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CONSISTENCY!

If there is one thing THFC appear to lack more than any other EPL club, it's consistency; and the two most important inconsistencies, in my opinion, concern our manager and our players.

Managers - Any manager, when joining a new club, needs time. He has to assess his squad, identify players that would enhance the squad, and find a system that works. This takes time unless, of course, a new manager is extremely lucky or has the unlikely opportunity to take over a successful team. Football, these days, is huge business and there is as much emphasis on financial profit as there is on success on the field. But, to achieve a decent profit and success on the field, there has to be a sustainable long-term business plan.

The demand for instant profit and success conflicts with the desired outcome if not managed correctly. Whatever way it is viewed, and for whatever reasons it has happened, our continual change of managers and search for instant success, is counter-productive. AVB was given four months to achieve success ... with seven new players and two players returning from long-term injury. Although he was at Spurs the previous season, it had no bearing at the start of this season.

We will never know what would have happened had he been allowed to see out the season. But we do know what has happened after he left. TS has had five months at THFC, although even as he was instated there was talk that he would not be here next season. Where's the commitment and sense in that. We have no idea about what will happen next in our managerial farce despite all the speculation around, 'will TS go', 'will he stay', 'who might we get next', etc, etc. But whatever happens next has to be under-pinned by commitment and consistency.

Players - THFC bought seven brand new, you-beaut, international players at the start of this season. I was ecstatic, as were most supporters. The most consistent performer of the seven has, without doubt, been Lamela .... because he has consistently not played. As for the others (apart from Lloris and, probably Eriksen), how have they performed? Arguments about team selection, playing out of position, adjusting to a new life-style, etc, can only go so far.

I truly believe that they all have potential (obviously they have shown their potential elsewhere), but I am also truly worried that, when given the opportunity to shine, they have rarely done so ... consistently. At this level there is no excuse for poor passing, lack of energy (running, supporting team mates, closing down players, etc). At this level the manager, whoever he is, cannot be blamed for all their failings. They should all be at the highest level of skill, work-rate, and dedication.

My concern is that few of them have displayed any of these attributes ... consistently! Okay, most of our 'new' players have not enjoyed a run of games in the first team, and having an abundance of midfielders has not helped ... but surely they train most days, they kick a football most days, so basic skills should not be affected. I admit there are other variables (and many of them) that contribute to our current situation but my questions are; Do managers need more time (despite early results), and, are our current players consistent enough?

Written by Geofspurs




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Date:Monday April 28 2014

Time: 8:06AM

Your Comments

Geofspurs - nice article. I think the answer to the question on the players is an easy one. We simply need to stop focusing on the 7 new players and focus on the whole squad. I'm a strong believer that it should be the old guard taking the flak. After all, they were supposed to make it easy for the new players to join and integrate. Kaboul crocked, Dawson hapless, Rose reckless, Lennnon inconsistent, Naughton/Walker error ridden. Need I go one. As for the manager, I'm a strong believer that we should have kept AVB and let his methods come through. I would have persisted with him but not sure we should with Tim as he's not even a manager at this stage. He's a rookie and we're a top team and they don't go together.
muttley
Again a few more wins during the season would have given us the CL place we need.


Again its crappy Thursday night football... Europe winner gets CL football next season... theres something to play for...
Yidmarks
58%+ win record for Tim... dont knock him so quick.. thats better than Arry and AVB...

He has done well as an interim manager... wouldnt mind if he stayed and was given a warchest...
Yidmarks
It's true geof, the new players haven't been allowed any consistency. Limited game time, played out of position, a different head next to them most games, no opportunity to build partnerships... Need I go on.
The old guard have been mostly poor, the youngsters average, but getting, in general more consistent game time than the internationals. ( naughton, fryers, bents, Harry, rose, etc.) in short, we have managed to turn a lot of good players, bad!
As far as the manager goes, I too could see glimpses of what AVB was attempting to bring to the party. I would have liked to have seen his tenure last til at least the end of the season. Tim just can't get it right! Tactics, media, set up!
Dublin Hotspur
Thanks Geof.

I'm pretty much on the same page as muttley. This season same as many others of late, far too many mediocre players playing far too many league games. Injuries cannot be helped admitted, but a RB playing LB as opposed to an actual LB?.

Bentaleb, done alright, time and place. Plays the big games ahead of some proven talent, does not do any worse, but the proven talent might just have kicked on given a run. It's the constant changing, who'd have thought Chadli and Siggy would play CM?, Chadli ahead of Sandro?.

