to distract us. 

Right, that's about it from me for this one, It's about time I actually did some work! I'm very much prepared to be shot down by more than a few of you, but, that's one of the many things I love about our beautiful game & team, it's all about opinions, very rarely will 2 of us have the same! It doesn't make me right, and you wrong, or vice versa....it's just how it is! COYS

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Date:Thursday April 17 2014

Time: 6:04AM

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I'll GO First!.
Cider spurs
The worst thing we can do is break this squad up. When I say that I mean the following senior players - Llloris, Walker, Vertonghen, Chiriches, Sandro, Capoue, Dembele, Paulinho, Townsend, Lamela, Chadli, Siggy, Holtby, Adebayor, Soldado. Where the decisions need to be made are around the other players - Friedel, Gomes, Naughton, Dawson, Kaboul, Khumalo, Rose, Ekotto, Livermore, Lennon, Mason, Falque, Obika. We also have other new senior players for next season like Fryers, Carroll, Fredericks, Ceballos, Lancaster as they've turned 21 and realistic "free-picks" like Kane, Bentaleb and Pritchard.

Before we've even signed a single player we have something like 35 players to sort through. Some will just go as they're out of contract. Others will be sent out on loan as they're not established yet. As for the 2 in the article, I can see the logic for keeping or selling Robbie. I still think a decent manager will unlock him and he'll get back to his career average of 1 in 2. Some of his little touches and how his brain is working ahead of the defenders is a joy to watch. I just which he'd knock a couple in and get going. With Lamela, I cannot defend AVB. The best individual performance I've seen from a Spurs player this season was from him in the EL. It wasn't the toughest game but we all saw something there that really got us excited, something Lennon hasn't done for years. We have to gamble on him getting fit and becoming our superstar along with Eriksen.
muttley
Negredo hit the ground running and also scored in 11 consecutive home games..And now he's hit bad form and seems really devoid of confidence.I recently watched City game where he came as a sub and missed two one on one.Strikers are all about confidence.I think we should keep Soldado and be hope he comes good
SilwalYid
I believe we should keep all our 7 new signings. A few reservations however....Would a front three of Lamela, Eriksen and Soldado provide enough goals?, Is Eriksen's best position not behind the striker, same as Lamela?.

I'd sooner a 4-2-3-1 formation. This formation but with the inclusion of a WF, one who scores goals. Maybe Konoplyanka Left, Lamela Right, Eriksen or Lamela in the hole, with Lennon covering the Right if required. Soldado up top. As for the Midfield two, Sandro and Capoue would be the perfect foil for me. They offer the defensive element required to allow the forays forward by the full backs, both have physical presence, Capoue a great passer of the ball quickly getting the ball from back to front.

I've said it numerous times, I think centrally our team should consist and be built from Capoue, Sandro with Eriksen ahead. A truly great foundation in the Midfield to work from.

However, with all this said, If the right offers come in for the likes of Lamela, Soldado and Paulinho, I believe their is every chance they will be sold and replaced with Premier League proven talent. Shame because I often read an article stating how good Lamela was in the ferocious Argentinian derby Boca vs River Plate. He stole the show. He really is a talent, here's hoping we get to see this in our new Spurs kit next season.
Cider spurs
Keep erik and Robbie! Keep them all, we all know what we need to get the best out of them!

this is a great article. I agree wholeheartedly with everything you have said. I know many won't! These two, vlad and Christian were the signings I got most excited about! Closely followed by the other 3!
Dublin Hotspur
Keep them all as in the seven newbies! Get rid of some others, pretty much as Muttley said!
Dublin Hotspur
As reported by Sports Mole Thursday 17th April:

Tottenham Hotspur manager Tim Sherwood in reportedly under pressure to field Erik Lamela in the coming weeks, despite recently ruling the forward out for the campaign.

Sherwood claimed last week that the £30m summer signing was "probably not going to play again this season", but chairman Daniel Levy is said to be desperate to see the Argentinian succeed at White Hart Lane.

Following extensive injury problems, Lamela is set for a return to full training and there is a desire within the club for him to be handed a boost before the season ends, according to The Telegraph.

The same report suggests that Sherwood may not carry out the club's wishes to give the former Roma player game time, resigned to the fact that he will likely be replaced at the helm during the summer.
Cider spurs
Here maybe lies half the problem. The poor lad appears to have been used as a pawn at times this season. Settled?, I'd suggest pi$$ed right off!.
Cider spurs
It was interesting that Lamela's brother, Brian retweeted a message from a fan saying that Sherwood didn't seem bothered about Erik missing the World Cup and didn't rate him. His brother obviously thinks that's the case. With a new manager Lamela could be like a new signing next year as the cliche goes.
Glorygame
A fluid 3 of Lamela, Eriksen and Chadli (or Konoplyanka - I can dream!) behind a striker like Adebayor (or Bony or Remy - I'm still dreaming!) would be a very effective front 4. It would have power, pace, class and footballing intelligence in abundance. However if we keep Sherwood we'll end up with Lennon, Townsend and Kevin Nolan playing behind Andy Carroll.
SpuriousLife
There is no way of knowing how Lamela will perform until he actually plays some matches. The worry is not so much over his ability but his character and his injury record. Players have to want to play, they also have to be fit to play. Someone of Lamela's age with a back problem sets of alarm bells for me, we don't nee another ledley King. As for Soldado, if you aren't going to set up the team to suit him then he won't fire. I don't think he's good enough to change the whole team just to suit him.
jod
agree- Keep both! Was Lamela's form really so bad? yes he gave the ball away a couple of times and looked a bit tentative but there was enough there to show me he can can play (if his name had been Townsend in the EL he'd immediately be called into the England team!)....Soldado -we paid too much to get any return on him but he's good! It would help if we played him with someone on the left and someone on the right who could/would supply service to him! He does score goals...ask Ade penalties aren't automatic! his link up play for a 'box' striker is good....there is a list of players we should be selling before taking a loss on these guys starting with Rose and Townsend!
shedboy2
the only one of our new 7 we need to sell is chadli he has had more chances than any of the others and has produced the least they will all come good with a new manager but chadli must leave waste of 7m plus we didnt need him anyway we had enough mfs and winger types apart from him i agree with king26 coys
tottspur
Lamela's world has turned upside down. Loved by the Legion's of Roma fans, girls wanting to bed him, mum's wanting to mother him and loved playing regular football with one of the most iconic footballers in Totti. I just hope the reason he's not playing is down to a genuine injury. I can't help but feel he is leaving us. If he is I bet one of the conditions is not for him to play in fear of getting injured. Hope I'm just being paranoid. I just feel there is so much talent in this boy that he will become a darling for Spurs..:( COYS!
James1
for 7m Chadli is worth holding onto he's managed to force his way into Dim's team as a CM! he can't be all that bad....why anyone would want to sell any of our new signings before getting rid of Rose and Townsend I don't know? They are shocking players (at this level) who gift possession to the other side...neither of whom can tackle or head a ball...or cross or shoot ...
shedboy2
Its amazing how the comments a few days ago were about the lack of character in our squad. Now suddenly the only thing that matters is talent.
jod
James1- if he does leave not playing will be part of the deal...IF we've agreed to take a 'slight' loss and move him straight on....what a shame that would be though!...
shedboy2
I have it on good authority that the reason Lamela is unable to play is because of a fracture to his lower back. Its clearly not debilitating enough to stop him from doing keepy uppies in the park, but it's going to heavily hamper his performance in a professional football match. He needs to be rested until this issue is resolved and moaning about him not being picked isn't going to change anything. As for Soldado, he has been a square peg for a round hole. Unless we employ some proper wingers who can drill a ball across the face of goal so his predatory instincts can be used to full effect, we will never see the best of him here. If we are going to line up with wing forwards or deploy someone who can work well with Eriksen, then an Ade type or even Kane are abetter fit.
dave the yid
I will let you know now if he's going to succeed with the awnser to this question, has he learnt to speak English? He has been off work for months, can afford a private teacher (one of the best) and there is absolutely no acceptable reason that he doesn't have a basic grasp of the language. If he has it will have shown a commitment to settle, give him an ability to bond with his team mates and will have shown commitment to succeed. Bale gas been learning Spanish for years and that is why he was always going to succeed. If Lamela hasn't been bothered then sell him immediately because he will never succeed here
spurticus87
Jod - you have to have both!..as for his character who's deciding that it's not good enough? Dim? the kid was a success in Argentina and a success after moving to Italy...he has character...it's up to the coach to keep/get players into the zone...his induction hasn't been handled very well...
shedboy2
It would be shed..a genuine talent we could miss out on. Jod talent alone is not good enough as you well know! COYS!
James1
spurticus87- that's how I know Tim will never make it as a manager...just can't be bothered to learn English!..;)
shedboy2
I would like to see both Soldado and Lamela stay but I got a feeling Soldado might be sold. Lamela needs to be given a run of games and see what he is really made of. I don't know how serious his injury is but I don't think he is in Sherwood's plans and he won't play him whilst in charge. To his credit Lamela has not come out and said anything so his injury could the only reason for not playing.
Kong
Well put King26. It's a similar thread of dialogue a few of us have been having for a while - probably since February. We have a quality squad who have been bought together but have not been enabled to demonstrate their talent. This applies across the season.
As for Lamela - I don't know what's been happening there but there has been too many qualified people backing him and his talents to be "labelled" as unplayable by us.
If it's a serious injury he's recovering from then it was a pretty blasé and callous way the club's representative answered questions on him the other day.
Then I look at the posting made on the ether yesterday about a club directive put forward that the club wants Lamela to play this season (Cider referred to it) - I really look forward to that and thinks that'll happen - he was withdrawn for publicity duty.
I agree that ALL seven need to be given a TRUE chance to play to and demonstrate their talents that got them here....
As for the 'youngsters' who have turned 21 and yet to make a mark at the club - it's time to move on for their own sakes...

