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Following Younes Kaboul`s red card on Saturday, it is highly possible that we will never see him in a Tottenham shirt again

With his contract expiring this summer, and as yet no confirmation that he wants to stay or perhaps even be wanted, it wouldn`t be a shock to see Kaboul leave for a big money move and leave Spurs with one less central defender or perhaps one less problem to solve between now and August.

Though Kaboul has played regularly in recent times, I am guessing the club still have reservations over his long term fitness, whilst if there is a genuine concern, can you blame the player for looking for the biggest financial offer to secure his long term future.

Spurs won`t want to be caught out with a player on a long term contract and see him suffer months of inactivity, so I`m guessing this isn`t a simple negotiation, as the player will obviously want a career defining contract and long term security, whilst the club won`t want to be lumbered.

One problem Spurs have is that defensively they are in a mess. Kaboul is a free agent, Dawson looks a declining force, Vertonghen doesn`t look like he wants to be here and Chiriches still has to convince. Add Naughton, Rose and Fryers to those four and you have to question whether any of them really have a long term future with us.

Does this uncertainty actually save the careers of players such as Dawson, for the short term at least? It would be a massive gamble to dump all the under performing or unhappy players whoever is in charge and at least in the majority of those, they are decent cover, if not must have first picks. Kaboul however now has his future in his open hands and may he consider that moving for bigger money and/or a slightly less demanding league a sensible move for him?

The fact he was recently given the armband, gave me a hint that he was still wanted by Spurs, but equally have his performances and leadership since his return made him a player we feel we have to fight to keep? I suppose without hearing his thoughts, seeing his work in training and also considering his desire and attitude, it is impossible for us on the outside to judge.

The idea of our losing nearly all of our back line, perhaps including our keeper(s) isn`t something I like the thought of, even though there isn`t a single player, Lloris aside that I would shed a tear over his departure. Kaboul might well decide he needs to move, whilst Spurs might not be trying their damnedest to keep him, but his staying or leaving will also, I assume have an effect of who else stays and goes in our back line...




