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TIM OUT NOW!

The time has come for Daniel Levy to stop playing games with our club, and to stop the rot and unsettling damage that Tim Sherwood is inflicting on our squad.

From my perspective, I can see that the majority of fans want Tim's tenure ended, and fast. Manchester United have acted swiftly in removing David Moyes from the helm, and will need to act even quicker to appoint an new manager to appease the NY Stock Market. Their share price has already taken a hit, but with a swift announcement of a new top class Manager, and a potential war chest of £150m + to spend on rebuilding the squad, they will come back stronger. It may take them a season to restructure and get back to challenging, but they will do it right this time!

We don't need to restructure our squad, we only need a couple of tweaks and to clear some dead wood, but we do need a top class manager to take us to the next level with the quality we have. We have a great chance to jump the gun over Man U and begin our own race to challenge for the prizes we all want.

We are, however in danger of losing a chunk of our quality players due to the mis-management that has been going on this season, and public ridiculing of our players.

The time is NOW to act. Remove Tim, put Stefan Freund in charge for the last three games, and announce our new manager. We cannot afford to wait until the middle of May, or God forbid, after the World Cup. We Do not want to enter a dog fight with the likes of City, Arsenal, United etc for the cream of Management. We will end up only marginally better off than we are now, with a much less quality on the field.

No more time wasting, no more games. Remove Tim, appoint a world class manager, and communicate to the fans and the world as quickly as possible..as in Now.

Written by Dublin Hotspur




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Date:Wednesday April 23 2014

Time: 8:17AM

Your Comments

I hope you're right Dublin. Unfortunately I don't think Levy sees it the same way as us though. I fully expect to still be waiting for an announcement in July (assuming we get one at all!). No good to us but it tends to be the 'Levy way'.
SpuriousLife
Hopefully there is an announcement once the season ends one way or another. We need to know what is happening, the club said they will assess things at the end of the season so lets see what they mean.
Kong
I have to say that unless there are major issues in the dressing room, removing Sherwood before the end of the season would be madness
oxfordspur
I agree, if Tim isn't the manager next year, then I really hope that Levy is already sounding out his replacement. I don't see him getting rid of Tim till the season is over though, as I'm pretty sure our next manager is currently employed elsewhere - I have about as much of an idea who the next man is as any of you, just, there aren't many decent managers unemployed right now. The reason I think we'll wait is, that whoever the next man is, if he's at a job right now, then is he really going to want to sign for another club with a few games of the season remaining? He'll more than likely want to finish his season. As I said, I have no idea who we're moving for, but I have a real suspicion that Levy is eyeing up Pochettino.....
King26
But who is the world class manager that would take the Spurs job on?

Its a bit of a tough job as the fan expectations are very high and the patience of the board is very low. At best the club can achieve a top 5 or 6 finish (being honest) and yet the one manager who exceeded that you fired.

All top managers will be waiting to see if they can either get the Man U role or if the Man U appointment frees up another good job. Yes Spurs have a very good squad with some really good players in it but the squad as a whole is pretty unbalanced and with the possibility of some of the bigger names leaving during the summer (Lloris, Vert, Sandro and Paul would be the ones I would fear for) it's quite likely going to be another summer of transition.

If you lot are going to build a new stadium, then you need to appoint a manager who can manage the club for the next 5+ years to get you thru the stadium build.

And all this talk about winning the league needs to stop, it doesn't help anyone and only raises the pressure on the players.