However all these discussions is all very redundant until we know who the manager is next season... we need confirmation of this vital component in the club's structure - a statement needs to be made - even if it's JUST to quell the very high frequency of rumours.
Highgatespur
I actually think that we signed seven very good players. With th right coaching and motivtion they should all prove to be a success. Having said that, if any of them are soldI think it will be Soldado. I don't think he fits the way we play or the way I expect us to play next season. If that is the case, Levy will have to accept a loss rather than try to impose him on a new manager. Some people on this site say that we won't be much of attraction for a top manager without European football which is a fair point. However, if you look at the talent in our squad then maybe some managers (De boer for instance) will jump at the chance to join us.
DoncasterHotspur
I'd like to think that Levy is already making moves for the next boss, and if that's the case (and I'm 99.9% certain it is) then I'm sure he'll be asking for their views on our current players. Surely most managers that are up for a move this summer, would be excited by the prospect of working with our current squad? There are 1 or 2 world class players there already (Lloris and Eriksen for me) and a good few more, who, with the right coaching, can go on and become world class. If you back yourself as a manager, why would you not want to take over this squad? obviously your Jose's, Pep's, Klopp's of the world will probably be able to go to a bigger club, but our squad must have more 'potential' than any squad in the league? I don't think I'm being biased when I say that either...City, Chelsea, Liverpool and them lot up the road are where they should be, Everton have been fantastic and deserve to be where they are, and United & ourselves have under performed this year. I don't know who the next boss will be, but I'll back them to get the squad playing much more successful football!
King26
Shedboy2 - agree with your postings this morning. I will add the name of Lennon to your list of Rose and Townsend. Too many false promises from Azza of me.
Highgatespur
In reply to CIDER - I agree, I think Eriksen' best position looks as though it will be behind the striker, and in a flat 4-3-3 he may be a little out of position, but I reckon that with Sandro & Capoue protecting the 2 CB's (we need Jan to step up), and another box-box man in there (Dembele/Paulinho out of current squad), Eriksen wont be stuck out left. Especially if we get ourselves a half decent left back. Defensively, I'm not Walkers biggest fan, but he'd be perfect in a 4-3-3 with the right midfielders in front of him, a mirror image on the other side would hopefully see Eriksen & Lamela make their way to the positions they want to be in?
King26
Highgatespur- I can see why Lennon gets added to the list but for me he's our best on the right at the moment...Lamela may surpass him but as we can see not yet (and not in a 442 though)...I think Lennon's replacing Townsend on the right had immediate impact....he's more a team player, much better defensively, usually provides more assists and whilst scores at about the same rate can frustrate by not shooting but by not shooting he doesn't gift the opposition the ball back as Townsend does...at some stage i really should get around to writing an article about how 'effective' our homegrown players are!...
shedboy2
Highgate - Agree, so much promise, but ultimately has delivered very little. If we can get 8-10 mil for Azza, I say let him go.
King26
Ossie reckons erik is the best thing to come out of Argentina for years! Who are we to argue with his opinion! Just watch you tube from last year and indeed this season to see glimpses of pure talent. We simply must keep him!
Dublin Hotspur
Shed - that is an article I would enjoy reading....though I can already hazard (I wish!!!) a guess at to how it would pan out - how effective are our home grown players? Not very...
King26
Everyone is up early posting on this one. Proof the article has hit a nerve with us. If he is fit and Tim doesn't fancy him, he is delusional.
Dublin Hotspur
It is becmoing really hard to see how Soldado will turn it around. With Keane now preffered over him it doesn't look good, Sherwood obviously favours youth and maybe as a result Levy might regret the temporary gamble. That said he should definitely follow orders and play Lamela if fit enough, we need to give him game time to see if there is anything about him.

Keep Lamela, sell Soldado if we can get good money for him.

King you may have been right about Lennon until last week where I think he got all three assists against west brom - he has had an average season to say the least but so has everyone, lets hope he finds form again and goes back to scoring winning goals against the scum and liverpool again (last season).
T.H.F.Chris
I think that's what lennon has benefitted from the most in recent years. IMO we should ditch him to create the role into a more vibrant and influencing one. He is too willing to be a passenger! Btw I think after last Saturday his assists for the season has doubled to two. No way good enough...
Highgatespur
It would be tantamount to sabotage on his part! As was the way he treated Robbie after he got some confidence back!
Dublin Hotspur
My last post was in response to shedboy2.
Highgatespur
seems relevant to the thread and pretty accurate- http://sport.bt.com/sportfootball/football/daniel-levy-to-blame-for-tottenhams-wasted-season-S11363893924532
shedboy2
King, don't forget holtby as a great option for a box to boxer!
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin, my point exactly - whose opinion do we go by? us fans who have seen next to nothing of him, the club representative who has shown he knows next to nothing in managing a team or a World Cup who knows Spurs.... no contest ....
Highgatespur
Shedboy2 and King26 - I fear that an article on 'homegrown talent', the biggest discussion would be on how we define 'homegrown talent' ....
Highgatespur
Dave the yid, so who's the 'good authority' ... sorry no name no value of the ITK - far too easy!!!
Highgatespur
It might not work out with Lamela but we will never know if we do not give him games. If fit these remaining games are ideal for him to get game time and settle him in properly. We do not know whether our potential new manager has plans for the squad or whether Sherwood will be left to destroy the team.
Kong
Highgatespur- that's easy - 3 years in the FA (of England and wales) before the 21st B-day!....Gylfi is a homegrown!...why people talk about British players I have no idea...the Scots are foreigners, just as exotic as south americans!
shedboy2
Lamela we NEED to keep. He has class and ability, it just needs to come out and he needs to adjust to the PL. A lot will depend on him as an individual, his character, his heart to want to make it in England, want to learn the language and want to become a star. If his heart is in it and he takes on the challenge then he is half way there. The other half depends imo on two things. The manager and coaching he gets and the formation we play, the latter has to suit him. For example I cannot see him being a winger in a 4 4 2 in the PL like Lennon. He needs to play a role that suits him and therefore we need organisation and a style and formation.

I want to see him in a spurs shirt regular.

Soldado, I make no excuses, I struggle with the guy. WHY - because I cannot stand a player 'ducking' out of challenges. No one can argue he doesn't do that, he does. I have heard the commentators say the same, sarcastically say 'Soldado wasn't going to make a challenge for that header' I remember it clearly, the ball was in the area there was him and an defender and he just looked at it. Didn't make a challenge and it wasn't even a BIG defender, a hard nut, or potentially a physical challenge, he just looked at it. he has done that so many times, yet he has a 'nasty' side to him when it suits.

It drives me mad seeing him ducking out, not making challenges and I also have another problem with him. So many times he would get the ball outside the area sometimes on the wing and make a short pass and stand still, he NEVER busted a gut to get into the box, yet he was our loan striker and supposingly a box player, he often does that, he lacks urgency. It is as though he was frightened to bust a gut that he didn't want it. May be it was psychological, not wanting to get into the box, the ball coming to him and him missing, or may be it was that he had made many runs in the box when he first joined and players didn't find him he stopped doing it. I think it was the former, he looked like he was shying away, just like he shies away from challenges.

Confidence is a key I agree, but if your low on confidence, out of form then the least you can do is challenge and bust a gut, keep going and just know that something will change. Nothing changes if you don't carry on.

Can we afford to carry someone like this.

Personally because Soldado drives me crazy watching him I would not be bothered to see him go. In fact if he is unhappy put him out of his misery, let him go back to what he knows. However, if he stays, I will not lose any sleep over him because with a proper manager in if he continues to perform the way I see him perform he will be dropped. The other concern about keeping him is if he doesn't cut it, his value will drop more and he will take up a squad place and there will be no money to get someone else in.

I guess I am saying, not bothered either way with soldado, I am happy to see who the manager is and see what he thinks.

If the new manager thinks he can get him going then another season I will live with, but I feel he needs to help himself more and start challenging going into tackles especially headers and keep getting into the box, bust a gut.
BeingIStoBe
Dublin - what would be tantamount to sabotage ? If I guess what you're talking about -0 everything he does, does that doesn't it ?

THF Chris - Lennon assisted with a great cutback for the second one on Saturday and that was it - doubling his assists for the season to a grand total of TWO!

IMO he's already done that!
Highgatespur
shedboy2 - my definition is that they were developed though our youth system ... Glyfi came to us a developed player so not home grown to me!!!
Highgatespur
shedboy-yep article is clear and precise. Funny how Levy can hold his nerve when dealing with finances but not when it comes to managers.
BeingIStoBe
Dublin, have to admit that last night's results gave a renewed hope for the Spurs and that we had a role in the development of GB!!!

Just goes to show that learning from mistakes does happen and coaching to improve from previous disasters - Sunderland lost 5-1 (to the mighty Spurs) - Gus obviously worked on improvements with players believing him- the result ? Next away game they nearly win at a top team but for a freaky goal!!!

Anyone taking heed in Enfield?

Highgatespur
I rate Soldado, but he's got to up his game, its al very well doing clever touches but he needs to work harder getting into goal scoring positions. Standing in the same spot for 90 mins waiting for that 1 opportunity wont wash in the EPL. Lamela's situation is different but ive seen enough of the guy to believe he's definitely got the ability its more sorting out his head. Next season we should see a totally different player, its probably time to move Lennon on, agree with the article he's just not contributing enough in attack to justify his place at the moment.
coys1717
Keep both of them….i went through the whole “soldado out” phase but he has been a very good striker throughout his career. You don’t just turn $hi7e overnight. I think if we play him in a system he is comfortable in we will get the best out of him TBH. Neither AVB or TS has done this. Same goes for Lamela, he really has had a rough deal. You watch some of the footage from Roma and wonder what the F has gone wrong. AGAIN…its playing him in the wrong system. I hope whover come in looks at our squad and see’s the blaringly obvious 4-3-3 formation

Forget about the back for a minute and start in midfield. Paulinho – Sandro – Dembele or sandro and capoue with paulinho just in front or even Paulinho sandro Holtby. So many options. Then up top as a front three Eriksen – Soldado – Lamela or Eriksen – Ade – Lamela or Lamela – Soldado – Ade……..there are just so many options where we can play players in the correct phucking position!!!!
hudderspur
B2B one of the main reasons I enjoy going to the games live is I really dislike seeing the Spurs games through another's eyes or comments... If I have to watch Spurs games on TV, I tend to prefer a different language commentating. I find the commentators very biased.

In the games I have seen Soldado I haven't seen him overtly avert from any challenges... I seen him being on different wavelengths to other players... perhaps to address your observations and mine of Soldado's play we ought have a ex striker as coach - oh I forgot we do!