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Monday May 5 2014

Time: 11:26AM

Your Comments

major shake up with the defence required next season
ghulamville
OX-i disagree with you that if we sell him we will get "big money"for him.i would say 5-6million
ghulamville
Agree,n the odd occasion he's fit enough to play,looks a bit clumsy.Yes are defence is pretty much a mess but one good man in there will pull tings together.Lloris ?probaly saves more than he gives away but slightly Gomes Mk 2,if he goes my choice would the Swansea keeper ,brilliant but steady.COYSaT
spurgatso
yeah our defence is a mess. Ended up buying lots "plays behind the striker" players, and virtually no decent defenders.
spurs_sa
Ideally I would like to keep Verts, Walker, Fryers and Lloris. The rest can go. Of course, it depends who the new manager is. Frank De Boer or Benitez might just convince Verts and Lloris to give us another season. If we get Poncho, then I can't see them wanting to stay.
vicspur
A great player on his game and one player I feel has earned a new contract. His injuries have been serious and nothing short of disappointing for the club. I hope he proves his fitness over the next month or two and gets a new contract. Does anyone have the stats on his appearances and injuries and how they compare with other defenders in the league?
Mix26
Maybe worth giving him an extension or a pay-as-you-play deal if he's willing to accept and having him as a squad player vs. a starting XI. Would rather Dawson goes, he's been awful this year. We definitely need another CB and a LB.
mattspurs1982
ghulam whats Dim 'the best' at?
Mix26
I doubt anyone will be sold, the new manager will want to see what he has before selling anyone. However, I foresee a very busy Jan window (2015). Also, BAE will be returning to bolster LB, as well as holtby in midfield. Capoue and Lamella missed most of the season so they will seem like two new signings. The only player I will be happy to sell is paulinho because he is a douchbag.
neymar
Mix26.. He does a triffic job in winding people up!
MAN ON!
I believe his best days were as a full back under Redknapps management when we had injuries. Typical Spurs that he never played there again. The longer he was out injured the greater his mystique grew until he actually played and then reality set in.
cynicspur
I cant see Spurs allowing BAE back in the door after the Quenelle mess
mattspurs1982
lol MAN ON yes he certainly knows how to behave like an idiot ill give you that ;-)....
Mix26
I say keep Kaboul, Verts, Dawson, Chiriches. Dawson and Younes as back up along with Fryers who doubles as left back. New left back, Naughton as cover for right and left. Keep Walker... TS or whoever, needs to get them all back to basics. Defensive duty above all else.... Lloris is by far the best and should give 'em all a good slap around the head!
MAN ON!
I think BAE's days at Spurs are over.
MAN ON!
MAN ON - think one of those 4 needs to move on, be it Kaboul (as mentioned in the article), Dawson (because he's pants) or Verts (if he agitates for a move). We definitely need fresh blood back ther and not a "prospect" like Chiriches, a proven CB who can do a better job than the 4 CB's have done this year
mattspurs1982
Vital Liverpool troll is back again; 1. ghulamville 41 2. The Bagman 4 3. BigRed83 2 4. redleicester 1 5. Paul Higgins 1 6. RafaTheGaffer 0 Read more: http://www.liverpool.vitalfootball.co.uk/#ixzz30q8KGFJ7
spu 4 life
no tears shed. rose, naughton, paulinho, chadi, lennon, soldado should all follow him out the door. if its average players we are comfortable with having, then average results should be expected. I think weve actually punched above our weight this season with so much mediocre dross in the team and the merry go round at the top
lillywhites101
the brainless sheep Highgatespur,mix26 and spu 4 life
ghulamville
NEXT
ghulamville
u phucking little rat! This is a Spurs forum! If Liverfool is that boring even when the club is doing well yet u still want to troll other vital sites! U pretend to be a Spurs fan??? What a joke u are and the typical glory hunter fan too! I suppose when City win u will be a city fan.
Mix26
Mix26-look,- ,im sorry i beat you to it,but dont get angry im sure you can re-register on whatever site you want.just follow the procedure
ghulamville
Keeper as been the only defender all season and hope they give him some help and dump the rest.spurs will and have not got anywhere with dawson in it so hope i never see him again in a spurs shirt. Rubbish player out out out and move on with out the 2 goal down a game player.if this team finishes 6th this season a lot of other teams have big problems also.if we lose the best keeper we have ever had because of false defenders the goals against next season will treble. Sick sick and sick again of the tought of losing the only world class player we had this season again.imagine being stuck in the trenches with this lot.levy out as he can not deliver a sunday or monday paper with good news.
bazdog
I believe BAE and Gomes are both out of contract. Why would either accept a new deal at Spurs. Gomes has now not played under three successive managers. BAE looks ok in the championship. Was better than people gave him credit, but he's no longer there. As for Kaboul, i recall a couple saying tvere is another year on the contract. Regardless, he's rarely playing, and as much as that's a shame, like Woodgate, sometimes players just need to go. I can't see Vertonghen staying. Hall will, in the next year or so replace Dawson. Chiriches, like Dawson and Hall are all right-sided players. That leaves us needing two players comfortable on the left. Not very confident in Fryers there. So we find ourselves innit. What a mess. There is no plan. COYS
peterballb
I think people forget how good younes was before his last major injury I think we should offer him a 2 year deal. As for vlad he was man of the match 4 times in his first 9 games for spurs he just needs a run in the side. We all know how good jan is. For me the issue we have is the coaching of these players. They are top players.
Lloydgallo
spu 4 life. How old are you? In your 60's? School playtime again..? You'll get yourself arrested!
MAN ON!
Sell the lot and replace them! Whoever comes in can be no worse than these pack of useless overpaid muppets. Fact!
ledgespur
That's the best fact of the day so far. Congratulations!
MAN ON!
Trying to think of who would be available in the prem that would be any better than what we have.. Its slim pickings. Jagielka wont leave everton / injury prone. Cant think there's anyone from City, Chelsea or United that we could / would get. Maybe Agger who isn't getting much game time, but is injured a lot. Lovern from S'mpton? Caulker has just been relegated so has he really pushed on? Stones looks a prospect but Everton wont sell. Swansea's Ashley Williams?? Cant think of many else...
mattspurs1982
lol u are no football supporter ghulam just a child troll . It's ok I am very relieved as it was evident on many other articles u were trying to ruffle peoples feathers with stupid remarks. None the less the truth is out and it's no surprise u are a liverfool fan. I have plenty of them opening their mouths claiming glory once again. Such a shame as Dim now now has only one last hope on VS....
Mix26
IF we can appoint De Boer then theres a chance Verts will stay having played under him (as Captiain) at Ajax. Dawson will struggle under De Boer as the Dutch like to play the ball out of defence, long cross field balls into the stands are not the desired outcome. I can see Chirches and Verts forming a formidable partnership IF De Boer is appointed. We still need a top LB, Rose isn't good enough as cover, he is far too often out of position or not even trying to get back into position. He should go and probably Sunderland will have him if they stay up.
yiddyboy
In fact their all C***'s, we're all C***'s, Everyone's a C***! Sorry I have nothing better to do with my time.... Think I'll go and start a fight with some youth on the Estate! Laters!
MAN ON!
I'm hoping Liverpool blow this title race just to shut up all the smug Liverpool fans. Driving me crazy. Shame as they play great stuff, but the fans are unbearable
mattspurs1982
ive always been registered on the liverpool site.all 5 years now.the reason why its become an issue NOW is my support for tim sherwood.the Dim Tim brigade dont like this.well tough sheit,my views wont change
ghulamville
Lol MAN ON if u do spot ghulam there please give a kick for me mate...
Mix26
lol go ***** in the wind mate! u are here as a troll and nothing more! I hope u enjoyed the ride. Off to your lonely site now...
Mix26
Completely off topic my fellow spurs fans please don't get the hump but does anyone on here do pole or match fishing cheers all COYS! !!!!!!!!!!!
jc spurs
Posted from another thread.....It is worth noting.. regarding club owners... Lewis has some 3.5b Abramovitch 9b.. City owners more than the Russian..Man Utd arsenal Liverpool all have more income... ENIC made 20m approx. from CL 1/4 final run, spent that on training ground. Lewis input 50m last year to help transfers / working capital, and will input about 146m towards stadium. While i do agree that ENIC has to provide funds for players... we have to realise that the cost of a 20m player is actually some 50% more in wages, bonuses, commissions etc. over 2 years... So we will have to hope Levy gets his manager appt. right this time, as trial and error been going on too long now, so he has to give time of 2 years min. while new stadium is built. With no interfering on football maters.. unless we are in bottom half (position 11 to 17) of table consistently... As to ENIC out campaign, I think they will go year after when new stadium built..So another 4 years or so...Unless a substantial offer is made from a buyer...Also i really hope we get Levy to make the right decisions regarding manager and players...
Block D Spurs
To be fair, regardless of loyalty, ghulamville has posted on here for years and has, IMO, offered decent insight. I do not agree with him on AVB and do not agree with him on Sherwood (get in line) and no doubt do not agree with him on Ramos and Harry. Everyone liked Jol, so probably we agreed there. The fact is there are lots of closet Spurs fans who back liverpool and Arsenal. He is not, however, a troll. A misguided, closet Spurs fan he is though. COYS
peterballb
Mix26-i aint going anywhere,if you feel so offended with my presence here why dont you do the honourable thing and quit the site,and by that i mean QUIT and not come back with another username like a coward
ghulamville
thank you peterbalb-gentleman as ever
ghulamville
hahahahahahahahaha that's just priceless! Really I love the oscar award speech! I've been a member on VS for 8 years with the same login name. I've put my views out on several occasions regarding trolls like you. There have been many others just the same as yourself who get booted off, it just takes time to weed them out. Enjoy ur last few moments on VS ;-)
Mix26
Block D Spurs; did they cite a source? The reason I am asking is that I have not seen anywhere (other than fans having a go) that suggest that the CL monies went anywhere other than to the team.. My understanding is that the Training Facility was self-funde, as the stadium will be. It is worth noting, if memory serves, that salaries went from 60 odd million GBP (the year we qualified) to 90 odd million (the year we played in the CL). As I recall it, playing side and training facility were from two entirely different ENIC pots. Just saying. COYS
peterballb
peter thanks for the insight. Never one to miss a stat. Whilst it's a sad reality that one needs to pretend to be a supporter of a club, he could have easily just said he was a liverfool fan. Why hide? What's the hidden agenda?
Mix26
ghulam, don't be bullied out, stay and stand your ground, it's not any other users call to ban people from this site.
PJcoys-1882
hahaha, ghula you have been caught with your pants down mate,, you are not a chelsea, arsenal or wet spam fan so i don't hate you,, and i always thought your sherwood comments were sarcastic or going against the grain, now we know you have a different agenda tim sherwood bullshi1 might be a bit harder to get away with.
T.H.F.Chris
slim chance Yiddy, he wants CL first and there will be at least 3-4 CL clubs wanting him, Barca, if they can and City are the obvious two, i doubt he would turn either down even if De Boer employed Verts mum as his assistant, we can only hope he stays and if he does plays much better than he has of late.
PJcoys-1882
Hahahah Pj the enforcer is here to stamp his authority once again... Who made u captain courageous?
Mix26
THFChris-not at all.i have always been spurs and i have not registered on vital liverpool knowingly.i am very secure about this hence me not wanting to change this.i dont mind the banter at all,i am quite thick skinned.on tim sherwood,everything i have posted on him i 100% stick by.
ghulamville
PJcoys the man of reason
ghulamville
i just dont understand what i have said about tim sherwood that has outraged so many.i have always tried to back my claims up
ghulamville
Mix26, you know fully well that I respect every poster on here. Fact is, this is one of, if not the best, Vital sites out there. I do not go on other team's sites to post comments unless they are germane and I never do so in an insulting manner and I do not do it to rile people up. When Vital Chelsea, and a few of the other Vital sites started banning members, I was proud that OxfordSpur did not go that direction People should be able to post where they wish, so long as it is done in a respectful fashion. The fact ghulamville like Tim Sherwood, is, IMO, grossly misguided. He, however, is not the only one on here with that opinion. Should I have been banned for supporting Ramos? For considering Harry an utter "hack" (still do, by the way)? If any poster is being disrespectul, then fine. I just think it's a really slippery slope. I try and ignore most of the crap that goes on here. Fact is, there have been more distasteful things said to Spurs fans by other Spurs fans, so I am not going to get my knickers in a knot over a Liverpool fan who posts his/her opinions on this site.