Galway Gooner
How many times have we been on here and said we do not need whole sale changes but get a few quality players in and cut the deadwood. Yet years after year our new players have not been up too it. I think we are some way off it now. Need at least a left back, a centre back or two if Verts goes, a centre forward or two, a back up keeper and that is providing we keep our better players. I think we could do with better wingers too.
nothappyharry
"We have a great chance to jump the gun over Man U and begin our own race to challenge for the prizes we all want." What the hell does that actually mean ? What do you believe a new manager will actually achieve ? spell it out. Manchester United have 2.5 times our income. Comparisons are meaningless. why is this so hard to understand ?
jod
"No more time wasting, no more games. Remove Tim, appoint a world class manager, and communicate to the fans and the world as quickly as possible..as in Now." Deluded. Which world class manager? Would you have put Brendan Rogers as "World Class" 12 months ago? Of course not. But he'll still manage Liverpool to the title. With potentially 2 or 3 at most "world class" players. I'm not saying that Sherwood should stay. Not at all. But stop this "We must get a world class...." nonsense. But of course there is another factor at work on here also. If you go into any work place and see someone promoted and then be totally berated before he has even sat in the seat like Tim was then how would that person perform. All the garbage about Gooner Tim, Barrow Boy etc. At least Man U gave Moyes a fighting chance. You lot never gave Tim ANY chance at all. But then when you live in fantasy league which MOST (not all) of you do then fantasy is all you deserve. I'm out of here once and for all. I'll carry on supporting The Club and if DL is still chairman and ENIC still own the club then so be it. Here is the best link for 90% 0f you. fantasy.premierleague.com/‎
maccaspur
maccaspur - Spot on about Rogers. Fans don't seem to understand that the only way for a club of our size to get a genuine top manager is to get him BEFORE he is recognised as such. Pretty much the same as with players.
jod
I'd like Tim to do before he alienates any more players, he choose the wrong player with Sandro tho as he's a real fan favourite. I hope levy has a idea in his head of who he wants but I had a nightmare that he appointed moyes with sherwood as number 2
waztap
Unless a major catastrophe happens I can't see TS going anywhere before the season's up.... hopefully a manager's already is in place bar the announcement .... COYS!!!
Highgatespur
The only thing getting rid of him now would achieve is giving us the unenviable tag of being a club that sacked 2 managers before the season is even through and making it tougher to win our remaining games. I can't say I'm overly enthused by TS but there's just no benefit in getting rid of him before the seasons out when the vast majority of potential replacements are still in a job. What's more fans will end up putting pressure on the club to announce a new manager straight away when waiting just a few extra weeks will increase the choice.
flipper
Appreciate your frustration Dublin but I can't see Levy making any announcement any time soon. Regarding the "world class" manager debate, well LVG is close to that description and if Utd move in a different direction he may still come. If that happens, then the jods of the world will see that winning football teams are not all about corporate revenue, important as that can be. If not then I am sure Levy will string it out until it's too late to move in the transfer market (other than maybe selling a prize asset or two) probably appoint/continue with the cheapest option whatever their qualifications. I think maccaspur was very condescending in his comments but there is an underlying truth in what he says in that we have won one milk cup in the past 14 years, had only one fairly successful manager who Levy sacked after achieving the Holy Grail of CL qualification and have been playing poor football ever since, so what right do we have to expect any class manager or player to want to join the Levy real-estate development corporation masquerading as THFC? Money and unemployment are the only drivers in our search for excellence because our Board have no idea about the qualities of non-headline making managers, unlike David Dein when he was at Arsenal and spotted Wenger.
Harry-Kari
The positive for us is that Im expecting United to be very proactive and look to tie up a replacement for Moyes in quick time, even if he isn't in place or made official before the start of the season. You imagine all their main targets are currently in work and because of that might not be available or certainly in positions where it can be made public, but f for example they want LVG, you at least expect Spurs to be aware and therefore know they are out of the running
oxfordspur
Please don't fire Tim now. There's every chance that he can keep us up and we'll once again have PL football to look forward to next season. I know it's been tough, struggling at the bottom and it's been emotional, but we can do it. Have faith brothers and sisters. Only 3 matches to go. Avoid relegation Tim and the fans will love you. COYS!
MAN ON!
The benefit of removing Sherwood and announcing his successor as soon as possible has obvious and urgent benefits. For a kick-off, despite towing the line publicly, it's blindingly obvious that a number of players simply don't want him as their manager. Now, I'm no advocate for player power. But if we indulge Tim any longer than necessary then he could, by virtue of his own ego and stubbornness, be responsible for dismantling what could next season be a very highly competitive squad. Don't get me wrong, there are a few very highly paid players at our club that I wouldn't shed any tears over at their departures. But when you hear serious rumblings about Lloris, Sandro, and God forbid Eriksen having their heads turned then you can only imagine that a sharp and impressive managerial appointment would have a positive effect on any players getting itchy feet. I'm just keeping everything crossed that this happens sooner rather than later. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
Dublin, who is this world class new manager that Levy should inform us about? Do you know something that we don't. If so, you better tell Daniel.
MAN ON!
Dublin Hotspur, Thanks for the article It's clear your hearts in the right place! But you are missing the point. The title of the article should read 'ENIC OUT NOW'. Let me explain... Joe Lewis is the vast majority share holder of ENIC, therefore he is the vast majority share holder of THFC. He owns both ENIC and THFC! He made the personal decision to employ a share holder of the ENIC corporation as his THFC chairman, Daniel Levy. The chairman he employed on a 2.5 million quid yearly salary has the worst trophy per season percentage of any THFC chairman since World War Two. Levy has failed to reach a single FA Cup or European final in 14 attempts. He has failed dismally on the stadium issue as well causing the club great embarrassment with the pathetic manner in which he handled and LOST the bid for the Olympic Stadium. And as we approach ENIC season 15 he has still not even raised the finance to build the new stadium. Levy has got himself through 9 coaches, 3 DOF's and a new technical director (same thing) who offered his resignation earlier in the season. His treatment of AVB, Harry, Ramos, Jol etc etc was disgraceful! And now his new coach, coach number 9 was employed not based on technical merit, he was employed as head coach of THFC as a desperate cheap attempt at saving his own arse after the appalling manner he treated AVB... I cant stand DIM, he makes me cringe every time he opens his big mouth. But DIM is only here because LOSER LEVY choose him, appointed him. Levy had other quick options in Stephan Freund and Hoddle, but he choose his DIM!!! Levy wants you to demand 'Tim Out Now', because it let's him off the hook yet again! And you are giving Levy the backing the support to be the one to choose, and employ, and then BACK STAB his next Tottenham head coach! Surely you can see cycle??? I mean it's only been 14 season, 9 coaches, and 4 DOF's... "Sherwood is only the symptom, ENIC are the disease!" ENIC OUT NOW!!!
Pele10
Crazy that AVB had to go half way through the season, but even more so if TS is sacked with 3 games to go. With all respect Dublin, have you thought this through? Secondly, I really don't care about what United do as a Spurs fan.
MAN ON!
This is a non runner, where is the queue forming to replace him and what evidence does the writer have for "rot and unsettling damage that Tim Sherwood is inflicting on our squad." The Sun? The Daily Star? We are one place higher than when he took over, he has no experience, what should we have expected? Why is it a bad thing to tell players they need to play better to get in the team?
PJcoys1882
maccaspur's post will probably be the most sensible one of the day...
MAN ON!
Maccaspur that is such a very very good post, no respect in these parts.
PJcoys1882
PJcoys1882. Common sense, logic and a fair mind have nothing to do with this. It's personal. Personally, I like Tim's honesty, passion and straight talking approach. Honesty and straight talk however are almost seen as a sin these day's and something to be frowned upon. Honestly, I can't see what all the fuss is about.
MAN ON!
It's only a game of football !!!! According to what source you read or what sauce you use, Levy's favourite is HP, well it would be, clue is in the title, that's one title we will never be winning aka the prem, half our players will be leaving, Hugo, Verts, Pauli, Eriksen, Sandro (well his not good enough is he) next season will be just like this one, whoever is in charge and we only need to win the same number of games as it stands at the moment 19 to get 63pts safety is guaranteed, when Levy called Tim on the blower and said ''Tim we have a lot of Mal Practice going on'' Tim asked Levy is ''Mal Practice the new manager''
spu 4 life
PJcoys1882, You are incorrect when you tell us we are now in a stronger League Position than when AVB was here! When AVB was sacked by LOSER Levy Tottenham were 5 points below the top 4 and 8 points from the top of the table. We are currently 7 points from the top 4 and now 17 points from the top of the table! Lets not forget that when LOSER Levy fired AVB we were still in the League cup, going very strong in the Europa League and were yet to play in the FA Cup. Sherwood got us knocked out of all 3 Cup comps almost in an instant! The appointment of DIM has been a disaster! ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
Apart from the fact that the Man U shares have gone up not down and you clearly haven't got a clue what your writing about, I'd say your bang on. I bet you were chasing AVB out the door too? It seems to me the closer levy gets to the champions league the less you lot want to support spurs. Spurs will never I REPEAT never leap from where we are to champions and permenant top for while you dicks keep following wherever the Medea want to lead you. We are an improving club and have been for 15 years. Fit in or F off.
Barry McPheat
Happy St George's Day! Slay the dragon and replace the evil with Saintly Hoddle. Come on you know it makes sense! COYS!
HOD_GOD_10
There's a collective neuroses on here with regard to Sherwood and it saddens me that mostly grown men and women are so blinded and prejudiced against someone who has done a very difficult job quite well and, in such high pressured circumstances. In my eyes it's praise and support we should be giving him, instead of all this unwarranted, disrespectful, knee-jerk nonsense. Maybe I need a little more hatred in my heart.... Up the Spurs!
MAN ON!
Maybe Daniel should have a good look at himself. After failing with numerous managerial appointments, he couldn't even get the interim appointment right. I do agree that Tim should go ASAP but can we really rely on Levy to make the right choice as next manager. I wonder if he had a plan B after Van Gaal, because for me, he was never going to take the job. I suspect not and because of this I can see Moyes being to only option left to him. Heaven help us!
DoncasterHotspur
I'm happy.... Sun is shining and Spurs still have a head coach in place. Have a great day all!
MAN ON!
HOD_GOD_10 Agree with you on Hoddle. But there is no way I want LOSER Levy to have the opportunity to Slay 'Saintly Hoddle' a second time, which you know he will! That's what the little LOSER does for his 2.5 million quid salary! He hires and fires coaches, and buys football players to sell, whilst the THFC trophy cabinet remains ENIC empty...
Pele10
Tims appointment has been a disaster on and off the pitch, but why sack him now with three games to go ? who would we blame if we don't play well ? anyway I doubt very much that Tim would go quietly, imagine how much ***** he could stir up about the club and the players who got him sacked. unfortunately the damage has been done and there is of course the very real possibility that some of our best players don't want to play for or believe in a club who would hire such an imbecile in the first place. again the damage has been done so why bother closing the gate after the horse has bolted. ride out the rest of the season with some integrity and dignity then sack him at the end of season.
notnats
Pele I am correct in saying we are in a higher position in the league now than when AVB was sacked. I think 6th is higher than 7th, you are choosing to expand that subject and you are correct in what your expansion states. We are both correct, isn't that so positive
PJcoys1882
ManOn you appear to be a positive blot on a negative landscape.
PJcoys1882
I think the call for Hoddle is a good one
PJcoys1882
I think it depends what expectations were set with Tim when Levy moved him into that role. Part of me thinks that Tim took one for the team all along by knowing he would be interim and allowing the press to focus on him rather than what else is happening at THFC. That has allowed Levy and Baldini to do proper planning for next season.