The coaches should be doing their jobs! This point demonstrates this need...
Highgatespur
Coys, he got dropped after a confidence building goal. He has shown his talents for Valencia and Spain! We haven't set up for his style once! Ie proper distribution from the wings and cms!
Dublin Hotspur
I fear the only way we will miss Europa League misery next season is if the Ar$e finish fourth, win the FA Cup and Manure win their game in hand. That way Hull get the third Europa spot - if the Ar$e finish fifth and win the cup then 7th place gets a Europa slot. What an unpleasant situation. Also, keep all the signings, give Van Gall (I hope) a full pre-season with them (plus either Bennie or a new LB - we don't need anyone else if Bobby hits some form and 'Arry Kane continues with his goals, although I would like to see us re-sign Caulker rather than see him languish in the Championship). I well remember how pants Modric and Bale were when they joined - Bale's story, in particular, mirrors young Erik's, and look where he is now ...
johnd0001
Highgate, you got it in one! ;)
Dublin Hotspur
£26million for 2 goals from open play? Harry Kane has the same number from open play. Soldado must be sold he offers nothing to the team.
jordtheyid
Highgate - for obvious reasons, I can't name the source....
dave the yid
Not sure how Sir Les can be blamed for Soldado missing open goals. Is Ferdinand equally to blame for Ade and Kane's better goal scoring form? ;-)
MAN ON!
Look, Lennon has not had a good season. But whenever he starts season injured, it often takes a while to get him going. Plus he was played on left by BOTH AVB and Tim.... How on earth is he going to cross from there? He is not a great striker of the ball, so he has to be on his better foot. You say he has no end product, yet Eriksen does....? But Eriksen has 6 assists this season, and Lennon had 7 last season - I acknowledge that Lennon played more games. Lennon often is our midfielder with the highest assists. The end product thing to me is more to do with the strike force not making the correct runs. When Lennon had Bale to aim for last season, he got the most assists. This season he had Soldado who as you know, has not got on the end of much really. Harry Kane comes in, and Lennon finds him. Lennon IS an intelligent player. He just seems to disappear when nothing is on for him, but give him a fighting chance, and he is an asset. Either way, Lennon has 2 assists this season, and how many wingers can you name who has a decent amount of assists this season? Not as many as you think. True wing play is not very prominent in England right now. Under AVB, I was always suggesting that he should NOT play Lennon nor Townsend - especially with his style. The best teams playing 4-2-3-1 play with three attack minded midfielders behind the frontman, and not wingers. Width provided by overlapping fullbacks. It is no wonder that we scored so few goals, and Lennon had so little to aim for. In regard to keeping/selling players? Keep ALL our 7 new signings if they want to stay. If you look at the league leaders, Liverpool, they are not benefiting from new signings, it is the ones who have been there for more than a season... They are playing better now than they did in their first seasons for Liverpool. We know that the 7 we signed are talented, but they started in difficult circumstances. Much like how the gang of players we signed for Ramos couldn't get started, and improved massively in their second & third seasons - especially with change of management. Basically you cannot sell players after one year unless they are completely not fitting in. Soldado can be argued as that, but his fee and age make it more advisable to persevere. Keep them. Defense is priority for Summer as it was neglected last summer. Add some defensive options so that we have TWO true left backs, FOUR CBs plus Kaboul (if staying) and replace Naughton to leave TWO right backs. See how Kane develops toward end of season... Replace Friedel finally.
TonyRich
Dave the hid - then don't mention it - by naming an ITK without a name - is exactly that... useless.... I presume Dave the yid is not your name so how is this person guaranteed of your "confidentiality" - bit of nonsense for me!!! The obvious reason is that its all lies!!!
Highgatespur
By the way I completely disagree with BeingIStoBe summary of old Rubber Toes. I see a man who has worked hard to adapt his play to the PL but has yet to get there. I have seen him duck out of challenges, ones he would have almost definitely come off second best. This is a wise footballing head, in my eyes, knowing when, or when not to hold off. I say keep him.
MAN ON!
Man On! He's the striker's coach - at least expect him to work with all players to develop their style and so on .... no blame .... just an expectation to do their job surely ? Work with all I'd say...
Highgatespur
Highgatespur. Surely it's dave the yids prerogative not to mention names. Why can we not just give him the benefit of the doubt? After all most of us don't have a clue what's going on with Lamela. We can guess, I suppose.
MAN ON!
How do we know if Ferdinand is good or bad at his job? I certainly can't make that assumption. It is just an opinion, not fact.
MAN ON!
Should they stay or should they go? Well ENIC should most defiantly GO NOW! As for struggling players like Lamela, (ENIC nervous break down) Soldado (ENIC shooting boot curse) should not be judged until the football mercenary scrooge and Sugar's apprentice Danny Baby have sailed off on their ENIC tax free yacht with the half billion or so they will have stolen from THFC and the local community...
Pele10
TonyRich - not wishing to extend this strand on Lennon - I think he has had an appalling 4 seasons in my opinion - although you don't mention it ... his goals tally - not meant to score - I hear you know. For me it's time to stop giving Lennon the "hiding zone".....
Highgatespur
I don't even know what job Ferdinand does, does he assist Sherwood, coach the strikers, do nothing, who knows.
Kong
Anyway I say keep them both and watch them shine next season. This season has not been a good one to judge any of our new signings.
MAN ON!
I do not think Lamela's ability is in question. The problem as with most of this squad, is how to harness, develop and utilise it. I was hoping that Lamela would bring to our team something like what Silva does for Man City, or Oscar for Chelsea. Someone who can control the attacking flow of the game. The player who can produce a little bit of magic, that quick pass, bit of trickery, backheel, something out of the ordinary that makes these players a bit special. As for Lennon, he used to be one of my favourites, but seems to have lost his mojo, I think he has simply forgotten what he is good at. When we had the BAE/Bale and Walker/Lennon combo, we had the best attacking flanks in the league. now we don't get the ball out quick enough to the flanks, we don't have a left winger so our fullback does not overlap and there is a huge hole on the left. Admittedly, Bale used to go past the fullback at will, but Lennon also used to use his pace and get to the line. Now he seems to check, waiting for an option and how many times have we seen crosses go across the goal and no one there, when Bale used to arrive at the far post. Eriksen is not a left winger, we need to put Lamela there and play Eriksen off the striker.
vicspur
Man On! exactly that's all we can do - guess - let's not pretend otherwise, surely.
Highgatespur
Ferdinand has been a coach at Spurs for over 5 years.
MAN ON!
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/spurs/news/kaboul-im-close-to-my-best_150311.html
ghulamville
kabouls starting to make some stupid comments recently
ghulamville
Pele10... He has indeed...
MAN ON!
Good morning MAN ON! Levy has been a chairman at Spurs for over 14 years. ;)
Pele10
Have Spurs employed Harry as their PR advisor?
MAN ON!
Maybe not Dublin, but that's needless to say he has to adapt his game slightly. We haven't surely paid £26mill for a striker who cant function unless he's getting deliveries from out wide even if that is the best way to get goals out of him. This is the EPL not Spain, his link up play can be top class, but his work rate inside the box is shoddy at best, to easy to mark and to easy to boss. Whether is down to the coaches or himself, surely he knows that the return this year hasn't been good and that he has to look at his own game and how he can improve it to get the return for us and himself.
coys1717
Watched the whole Copa Del Rey last night. Very good game, Barca with over 60% possession, but interesting to see how Ancelotti set up Madrid with Ronaldo missing. Bale, Di Maria and Benzema were downright scary on the break. The pace and power with which they attacked were superb. Bale seemed to enjoy himself more in Ronaldo's absence. Also, I noted Bale did not do any tracking back, any defending. Messi was just a passenger, either he is injured or mentally not there. Barca usually flow through Messi, but the last 3 games I have seen Barca, he has been ordinary. The managerial merry go round will start in a few weeks. There could well be vacancies at both Barca and madrid, which will mean 2 big names out of the picture for everyone else, but will mean Ancelotti will be looking for employment. It is going to be a fun summer.
vicspur
he still thinks we an get top 4
ghulamville
MAN ON! And Joe Lewis (the THFC owner) has only been seen once at White Hart Lane in over 14 years... ;)
Pele10
Well said Jod
Marlon Green
Has Sir Les been coaching Messi? Straight swap: Sherwood for Ancelloti?
MAN ON!
Pele10.. Lewis like to be where the sun is always shining and, that ain't WHL.
MAN ON!
Bale's goal last night was something to savour. Fantastic! What speed and control! Whatever he costs, buy him now!
MAN ON!
Highgatespur- as much as I respect your opinion we'd have to go with the FIFA definition of a homegrown..;)
shedboy2
Shedboy2, another fallacy of FIFA - homegrown when player's has already grown elsewhere!!! Thanks didn't know that....
Highgatespur
ghulamville- I don't see anything wrong in Kaboul's comments?...if he's getting fitter and feeling better than great...he'll either be an asset next year or convince someone to buy him...(he's in the last year of his contract)win win
shedboy2
highgate it's so it's not discriminatory....Lukaku will be a homegrown player! Gylfi did his time at reading...
shedboy2
In my neck of the woods homegrown means something else completely. I ain't talking fruit and veg.
MAN ON!
shedboy2 - The point is we don't have both. There are serious question marks about the atttude of most of our imports. Its one thing to praise someone like dawson's character but then say he's not good enough when you have a squad full of players with the same character. Its quite another when most of them don't seem that interested, to be just looking at Spurs as a stepping stone to a better club.
jod
MAN ON! Lewis likes to be where he doesn't have to pay tax and where the sun shines everyday, and that ain't White Hart Lane... ;) It must cost the Russian at CFC a fortune in tax to come along and support his team!!! ;)
Pele10
Pele10... Or is his Chelsea Real Estate one great elaborate money laundering machine. Dirty cash made clean....
MAN ON!
Jod- the management set the tone for attitude..they should be able to bring it out of people...Tim is getting praise for getting Ade to play...yet AVB dumped him because of his poor attitude...the trick is to bring them all together and not let rotten apples spoil the barrel....a decent manager and we get to see why we spent so much on Lamela, and capoue, Verts, Pauli et al...they won't all necessarily make it but we have to get better than a few running around for Tim...
shedboy2
Man on- perhaps you should stay off the homegrown...;)
shedboy2
My tomatoes and courgettes are always delicious....
MAN ON!
Man on- I bet it all tastes good and you always have the munchies...;)
shedboy2
I don't touch the other stuff...
MAN ON!
I'm serious about the toms... Moneymaker are are a great variety. Small, sweet and prolific. (No hidden meanings intended). ;-)
MAN ON!
Sorry. Not soccer related at all.... Keep 'em all. Next manager will see them rise to the top.
MAN ON!
Eriksen, Lamela and Soldado could well be a good front three ... but, while he plays like he is, Ade has to be in there too, imo.
Geofspurs
shedboy2 - You clearly have a much lower standard than I do. A player with the right attitude is not one who plays well when he feels like it. Its one who gives everything every time he steps on the pitch, regardless of circumstances.
jod
jod. I agree. Do the job you're paid to do.. If it's not working out, you get dropped or moved on.
MAN ON!
Keep Lamela it would be a bit of a shame to spend 26m, give him a handful of games then give him away. Im not sure I buy this injury bollox either. anyway Soldado, he's obviously an intelligent, classy player but just cant find the net. not sure, might improve next season but I don't see him being the 20 a season man. Im really hoping we can keep old of Capoue next year we need holding MFs and this kid is class, he's one of the few MFs in the squad that we know where he plays and how to play him. too many utility types talking of which Paulinho, I just don't get this guy, what does he bring, where does he play. where ever it is we've got better. If a decent offer comes in bite hand off at elbow.
notnats
David Ginola will be playing at King's testimonial, what a player.
Kong
DG is rubbish. Long live the King! COYS!
HOD_GOD_10
Our problems are much deeper then the 7 new players we added in the summer of 2013, 9 if you add in Rose and Townsend to that list, fulham h, stoke a, WHU a, then Villa h, from May the 11th, the board aka Levy have to sit down and work this complete shambles of a season off the field out first. Then maybe who ever is going to be running the shop can decide on what stock he keeps and who if anyone he moves on or even brings in. Until we all know the answer to the question, who is in charge for 2014-15 season, can we have hope of moving forward again.
spu 4 life
spu 4 life it's going to be interesting to see what will happen to Baldini and the coaching staff. It was Levy who brought in Baldini and sacked AVB as well as giving a rookie to decide our fate this season. If we think Spurs had a bad season on the pitch, I think the board should take a good look at themselves. I think Levy and co have had a right stinker. COYS!
HOD_GOD_10
shedboy2 - you really expect very little from players despite the vast sums they are paid, do you ? In any sport those who succeed are those who are focused, who can rise above circumstances. If a player stops producing it if he doesn't see eye to eye with the manager he has no place in a winning team. A Ferguson or Mourinho would show them the door, you make excuses.
jod
Man On! Interesting last post ... I agree but would like to extend that to all .... medics, coaches, managers etc... would you agree ? Of course players are higher profile and can take longer to remove...
Highgatespur
Know probably old news... but a case of history repeating itself....

http://www.essexchronicle.co.uk/Spurs-boss-goes-Daniel-Levy-s-wishes/story-20973619-detail/story.html
Highgatespur
Highgatespur. Of course, but the players can be seen to be doing their job whilst the others are mostly invisible. It's all subjective anyway. For instance, I see Soldado as being the complete opposite to Being's and some other's opinion of him.
MAN ON!
Made up laugh (and reminisce)....

