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Tim, Frank & Mauricio?

It seems like we could be down to the final three in who gets to manage Tottenham Hotspur next season. Frank De Boar, Mauricio Pochettino and perhaps Tim Sherwood seem to be the most likely options facing Daniel Levy this summer.

There has to remain a massive question mark against Tim Sherwood, even if that is simply down to the fans not taking to him. Start the season slowly and the pressure could become unbearable and that would surely transmit to the players and the prospect of two points in two games could so easily happen again.

That isn`t a slight on Sherwood and I still can`t believe the blinkered approach from some fans, who seem determined to see him as a failure. Sure there have been too many below par performances and result blips, but when we see the hand he has been delivered, should we be surprised?

Winning the Dutch league is no guarantee of being a huge success in the Premiership. Any manager of Ajax is expected to run that league close and is it fair to suggest that their historical rivals don`t currently have that strength and depth to compete that they once did.

On a positive, his teams still play with technique and intelligence and have done quite well in the Champions league, without really hitting the high spots, however I seem to recall Celtic beating Barca and I don`t hear many calls for Lennon to get the Spurs job.

Few had heard of Pochettino prior to his taking over at Southampton and on paper he had a pretty average record in terms of the precious win percentages, but did that show Southamptions vision in appointing the right typo of manager ads opposed to the biggest name? something we should also take note of.

Worries that he struggles with the language are for me a smoke screen, as I understand he communicates just fine with the players, but simply prefers the security of speaking in his own language to the media. Would that bother any fan, just as long as he gets a decent enough win percentage.

So if these are the three in the current short list, though todays papers are speculating that Roberto Martinez is the latest name, who would be your choice?..




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Date:Tuesday May 6 2014

Time: 7:57AM

Your Comments

Martinez if he was realistically available, the De Boar, pochettino, then anyone else other than sherwood.
The Hudd
If we manage to get into the EL then it will be interesting to see if we do go for Martinez. Everton will also be in the EL so it will be a test of Martinez's loyalty and also our ability to draw the big names if we make him an offer. I don't think he'll come as I think he is more loyal than to walk out on Everton after just one season. We should applaud that even if it does mean we miss out on a potentially very good Spurs manager. That being the case I'd like us to go after FdB but I think Levy would prefer Pochettino.
SpuriousLife
You don't become a good manager overnight....adios Tim! Of the 3 I think De Boer is a longer term strategy....and the more sensible solution if we are to continue being a selling club...
shedboy2
The name and level of coach Levy is about to employ is totally irrelevant! Why? Well if LOSER Levy somehow how convinces a top class coach to enter the ENIC nightmare, he will not back him in the transfer market, and the new coach will find the clubs best players sold without his permission or approval, which will most certainly cause friction between the coaching staff and Levy, which will have the knock on effect of unsettling more players... This has been the repeated pattern that has occurred for 14 seasons and 9 coaches, since Joe Lewis got his offshore, football mercenary hands on our beautiful football club... Why would anything change with coach number 10? Lewis won't drop the zero net spend transfer policy, which will mean Levy will put more of the clubs best players into his ENIC Auction house to raise his next Fantasy Football budget, and then Levy will not support his new coach in his personal selection of players, because Levy right now as I write, ahead of the new coaches arrival, already has his Fantasy Football eyes on the players he fancies... This is Levy's football team and his new coach will have to work with Levy's team, which of course is doomed to fail because the man running OUR club, OUR team is clueless Fantasy Football LOSER. Even the last few ENIC Hotspur fans living on the planet know this to be true now... Better the DIM you know Daniel...
Pele10
SFiring people is easy, replacing them with someone better is difficult. While some of our fans fantasise about top managers coming to the club the reality is we choose from who is left after bigger clubs have made their appointments. Winning the Dutch league with Ajax proves nothing, nor does finishing 8th in the premier league with Southampton, if that's the best on offer why bother. The reality is there is very little downside risk with giving Sherwood a full season to see what he can do. What might happen, we don't qualify for the europa ? that's an opportunity not a problem. Maybe at the end of next season we'll both have a better idea of Tim's capabilities and maybe some alternative candidates who have a bit more credibility. As for pressure from the fans, when Liverpool finished 7th last season some of their fans called for Roger's head, John Henry just ignored them, Levy should take note.
jod
Pele10 - Just say "see all my previous posts" each time, it'll speed things up.
jod
Huge downside to keeping Tim...losing all the players will set us back years.....the players are good they just need someone to organise and lead them...You don't become a good manager overnight...
shedboy2
shedboy2 - right, because as we all know players can just walk away even if they are under contract and we have to accept any bid no matter how small.
jod
Jod- nope they just start playing like they don't care, because they don't....
shedboy2
I would like Rafa Benitez over all 3. Proven all over the place and allegedly wants to manage in the prem again. Would certainly sort out our awful defence. I do like the way Everton has been playing under Martinez, but remember, Everton were solid defensively anyway,so what he added is flair. We haven't been defending well, which is the building block to a good side. Could Martinez sort defence? I have my doubts. Whoever I think of, I end up back with Rafa Benitez. Think he would come too.
wellsey58
I fully understand some fans adamancy to stay loyal to Sherwood and to be fair he hasn't done a woeful job. In my opinion anyone that thinks otherwise is being over critical. The main problems with Sherwood are; has he the experience of managing a big club, is he a player motivator, is he a skilled tactician, is his coaching staff up to the job, and last and probably the most importantly, is he a big enough name to entice the higher calibre players to want to play under him? Unfortunately the answer to most of these questions is no.
Now, I'm only going to talk about FDB, mainly because he is the guy I'm gunning for, but secondly because I think so far he is the only legitimate candidate. Ask yourself the same questions as done so above for Sherwood, and although you'll find yourself answering yes a lot more! It's a fantasy to believe that everything could fall so nicely, as to land FDB, take Stam, Bergkamp and Overmars along for the ride, and for spurs to start playing total football, however it's still all quite possible under this man.
Personal opinion, but in a game of top trumps, Tim only wins in 2 departments. Knowledge of the PL and knowledge of the club. Although it's beneficial, how necessary is it? How many managers have walked into PL clubs without this experience and done well from the off I wonder.
RyanHotSpur
For the long term plan...Has to be FDB for me. The set up right through the ranks would be vastly improved if we were to follow the Ajax model IMO. Obviously concerns about what level he is at as a manager with only Ajax to judge him on, but certainly worth the risk providing we are going to adhere to yet another long term vision.

Pochettino gets his teams playing good football, but is he really excelling, where do Southampton sit in the Leauge?, and whilst I'd consider our squad deeper as a whole, they are also blessed with a few top players themselves.

Sherwood, well, I'm afraid he gets judged more for what he says as opposed to how his team performs. Here lies the problem for me. Too much of this, and as witnessed, it soon becomes a negative. Would this be a good way to start a season with 9 months of football to play out?. I doubt it.

As for Martinez. As Spurious has stated, I believe him to be a loyal type and do not see him leaving Everton. Only squeak might be if numerous players are sold beneath him and he becomes disgruntled IMO.

So in summary, whilst a risk yet again, for me, if we are to stick to a long term plan, FDB would be my choice out of the 3, not my ideal choice, but the one out of 3.
cider spurs
jod, thanks for taking the time to read my posts... ;-) On the subject of Roger's, have you not forgotten that he has already turned LOSER Levy down, because he knew he would no longer be the head coach of THFC had he been foolish enough to work with Sugar's apprentice? You say "Levy should take note? When has Levy ever taken note, or learnt from a single one of his catalogue of hugely embarrassing mistakes he has made??? An ENIC LOSER leopard never changes it's zero net spend, Fantasy Football spots... ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
For me TS is probably a very good coach or No2 but not the manager and clubs representative to the media and the whole world. He cannot address the media without making himself look a fool, and if he looks stupid then the club looks stupid.
The problem is, now he's had a taste of the hot seat will he be ok with stepping down to a lesser role? I don't think so.

Levy has really made a mess of Spurs, many fans are anti Sherwood already so keeping him on will only end up with a season like this year. Sherwood will end up being sacked somewhere around Christmas. For me mid-season sackings are caused by panic decision.

How many clubs have changed managers in the Prem this season, it is a joke really. Why not change it so you can only change manager during a transfer window?
Personally I wouldn't be against the idea of sackings not possible during the season at all. You can only be judge after a sustained period of time, IMO. If the sacking occurs during the season then one would question the responsible parties for the hiring in the first place?
yiddyboy
My first choice would be Martinez,improbable I know, but the optimist in me sees Moyes going back to Everton....OK that's pure fantasy!
Tim, in my opinion, is just not ready for the PL just yet - and it's not just his footballing brain, it's more his lack of tact, impulsiveness and maturity that he needs to work on. He may get there one day but now is not the time.
I haven't a clue who DL has in mind but I would be happy with someone like FDB or Pochettino.
Durbanspur
Tim hasn't managed us to victory against one team judged to be on our level or above....in fact we've been spanked by the top teams and just seen us beaten by West Ham for the second time under him....where was a real stating CM partnership? for the guy that knew the club and players inside out, to not knowing the players to find them all much of a muchness the contradictions are staggering....as for being a name...that is all Tim is...he's been dinning out on winning the Pl for 20 years, dabbling in business and now dabbling in coaching...Time to show some ambition from the board not just go for the cheap option....
shedboy2
Jod good post trying to speed things up. Shed who are all the players who will leave because of TS? and how do you know each one will leave because of TS. How many will want to leave because we don't have CL? How many will want to leave because they are wanted by a bigger club? how many will want to leave because they are offered more money? how many will want to leave because they cant settle in London. Give us some hard evidence from the source to back up you constant claims. You know it all don't you Shed?
PJcoys-1882
Benitez, Ancelotti, Martinez, Pochettino, De Boar, Laudrup, Hoddle, Poyet would be my long list.
PJcoys-1882
Honestly dont understand why Mauricio Pochettino is even being considered, the article gives a decent account as why not to appoint him, average record in the prem, average record in Spain, speaks little English. Is he going to be able to manage players with bigger ego's?, is he going to be able to handle the pressure from the players, the board and the supporters for a top 4 push? is he going to attract the bigger names to our club? these questions should be already answered before appointing a manager NOT give him the role and cross our fingers. I'd rather Tim have the job.
coys1717
Firstly. Tim is no where near a failure. A guy with no experience and does not have his badges who does better at Spurs than AVB - who has all the badges and a Europa league trophy (albeit not significantly more experience). Tim has done pretty well to get a team to do at least what its quality demands...whilst AVB was getting below expected results with exactly the same squad. So Tim has done a decent job in non-ideal circumstances. Is he right to take us forward? No. Why? Because he obviously needs to learn. But I think he is the type of manager who will learn from failures, rather than learning on the job. We cannot afford to lose the progression that the club has made in the last 10 years. We cannot risk Tim because we have the opportunity to get a manager who can get that extra bit of performance from our squad. That won't be Tim. I like Tim, but I am not sure certain members of the squad like him. One thing that players hate is that someone with no track record talks as if he knows everything. Tim is one of them. He claims there is no need for a Sandro or Capoue and that there are others playing better than them....Really? Was Chadlli or Siggy better than them in central midfield lately...? Why is it that all the best teams and managers play holding midfielders? Why doesn't Tim? He lines up with 4-4-2 (with no holding midifielder) against teams with 3-man central midfield and gets easily overrun... He plays high line with no pressure on the ball and NO defensive midfielder and one less central midfielder. He plays 2 strikers where the only successful teams to do this have 2 of the best strikers in the country right now... We do it with a non-firing Soldado and Harry Kane... Tim has the centre half sent off in 2 matches early on (vs Citeh and West Ham), and fails to make the substitution for bring another CB on...as any experienced manager would do. 2 mins later we concede in both matches, and THEN he brings a CB on.... Surely you should learn from the first example...? Tim has done a good interim job after AVB cocked up the first half. The board have negotiated Spurs from being midtable and occasionally relegation threatened to top four contenders. Now is the time to get a guy in who can take a talented squad forward. Not someone on their apprenticeship. Martinez no. I love him. We should have got him instead of AVB. But too late. Everton have him now. Pochettino - not for me. I think he took over already a team that was playing at potential. He was just a new face with different ideas - just as Tim was. I am concerned about the language thing. Benitez - I don't like him personally. But he showed unbelievable skill and judgement when he picked up at Chelsea, and he also did well initially at Liverpool and before.... I think that he may be a bit tainted from his experiences, but I do believe that he would take us forward. He is a good choice for me...I am prepared to swallow my personal dislikes for the good of my team. De Boer - nice pedigree, and knows how to set up teams in Europe. Another good choice.
TonyRich
their needs to be a thorough investigation into that twitter leak late last night.find the offender and sack him/her.this makes our club look classless
ghulamville
Pj, the players signed for us because we were a big club with a vision. That collapsed when everything changed at Christmas. I said in jan in an article that players would leave under this tenure as it wasn't what or who they signed up for! Many of our best players have been ridiculed publicly and dropped in preference to the managers favourites. Only one thing will give us a chance of keeping many players now, or indeed attracting new quality players! Needs to happen soon or we are heading south next season!
Dublin Hotspur
Tim 'the greatest manager we've ever had' Sherwood is about to leave us with the worst league finish since 08/09. Perhaps that's a bit harsh considering he started at a disadvantage...but then he's been in charge of easily the highest valued squad (comparatively speaking) we've had in the prem era. One of the strange things I've noticed is that for all the talk of his high win% no one ever seems to talk about his loss% which is absolutely horrendous. That's the thing with Tim, we either win or we lose and the wins only ever come against the teams where there's a clear gulf in quality. If there's just a choice between Poch and FDB it'd be de Boer for me purely because I think the way he sets his team out with Ajax is the best fit for the players we currently have...the only question then would be whether that set up would work in the prem.
flipper
shedboy2 - Its ok for a player to throw a hissy fit if he's already being offered a better contract by someone else. Its not so smart if they are trying to persuade other clubs they are worth buying.
jod
ghulamville - Sounds like Tim was involved then :-)
yiddyboy
Ghulam. The club already looks classless. The tweet was a hack according to the club. Security will be ramped up they say! No worse than what schnzxfgy has been doing all season, and a few other gooners. The relationship between pool and spurs is strong so I reckon the club are speaking the truth. It was probably a goon fan who hacked in my opinion.
Dublin Hotspur
PJcoys-1882 - Laudrup - not for me. I was jealous of Swansea for picking up the astute choice ahead of AVB, but ultimaely I do not believe that Laudrup has the burning desire to succeed that a manager needs. Tim has that at least....but Laudrup does not need it. I cannot see him taking us forward. Hoddle - well, he wasn't good the first time round. Why should he be better now...?
TonyRich
TonyRich stop being so reasonable please, is there a place on here for such intelligent posting? For me that post best sums up how things have been, how they are and Tim Sherwood.
PJcoys-1882
yiddyboy-wouldnt surprise me if they put the blame on him
ghulamville
TonyRich - You say we can't take the risk with Tim, what risk is that exactly? Its not failing to get champions league, because we haven't had that since before he took over. Losing europa would be a bonus not a problem. Relegation isn't an issue. So what exactly is this risk I keep hearing about ?
jod
flipper - the win % cannot be ignored BUT must always be treated with a pinch of salt. Tim's record vs top four is not only 4 losses out of 4, the goal difference is minus thirteen from those four games. We weren't close. To break into top four, you cannot give them all 6 points! At least AVB got a point out of Chelsea this season, and last season, we took 10 points from the top four - as opposed to ONE point this time around. This is the difference.
TonyRich
shedboy2 - "Tim hasn't managed us to victory against one team judged to be on our level or above", last time I looked Everton were above us in the table and we beat them at White Hart Lane. Another example of a Spurs fan thinking we are better than we are ? In any event its irrelevant. All that counts at the end of the season is how many points you have, how you got them doesn't change the total, there are no bonus points on offer for beating bigger teams. Chelsea won at Anfield then dropped two points against Norwich, Liverpool had their title ambitions blown apart by Crystal Palace.
jod
ghulamville - Coming on here today after last night is a bit brave isn't it?
yiddyboy
I think the key to any appointment is more about Levy willingness to give ' The New Man ' full control of all football matters. Coaches like LVG and FDB would want such a guarantee from Levy. Personally I would like to see a coach like FDB appointed on a 4 year contract and let him get on with it.
AllanDK
why what happenned last night?
ghulamville
jod - the risk is that Man U will get Van Gaal, and will be back. Chelsea will run away with the title next season. Citeh are Citeh. Liverpool are back to being top four contenders. Arsenal are Arsenal. Everton finished above us, and are additional top 4 contenders. In the last few years we have become an established top 5 club, finishing 4th twice. Now we are 6th. The risk is losing stature, and losing the opportunity to become competitive with the big boys. We need to stay in contention when the stadium arrives. Because a) it could derail our progression somewhat, b) it may take a couple of seasons to really feel the benefits of the new season. Look, we sack Harry in 4th place. AVB takes us down to 5th, and then 7th before getting sacked. Get the wrong choice again, and how far down can we go...? Look at Man U? Moyes takes them down from runaway 1st to 7th. Look at Liverpool...it took a few seasons for them to get back to the top. Those 2 dropped from higher starting points than us.
TonyRich
benefits of the new stadium.....
TonyRich
Yiddy, I think thats a good idea about restricting managers sackings....Dublin why did the "collapse" happen at Christmas? Are we not still the same size now as before Xmas? do we still not have the same vision as before Xmas? Are we not still building the same new stadium (please NO Pele) have we still not training at the best facilities in the Country? Has the club changed its investment plans since Xmas? So you said in January the players would leave under his tenure, how many have gone? if he is sacked after the last game and the window opens in August how can that be possible, you are making claims based on assumptions and not knowledge, based on VERY limited understanding, if any, of what is actually happening at the club.
PJcoys-1882
According to today's press, Darren Lewis reports that Spurs have "set their sights on Martinez". As a life long Spurs fan, I find it intensely embarrassing, that the club are turning themselves into a laughing stock with this "managerial lucky dip". What will Levy say to him, "i'd like to discuss the manager's job at Spurs with you, you are currently 6th choice, are you interested". We are destroying our credibility as a major PL club, lacking dignity, and integrity. Come on Levy get you act together, and sort it out, quietly.
Frank
You are probably better off forgetting it :-)