To move forward, I do think we will need to relieve Tim, Parks, Ferdinand, Freund etc from their roles at the club. Perhaps the new manager can leverage King and Friedel instead to keep the Spurs connections but they need to have their own men. What I don't think is a good idea is to fire any of them this week. The days I would consider are the final of the champs league or FA Cup Final day. That gives us 3-4 weeks to finish the recruitment process.
muttley
LilyWhiteHart - Once players know they control who manages the club you have lost control and won't get it back as long as those players remain at the club.
jod
Stick with Sherwood, saves money, sell the players of higher value your Hugo's and Vert's etc that brings in a nice little nest egg, bring back tom carroll, jake livermore that's two for our midfield, just have a run of the mill team, with a run of the mill manager, get dembele on bupa for a hip replacement, if he goes NHS he will be out for the next two seasons, I'm certain that's Levy's plan B. Plan A is fighting Archway Steel in court.
spu 4 life
notnats - How is getting a similar number of points as Harry and AVB a disaster ?
jod
Muttley - best post yet ..... w/b 7th May seems to be the crucial one?
Highgatespur
Man On! I see all is sunny and happy in your parallel universe ... LOL
Highgatespur
notnats. I fail to see what all this damage is. What damage?
MAN ON!
Lets just concentrate on Sherwood the manager, his PL record is played 19 W11 D3 L5, GF36 GA28 Points 36, win % 58%, not a bad record. Should we be judging him solely on his record rather than what he says or does? I look at that record and I cannot remember many performances to shout out about, we have gone behind many times but have also won, our performances against the better teams have not been good enough. His interviews do annoy me but don't others, from what I can see more fans want him out than him to stay. Sherwood is praising himself quite well by himself, doesn't need us to do it for him.
Kong
jod ... I agree with all your posts, Mate.
Geofspurs
Have to agree with Maccaspur and PJcoys, after their posts leaves little else to say!!!
Ossie
good posts Man On, jod and Kong....
Ossie
Kong, are you saying that the results don't count? Is it such an easy job that somehow Tim steps in and overnight turns us in to a Champions League team? God forbid the abuse he would be getting if we were losing every week. (I know you are not hurling abuse by the way).
MAN ON!
jod, bleak days ahead for manure then ?
Highgatespur
I bet DL is laughing his head off if he were to be reading this... he'll pull out out a surprise with his (near) end of season announcement.... surely.... don't know what surprise it's going to be though....
Highgatespur
Does anyone really believe that a new manager (whoever he is) is going to deliver top four, let alone the title ... and the other teams are blissfully going to roll over for us. No manager, AVB, TS, or anyone else, could do that with our team at the moment. It's going to take a couple of seasons, at least ... and our supporters are far from patient people. I would like to think otherwise, but common sense dictates not. As I've said before, it's about a lot more than just a manager. Just have t sit back and make the most of he ride. It is going to be interesting and I'm sure there will be lots to complain and argue about along the way. There might even be a few things to enjoy! COYS
Geofspurs
Kong I tend to agree however he would neither want or probably doesn't deserve quite so many insults, he even gets them on here when we win. Expectations should have been low, Muttley probably describes the situation accurately and therefore Man On has it right, what's all the fuss about? He never was here to stay, he was filling a void in time and we are just about where we were before he came in.
PJcoys1882
Man On, of course results count, at the end of the day it is a results business. My main concern is our performances don't match against Sherwood's points record. Is that a reason enough to change managers, I don't know but I have got to the point where my frustrations are taken out on him but should really be at Levy who fired AVB for having a similar record. I just feel that it will be too much of a risk to give him next season to judge properly. It is not an easy job but does not mean Sherwood cant be criticised, I want him to reel it in a bit with his talking which I feel has got the fans in a fuss.
Kong
PJcoys, you are right Sherwood can do nothing right, we win, lose or draw and some fans will moan about him but didn't that also happen with AVB and I am sure will happen if we change managers too.
Kong
When people can't enjoy 5-1 and 3-1 results, then something is wrong with their perception of Spurs and football in general. If you can't take a clear win and only find negatives, then there's no hope in you. If I were a religious man, I'd be praying for all the lost souls of WHL.. Oh when the Spurs go marching in......... Hallelujah!
MAN ON!
jod. how is getting similar number of points as harry and AVB a disaster ? well look what happened to them. and anyway when exactly did Tim get a similar number of points as either of those two ? I don't recall Tim managing for a full season. look at the points per game all you like but the longer he's there the worse it gets. yes he got off to a decent start as often happens with a new manager, ironically it was easier with all those injuries the team literally picked itself and the results were promising. bringing back Ade was a good call. but just like ade, Sherwood doesn't have a full season in him and what weve got now is in my opinion a disaster. same points as harry, your kidding, have a closer look at the club and the debacle that tim has created, I don't believe that given a full season tim could achieve anything close to 70 points but of course we could always blame it on all of our top players who will leave the club at the end of the season.
notnats
Kong. Fair enough. It's not the criticism that bugs me, it's the nature of most of that criticism. It's mostly negative. I like to redress the balance. You, yourself are very fair and balanced.
MAN ON!
Yes Kong that's how it is, so as ManOn appears to be describing the problem is not Sherwood or the previous it's what's inside the heads on the people on here who take this approach, or more likely what's not inside the head. I think I sit with both ManOn ans Shirley Bassey, what's it all about?
PJcoys1882
PJcoys1882. Diamond light's forever......
MAN ON!
Exactly Man On, I just dont get that, when Spurs win ppl still want to come on here and moan about Sherwood or they dont post for a few days then come and moan about Sherwood saying the same things days in days out. Seems some people hate the manager more than they love the team, at least enjoy your team winning
Ossie
Man On, I agree there is a lot of criticism, Sherwood can say hello and it will annoy most fans. Your posts are fair but don't be too nice about Sherwood :).
Kong
Ossie. That's it. Take the good with the bad. It's what we have to do as supporters. I almost feel people willing us to failure, just to prove a point. Is it so difficult to will us to be winners instead? We'll still lose some and we'll still win or draw some. COYS!
MAN ON!
Kong. Okay...
MAN ON!
Jod - I'm not suggesting that players could or should dictate who manages their club. What I'm suggesting is that players can and do have an increasingly massive say in who they choose to (continue to) play for. And if the length of Sherwoods tenure influences some of our better players to look elsewhere to their futures then I would rather it be ended as soon as appropriate than prolonged. I'm by no means one of the completely anti-Tim brigade. I think there are actually some easily over-looked positives that have come from his time in charge. And if his only legacy is that he has made a few of our under-achievers take a long hard look at themselves then it could be argued that it was a worthwhile if ultimately doomed 6 months. All I'm saying is that if it's a foregone conclusion that his days are numbered, that we are (or at least could be) jeopardising the possibility of keeping our better players by not having a replacement ready who would (or could) have the effect of making those same players realise that the grass might not be greener elsewhere. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
As far as actual points on the board and results I think TS has done better than was expected TBH. There was very little chance of him stepping in and guiding the team to 4th considering half of them are still adapting etc. That being said, I do want a new manager to be appointed in May. There is no point in removing Tim before the end of the season, and to be honest it would be a bit harsh

The reason I want a new manager is because of Tim’s “off field” attitude and personality. It just doesn’t command the respect that a young team like spurs need to have. I think he is far too concerned about how he looks in the morning papers than what actually happened on the pitch. Sacking him / demoting him now would be completely pointless. 4th is gone, and if we are in the Europe league then great, if not then oh well. Sacking him would only draw even more attention to a disastrous season and give our doubters even more ammo to hurl at us