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/04/17/tt-photo-usain-bale-the-best-memes-following-former-spurs-stars/
Highgatespur
Highgatespur. Is he now worth more than Ronaldo!? Those Real fans are in love with him..
MAN ON!
Man On! I really think that GB so his chance and he grabbed it .... Ronaldo wasn't best pleased by the looks of it - I think the the self proclaimed King has been usurped!!! Some of the teammates seemed hesitant to celebrate with bale at the end!
Highgatespur
Man On, they should be in love with him, 20 goals 16 assists this season, not bad at all.
Kong
Bale is worth more than what we got him for. He is a tour de force - a freak of nature (in a good way of course). COYS!
HOD_GOD_10
Lamela is a real talent. He needs some time to adapt and the club is looking out for him and giving him the time he needs. Fair play to Tim and co. I also really hope people keep harping on about him being a flop etc so it’s even more fuel for when he smashing teams to bits week in week out. Hopefully for Spurs for years to come. Soldaldo may need two firing forwards to compete against? Just a thought. There was a lot of pressure on him when he joined – some players will just keep the form others will only have flashes. Can’t really excuse him too much as he has been given time off and on the pitch. He will be the first one to put his hands up and say he wants his form off old when playing for this club. We need to add another top class forward in the summer whether or not he regains this form or not. Still want him to do really well. COYS.
SpursOne2
If we don't get Europa, there will not be enough games to keep a large squad happy. How do you integrate 35 players in to one game a week. Only Gomes and BAE are out of contract, of the senior players. So, not much help. Can probably loan out 3-5. That leaves a lot of selling without even thinking to address our clear issues. Some players will go because they want better. Myself, I will be hoping we finish on 72 points and get a Europa spot.

I agree with some, there is a huge potential of a three of Chadli, Eriksen and Lamela behind a top striker. I could even see Kane, with his height, ball control and reading of the game succeeding there. We have the players. Will the manager next season see it? Well, that's another question. I understood Lamela was not being played by AVB because he was not working in practice. I have no issues with that. Why should Lennon work if Lamela doesn't have to. Players are either part of the team or they don't play. 7 year olds get it. Why can't professionals. Coach's prerogative. Sherwood has my blessing in that regard. Now, if his issue is merely that he doesn't speak English, well, that's just stupid. COYS
peterballb
Jod- I don't know your standards but mine are high...I also understand that management and motivation of millionaires. elite athletes is more than saying 'do it or else'...first off there is 'do what?'....I haven't seen many players not trying...(perhaps the biggest proponent of that is Ade...but as he now feel like it he plays?) I've seen confused players, players not playing their natural game, frustrated players...it's a simple human quality (and how much you are paid has no bearing whatsoever) if you feel good (people use the word confident in football) and have a clear idea of what you are doing you'll perform better....Yes I have high standards which is why I want a manager suitable for a multi million pound squad....not some oik berating and pontificating whilst being clueless about just how clueless he is...
shedboy2
Hi peterballb. Are you saying Lamela was lazy in practice or the setup was not working out? COYS!
HOD_GOD_10
Peter- I believe 5 are out of contract...Brad, Gomes, BAE, Obika and Mason. As I posted on another thread we can shift a lot of players relatively easily as they are not on massive wages nor command high fees (whether they're high enough for Levy is another matter!) but would have takers...we should quite comfortably be able to purchase 4 players and be within squad limits...we just need someone in to sort it...we've wasted this season.
shedboy2
Yup - gotta say it again - agree why you fully! If it was so simple - why aren't we all in it ?!!!!
Highgatespur
*not why but with!!!
Highgatespur
Highgatespur- we can't! it's an old boys club look at the criteria for a pro license...
shedboy2
What's that - that rumour about knowing somebody in the know true then?
Highgatespur
Saw it - do you that's the reason for Sherwood not getting it ?
Highgatespur
no it's the cost and requirements...
shedboy2
Great comments from Kane, i love that Tim is giving the youngsters a chance on the big stage - http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/9268077/premier-league-harry-kane-feels-youngsters-are-crucial-to-tottenhams-cause COYS.
SpursOne2
Highgatespur- I don't know...but I thought you could only mange without it for 12 weeks...have we got special dispensation for Dim? or perhaps that's why he sat in the stands...didn't want to use all his time on the sidelines up..;)
shedboy2
In his press conference Sherwood has reiterated that Lamela won't play again this season, and denies that he's under pressure to play him saying “I read that the hierarchy here are asking for him to get more opportunities. Chance would be a fine thing, he’s injured, TS says he can't tell whether Lamela will go on to be a hit next season, but it's unfair to call him a flop.
Kong
Highgate I counted cross for own goal (assist 1), that one might have looked like naughton but I'm giving it to Lennon as Naughton has obviously nicked his place, goal 2, cross and Kane header, goal 3 cross, flicked on by defender and scored by Eriksen... 3 assists!!

To be fair I am bias and being bias here, I think Lennon has been great for Tottenham season in season out, scored some of the most important and best goals (that video arsenal 2-1 for exmaple), the 4-4 at the emiprats, even going back to chelsea 2-1 Jol... and has kept his place regardless of who comes in. This season he has been below par going forward (on a side thought would he be any worse than walker at RB), and needs to step it up. I just think he is worth the benefit of the doubt but be prepared to be dropped if he doesn't up it,,, no matter how bad he has been only Adebayor and Eriksen have been any better.
T.H.F.Chris
The loan was good for Holtby? Mr Sherwoods also said this in the interview : “We knew he was a good player, he’s playing in that No10 role and he has affected things. We’ve been watching him very closely recently because we’ve got this game coming up, and he’s done very well. I think it [the loan move] was right for him, I think he’s been good for them. It’s good that he’s played some games in the Premier League so it will benefit Tottenham next year. The last thing we wanted to do was to keep him here and for him not to play, so I think that all of the new signings – the seven of them – will improve and get better, and next year they’ll be better players for having the experience of playing. But they have to play to get that experience.” Maybe some more due for summer? COYS.
SpursOne2
Yea thats what this squad needs a butchers knife, if I handed the keys of a Ferrari to an incompetent chimpazee who regularly took 45 minutes or so to get it going, never got it into top gear or running smooth and kept fiddling with all the different set-ups even though it didn't know what they were for, would my solution be to sell the engine and computer system?
Slurms McKenzie
Thfchris, I honestly think we have turned a lot of good players bad this season through bad tactics and bad management, as well as poor motivation. Lennon is good. I always enjoy watching him when I journey to the lane. He maybe slowing a little but still terrifies defenders when he's running at them, playing in his correct position without having to worry about covering his wandering full back!
Dublin Hotspur
Excellent analogy Slurms!
SpuriousLife
"if we keep Sherwood," Spurious life.


Wash you mouth out with soap, Spurious. lol

Falstaff the Fool
This is what happens when sacking a manager during a squad transition.New players still finding their way; some quicker than others but then replacing AVB with a rookie was wrong. Levy should have left it till the end of the season. The board should not get away with this fiasco. COYS!
HOD_GOD_10
Have we forgotten.. Bale went to R Madrid and they had to treat him for this.. And how he recovered, as last night's goal showed Lamela just has to get fit and play.. TS is doing a AVB & Ade scenario again.. It will cost us as it will blow up the team spirit, Board members and fans again..
Block D Spurs
Holtby is a great guy and has clearly stated that he wants to stay with spurs and supports our club every game week.Hope he will succeed next season.Besides Spurs YouTube channel is no fun without him involved!!!
SilwalYid
With Lamela it is being unsettled, trying too hard when he did train, injury & and TS not showing enough support.. as he did for Ade & Robbie..
Block D Spurs
Come on Lamela ha http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/9269683/premier-league-tottenham-boss-tim-sherwood-rues-loss-of-gareth-bale
SpursOne2
Block D Spurs - TS not showing enough support to Ade? Don't make me laugh. COYS.
SpursOne2
one of the lads i work with isfrom argentina...he was saying that the very strong rumour is the eric will be included in the world cup squad...yes he is that highly rated. my view is that if he is included we will keep him if not he will be sold. keep all the new lads get rid of the dead wood and this includes lennon townsend rose walker (yes him hes been a liability) and sorry to say time for dawson. as someone as has allready said the new manager will have allready expressed his views on his way foreward...yes i believe there is a manager allready signed up
bangkokspur
hmm almost seems like Tim is having a dig at Levy for selling his best players....had Levy not done that perhaps we wouldn't have had to suffer Tim...
shedboy2
I’m pretty sure no one at the club wanted Bale to leave. Class player who is living the dream at REAL MADRID the lucky mofo. We are not that big a club yet.. Wanted him to stay like most fans but we all rue instead. Will Lamela be the next one? :-) COYS.
SpursOne2
AARON LENNON FIRST TO BE SOLD,he`s so bad now it`s not even funny,he`s proper $hit.
Dawson out
Rose definitely out
Walker definitely out
Siggy definitely out
Naughton maybe,Kane out,Kaboul out & Adebayor definitely out as playing good for 2 months in an 18 month period is unacceptable,you`re not going to achieve anything players like Adebayor & his play when he feels like it,this squad needs everyone on the same page.

All our summer signings to stay IMO as under a better manager we could see better from them,for me jury is still out on all of them.All our imo,better than they are showing & are willing to give all of them the benefit of the doubt.

lloris has to stay & vertonghen should be told he has to stay.

2 ex spurs players started & played for real madrid last night,that`s why we keep failing,because we keep selling our best & keeping our average.
Fanny adams
SpursOne2 Read his post again.C`mon
Fanny adams
Re-read fanny, but still don’t agree - Enough support for Ade but not enough for Lamela....even though the poor *****er is INJURED (not kidnapped by aliens like most comedians think). If he was fit and training then fine, but not the case is it? Still makes nooooo sense to me Big C. COYS.
SpursOne2
SpursOne2 I thing i misread your post by thinking that you thought Block D said that TS has not shown enough support to Ade.When he actually said the opposite.
IMO it did seem that that TS was having sly & unnecessary digs at lamela.
Fanny adams
Fanny - Everyone is finding an excuse to have a pop imo. Again he is Injured so and hasn't been a available. If he was available then i would agree? Do you see now or..Has he mistreated say Holtby? COYS.
SpursOne2
SpursOne2 I`ve re read his post & you`re right,how does Block D Spurs come to that conclusion of TS not showing enough support for Adebayor?
Adebayor is only second to bentaleb in his ,do no wrong favourite list
Fanny adams
FA- you may not like Lennon but he's the best on the right....Townsend, now he's proper $hit as is Rose (well they're not up to the level we aspire to be) they're first two on my list..avg is flattering...then there's Gylfi- no role for him we have better, Livermore and Carroll both on loan, both salable and both won't cut it at the top of the PL...Brad, gomes, BAE, Obika and mason are all out of contract- there's another 5 gone. Ade and Kaboul are both too big a risk to keep as they are in the last year of contract..as are Falque and Khumalo...so there's 14 we should lose before we even start to think about Lennon....and we'll need him, Naughton, Walker, Kane, Fryers, Daws to keep our homegrown numbers up!
shedboy2
Its cool mate. Have a good easter you and peeps. COYS lets smash Fulham.
SpursOne2
Fanny Adams, why would all our summer signings be better under a new manager but all our longer term players not improve under a new manager?

We still need CB cover for cup games and injuries, Dawson is a decent number four.

Walker needs managing not sellling! Rose is too small and too far away (most of the time) to be a LB.

Lennon is still a decent bench option for a smart coach! Siggy scores goals which is more than we can say for alot of our players, no he is not an out and out winger or a CM but the odd utility man is needed by every squad.