I want the best players in their best psitions in the best formation for the given match, failing this the next best player who plays that position. 36 games played, I may be wrong, but is it not only now, the last 3 games that we have started with the same 11?. Continuity and stability, added to longevity of manager. Has to be the way forward no?.
cider spurs
My mistake. Near on consistency team wise. CB has changed game on game. 9 outfield out of 10 is nearing the mark however.
cider spurs
We are winning and TIM has the best record of any Tottenham manager in the Prem at the moment. Put that together with the fact he's true Spurs blood and i like his words. We should def give him a few years at least
willfry
Too many players with big ego's and small balls between their legs going in to the big games most seasons.....................Easy to talk a good game on twitter but not matching it when expected to stand up and be counted!! The Chavs showed us how yet again yesterday, go and park a bus but still get up the other end and punish your opponents, fair play to them yesterday!! COYS
WestStandEnclosure
I don't agree Geoff! Daniel Levy has been totally consistent during his entire SPELL as chairman of THFC! He has consistently treated his coaches like crap! Has consistently failed to back them in the transfer market with players of THEIR choice! Has consistently interfered, back stabbed and then fired his coaches without giving them sufficient time to create their own teams! Levy has been totally consistent in selling the clubs best players! Levy has been consistently improving his worst trophy per season stats of any THFC chairman since World War 2. Season after season Levy's empty trophy cabinet stats get worse and worse... Levy has consistently failed to give the club Champions League football! Levy has consistently failed to reach a single FA Cup or European Final... Levy consistently finishes (every season) below the club bitter rivals the Arsenal! Levy has consistently failed to build the new stadium, failing on his pathetic bid for the OS, and he consistently fails to find someone through naming rights, to fund the new stadium... 14 seasons in Levy has failed to even raise the the budget for the new stadium because his triple billionaire boss Joe Lewis has consistently refused to take out a loan from a bank (like AFC) to build the new stadium, or pay for it himself. Levy has consistently refused to work with the worlds two biggest sports wear brands Nike and Adidas, because they refuse to comply with his late summer kit count down rag trade releases, that are exclusive to Levy's pathetic online website and crap Spurs shops, losing the club hundreds of millions in merchandising revenue and global exposure every season! Levy consistently works on a zero net spend policy budget regarding the purchasing of players, which means the clubs best players consistently have to be sold to buy new players, a policy that has consistently failed in terms of on the pitch success for 14 seasons... Levy/Lewis/ENIC have been totally consistent! They have been consistently CRAP both off and on the pitch! ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
willfry - seen this before? http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/video-tottenham-caretaker-manager-tim-2952177

I would love to think that Tim was true Spurs blood but that clip sort of contradicts it in the worst possible way.
muttley
Muttley .... can’t disagree with any of that. I think we should pick 8 or 9 players as a base and play them regularly enough to develop some team work. The best and most consistent football we have played since we all know when was under “Arry’. But, even then, we played brilliantly for the first half of the season or for the second half ... but never for the whole season. This season has been ridiculous in terms of consistent team selection. The Kid played more games than most people liked and then was dropped just as he seemed to be looking good. Not logical, really. It’s amazing that we have done as well as we have, imo.
Geofspurs
I don't know why people keep going on about winning percentages. They mean nothing in real terms. We started this season as a favourite for a top 4 finish. With the team/squad we have, we should be beating every team below us. The fact is we still can't beat arsenal, chelsea, city and liverpool. Everton are a better team than us, anyone who disputed this, look at the table. If I was in charge of Spurs, I would still expect the team to go out and beat everyone below us. As a manager you are judged by the trophies and by beating the best teams. Every Spurs manager since I can remember has had a miserable record against the top 4/5 teams. This is the difference between a good manager and a great one. The fact that we have lost to spammers twice this season, lost to norwich and newcastle at home, couldn't beat west brom home or away, shows we cannot do the basics. We are consistent at something, and that is being inconsistent! When we can beat all the other teams, like man utd have done for years, then we can worry about the top 4/5. We will never challenge for anything if we can't get this right. What pains me even more is that the 3 points spammers took of us may well keep them in the prem. So, to anyone who is banging on about Dim have the best record. 6th place finish is not the best we have ever finished in the prem. We got 4th twice, so how can it be the best record. We reached the quarter final of the champs league. How has Dim bettered that? We lost 9-0 to Liverpool, that is a another record for Spurs. Get someone in who can coach and improve these players. We are not far away, but anyone who thinks Dim is going to take us forward must be sprinkling crack on their cornflakes.
vicspur
Paulinho is a good example of my question regarding some of our players. He lacks consistency big-time. I like the guy and have seen glimpses of excellence in his play, but I have also seen him play games (like the weekend) which have been full of schoolboy errors. That should never happen at this level. Half the team seemed unable to make accurate passes across 5 yards of grass, without any pressure, in the second half. That has to be a real worry because we will struggle to get anywhere without consistent performances from our players..
Geofspurs
vicspur, Don't you mean... "anyone who thinks LEVY is going to take us forward must be sprinkling crack on their cornflakes"...
Pele10