If TS remains at the helm, he must be given the WHOLE season irrespective of how bad he may be doing. If he's to be replaced at the first sign of trouble then that ship has already sailed....
yiddyboy
Ghulam but ur a Liverfool fan? Why do u continue with ur fake persona?
Mix26
TonyRich, I do tend to agree with you on Laudrup, he seems a little too clever, astute to want to put up with all the hassle and negative public domain stuff accompanying being a manager at the top level, cant say for sure of course but you might sum him up here. The same ref Hoddle, i do tend to agree, but they are both at the rear end of my list and if we get past all those before I am struggling to see anyone better, having said that I don't have the understanding the club and or board has of who is available with strong potential around europe/world
PJcoys-1882
frank- i feel the board havnt a scooby,ive felt that for a bit.daniel levy wants tim sherwood to remain but the board members have reservations i am hearing
ghulamville
Where are you getting this info Ghulamville? COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
TonyRich - You seem to have a strange idea of what constitutes risk. United getting Van Gaal isn't a risk, they've got him if they want him. What other clubs do or don't do isn't altered by who manages Spurs, I don't understand why you think that's relevant. You seem totally confused by the importance of league positions. Last season Liverpool finished 7th, this year they will probably finish 2nd, could still win it. The only league positions that count are the top four. After that finishing outside the europa places actually improves your chances the following season, Liverpool and Everton have shown that. There's nothing in what you've said that constitutes a real risk.
jod
Frank, that's only the clubs fault if the press are reporting truthfully in the first place.
flipper
Morning All, Haven’t been on here since the embarrassment of a game on Saturday. Im just glad that after the weekend we can put this nightmare of a season behind us and do what needs to be done over the summer. First and foremost, it doesn’t matter if we had the best manager in the world, our back four (ALL of THEM) just aren’t up to it. I felt sorry for Kabs as he was in 2 minds and made the wrong choice. Danny Rose was again way out of position and I just cant wait for QPR or someone to come in for him in the summer

Manager wise, I still want to see us go for Mancini. Proven winner, managed in the PL and by all accounts wouldn’t be opposed to return. Im 50/50 on FDB, but I’ll be honest I don’t know a great deal about him. Pochettino has done NOTHING to deserve the spurs job and would be an even braver decision than AVB. One things is for sure, it CANT be Tim Sherwood. Ok, he hasn’t sent us into the championship, but that’s because we genuinely have a decent set of players. I could manage spurs and finish in the top half FFS

Saturday again highlighted why he can’t be here next season. The wrong team selection from the start, the wrong formation from the start, the wrong game plan from the start. He talked about “taking the Fight” to them, yet set up with sandro on the bench and siggy in midfield. I mean that is just stupidity in a bag!
hudderspur
believe me or not i know someone who knows one of the directors.the guys info is very good
ghulamville
Omg can put this non sense to bed about Dims record at Spurs! Dim has been in charge for 27 matches. W13 D4 L10 which is 48% win ratio. That is the real facts and nothing can change it! He is NOT the best performing manager and he ain't the future of shiet! NOBODY wanted Dim to get the job and he did not DESERVE the job in the slightest! DL appointed him and more than likely against strong oposition from in and around the club, but with DL we all know he does whatever he likes. Dim will not be manager based on results, formations, tactics, moral and above all his lack of etiquette and knowledge for the game. Dim knows he does not have the job and so does everyone else! That's why the rumours and qoutes have come from Ajax etc. Avoid the inevitable should u like but stop holding onto false hopes for a complete numpty who really does not give a crap about Spurs! P.S he is also a BIG Le Ars fan...
Mix26
So managing a club for 4 years and winning the Dutch League doesn't count; organising all the teams in the club to play the same systems and developing young talent doesn't count; playing at the highest levels of international and European football doesn't count. So I guess that leaves Tim then. I'm tired of speculating on this mess that Levy has created, and given his track record over 14 years it is very unlikely that he he will make and secure the obvious choice who is De Boer. He is the right age, has the managerial experience, is tactically astute, has top-level playing experience and has vision. Tim only competes on the age criteria.
Harry-Kari
I don't think tim has done a bad job this season but there are some on here that think that we should win every single game and thrash the bottom 3 whenever we play them. However, Tim's straight talking approach seems to rub people up the wrong way, and considering the way that footballers expect to be treated nowadays, this may not be great for team unity.

Whoever we get needs to be able to sort out our defence. This may not entirely Tim's fault but poor defending has been a reoccuring theme under his stewardship. Nevertheless, i'm sure our DoF is aware of this and I expect to see some of our current shower moved on with some more experience brought in. Would ashly cole be available, perhaps?
Conan_the_Spur
Sherwood has managed to have cobbled together a passable win % almost entirely made up of victories against teams that anybody could manage our squad to beat. In games where there is a need for a specific team set-up, game plan, and tactical approach, of course we have come up short. The players look unhappy, jaded, demotivated, lacking fight, and a must win mentality. It is an open secret that several players are fed up with lack of game time, and public vilification by the manager. Granted there were problems, and we weren't exactly flying, when he was appointed, but he hasn't realistically improved anything during his time in post. If you want to see how a change in manager can, and should work, look no further that Palace and Sunderland. Both clubs were doomed to relegation when Pullis and Poyet came in, both have transformed their clubs, not by spending on new players, but by organisation, planning, getting players fully onside by man management, instilling a willingness to battle and fight, and to defend properly, and both have managed great results against top clubs, and are now safe. The difference of course is that both men had been around the block a few times, knew the score, kept their heads down, said very little, and let their results and performances do the talking, thereby retaining their dignity. If Sherwood ever manages to pull his head out from up his own arse, stops trying to be a jack the lad media personality, and concentrates on his job, he should watch, look and listen to more experienced people, he might just learn something.
Frank
Harry-Kari - If winning the Dutch league with Ajax made you a brilliant manager then McClaren winning it with FC Twente would, by the same logic, make him an absolute genius. But of course you aren't actually employing logic are you ?
jod
jod-nice one
ghulamville
Conan I believe it's the stupid comments Dim makes that embarrass the club and it's supporters...
Mix26
fdb is avb without the european credentials
ghulamville
jod did u read HK post? U insult him with farts into the wind! I cannot even get one decent post on why Dim deserves the job? Someone? Anyone? Phuck it I'll even take a sign from the heavens to make me understand...
Mix26
what with the underwhelming names being bounded about,it leads me to ask why avb was let go?
ghulamville
Kari, sherwood has played at the top level, that one more, come on stay real and honest to yourelf. How do you honestly know he doesn't have vision, have you sat down with him to discuss his vision?
PJcoys-1882
ghulumville is a scouser who pretends to be a Spurs supporter...
Mix26
FDB would have us playing attacking football with crisp passing! He is excactly what we need at THFC. The question is do we supporters have the patience to build a new? I for one think that this is the only way to go; Lets not forget; 'A Team of depth does not appear Magically, but rather evolve over time'. No matter who is appointed we the supporters must realise that there will be NO instant gratification.
AllanDK
Jod so what makes you think FDB is not good enough for Spurs? COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Mix-you are a sad pathetic loser,people like you who are so angry with life shouldnt be near a computer for your own sake.its because guys like you that we are losing brilliant posters like MAN ON
ghulamville
It was of course grossly unfair to Sherwood, the players, and us the fans, for a top 5/6 PL club with aspirations towards a top 4 finish and CL qualification, to actually appoint a totally unqualified, inexperienced, first time coach, with a second rate coaching team, to a club of this stature. It was said to be a "caretaker role" until the end of the season, Sherwood then backed Levy into a corner and was given an 18 month contract. I will say confidently that this situation hasn't ever, and wouldn't happen, at any other similar football club. He must must be moved out before the damage he will cause to squad quality, due to his somewhat simplistic beliefs re. effort and ability, and team unity, due to his habit of public vilification, of either individuals, or the team, and zero man management skills, will take seasons to repair.
Frank
Frank, you say that Tim's victories were all against teams that we should beat. You then speak about how well Sunderland and Palace play - surely these 2 relegation fighters are among the list of teams that 'anybody could manage our squad to beat'.

Verts has looked a bit jaded and Ade has returned to his natural state of sullen indifference but to say that every player is jaded and unmotivated is pure hyperbole.