Will I be happy for any Liverpool fan if Liverpool win the title? Absolutely not. They have done a grand job of mismanaging a financially superior club for a decade allowing us to walk on up the table. Finishing second does not alter that. Finishing first may because they had a huge international following that have, in part, moved on to other interests. That was in our best interests. They finish first and some of that momentum comes back. As a double whammy, City, Chelsea, ManU will all spend like drunken sailers in Tortuga. So will Liverpool and Arsenal. Everton really can't. So, to me, this just puts another team higher up in the reckoning. Firing AVB while we were still in the cups was a mistake. Choosing a player over a manager was a mistake. Expecting CL in a season with all of the injuries, 7 new faces and 2 back from loans was unreasonable. Next season was the year. Now we have FD that up. There will be turmoil. Do not b surprised if we do not get a manager until after the WC is over. Do not e surprised if there are a hefty percentage of players wanting out. Do not be surprised if we cannot buy any players if we are not in Europa (will only need 17 Senior players). This could be a very bumpy ride. Ghulamville is the least of our worries. COYS
peterballb
and by the way almost every pundit is coming out in support of tim sherwood staying.are they all on a wind-up?watch the start of BTs coverage,mcmanaman,ginola,david james all 3 were unanimous in tim getting a season.
ghulamville
peter - who do you (realistically) want to see as the next Tottenham manager?
MrSpurs
Ancelotti would be my choice, but is never going to happen. My guess is that if FDB turns us down it will be Pochettino.
ItalianYiddo
I can't believe that grown men, in 2014, get so riled about people that support other teams anyway. Even more childish if you class every single fan of another club as the exact same thing. Banter is one thing, blanket hatred is another. I have family and friends that support several other clubs. Each and every one of them is a football supporter, Full stop. The insults thrown around at TS, that he is ignorant, chavvy, thick, loutish and clueless, blah blah, is being spouted by posters who are basically describing themselves. Grow the F up! I've finished with this site. Over and out! Nothing but spite all over it. Take a look a yourselves. Bitching like a bunch of bully girls in the playground. Nasty!
MAN ON!
Ox- are you sure his contract is up this summer?...I thought there was a year option which we would take up rather than let him go on a free.....
shedboy2
Man on, loutish I don't agree with, the rest... well..... he hasn't exactly helped himself has he?
ItalianYiddo
IY- looked like loutish behavior on the touchline against benfica...as you say he hasn't helped himself....
shedboy2
He can't help himself. Leave 'im alone...
jerkinmahjurgen
Tim Sherwood has gone anyway. Spurs fans can begin to sharpen the knives for the next manager instead.
MrSpurs
As for Kaboul, it all hinges on whether he's made a full medical recovery. If he has, keep. If not, we have to let him go. Football- wise he's found it hard to get back into it but he's not rejoining a coherent side so I'll reserve judgement on that. We have so many players we could or would change... but another massive overhaul will probably be detrimental again, so we have to think about keeping the better of the unfancied bunch to avoid major upheaval. Kaboul is in the 'keep if you can' category for me. If fit.
jerkinmahjurgen
Ghulamville-What's the deal with you and vital liverpool?? I have seen you post here way way back......
SilwalYid
The odds were always stacked up against Sherwood because rocket science it isn't but I bet there a lot more rocket scientists than top football coaches and they get paid a lot more. That initial quote is the essence of the man, had he conducted himself with the level of humility that his qualifications warranted a lot more fans would have been more supportive for his shortcomings.
ItalianYiddo
Kaboul has lost the couple of yards of pace that once made him a better defender than he is now. He is now no more than average and unfortunately his injuries have caught up with him. Thank you but goodbye Younes. Good luck. Time for some younger, sharper and faster centre backs please. A bit of positional sense and the ability to read the game would help too.
SpuriousLife
If there are no major concerns over his long term fitness i would keep him. With Verts going, Chiriches still getting to grips with the PL and Dawson not good enough it is an area of concern.
ItalianYiddo
Kaboul isnt the same defender now.He's made mistakes in each and every game I've seen him play either in the form of back pass or unsuccessful dribbling.But he's still among the top3 defenders in our whole squad.Just shows how pathetic we're at defence...
SilwalYid
"Tim sherwood is the best," ghulamville.


The appropriate response to this assertion is the question: The best at what? He surely isn't the best manager our club could have. Of course, ghulamville, you're a registered 'poo supporter, so who knows what you have in mind with this assertion?

Falstaff the Fool
I'd go for Benitez. He'll get rid of the awful defence. Kaboul, Daws,Knaughton,Fryers?Not a prem player amongst them. I'd get shot of Ade too. Played like he had sandals on against the Spammers. Already on the beach,although to be fair, apart from Hugo and Harry,they all did. Harry was the only one trying and gets taken off. If Verts wants to go, let him. Believed all the hype from last year and has been awful all season when he hasn't been injured. Also has a tendancy to play act which you certainly dont want from a centre back. Our midfield, with a half decent coach would be utilised better, and feel Bobby Soldier will come good. Spend all our dosh on defenders and we may be ok. Finally, if Hugo is too traumatised by his lack of protection and wants out, flog him to PSG for a stupid fee and buy Krull. Job done.
wellsey58
Two interlocking thoughts re: Kaboul. The man has been exhibiting two weaknesses to his game since returning. One, he hasn't much pace left, and he once was a fairly pacey player. Two, he hasn't much positional sense left, and he once had a fairly decent sense of where he needed to be on the pitch. Why are these interlocking issues? I think that his positional problems stem from attempts to make up for the loss of pace. He's trying to position himself differently from the way he used to in order to make up for the lack of pace. Can he overcome these problems? The gods may know, be we mortals cannot.
Falstaff the Fool
MrSpurs, that's a tough one, given the "realistically". Let's assume, for a moment, that more or less, the squad remains as it is and we are in Europe. Then, we need someone to manage this group of players with an expectation of Europe at a minimum by table position (top 5) and be in the thick of it for CL. The only guy that I am convinced who could get this team playing to potential is Mancini. He is respected, hated and he knows his stuff. Firce as a player and he showed how much he can learn while managing City. Won't make Adebayor happy, but then, to me, he is only committed to himself. Since eing thrown back in to the mix, unfit and undeserving, I have seen a squad with a huge potential to be a great team turn on a dime and become a collection of disinterested individuals. There is not a person here willing to go through a wall for Sherwood or for their team mates. The talent in this squad (not starting XI) is top three, IMO. Can't blame just Tim or Adebayor (ultimately it is all on ENIC) but there is a clear lack of respect within this squad for "the team" and for "the coach". That to me is plain as day. Can he be obtained? Would he come with ENIC at the helm? I don't know. To me, it's a better oppotunity than Galasaray, but there is no CL, and it will require a huge amount of work and fortune to get us there. As ItalianYiddo suggests as well, Ancelotti is an appropriate choice.

My best guess is that neither would come. So, what is likely? If we don't have Europa, this squad will be a disaster to manage. 30 plus Senior players for one game a week. Good FN luck. Our best players, Lloris, Eriksen, Adebayor, Capoue, Sandro, Vertonghen, Paulinho will all want out. We can sell them all, but would still have to sell 4 or 5 more players before we can even look to fill obvious holes. This could go from the best talent I have seen at Spurs to a disaster in 6 months of mismanagement. Unfathomable, even for ENIC. There was no plan and the decision to hand the reins to Sherwood has completely polarised everyone. There is no common ground, there is no common goal and darned if I know what the plan is.