Geofspurs - the interesting thing about the football under Harry was the pace and angles of attack. It wasn't so much tactics as such, but when you have Bale, Lennon, Modric, Adebayor and VDV coming at you from every different angle it's difficult to setup a defensive unit. It was just a bunch of guys playing with freedom and playing for each other and it was only for a few weeks at a time. When it didn't work and was nullified, it was simply horrible as they had no tactics to fall back on. Then the losing became a habit and we struggled after xmas for 2 years. I think Tim is like Harry in that way. He knows you can throw out a bunch of talented players and they'll sort mist of it out themselves by playing together. We need more than that though. We need a Rodgers or Martinez type manager who can give us the best of both worlds. I genuinely think AVB would have opened up the playing style just like Mancini did at Man City once he'd got the tactics, togetherness and work ethic in place. We shall never know but I think what we have under Tim is very fragile indeed. We will get results as we have better players than most of the other teams. That doesn't mean we're convincing though.
muttley
I don't really want to get into a fight over Sherwood with anyone but I struggle with something quite fundamental. Nobody can deny that if you look at raw data like win percentages then Sherwood is doing a good job. His numbers are better than most albeit over quite a small sample (approx 20 or so games). However, in my opinion, look beyond the raw data and what I see doesn't fill me with any confidence whatsoever. If we are serious about building a club able to regularly compete for a top 4 place and the odd silver pot or two then that must be built on sound footballing foundations. Things like a solid defence, players with intelligence and pace playing in a system they understand with flexibility and the ability to change it during a game built in. We need to be developing a style of football that our players are comfortable with and that opponents find hard to deal with and handle. We should see us bonding as a group with our players wanting to play for each other, the fans, the manager and the club. We need a spirit of togetherness, pride and camaraderie that makes the sum of our parts greater than the sum of the individuals. We need to see our club performing above our perceived ability not below it. We need to see our club developing along the lines of Liverpool last season or Everton this season. Is that what you're seeing with Sherwood in charge? I don't. That, for me, is the biggest reason why I'm say I'm happy to give the right man 3-5 years to build something ONCE WE FIND THE RIGHT MAN. Backing the wrong man will take us back to the dark days of mid-table obscurity quicker than you think. Please don't focus solely on win percentages. Trust what you see on the pitch with your own eyes first. Have we really seen our team improve and start to put the foundations in place to build something special on with Sherwood in charge? Not for me I'm afraid. He is getting some results but we are not convincing in our victories and nothing looks solid enough to build on. We roll from game to game but the momentum is not building. We're rolling along in neutral when we should be going through the gears.
SpuriousLife
Pele10 ... That’s one way of looking at ‘consistency’. Well done. :-)
Geofspurs
Geofspurs, Paulinho was very consistent at winning major trophy's until he came to LOSER Levy's ENIC Auction House! Winning the FIFA Club World Cup: 2012, Copa Libertadores: 2012 (The South American version of the CL), Recopa Sul-Americana: 2013, Campeonato Brasileiro Série A: and the 2011 Campeonato Paulista: 2013... And for Brazil he has already won the Superclássico das Américas: 2011, 2012 and the FIFA Confederations Cup: 2013. Paulinho is a total WINNER but has sussed his boss Daniel Levy is a total LOSER and wants OUT! Sadly for us Pauli will be sold in the summer to return to winning ways...
Pele10
Muttley ... I can’t disagree with that either! We are better than the teams below us but I do wonder how we will step up to beat the teams above us without players like Modric, Bale, Berbatov and VDV. We certainly have a number of good players, but none to compare with those players, that I can see.
Geofspurs
We have been consistent so I don't really know what u are asking for? Consistently poor most of the season. We should blame ourselves for the poor season, we called for AVB to be sacked. Fans are petulant and impatient. We threw away our season the day we parted ways with AVB. TS was instilled as temp manager as there were no other options available to us. No chance Dim would ever get the job and was simply an easy target for Levy. We all know Dim does not have the intelligence nor the skill or man management or even the credentials to get the job long term. Levy knew this and it makes Dim a marshmallow under foot for Levy. As for the players, it's very easy to see how good and bad management can influence a club. Liverpool and United are proof in the pudding and cements the notion for Spurs to sign a pedigree manager. If u start blaming individual players u will lose a team, no manager would simply alianate his players the way Dim has done. I don't think any of out players should leave barring Dawson who is not a captain or a leader and should not mark a starting birth. There are fringe players in Naughton and Fryers who can decide their own fate but IMO we have a very talented group of international players who should be challenged to perform better.
Mix26
Geofspurs, a very well written article but from a very rose tinted glasses perspective, I must say. It was the failure of HR to use the whole squad and just his favourites that led to the failure 2011 team - players who were 1/4 fit were still taking to the field while the fit ones were sitting on the bench or were at home.... still vivid memories from that season...I think consistency is all great but not when half the squad is excluded from being in the team... we have tended to always go with favourites at Spurs but when when the favourites get crocked we have no one to turn to ... yes, we may players to turn up for games - but without the trust, without the involvement of playing , the true quality is gone.We keep on referring to the 7 new players - they signed for a vision given to them partly by the manager - yet they this man got fired within 3 months of the season and they were left with a big mess facing them. What did we gain by changing managers - nothing much really. I do blame Levy for this - not the players.