Ade's age starts to go against him especially if we are looking at the likes of Lukaku or Bony this summer, Naughton has been solid in a a very poor season for the squad, he will always be the under study but if he's happy then keep him.

Kane is starting to show that he might just be a decent striker and now that he has figured out where the net is you want rid? We need to sign a top striker we don't have cash to replace all our attacking options.

Kaboul is the one I am undecided on, if (yea a big IF) he recaptures his form from a few years back and keeps injury free then a very decent CB but can we afford to take the gamble?Oof all our CBs Chirches is the one who looks the least comfortable on the pitch and I have yet to be inpressed by him. But over all bulk of the squad have to get a pass becasue of the poor management we've seen this season.

I don't think a massive clear out and signing another 8-10 players is the way forward for the new guy. We have a decent squad we just need someone to use it. So our most important signing is still a new manager!
Slurms McKenzie
SpursOne2 I was wrong & apologise,you`re right 100% IMO & agree.

Lamela looks good & i hope lamela will be here next season along with Soldado.

I hope both Sherwood & Adebayor have only got 4 games left as Spurs employees.
Fanny adams
Slurms McKenzie Because they`ve been here for years & are $hit.

I want every one of our English players sold,along with Siggy,Adebayor & Kaboul.
They are bland players & this club needs to get rid of it`s deadwood & start with fresh cream.These average players have been dragging this club back for too long,get rid.

If you want the club to push forward then first get rid of the players that have been holding you back.
Fanny adams
Don't forget tom carroll. COYS!
HOD_GOD_10
shedboy2 So we have to keep $hit players just to keep the homegrown numbers up?
That`s why i`m 100% against the homegrown rule,it suits other clubs but not ours because our british players or homegrown ones are not of the same quality as other clubs.Spurs are already behind before the season has started because we have to make $hit players rich just to tick the boxes.
Fanny adams
Definiate outs for me are: Rose, Brad, Gomes, Chadli, Livermore, BAE, Obika, Ade and Khumalo with at best between 10-15 million coming back in (but huge aving on wage bill) will Ten million buy us a proper LB? we would still need a back up keeper, CB as either Kaboul or Chiriches or Dawson could be gone this summer, A proper striker is required as is a proper winger possibly two if lennon goes townsend isn't the finished articel yet and Lamela well we just don't know. Unfortuantely the list of required players is nearly identical to last summers wish list: GK, LB, CB, LW, RW, ST the squad still need 5-6 players to come in!
Slurms McKenzie
Fanny, the home grown rule as I understand it only restricts the size of the squad that can be named. Its not manditory to meet the figure of 8 homegrown players but does reduce the size of the squad you can list if you don't.
Slurms McKenzie
jeez,we still got khumalo on our books
ghulamville
Fanny some have definately under performed but then have they always been played and used to harnes the most of their talents. Remember that the $h1t players have been playing under 'Arry, AVB and Sherwood for the last number of years! Poor coaching and tactics haven't helped. I'm not saying they should be untouchable but we need to have a full squad and we can't afford to get rid of the bulk of the 25 and leave only 7-10 players at the club. We don't have the money to upgrade 15 positions in the squad. We've seen the devastating effect signing seven players had on our season so doubling the number of signings this season will certainly not improve things! What I'm saying is, get a proper decent caoch in to work with the players we have and sign about 5 players to plug the gaping holes in the squad. Let him work with the players over the next 6-12 months and let him move on the players that don't suit or come up to the mark over the next three windows or so. This would require Levy and co accepting that the manager is responsible for the team and that it will take a number of years to see the true benefit of appointing a good manager. As you say its debatable whether we actually have a top four squad at thsi club!
Slurms McKenzie
Yes Ghulamville, somebody had to keep the multi-million pound South African market happy...
Slurms McKenzie
HOD-GOD-10, AVB was pretty clear in his press dealings that lamela did not deserve to play. He also stated that there was a marked increase in his work ethic after his family moved to the UK. He thn got injured but was featuring more for AVB. So, I would suggest that it was entirely probable that there was a lack of effort and thus a lack of playing time. Formation had nothing to do with it. He, Chadli, Eriksen and others all needed to up their work levels. If it is expected of Adebayor, why in heck would it not apply to all players? If managers do not believe as players are working to the same level of every other player in practice and in games, the manager should not be playing them. I don't care what team sport it is, allowing some players to play when they do not deserve to kneecaps the team in the end. Coachs/managers make out their squad lists. I have no issue with that. In the end they will always be rewarded or castigated for what they do or do not do. AVB was told to play Adebayor regardless. Now Tim is supposedly being told to play Lamela regardless. That is where the problem lies. COYS
peterballb
Shedboy2, only BAE, Gomes and Friedel are considered in any numbers I or any others have proffered. Obika and Mason really aren't part of the senior plans, are they? Friedelmay well play another year. If Lloris goes, we will need some sort of a stabilizing hand at the back, even if the role is as a second/third option. COYS
peterballb
Ok Peterballb that make a perfect sense. AVB very much entitled to do that. COYS!
HOD_GOD_10
Again, talking about all those we need to give a good shove off is pointless until we know how many games we will be playing next season, who the manager is and how many players want the F out. Yes, every player can be forced to play out their contract. In reality, this does not work for the betterment of the club. Suarez was not forced to stay at Liverpool. There was no one willing to pay more than 40M plus 1 GBP His valuation had not been met. Liverpool still offered him a nice, new 225k/week salary. (less than Bale is supposedly on at RM without taking in to account Royalties and Namesake) We supposedly offered Bale 180k/week to stay as that was as far as we could possibly go. Yes, Vertonghen can be made to stay. If someone is offering him 120k/week, are we going to match that? Can we afford another year of his brooding and petulance? Can we afford Adebayor next season? If Monaco come in for Lloris, can we compete? We are not going to pay guys huge numbers so if any of RM, Monaco, PSG, Chelsea, ManU, Man City, Juve etc come in for or players, we are not going to be able to hold them off. We may (and it's a big MAY) get one more season out of such a player at 85% as we did with Modric. I fail to see how that helps. Chelsea were apparently willing to pay over 40M for Modrc. We took less than that a year later. If you pay what others will pay, you stand a beter chance of retaining them. We won't/can't pay, don't have CL and cannot afford the supporting cast that other teams have. It's our lot in the PL. 6th best resources and well behind Arsenal and Liverpool who are the next ones up the ladder. Lots of speculation in the air until after the WC and the picture becomes clearer. COYS
peterballb
Yes Slurms, that is correct. I believe you can name a squad of 17 foreign players without offending the rules. You just can't name the 18th player until at least one "Homegrown" player is included.. COYS
peterballb
If I had Joe Lewis's money and at my age I would be in a place you don't pay tax as well, does Thailand come under that umbrella?
spu 4 life
I agree with Jod, you don't only have to be good enough to play in the PL, you have to have the character, the balls, and the determination to adapt, to fit in, and to give as you get in the physicality of it. In Lamela's case, it could be the lack of these qualities, rather than any lack of ability that hampers him. It is all very well for Ardilles to say "he is the best to come out of Argentina for years", but that is precisely it, he has come out of Argentina, and played in Italy at Roma, both in the sunshine, with more time and space, and less aggressive marking and physicality in the game, in his comfort zone, rather than in games played at lightning pace, and the extreme phsicallity in the PL, in our notoriously inclement climate. He seems to have been almost permanently injured since he came, suprising, as he has hardly played, strange that, how has he got injured. Soldado has had his share of games, and has failed to have made any great impression except for his penchant for taking penalties. In open play he may have shown some deft touches, and nimble running, but he has failed to do what he is paid to do, score goals. Regarding our play not suiting him, it's a bit late to realise that, if he didn't suit us, he shouldn't have been signed, and should now be sold, players need to adapt, not teams to be turned upside down to accommodate individuals. The shame of it is, many of us on here wanted Wilfried Bony as our new striker signing last summer, you know him, that bloke who looks and performs like an English type striker, and has scored nearly 20 in all comps in a struggling Swansea side in his debut PL season, and incidentally cost half what Soldado cost, and is 4 years younger, but what do we know. It appears we have to pay a DOF telephone numbers to waste money. To be absolutely honest, the only ones of the new guys who have really made it are Christian Eriksen, and Hugo Lloris, although our pig headed amateur manager, has avoided playing Capoue and Paulinho, and when they have it has been out of position, Chiriches has been injured regularly, but originally looked promising. What I would say is, if I were Joe Lewis I would be severely disschuffed, if £109m of my money, taken from player sales, had been apparently wasted as it appears to have been.
Frank
Different cultures for different vultures

I made that up all by myself :)
Fanny adams
dempsey at least tried when we bought him as he was good for fulham, paulinho doesnt even try hes like a jenas mk2 but when he play bad it scasue hes out of position or bad tactics from TS..its he so good why cant he adapt (17mil) if he plays well ifs then not down to the mangers its him doing it himself. lloris needs to get hes act together
123spurs
If anyone's like JJ it's Bentaleb...Pauli has been good for most of the season...again playing different roles...not as strong since Adam nobbled him and he's played a lot of football...still if he hasn't character or skill we won't have to worry about teams that can pay him more coming in for him will we?...;)
shedboy2
All should stay, of course. Aren´t we the very 1st ones to complain about lack of consistency because of this revolving door at Spurs ?? How long till Modric or Bale really play well ?? Today, everybody´s got mad because of this picture displaying both holding a throphy and, adding insult to injury, wearing white shirts. I wonder whether they could still playing for Spurs if THFC has shown a lit bit more consistency...
AlexSpur
"I don't touch the other stuff...," MAN ON!


So the world is more grey and with less colour for you than it needs be.

Falstaff the Fool
Peter- Obika and mason are not part of any 1st team plans...I included them and others as I assumed that you had included them in the 35 figure? If Brad or anyone else signs it obviously takes up a place but 5 places will be freed up without having to think...obviously we need to sign a reserve GK...if Lloris or any others leave then again ther is another space....we can trim this squad back quite easily and better to lose a million each on 10 fringe players than lose 10m on one....
shedboy2
FA- we can name a squad of 25 players but only 17 can be foreign...we may want to upgrade on Lennon but imo there are about 14 others we should upgrade on first!....and- we can replace those 14 in only 3 or 4 players plus back up GK...should limit the 'gelling' argument for next year...
shedboy2
I am amazed that people think Paulinho, a Brazilian international, who was, before he came to us, keeping Fernandino out of their side, is not good enough for Spurs. Could it not be just possible that after coming in from Corinthians, and impressing in his first few games, he realised he had dropped a clanger coming to a club, who played him mainly out of position, surrounded him with journeymen, and then the final straw, put a "sponge man" in charge. I find it unsurprising that he is turned off, and will no doubt seek a move to one of the several more successful clubs, that better appreciate his quality, and who are seeking his signature. Regarding Lloris, he may also have finally decided, that it is not doing him any favors as an international GKer, having to try and emulate Canute, and hold back the tide, behind an almost non existent, shambolic, defense. hence some of the drub
Frank
The last sentence should read, "hence some of the drubbings suffered this season".
Frank
I don't think we can wait around, we need to identify the players we need and be pursuing them now! It doesn't matter how many games we are playing we need to upgrade the staff in key positions...we then start shifting the fringe, once we know how many games we'll play then we can decide if we let anyone else go!...we do need a manager though! tie the manager up, fire Tim and get him away from the club asap...onwards and upwards.
shedboy2
Frank - it's got to be PR spin to try and get fans to want Pauli to go so we can make a profit in the transfer market yet again....it's a bit of a coincidence that players we can make money on are linked away...Pauli, Verts and lloris....isn't it?
shedboy2
paulinho has been nothing short of disgracefull.i think he has decided the fast and furious pace is not for him.
ghulamville
make no mistake about it theirs a massive cull required,the tottenham job is not that appealing to the higher echelon of manager.they aint stupid
ghulamville
no,i sa keep tim
ghulamville
Frank, as a brazilian, maybe I can help you here: In Brazil, Tottenham Hotspur is not perceived as a "Big" club whereas Arsenal, United, Chelsea and even Liverpool are. All of this down to their CL appearances. Because of this, brazilian media fails to understand why Paulinho has joyned Spurs and not a "big" club. Being an english club just helps to make matters worse because it is easier for a portuguese speaking brazilian to move to Portugal, Spain or Italy. Paulinho probably follows brazilian digital media and could be influenced by it. I cannot say for sure, just a guess...
AlexSpur
A lot of us fans are of course upset with our two men in charge this season, but to blame either or both of them for players not giving a damn is wrong in my opinion. If certain individuals can't be asked then neither can I... Rose, for example, is criticised for a lack of effort and is called lazy, yet Paulinho supposedly has good reason not to bother. Why, because one is a better player? Who cares? They all have a responsibility to work hard and make an effort whoever they may be.
MAN ON!
The 35 figure includes the U-21's that currently don't count towards selection. The official site includes 32 senior players, of whom, BAE and Gomes are for sure gone. The other 30, plus those others is a scary number if not in Europe. If in Europe, it is manageable as some (Livermore etc) are very likely to be sold on.