So, what at a minimum, do we need? Someone who has shown they can manage a big squad in four different competitions and have success. There aren't many out there who could be made available with the right offer. Here would be my top candidates (no idea if they'd come but we need someone to come in and steady this listing ship). 1. Mancini (age, record, respect all favour him) 2. Frank Rijkaard (my personal favourite) - solid footballer and manager. Plays fundamental football with a flair and has the pedigree and experience to manage this team, if left alone to do his job. 3. Ancelotti (can only see it for a couple of years) 4. Hodgson (yes, I said it - continental experience and is able to balnce the needs of the many for the good of the team) 5. Benitez (if he'd leave and only to right the ship while taking a shot at some cups - basically until a realistic choice becomes obvious) 6. FDB (LVG is not the choice for us - FDB would have a proven coaching staff but a huge risk as I see it - can he manage right away in the PL, it's a big step up and what has he won outside of Holland as a manager) 7. Yakin (he's proven he can do more with less in Europe and plays a style that gets the best out of his players. He is also not a glory hound. 8. Martinez - good manager but can he do it in the cups and in four competitions. I guess next year we'll see but he will be handicapped by resources. 9. Moyes - a tough one. Available. No comp. Like Martinez has never won anything and has never effectively managed a large squad. Unlike at United, other than Adebayor, the players here do not have the pull but, he would, IMO, be the wrong choice at this time 10. Pearson - has done a great job twice with Leicester and was unfortunate at Hull.

If I had to choose right now, and they all said yes, my choice would be Rijkaard. COYS
peterballb
Peterb... It was Daniel Levy who mentioned it.. however I will check with my ITK who can speak directly to Levy & Joe Lewis, social occasions. If was 2 different pots of money where did they come from... Joe Lewis...is the source IMO Daniel Levy distributes the funding / revenue and balances the books...
Block D Spurs
Block D Spurs, my understanding (and I thought I saw it in press releases by the club) they were two distinct pools of money. I thought there was a land sale and development that was funding it all. I did not even think it was fully paid for and was still subject to financing much like the plans for the new stadium. COYS
peterballb
peterballb-just curious why you keep mentioning mancini?
ghulamville
ghulamville Supports Tim Sherwood because he knows that with Tim Sherwood in charge they will always be way behind Liverpool.

If you was a fan of any other EPL club you would want & hope that Tim Sherwood gets another season.With Tim in charge it can only end one way,& that way is good for anyone who wants Spurs to fail & not compete.

Honestly if i was a Liverpool,City,United,Arsenal,Chelsea,Everton or even a fan of most clubs i would love it if Tim stayed as Spurs manager.But if Spurs got Benitez or Cappello i would be worried.
Everybody in football can see Spurs are better than what they are showing,even Allardyce can mastermind 3 wins over us in one season,says it all.

Benitez or Cappello for me,Ancelloti is the man but doing too well at Madrid now,so the other 2 i`d be pleased with.
NO to Frank de Boer for me,his record in Europe against some teams i`ve never even heard of is terrible.
Fanny adams
remember he was at moneybags man city,we wont be able to match that
ghulamville
Peterb, Levy said in one of his interviews.. training ground 20m.. now worth 30m after all the rave reviews from pro. players past and present. Also a re-valuation of GDV (gross development value) as in any new build project.
Block D Spurs
fanny-we aint big enough to attract the top notch manager,and whilst that remains the case tim sherwood is better than the others mentioned.was brendan rodgers a big name manager at my beloved liverpool,NO.sherwood can be our very own rodgers
ghulamville
He is a respected strong-handed manager who will just do his thing regardless of what management, the fans and the players think. He is fundamentally sound, both as a player and as a manager, and expects to win. It's what we need. The fans, the players and ENIC have all become too complacent, believing that they have a right to success. It takes work and an uncompromising vision. Can he get along with Levy? Would he even come? Who knows, but he is the sort of person we need at this time. He is not a pretender. He is a contender. There is no player on his team that is bigger than the team. It's what we need and he has success in the PL. By far the best candidate. I would still prefer Rijkaard because he could be a long-term appointment. Mancini will be 3-5 years, at most. COYS
peterballb
Doesn't Kaboul have another year left on his contract?bif he's a free agent I love him down at our place, class player who's been cursed by injuries. Ghulamville you always played it as a spud, why????
Galway Gooner
galway-me registering as a pool is an even bigger smokescreen.i am actually a gooner.haha
ghulamville
ghulamville Yes we are,Ramos cost top dollar it just din`t pan out,but his CV was brilliant & i was excited when he came to Spurs & excited when he won the Carling Cup.Proof is in the pudding

Don`t give up just try again.

If we paid Cappello 10 million a season & he got us champions league,his contract would pay for itself.We`ve given more than that in compensation
Fanny adams
Ramos i still maintain was not a big name,yes he is biggish but never got sevilla to a chamions league berth
ghulamville
peterballb Don`t agree with you one bit about Mankini.
IMO Mankini would be a disaster for Spurs as he can`t spend money,we`ve been there already & the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over & over again & expecting different results,Spurs do this continuously.

I don`t agree with you but it doesn`t mean i don`t respect your choice.We need a failsafe,well as safe as can be,you won`t have that with mankini.
But benitez & Cappello at club level have a CV envied by so many & unlike Ramos EPL proven.
Mankini was EPL proven but had to spend money like it was going out of fashion & he still struggled at times,the luxury Mankini had at City he will not have at Spurs,he`s not shrewd enough & rightfully sacked.
Pellegrini is much better than mankini IMO
Fanny adams
Fanny I dont think I would take Mancini, I tink you are right he had a fortune to waste and Man City and tried his hardest to waste it, I would take Benitez over him as he has strong evidence of success where we need it. Not sure on Capello. Maybe I would look at Mancini if we were left with a choice between De Boar and what's his name at Soton, I would still test Martinez out first and see how he feels about leaving Everton. The other name who should be considered is Laudrup and if all else fails Hoddle, still talks so much sense anytime I see him on the box. and the final name if Real lose both la liga and the champiuons league final Ancelotti....
PJcoys-1882
Peter would you sign Suarez tomorrow if you could? where do you stand on this one?
PJcoys-1882
Fanny Adams, we just spent over 100M on players. It's not that you spend, it's how you spend. He did not break the bank at Inter. I'd suggest that his early purchases at City, Kolarov, Toure, Silva have proven to be wise investments and worth every penny. City still spend money with reckless abandon and will do so again next year. Does not make Pellegrini poor with money, just reflects on the budget of the team. Mancini buys players who can play and has succeeded with, and without spending. I don't agree that he could not succeed at Spurs and expect he'd be far better than Benitez or Capello (who is not available for 5 more years). COYS
peterballb
PJcoys-1882 Hoddle tried & failed at Spurs,he bought badly.
He talks the talk but can`t walk the walk.Pundits criticise after the event,managers don`t have that luxury.
if Hoddle was a manager & a pundit he`d spend most of his time criticising himself.Shearer is not bad either but sent newcastle down losing 7 or 8 games in a row,being a pundit is easy.