Mix, I can understand that some of Tim's comments have rattled a few cages, but I don't see them as embarrassing as the elevated sense of entitlement that leads some fans to constantly overestimate our chances of top 4. the latter being the greater source of cruel jibes and taunts from opposing fans.
Conan_the_Spur
Ghulamville, he was let go because we started the season as a team very difficult ot beat but also rarely troubled the opposition goal keeper, then we got trounced by City and Liverpool and struggled against weaker oppositon. From AVB's point of view, we sold the players he wanted to keep and we failed to sign the players he wanted we were also pretty hamstrung by injuries!! According to Wikipedia it was by mutual consent and we didn't fire him: On 16 December 2013, Tottenham announced that Villas-Boas had left the club "by mutual consent".[32] The dismissal, with Spurs lying seventh in the Premier League and having won all six of their Europa League group games, followed a series of disappointing domestic league results that included a 6–0 defeat away to Manchester City and culminated in a 5–0 home defeat to Liverpool.[33] Villas-Boas left the club with the highest percentage of league wins of any manager in the club's Premier League era.
Slurms McKenzie
FDB same as AVB? One big flaw in that is FDB prefers othordox wingers to supply the front men. Yes FDB likes to keep the ball, keep the opposition running, wasting their energy. Makes sense to retain the ball until they leaves gaps to take advantage? COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Mix26, the redscousers wouldn't touch with a barge pole - why do you think the pretence ?!
Highgatespur
Any manager we get will be a gamble, there is one kind of manager that Levy has not appointed and that is an experienced manager, well apart from Redknapp that is. Sherwood is not the answer and most of us know that, we need an appointment soon.
Kong
jod, McClaren may well have been a fluke, but FDB has won it 4 times on the spin, and developed many good players as well through the Ajax ranks, during his tenure. To compare him to "The wally with the brolly" reminds me of the chalk and cheese analogy.
Frank
Finally, worked out the conundrum of whether TS is a gooner or not - ITK has it that he registered as a fan forgetting he was on L'arse site and 20 years on he sitll registered as one ...such is his strength of character (or so complicated is the process to deregister and re-register as a Spurs fan) he has decided not to change his goons status....

Unbelivable ? hey it seems ok for some on here...
Highgatespur
Kong, what's going on ? Almost sounding like myself .... come on get a grip.... LOL
Highgatespur
My biggest issue with Sherwood is not that he has failed to get any of the seven recent signings playing anywhere near their potential its that he has failed to get our proven stars playing anywhere near their potential. If he is to stay the result would be a mass exodus of our squad and a rebuilding job on a shoe string budjet. FDB coming in with a new coaching staff maybe the stimulus some of our players need to get back on form and convince more to stay for at least another season, in any case a massive overhaul of our coaching staff is required as the whole squad and our approach to games is looking jaded and a bit predictable.
Slurms McKenzie
AllanDK (a great name!) I think as Spurs supporters we have learnt several harsh lessons ourselves since Decemeber and in fact throughout this period .... We need to get the right person on board and then give unwavering support to the qualified man... COYMS!!!
Highgatespur
Highgate, that is true, can't have that, I will take time out :)
Kong
Spot on Kong :) COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Slurms. It's really a no brainer isn't it?
Highgatespur
Look at it from outside in though. If we let Sherwood go tomorrow, which club in their right mind would take him knowing he hasn't got his badges, hasn't once looked tactically astute as Spurs boss and been an absolute mess in front of the cameras. Which chairman would take that risk? The simple truth is that our decent squad has accumulated points despite of Tim. It can't be proven either way but most of us instinctively know that. The harsh reality is that we need a new manager ASAP so we can pull the squad together and start to move on.
muttley
High, it could be a hell of a lot cheaper to get FDB in and let Tim go rather then keep Sherwood and replace two thirds of the squad!!
Slurms McKenzie
IIt would be Benitez for me. FDB is a great dream of building the club....but finish 7th next season and he is gone again. Levy has no patience for these managers and thats the problem cos its not like we achieving CL this way either. But i think with his experience, Benitez has a better chance to turn us around quicker than FDB would.
jhbspur
muttley the same clubs would then trot out his win percentage with spurs and be drooling over the prospect of what he could do for them!
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms. a third ? you sure ? are you always that conservative ? Surely if we, the humble unknowledgeables, can see that fallacy of Siggy and Paulingo in central mid - the skilled qualified players must be rolling their eyes to the heaven surely ?
Highgatespur
jhbspur not sure we'd be able to take Benitez or that he would want to come to us at this stage and I would see him as a similar risk to FdB anyway. We need to resolve our defensive frailities (which only really manifested themselves about three months into this season, strangely) and solve the disconnect between our defense and midfield.
Slurms McKenzie
muttley, actually to an extent I think it can be proven by the fact he has an almost 50/50 win/loss percentage. In the context of a team like ours with a pretty decent squad, that to me suggests a tactically deficient manager reliant on quality to get results against teams clearly inferior. When we can't compete in quality he has no solution to nullify theirs and we get steamrollered.
flipper
muttley, you have forgotten 'the best ever percentage for a Spurs manager in EPL era' - haven't you heard all the ex players and pundits are all stating the fight for TS in all the other clubs?!

Totally agree with your last sentence! 100%.
Highgatespur
slurms: not sure risk is similar as he has proven himself in the premier league with liv and chelsea. His family still lives in the uk and do not want to move so i would say he would be very keen to come back. Ontop of that, i think he would love to prove chelsea wrong over the whole 'interim' fiasco where he actually did a pretty good job. I think even torres scored a few in that period.
jhbspur
Manchester City have been fined £50m after breaching Uefa's Financial Fair Play regulations, according to Sky sources. And there will be limits on their squad size in next season's Champions League. Sky sources understand the fine will be payable over three years and the team will have to freeze their Champions League spending. Additionally, they will only be able to enter a 21-man squad in the Champions League (instead of 25). City are contesting the penalty - full confirmation of the fine and conditions imposed is expected by the end of the week or early next.
spu 4 life
Thank goodness, just one more match to go with Sherwood in charge, a man only in the post because of the panic over AVB and a team full of new boys, some very young, who to some degree were always going to have their personal struggles in such new surroundings. So much for the habit on Spurs websites of transfer window wish-lists of "we need two of these, a world class that, different wingers, plus a world class striker with two top quality back-ups" that hardly considers what real-world outcomes tend to be like. Sherwood had authority initially but threw it away with his opinionated comments to the public that must have dismayed the players, praising a couple only as a means of slagging off far more. He needs to go away and learn man-management, tact and tactics, but keep quiet about it. Martinez takes victory and defeat in his stride, is philosophical about such things, but quietly perseveres where our kind of fans, our management and owners usually panic. So a good candidate but is much too stable for Spurs. No big fan of Benitez, yet he would be my first choice, with De Boer as second choice.
Airwave
Slurms, the same for the guy before him all but Eriksen and possibly Chirches in parts have been close to pants all season, they did not suddenly become average, they simply never got beyond that. Some we really dont want to try to convince and others will want to leave for other reasons, this requires some eyes open thinking
PJcoys-1882
Highgate your such a traditionlist, you know they all laughed when one J. K. Starley first fitted the same sized wheel to the front and back of his new bicycle design but we don't see many vélocipède's or "penny-farthings" around now! Who knows perhaps in ten years all the top teams will be benching their best players and marshalling their midfields with squad players and playing them out of position. Tim sherwood - Visionary...
Slurms McKenzie
spu4life, thanks for that but I fear that this represent a mere a pebble effect on their vast sea of resources... should've been a transfer ban ...
Highgatespur
Jod If you think that Tim is not a risk because he wont get us relegated and not getting into Europa is a bonus, may I suggest that any one of the other 92 league managers plus the few hundred out of work could do the same, perhaps Darrel Clarke who has just taken Bristol Rovers down to the Conference would fit the bill. Anybody on here could do it by just telling Steffan to get on with it. If we are the 6th richest in the league cant we just aspire to get a bit higher. So why stick with a bloke who cannot organise a defence when others like even Pullis can do it in a couple of weeks.
matt hoten
spu 4 life: that makes me a little sick really. The fact is Manc are laughing at these penalties. They will earn back 30m from the CL season so actually only pay 20m and continue pumping money from their cover up Etihad sponsorship. These breaches should be treated more harshly and they should be docked points which will take the league away from them and possibly promote everton to a top 4 spot. This is the only way these teams will treat FFP with any respect. Compare this penalty to the harsh treatment of Rangers for their financial issues.
jhbspur
jhbspur, Why in the World would Benitez give up life in Italy where he has just won the Coppa Italia, Italian version of the FA Cup, and is set to compete in the next seasons Champions League, to come and work with the chairman who has the worst trophy per season of any THFC chairman since world war 2, who has just about the worst reputation in European football for treating his coaches like crap, (at least Romans coaches leave with winners medals). And every top coach in Europe knows we are a selling club that operate on a zero net spend budget. So many Spurs fans still have their heads deeply buried in the ENIC tax free, off shore, Bahamas sand! Wake up my Yids! ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
I just don’t get this argument, I really don’t. TS is not a football manager. He has not got his badges, he has no experience, he has absolutely no idea about the transfer markets yet when quizzed about it said he want to be the one calling them shots in the window. Like frank mentioned, this would not happen at any other club in the top 6-7. There is a massive difference in grinding out results and taking control of a game. We have better players than the majority of clubs in the PL, yet we never seem comfortable. Tim laughs off that we concede so early but doesn’t seem to realise it’s his phucking job to stop it. Out out out out out is all I can say. Its all well and good for Mr Ginola to go on talk sport and say how well Tim is doing blah blah blah…..but I would bet my last fiver that if Ginola were still playing he would be heading the queue out of the front door!!! I mean just look at the players who apparently want out….Paulinho, Vertonghen, Lamela, even sandro is getting phucked of!!! Those are the players who everyone knows we need to stay at the club. Its ok though, Kane and Bentaleb will see us through next season!!!!!!!!!!!
hudderspur
Matt, Pulis looks like a genius compared to Tim he even knows how to muster a fight back after conceeding a few goasl!!! I'm with Matt Hoten - Pulis for Spurs
Slurms McKenzie
ghulam, is it ok if i join the gang to gang up on you? it will make it harder for you , i hope you can agree.....................Highgate Sherwood possibly has more in his life that an internet site perhaps? maybe you could learn from that?
PJcoys-1882
Brillaint Slurms... I can then say 'I was there' - can I ? I am hoping that I'll be saying that when we reminisce these dark days as we celebrate the PL, CL wins in two years time!!! Dreamer ? who me ? surely not...
Highgatespur
I wonder if Joe Lewis' stategy is to get Spurs in the Champions league asap so he can sell the club before racking up huge debts on paying for a new stadium.In that case he will choose a manager who will do it on a budget and grind out results.Who is capable of doing that in one season or they get the sack is anybody's guess.I'm feeling quite cynical this morning.
Greavesaboveall
Slurms, will Pulis attract top level players to spurs do you think? He is not doubt very good at getting the very best out of what he is given within very tight budget constraints.
PJcoys-1882
jhbspurs, Rangers cheated the system, bought players with money they didn't have and dodged the Taxman to pay wages they couldn't afford, their cheating affected the scottish leagues directly but also various clubs in leagues around europe who missed out on transfer targets because of Rangers unfair advantage and those who were knocked out of european games by Rangers during this time. City have more money then God at their disposal but just haven't figured out how to wash it through the club well enough to satisfy FIFA. I agree that they should have handed them a champions league ban for breaching the rules even if it was over turned on appeal it would at least send out a message that FIFA were taking their own financial fair play rules seriously. But don't compare City to Rangers!
Slurms McKenzie
matt hoten, because he is the best manager of Spurs in the EPL era - simples!!!
Highgatespur
Pele: so by your account lets all stop discussing the team we love cos by all accounts no manager in the world would want to manage spurs..... and ontop of that....Levy has always been Levy, yet Benitez has sent a dosier in application to the job previously....adding to that what i have stated regarding his family living in the UK. You dont have to agree with me, i am simply posting opinion!!
jhbspur
hudderspur - I am with you on this one!!!
Highgatespur
Hang on Slurms - the apologists will no doubt highlight the great fightback against that brilliant team called West Bromwich Albion.... I say TS for Prime Minster
Highgatespur
PJcoys, my Pulis post may have just a hint of "tongue in cheek" about it, but it does illistrate the point about Sherwoods failings compared to an experienced manager - at any level. In every walk of life there are very few podigies who walk into a job with little or no experience and make it successful. Experience is what we call the knowledge gained from failing and mistakes. Which means we have to fail and make mistakes to learn from them, can Spurs afford to let Sherwood make all those mistake and fail before he learns enough to make Spurs successful? or should they take a punt on a manager who has tried, failed and learned?
Slurms McKenzie
oh dear ghulum i feel so bad now that MAN ON could not deal with comments. Note that none of my comments were directed at him, they were all at u. So in retrospect u can thank yourself for that one...For the record I think MAN ON has fantastic posts and he has disagreed re Dim but purely because of the personal attacks on Dim as a person. much the same as yourself. If Dim is all straight talking non sense bloke then surely he is not offended? I find Dim's comments an embarrassment and more so detrimental to himself! His public persona is what it is and not much will change it I'm afraid. P.S how am I the sad one when u don't know which football team to support?
Mix26
Highgate teh cynic in measn suspects that was a contrived fight back, infact the conspiracist in me believes Sherwood had Ade teed up to miss any early penalty we might get in that game. Its the only logical explanation for the suicidal defending and impotent attacking in that first half - Sherwood wanted a fight back for his CV!!!!
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms: not saying what is being done is as bad...but are they not cheating the system at the expense of other teams in the league and gaining financial as well as other benefits. My point was simply that this was an opportunity for FIFA to stamp out this cheating straight away by making a huge example of citeh.
jhbspur
PJ we're on a endlessly revolving carousel going nowhere. We can't stop it or get off.
Greavesaboveall
It takes a very experienced manager to flourish at Tottenham and the outstanding candidate for me is Benitez.This bloke has a hide like a rhino and I was impressed by the job he did at Chelsea while being harassed by hostile supporters and treacherous Directors. He is surely ideal for us.Of the others I suspect De Boer would not remain long if he was successful or unsuccessful. As for Pochettino this would be a disaster in the making.His teams have a pattern of play and are easy on the eye but he simply does not win enough football matches.He would be lucky to last a season
cynicspur
Slurms, you are true cynic ... maybe I should forgive Carlos for all those forays and errors in so many games - all designed to feel sorry for TS, you think ? Perjhaps I'm brainless after all LOL!
Highgatespur
matt hoten - "cant we just aspire to get a bit higher", I love the meaningless waffle some fans go in for. I could aspire to be the richest man in Britain, so what ? I also love the confidence that anyone could keep us up, the difference is Sherwood has proved it. I don't just think not getting into the europa is a bonus any more, Rogers and Martinez have already proved it is.
jod
jhbspur, the beautiful thing about this site is that we are all free to discuss what we choose... What I am saying is that until ENIC are removed, all the discussions about possible future players, head coaches that may or not come to OUR club, or are about to be sold by Levy are Futile, will have no bearing on the clubs on the on the pitch future of the club we love, as we have seen now for 9 coaches and many top players that Levy has cashed in on. Lets look at THFC like a loved one, your girlfriend, a family member or a special friend. Now imagine this special person in you life has got cancer and needs urgently to have this cancer removed, so that the body can operate in a successful healthy harmonious manner once again... But all the loved one (the sick person) wants to talk about is their appearance on the outside, their hair colour, or their latest manicure, or the new clothes they want to buy. (new coach new players) What we really need to say to our sick family member, girlfriend or whom ever, is stop talking about the superficial! You have a CANCER in you that urgently needs to be removed! Once we have taken care of your health, I will take you shopping and you can buy a beautiful outfit, you can get you hair done or whatever... ENIC ARE THE CANCER, and until they are removed the beautiful THFC organism the team we love will struggle, remain sick, under perform, be outclassed, defeated by much more healthy organism's... ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
It did not take much for United fans to decide Moyes was not the right man for the club. Hence the club or THFC which is what most of us are apart of and more than likely have been for many years. We have watched countless seasons, Spurs and other teams from around the world. Some if not most fell in love with the game first by actually playing , weather or not that's 5 or 11 a side or even a kick about. I think that gives me enough to judge Dim and his failings. Fans around the country pay money to see performances and if they boo it's cause they not happy with the performance. Dim said he knew what Spurs supporters wanted... Boy was he wrong...
Mix26
I think some of you need to understand the world of stats, you do all realize that if Man United win their next 2 games then Ryan Giggs will have the honour of the greatest United manager EVER (according to the stats).