Regarding who we can actually bring in, I just sincerely hope that this has been in motion since the departure of AVB. Levy / the board could not have honestly thought TS was the long term option. Forget LVG, im sick of hearing about him now and in all fairness I never think he was our target. I don’t know how realistic this is but I would love Mancini back in the PL. I think he could get the best out of our team without ripping it apart.
hudderspur
part of the problem is the vitriolic chat against our managers from sections of our fans. Do you know that Sherwood actually has the best record in the premier league as a manager? When we were playing amazing football under Harry - sections of the crown wanted rid. What we actually need right now is stability and continuity....something we never see to attain. I do not think promoting the axing of Sherwood is what is needed - more support for him to keep learning on the job. I like him in interviews and the fact he plays the players trying the best in training. He is no nonsense and needs more support rather than posts like this. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tim-sherwood-says-he-is-the-best-manager-tottenham-have-ever-had--and-he-may-have-a-point-9246898.html
skempy
Lilywhite I agree but not having CL is a much bigger reason to leave, the problem is that when players leave for that reason (verts/lloris) many on here will choose to blame Sherwood. Other like Sandro and Paulinho need to start playing like they belong in a CL quality side before they start moping around or complaining or even questioning not being selected. Both have been far from great with both managers this season for no doubt a number of reasons, but it's not all down to Sherwood, they need to do better themselves, earn the right to complain.
PJcoys1882
as much as I'd like him to go now..it won't happen before the end of season...shame as without him it would be obvious we're in the market for a Manager without the dark cloud of Tim remaining hanging over the place...we don't even need a world class manager...might be nice to have a guy with a bit of experience perhaps even have managed at the top level and integrated players into a team before...but of course our mastermind Levy knows best when it comes to recruiting....;)
shedboy2
Maccaspur and Jod I totally agree with your posts.Yes most on here inhabit fantasy island. What amuses me is Sherwood seems way too chirpy for somebody who has been told he is on his bike at seasons end. I wonder what deal has been made ?
cynicspur
Agree that Sherwood deserves to see out the season but surely not start the next one. If you only analyse his team selection, tactics, substitutions etc then he does seem wanting - certainly not equipped to take us to the next level, also not equipped to get the best out of this squad.
If you then add his relative youthful inexperience, his inherent personality,lack of tact etc. then clearly he is not ready, at this stage of his career, to manage any PL team. Most PL managers have done the hard yards before landing the job. Sherwood is at a disadvantage ....landing the top job from relative obscurity and inexperience. Nothing personal against him but so obvious to me that he wasn't the right choice for interim manager and certainly shouldn't start as our manager next season. His time may come but it's not now.
I can understand the frustration of some supporters but not the intolerance of their frustrations by others. Hope DL realizes that he cannot keep getting these appointments wrong and that supporters pay a huge price,financially and emotionally speaking, so deserve better.
Durbanspur
and yes the share price went UP when Manu announced the departure of a manger out of his depth....we'd do the same if we weren't taken off the market to hide our financials....
shedboy2
Ther is no point in signing a manager or player who thinks he is doing you a big favour by joining you. Spurs do not seem to get managerial or striker options correct. Whoever they appoint next will probobly mess up
cynicspur
cynicspur- very true, if they don't want and I mean have desire to work with us then you start on the back foot...I'll add that our induction process must start with a hard sell on Spurs, the brand and the opportunities....this happens after the agreement not just whilst attracting staff....
shedboy2
If anyone is undecided on the merit of getting Sherwood out as soon as possible just glance to the side of your screen. 41% voted Llorris MOTM against Fulham, yes, bottom of the table Fulham, at home. A fluke? No Llorris has been MOTM on many an occasion. We have some good players and they will perform and win games but whenever a plan is needed don't look at Dim he's been outwitted every time.
ItalianYiddo
Ox, can we have a poll on Sandro or Sherwood, who would you want out? Somehow I don't think you will put it up. My prediction 99% Sherwood 1% Sandro.
ItalianYiddo
PJcoys1882, Sorry to inform you that the team who wins the Premiership title has the most points. When AVB was fired we were only 8 points away from the top spot. Now we are 17... I want THFC to win the title and as many cup competitions as possible. Since DIM was employed we have dropped back 9 points from the top spot, 17 points away from Liverpool and out of all cup competitions... And have dropped back points wise from CL qualification. It's been a disaster and there is even worse to come, when the likes of Pauli, Sandro, Lloris, possibly even Ericksen leave, this summer. The future is very dark with LOSER Levy and ENIC... JOE LEWIS OUT!!!
Pele10
Pele, sorry you are talking about something different to me, I am simply stating about the league position before and now, that's all.
PJcoys1882
ItalianYiddo actually Chelsea played a home to the side who were bottom of the table before the weekend fixtures. How did that go?
PJcoys1882
Tim definitely should see out the rest of the season and I guess it could be argued that given the sacking of AVB mid -season, the injuries and the lack of defensive cover that we might well be placed about where we should be with some of the terrible hidings we've been on the end of. If im honest its the never ending comments, the unnecessary criticisms of players, the blame games, feuding with senior players that are pushing my buttons. is it unreasonable to feel that way? even with the on field performances it would be a lot easier to be supportive of Tim if he could maybe say a bit less, some might suggest a lot less.
notnats
Pele10.. While I am not a Levy apologist as you would no doubt say.. Just look at the situation logically.. Levy has said many times.. Finance for the stadium is in place.. Coopsieyid explained this very clearly a while ago. I have also said Joe Lewis's cash input £146m for this. (my ITK ) TfL and Harringey Council £42m that is about half and rest is from Banks / Club Directors i think. In fact i recall that....Joe Lewis put in a separate £50m interest free loan towards the transfers / working capital of THFC in the summer. So while you are correct in that we have won very little over last 14 years.. (one League cup in 2008 you not mentioned) The club is in a far better financial position than when Enic took over... Enfield Training ground at £30m + value now, mortgage free (built with champ. League money) as an example.

I agree that we need to win trophies and so keep our better players. But to do this requires a higher amount of revenue than we get on match days.. Just look at the top 4 clubs.. all have better grounds than us. Archway Steel have been doing their best to delay our new stadium for 2.5 / 3 years now..Levy can't just send in strong arm guys to kick them out !!. Has to be be legally done, hence the CPO and delay, add negotiations with the Council for 2 /3 years as well, goes back to 2009/ 10 if not before.. (while Levy was building the Training ground for £20m or so).
Block D Spurs
They lost PJ, ***** happens, don't recall many game when their keeper was MOTM.
ItalianYiddo
LilyWhiteHart - Actually that's exactly what you are saying.
jod
@Italian: Loris was consistently the best player on the pitch when we had AVB too and you could hardly contain your hard-on for his boring style of play.

The uncomfortable truth is that the players are not good enough. Everyone on here keeps talking about finding some magician to 'take us to the next level' as if we have a team of world beaters that just need that enigmatic manager to make us consistent EL competitors.

Would citeh or chelsea want Sandro? Have liverpool expressed an interest in Rose or Andros? Apart from Ade, Loris and Eriksen (on a good day) we have a team that should be proud to where they are and should see 5th as a real accomplishment. Furthermore, if you read the article posted by skempy you will learn that we could be in the same position as Everton if we had had TS for the whole season, judging from his win ratio.

Conan_the_Spur
Damage has already been done. TS will not be fired. Whether AVB should have been fired is a whole other issue. I'd suggest the timing was all wrong. Will Levy and ENIC finally hire someone they are willing to allow to do the job. Depending on who's left in the squad, TS may be the man for the job. Let's face it, if Lloris, Vertonghen, Sandro, Capoue, Adebayor, Eriksen and others all insist on the door, this squad is a rebuild or mid-table. We have, IMO, a really talented squad. Not the best, but certainly in the mix. We need a manager that can get the best out of these players. That's at a minimum. As for when to make a change if a change is coming? Unlikely to occur until after the WC. Hopefully a deal can be in place earlier so that the assistants can get the lads ready for those July Europa games. Who will remain? Who will be the coach? Will Levy trust them? Lots of questions. No answers. No plan. What a waste. COYS
peterballb
Block D Spurs...That all makes perfect sense to me. What seems to be easily forgotten when some of us talk of the new stadium taking so long etc., is that there's an enormous infrastructure overhaul going on in the area that goes hand in glove with the new build. Apart from the ongoing CPO stuff, it's not as simple as demolishing WHL and erecting our new ground. It was bound to be complex and drawn-out from the off. But, it is happening.
MAN ON!
14 years to stabilise the club financially and get to this point, a new state of the art training facility and likewise, the new stadium, is pretty good going, in business terms, I think.
MAN ON!
End of the season if a decision has to be made imo. Tim has been at the club for years, he’s decided to take a risk and not just accept a caretaker’s role when AVB went, so he knows that by forcing this hand he would be on him either way. I think fair play for this risk truly, and Tim knows all about consequences. Maybe he thought this was his one chance to manage Spurs after all the work he has put in behind the scenes? Well he took it. The club will now look at the final league position and targets for next year – has Tim done enough to keep the job? I wanted CL which would have been a big fat Yes. Was this a club target set for him? If it was and we don’t make it then Tim will put his hands up and we get someone else in. Levy and the club will already be searching for a new manager depending on how it all pans out. I’m not really sorry to say but that first paragraph to this article is complete bollox... 3 more games to go. Get behind the team. COYS.
SpursOne2
skempy. I totally agree with you.
MAN ON!
SpursOne2. Hear, hear...
MAN ON!
The CPO on the stadium was issued in 2012, didn't realise it would take this long to get a decision. Archway Steel were on the news the other week talking about it saying that all this is not in the public's interest. I don't know how they can say that considering the whole area is being revamped and the stadium itself is major part of it.
Kong
Tim out now serves no purpose. I think what is really trying to be said, is an admission from the powers that be that Tim will not be in charge next season.