Suarez is the best EPL player & i`d have him anyday,superb
Fanny adams
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/spurs/news/adebayor-wants-sherwood-stay_153575.html
ghulamville
Fanny yes hear what you say ref Hoddle and he has been away for a long time, such a long way back cant remember this list of people he bought. I think Peter does make a strong case for Mancini, I am not sure if he would be better than Benitez, but if he bought all those players he invested well. We just about wasted 90 or more of the 107 million last summer aas it stands now, some of that 90 might turn out ok next season but i doubt half of it will. would you sign Suarez Peter?
PJcoys-1882
on the article, if the medical team clear him fully i would really like to get a decent full season out of him, i think fit for a period of time there are not many better CBs in the prem
PJcoys-1882
At the present time, no, I would not sign Suarez. He will never be worth more (at least worth what RM paid fo Bale). He is already on a salary that is double what we can afford. We should have signed him when I oriinally said we should have signed him. 15-2oM when we were buying Keane, Defoe and Crouch. Could have also had Dzeko (12-15M) and Falcao (10-12M) at the same time for the same or less than we spent on players that would contribute little when one considers what we paid for them. So, roundabout way, I'd have signed him when I said so, but know we cannot do so now.

Benitez teams always perform well for a couple of seasons and then decline. His message gets lost. If we are to go short-term, he is the man (may get us some cups and may even manage top 4). If we are looking for 5 years mancini is the guy. If we are looking to 5 plus seasons, I suggest Rijkaard. COYS
peterballb
PJcoys-1882 Hoddle has spent most of his time running a business that gives unused talent that didn`t make it a chance.
If his business is so succesful then why is he a pundit?

Hoddles best signings were (not really)RikketsAcimovic,Bunjey jump & 8 million on the late Dean Richards RIP
Fanny adams
Hoddle is not on mylist for good reason. He has been out of it for too long. As an assistant to a person like Benitez? Why not. He is a smart guy and just needs to get his feet back in to it.

The money issue is a bit of a red herring. With our transfer profit plus the 30M of TV money we did not spend, we should have at least 35M in the bank. Add to that next year's 30M and the monies for Vertonghen and any other players that will leave irrespective, and we could well have 100M plus to spend on players without getting close to offending any FFPR. There is mney to spend, it just needs to be done wisely. COYS
peterballb
peterballb-mancini is on absolute shedloads and tax-free at that,gauranteed champions league year in year out,this will be one hell of a sell to him.on the other hand rafael benitez is strongly rumoured to want to come back,but will daniel levy want him
ghulamville
yes peter unlike last year when it was not spent wisely, personally i would not have Baldini in the mix to spend again
PJcoys-1882
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2620572/Andrija-Balic-wanted-Tottenham-Franco-Baldini-negotiates-Hajduk-Split-highly-rated-young-midfielder.html?ico=sport%5Eheadlines
ghulamville
Franco baldini is not going anywhere it seems
ghulamville
PJcoys-1882 I don`t agree it was spent unwisely by baldini.You justneed a manager to get the best out of them.

Example of Sherwoods madness....

Sandro is not good enough for this team....yet Siggy was?
Fanny adams
when you say "when you originally said", did you pass on your thoughts to the club? you do sound like a guru of sorts, baldini has proven himself to waste money first time round, you do sound as if you know more than him, quite seriously can you put your list in writing to the club in advance of this window? publish it on here also and we can then compare you vision with that of the club 12 months down the line
PJcoys-1882
But i 100% agree with peterballb with Benitez Number one & Hoddle number 2.
(Not a toilet thing by the way) :)
Fanny adams
fanny i doubt 2-3 of that 7 will ever make it in the prem and i think 2 quite simply don't want to be playing for either us or in the prem, i cant agree with you on this one, having said that i would prefer you to be correct over me here.
PJcoys-1882
fanny ps, i do agree it could have been better than it was if we had a better manager than the two we have had this season, i still feel our problems started with the window buying the wrong type of players and the wrong playerss
PJcoys-1882
In fairness this situation shouldn't come as a sudden surprise at all, it has been coming for some time. Kaboul, good player, but not if he can't play, and his fitness has been an issue for 2 seasons at least, Dawson has not really been a "top 4" defender in terms of class and quality in living memory. Vertonghen was a revelation in his first season, not only defensively, but he chipped in with a few goals as well. I agree he looks a shadow of that player, and not looking happy to be here, the question is WHY? Could it be he is unhappy with the way he has been managed, the system he is playing in, or the lack of one, is unhappy with the carnage around him. Somebody should be getting to the bottom of it, it's called man management. Rose is struggling defensively and needs sorting out, perhaps some help from a DMFer or left sided MFer like Lennon helps on the right, would help. Fryers needs persevering with for the future, Walker, as much as he gets stick on here, is an England right back, probably among the quickest 4/5 players in the PL, is an adequate defender ( would benefit from some coaching, do we have a defensive coach), he is only a youngster, and he gives us some support up front. Naughton is, I believe, at best a mid to lower PL player, not a top 4/5 performer. Chiriches I think will come on to be an adequate, if not super star, CB. We have concentrated in recent windows with signing a legion of MFers, with the exception of Vertonghen and Chiriches, and consequently we are left with 1 great keeper (if he stays), with no back up, no quality LB, a decent RB in Walker, with little back up, a potential CB crisis, as, if we fail to convince Vertonghen to stay (much depends on who is manager next season), and we quite rightly get shot of Kaboul, we are left with an aging deteriorating Dawson, and a just adequate Chiriches. We are also likely to be thin on the ground for DMFers as Sherwood has probably sickened off both Sandro and Capoue, and it looks nailed on Paulinho leaving. I am afraid the much vaunted "excellent squad" of ours is likely to look rather thread bare come July time, as the exodus starts. The key to all of this is the identity of the next manager, and his early appointment, as one of the most important aspects of the job is man management and motivation, and commanding and holding the respect of the players, convincing them to believe in what you are doing, and hopefully convincing players to stay and buy in, the very aspects of the job at which Mr. Sherwood has failed abysmally. Of course he is not to blame for recent transfer strategy, or lack of it, that is down to a combination of Levy, Baldini (how as he kept his job), and possibly AVB.
Frank
The suggestions were all made on Vital Spurs before we spent on those other three, as were such other flops as Kroos, Sandro and many more. Time will tell if players like Castaignos, Lukaku, Arnautovic, Howedes, Umtiti pan out, but the suggestions have been made. I'll stand by what I have seen in U-19 and U-21 competitions. I don't normally look at players over 23 because I understand the economics that surround Spurs. We just can't buy top 4 calibre players in their prime, nor can we hold on to them.