Tim was assigned a task of getting us into the Top4 he has failed that equals P45. No excuses can be given, he failed to motivate and manage a pool of talent to achieve the target. As he has already lost a vast majority of the fanbase it would be foolish of Levy to keep the chap on, but on the flip side we all know Levy likes a bargain and that's exactly what Tim is. Ever heard of the expression "Pay peanuts and attract monkeys"
yiddyboy
Well said Mix26 but I feel that you are talking to the converted already as well as those individuals who believe that they are the self appointed 'agent provocateurs'....
Highgatespur
Lot of talk early this morning on talksport where journos and guests were commenting on the pool / palace game, then saying as they hadn't played the game they weren't qualified to comment! Ian Abrahams went into how he felt Tim was rude in his comments and that his questions were fair( I agree btw) and that it wasn't his fault spurs were "rubbish" ( not fair IMO). But goes to show how he is losing grace from the media now also, who have loved him thus far for giving them so much to write about! I was cringing! Embarrassing! I hope spurs pr department were listening! I know many don't rate talksport, but it was on the air. Can't be good for us can it?
Dublin Hotspur
Jod, Apologise for disagreeing with you. Perhaps we should all leave the forum, let you write all the articles and then you could just reply to them congratulating yourself.
matt hoten
Hello Dublin, be careful like Moose you will be asked for your qualifications to comment on our hallowed boss for the moment, on here... I say fire the lot of them - how dare they ????!!!??
Highgatespur
PJcoys-1882 - Levy is untouchable (almost). Tim was spurting off from day 1 that top 4 is the target, he even gave up both cup runs at the first hurdle to give him the best chance of achieving the top4. If you can give me something he has done that AVB didn't then let me know
yiddyboy
I do find it amusing that the poll is still changing....Some of us are really smart!!
yiddyboy
Purely based on Benitez' tenure at Liverpool. I have many friends who support the pool, many stated when Rafa was at the helm that his management style and ethos was more about not losing the game as opposed to winning it.

Obviously a Champions League title is not one to be ignored, and he did come in and do a job at Chelsea, I am however undecided whether he would set us up to actually win enough games as opposed to drawing. Whilst his win% throughout his career is roughly in the mid 50s, this shows that he wins a shade over half the games, but he does still draw an awful lot. Could he improve this win percentage at Spurs?, and lets not forget some of the strikers he had at his disposal in order to reach these percentages.

I'm not opposed to Rafa by any means, but has he got the killer instinct to push for the win as opposed to ensure a loss is not the result?. Listening to my friends back then, I'm not so sure.
cider spurs
PJ sadly I find his comments and actions under Spurs very condescending and borderline personal with the supporters. Most of what I say is said in jest, the same as Dim. He has managed to severely damage the team IMO and caused massive in house problems with players and not excluding the rumours of stabbing AVB in the back. I mock him the same as I feel he mock's us. I was even borderline backing Pele10 in his Levy escapade! Lol but truth be told u are right Sir, Dim and Levy more than likely had some handshake agreement about what was expected and Dim walks away with cheeky few bob. Just feels like we have been cheated on by our supermodel ladies... lol
Mix26
Dublin...Spurs PR department were not listening to Talk Sheit. They are far too busy compiling their next Video cheering on other clubs failings. ;-)
cider spurs
Benitez has the thickest skin,look how he dealt with the owner's feud at Liverpool and the ignorant Chelski fans.He also wins European trophies ,that would be nice wouldn't it?
Greavesaboveall
yiddyboy, what poll ?
Highgatespur
Where did you get this three name shortless of unproven and average managers from Ox?

Sherwood, has done no better than AVB, not playing much better football and if anything the defending - see how to build a wall - has got worse. Soon to be hated by the majority of the fans if he stays next season but if let go, then the 6 month trail didn't work but fair play and good luck.

FdB... unknown, the link with Celtic is valid, european stats are woeful and it sounds like another AVB project... Probably my pick out the three as he has the most gravitas.

Pochettino (or Martinez).. but proved to be pretty average this season,, Pochettino started well then faded after taking over one of the best yound england squads in the league, get his players not him. Martinez I have included here as all he really achieved is losing the race for the champions league when in a winning position, pretty much what David Moyes did, and you don't want david moyes do you? Don't care if he is loyal, not good enough to make a difference at spurs.

Mancini, Benitez and LvG have all made noises they are interested in the spurs job,,, vG will probably go to Utd but the other two would be 10x better than the three in the article or the new david moyes. I'd go Benitez, you can't ask much more than that.

T.H.F.Chris
matt hoten - Why not just write stuff that makes sense ?
jod
off topic, what's the likelihood that villa will draw or win at citeh tomorrow ?! That'd be a hoot....
Highgatespur
I wasn't on here this time last year, but I bet all the talk was team selections for the last game v Sunderland, would arsenal lose or draw to let us slide into 4th, who did we want player wise in and out in the window etc. All we have talked about is Tim Sherwood for too long now! Everyone wants the season over, I never thought I'd feel that way! It's so telling. Come on levy and sort this mess out! I have become a moany old man before my time because of this!
Dublin Hotspur
Highgatespur - some seem to think we'll draw with West Ham :-)
yiddyboy
Once again, like my post yesterday that you picked up on pj, I am not insulting Tim. Just commented on the impact his comments have had on the media, myself, and the club. Big difference mate. Please feel free to call me a "thicko" or a "plank" again though.
Dublin Hotspur
yiddyboy - doesn't that poll close after a while ?! That poll is the worst aspect of this site. Seriously they were probably right - it was such an improvement in the second half and we did draw 0-0!!! LOL!!!
Highgatespur
PJcoys-1882 - I just knew Ade would be the one thing you pick out although for me Ade played good for the first 5/6 games and now we have the old Ade back. Probably the reason why AVB didn't want him around in the first place. Ironically Ade is the only player to come out a state he'd like Tim to stay on. You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours?
I'm not totally against Tim I just think he's shot himself in the foot.
The biggest question is, Is there a manager that all of us will back from day one?
Listening to Palace fans last night really highlights the difference the fans can make, their noise must have spuured on the team!!
yiddyboy
Dublin, don't worry - you are not the only one being frustrated - should hear some choice comments during the matches.... 6 days and 1 game - far too long but hopefully that's the end.
Highgatespur
Highgatespur - The Poll has changed since this morning, when I first logged on Spurs were 47% Win...LOL
yiddyboy
yoddyboy maybe they are in another world .... THE Twilight Zone!!!!
Highgatespur
Now the tabloids are saying Conte is possibly leaving Juventus and linked with us. Why is it that Spurs are always linked to nearly every manager and player out there in World football. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
*sorry - yiddyboy
Highgatespur
Why should Sherwood be given the job for next season?. Now I know he put himself up for the gig, Levy's hands were somewhat tied through lack of options left after the AVB fallout.

His remit may or may not have been top 4, but one factor I am sure would have been essential, was that of guiding the team through the rest of the season with stability and professionalism. We can all argue has he or, has he not managed the team to success on the pitch, but has he actually learnt anything?.

You see, I'm all for giving people a chance in life, but they have to grasp the opportunity with both hands and want to show their gratitude by way of hard work and learning. How can anybody tell me Sherwood has learnt anything by bleeding goals through CM but continually playing the likes of Chadli and Siggy there. That is not learning, Sandro has not been sublime this season, injuries may have played a big hand in that, but come on, you leak goals you address it as best as possible, were Chadli and Siggy really the best to remedy this?.

The media spiel, we've all witnessed the fallout, Tim must have been aware of the effect it had, did he stop?, no, head down, I'm the manager, I'll do it my way. No problem with that, but I know enough that you can also reach the same conclusion and get a positive reaction by being positive with remarks as well as negative. Has Tim learnt this yet?. No.

This is where for me he is not right for the job as of yet, if ever. He has had almost 5 months, still making the same mistakes, he's not learning, but some are backing him saying if he had his own players it would be better, especially once he had learned more. Why is it do you think that some players may have a problem with Tim?, surely it can't all be down to missing AVB?. I think it has more to do with Tim's ability to lay blame at the feet of others whilst not offering any explanations on how he intends to improve things other than the old "Yeah, were gonna have a go, get at em'." He's publicly slated the players, never a good move, hence not the latest trend. How about telling all and sundry how you are going to improve the poor performances as opposed to the "they're sheit or much of muchness."

So again, all Tim had to do was come in, calm the ship, steer us through the seasons remainder whilst upholding the clubs reputation with an air of class and professionalism. If anyone feels he has done this, fine, for me, this is the whole reason he does not deserve the gig next season, he's learnt nothing in this one. And before the old "there not his players" argument rears it's head, what we saying keep Tim sack the squad. Not happening, football, same as in most companies will see a new manager come in and work on employee strengths and weaknesses, maybe tweaking in time as required. On top of this, most new managers I'm sure would be motivational with comments in an effort to build team spirit and unity in the hope it reaps rewards, happy workers are more productive. Just a thought.
cider spurs
Brilliant fortress selhurst park is yiddy. Twelfth man pulis, thirteenth man the crowd! Pulis could have sat in the stands stating the game was lost and there was nothing he could do to get anything from it! But no. He rallied the team and the fans with 11 minutes to go to get a point! Same motivational skills that Gus has at Sunderland, driving a team that should be at the bottom of the barrell regarding self belief, sitting bottom after losing to us, and facing city, Chelsea and United for survival! Brilliant man management from both! Don't want either at spurs by the way, but brilliant work all the same!