Whilst sacking Tim now shows the players who may or may not like his management that he will be surplus next season, unless we actually have a new manager and can name him, all we would have done is maybe remove a manager that maybe upsets a few, and replaced with uncertainty as to new leadership. Unless we can name a manager as of now, removing Tim will not make the players stay any more than if he stayed.
Cider spurs
Kong. The decision on the CPO was found in Spurs favour but AS have appealed against it, if I remember correctly. I also saw that news item and thought the same as you.
MAN ON!
Conan, we controlled most games under AVB. Name me a match when Llorris was man of the match. We have been rudderless with Sherwood, no tactics, no plan, a bunch of internationals playing football.
ItalianYiddo
sorry but man utd didnt act swiftly in getting rid of him, the fans wanted him out months ago, and hes a recored breaker for all the wrong reasons, he should of been sack JAN at least
123spurs
ItalianYiddo, Eriksen won the man of the match award I think, the poll on here is often on steroids of emotion it appears. We won the match 3-1 but I guess it's just easy to dig for negatives in life. Agree spursone2, I guess he thought a year of with a large salary was a risk worth taking at the end of taking the role for a few months, knowing it was hard for us to go lower the 7th.
PJcoys1882
Man On, I think AS appealed against the council for issuing a CPO but no decision has been made by the government official as yet as to the CPO itself but I could be wrong. I think AS have pushed this too far but without knowing the full details it is hard to say what is going to happen.
Kong
Kong... Okay. It's a complex affair...
MAN ON!
Very true Man On, its easier talking about Sherwood.
Kong
Whatever is happening with regard to the CPO, it's out of ENICS hands until the local authorities can bring it to some definitive conclusion.
MAN ON!
PJ, you can look at the positives but you can also look to bury your head in the sand. The point I am making that Llorris is doing too much work as he is often exposed, 3-0 down at West Brom the game before shows no tactical plan, time and time again.
ItalianYiddo
IY, "If anyone is undecided on the merit of getting Sherwood out as soon as possible just glance to the side of your screen. 41% voted Lloris MOTM against Fulham, yes, bottom of the table Fulham, at home"

yep, same as when we played Fulham under AVB, where Fulham managed 16 shots and Lloris was our best player along with Holtby.
Guyver
get a manager in no self respecting Spurs fan would have a problem with...Hoddle! not my first pick but if you want a unity manager...he's your man...
shedboy2
MAN ON! At least you and Kong can see the reasons it has taken so long, As no property demolition / new build deal is ever easy and quick !! especially if it is in a heavy density and deprived area as London N17.. with every land owner (private and corporate) having an agenda for extracting maximum money for their deals, from THFC.
Block D Spurs
Also the size of the stadium makes it more difficult to coordinate the design / construction... than compared to residential units. So In Daniel Levy we have a chairman with land development expertise, and a tough negotiator, which is what's needed in these deals.
Block D Spurs
Well guys, debate was what I was after, and it's what we got!
I wrote this yesterday morning out of pure frustration. Man U sacked moyes, prior to season end, and I guess will communicate a new manager fairly quickly to appease their shareholders, fans and players. Since sacking moyes, their shares have taken an almighty boost, whereas they had dipped dramatically prior to this announcement. I like to look at is fans as stakeholders, as opposed to shareholders, and I believe our optimism would equally rise if we knew what the hell was going on!

to be honest, it's more a post about desire for communication from THFC. We are all in the dark as to what will happen this summer in terms of management and players. You all know my stance. Lifelong spurs fan, want Tim out. If he's staying let us know, if not, let us know. Man U have the chance now to " poach" a manager we may have been after, at season end, more clubs will be in for managers we may be after... Hence the dog fight! We aren't as big as some of those other clubs, so my point was to get in early and secure someone quality before the dog fight starts... We will lose to the big guns.

we are a project, great squad, poor gaffer! The likes of LVG a world class manager, already stated he would like to work on our "project". Maybe not now if better options come available. That's why we need to act and communicate now. And communicate now so we don't rock the boat with any more players... Cheers for the comments lads. ( btw I was a fan of AVB. He could be classed as world class due to his attracting the 4th highest salary in the world, and being courted by Barcelona. We let him go! - that debate is dead by the way!! ;))
Dublin Hotspur
Firing Timmy now, why? We can wait for three more weeks. Why make ourselves look foolish in the process? Do we need to humiliate Timmy by the way we rid ourselves of him? That would only make it all the more difficult to recruit future managers. Find the way to ease him out so that he keeps maximal respect. Tossing him out precipitously would only be to spite our nose for our face, and as the Chinese have understood for millenia, saving face is a decent way to go. But, let's be clear, Timmy may not stay.
Falstaff the Fool
Alternative view: Sack Timmy during the half-time interval vs. Villa, which is our last match of the season and the next match at WHL. Have security come up to him as the team enters the dressing area and demand that he hand over his key to the executive water closet. Then, while the team returns to the pitch for the second half of the match, have the security staff stay with Timmy as he is forced to pack his belongings at the grounds into cardboard boxes that are carried out to his car and he is "perp walked" by security out to his car and then off the grounds. Spurs employees form a gauntlet through which Timmy is marched as the staff jeer and spit at him. The team will be led during the second half vs. Villa by the newly appointed manager, Jaime Redknapp. After the match the new manager speaks of his plan to replace Roy Hodgson as the England manager during the WC. Danny Boy will announce at the same time the sale of the contracts of Lloris and Eriksen and the purchase of the contract of Charlie Adam. A new dawn is here, says Danny Boy, as the sun begins to set in London.
Falstaff the Fool
Dublin I am with you! The sooner the better, he is being exceptionally destructive with every comment he makes! The whole bale malarkey, Sandro etc. He is a hypocritical delusional fool
spurticus87
The day after Jaime Redknapp replaces Timmy, DL holds a press conference to announce the beginning of the construction of the new stadium for THFC, which will be erected in Woolwich in South London next to the old Armory. Danny Boy says that he has decided to cede North London to our arch-rivals, Arsenal. Arsenal agrees to let Spurs change our name to Arsenal, and in return they will change their name to London Sheiks, in honour of their owners, Emirate Airline, which says it will pour billions into new contracts for North London's only remaining club.
Falstaff the Fool
Just goes to show how unnecessarily humiliating a manager as we fire him can bring bad karma that can come back to bite us. Fire Timmy, but do it in a way that he and all maintain dignity. No need to sack the man with three matches remaining. But sack him we must. If need be, name him a THFC vice president as we pay off the remainder of his contract. But, for the sake of the gods, don't let him or Danny Boy sign Charlie Adam (unless its for the sake of bringing our enemy closer so we can humiliate him).
Falstaff the Fool
Now that is mad! Falstaff, you certainly have an imagination! Hope DL doesn't read your second post! Jamie is as eligible for manager as Tim!!
Dublin Hotspur
Announce Laudrup as new manager, raid Swansea for Ben Davies, Vorm (as back up) & Bony. Get shot of Chadli, Dembele & Livermore. Then shut up & crack on.
jesusthedevil
Dublin Hotspur. Thanks for the article... I'm sure you would've realised that I'd have a dig or two. But you got people talking and that's the whole point.
MAN ON!
Falstaff the Fool- 'Why make ourselves look foolish'...great line from you...;)
shedboy2
Falstaff... I like it... If Tim is the new Harry, then Jamie is the new Tim. Keep it in the family. Louise can brew the half time tea and we all live happily ever after.
MAN ON!
Falstaff.. I now agree we should wait till of season formally sack Timmy. then next day new manager. So morning of cup final day would be good to announce TS departure, and when arsenal win the cup, we announce new manager.. thus taking he media attention from them a bit..
Block D Spurs
Dublin, yup with you mate, just an announcement would suffice.
Highgatespur
Please don't let my first post be mistaken for me wanting Sherwood replaced. That's just it, I want him replaced, I don't think leaving us rudderless for the last 3 games of the season will do us any more favours than having Sherwood in charge. That said, I suppose it is 3 games less for Tim to alienate the next in his cross hair.

Everything I need to know about Sherwood as a manager has played out in front of my very eyes. His formations at times with chosen players has confused me, I can handle that somewhat, many managers spring the odd surprise or two. To be fair, his results have been acceptable, but not against the top 4. Again, whilst not as forgiving, his points haul stacks up. Cup exits were poor, that said, we don't win a cup every season do we?.

So there we are Sherwood in a nutshell........Alas, it's not though is it?. Because we don't talk about his achievements on the pitch, the point tallies, the Bentelab's and Kane's do we?. NO!...Because Sherwood has to talk nonsense, sly remarks, question ability, mock players, air frustrations in public. This is the exact reason that leads me to know everything I need to know about Tim, because it is not about the football, it is all about TIM. He cannot let the football be the first and foremost, it is secondary, this cannot be, on that basis, Au revoir, adios, ciao, adieu, arrivederci, hasta la vista.
Cider spurs
Appreciate the article Dublin, but I don't see the point in sacking TS now, I don't actually see the point in sacking Moyes now either to be honest. Neither decision with affect either clubs' seasons dramatically at such a late stage. I agree with those who have suggested that the vitriol towards TS has been well OTT. For all his faults, we are still more or less where we were when AVB was prematurely axed. The truth is, that our problems arose this season due to our inability to balance the squad and too ,many players under performing too often. That is the case under both AVB and TS.