Managers certainly need more time; only if they have some understanding to develop a style of play, motivating players to play to a system and for his desired style, has shown great nous to take the club forward by playing players to their strengths, have integrity and not make derogatory comments that can be attributed to a xenophobe.
Are the players consistent enough? - they are not consistently good - what do they do in training sessions ?
The game is more than running around and kicking a ball... it is also about expecting and knowing what your colleagues are going to do next and that comes from knowing each other - that starts with familiarity in the truing ground.
Can we truly say that has been happening in the training sessions - where it all should start ?
Highgatespur
Excellent article Geof. Managers need time and purchasing players is a lottery. Not all are going to hit it off the bat so to speak. It takes time to understand each others play and playing in the fastest and most physical league in the world is going to be tough with players with no PL experience. Next season will show whether the players bought was money well spent. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Geofspurs, if we keep comparing the quality and style with past we will never succeed .... even in their heydays the heroes of the past certainly had their detractors.... we really ought to stop looking at the past as those have gone. If we are looking at examples of VdV, Modders, Bale, Crouch, Sheringham, Defoe, Lennon, Anderton, - what did they win exactly while with us? Great players but perhaps weren't personally challenged to WIN anything - do we want good players or do we want winners or a mixture of the two ? We are to blame for accepting the mediocrity we keep seeing at Spurs!
Highgatespur
Agree with your points, SpuriousLife
Highgatespur
oooh win percentages.....Tim is the best ever Spurs manager (In pl only)...yet Giggs is the best ever Manu manager in their entire history! and then there is that guy over in Russia breaking the Russian record with a 100% win percentage....I wish somebody would tell Tim he was interim...then we only need someone to tell him what that means...
shedboy2
Very interesting article - an insight ?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/tim-sherwood-its-hard-to-keep-my-dignity-at-spurs-30223882.html
Highgatespur
shed you're rigjt but Tim is desperate for the manager role st Spurs. Unfortunately the hotseat is not for him. Maybe one day in the future but we need a manager with experience, not someone with L plates. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
ames .. I agree that next season will provide a lot of answers, Mate. Just hope the manager is given enough time, even if it's a step backwards for a while.
Geofspurs
Highgate ... we don’t have to compare our current players with our past players, but we should compare our current players with those of the teams around and above us now. I’m sure you have noticed that they all have world class players (such as Modric, Berbatov, VDV, Bale) in their squads. Apart from Lloris .... we don’t!!
Geofspurs
Good point Geof re: world class players. We are nowhere near as strong as last season and beyond. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
What world class players do Liverpool have Geoff?
Mix26
Mix are you serious lol. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Mix ... There are probably four or five Pool players that would perform well in any EPL team.
Geofspurs
a.k.a dead serious. Liverpool finished 7th or something last year. I don't recall anyone wanting their players other than Saurez. Geoff we have team of individuals that would easily step into a top PL club. We lack a manager who can like BR turn these talented players into a team. It's not rocket science.
Mix26
Liverpool are the definition of formation tactics and discipline. Even without Saurez they would have made top 4.
Mix26
mix ... I don’t disagree with you in spirit but the point of the article is to generate discussion on the manager situation and our current players in terms of ‘consistency’ and how that affects THFC. I am not saying our players are not good enough because I believe they are, but I want to see them prove it in their performances.... consistently!
Geofspurs
Mix I see your point. Suarez has gone to another level though I.e. Bale/Messi/Ronaldo class and SG has excelled in his new position as a deep lying defensive playmaker. SG is a WC player and a major driving force in midfield which we have lacked since Bale left. We hoped Dembele would be the man to be the driving force but he has had a mixed season. Liverpool have come of age and Rodgers has got them playing amazing football. His influence is huge, there is no denying that. Sturridge and co are playing at a very high level. All have fantastic ability but like you said we need a manager to bring the best out of our talented squad. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Mix ... You could be right that Pool would be top four without Suarez, but I doubt that they would be title contenders without him. And tactics, formation and discipline, comes back to consistency ... in terms of giving a manager time to achieve. I think Pool were lucky in that everything came together for them this season, but that is not something clubs can generally count on and it certainly hasn’t happened for us, yet.
Geofspurs
we don't know if our players are consistent enough as they are consistently fecked about...
shedboy2
I think we have been consistently poor all season
spurticus87
Mix ,if Liverpool had been without Suarez and playing Europa football they would be in the same position as we are
spurticus87
Spurious ... Great post! I totally agree, and hope the next manager is given the time to achieve this.
Geofspurs
Highgate ... Not sure what you mean by ‘a rose tinted glasses perspective’, but I do tend to view the world through blue and white glasses. No apologies for that!
Geofspurs
Wouldn't it be lovely to be talking about a topic with some excitement about it. (Absolutely no offence geof, it's a great article). I just feel very flat at the moment. Can't get excited about the games, don't know what's going on with players and coaches, just feels like the season has fizzled out, like a firework that didn't go off! We shouldn't be talking about inconsistencies with 36 league games played, and all the cups done. I'd love to be talking about how we could hold off arsenal and keep 4th, or looking forward to wembley or Turin! Sorry for sharing my depression today!
Dublin Hotspur
a.k.a.james1spurs, Tim is not desperate for the manager role st Spurs! He has a legally binding contract confirming he is the THFC head coach (manager) until the end of the 2014-15 season. He is the THFC manager! The only way Levy can remove him from this position is to buy out his contract or agree on a compensation package, which means TIM will become a vastly wealthy man. How many millions of the clubs money has that total LOSER of a football chairman wasted, thrown away, over a period of 14 seasons, when firing his personally appointed head coaches??? ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
Pele10 he is interim manager and will be replaced no? COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
shedboy2, agree on the Spurs players being consistently fecked about! But no one at the club get's more fecked about, fecked over than we the loyal fans of Tottenham Hotspur fans , who unlike the coaches and playing staff who get paid vast sums of money to get fecked about, Levy fecks over his customers who pay (fund) the whole operation with our loyalty and our wallets. We pay LOSER Levy's salary and in return fecks over the club and it's supporters seasons after season... ENIC FECK OFF!!!
Pele10
a.k.a.james1spurs, No TIM is not interim manager! He is head coach of THFC until the end of season 2014-15. Please read this official statement on the clubs official website. The statement begins. "Following the departure of Andre Villas-Boas, the Club can announce that Tim Sherwood has been appointed Head Coach with a contract to the end of the 2014/15 season... The word interim is not mentioned once in the statement... http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/tim-sherwood-appointed-head-coach-231213/
Pele10
Geof, in this day and age there are blue roses LOL