love to have that kind of atmosphere back at the lane. What a difference it would make!
Dublin Hotspur
James, in our DNA ....
Highgatespur
Dublin, we will .... one day .....
Highgatespur
Cider great post and hopefully the Mrs is recovering well...
Highgatespur
How's the patient cider? Home?
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin I'm just as frustrated mate. Things can only get better mate. Cider..hope the Mrs is ok. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Obviously don't want to turn the article into "how's my Missus." Yep, back home, nursed round the clock by myself. Long time to recover numerous fractures so lots of morphine. I'll not say anymore, but thanks to all you great people for asking, and apologies to those who do not like it when we deviate from football.
cider spurs
Good man! At least she's on the mend. No better man to mind her!
Dublin Hotspur
Great news Cider - keep doing a great job
Highgatespur
A poser if I may. If we could, both have been mentioned. Martinez or LVG. I know LVG looks united bound, won everywhere and comes with a pedigree but untried in the prem, or Martinez, got Everton playing well in a season, and prem experience. Any thoughts?.
cider spurs
cider good point. I seriously wouldn't mind either as it would mean an 100% improvement on the present. I'd prefer LvG out of the two.
Highgatespur
Happy with Martinez but he's just started his career with Everton. He seems a man with integrity and it will take a big sell for him to jump ship. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
LVG is another I desperately wanted at Spurs, but it soon wore off when LVG lost interest in us and opted for Utd instead. Can't blame him though. Ancelotti, Benitez, FDB, Low, Martinez would be choice of managers. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
James...I too thought Low a couple of weeks back. Think he's just signed a new contract with Germany, only takes a mediocre World cup for the wheels to fall off that though.
cider spurs
PJcoys-1882, You ask me "Pele, who bought the top players cashed in on?" Levy bought and sold the top players at the club during 14 seasons of on the pitch failure at THFC! Who has the worst trophy per season of any THFC chairman since world war two? LOSER Levy! Who has failed to reach a single FA Cup or European final in 14 seasons? LOSER Levy! Who has finished below the Arsenal in each and every season he has underachieved THFC, even during a period when the Arse were swamped in bank loan mortgage debt and were forced to sell many of their best players whilst THFC we debt free because Joe Lewis bottled it on the new stadium. MISSED THE BOAT! LOSER Levy! Who has failed to raise the budget to build the new stadium in 15 seasons? LOSER Levy! Who has got himself through 9 coaches, 3 DOF's, a new technical director and well over 100 pro footballers whilst the club have had an empty trophy cabinet for 13 out of 14 seasons ENIC have failed on and off the pitch? LOSER Levy! Who has failed to reach the Champions League for 14 out of 15 ENIC seasons, whilst the Arsenal and Chelsea are ever present in the competition? LOSER LEVY! Who became chairman of one of the top 2 clubs in London with his triple billionaire boss Joe Lewis and has since turned THFC into London's 3rd biggest club, in terms of on the pitch success, stadium revenue and merchandising revenue? LOSER Levy! Who sacked AVB and hired DIM? LOSER Levy! Who is about to let little WHUFC become London's 3rd biggest club in place of THFC when they move into the Olympic Stadium and receive major on the pitch investment if we don't get this ENIC football mercenary mob out before WHUFC move in to the OS? LOSER Levy... PJcoys-1882 you should take a close look at LOSER Levy's THFC CV before posting such in future. JOE LEWIS OUT!!!
Pele10
Jod, and how many times did McClaren win it on the trot? And did he not have management experience before he went there? Tim has no management experience at any level as the junior teams were coached by Isherwood until he went to Liverpool. You talk about logic, tell me what the "logic" is for appointing Sherwood in the first place, giving him an 18 month contract and after the shambolic performances against Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man. City, West Ham (twice), Norwich, West Brom, Benfica what is the "logic" in assuming he will be a better manager for us than others with experience of having done it? Of course logic requires certainty and without that it becomes just another opinion process which is why the favourite doesn't always win horse races. I never said I was using logic, just looking at facts and making an assumption, but I would back my assumption against yours if you think TS is a better choice, anyday. However, if Ghulamville is correct in what he is hearing it looks like I will never get to find out.
Harry-Kari
So Levy approached FdB about taking over after AVB was bummped out the door, he said he was commited to Ajax for the season, Tim is then installed as "interim coach" with 18month contract, which is the same lenght as his youth team coach contract with Spurs.

FdB then admits last weekend that spurs have apporached him ove rthe Spurs managers job and that he'll consider it after Ajax's last league game on Sunday. Spurs deny that they have recently apporahced FdB about taking over the Spurs management role. Sherwood thinks someone is lying? All I can see is that Spurs made an apporch to FdB he said speak to me after the season is over, spurs said okay, Tim got the job in the short term, plan was always to have FdB in charger "long term". FdB will get teh spurs job this summer. This being the case no-one is lying they are just being economical with the truth.
Slurms McKenzie
Dublin, this time last year all we talked about was whether Bale would stay or go!!!!
Slurms McKenzie
This year is whether Tim will stay or go, I'd say pretty much very little has changed!
Slurms McKenzie
That's a shame Cider. I heard that he could be looking for a new job after the WC. Maybe Klopp isn't quite ready yet. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Sherwood is not good enough to progress us as a club the way we want. He is still learning and we are not the club for him to keep learning. The role is too big for him. I don't know him as a person and I don't want to know him, all I can judge him on is on what I see and I don't like it.
Kong
Thanks for clearing that up slurms;).
would the same people who want Tim to stay have had opposing opinions to the masses on the bale situation?
Dublin Hotspur
James...Klopp could always come to Spurs and see if he can cut it as a manager. ;-)
cider spurs
Yes Dublin, Levy wanted to sell Bale and I'd bet money he wants Tim to stay!!! Its a bit unfair to call him a "mass" he's only a small man....
Slurms McKenzie
The worrying thing is, the vast majority wanted us to keep Bale, so Levy sold him. Now the vast majority want to get rid of Sherwood, Levy will probably keep him them ..... :-(
yiddyboy
If we are looking a Klopp why not also Ronald Koeman as he manages an also ran team in a one horse race league...
Slurms McKenzie
One game to go and then I'm declaring manager changes are so last season...Oh, wait a minute.
cider spurs
cider, I was hoping for Low as an outside bet , I see Leaonardo has been thrown into the possibility.... I hear Klopp is a promising young manager ...
Highgatespur
Cider hahahaha now we're talking. If only Spurs could sell it to him. Give him 5 year contract and full reign on football affairs. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Cider I'll be hoping poor managers are soo last season for spurs
Slurms McKenzie
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stephenspurs1210
PJ - Do you know Sherwood or want to know him?
Kong
Martinez OUT!.
cider spurs
PJ, when I said I judge him on what I see that included the football being played not just him, didn't come across in my post.
Kong
Have to say its been an awful season as a spurs fan, we were never good enough in the bulk of our games. Early season games were dull, turgid affairs but we were rarely beaten. Then we got a couple of good thumpings by Liverpool and City which started a trend for the top teams. Three defeats to the Spammers and Gooners in one season - damn my eyes! The only competition we looked half decent in was the early Europa league fixtures but then Tim threw the towel in early there as well. The beating we gave newcastle was the highlight of the season where actually played well for the full 90 minutes, Tim made some radical team selection choices (Dembele on the right wing!) but they paid off. Defeats to Norwich, Newcastle and Chelsea, double defeats by Liverpool and City. Points dropped against, Hull, Everton, and WBA (twice). A terrible goal difference on the teams around us. The plus points, drawing with chelsea at home is pretty weak and even taking four poitns off united was diluted by Moyes. I just want the season to end and hope to never see us perform so poorly again.
Slurms McKenzie
PJ1882 - yes Tim has played at the top level. He has England U-21 caps and 1 England B cap plus 3 full caps at age 30. FDB has 112 International caps, has played in 2 World Cups and 3 European Championships. Regarding vision I admit I haven't heard anything from Tim but that is one thing that doesn't help his case. With FdB there is a solid base of work on which he can be judged....with Tim what is there except what we have seen on the pitch and heard at press conferences, none of which really makes a case for keeping him when compared to other contenders.
Harry-Kari
I know PJ and I know why you are defending Sherwood. The only reason I asked about if you wanted to know him was based on your response to my earlier post about not agreeing about the personal bit, nothing important.
Kong
Bumped into a few of the managerial candidates down at my local supermarket yesterday. Typical blokes, loitering in the alcohol section. Maurico paunch from vino was questioning Drank as to why he liked de Beer. Drank did not understand a bloody word, something about sounding all Dutch to him.

Holtby made a fleeting appearance, told Drank that because he was German he could help with Drank's confusion, there's Pilsner for this he says. Being Dutch, Drank tells Holtby "on yer' bike." Lewis beats a hasty retweet.

Both Maurico paunch from vino and Drank de Beer now head to the cleaning product aisle. Drank elects to pick up some Flash detergent, in one swift counter attack Maurico paunch from vino replaces the Flash for what he considers would best serve Frank de Beer. A tube of Ajax, something about he always cleans up with Ajax, why change. A standoff ensues, they both want a slice of the cake. As luck would have it store security Mark Battenburg diffuses the situation and they proceed to the checkout.

Whilst at the till both result to finger pointing at one another once more, both asking the till assistant to sort the other one out. To which the till operator replies, " me, sort this mess out, take control of this situation?."

"I Sherwood!."
cider spurs
PJ1882 - yes the first post was directed at Jod. I have posted re: your response to that and in answer to your question regarding AVB vs TS I think they are about equal in terms of being the wrong manager for our club. One had a style of play that did not optimise the players available and the other has no style of play which does not optimise the players available. AVB is the type of manager like Mourinho that can win if he has top players available. TS seems to be the type of manager who would still have no idea what to do if he had top players available....not his fault he just hasn't had the experience and may not have the ability ever to manage at top level, but we should not have to endure his learning curve. Just for Jod, there is no logic being deployed here it's just opinion, like everybody else on here including him.
Harry-Kari
Lol anyone on Twitter go check out the beast. Modric is even giving Dim stick lol! Fecking priceless!
Mix26
HAHAHA!...This sums it all up. Taking credit for this, I'd have thought the less said the better. What does he watch?, does he watch?.

http://www.clubcall.com/tottenham-hotspur/boss-reveals-rose-switch-idea-1724550.html?
cider spurs
Pj. Net mums?
Dublin Hotspur
When will it end, can't stand the in-fighting, poor team selection, poor team performance, poor press conferences, poor results, poor defending, poor media leaks, poor selection process for the next candidate, poor liverpool title challenge, poor City winning the title, Poor United not challenging at all, Poor everton being the new pretenders to the Top four, Poor arsenal "winning" their annual title and possibly even winning an actual trophy this season:-(, Poor Chelscum just being poor and boring, Poor Jose acting like he's a victum, poor speculation over what poor world cup squad Roy will pick, while a poor Ireland squad sit at home. Poor me!!!
Slurms McKenzie
PJ1882, yes I admit I left out the EPL years and the same for FdB re Ajax and Barcelona (albeit only 18 months). I am not sure how relevant that is in the sense that Shearer played in the same team as Tim and in the EPL for years, but was a less than successful manager for Newcastle, albeit in a relegation struggle. Our Ossie played in the top division for years but was a hopeless manager and then there have been the likes of Lawrenson, Bruce, Hughes none of whom have amounted to much as managers but at least they have a body of work to review and it is that that is the difference between Tim and other candidates. Tim's body of work has a lot of holes in it, not just from performance but also man management. I agree with you regarding the insults directed at Tim and it is something I raised early in Tim's tenure. I wanted him to succeed but after Liverpool and City it became clear to me that he needed a lot more experience and he is not my choice to continue. I don't think I have insulted the guy, just given my view of events as I see them.
Harry-Kari
Topho, I mean PJ, I dispute the nomad mercenaries description for the players we signed, other then that its hard to argue with your assessment.
Slurms McKenzie
DUBLIN - Not hanging around, mate. re Netmums, you ARE correct in your suspicion. See ya fella.
coopsieyid
Cider - So Tim has messed up Rose's career
yiddyboy
Cider - still laughing at your comment "all he had to do was calm the ship". Oh the irony !!!
muttley
Why is it acceptable for Sherwood to insult people. Namely some of the players he is supposed to manage and improve ability wise. Whilst I don't agree with the Dim tag all the time, I do believe he is fair game to have his management ability to be pulled apart, he has insulted, he is now being insulted in different ways. Where is the difference?.
cider spurs
Know since the off coops;)
Dublin Hotspur
Slurms, I dispute the very start of you most recent post, apart from that its hard to argue with anything you say.
PJcoys-1882
PJ1882, fair enough but I think the credit crunch is about to bite.
Harry-Kari
I keep repeating this I don't care who our manager is I just want them to be competent and capable of doing the job and if they are i want them to be left alone to do the job. I have never booed my team and I never will as whoever is wearing the spurs shirt or is standing in dug out represents my team. However, I do not believe our performances over this season have been good enough to warrent Tim Sherwood being given another trasnfer window to hone a squad in his image. I point to the lack of consistency from game to game and even from half to half within games. Our tactical naivety against stronger and weaker opposition, Our poor defensive set-up, his insistence on not playing a defensive midfielder when we are being routinely carved apart by oppositon teams, our one trick pony build up play, our main striker still being allowed roam along the halfway line. banishing Erisken to the left wing , or playing Siggy or chaldi as central midfielders. I point to the complete decline in form of two of our top performers in the last couple of seasons in Sandro and Verts, not playing Townsend on the left wing but playing erisken there instead. relying on our Lb to be the threat down the left wing resulting in our LCB not have sufficent cover and assistence defensively and Rose invariably being out of position both in attack and defense. The debacle with Capoue and now Sandro because he "doesn't believe in defensive midfielders" well just like qualified coaches they are infact real
Slurms McKenzie
Coopsie - How are you? You must be getting excited as from Monday next week it is "Nonsense time" :-)
yiddyboy
When one is a professional footballer, does your ability need to be questioned publicly by the manager. Is questioning ones ability in public not considered somewhat an insult?.

I believe it is an insult on ones ability and professionalism. Add to this statements in the form of "much of muchness," and again I personally would find these comments more insulting than hurtful.

As stated, insultive behaviour can be disguised in various forms. Does not have to be a simple "Dim, or clueless." If calling Tim, Dim or clueless is considered insulting, how can it be that calling ones ability can be anything other than the same. Dim or clueless as a result of his actions, not good enough exactly the same conclusion, different way of arriving at the conclusion, but both can and should be considered insulting. If you give it out...
cider spurs
Yes Cider but we're still 6th with the potential to finish 7th still on the cards and thats the must insulting thing of all! And the three points we gifted West Ham secured their premiership survival and made their season salt in the wounds!
Slurms McKenzie
Cue the abuse ...

Tony Pullis ....

Thinking outside the box !!!!

ro6ertj
Or Poyet !
ro6ertj
That's my point. As soon as Tim made it public, in my mind it became an insult. Nature of the game dictates that footballers will come and go, but as soon as publicly stated that you're not good enough it has the potential to dissuade suitors to sign you.