As for the world class manager, well ENIC generally don't hire world class managers. A look at their record will attest to that. Ramos was probably their highest profile hire and that didn't end too well. ENIC also only move quickly when there is a threat of relegation, the hire, if there is one will probably be drawn out, will probably be somebody unsuspected, and will probably be somebody who they can get inexpensively.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
*for me NOT wanting Sherwood replaced*
Cider spurs
A simple question. Was Sherwood given the role to come in and steady the ship until seasons end, with the added bonus that if all was good he has his extra year he wanted?.

Has he done this?. NO. He has created more disharmony post AVB than when AVB was here himself. Sorry, failed with the remit.
Cider spurs
While this is going on here - hopefully someone at the club has the decency to stop the pattern of the last three weeks... all quiet until Thursday and then CRASH BANG WALLOP interview with TS - could someone please ask Freund, Ramsey or even Ferdinand to hold the interview tomorrow ? Just a polite request....
Highgatespur
Good Article Dublin, nice one mate.... Personally though I wouldn't change it now; I don't think having Tim is stopping Levy appointing someone, once he finds him Tim will be sacked immediately. The problem is Levy can't get his man, I don't know who it is by LvG is defintely one of his lists.... remember when Levy appointed Harry he said, 'I have been trying to get Harry for years',, makes you wonder what Levy is doing if Portsmouth and Southampton can beat us to a manager.... I don't like Tim as a manager and really don't want him beyond the end of the season but now feels like the wrong time. If anything making an appointment after the world cup may change the minds of players that want to leave, history tells you Levy won't let anyone go this side of August,,, on the other hand getting a manager now would help secure feature signings but again it isn't Tim stopping us getting that future manager.
T.H.F.Chris
I agree totally with Dublin - if no intentions are made clear and no announcements are made to clarify matters - further than a meeting taking place at season's end.... even with announcement stating that Ts is staying for another 12 months.... all this speculation is just adding to the feeling of "on the road to nowhere ..." to all concerned! But I still feel that an appointment is all done bar the shouting.
Highgatespur
I understand FIFA have suspended their decision on Barca's transfers .... they are now looking for some lost manly parts of the body!!!
Highgatespur
Please, Mr. Levy, show some balls and let it be Tim. That would make me more than happy. It won't happen so don't anyone bother taking the p*ss out of me. I can do that myself. :-)
MAN ON!
Man On! We know the obvious .... LOL!!!
Highgatespur
It would be good to have some form of information as to where we are going with all this. Get the squad happy again and press on to start building towards our goals of silverware and improving our league position into CL contention. They are surely the prizes we all want?
Dublin Hotspur
Highgatespur, I am with you 100%. The one thing that is an absolute must is an announcement, at latest within a week of the season's end, indicating whether Tim is continuing or whether there will be a new person in charge. If it is Tim, then I believe Levy has to allow all those who want out to go, so long as he can find someone to pay his valuation (as will always be the case). Players remaining in the squad that have been (rightly or wrongly) disenfranchised by Tim need to be allowed to leave if there is a buyer willing to pay our price. We cannot have a squad of players that don`t wish to be here. It will just destroy next season before it starts. Clear direction and support is needed for whomever is in charge. If it`s to be Tim, give him a 5 year deal. See who wants to stay and bea part of it and then work out from there. COYS
peterballb
Dublin, that is what is puzzling me - if that speech of Levy's is all we get as far as updates are concerned - we are being taken for a long ride.... I really wonder how all this, is going to effect the ST sales - with or without a new man!!
Highgatespur
Highgate, I reckon that depends on where the seat is! yours would be too precious to give up even if we were in league 2! lol… but I guess if it was me, I would certainly consider rejoining the waiting list or picking and choosing matches to attend, wherever I sat!
Dublin Hotspur
peterballb, do you really think that only next season will be effected if we don't have an experienced man.... I haven't seen anything in the coaching team that says that they are able to pull things around from the present state let alone w/o any quality players.... who do you think will come to the club that is of quality.... I can't understand the vacuum from the boardroom.
Highgatespur
Dublin, at the moment it is such a close call..... I know what people have said about the recent home wins 5-1 and 3-1 but seriously there was definitely an air of apathy around WHL! As I keep on saying I want an announcement!! Btw I thought manure did it better than us - if there was to be a sacking. it should have been instead of in December.... You can always trust Spurs....
Highgatespur
ItalianYiddo, I think Guyver answered you in the post after yours, ref Lloris and how he has performed this season against Fulham. I think teams near the bottom should just roll over and get relegated and then Lloris would not be MOM in the poll. I am guessing you might have been a fan of AVB?
PJcoys1882
Topho, I mean PJ…. Lloris gets MOTM so often because he has made so many ridiculously good saves against relegation fodder when we are being outplayed by them… without him, those results could / would have been very different!
Dublin Hotspur
why sack Tim now?...gives Hoddle a couple of weeks interview....we could line up a manager for each of our remaining games..Laudrup, Bielsa and Hoddle see who gets the best performance out of the players and give him the job for next season...sounds almost as ridiculous as giving an unqualified backroom boy the gig.....
shedboy2
Dublin I am sorry I don't understand your reference to the previous poster. You agree with Guyver so do I.
PJcoys1882
Dublin, I was at Craven cottage and WHL - the major difference between the two games were the timings of the goals and we went in front at WHL...the players keep strutting their stuff aye ? Lloris my player of the year in One Hotspur vote! COYS!!
Highgatespur
shedboy2, that sound like an interview process ? Surely that'd be a new thing for TS?
Highgatespur
But PJ, its not just Fulham, its so many other teams we have played. it was a reference to Hugo's greatness, not an agreement or disagreement with anybody. your reference was aimed at AVB's tenure. he is gone! Tim is here. the point was we won 3-1, but without Lloris it may well have been very different.
Dublin Hotspur
Lloris makes great saves because he's great. How would we know he was great otherwise. ;-) If we'd also had a great goalscorer for most part of the season we'd be fighting it out with Liverpool right now. A good team needs both. Look at all the chances we created in the early part of the season. It's poor finishing as much anything that has hindered our progress.
MAN ON!
Highgatespur, I was referring to keeping around disenfranchised players if Tim is to continue. Theeffect will endure so long as such players remain. There is no doubt that Adebayor`s refusal to toe the in AVB had pu down had a negative effect on the team. It was largely mitigated because other than Adebayor, BAE commenting, there was really not much being said by the players. The closest one could come were the Defoe comments and he largely stated that Adebayor, when on form, is a player that should be in the lineup. Now we have battles in the press between the coach and Capoue, then Paulinho, then Sandro, all those that can`t be trusted, Townsend, Eriksen and his secret plan and snide managerial remarks. It just keeps going and going. Why would anyone stay who had a better offer elsewhereÉ We certainly won`t pay what othes will and will be playing competitive games a month earlier this season. Not a great advertisement for the club and don`t be surprised if we fail to qualify for the group stages of Europa. The cups don`t matter and are clearly not worth preparing a team for. Just give us the direction so we fans know what we can realistically expect. COYS
peterballb
Man On! Oh how I wish that would have been the case.... what a thought - none of this nonsense of an experience since December - huh if only - I blame Defoe and Adebayor!!!
Highgatespur
peter I dread the thought... oh look, the senior players had a voice it seems over Moyes!!!
Highgatespur
I hope the 'class of 92' don't destroy their reputation - but 'it must be so easy!'
Highgatespur
It is not the fact that a keeper makes saves, it is the quality of the shots he is saving that makes the difference. Gomes used to make saves that mot top keepers would not even gt a finger to. Lloris made two ridiculous saves the other day. The major difference between the first half and second half (My Opoinion) is tha we are facing far more quality shots, from far better positions now than we were before. In the first half, the offence stuttered, but the stats show we dominated most games in posession and chances. We just didn`t score or hit the net, or link up in the final third. Lloris made a decent sweeper play here and there, but otherwise, was largely untroubled in games. We are now outworked, outchanced and outthought in most games. The fact we have one of the three or four best squads in the PL is why we can play crap and win. I dare say if AVB had had Lennon, Rose, Kaboul and Sandro, as no doubt he expected, the results would likely have been much better. There have been lots of injuries this season. Couple that with the new faces and we still don`t know who the best XI are. But then, how could we ever know that if we are to continue to play guys out of position, when there are players healthy enough to play where they belong. It`s shocking really. COYS
peterballb
Hear hear, peterballb!
Highgatespur
Saw an article the other day with a sub-heading along the lines of "Everyone's favourite laughing stock"

Of course, the article was about us. So sorry Dubs, can't agree on firing two managers in the same season, the second with just three games to go. As MAN ON pointed out, it's not as if relegation is beckoning.