As for Baldini, I disagree. All 7 have a significant contribution that they can make in a squad of 25 player in four competitions. As do the others that were signed the previous season. Not every player in a squad of 25 can be labelled as a sure selection of the best XI, but they can all be the best player in this match for that opposition. That presumes one has a coach who understands that. COYS
peterballb
peter but they didn't, don't know if you have been watching this season, are you still in the if we wait long enough they will all come good? if you I would sack you along with Baldini, call me hard if you like but I want ROI first season from anyone who costs more than 3 million and esp anyone over 21.
PJcoys-1882
Therein lies a significant difference in you and I and is why I was happy to accept that AVB's plan was going to take years to come to fruition before it looked a thing of beauty on the pitch. This year should never have been about the CL especially when we did not have Ade, Kaboul, Sandro, Lennon and Rose. It is far too much to expect young players, who speak other languages, coming from other countries and leagues to just step in to the PL without being introduced slowly. Last season I questioned AVB not starting Lloris immediately. I believe, he was correct and I did not see the bigger picture - time to acclimatize and time for the old player (Friedel) to understand that the spot was no longer his. He was right, I was wrong. In doing so, he may have cost us points, but he was building a team. Paulinho, Townsend, Soldado, Capoue, even Chadli and Eriksen, were all thrown in too deep too soon. As we now see Bentaleb was. Those who have no experience managing big squads in four competitions with perennial turnover due to economics don't understand it. We have seen this play out under Jol, then Ramos, then Harry, then AVB and now Sherwood. Those who get it aren't getting the requred time and those who don't get it wind up losing sight of the big picture for the here and now. This is why we need an experienced manager with the confidence to do what he knows is right irrespective of the grumblings of management, fans and players. Regardless of who that may be, it will cost a pretty penny. You are paying for attributes that not many have. COYS
peterballb
We spent 17M on Paulinho, 26M on Soldado, and a fee that will finally hit 30M on Lamela, all 3 in turn breaking the club transfer record. For that sort of money, I don't know about anybody else, but I expect match winners, game changers, players that can take a game by the scruff of the neck, can intimidate the opposition. There are players who have come in at other clubs, for far less than them, that can do that. Paulinho after a decent start, is now hardly fit to wear the shirt, why? Soldado has been frankly poor, he has a few deft touches, but you measure a striker by goals scored, and he just doesn't. Lamela, well what can one say, a few shortened appearances, making no impression, then gets afflicted with a mystery, long term back injury, even without playing, and disappears for months, he is frankly a monumental waste of money. The mystery is, the DOF who presumably master minded these signings, after all that what you pay DOFs to do, is still in post, having allegedly had his resignation request turned down. You couldn't make it up. We have wasted 70M and no head has rolled apart from AVB, and he alleges the signings were not those he wanted. In fairness they weren't those that we on VS wanted either, many of us calling for the signing of both Bony (24 goals in all comps) and Benteke (unfortunately got injured and missed lots of games).
Frank
What ROI did you expect? First off, none have been first choice all season so none have ha an uninterrupted run in the side. Bale, last season, managed 21 goals and 4 assists in his first season (I say only second half) as a superstar player. We old him for 86M GBP and, with that same money, plus or minus, bought Paulinho, Eriksen, Soldado, Chadli, Chiriches and Capoue. They totalled 21 goals and 19 assists, with none having played a full season and all having been rushed in to service. They can all do better and if they ar all here next season, I'd suspect that they will all improve upon those stats, so long as they are played. So, I'd say, ROI, we did, ok. Nothing to write home about because so much more was expected. I would not sell a single player we purchased over the past 4 windows unless I had no choice. The upside is huge. Even scarier when the most talented of them all is not even included in those I listed. Patience will be rewarded. Let these guys go and there will be KPB's all over Europe. COYS
peterballb
Frank, AVB reputedly wanted Moutinho, Willian, Leandro and Villa. We were in it for all but lost out because we wouldn't go the extra step lat season and this season. Those are the players he wanted. I don't agree that the players were a waste of money. Yes, Soldado and Lamela have a long way to go. Eriksen's value has increased as has Paulinho's. Capoue is a wanted man too. Chadli and Chiriches are probably still worth about what we paid for them, so it's hardly all bad news. Again, I would not sell any of the players acquired these past two seasons and I would certainly expect them to all be important cogs in the wheel this coming season. COYS
peterballb
Hey guys. Just made an account, well i had one well over a year ago but only posted a couple of times (mainly about how Mr Redknapp was killing us, with rotation/buying knackered players) Anyway! I always check up and read here, but finally decided to sign up again after i changed email. I'm not sure on Kaboul, i remember us thinking at the beginning of the season with Kaboul/Verts being a great lineup and now with Verts wanting out in his attitude and Kaboul with injuries. It seems such a mess, i watched a few games with Sherwood in charge, but just can't do it anymore. I'm sure he's trying to destroy what little we have left good in our squad. It's turned into a complete mess, along with signings that haven't played or performed. I'm not too sure who we should go for, if De Boer is wanting Barca or whomever. Southamptons manager, again not sure on. Yes he's done well, but mainly with the squad he took when he signed. Not only are we looking at possibly a whole new back line, but major surgery to mid (please keep Sandro) having to accet Lloris probably wants out aswell. Soldado, if a good offer came in, i'm not sure - otherwise keep him and try to get the best out of him. We need to install something to the players, removing loudmouth Sherwood and getting someone in, but who?
onewordleft
Peter if its far to much to expect don't buy them, I don't agree all of those players were thrown in too soon, you don't spend 17 and 26 and wait for it to flourish, if they cant cut it straight away at that money simply you bought the wrong players, let alone 30 for Lamela, it was a farce back then, so obviously so and we have all seen the results, the only people who defend it now are those that bigged it up back then and now to protect the perception that they know more than clearly they do. It's been crap, it failed us this season, staring into a crystal ball hoping it will come good next season is weak. FRANK.....sorry just read the start of your post as i finish typing this, I agree with you 100% no 200%
PJcoys-1882
Peter we bought 7 i would expect over a season more than 1 not to be a donkey you might think its gone as expected I dont and neither will anyone involved in sanctioning a 107 million punt, might as well left 96 of it in the bank.
PJcoys-1882
peter for a club that had a record fee of just over 15 million, you think its ok to justify things ( the utter crap from most of the 7 all season) by saying a 17 million 26 million and 30 million punt have not been first choice all season? at that money they need to be stick on first choice in their positions or don't smash a transfer record
PJcoys-1882
Pullis vs Rodgers. Lets see.
Arky
Arky this one game cant be used to value each on their contribution or achievement this season
PJcoys-1882
Fair comment PJ, but we can see how they react tactically in the match. Will Pullis be able to outfox Rodgers ? That is what I'd like to see here, today.
Arky
We bought VDV, Ade, Soldado, and Paulinho - all top players in their prime. Lloris and Verts weren't do far behind, either, if at all. Spurs have more sex appeal than you allege, Peter. I think our managers have been more at fault with their use of the squad, than Baldini was getting them here. Maybe we signed a midfielder too many, and the jury is really still our of Bobby and Lamela, but I still believe we signed good players. I'd sooner some of our longer-serving players made way over our newbies. But it may be that the best players will want out, and they're the one's that've been recruited over the last 2/2.5 yrs.
jerkinmahjurgen
Pulis seems highly underrated. Possibly our 2nd best choice behind Rafa. He's got them playing really well. Poyet is impressing me, also. All them results against the top sides! That's no fluke with that squad. Bloody amazing.
jerkinmahjurgen
Mourinho's been sacked.
jerkinmahjurgen
get him in then jerk
PJcoys-1882
lol. I think Palace have been a little unlucky. Deflected 2nd goal. I thought Liverpool would win this one, though. I like that Bolasie. Straight swap for Siggy?
jerkinmahjurgen
jerkinhahjurgen, when did I suggest we didn't have sex appeal? I will merely say that clubs offering double the wages offer more muscle. We don't pay enough. I never said the players brought in were not good either. I have said I would stick by them an those bought the previous year. As for those you mention, Paulinho is not yet in his prime. VDV was last second because RM wanted him gone and we were the best offer on the table. Soldado, again, best offer he had. Neither Verts nor Lloris were "world class" but, are now, and will likely leave for the "sexier" payday. Just fact. Keep Tim. Have someone offer Ade 120k/week for 3 years ad watch how the loyalty train leaves the station. Money is where it's at. Bale is on more than Suarez plus endorsements etc. We cannot match it for a player just comingin to his prime. Whether people like it or not, the allure came from AVB. They all came to play for him. Just like when Harry left, VDV was gone, so too will be any of those that can. Some will wait and see who the new gaffer is, but if it is Sherwood, Pulis, Moyes or like, kiss them all good bye. COYS
peterballb
oh.... liverpool rolling over...
T.H.F.Chris
Game on!
Durbanspur
Bolasie! Possibly the nearest next best thing to Gareth Bale. You heard it here first ;)
jerkinmahjurgen
tell you one thing, everyone at sky sports are praying palace don't score a third.....
T.H.F.Chris
ok jerk you can have that one mate ;)
T.H.F.Chris
Phil. why focus on the investment? Lamela did not ask that it be paid for him. No more than Bentley, the previous owner of the ubious record. The players must be played and played to their strengths. It's the coaches job to do that. From what I heard and read, Lamela came in with the big price tag. He did not speak English. Was a kid. Did not settle. Was not working hard and thus did not earn the time on the pitch. Townsend was shooting ball after ball in to row Z. How much of a gamble for AVB would it have been to play him? Zero. He didn't play im because he han't earned it. Others had and AVB had choices. Anyone who watched him last season for Roma knows what is in there. It is up to the coaching staff to get that out. As for the "crap" you refer to, I'll take them over Hudd, Parker, Livemore, Gallas, Defoe any day of the week. It's a team game, not individual. They'll befine if they are properly brought along. Far too early to pull up tent pegs on these ones. COYS
peterballb
Well,well, well...3-3
Durbanspur
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! hahaha
T.H.F.Chris