Tim is called Dim or clueless as a result of some thinking he should shut up and team selections and formations. A by product of his performance. Sandro is called not good enough as a by product of his mediocre performances. As stated Dim is not needed, but it is only as a comparison as him not being good enough the same as his opinion on Sandro. Equilibrium ensues.
cider spurs
If only he was called Antonio Pulisimo...We'd be all over him.
cider spurs
PJcoys-1882, I do not paint a depressing picture! The depressing picture has been totally created by Joe Lewis and made reality by LOSER LEVY! You ask me that if I dislike it so much, why don't I give up supporting THFC? Give up the club I have been watching since I was a small child, because we have a infiltrator, a football mercenary(now at his 6th pro club) milking THFC it's fans and the local community. Quit the team I love because we currently have the chairman with the worst trophy percentage win rate of any THFC chairman in the last 60 years and a football mercenary who is about to milk the club I love for a cool half billion or more when he sells and leaves us with an empty trophy cabinet, and no CL Football??? Dream on ENIC apologist... WE WILL HAVE OUR TOTTENHAM BACK!!!
Pele10
Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me.

I'm sure Tim as heard worse in his playing days then the childish name calling he gets on here, I'm sure he hears worse bile spewed at him from opposition fans then "Dim", I sure he has heard worse then that from our fans on match days when we have been rolled over by the power houses of City, Liverpool and West Ham. Defending his honour from the inflammatory insults he recieves here on vital spurs while noble is ultimately pointless as I'm sure the next target will be wheeled in with great fan fair and runaway ambition.
Slurms McKenzie
FDB and Poch are the types of managers that would need maybe 2 to 3 seasons to oppose their playing styles at all levels of the club. Would DL or the fans have the patience to accept that? I doubt it. Both those managers have limited experience at the top end of the PL. Poch has taken Southampton from relegation certainties to a solid mid table, however his lack of English and the affair with Osvaldo would concern me as to whether he has enough influence and Gravitas with a more "high end" set of players.

FDB has much more gravitas gained from his experience as a top player + his success as Ajax manager. I wouldn't be opposed to him, but he is a "project" in so much that he has no PL experience as a manager, and hasn't won anything outside of the Dutch league. His European record is also a worry. He would need time and the fans would need to get on board with that.

On TS, I don't really understand the amount of vitriol fired at him from some, it's clearly over the top. TS was brought in as an interim to see out the season after the parting of the ways with AVB. He was given a 6 month contract with a further 12 months as assurance. That's fair enough. He stepped in, got us scoring goals and we won most of the games that we were expected to win. Any expectations of a top 4 finish were unreasonable. Saying that, he's not the man to take us forwards. He didn't have enough experience when he was appointed and still doesn't, he is also never going to get all of the players to believe in him enough, and that's really the rub of it. Without the players, the manager is lost, it doesn't matter who you are.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Firstly...Once more I will state that I do not believe name calling is required. That said the name most see as an insult is "DIM". This could be as a result of Tim's own failings. Fair?, maybe. Whilst not calling Sandro "Dim", Sherwood said Sandro was not good enough. Most probably as a result of Sandro's own failings. How can one be considered an insult and not the other. Both comments or names are as a result of failings. As for who said what first, I don't recall mentioning who I considered started it, more the fact that IMO, if Sherwood can question ones ability, why can we not?. Does it really come down to the word "DIM?."

DIM...A vague idea without many specifics, or, one who maybe not considered bright. Is this really insulting?, we all know this is his first managerial post in the prem, so surely some are correct in their ideology when calling him DIM, he is after all limited in managerial experience therefore maybe not considered as bright as others in this field. No insults there, just a mere statement of the way it is, the same as Tim's opinion of Sandro and his performance.
cider spurs
Slurms, i hereby resteth my defence in the case of Timothy Alan Sherwood.
PJcoys-1882
he said he was not good enough on current form Cider, that is a VERY different statement to the one you are creating by cutting what he actually said short by a few words...come on mate you are MUCH better than this....... "he is not good enough" "he is not good enough on current form" shall we play spot the difference? be fair mate, you usually are......................................Well said as usual Clevelend
PJcoys-1882
Everton has 3 top players on Loan.. they will return to their clubs.. can Everton afford to Buy Lukaku at £15 or 20m from Chavs.. or any other of the 3? as they will need to strengthen squad for Euro League. So Martinez could be enticed to WHL...
Block D Spurs
Ox, re the choice of 3 you suggest, my take would be....

Tim, NO! as per Shedboy, I fear the players have had enough time with him and their reaction thus far suggests they don't want to play for him, nor do they like the set up under him.

FDB...gets a big YES from me. Yes, I know we will start yet another project, but I like his philosophy (as long as Levy lets him get on with it long term) as he apparently likes to have the WHOLE of the footballing side (youth to senior squad) to play the same style and same approach. Which imo, makes it easier for players to adapt/integrate when being promoted from youth. Unlike TS, who was in charge of the youth, clearly his approach is not suited to the PL or the senior squad.

Mauricio...imo, if all fails a last resource option. Those that think he will be able to bring some of the Southampton players with him, imo, are deluded. Most of Southamption academy players are well nurtured and often turn out to be future super stars. We can't (Levy won't be able to ) afford them. For me Mauricio and Poulis are in the same bracket, i.e., they need to work with a better squad to demonstrate their ability.

Having said all that, I wouldn't at all be surprised that we may discover another candidate.....However, it needs to be resolved PDQ. COYS!
Critical_Spur
What about the rest of the team, only two considered good enough with Eriksen coming into the mix. The Sandro spat need not be exclusive. I stated weeks back that insults are not needed, but my whole point being is that it works both ways. I think where we will have to call a truce is on what we believe to be insulting behaviour. Maybe if he kept it in house we would not be having this conversation.
cider spurs
As for spot the difference. Yes mate, next season we will with a proper manager at the helm.
cider spurs
@Cider, we don't know what is going on behind the scenes at Spurs this season. IMO, I don't think that the players have really "bust a gut" for either TS or AVB. It may be that certain players didn't rate TS from the start and weren't prepared to give him the support or respect. For example We did hear through the media towards the beginning of TS's tenure that at least 2 players were late for training, then there is the mystery Lamela injury + the Verts shenanigans. The problems therefore may have run deep. TS doesn't deserve that. TS also doesn't seem the type to take a slight lying down, and being in a unique position at the club quite clearly didn't have any reservations for putting players in their place. E.g. Capoue, Pauli, the post game Chelski comments, Sandro. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, sometimes things need to come out into the open, sometimes it's counterproductive, but for me anyway there does seem to be a real problem with player attitude, apathy, and entitlement at the club. That's not all down to TS, but it has to change in order for Spurs to succeed.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Slurms....."Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me."

I disagree, Encyclopedia Britannia fell on my head in the school library.
cider spurs
i understand cider but the example you gave from sherwood was not an insult at all nor close to it, i am just asking you of all people to be fair. that's all, no need for a truce as one is clearly an insult and one is not, it's easy just to say..oh yes I see it and move on....and as for next yes yes we sure as hell have not have a great one at the helm any part of this season, ove to Levy
PJcoys-1882
I think with the utter collapse in expectations this season and the squad moral and motivation in disarray we are actually in a better position to begin a "Project" then we were when Harry handed the reigns over to AVB. Of the most likely candiates touted I like the look of FdB, Benetiz could be a good signing but like cider I would have concerns about an overly negative apporach (similar to AVB's start to this season) where we are set up not to loose games. Tim sherwood has performed better then Pochettino so I don't see how giving him the job is an improvement. Who ever gets the job has to be given sufficent time to mould the team into his style of football and he shoudl be given sufficent time and resources. The trasnfer dealings and format shoudl be spelled out clearly for whatever manager is appointed so we don't have a repeat of last summer where the manager doesn't get the player he wants and has others foisted on him instead.
<>br> Finally I believe that FdB was agreed in principal to become our manager last December once he saw out the season with his current club. I still fully expect him to be named as our new manager and look forward to a happier few months as a Spurs fan the the last nine were.
Slurms McKenzie
:-) That reminds me Cider, I came up with a brand name for steel cap boots a few years back, "Words" - advert would have been something along the lines of "Words, that can make a man cry" with the image of some thug leathering into some hapless fella while wearing his trusty "Words". Never took off...
Slurms McKenzie
Cleveland...I agree. At no point have i said this is all Tim's fault. My biggest bug bear with Tim is not his footballing management on the pitch, but the fallout of it. I can handle the wrong formations and selections here and there, all managers make the wrong call at times, but he needs to learn to rein the mouth in a bit.

As for the players, I think many got peeved off with my constant questioning of their commitment and desire after every post match article I posted, not solely Tim's fault, but as manager he is the one i am looking to in order to rectify the shortcomings, I'm not openly convinced he can do this, which leads me to ask, what has gone wrong that he is getting such a poor response. Weird, weird season. not one I would want to see a repeat of in the distant future.
cider spurs
I think you have to look a lot deeper to see what was the issue with Sandro and Sherwood. Being a manager is more than just taking training and picking a team. In any walk of life, being a manager is about creating an environment for your team to be happy and successful. It's about understanding how the relationship needs to work between manager and team member to be successful and every single relationship is different across the team.

I just think Tim simply struggles with these basic principles of life and I believe some of our players think he is a racist. Whether he is or isn't, nobody can argue that he has demonstrated over and over in these last few months he has no clue how to work with foreign players from different cultures, backgrounds, DNA's etc. Sherwood needs to remember that respect is earned and not guaranteed just because of what title you have on your office door. Personally, I think he has lost the dressing room especially the foreign contingent and we are at very high risk of them wanting out if he remains intact. That's a shame because with the right manager we could see them flourish.

Over and above that, what is becoming clear is that even though Levy is a strong business man he doesn't have the people skills to build great leadership teams within his company. He should consider outsourcing recruitment to people who read people better than himself and admit his weakness. It should have been a safe bet moving your technical director who you're supposed to know well into a hot seat for a while. How could he not see this coming when he had such day to day exposure of one of his leadership team is beyond me.
muttley
Here here Slurms! COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Slurms...Maybe you should have called my good self. How's about a slight change. Forget the Steel toe caps, erectile dysfunction mate, that's yer' way forward. Think we'd have to go with a poster campaign. Words...Don't come easy to me. Words, a tablet for all your erectile dysfunction needs.
cider spurs
muttley...About sums it up IMO.
cider spurs
@Cider, yes true, I know you're not castigating TS, however many are. The players have reacted poorly this season, and you're right, it is weird, and I don't really understand it. I think what with the high line, inverted wingers, squad rotation, trips to the arctic circle in November those post match articles were just a step too far for the players this season. "One out, all out":). Seriously though, I don't know what to think anymore, is it because the players arn't good enough? Do they have the wrong attitude? Is it all the manager's fault? Was the summer TF window a complete failure? Is the squad rotation wrong? Is our squad too big? Too small? Damned if I know, hopefully the next manager will fix it.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Cider, going public by insulting the players after the chelski game was the straw that broke the camel's back for me! Since then, my time for TS has been limited to put it generously. Mind you his comments before and after games or otherwise hasn't helped. I would love to ignore it but the man represents the club I love and invest in, so how can I ignore those comments? I have restrained myself from name calling or anything and I'm just glad one game and 6 days left ....

I take my hat off to the likes of you and Dublin for communicating with the poster who has insulted others on here most disgustingly before in their previous guise and now ... I can't bring myself to follow suit no matter what the goading... amazing that the poster survives on here despite the insults that is dished out.

Future boss ? don't know, don't care anyone else other than TS will be fine ... prefer the likes of FdB...
Highgatespur
Slurms the way TS responded so dismissively to the club's aspiration of Top Four said it all for me really... like your thinking on FdB - hope it comes true!!!
Highgatespur
@Muttley, I not sure it's the way you put it. TS is used to working with the youth teams. You can impose a certain level of discipline, "my way or the high way". A manager at that level has much more "power" than at senior level. Youth players know that they need the support of the manager to succeed, getting on the wrong side, could terminate a fledgling career. At senior level,, the dynamics are different, the players are the most valuable asset, they have more of the control, a manager needs to have more in his locker than the "stick" approach, he needs to be more of a diplomat, amongst other things. TS just isn't used to that due to his lack of experience, and maybe he doesn't have the right attributes to lead players in that environment, who knows? it's a bit unfair to label it as cultural ignorance though, especially when we don't know what is going on behind the scenes.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Cleveland...That last post of yours to me exactly sums up my views on this season. Almost 9 months played out and I'm unsure of our best 11, what are preferred formation is, who is Lamela, why some don't try.

So many questions, I just hope we are not placing all our hopes on a new false dawn next season and it comes to fruition that the new signings are not good enough, we should have sorted this part out this season. Never mind, always the optimist. If only I was more praiseworthy with my articles. Damn and blast.
cider spurs
Slurms, cider, I think inadvertently, this past season could be a source of information for those who want to know 'How not to run a football club'!! An embarrassment at every corner.
Highgatespur
You keep supporting our beautiful spurs pele. It's like an economy. Boom and bust. We are in recession, but as you say we will boom and bloom again! Never forget the 50 aside in fortismere fields playing for the spurs! We will be back! Boom! Bloom!
Dublin Hotspur
None will be our manager & for 3 reasons

Pochettino is overrated & has done no better than AVB or Sherwood,ridiculously Big NO
Frank De Boer $hit in Europe so a massive NO
Sherwood talks $hit like talking $hit is a good thing,so big big NO.

Benitez or Cappelo for me.When Harry met Sally,yes yes yes yes yes
Fanny adams
Danny Rose is rated by Tim Dim but Nice, that must be based on his training ground efforts, does Tim Dim but Nice watch him during a game, yes he scored for us a Stoke, that must be the first time his been out of position and something positive happenend, ball watching @ wet spam cost us and Kaboul got a red for it, arse away lost the ball to Ricky and gave up, he can't even find a team mate taking a throw in, useless, worst LB in the prem.
spu 4 life
Highgate...Topho has fallen out with many, however, It must be said that I have always been able to converse with him without either of us having to fall out but politely agree to disagree and move on. I set my stall out early stating that I do not do petty arguments and will not give them the time of day, far too insignificant in my life. He has respected that, and we have been fine, I have commented to himself on a few occasions that I thought he should not have maybe posted some things he did or the way he posted them, and to be fair, he openly admitted that at times it was a step too far.