Results wise, Tim has done a decent job. Performance wise, I've seen flashes of where we can go potentially. Problem is, flashes don't win titles or cups. Media wise/player wise, Tim has left a lot to be desired.

So, like I urge everyone to be when we do hire a new manager, have PATIENCE Dubs! Lol
SpursEagle
LOL Eagle, I had patience for AVB, my patience with Tim ran out in Feb! Man U aren't relegation fodder either though, and I think we are everyones favourite laughing stock because of Tim! he won't be forgotten for his outbursts, but 2 sackings in one season wouldn't be a first this season I believe? but it is warranted!
Dublin Hotspur
peterballb. I did say great saves as opposed to just saves. I agree, our defence has worsened whereas our goalscoring has improved. That was the point I was making. Highgate. It's not Defoe and Ade that's to blame. How could it be? It's AVB, for continually playing an off form Soldado and shunting out both Ade and Defoe.
MAN ON!
Don't understand all the comments & criticism re Sherwood, what does anyone expect from our current manager when his mentor/model was Harry Rednapp, only difference is at least Rednapp had experience & his coaching badges, Sherwood does not the problem is with Levy, end of story.
CanUkSpur
I doubt that Tim and Spurs are a laughing stock to all of those teams below us. If Spurs are seen as a joke, then I'd blame the fans for it, more than anyone within the club.
MAN ON!
I like the logic in this: 'Loris makes great saves because he's great. How would we know he was great otherwise' we can apply it elsewhere....'Tim talks *****e....
shedboy2
Highgatespur, of course they did. You can sack a coach a lot easier than you can sack 30 players. Rooney is not happ. RVP has been sulking and hanging out with LVG. Fellaini isn`t happy. Well, they are now. And frankly, if there weren`t issues with players, Moyes would still be there. They need a rebuild. The problem is that SAF selected Moyes who has never shown he is capable of competing in 4 competitions. Squad rotation is not easy. It requires small picture and big picture decisions. It`s why SAF would play kids in certain home CL games and hope to get away with it. Blood the youngsters, rest the veterans for the title challenge and later rounds and hop to keep progressing through the competitions. Most managers do not have the wherewithal to pull it off. It also takes a lot of prep work and requires you to, against better teams, play not to lose, rather than thinking you can just go out and do your thing. That doesn`t work any longer or Barcelona would win the CL every year. They don`t because you can, if there is a plan and it is executed, limit he chances Messi gets. Real managers do this all the time. Mourinho is one of the best. There are others though that have proven a degree of success. What you`ll find though is that there aren`t very many Englsh managers with the ability because they are so insular in how they do things. Most of them would never take a job abroad, assuming they would be considered. And what works abroad does not always work in the PL. Managers like Roy Hodgson are rare. He has had success abroad, taken inferior teams to title games and managed to get Fulham to the Europa Final. But that style was never going to work in England to get Fulham to the CL places. Money has a huge effect. Suarez makes Liverpool a far greater team. He is one of the top players in the world. So long as they have him and playing, they will contend. But they are paying him over 10M GBP per season. Then again, can they seemlessly replace all of the 30 plus players they have in the squad who have all played a huge role this season? Can it work across four competitions? Rogers is a good coach. It may well be that four competitions is a bridge too far. They have only really used 16 players this season. 7 will have featured in over 30 games. Next season, at a minimum, you will be adding the 6 Group Stages games and perhaps the Community Shield. Their squad will be taxed quite a bit more next season. COYS
peterballb
shedboy2.... It's a ******** joke you *****!
MAN ON!
True shed, rather have a great keeper who is kept under the radar by having a nice quiet time! ;-)
Dublin Hotspur
This ******** site is full of brain-dead morons! Most of you are living in cloud cuckoo land. I just can't fathom the ignorance on here. Why do I waste my precious time talking crap? I'm the biggest brain-dead moron of all! Goodnight, take it easy and may your God go with you. No need to sack me, I resign! I'm off to get a nice hot cup of jasmine tea before I hang myself from boredom... LOL! Ding dong! Playtime's over boys and girls. Don't forget your homework. 2000 lines on why Tim's a C**T!
MAN ON!
Man On! I do feel like a joke when I choose to support a team with an unqualified coach who takes every opportunity to lambast his charges.. who says one thing one day and then the opposite the next.
yes I don't know about calling all the fans per se, a joke, I definitely feel my support has been treated like one. I feel a lot more comfortable calling myself a joke rather than anyone else doing that.... will I be considered 'a joke' on Saturday going up to Stoke with £40 ticket and spending over 6 hours... the fans and the supporters aren't the joke, Man On! without us there wouldn't be a club.... hope all keeps on being well with you...
Highgatespur
But can you trust us? COYS
peterballb
I hope Gary Neville 's interview is a learning point for some... (Oh no!!! Have I just praised theta Neville ? ssssh!!!)
Highgatespur
chin up Man on, I certainly am one of those things…. but take no notice, its all only banter and football! ;-)
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin, are you a saint ?
Highgatespur
uh oh ... tickets still available for the stoke trip - there's something happening somewhere .... wonder what ?
Highgatespur
what do you mean Highgate?

is the game on sky tonight or do I have to watch the brummie fella again on itv?
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin, that adrian Chiles is so irritating he is baggie and was next to Frank Skinner in the header v WBrom!

The game is on Sky....

there are tickets still left v Stoke City - 2nd out of the last 3 away games - these used to be sell outs....

Tonight's game reminds of the song we sung at Bernabeu.... "Tottenham at the Bernabeu, Arsenal watching Emmerdale" - didn't last long did it ? Crouch got sent off in the 12th minute....
Highgatespur
Lol NO more firing this season Dublin! Let's just keep a nice low profile and finish the season on a high.

MAN ON -- is it our fans that make us a laughing stock?

You could be onto something there! Lol
SpursEagle
Yay! At last! A thread about Tim :)
jerkinmahjurgen
Oh no! both sets of players look so unfocused, leaning against the way and talking .... who'll get the thrashing ? LOL
Highgatespur
I don't want Sherwood out,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well not until the last game has finished. Then Levy MUST come out and say who is going to be manager/coach next season. I'm dreading that announcement......... Don't be too surprised if it's TS again.
longtimespur
It's mis-guided nonsense to suggest our top stars want to leave because of Tim. Harry was our best recent manager but that didn't matter to Modric. Didn't keep him here. Bales' baby has AVBs' initials, but he left when AVB was still here! How long do you think world-class players are gonna stay here with no CL? We've been close twice and are unlikely to get 5th this year. You can't, one one hand, claim our best players able to grace any team (which some could/do), but on the other hand, claim there must be something sinister and evil (Dim) stopping them from seeing their careers out here. I said before, Jan and Lloris have given us what, 3 years service? Certainly into the 3rd year, and if they wanted to leave, should we not 4th or win summit, I wouldn't begrudge them. They've been model professionals, brilliant for our image and two of our best players. I'm over-looking that Jan's a moody tart... But you can't expect 1st grade players to play out of the top sides for too long. Now it's all Tims' fault! This is what the press do. It's not even 2+2. Just any possibility. Every conceivable possibility. Jumping on band-wagons already fueled by personal agendas. Maybe if 4 players leave this summer, maybe 1 will say they didn't see eye to eye. But ALL of them? Feck knows what's going on behind the scenes but we've 3 games left. From them, I hope to learn more about the relationship between Tim and the players. Are they all for one? coys.
jerkinmahjurgen
Man On, are you creating lots of profiles?
jerkinmahjurgen
LTS, that would be good enough but an announcement would lay a lot of fears... and if it's no change so be it - it will confirm all that has been said....
Highgatespur
Jerk, both Verts and Lloris are in their second year - I can't see any of the top players would want to be guided by a novice - anywhere ....
Highgatespur
Dublin, why would a world class manager come to us? are we that great?
Thats Entertainment
TE, I reckon we would greatly benefit from someone who has experienced success at the highest level - not too much to demand I feel ?
Highgatespur
TE. If we pay them well enough they will!
Dublin Hotspur
Fair enough Dublin....
Highgatespur
And TE, if I was a top manager, I'd come to spurs.... But I'm biased! ;-)
Dublin Hotspur
Highgate, I would love that too, but I feel not realistic at present plus Levy never seems to back his appointments, just pulls the plug too early. even top manager like Rodgers would have been shown the door by Levy no patience or class.
Thats Entertainment
Levy out LOL!
Thats Entertainment
Dublin, they had their chance with me with my 2 1/2 applications to be the manager!