I don't think while they were with us, Modders, Bale VdV et al could have been classed as "world class" (anyway what is "world class"?); they were exceptionally talented individuals whose talents we didn't maximise to benefit us fully.

We always, by default, compare our teams and the way we play to the "Spurs Way" or the team of Billy Nick...
I think it's about time we looked into what is it we want primarily - success or playing beautifully ? If we want success we need to look at developing defensive as well as offensively WITH an experienced successful boss: we do need someone who has tasted success and knows what it looks like, amongst the crew!

I believe our squad is better than L'pool, L'Arse, Everloan and manure... before this point is dismissed I'd like to see the others operating under the excruciatingly challenging circumstances our squad was dealing with this season ...
I won't list them all but to lose someone of GB's influence and the quality of leadership and skills left behind was a mammoth job which needed skilled leadership/management which was missing BIG time and this was further exacerbated by the dismissal of the manager in December. I don't know if many would have done well as Spurs have under those circumstances.

I am all for all backing our managers - I backed them all - my 100% backing for the present went out of the window after the tirade v Chelski game...
Lets back the manager whole heartedly but lets pick the right man to inspire and motivate the good squad of players we have.

My support for the CLUB will never wane... but if present circumstances prevail my support will have to be to being a fan.
Highgatespur
"Mix ... There are probably four or five Pool players that would perform well in any EPL team."

Maybe true but we'll never know - likewise we could say the same for the Spurs players !!!
the question we ought to be asking IMO, how would their players have reacted if the fiasco of Spurs took place at their club ?

Not that different when recalling the days of Hodgson and the last reign of Dalglish ?
Highgatespur
shedboy2, I don'y think listening will be part of his skills set on this occasion...
Highgatespur
spurticus87 you write, "if Liverpool had been without Suarez and playing Europa football they would be in the same position as we are"... You could also write "if Joe Lewis owned Chelsea, and Roman Abromovich owned THFC we would be where Chelsea are, and Chelsea would be in the same position as we are...
Pele10
Pele10 I know, I've read the official statement but 18 months is not what a full time coach gets these days? If Levy had confidence in him he would have given him a 3 year contract. I would be very surprised if Sherwood remains as coach of Spurs next season. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Highgate, add ridiculous levels of injuries to that list!
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin, I feel like that at games and feel so embarrassed and let down !!!
Highgatespur
Dublin, I'm glad someone's with me !!!
Highgatespur
I don't think we can single out our midfield for too much critisim with the massive imbalance in the current squad. We are playing a system that effectively has a right winger and three / four CM across the pitch. We also have LB/LWB/LW sprinting up and down the touch line but most of the time seems out of position. We rarely have an outlet on the left wing and the gap left by Rose restricts our midfield from moving forward fluidly. If we are not going to play with a left winger then Rose must be told to stay in a more defensive role. Or else use Townsend on the left wing and tell Rose to stay back in a more defensive position.
Slurms McKenzie
The only glimmer of hope this season is that everton might implode, we very nearly have Europa league secured and next season this competition also offers a route into the Champions League. Lets finsih on 72 points and hope that this is enough for fifth place and that Arsenal slip up a couple more times so the gap is at least less then 6 points!
Slurms McKenzie
a.k.a.james1spurs, There has not been a single Spurs coach that has seen out his contract from start to finish since ENIC took over. LOSER Levy sacks all the coaches he personally appoints. Uses them as his scapegoats for his zero net spend transfer policy, and his pathetic ENIC Auction house, where each coach has to watch in horror as the clubs best players are sold without their approval or permission, therefore making their jobs impossible! But of course your correct, Sherwood will be fired and paid off this summer. Blame 14 seasons of ENIC FAILURE all on Danny's personally appointed DIM... JOE LEWIS OUT!!!
Pele10
Why can't we be like other clubs who all let their coaches see out their contracrts, why do we have to be so different?
Slurms McKenzie
Dublin ... I know just how you feel, Mate. At the start of this season I really expected big things to happen. Even the title seemed a possibility. But we seem to have imploded. In hindsight we have done brilliantly to be where we are. Twenty wins, ten of them away, is no mean feat by any standards in this league. But I’m finding it really difficult to face the next season with the same degree of optimism. By the time August comes that will change; it always does. But the simple concept of consistency is the key to success for me, although I’m no longer sure how we’ll achieve it in the short-term. It’s become a matter of enjoying each game as it comes without such high expectancies as league titles.
Geofspurs
If we sign a player and they are a flop should they be allowed to see out their contract?
Slurms McKenzie
Geof haven't Spurs been consistently under achieving for years?
Slurms McKenzie
Highgate .. Modric, Bebatov and VDV were always world class, I'm surprised you could not see that. Bale, I agree, was still developing. I agree that our squad compares to Pool, Arsenal, Everton and United (I have difficulty in using their names mockingly) except for one thing ... the lack of a world class, game changing, individual. We do not have one, whereas they all do, imo.
Geofspurs
When you look deeper though you will see that Sherwood has inherited the best ever Spurs squad in the Premiership years. It is no coincidence that he has the best win ratio with it. Jol, Ramos, Harry and AVB had decent squads but they didn't have the depth that could deal with 5 key injuries at all times in the way Tim has. In fact the only thing Tim hasn't got is a Modric, Bale or Berbatov. Saying that, Eriksen is getting closer to their level in my opinion. Is it really unreasonable to think that getting 2/3% of the points available is unreasonable with our squad?
muttley
Slurms ... There have been times when you are probably right, and not too long ago. But I don’t even want to think about that kind of consistency ... it makes us appear consistently inconsistent. :-)