I am not his keeper, and him not mine. Until he oversteps the mark with myself, I will converse with him the same as others. I'm an old fashioned chap who just wishes to get on with everybody. Never going to happen, but picking my replies and timing, goes a long way toward keeping it ticking along nicely for myself. if I wanted arguments, heck, as stated numerous times, I'd watch the soaps. No rights, no wrongs, just opinions, until someone aims something other than that at myself...All good in the hood bro, each and everyone of you. That's not to say i am not disgusted by the way some behave towards others on VS with their posts, but that is not my argument, and before some equate this stance of mine to being one of "if it does not affect me, who cares," Trust me, I do not sit on the fence on all matters. Certain individuals in life are scum regardless of whether they have affected mine or my families life or well being or not. Perspective, nothing more, nothing less.
cider spurs
Cider, the Danny rose link! Is Tim for real? Like scouting eriksen in wembley when he was actually playing in Denmark? The guy is now officially clutching at straws and, as he says himself, tells " porkies"! Has anyone told him how rubbish Danny rose is as a full back!??!
Dublin Hotspur
FA...Of course FDB sheits in Europe. He's Dutch. ;-)
cider spurs
Dublin...The latest is Sherwood supposedly telling Spurs it would be a mistake to sign Ashley Cole when we have Danny Rose. Media crap most probably, but what if it was not. LMFAO!.
cider spurs
I'm not historically a Benitez fan but I think he's the best man for the job at this time. Possibly the only one who ticks all the boxes, and I think he does, including stature of clubs he's used to working for, and that he's a real possible option. Pulis is impressing me so he's my next choice. He may currently lack on the pulling front, but if he's as good as I think he is, a year here and our top players will be telling their mates 'come and play for him!' Poyet is impressing as well but I see him as a slightly higher risk atm so I'm not advocating, just keeping an eye on him :) Our Board know him and should be a step ahead with their thinking. Definite no to Pocho - another AVB (without the quad or eyes from Chelsea), Moyes or Capello (styles don't suit).
jerkinmahjurgen
Muttley, totally and absolutely agree with every word of your last post re. people management.
Frank
Tim has insulted many of our players publicly, he has insulted us the fans, and himself long term... And just for you pj...

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Dublin Hotspur
sorry PJ, just for you! error on last link!

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Dublin Hotspur
jod.... I would query your post re Martinez and Rodgers not being in the EL this season as the reason for then doing so well. Do you not think that, in Rodgers' case, he has had another year to get his team playing as a team. With Martinez he took on a regular top 6/7 well drilled team and improved their attacking prowess. I'm not sure both can be attributed solely to the lack of european football .
longtimespur
Lack of Europa League didn't help Fulham, Cardiff and probably Norwich from getting relegated. It didn't help the other 12 teams in the league break into the top 4 either. We just have to get used to, and on with the idea of playing 2 games a week. We need European football, and if we don't get CL, then the Europa (flaws and all) is a must.

As for our next manager? Realistically, I wouldn't mind FDB, Moyes or Benitez (Although I've never liked the guy!). Although we can probably scratch Moyes off the list because he'll get the famous Spurs fans vitriol with both barrels, and that's before a game has been played. Pochettino might be worth a risk, but if he doesn't set the world on fire in his first couple of games ... see reaction for Moyes.

So, cheers Tim. No way you should have been in this position and you certainly didn't do yourself any favours whenever you opened your mouth. Not your fault Danny Boy is trigger-happy, and not your fault you were out of your depth. But thanks all the same, and best of luck in your next job.
SpursEagle
Cleveland and lets not remember ref players esp the top ones, when all looked like we would not make top4 a wold cup looming in of all places the once in a lifetime Brazil I can understand (but would not agree with) why they might want to stay fit but stop putting their foot in, possibly Paulinho more than most..........Cider sorry had to dash out, forgot where we were, possibly it had run it's course, I know at heart we both want the same thing in and around this place, big respect to you........... Fanny are there two Sherwoods on your short list? if yes which one is worse and which one is Tim?
PJcoys-1882
@PJ, the World Cup has proved a problem for our club this season for sure. Too many internationals worried about their places on the plane, not enough willing to concentrate on their "bread and butter".
Cleveland ARTSPURS
There is a very good chance we will finish seventh! Worst position for years, no Europe to look forward to or entice a new quality manager or hold players! Hopefully hull show the passion palace displayed last night!
Dublin Hotspur
SpursEagle, to the core and well put, I really don't envy Levy's next victim. Having said that, that nice payout at the end....
ItalianYiddo
spurs eagle your wish for us to get use to 2 games per week (thursday/sunday) will cost us CL qualification for years ahead. the EL is the 2nd division of european football and is seen that way by all top players, their egos alone would make them avoid it like the plague....., i would like to see you sit down with ten top players and sell them why they should come any play second division football when other clubs can offer first division, this competition will hurt us for years to come. Dublin the same for top managers, no top manager is in the slightest bit interested in the euro 2nd division, flying all over europe early in the prem season playing meaningless games against rank opposition in half empty stadiums, no top manager will come to spurs for that. to me this is so obvious i cant see how anyone cant get it.
PJcoys-1882
i would say 7th gets us a better chance of a better manager than 6th, the same for top players.
PJcoys-1882
No doubt European football is a drain on resources but at the same time when you have our size squad it can be done. The extra income, experience and exposure is not to be sniffed at, plus a CL place for the winner must be worth going for. I don't but the EL poisened chalice theory, without it I also see it as a minus in attracting players.
ItalianYiddo
i think united know if they want 6th or 7th look at their team tonight de Gea 25 Antonio Valencia 28 Büttner 26 Kagawa 12 Smalling 04 Jones (Vidic - 22' ) 44 Januzaj 16 Carrick 47 Wilson 31 Fellaini Booked 34 Lawrence
PJcoys-1882
PJ, Juventus-Benfica 50,000 sell out. Once you get past the qualifing rounds there are some jucy games.
ItalianYiddo
italian i would put a large wager on the fact that being in the EL will actually put top players off rather than attract them, you cant seriously believe a top player would choose EL over CL, who on earth wants to get on a plane to Moldova? come on man.
PJcoys-1882
Never understand why Thursday/Sunday is that much worse than Wednesday/Saturday.
ItalianYiddo
we just need to hope TS gives you lot what you all crave ffom him sunday, ammo....and that united dont take the reserves down to soton and the Potti is told he has a chance of our job if he loses to man u, if not we step back 5 years or more into the wllderness of 2nd division football
PJcoys-1882
Not necessarily a top player, we won't get many regardless we don't pay the wages, but a prospective talent. What incentive would there be for a young player to come with us with no European football? He would never get a game.
ItalianYiddo
Mauricio Pochettino will be huge risk, as would RDB if levy wont give them time, its mission impossible
123spurs
Italian -- Yeah, that pay off sure softens the blow! And I agree with you on European football being a must for us. If not for footballing reasons, then for Dublin Hotspur. He has to have a date for his Tottenham themed jolly-up so his missus will consent :)
SpursEagle
Talking of not getting a game, why isn't Bentaleb getting a look in these days? From playing every game against the likes of Arsenal, City and Pool to not getting a game against Sunderland, Stoke, West Brom. Fulham and West Ham, bit odd isn't it?
ItalianYiddo
Italian you think Van Gaal wants to get on that plane to Moldova? bollox does he, you take a look at the united team tonight and you tell me how much they want 6th? Italian i am not saying it is worse of course its not but if you have thursday sunday you have crap all chance of getting wednesday saturday...that is so obvious it hurts, are you aware all six of chelsea's defeats this season have come the weekend before a CL game, is that a coincidence or that the focus is elsewhere even with a squad that strong...wake up
PJcoys-1882
we need EL no matter what, whoever doesnt see it like that is cluless.
123spurs
123 -- The Spurs job may be Mission Impossible period!

I wonder could we persuade Tom Cruise to take his badges ...
SpursEagle
ps Italian, what did you think about what De Boer said about Italian football?
PJcoys-1882
I know Dublin had his heart set on that Turin trip, me too, I talked my wife into the trip with me but wasn't to be. I love the big European nights.
ItalianYiddo
Same as that, Italian. I've always loved the European nights, and craved them when we were too crap to qualify for over a decade.
SpursEagle
fa cup and carling cup Italian, its not difficult to understand is it? who knows ref bentelab ask AVB you rate him, you can get cheap phone cards to russia
PJcoys-1882
why are ppl sayin A class mangers when we are far from A class, why would they lower themselfs and come to us, i dont get it, its like trying to go on 5 star holiday and ur only on hte minimun wage, it just doesnt happen,
123spurs
The Europa league could be our best chance of champions league football. The winners next year get a champions league spot so that might be a better option for us.
In-spurs-ational
PJ, regarding top players and a managers view on EL, this article argues both sides.. make your own mind up, but my reading is Lloris wants to be in it rather than not!

http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/tottenham-hotspur/tottenham-hotspur/why_europa_league_qualification_may_not_be_entirely_bad_news_for_spurs_1_3571493
Dublin Hotspur
Delusions of grandeur, PJ if you think we are on the same level as United. What did De Boer say about Italian football?
ItalianYiddo
Bentaleb, AVB? phone cards? Stop rambling man you don't make sense
ItalianYiddo
Italian, take her to Moldova next season, sure she's love a big night over there, Dublin Lloris will be off like a shot the first CL team makes him an offer this summr want £100 on it?
PJcoys-1882
You are right on the last one 123
ItalianYiddo
Spurs eagle, IY, thank you for remembering;0
its not often I get to a game these days, and looks like Turin could have been a reality if we played a good hand at WHL V benfica!, however, the wife has taken pity and allowed me out on a flight for King Ledleys Innauguration! not a long trip for you guys I'm sure, but I can't feckin wait! Do wish it was in Glorious Europe though! No guarantees of anything, if were in it or not, but I wanna be in it! we need to be in it!
Dublin Hotspur
he said it was crap and he wouldn't want to manage there. who said we are on the same level and Man U italian? i see you just mentioned it
PJcoys-1882
Is that what he said? I am sure Dutch football is a lot better, not from winning World Cups or Euros of course, don't think they have won many, but I suppose actually winning something can be seen as overrated.
ItalianYiddo
PJ, he can't go unless levi lets him go. I won't bet on that as I don't trust Levi with my money! however, the article wasn't put to you to have a bet, it was to highlight the view of the tournament from a players (Top players) view especially once the stupid stage is done with and the proper tournament starts. you should have a chat with Jod on this topic, he will agree with you.

actually PJ, we could have a small wager that Lloris won't be gone, maybe €10, we could go double or quits on that golf match you promised me before. I'll pay for the golf!
Dublin Hotspur
whoever we get, if levy plays the same game as before, the manager will not give a toss and it will be ground hogday again
123spurs
get in there 3-1 to united, still a chance of 7th, bring it on Tim.
PJcoys-1882
What is it with English people and Sunday? I don't understand either why Thursday/Sunday is that much worse than Wednesday/Saturday.
logos8
PJ, you are the one that brought United and LVG in this discussion. I can see EL being a hindrance to United they will spend big and pay big wages to get back in the title race.
ItalianYiddo
can Tim really be as bad as to take us back to where AVB had us? is he really as bad as you all say he is, can he take us as low as the master had us? go for it Tim, be the equal of AVB you can do it, put the kids out, plus those who dont want to get hurt in advance of the world cup...be as bad you are so so close....lord that must take some doing.....
PJcoys-1882
what's difficult to understand with the EL....it represented just over half of our PL gate receipt revenue in 2012...it pays wages and provides exposure...of course channel 5 is worthless...that's why they give their 30 second slot advertising away for free...don't they? we just get hours of coverage and only a moron(s) wouldn't be able to use that for the betterment of our club....and if we don't want to take it seriously just send the kids and players that need fitness...go out at the first hurdle..so much easier than actually managing resources properly...
shedboy2
Cant believe people really want us to finish 7th and fail… finish with nothing this season! really believe we will win the league with no EL? rubbish… we will have no players left lads! gotta pray we beat villa and Utd lose on Sunday, seriously bad news losing to the hammers on saturday!
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin if he wants to go it will happen, cant keep an unhappy player, offer of bet still on. i didn't read the article sorry if its about the EL i cant be asked. i dont need anyone to agree with me. When did we talk about golf? I have never played the game.
PJcoys-1882
I am more worried about what Levy does when a new manager comes in rather than who comes in. No matter how talented the new guy will be, if the board doesn't support him in what he wants to do when it comes to players going out and in, he might not do the best job that he can. In that respect, maybe a man who can adapt to the players he is given rather than viceversa would be more suited option than anything else.

I am also worried about the fact that de boeur basically said that Tottenham actually did talk with Ajax. That makes Levy a liar and just shows what kind of man he is. Good managers should love the challenge of taking Spurs from 6th or 7th and finishing second, like Rodgers did with Liverpool, but they are most likely to want to avoid Levy. I am starting to think he is our biggest problem.