Agree wholeheartedly that there are much bigger worries than Lennon. His defensive play earns him plaudits from every pundit, just as his lack of goals receives due criticism. Ideally, Lamela takes the torch, but he cannay do that if he is not to be played. Disagree with the Bentaleb comparison to JJ. very unfair as bentaleb looks a very talented prospect. Problem is, he is being used as if he's a grizzled veteran and that's where the issue lies. He needed a loan to a PL club so that he can find his spot in MF (I'm not sure exactly where he belongs, as such he looks not quite good enough wherever he is). Like Townsend being rushed in to cover for Lennon, the same has happened to Bentaleb. Hard to point out what he has done wrong but the constant errant shots and the almost passes have an effect on confidence. IMO, Townsend and Chadli should be competing for the LW. Lennon and Lamela for the right, Eriksen and Paulinho in the middle behind a striker with Dembele/Holtby and Sandro/Capoue behind them. We need to address CB as there is no way Vertonghen stays and plays anywhere near good enough. Dawson is, a number 4 who should be usurped by Hall who should be number 5. That makes Chiriches number 3. Huge decision to be made on Kaboul as he has oe year remaining on his contract, and, like Woodgate, I don't ever expect injuries to be a thing of the past. I'd suggest selling both Kaboul and Vertinghen and getting in two quality CB's. If Lloris goes, huge hole there. Lots of keepers. very few that can make those point claiming saves week in and week out. Rose, when he has played, has been left very isolated. Tough when your manager expects you to burst forth all the time, yet the LW is poor defensively. There are better out there. Walker, if a great offer comes in, I'd sell. Naughton, while not exciting, does a reliable job. Fredericks has something too. Again, whether RB or LB there are better out there so not too fussed if new players come in. Striker is tough. Can't see Adebayor staying and playing for 90k/week. Can't see us offering him a farthing more (look at last season before you run to keyboards in his defence). He is playing for a contract now. When he does, he plays well. The rest of the time he flatters to deceive. Soldado is good but he is not the striker we need. TBH, I can't even name a striker that I believe would suit this situation to a T. I do, however like what I have seen from Harry Kane and also believe that either Lamela or Chadli could play as a striker, so I am not all that fussed. If Soldado, Lamela, Chadli, Eriksen, Townsend, Paulinho, capoue do what they have the talent to do, there are lots of goals in this side. Can this group, with a few bad apples removed and a manager that they will play for, become a "TEAM". That is the question. If yes, the last 2 seasons were not for naught. If NO - back to the drawing board. COYS
peterballb
Good balanced article king. I agree, keep both, but only if the new manager wants them and they fit his style of play.
Windlespur
I love the excitement some have for Lamela and as I stated, I would keep him. However, lets be completely honest, when he did play (I remember going to whl to see him against tromso ) and against part timers he looked very poor. Kept coming inside, didnt show his skills and for me - jury is still very much out. Not enough game time, so keep him and play him - but a worldly mmmmm, hope so only.
Windlespur
Paulinho was thrown under the bus by his manager. What do people expect? He wasn't being played. The person who makes the selecton had stated in the press that he was "lazy". No doubt he was one of the many that couldn't be trusted. Caoue is in the same group. As is Soldado, Lamela, Townsend etc. I have never respected a single manager in sport who threw his players under the bus. Amanager's job is to protect the players in the press. What goes on behind closed doors is another thing altogether. The only certainty that I ever have is that a manager selected the best XI he had available. To do otherwise would be ridiculous. So, if the same things keep going wrong, I tend to stop blaming the players and blame the manager. How many stupid schoolboy mistakes does it take for a manager to stop playing an offending player. Mata doesn't track back. Mourinho believes everyone must work going forward and back. Rules, under good managers, apply to all, best player two years running or not. Also, good managers do not trash their own players in public, even if it is deserved. COYS
peterballb
Windlespur.. That's true about Lamela. He also kept giving the ball away.. Having said that I won't judge him on just a few games, and hope he's here next season to show us what he's made of.
MAN ON!
So the man is being criticised for not picking a player but then also being criticised for playing the very same player? Also, I don't recall all these imaginary incidents, concerning Sherwood, throwing certain players under the bus peterballb.
MAN ON!
Lamela is 21. Time is on his side and the skill is undeniable. Is the fight and desire necessary to succeed in the EPL there? I don't know. He certainly succeeded at Roma in a league where defences are generally very good and very well organized. He, like Cadli, is an off-sided winger, so the tendency to cut in to the middle will always be there. If you have an overlapping FB or a number 10 who works in and out (ideal for Eriksen), this is not really a problem. Roma did play 4-3-3 which meant he always had support from midfield on the right where you have to rely on the FB in a 4-5-1. It's a subtle difference, but it's what makes a style of play brilliant in a 4-3-3 and predictable and defensible in a 4-5-1. COYS
peterballb
Peter- JJ was a very good prospect,,,...doesn't stop Bentaleb looking like JJ at the moment though...runs up and down passes sideways etc..agree he needs a loan to see how he develops (he was considered more of an AM). Townsend has had lots of loans, what is he a year younger than Walker? hardly rushed into to cover for Lennon - he was going to be the new Bale this year...nope he's an adrenaline player and not a very good one at that- he's being found out under the spotlight- we should sell while we can. Verts was destroyed by the LB fiasco...a new manger may be able to turn him around...but we will need a CB so add a LB, LM/LW and a back up keeper we're ok...as for Striker Lukaku would be great (£) but a guy you liked a while back Wickham has done well on loan and taken his chance in the 1st team...both can play off the wing (like Kane) as can Jay rodriguez so I think there are options out there...
shedboy2
Sherwood dropped Paulinho when he wasn't playing well but then, re-introduced him and continued to play him. What bus?
MAN ON!
ghulamville- Pauli a disgrace? when? and keep Dim? ...you're on the wind up or a gooner agent... Man on- Rose tries he's just winded from running up the pitch..he's just not very good (see crossing, heading, tackling etc). Again I don't think Pauli has played as though he doesn't care...like Verts he has come off as frustrated...there is a huge difference.
shedboy2
shedboy2. I was going by what others have been saying not by my own words. I've not laid into Jan or Paulinho myself although I do believe they've both lost form. Then again, so have most of them for long parts of the season.
MAN ON!
We can't both be Gooner agents..... Can we?
MAN ON!
mano on- form is only temporary...they are both class. For me Rose and Townsend have only ever shown glimpses of good form, never class...
shedboy2
I agree.....
MAN ON!
man on- sometimes I wonder?...;) I think you just have a warped sense of humour...and tim tckles it...;)
shedboy2
I do have a warped sense of humour but...... I don't feel the same as most others do about Tim.
MAN ON!
He does make me laugh more than he could ever anger me though...
MAN ON!
MAN ON!, you might wish to read more articles. He and Paulinho had a war of words that lasted over an entire week. His comments concerning all those in the squad that cannot be trusted has been circulated quite a bit, and he stated he picked Bentaleb because he knew nothing of Capoue.