What an astonishing collapse by Liverpool in the last nine minutes! Wow! Whew!
Falstaff the Fool
We certainly have to scrap around for our wc signings, Peter. Hierarchy is clear to see. It's always gonna be the time we're the best offer that we get them. Pulis gets my respect for what he's doing with this squad. There you go. 3-3. I want Pool to win this though so I can imagine Chelsea's face getting rubbed in it. Jose first.
jerkinmahjurgen
thank you and good night liverpool, buckled, shocking losing a 3 goal lead, simply defense not good enough, rodgers one season wonder.
123spurs
Can't be the manager's fault hey!
Durbanspur
pulis 4 spurs
123spurs
spurs defense wouldnt even do this PMSL
123spurs
Brilliant Palace, is that as good as Liverpool coming back from 3 down in Instanbul to win the CL Tim? Or does our performance at West Brom shade it?
ItalianYiddo
if johnson is not on a booking you have got to ask why he didn't take Bolaise out before the second, palace had just scored slow the game down and you've won,,, can't even say he is not experienced.
T.H.F.Chris
Where's Ghulam when you need him?
Durbanspur
ghulam, ghulam, ghulam !!!
T.H.F.Chris
IY it all comes back to TS, no matter what, TS took over mid season, how would u like if u took a job on an ur wrokers werent the ones u liked and wanted, surely it would take time for them to adapt ur role an plans. great for TS to keep us in europe.
123spurs
What a horrible few minutes if you support Liverpoo. This will haunt them for a long time. Idiot Gerrard pushing the camera away. A world of good for Suarez to be showing some real emotion rather than biting someone and Gerrard tries to push the camera away.
Falstaff the Fool
laughting now at SG pep talk after beating city,
123spurs
Gutted? ghulam, indeed. This is one of the most gutting collapses in sports, not just football. Glad I took the afternoon off the watch this one.
Falstaff the Fool
It was a bit naive of them to go for goal diff when 3-0 up.
Durbanspur
Fool exactly what i was thinking mate, it's like do you know it's suarez Stevie, he hasn't exactly earnt any respect....
T.H.F.Chris
I do love the fantasy land so many of our supporters inhabit. "Does this uncertainty actually save the careers of players such as Dawson, for the short term at least?". The reality is right now we need Dawson more than he needs us, defensively we are in trouble.
jod
Ghulam must be celebrating that one... Choke...
Mix26
That's obviously cost Suarez some bonus payment.
jerkinmahjurgen
even palace have sussed if you buy pace you can teach it to play better but if you buy a load on one paced donkeys like we have there's no way to go with it
PJcoys-1882
If anyone cares to read my posts I said weeks back that Liverpool will not win the league because they have the weakest defence out of the three challengers. That's why Sherwood will never maker it as a coach he doesn't grasp the fact that teams are always built from the back, foundations go down first.
ItalianYiddo
I like Suarez more after watching him after this loss than I ever did when he was the petulent Suarez. Maybe this did him more good than winning would have done. We always knew he could play the game, and the gods know he's good at that. But now we know he has some himan emotions with which we can identify. Now if he stops biting people we could develop a real positive relation with the fellow.
Falstaff the Fool
Up by three so late in the match, so pride goeth before a fall, as saith the proverb.
Falstaff the Fool
One half of Manchester is happy, but football is a funny old game said Jimmy, what are the odds for City losing at home?
ItalianYiddo
this is a business peter you must focus on your investment and ensure you get a good return from it, much better that we have from this 107 million investment to date.
PJcoys-1882
We should run AVG2014 through the club. That usually speeds things up.
jerkinmahjurgen
At two nil down v Liverpool there was nothing Tim could do to help the team, the game was lost. so he stayed in the stands. Pulis rallied and rallied, as did the crowd at selhurst park, and returned a point from 3-0 down! That's motivation, passion, drive.
Dublin Hotspur
Suarez didn't play particularly well in truth. Misplaced many easy passing attempts to lay-off or for one-two's. Shooting was poor as well. Never mind, aye? Maybe another day...
jerkinmahjurgen
Now Brendan's got that on his cv. hehe. The truth is 'pool didn't change their approach, which would come from the manager. Is he even actually capable of playing defensively? We're yet to see. It'll be interesting to see how he juggles it all next season.
jerkinmahjurgen
for me yaya for the awards not suarez
123spurs
rookie mistake from BR, 3 up an blew it, how can you crumble with 10 minutes to go,
123spurs
Rodgers is a good coach, he will learn from this. Would love to have him at the Lane.
ItalianYiddo
*pulis rallied and players rallied*
Dublin Hotspur
TS is a good coach he will learn from this, remember BR this is TEAM, TS was manager another persons TEAM big difference
123spurs
Agree, toure for awards! Rodgers has no plan b!
Dublin Hotspur
123 are you seriously comparing Rodgers to Sherwood?
ItalianYiddo
DH, we were 3 down against west brom, so TS didnt rally hes team, same difference, some deluded fans on here, one sighted as always, TS nevergets any praise no matter what, sad bunch on here these days, yes he may have a few faults, but this is hes 1st manager job, give hima chance and a break
123spurs
123, Rodgers didn't sign most of that squad!
Dublin Hotspur
has TS blew a 3 goals lead with 10 min to go, you cant compare him to BR has been around for a few years now,
123spurs
Dublin, how on earth you find an angle from tonight's game C.Palace v Liverpool to have a pop at Sherwood is beyond me, you are limited and very sad. and now you criticise Rodgers, what have you ever achieved in football in your entire life?
PJcoys-1882
IY, teams are build from the back, fair point, but where would chelsea an man cit be without the 500 mil+ they spent over the years, money talks, look do u think aguero yaya kompany an others would be at city if they werent paid 200k+
123spurs
No pop at Tim lads, just saying what a great coaching and team performance it was by tony and his merry men!
Dublin Hotspur
123spurs you are forgetting that the 7 needed time to gel under AVB but sherwood is expected to perform a miracle with no gel, it's all about being bunch of thickos mate, don't join em.'
PJcoys-1882
123, money wins you titles no doubt, but it doesn't change the basics of the game. The reason Llorris is our player of the year IMO is because the whole team set up has been poor, he's being asked to save us too many times.
ItalianYiddo
At two nil down v Liverpool there was nothing Tim could do to help the team, the game was lost. so he stayed in the stands. Read more: http://www.spurs.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7516908#ixzz30sd0n6S3
PJcoys-1882
just to help with your memory Dublin
PJcoys-1882
agree PJ, if players aint interested for the get go, LEVY, shouold hold a meeting and tell this big name players and the ones we have,to get a grip, and WTF is going on, i dont mind losing but i want a fight, he should set a stand,players on high wages not willing to play ofr the fans and the club no matter who the manager is, or rot in the reserves, and ruin there career, im sick of the player power players sulking, these days,
123spurs
What ever happens Liverpool have been the team that has over achieved, that's what good coaches do, well done Brendan Rodgers.
ItalianYiddo
i agree but AVB and now TS has the same players its not working, if u have a bad tool the job wont be as good, AVB had a high line against liverpool with daws with no pace, school boy manager wouldnt even try that
123spurs
so IY if a rookie get us in to EL TS has def over achieved going by the comments on here
123spurs
Players were not bought for just one season and should not be judged on just one season. Small picture may win the game today. Big picture gets you to the title. COYS
peterballb
if BR is such a great coach, you can imagine what the comments on here would be of we drew 3-3 after been 3up TS would be slated, so why not BR
123spurs
123 not sure about the school boy, he is qualified and won a treble. If we get EL is not over achieving.
ItalianYiddo
very true peter as always its the manager head who gets it.
123spurs
very true peter as always its the manager head who gets it.
123spurs
peter these players stand no chance of getting us the title, they are not good enough collectively but should be much better after investing 107 million and breaking our transfer record 3 times, of course i know you buy players for a longer period than a year because they get longer contracts than a year, but you don't give the lazy bunch a year off in the first year do you., we might have well done for 4-5 of the 7...VERY BAD business and you must know it. we only needed 4 and a couple of then ideally with prem experience.
PJcoys-1882
123, Rodgers wouldn't be slated here because he has done a brilliant job. He was going for goal difference and backfired.
ItalianYiddo
so he is qualified, from a diff country, similer to scottish league,....and he plays a high line with a DEF in daws who has no pace, to me its no brainer, common sense dont so that, bt hey as u said hes qualified
123spurs
He was going for goal difference and backfired. but surely at 3-1 try an get another, but at 3-2 why not just take the 3 points, there was 10 min to go an let in 3 goals, no praise on here when we came back from 3 down, it was was how we went 3 down in the 1st place. you put a different spin on things when it suits you
123spurs
if AVBandTS were so bad, just remember, we are in top 4 for most away points, not bad with a roookie eh!?
123spurs
There is no chance of Sherwood getting slated on here if we squandered a 3 goal lead. Apart from the Sunderland game, have we had a 3 goal lead to squander. We have only scored 52 goals in 37 games, in spite of signing a 26M "striker", compared to Liverpool's 99 goals in 37, so the likelihood of us giving away a 3 goal lead is remote, and Sherwood is safe.
Frank
see frank ur putting a twist on things, why not put it we came back form 2 down to win 3-2 southamptom, or, u blame TS so much but why not the players, our away record is top 4, ith all this turmoil.
123spurs
line up for next season Manager - Klinsmann lloris xxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxxx xxxx xxxxx xxxxx Erikson xxxxx xxxxx Hope your at your desk tonight, Levy
Lou Brennan
Kaboul should be moved on. Dawson as back-up when others' injuries dictate. Lloris, Chiriches and Vertonghen should be the core of the defence. Ideally, Hugo Lloris as the obvious leader would be captain, but outfield that might have to be Vertonghen. That core of strong players should concentrate in each match, as much as does Lloris now, and spread their influence through the team. Walker and Rose can play yet need to be helped with their decision-making. Fryers and Naughton have improved, though with Cardiff's relegation Caulker's return to Spurs would be welcome.
Airwave
I am not putting a twist on anything 123spurs.The comment was made that Sherwood would get slated on here, if we surrendered a 3 goal lead. I merely pointed out that there has only been 1 game v Sunderland (H), in which we could have done so. I then illustrated the unlikelihood of us being able to do so, due to our dramatically inferior goals scored record, compared to Liverpool. Yes we have a good away record, but equally our home record is regrettable to say the least. If you aspire to be a good side, your own ground should become a fortress.
Frank
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Our **** of a manager said, after we were battered by Liverpoo, "we were 2 down by half time, the game was over, we don't have the ability to match the likes of Liverpoo"..