Geofspurs
I agree Geofspurs, the players mentioned were world class whilst with us, even Bale. They were players that made the difference, provided the magic. I will stop talking about them now as I am getting upset.
Kong
Dublin ... you’ve made me think! I started this article after watching the Stoke game again. It therefore has shades of depression rather than the usual optimism. Don’t you just hate it when reality bites?! I really wanted you to go to Turin! lol
Geofspurs
For me, Bale become world class over 3 years. He started by just tearing down the left wing and put in some magical performances. He then spent a year trying to move inside with mixed success. Then last season he absolutely showed his class by taking teams on single handedly from any angle. That's when I first started to look at him differently. Modric, Berbatov and VDV always had a better chance to show what they had as they played centrally and the game came through them more.
muttley
Geof, I disagree about the world class, what's the definition ? Berbatov, Modders, VdV were great players for us - but no where near to what I class as WC... Berbatove didn't turn up to half the games, Modders only won over the fans the year b4 protest, VdV hardly made two games in a row... they were GREAT but definitely not world class.... world class to me is Iniesta, Xavi, Messi, Robben, Shweinsteiger, Alves and so on....
Highgatespur
Cheers geof! I think it's as the final date gets closer, and the fa cup final draws closer, reality, as you say, bites!
Dublin Hotspur
Geof, I disagree about the world class, what's the definition ? Berbatov, Modders, VdV were great players for us - but no where near to what I class as WC... Berbatove didn't turn up to half the games, Modders only won over the fans the year b4 protest, VdV hardly made two games in a row... they were GREAT but definitely not world class.... world class to me is Iniesta, Xavi, Messi, Robben, Shweinsteiger, Alves and so on....
Highgatespur
Apologies for the double post - obviously thinking of the aspirations glory trail next year ...
Highgatespur
muttley ... exactly, and how we are missing that!
Geofspurs
I disagree, I think we are consistent, consistently mediocre, and unreliable, we consistently under perform considering the quality we have. Of the 7 new signings Eriksen has been outstanding, whilst both Capoue and Paulinho had good starts, both got injured, then the management change occurred and both have struggling as they are not in consistently, and are not rated by Sherwood. The two highest profile of the new signings Soldado, and Lamela have not produced, Soldado having ample opportunity but failing, and Lamela hardly seen due to "injury". They are both possibly wrong signings for us, several of us wanted Bony rather than Soldado last summer and have been proved right, he is 24, has scored 24 in all comps in a poor Swansea side, and only cost £12M. We now have to win our last 2 to scrape into the EL, then sort out the manager role yet again, and set out on yet another season of hope. I suppose one day we may get it right and realise our potential, but with Levy at the helm I doubt it.
Frank
Off topic - Max Clifford found guilty - shocker!!!
Highgatespur
The players are chosen for business reasons to polish up and sell on and are rarely in line with the on the pitch requirements of the team or to rectify obvious defects. Add to that the failure to identify strikers. see Bony and Benteke going elsewhere. No wonder we cannot get into the top four. As for Tim we will know his situation soon enough but some of you need to get your Kleenex out and start sobbing because Tim may not be going. He is a talented rookie who has done a great job for us in terms of points gained.If he goes our management merry go round will go on and he will come back to haunt us with another club
cynicspur
Highgate ... We will have to agree that our definitions of world class players differ because examples of mine are Modric and Berbatov. But, hey, it’s football ... all supporters have their little eccentricities.
Geofspurs
annoyingly we are quite consistent, we have missed out on the champions league for the last 6/8 seasons or so.... This season however has been by far the worst season in a long time, even the Ramos 2pts season was more enjoyable by the end, this one has just declined into misery and depression. The only saving grace is I think it will actually prompt Levy into doing something special about it, he must know Tim and AVB didn't work out and our best times came when he appointed the highest profile manager i.e. Harry Redknapp. This time we need someone as good but someone ten times more professional ala Benitez, Mancini or LvG..
T.H.F.Chris
Geof agreed, I suppose that's where Spurs go overboard in our estimation of Spurs players... some people who sit near me once told me that JD was world class!!!
Highgatespur
muttley ... You are right in that we have gained a good share of the points, may even be 72 again. But we seemed so close to doing so much more and, now, it feels like we’ll have to start all over again. See my comment to Dublin re my state of mind when I wrote this article. I think, as a form of therapy, it’s working!
Geofspurs
Highgate ... Were they Canadians?!
Geofspurs
I wonder how many players Tim can field in the last couple of games that either need to prove their fitness for the world cup or are trying to nick a place in their country's squad or team? Walker, Dawson, Kaboul, Vertonghen, Sandro, Capoue, Lennon, Soldado, Lamela etc. Should be an easy team-talk to give !!!
muttley
How do you define World Class? For me it's someone who can make a difference at the highest level whether it's creating, scoring or defending on a consistent basis. Modric, VDV and Berbatov are in that category. Berba was a lazy bugger at times but he could afford to because he was so gifted. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Geof, no they're born and bred British!!! Blind to the cause!!! Hey ho opinions ?!!!
Highgatespur
I’ve just had a thought, stop groaning because I’m going to share it anyway. We often talk about ‘the Spurs way’ and how some people prefer to win ugly than lose beautifully, etc, etc. We could well equal our highest EPL points total, so why aren’t I happy. I think it’s because I have not seen much on the park to get excited about all season. Would I be happier now if I’d seen some brilliant performances on the pitch but we won less points? Seriously, yes, because I would have had something to remember and something to cling on to for next season. Weird, a?!
Geofspurs
James, agree with your definition: "For me it's someone who can make a difference at the highest level whether it's creating, scoring or defending on a consistent basis."