I have stated repeatedly, under every manager, that they are entitled t select whomever they please. If it repeatedly works, good on them, if it repeatedly doesn't it's all on them. They selected them. One cannot compain that the free kick taker constantly hits the wall when surely the manager has the prerogative to say, this player will take the free kicks. If throw-ins constantly go to the wrong team, surely a manager has the power to select another player for the task. Beyond all that, there is something called practice. When a team never "practices" penalties, is it really a shock when they are not converted? I could care less who is selected and what formation is played, so long as the team wins. That's what it is about. AVB in 26 games won 19, lost 4 and drew 3. Sherwood in 24 games has won 11, lost 9 and drawn 4. All games count, just like penalties count as goals and missed penalties don't. I did not want AVB. He was not even in my top 5 (go back, read the threads). That said, he did not do poorly in his year and a half with Spurs. Whether one liked what they saw was another matter, but his success rate was still 6% higher than Harry's. But AVB was crap. COYS
peterballb
shedboy2 wii the speculation around players don't mean much until the main man is in post! Who knows the new man might be #1 fan of our #3 and make him the next Danni Alves!!!!
Highgatespur
I can't see any grounds whatsoever for suggesting that Sherwood should be kept as Spurs manager, unless there is a hidden agenda to persuade all the high earning better players away, to be replaced with gambles from the youth set-up, together with seasoned PL hacks, who embody Sherwood's statement of "give me effort over ability", in other words the well known 8 miles/game headless chickens. This would greatly reduce the running cost of the club, and reduce the pressure to compete for the European places in the PL. We could muddle along in mid table or just below, with the likes of Stoke City, Hull City and Aston Villa among others for competition. We will probably/hopefully amass our 40 point safety net to maintain PL presence, until the hierarchy can manage to secure a buyer for the business, and scarper with their massive profit. Having said all of that, there would still be grounds to out Sherwood, and replace him with Tony Pullis, a bloke with proven ability in managing clubs within these levels of expectation, and he is good at it.
Frank
123, Pauli is a brazilian international. Tim has stifled him!
Dublin Hotspur
No, I don't need to read more articles. I know exactly what was going on. If that's war then I'm an insensitive ********. All Tim did was say what Paulinho had already said about himself. We all see things differently. I tend not to read into stuff that which is not there in front of my eyes. I'd choose poetry and philosophy if I wanted to do that. Certainly not the words of a simple football coach merely speaking openly and honestly about his team and club. It is just that. I see and hear things differently. I have read so much rubbish about football and footballers that I won't take anything and sensationalise it to suit my own agenda, which I feel a lot of folks do on here.
MAN ON!
shedboy2, I'll disagree with you there. JJ was one heck of a physical specimen. He had one heck of a shot, could thread a pass and could run for hours. The problem was, much like Walker, the brain is way behind the physical attributes of the player. Bentaleb is a smart player. He is playing above where he should be and with a level of scrutiny that is almost impossible to live up to at this level. If we did not have Dembele, Capoue, Sandro and Paulinho who are all being sat so that he can play, he would look brilliant and would feel a lot less pressure. e needs to be in a situation where he can just go out and play. That's hard to do with four international players sitting on the bench who are all far more proven than he is. Sandro, at his age, was dominating in Brazil. Teams played out wide against Internationale because they didn't want to deal with him. He was, and is, a monster. So is Capoue. He is not silky smooth like Dembele and he does not score or create aywhere near what Paulinho has. Further, he is not eventhe level of Holtby. This is where the problem lies. It's all well and good to give senior plyers a good kick up the butt by playing him or Kane in place of Capoue or Soldado, but you don't continue on with it unless the lad is performing at a higher level. I can make better arguments fr Kane than I can with Bentaleb, not because Bentaleb is poor but because he has not outperformed any of Capoue, Sandro, Paulinho, Dembele. Soldado has disappointed. Perhaps, like Palacios, Defoe and Adebayor, the weight of the personal life has cret on to the pitch. He has been petulant, pouty and is trying way too hard. Kane has looked ery comfortable, whether on the wing, as a second striker or as the guy up top. Kudos to him. And let's not forget that he didmake 6 appearances under AVB this season, so he was always in the picture. (I know TS discovered him just like Harry discovered Bale). COYS
peterballb
JJ is also a very eloquent young chap. Doesn't mean a thing when you're playing football though. (Or coaching it).
MAN ON!
Looking back to the starting days of the season - It was Hodgson's selection of AT that propelled his progress - far too soon imo... he has suffered greatly - about time to invest in him properly - I'm afraid I feel Lennon has had too many off seasons as a winger - we need a winger who crosses and scores at regular intervals.
Highgatespur
Lets all blame Tim, it's all Tims fault..... Nice move Daniel, make Sherwood manager and deflect the criticism away from yourself.
MrSpurs
But you are happy to take wht the gaffer says as gospel. WOW. This is whyy the press love him, Harry and Rob Ford. Nothing like a good quote. Here's another from some bloke who knew how to write, "Full of Sound and Fury, signifying Nothing". A manager who discusses anything but positives about his own players in the press will not have the respect of any of the players. I believe the genesis of that discussion in the press was Paulinho stating that he ought to be playing (the nerve of a full international to say such a ridiculous thing). He didn't say the coach is a moron or anything of the sort. He said, he ought to be playing. AVB avoided such press discussions. TS goes in with both feet. You respect that. I don't. Time and place. The news scrum is neither the time or the place. COYS
peterballb
highgatespur-what's this about Bale, team mates not elebrating with him and ronaldo, where did you see this?
BeingIStoBe
Highgatespur, and that is exactly why AVB did not think he should be selected. I'll disagree with you on Lennon, and frankly, IMO, they should not be in contention for the same position. Lennon is a RW. He is not a LW. Townsend is, IMO, far better on the left where his crosses are better and his cut-ins far more judicious. And yes, I agree we need to get him on track as the potential is there for so much better. With Pritchard and McEvoy right behind him, he has another year, perhaps two before it will have to be a cemented starter. Otherwise, more wasted talent. COYS
peterballb
It's not a question of my respecting Sherwood, or not. I just don't see it the way that yourself and others do, peterballb. I can't personally see what all the fuss is about. That's all.
MAN ON!
THFChris - it says a lot when you back him with examples from years ago... He was good up to five years ago... he hides a lot and has minimal influence throughout the game... form she ought to show more authority on the pitch! If you are at the game on Saturday watch him off the ball - he hides a lot... He'll have a blinder now.
Highgatespur
MrSpurs, being named manager is not Tim's fault. Any one of us would have taken the job. The managerial mess is all ENIC's fault. And, in the end, that means Levy because he is the Chairman and he is an owner, so he has a huge amount of power. That said, it is not unfair to suggest Tim is out of his element. If BMJ, Ramos, Harry an AVB can all take guff for player selections ad formations, surely Tim must answer those criticisms too. I reckon if Tim did more talking on the practice pitch and less in the press, there would be a lot less to be annoyed about. Teams are dropping points. So are we. COYS
peterballb
B2B - on the television last night.... he's had a few flak thrown at him recently by his team-mates.... they didn't celebrate much with him....
Highgatespur
Peterballb - I wouldn't hold my breath - four games to go hopefully.
Highgatespur
peterballb. Shakespeare would have made a great football writer. He loved to go way over the top and sensationalise everything to.
MAN ON!
MAN ON! Fair enough. It is a forum of opinion. I believe part of a manager's job is to protect his players - from themselves, from the press etc. Managers should do nothing more thn to praise players in the press or say nothing at all. I find that an other behaviour diminishes the value of "TEAM" while augmenting the value of "I". Just how I see it. In a month or two, all will be clear. Either the players all want to stay or there will be a whole bunch jonesing to get out of town. With so many of our top players in the WC, that will not bode well for them staying if they do not wish to. COYS
peterballb
Petrballb so if we play players strengths - when did we last see Lennon do that throughout a game ?
Agree with you on Paulinho... and Kane...
Highgatespur
Peter - agreed it is Levy who should be suffering the backlash for an insane decision to place the first team in the hands of someone who has no experience or qualifications in management. I'm not defending TS I definitely do not want him as manager next season (hoping for LVG) but let's not forget Levy and Baldini are behind this mess, to criticise TS all the time is missing the point IMO.
MrSpurs
peterballb. I do understand your viewpoint on protecting players etc., I just feel there's a big over reaction to everything TS says. It doesn't mean that I necessarily agree with his words and ways all the time, it's just that I think he means well but that he's not so good at expressing himself.
MAN ON!
Highgatespur, I think that is where people's expectations are way out of whack. We all want Lennon to score more, but when has he ever shown himself to be a true "sniper". He is a well above average RW in the defensive end, an abov average crosser of the ball, and a very poor striker of the ball. That has always been Lennon. I don't expect him to score 10 goals. I hope for 4 or 5 and expect 6-8 assists a season while continuing to excel at tracking back. I am hopeful that Lamela comes in next season and takes the position making Lennon a player we need to move on. Lamela sitting is not going to make that happen. COYS
peterballb
MAN ON! Just like Harry, Tim knows what will happen. The press hang on his every word and he is happy to oblige. Sometimes it is better to just say nothing. AVB said lots, but rarely was there anything anyone could take offence to. Ramos had no time for the press. Jol talked all the time. He just talked football though. Never a negative word about his players. That's why he was respected by so many whether you wanted him to continue on or not. Mourinho doesn' get in to it with players in the press. His answer is usually, I am the manager. I decide who plays. COYS
peterballb
Highgate I can easily bring examples from last season, winner against arsenal (2-1), winner against Liverpool (2-1), assist for last minute Dempsey equalizer against Utd (1-1).. They are not easy games and testiment to a true performer. The reason I mentioned the other games is they were three of the most celebrated goals in recent times... Lennon has been poor this season but again so has EVERYBODY else (except Ade + Christian)....

Dublin, hard to disagree with that, we have made many players poor this year. Soldado is prime example, look at his goals last season, all worldy crosses and volleys... what does avb do, doesn't play wingers which means no crosses......
T.H.F.Chris
THF Chris, I won't argue that Solado needs wingers throwing in timely crosses, because that's what he does. I just have trouble blaming AVB when Lennon was injured, Townsend te bst we had and very wasteful, Chadli not up to speed and Lamela way off the pace. He was, unfortuntely stuck playing Sigurdsson and others on LW an it just was too pedestrian. Injuries have hurt us a lot this season. Lennon down meant Townsend was thrown in. Ade out/gone/whatever, meant Soldado had to jump right in. Sandro out meant Capoue was in too quick, then injured. Kaboul still out meant Dawson plaed way too much. Roe injured meant Naughton and Vertonghen on the left. Then Vertonghen down too. None of the new players had the luxury of bing eased in. Sink or swim is not how you qualify for CL. Sherwood has the same issues. COYS
peterballb
Peterballb, "I hope for 4 or 5 and expect 6-8 assists a season" he doesn't even manage that!! "while continuing to excel at tracking back" is that his role now - then we need a RW and relieve from his 'duties'....can't wait for Lamela - don't think he'd be a straight replacement for Lennon tho...
Highgatespur
THFChris - granted they were great goals in BIG games ... so why can't he do that for most games.... knowing what is possible ... he frustrates me so much on a regular basis!!! He ought to be a regular star in that side....
Highgatespur
Highgate,he has not had a ful season, and I think that people's expectations are unrealistic. His defensive plays have saved us countless goals against. If Walker is in the lineup, you'd better have Lennon. It's why I liked Corluka. He sayed back, y and large, let Lennon concentrate on going forward and linked up well with hm. That's when we saw the best of lennon. Then Harry threw him under the bus in Madrid and his confidence went out the door. lennon is better than he has shown but he will never be that goal scorer everyone wants. That is why I was ecstatic when we signed Lamela. he is efensively astute and he has bags of goals and assists in his arsenal. Far betterplayer, if allowed to grow in to the league. COYS
peterballb
Sorry Peterballb I just think he chooses the games he plays in... too many off days for me.
Highgatespur
highgate he certainly is an enigma to many, this season just average in an average team, probably hard for him to get up it when Bale and his best mate Defoe have been replaced with Chadli and Soldado... financially you may argue he should perform, psychologically says it's all relevant... Like I said though he needs to be better next season, if we replaced him with a goal scoring right winger i would be happy..

Peter AVB could have played townsend left wing, also he could have bought some bloody correct footed wingers and not go all out for inverted wingers with a forward dependant on crosses....
T.H.F.Chris
Interesting article on the way club's treating the Lamela case