Forward a couple of months, crappy little Crystal Palace, with a rugby coach manager, are 3-0 down with a whole hour played, they end up drawing.

See how little our **** manager thinks of our players? What a ******** surrender monkey he is, the sooner he's gone, the better we'll be for it. Well done Mr Pulis, you well and truly shoved the clueless ****s words down his throat!!
coopsieyid
Nice to see you on here coopsie ... let it be more often!!!
Highgatespur
14 seasons of virtual total on the pitch failure at THFC and no new stadium, with the 3.5 billionaire, his Tory side kick billionaire, and Sugars apprentice running the THFC show, and you are all back on here trying to fix the glaring weaknesses in LOSER Levy's Fantasy Football squad! 15 seasons Levy has had to create a balanced squad and every time he comes close he sells key players that unbalance the entire set up again. And it's about to get much worse when the exodus begins in the summer as the ENIC Auction House opens in just a few days... (Levy loves the summer!) So enjoy guessing what further damage Sugars apprentice is about to do to the THFC playing squad as he funds his next round of fantasy football. You will have the whole summer to come on here to suggest ways of repairing the damage the total the CLOWN LOSER PRINCE is about to do... "Oh what fun it is to see ENIC sell away"...
Pele10
Several points missed here Ox. 1. Kaboom could go on a free so no fee, but a big money move for HIM only. 2. Our defence with these players had the best record in the league bar none for the first 12 games,1/3rd of the season. 3. We must have conceded less from corners this season than any I can remember esp when Daws has played. He has had a good season in that respect. Won more headers than anyone in our side. 4. I believe that if we replace 1 CB then Caulker would be available again, but a better manager would be able to discipline these guys to bod a good job. Better full backs or keeping them in position is the answer. Defending as a team has been our Achilles heal this season, not just the back 5.
CoysRus
According to these guys, Kaboul has another year on his contract: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/spieler/vertragsende/basics_GB1_2015.html
Velospurs
Terrible CB. So overrated it ain't funny. His constant high five in the other team during games is nothing short of pathetic. Get rid of this mercenary.
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