TE, but it's got to change sometime or another... he did back HR to the nth level!
Highgatespur
jerkinmahjurgn, top players will stay if they believe in the project and that the club will be progressing. There were no such complaints last season. Don't recall any in the frst half of this season either (Adebayor notwithstanding who was here, gone for his brother's funeral, then back, then on further leave, then not fit, then not ready to play, then in the reserves....Always a circus around him - can't wait for the next ACN). If Sandro, Dembele, Paulinho and Capoue are all lower on Tim's preferred list than Bentaleb, the end result will be obvious. That he has already had, in the press, a war of words with Capoue, Sandro and Paulinho shows I am not wrong on this one. These are international players who will feature for their countries in the WC.

Team must select a manager. I accept that I don't get asked and have no say at all. I also have played on enough teams at high enough levels to know that if Tim stays, they will go if there is any greener grass out there. They feel he owes them nothing and they owe him nothing. Bale was being offered 70k/week more plus namesake rights more than we were prepared to giv him along with CL. Modric is on double what we were paying him at RM and he has CL. Lloris will choose the offer that suits him best. I doubt he will go to Monaco as I can't see 12k fans turning his crank. Will PSG be excluded next year because of FFPR? If yes, that takes them out of the bidding. Vertonghen is a top CB. He does not want to be here any more. Started before Tim was manager. He did not want to play LB. AVB made him play LB as that was bst for the team. Will Adebayor, who is the only one other than the kids to be glowing in praise for the gaffer, stay and play for us next season for a paltry 90k/week, when, no doubt, Galatasaray or another CL club will throw more money and years at him. Perhaps Zenit will take him? If he stays, it is to play for a contract that will pay him beyond what we will. So many ifs. All be clear in three months as the Europa League qualification begins. COYS
peterballb
Poll it. Tim. IN! or OUT!
jerkinmahjurgen
Thats Entertainment, all managers were backed early. Harry spent 45M on Defoe, Keane and Crouch (same money, at that time, would have bought all three of Suarez, Falcao and Dzecko). He did, IMO, pull the plug too quickly on Ramos an AVB and I suspect Sherwood, though, nothing as of yet. Managers need 3-5 years to really stamp a team with their mark. Unless we are finishing lower than 6th (where our finances dictate we ought to be) the managers are fine. Harry lost the job because he decided England was a better deal and lost sight of his current job. His inattention cost us and he paid the price for his `loyalty``. IMO, he could have done a lot better, but I believe he would have kept the job had he cared a much about Spurs as he did his own legacy. COYS
peterballb
jerkinmahjurgen, the time fo that poll is after the last game. Tim should not even be the discssion. All he, the players and the fans should be caring about is 72 points and lots of bad results from those above us. 2 losses and a draw for Arsenal and Everton and we pip 4th. As likely as odgy lasagna. That`s it, I`m going to cater Arsenal and Everton`s pre-game meals the rest of the way. COYS
peterballb
TE. This is really $hit or bust time for ENIC . They really need to pay top dollar for the best we can get, and leave him to it! Otherwise "were talkin bout a revolutiooon," lol
Dublin Hotspur
Press the golden buzzer and Tim can stay for five years!, what do you reckon Highgate LOL.
Thats Entertainment
Tottenham's got talent
Thats Entertainment
I see AVB has won his first 5 games in charge of Zenit and tops the Russian league. And Zenit are moving into their 70000 stadium next season and have guaranteed CL football. Bet he missing spurs and our impatient fans and chairman.....not.
StillRickyVilla
Well, we lost Bale last season, Peter. And all the new signings would've excited the squad as much as they did most of us. But you're right, if the grass is greener, they'll go. Regardless. Harry, Tim, AVB, matters not atm. We've not regular CL. Peter, if our big players think they shouldn't have to compete against younger players in the squad, they can sod off. Sherwoods' methods won't suit everyone, but they will work. He's asking for complete competition. Focus. A player that will fight for the shirt. Want it. Be proud to play for Spurs. He's got good performances from Bentaleb and it's been a very good start for Kane. Unestablished youngsters playing in the Prem. If advanced players end up wanting to play for him, he will be very good. The so-called 'war of words' he's been having mean nothing to a lot of fans. Mean nothing to Sherwood. No big deal. Players don't cause him grief. I agree though, it's all about the next 3 games. Good luck with the cooking.
jerkinmahjurgen
Played under Dalglish, Hodgeson, Hoddle. MUST'VE learned something.
jerkinmahjurgen
Dublin - completely agree and good article. Steffen fReund comes across as passionate, but also very, very bright and a great guy to have in your camp - sadly with seemingly no ability to input on anything at the moment. Steffan is the one fighting the fires Tim is lighting and trying to appease the likes of Sandro, Paulinho etc. Agree - give him the gig now.
Windlespur
TE - not funny in the slightest - prefer the slop bucket as like it was in TISWAS!!!!
Highgatespur
Jerk, an unwilling learner always finds it difficult to learn as he assumes to know everything... his parting words of Hoddle, Hodgson said a lot of what he learnt... 'mean nothing to a lot of fans' and you are speaking on behalf of ?.... btw it was all abut the games in March then the last 6 and now the last 3.... guess what? I think the jury's in! The decision has been made - the next 3 games won't mean much to the final decision - whichever way the winds blows - that'd be good for you Jerk? LOL!
Highgatespur
Here comes Thursday .... wonder how the interview will enlighten today... Come on Chris / Steffen, let's hear from one of you!
Highgatespur
Peter, Harry should have done better with the Modric, Bale, VDV, Ade (playing for a contract), Parker, King team. That team was the best in 30 years and should have been challenging for titles and winning trophies not scraping 4th.
StillRickyVilla
In my opinon sherwood is horribly out of his depth on almost every level (hardly surprising given he has zero experience let alone top 6 management experience). The only possible way of him being a success at spurs is to give him a minimum of 5 years (which in itself is completely unrealistic) have a complete clear-out and let him build his own team of "characters" whilst learning on the job. Even then I predict we would end up after the 5 years similar to moyes' everton. A try hard nearly team. Or we could keep the current crop (who are mostly lets face it world class or have potential to be world class) and bring in a proper manager to get the best out of them. If levy gets it right the wholr thing could turn around in an instant.
StillRickyVilla
the next 3 games mean nothing in relation to Tim staying next year....he can salvage some credibility by leaving with a good win%, might help him get a job elsewhere...
shedboy2
And good luck to the recipients - Torquay should be a safe bet!!!
Highgatespur
I see no advantage getting rid of Sherwood before the end of the season. We won't be able to replace him until the summer. We will have to wait and see who Man Utd choose, then perhaps we can pick through the scraps that they leave, this is the reality of where we now are in the pecking order. Regarding damaging the squad, I fear it has already been done, several players have already been alienated by Sherwood's selection policies, and prejudices, and will no doubt move on in the summer. The likes of Paulinho, Sandro, Capoue and Holtby would have no problem in getting games for clubs, some of which are better than us. The mistake was appointing Sherwood in the first place, we might as well endure the result until the end of the season, just muddle our way through the last 3 games, that given the opposition, should yield 9 points irrespective of who is in charge.
Frank
As said before.. Hoddle should have been temp. manager after AVB..
Block D Spurs
If I put it another way, Highgate, there's a few staunch haters on Vital. Still getting close to 36,000 attendance and two of them had 'Levy Out' boards. We're ALL disappointed with how the season has panned out but it's certainly not ALL Tims' fault. In fact, our inexperienced, unqualified club cretin has impressed a few, besides The Redknapps. Many articles I've read in his favour. And some against, 'tis true. I'm not counting them. Have a vote. Either way, the majority won't be massive. It's a closer call that you're making out. I agree Levy may have already made up his mind that we need someone new. Maybe. In some ways I hope you're right weeks ago saying the deal was done. That would rule Moyes out... lol. Of course there are a few managers I'd snap their arm off. But can we get one?
jerkinmahjurgen
 

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