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/tottenham/id/2505?cc=5739
Highgatespur
THFChris - I agree with your point re inverted wingers and Soldado...
Highgatespur
THFChris - Ok I'll watching Azza with my beady eyes for the next four games ... and report back on my 'mission'... Mr Blud you've been served with a last chance saloon !!! LOL
Highgatespur
good man highgate!! at least it gives a reason to keep watching our season...........
T.H.F.Chris
Yup it sure does - hopefully distracting me away from the dancing and prancing on the touchline from you know who!!!
Highgatespur
Tell me if I remember this correctly. Rose was a midfielder on the left wing when he started, but he wasn't quite good enough so some manager or coach decided to reinvent Rose as a LB? But now at LB he forgets his position and plays up field as though he was an outside midfield player?
Falstaff the Fool
Hey Falstaff - he was a winger - that conversion took place 3 years ago... he also seems to have forgotten how to cros.. he wa all claiming to be the best LB at the club the season b4 last.... he doesn't play ... launches missile into orbit ...
Highgatespur
I agree that tims man management skills and treatment of certain players has let him down and more than likely contributed to some lacklustre performances from seasoned professionals who should be running through the proverbial brick walls in a world cup year. the players don't believe in tim and they are not playing for him, in his case I wish he'd stick to the old saying never miss an opportunity to say nothing. however in the case of our highly rated Brazilian international Paulinho im sorry but I just don't see what he brings to the team or why he starts in front of others. when has he performed at the level that justifies his reputation? what is he, box to box? im not surprised that his recent performances have seen him compared to JJ. I still maintain that where ever you want to put him we've got better. and if he is indeed a top high level player then his attitude stinks.
notnats
I don't think it would happen, and it would probably be unpopular, but my 1st choice for new manager is Tony Pulis (2nd Poch, 3rd LVG who I know in my bones will fail disastrously and be a media circus. He'l be looking for a pension, that's all). We need someone serious and TP is that. He's underrated and may surprise people when given players. We have players now, players who might not sign for him otherwise. With an odd home based addition he might work. First signing... D Milnar, but I could see LP sniffing around there. Milnar is the exact player we need to begin to gel all the foreigners together, make him the leader in the MF. Well, there it is.
ardone
Gday ardone, Tony Pulis could probably do something with our defence but lets face it he'd be crucified from the go. decent manager and im actually glad o see palace doing well. last time I looked their goals against was about the same as ours not bad considering their position. Are you talking about james milner ? I don't have a problem with him as a player but he'd just be another addition to our already bloated list of MFs. the reason I question the value of players lie Paulinho and where he plays is that we have so many utility types that we don't seem to know what their best position is and where to play them. the likes of pauli, siggy, chaldi, dembele, holtby seem to be interchangeable but never able to nail down a spot. we'd have to lose a few before we stat looking at players like milner. I think/hope our first signings will be defenders.
notnats
Rose was a winger at Leeds when we bought him so maybe Spurs tried to convert him to LB because Bale was so dominant, BAE could play there as well as Lennon. They must have seen potential and if I'm not mistaken quite a few clubs in England were looking at him. He needs proper coaching. It is a specialist position and either a top defensive coach or an experienced LB needed. Preferably both! COYS!
HOD_GOD_10
Spursone2 & Fanny, You have misread what i said... I meant TS has not showed enough support to Lamela because he did show massive support to Ade & Robbie, by comparison.
Block D Spurs
Lamela is obviously class so hopefully we'll keep him. Soldado - it could still go either way - are we gonna play to his style? If not we may as well change. Despite wanting to keep Lamela, I think if we've players not willing to learn English, get shot of 'em. For what its worth, I think Paulinho is a number 10 - think Lampard with skills. Would be very effective there and score lots. I don't think he's much cop in a midfield 2 but would be ok in a 433. We knew nearly a year ago we'd bought lots of number 10's. An amazing squad if played in their positions but if you've 3 number 10's it means 2 don't play. We try to adapt to fit everyone in and end up less than ordinary (certainly to watch). That we've been 5th/6th all season despite being pants just shows both the quality of the players and the poor management displayed. But it would be silly to rip it all up. Mainly we need to sort defence and also get some balance.
jerkinmahjurgen
And we need a new thread. :D
jerkinmahjurgen
Jerk we do mate unless someone comes up with a decent post for the time being ;) COYS!
HOD_GOD_10
Reports from Italy suggests we have signed former Milan boss Masimiliano Alegri. I know nothing about this chap. Source is from corriere dello sport. COYS!
HOD_GOD_10
Jerkn, not sure if paulinho is a number 10 or if he just wants to be a number 10. he does like to get forward and gets into some good positions but is wasteful in front of goal. I haven't seen any Lampard like goals yet. if the number 10 is his best and preferred position then unfortunately I think he's a long way down the pecking order.
notnats
HOD - Alegri was not particularly good. He got sacked because Milan slid down the table and we're playing very badly last season. He is NOT the manager we need!
SpuriousLife
Masimiliano Alegri? I thought he won the title with Milan...
MAN ON!
Earlier this season he was sacked with Milan in 10th place (or thereabouts) in the league and the club in a mess. He is regarded as a failure in Italy but the fact that Milan haven't improved a great deal since he was sacked has helped his reputation a little. IMO he is the WRONG choice for us. He is like AVB minus the beard!
SpuriousLife
Notnats, you're probably right. He reminds me of Fat Frank, though, often lumbering around doing feck all. Which ain't so bad if you score 20 a season. What a season. And end to a season. I'm like a wounded, in a desert. Uncomfortable. Exhausted, just waiting for the slowest ever death to finally happen. Even run out of wee wee to drink. Up the Spurs!
jerkinmahjurgen
Ok, But he did win Serie A didn't he? I haven't checked...
MAN ON!
jerkinmahjurgen. Maybe the Foreign Legion is the best place for us all. In a football desert far away from WHL.
MAN ON!
Happy Easter!
jerkinmahjurgen
If we just call Tim, Sherwoodinni, I'm sure we'd all feel much better.
MAN ON!
...Or Tim Van Shall?
MAN ON!
More likely we'll be at Upton Park.
jerkinmahjurgen
Jurgen Sherwoodman?
MAN ON!
Cadbury's cream egg anyone?
MAN ON!
Spurs 7-4 Fulham!
MAN ON!
MAN ON - He won the league in his first season at Milan (2010) and then slowly went downhill from there.
SpuriousLife
His star is descending rather than ascending. You never know, he might be brilliant but we said that about Santini, Jol, Ramos, AVB etc. etc. etc.
SpuriousLife
SpuriousLife.. Ok, cheers. I had a vague memory of his name...
MAN ON!
corriero dello sport is a reputable newspaper site in italy
ghulamville
Surely with our squad someone can win something for Spurs? Anyone?
MAN ON!
Cheers Jerkn its definitely been one of those seasons limply walking through the desert and without a compass too, but just like mad fools that we are we'll just keep on walking into next season. Is being a football fan normal behaviour?
notnats
notnats... For non-football fans, no!
MAN ON!
We're like a bunch of football junkies waiting for our next fix. The high lasts for a few matches, then the downer hits for the rest of the season.. Have a nice day y'all... ;-0
MAN ON!
Harry Winks scored the winner against Germany for England under 18's! YEAH!
MAN ON!
There does seem to be an abundance of Italians needing jobs. Anceloti is the pick, I think. Mancini would be an upgrade, lets admit? I don't know about Alegri's playing style. I don't really like the idea of Capello. Sherwoodinho, imho, has blown it. Wha'zee coming out with now?? Like Bale's the difference between us challenging. Roll on the fkn floor laff'n. Harry had us playing and I looked forward to the games, until the end... Therefor I could put up with his anti-football thoughts and financially-motivated crap, but you've got to get something back, no? I've been hoping and dreaming Tims' been doing the right thing but we're definitely in reverse. Levy's now stuck waiting (rightly) to see if we can get a top-class, big-rep manager, who we'll only get at the last if they get no better offers, and our odds aren't great. Really impressed with Pulis. He would be my back-up should all the big names stuff us over.
jerkinmahjurgen
That Archway Company is going to be right in the middle of our new stadium, should add some steel to our defence then.
spu 4 life
He surely bundled it over the line in style, Man On. Spurious, it doesn't matter about the 2nd to 4th years, we'll only keep him for the one. Maybe another half...
jerkinmahjurgen
Berlusconi to buy out Joe Lewis and ENIC?
MAN ON!
Then we need a new dealer, Man On. lol, Spu.
jerkinmahjurgen
Then Berlusconi's our man...
MAN ON!
Anyone fancy a game of 3 and in?
MAN ON!
Its been a confusing few weeks with all the media BS about various managers and who they might or might not manage next year but im starting t doubt that manu will sack Moyes at the end of season or that arse will sack Wenger unless of course they lose the cup final. it very possible if not more than likely that spurs will still be the best club and best and best option for any potential manager who wants to work in engand.
notnats
ooops please excuse my engish.
notnats
The good thing about Allegri is he's clean-shaven. But he does sound like a crap car. Would Rafa the Goat come to Spurs? Who's Berlusconi? Is he loaded? I've almost had it with all this 'well run' bow locks we have to fall back on every year. So close, so close. Always so close! How many more times do we rely on dreams for comfort before the wifes' fart drags us back to reality?
jerkinmahjurgen
allegri won the championship when the mighty juve were demoted in the 2nd tier after match-fixing.
ghulamville
wow,this is so typical enic-get a manager on the cheap(no compensasion to be paid)thats the reason why we went for avb in the first place.thats why someone like rafa wont be manager,he is bound up on a contract.CHEAP SKATES
ghulamville
He didn't have allegri to stand on.
notnats
and what the feck is happenning to this thread
ghulamville
so does it appear the interest in lvg has cooled?
ghulamville
Good link highgate
Dublin Hotspur
Moyes was lined up for the United job long before SAF left, so why fire him after 1 season? Wenger should stay put until he retires. I know a lot of Gooner fans want a change. If they get embarrassed by Hull in the cup final, I suppose he could be gone. Surely Pellegrini will stay put. I'm sure we will still have a couple of good options open to us come summer.
MAN ON!
Allegri installed as the new favourite 11/8 to be next manager
ghulamville
Pulis is a proper footballing bloke. Whereas AVB wanted to be seen as clever and it means more to Tim to be funny. Cathys' Clown. Everly Brothers, not Manfred Man. Just sayin'.
jerkinmahjurgen
Ghulam, LvG - no compensation ? Does that mean the club are cheap stakes there as well... who knows maybe Baldini is stirring up the pressure for LvG thru Italian connections... Any way can't get worked up until the long awaited announcement tales place!
Highgatespur
Ha ha said the clown. Manfred Man.
MAN ON!
Lvg imo was a smokescreen,ive felt that for a while
ghulamville
So it's Pullis then?
MAN ON!
Ghulam, Still cheap stakes then ? No compensation involved ?
Highgatespur
Always interested when ex Spurs return to WHL as to how they'll perform... a fair few possibilities of retunes tomorrow ... who is going to shine and bomb the most.... Assume Lewis will be there with his baseball hat - good behaviour with the tweeting now Lewis.... LOL!!!
Highgatespur
Dublin, thanks - but beyond the blasé comments and the disjointed manner, I think it's quite nasty whats happening there at the moment...
Highgatespur
highgatespur-the policy appears to be get those who are free by the summer,it so happens lvg has a half decent cv.so what.lets widen the scope fully to include everybody.than you can filter in the attributes you want as manager
ghulamville
Highgatespur. I'm not challenging you, just asking: What do you believe is nasty?
MAN ON!
Man On - deliberately making fun of... keeping it all a secret enabling foolish "lost found" around N London... making fun of him in public... touting that he could be fit... and then not - it's the same b****y club for crying out loud! That's nasty..
Highgatespur
Ghulam, your last posting doesn't tie in with in your "cheap stakes" comment on the club
Highgatespur
cheap stakes?dont u mean cheap skates
ghulamville
yes new article available
ghulamville
No I think he means cheap steaks, tesco have buy one get one free, just seen Danny Boy coming out of the cheshunt store, trolley well full.
spu 4 life
Highgatespur. Okay, cheers.
MAN ON!
So what has happened to the end of season ''no decision'' meeting with Tim via the board, the metro story is based on the italy newpaper story, one minute Tim was being removed aka SSN then it all back tracked, the day we smashed another top team Sunderland, the one that drew with Man City.
spu 4 life
This web site has turned into our team, all over the place, with no direction, has Tim been trying his hand at web design?
spu 4 life
yes Ghuklam sorry for the typo - nice deflection to not to answer the question .... hmmmm.... won't get any marks in the tests if you answer by avoiding the question!!!! LOL
Highgatespur
spu4life - just went on the official site - no announcement there either....
Highgatespur
Nuts to all of them. Just bring in Sean Dyche and be done with it. COYS!
HOD_GOD_10
The only person to go should be the manager/coach/PR man/or whomever else he thinks he is, as we won't lose Levy until the money's right for ENIC.
longtimespur
 

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