When did Modders, Berbs and VdV performed at the "highest level" when with Spurs... VdV has performed well-ish in the WC finals but... they were excellent players while with us not World Class IMO!!!

I do apologise if the bold doesn't work.... sorry ...
Highgatespur
Well done Dublin - another bit of success for your tutorial!!!
Highgatespur
Geofspur, not weird at all but probably what most people feel. We could end up on 72 points and 5th, exactly the same as last season but my feelings compared to last year are totally different. I was excited all the way to the end last season, had great memories of goals but this year not too much to get excited about.
Kong
Geof With AVB we wasn't playing great football but I was willing to accept the style as long as we were winning. If we qualified for CL and then worked on the more attractive style we were once accustomed to I would bite the bullet and take that. I supported Spurs because of one player but the team played with a swagger and most were technically very good; some bordering insane! I think the Spurs way will come back soon. Just need an attack minded coach who likes his his team to attack and defend with gusto! COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
James ... Just love your definition of 'world class', mate! cheers.
Geofspurs
Lol highgate. Geof, that's true. All the memories I have of this season are of frustration, embarrassment and to a point, anger. Not many on the pitch glory moments!
Dublin Hotspur
MAN ON appears to be AWOL.
Geofspurs
Highgatespur you've heard of 'form is temporary and class is permanent'. I think it applies to those players mentioned. Man Utd shelled 30 million for Berba, how much was it for Modric? and VDV we got for a snip but those players are world class. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Geof, there's an article in this! Most memorable on the pitch moment of the season! Mine would be Robbie's goal and celebration v Cardiff or the beasts rocket!
Dublin Hotspur
Cheers Geof :) COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Dublin ... Robbie's goal was a great moment, for him and for everyone else that was there. Loved the celebrations.
Geofspurs
Then Tim drops him..:( COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Madness James, madness
Dublin Hotspur
I believe that there's a huge contradiction with a lot of fans that doesn't really help the situation and encourages inconsistency in the modern game as a whole and, it's the same at THFC... Many supporters are impatient and want instant success. Players, manager and chairmen are constantly berated when it's not going so well. The pressure is piled on and the knives are out. Sack the manager! Get rid of the 'deadwood'! Why can't we keep Bale? Why can't we buy so and so, the finest player YouTube has ever seen! Old Red Nose is this and Dim is that! Supporters will then criticise the Chairman for his decision making, whilst effectively forcing his hand with their high expectation levels and lust for the next big thing, be it player or manager. The glaring contradiction being that we beg for consistency and yet continually plead for something different.... So what next? Fire Tim and get in LVG, Benitez or whoever. After 8 matches we're in the relegation zone, after a couple of heavy defeats to Liverpool and City. Then a couple of undignified words to the press from the boss, who's now under immense pressure and here we go again.... LVG OUT! Only for us to see AVB win the CL and Tim the FA cup, with Norwich.... It's a funny old game....
MAN ON!
MAN ON! that's the beauty of football and life in general. Everyone has their own idea of how a club or their lives should be run. Makes very interesting reading ;) COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Geof, mine would be Robbie's goal celebrations at Villa and WHL - great stuff... Agree with James and Dublin.... mind you watching Sandro on Saturday was quite amusing....
Highgatespur
James - I am not saying that they are not world class only that they weren't when they were with us... I didn't like RM before now I can't stop 'drooling' over them - watching Modders and Bale play with others there looks stunning....
Highgatespur
Right you are Highgatespur. Please don't mention Modders and Bale with RM it makes me sad. :( COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
James I would like to add one thing to your great post about Spurs ... a knowledgeable winning coach who can lead us to a winning period that lasts more than two years by developing an effective defines as well as attack.... there you not much.... interesting statement by SKY on manure + LvG....
Highgatespur
James - you are not the only I'm certain of that!!!
Highgatespur
Highgate, if true what sky are saying that Man U are looking at other candidates as well as LVG then we better make a decision and make our move if not already on the one the club want rather than wait around for LVG, move on if he is not interested.
Kong
Man on! - no contradictions- let me help you understand....“You can please some of the people some of the time, all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time but you can never please all of the people all of the time.” ....you seem like a 'some of the people all of the time' type of guy....the chairman and board have to please most of the fans. most of the time....(Apologies to Abe for changing out 'fool' with 'please')...
shedboy2
Mourinho to united. You heard it here!
Dublin Hotspur
Highgatespur we better get a shifty. Personally LVG is playing a game to great effect. He's just waiting for one of the big clubs to come begging for his signiture..but under his terms of course! A bit like that film 'One man standing'. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
the truth is the big clubs see lvg as a last resort manager,all the speculation is coming from his side.i actually dont think manure are that interested and we should stay clear of him as well
ghulamville
dublin- no chance...you heard it here...;)
shedboy2
I'm definitely not pleased all the time. But I'm also not displeased with everything.... :-)
MAN ON!
I am also one of those supporters too, that I'm writing about....
MAN ON!
Highgate .... I agree with you about watching Real Madrid now, but I’m still surprised that you did not see that in Modric and Berbatov while they were with us.
Geofspurs
Man ON .... I totally agree with your longer post up the thread a bit. Patience and time is the order of the day!
Geofspurs
Time for bed. Night all. COYS
Geofspurs
Geof - seriously they weren't otherwise we would have won something other than the LC ... Modders has greatly improved since his injury year; as for Berbatov I would never put in that echelon of footballers... to a number he was a selfish, lazy with abundance of skills that he wasted.... They were great players in the Spurs shirt ....
Highgatespur
Kong and James - I agree - there is some decisions to be made - I am holding out for FdB .... if any.... meanwhile some one is going apoplectic over all the talks - ain't that a funny world !!!
Highgatespur
Shed….. a cyber fiver on it??…

night Geof, cheers for the debate starter!
Dublin Hotspur
If Giggs wins his matches comfortably and with a certain style, should he get the job? Will he get the job?
MAN ON!
dubiln a cyber fiver?....the Kudos...Man On! - no and no...I think the share price would drop a 100m should Giggs be announced manager....
shedboy2
I don't think Giggs will get it myself. But you never know.
MAN ON!
Shed, a gentlemans bet! Can't pay you if I lose, and as it's a blog, so a cyber fiver!
Dublin Hotspur
I want neither for Spurs to win ugly nor to lose beautifully. I want us to win beautifully. Simple enough, no?
Falstaff the Fool
"If Giggs wins his matches comfortably and with a certain style, should he get the job? Will he get the job?" MAN ON!,


He's only got two matches to go. That's not sufficient time to tell whether he should get the job based on performance.

Falstaff the Fool
Falstaff the Fool. I only asked about Giggs as a joke really, because it was discussed as a possibility on MOTD. My response to Lineker, Hanson and co., was the same as yours... Hanson said if he wins the next 3 matches by 4 or 5-0 he should be considered.
MAN ON!
Pele10.. consistency??... the only thing we can say is.. you are consistent in avoiding the plain facts of... AVB (he upset a lot of people at the club, and walked out on us at the meeting with Levy at training ground) /THFC / ENIC ? OS / New Stadium delays, Archway Steel & CPO...Harringey Council / TfL Boris.. as for Harry.. who did see out a 3 year contract from Levy, and that's why he got no compensation.. in fact Levy offered him a new deal, which Harry turned down cos he thought he got the England job.. So why not break a lifetime of consistency on VS, and admit to the FACTS...Try to objective...see what Coopsieyid had proven on the various stadium situations... Also admit that all your posts are just the same old ENIC out.. no silverware... every time..You do actually make good posts sometimes...try to keep that going, as we all want silverware and league titles.. BUT we have to be able to have the infrastructure to support costs of players, and to maintain it.. by a larger ground, revenues, etc.. We are now in top 12 richest clubs in Europe since ENIC took over.. (we were nowhere near in those days of 1970's / 80's) / 90's )or would you rather see us go the way of Leeds, which we nearly did, but Alan Sugar saved us.. You can't build houses (or football clubs) without the foundations to support them, for many years to come...COYS
Block D Spurs
I think ole Alex still want to hold on to his power and will want Giggs et al in place....
Highgatespur
Ok FTF what would be your second preference?
Highgatespur
Fergie was there at the game... pulling Giggsy and team strings..
Block D Spurs
Block D I think you talk sense but doubt if your post will reach the intended target...
Highgatespur
The sly one will never want to be seen to be wrong .... it sounds like Moyes tried to phone him on Monday - there was no answer... hmmmm
Highgatespur
Highgate.. This is the last time, as i have tried before ..
Block D Spurs
Fool ... I want us to win that way too!
Geofspurs
Goodbye 4th ... hello 5th?!
Geofspurs
Good-morning Geofspurs. Good article. Cheers.
MAN ON!
Good on you, Block D....
Highgatespur
G'day MAN ON ... Thanks. Just off to the beach to see what's biting! Have a good day.
Geofspurs
This article is so wrong Spurs are not or do not lack consistency. To say and I quote from the above article. If there is one thing THFC appear to lack more than any other EPL club, it's consistency. Spurs are always always consistently behind Arsenal always behind the Gunners. Beginning to think you lot are a bit on the gay side always chasing the Arse. Oh well you can try again Happy St. Tottenham's Day.
alwaysgunner
Block D Spurs great post re: Pele 10. alwaysgunner hurry on now otherwise you'll be late for school. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Ladies have bottoms too don't you know......
MAN ON!
Dublin- it's a bet...but what's time limit?
shedboy2
If Mourinho wins 0-1 he is the messiah and a genious. If Tim and Tot win 0-1 away at Stoke who this season has beaten Chelsea, Arsenal and City at home we are boring and Tim is a useless trainee. It will be impossible to please most posters here who maybe for some reason unknown to me adore Mourinho and like to ridicule TS who has done a good job under very difficult circumstances. for those who want him sacked, who do you realistically suggest we go and hire as new head coach ? suggestions please not just mindless complaints without ideas
gRAMMSTEIN
Mix26, for my information, which players have TS alienated ? i am not trying to be smart, i am genuinely curious ?
gRAMMSTEIN
Cynicspur...totally agree. Who ever is in charge. COYS
gRAMMSTEIN
gRAMMSTEIN... I keep asking the same questions as you. I get mocked for it.
MAN ON!
Feel like they ought to have open top bis parade after the Vill agate to celebrate our lovely achievements of the year.... oh the joys they bought - unforgettable...
Highgatespur
Highgate .... It is unforgettable. Extremes are always unforgettable.
Geofspurs
Geof, hope you wake up to some grand news ... come on Levy give Frank all he wants .... seize the day!!!!
Highgatespur
alas..spurs fans thinking that that their players are better than they actually are. @geoffspurs ..spurs were crushed with ease 4-0 and 5-0 home and away by pool no matter what variation of your squad you put out but apparently spurs have a better squad than liverpool. a spurs squad of players that havent actually won anything or got close, a squad that cannot actually perform when the talking stops at 3.pm on saturdays..but nevertheless are better than pools squad who only do well because the manager motivates them and because suarez does everything, defends creates all the goals and scores them al himself. regardless of the fat that it is the ppol players that are the ones on the pitch physically making the right things happen on the actual pitch not the manager. but nevertheless that does not matter because according to spurs fans the team placed at the top of the middle tier of the league (spurs) have the better squad while looking upwards to the inferior squad of top placed liverpool who minus suarez goals have still scored more goals than everyone in the league bar city and chelsea and WAY more than spurs superior squad. the superior spurs squad at best muster a mighty position of 6th place but that does not matter. they are superior because they are only 6th beause they never had their best players available when they did not win and if not that then spurs players are still better but they have not had long enough to gel and if not that then it sbecause the manager is not good enough to get the best out of these players but no way is it because spurs have wasted millions on crap players ..no way is it that . spurs squad is by far superior and NEXT season will be the season they prove it and if not next season then its because there has been too much change and the yea AFTER ill see spurs actually do well.
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