On another note, I would have loved Liverpool to win the title so that we would have a chance with Pelegrini. His style would suit the Spurs tradition and he is not that cocky to refuse to take a step at a lower level. He went much lower from Real Madrid to Malaga.
logos8
Dublin, I am sure the players will want to put on a show for the fans, they know Sherwood won't be there next season.
ItalianYiddo
Dublin, stop trying to catch him out :)
Kong
123 i must be clueless because i would take 7th this year iin a heartbeat to miss the EL next season, because i genuinely think it will help us move forward, worked ok for liverpool this year, that's what I call clueless.
PJcoys-1882
Have a read PJ, be arsewd! its a fair read on both sides of the debate. You say you care about spurs, put an opinion out, but can't be bothered to read what players say about your point! oh, and I invited you for a game around the time you made your sole trip to watch spurs at Norwich! still happy to play ya!
Dublin Hotspur
Logos -- Regarding your first point, sounds like Moyes is that man. A guy who can adapt to the players we have. But whoever it is, they will need more than 4 months (AVB) or 8 months (Moyes himself).

But we know Levy is an impatient bollix, and that can be said for a majority of our fans too. On another note, anyone else watching the match last night wishing we had a similar atmosphere as they do at Selhurst Park? That was truly unbelievable!

As for Europe, hypothetic situation here ... what if we, like some people want, we finish seventh and their theory pans out and we finish top 4 next season. What then? Do we bitch and moan about the Champions League and having to play two games a week because it's affecting our League form? Do we start hoping we lose all our group games because qualifying will bring more games, or God forbid we finish third and end up in the Europa League anyway!
SpursEagle
Dublin, I don't know many who don't want the EL next year - the most I hear about it is on here - it's really a no brainer.... I think manure will draw v soton on Sunday as for us - who knows ?!!! The European players do hold the competition - highly I really don't think we can afford to turn out noses up at any competitions ... imagine if we had the Cup final to look forward to mow or if we had the EL final coming up or even the Cap1 holders ... how I wish... winning breeds winners...
Highgatespur
1st of all who ever comes in will need to be able to take more than 1 point out of 24 points available from any of the top 4 teams. That means winning at the Lane at the very least against Chavs, Scum, Citeh and who ever else is fighting with us for 4th Place. 2nd we have to be able to amass between 79 and 83 points if we are to finish in the top 4. Having a club record of 72 points is not enough anymore. 3rd - having a goal difference of just +1 needs to be addressed which means the defence can not allow anymore 4-0, 5-0, 6-0, defeats or defeats of that size anymore. Off the pitch the Manager chooses the players coming in, not anyone else, neither the chartered accountant in charge of the club or Franco Balls it up Dini. 5th - Build from youth and let them cut their teeth on the League and FA Cup - 6th Find players who want to play for the shirt not for their salary, and go down to Southampton and find us another Bale!
OyVeh Maria
logos, he was sacked at Real. But like you might be suggesting I like what I see of him, intelligent and very respectful.
PJcoys-1882
Just read that Thudd will be coming ... many well wishers for the Saturday then ....
Highgatespur
The Palace crowd have being magnificent even when it was looking grim for them.
ItalianYiddo
Eagle, said the same re Selhurst Park last night! awesome atmosphere!
BTW, I'll bet my right one that Utd beat us to 6th, buy a few players, LVG takes them to win the EL while they finish 5th while "gelling" and get back into the CL!
Dublin Hotspur
Missing out on Europe doesn't excite me. It's shirking. Hiding. Doing a Pauline or Adele in the wall. There are no guarantees your league form will benefit. No substantial evidence that it's detrimental to league form. No getting to grips with playing twice a week and in different climates and against different styles. Even if you don't take it seriously it's a chance to give games to fringe/youth/returning players. It costs some prize money and a little prestige, every place you lose. We speak of logic? If not 4th... 5th? Seventh?!! That's outside my simple peaceful little box. It's Far King Algebra.l
jerkinmahjurgen
SpursEagle- finish 7th and we'll have too many players to keep happy...so we lose players...some miracle we get top4 next season...then we have to run out and buy a load of players to be able to compete twice a week (see gelling arguments)...it's folly. And of course it's just an excuse..there are a number of factors in pool doing well this year...most notably they have a decent manager!
shedboy2
Oyveh -- Point 1, Agree

2 -- Not so sure. Those points tallies have a way of fluctuating, but I see your point.

3 -- Agree

4 -- You seem to have skipped this point!

5 -- Build from Youth? Hmm, I would agree, but have you seen how our fans treat our youth when they don't play like Ronaldo right from the off?

6 -- Hell yes!
SpursEagle
Nice to hear from Oyveh - good points .... but do the players do about Spurs ? and what about not making derogatory comments to the cameras ?!
Highgatespur
And a board that didnt sack him for finishing 7th
ItalianYiddo
Yep, agree Shed. If the Europa is too much to take on, then we should just aim for seventh every year, because we wont be able to handle the Champions League and it's implications.
SpursEagle
Se- what worries me is perhaps mid table is our ambition!
shedboy2
Argh, Shed, I'd hate to return to those days. I make a point of reminding myself of them in seasons like the one we've just had. It reminds me that things are not as bad as we think they are.
SpursEagle
I think it deserves a poll, Europa, Yes please or No Way. I'm sure Levy will vote yes please.
ItalianYiddo
Dublin I have read so many articles on the subject and probably read 100 articles on here when its been debated at length. Based on all that data I have come to my own conclusion and that is we should have one year out of the EL to try to make a very good run at the top four to get into the CL, which is the step up we can take, the EL is NOT a step up for us, it is status quo at best, we have it now. I want us to improve. Some say we must be in the EL next year because the winner gets CL, well how many teams start off in the EL (lots) and how many can win it (one)? I know that four times as many teams can get top4 and therefore CL via the EPL, the odds are stacked in its favour as the route to CL. and Liverpool have shown us all how to do it this season. My opinion differs to yours and many others on here but I genuinely respect your views, I am a flexible chap with a very open mind, my mind was open on this for quite sometime, but again I believe it in the best long term interest of THFC to opt out of EL for this coming season because we stand a better chance of getting TOP4 via th EPL than the EL. Happy to have that 10 wager on if a CL side makes a genuine bid for Lloris in this coming window he will go. My money would be on Barca if their ban is lifted. I would bet the same for both Verts and Paulinho. and I would also bet that the reason for all 3 would be NOTHING to do with Sherwood.
PJcoys-1882
You need a third option to make it exciting, Italian.

Yes Please, No way or Sherwood out.
SpursEagle
Sign Bolasie. A must.
jerkinmahjurgen
OK PJ, fair enough! if you won't play golf, if I lose the bet I'll but you 1.78 pints in my local or probably 3 pints in yours! Not being in Europe will IMO be more damaging than being in it, we are at a crossroads, and the 3 other roads don't look like a scenic ride!
Dublin Hotspur
IY - probably the answer re Bentaleb is "Que ?" LOL!!! the magical mystical tour of WHL....
Highgatespur
Highgate, I am genuinely intrigued
ItalianYiddo
Thought Mnday was a sell out - apparently not - I heard some people were turned away for a ticket - hope the man is introduced during the night...
Highgatespur
No i think he meant the Italian league was crap, I tend to agree with him. But I have never liked dull football which appears to come from the playing not to lose starting point, cant argue the fact that it can get you success. I didn't say we were on par with United Italian, if i did show me please.
PJcoys-1882
IY - I have been intrigued for a while now - you do know my theory - I can't see nor hear any different ....
Highgatespur
Dublin & Italian -- I agree. Even when they looked like breaking the record for the lowest points total in PL history, those Palace fans were awesome.
SpursEagle
Sherwood out? The last one out please dim the lights.
ItalianYiddo
sign pace Jerk? no way, I think there were some wise folk on here before the last summer window saying we need to buy pace, did we look slow this season to you? I think they might have been spot on don't you?
PJcoys-1882
daniel levy just leave anything after him will be an improvement.
Uskok
we will see soon enough Dublin and the bet is on. Hope I lose.
PJcoys-1882
Venky's?

The Leeds crowd under Risdale?

Vincent Tan?

Careful what you wish for and all that, Uskok! lol
SpursEagle
Spurseagle, that's the beauty of having no expectations of staying up! This is the first time they've done so in the PL!!
Highgatespur
Maybe, Highgate. Either way, we could do a lot worse than to follow their example.
SpursEagle
I am not dissing them - I'm just saying maybe it's a good example of seeing what happens when keeping the pressure off players .... total transformation.... Well done to them!
Highgatespur
lol Highgate. I didn't get the impression you were dissing them at all.

Here's hoping we finish the season off with a good home win
SpursEagle
I hope so SpursEagle - I hope the team doesn't suffer from any brainwaves in its selection....
Highgatespur
Yeah, High. Nice win and we can all draw a line under the season's disappointments, hopefully learning from the mistakes in the process. Although, I'm getting a dose of deja vu typing that, so I won't hold my breath too long ...
SpursEagle
by not been in EL its like putting all our eggs in one basket, lets say like this season no chance of top and no EL, or no chance of top 4 but still in the EL?, if a manager doesnt want to travel to moldova then he aint the manager for us, we pay hes high wage.
123spurs
SpursEagle - we gotta believe we just got to believe!!!! It certainly has been an annus horribilis for us this this year as Lizzie once said! COYMS!!!!
Highgatespur
Highgate, I am seriously intrigued by what to expect in our final game. I'd be very interested in Oyveh match article. Potentially the last match in charge for TS, may be the most bizarre line-up?, bizarre subs?, most vocal interview?. Need Jenas to throw a bucket of water on TS!. Don't know what to expect. Rather than looking forward to the last game, sadly, I can't wait for the season to end so that I CAN look forward to the next season! Still COYS!
Critical_Spur
Critical - as usual we are all glutton for punishment ...with me in line for some more... I hope that we all will be relaxed after Levy's announcement of managerial changes - TS deserves a send off worthy of his time here as the boss....

Gomes at GK Azza at LB; Pritchard and Paulinho at CBs; Siggy at RB; Walker at CM with EA and Solly; Naughton at RW; Daws at LW and Carlos as CF; Nabil as unused sub!!!

Lets see.... LOL ... nominate Verts Sandro and Lamela for the water thrower role with EA as the protector!!! With WHL bursting its lungs with "We don't want you to stay oh Timmy we don't want you to stay...." Better stop there before I get accused of treason.... Still undecided so some on Daniel....you've heard the song:
Come on Tottenham make some noise
We don't want boring Moyes...
We want F...d...B we want F...d...B

COYMS!!!!
Highgatespur
ya lets all laugh @ TS be even more funnier if we fin below 6th, how would haters feels then, shame the players didnt show the same passion as u did on the touchline. COYtS
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Apologies if this was posted earlier yesterday - but very interesting take by a fellow Spurs man, on Carlos Rose by TS (thanks to HH)

Tim’s in bold.
"I’ve gone into remission.

The fans want to improve all the time but there’s no guarantee that someone’s going to come in from the outside and be any better than Danny Rose or any other player.

Er… so based on your logic Tim, despite being a multimillion pound business, we should simply put up with muck. Fear the unknown.

Danny’s done well. He’s only young and he’s still learning. He went out on loan last season and proved himself in the Premier League against our opposition.

Has Danny done well, if so compared to what? Is he learning, as in advancing, really? And you say he’s “proved himself”? Again, compared to who?

He had to go out and do that at Sunderland and it was a good development phase for him. But he’s still got things to learn and he appreciates that, and he works hard to try to get better. He needs to improve all different factors of his game.

By different factors, what specifically do you mean? I see no indication that he’s even mastered the basics of defending and his distribution upfield is routinely woeful.

Don’t forget that Danny’s only been a left-back for a few seasons. I had a chat with him probably three or four years ago and said that, in my opinion, if he was going to play at the top level in the Premier League, he needed to switch his position to play left-back. At first he was a little apprehensive but he’s bought into it.

So, beyond you taking credit for the fact you moved him from an anonymous and ineffectual midfielder to being a fundamentally inadequate left back, what are you actually telling us?

I just thought he should follow the same pathway that Ashley Cole did. When he was a young kid at Arsenal he was a winger and then he got pushed back to play at left-back and he’s been fantastic, and I think Danny’s going the same way.

Oh ffs."

No wonder Fryers had no game time this year behind this protege.... mystery solved - well at least one of them!

Highgatespur
enjoy ur last game. at the lane, you accepted the role ,fin 6th is no shame, the haters are lame, when you win they have been tame, some are insame, all will blame, when you came. lets hope the new man aint the same, that would be a crying game, just remeber we are tottenham from the lane.
123spurs
so basicually Highgatespur, danny rose is the next G.BALE
123spurs
"their needs to be a thorough investigation into that twitter leak late last night.find the offender and sack him/her.this makes our club look classless," ghulamville


If you're writing about "our club" shouldn't you be writing on the Liverpool site? Or are things too depressing over there, ghulam?

Falstaff the Fool
Good one FtF ... how are things in NYC ?!
Highgatespur
I'd like to expand the discussion of possible managers of THFC to include me. Granted, I don't have any coaching badges, but then neither does Timmy, and that didn't prove to be a problem in hiring him. I'd be happy to take the same salary as Timmy, as it would be a nice salary boost over what I'm making now, and even if fired, I'd be bringing in a nice bundle towards my retirement, and that promise is enough to induce my signature on a contract.


I'd also bring something Timmy hasn't--a formation on which the players could concentrate from the first day and for which other clubs are completely unprepared: the 4-6-0. The advantages are so obvious that I need not go into them here and now. And I'd forget about the high line and replace it with a line to get us high, which would mean we'd have the most satisfied roster in the world.


The first month of training would be on the beach in front of my house in Brazil, which should please the players generally and discourage them from wanting to move to other clubs, and surely it would give us a large leg up (and with any luck, a leg over) in recruiting Brazilian players to the club. And I'd invite a number of English and other EU girls over to the beach while the players are there, so that marriages could result and thus solve the residency problems in bring the Brazilian players to the UK to play for us. There are some other advantages to giving me the job, but that's enough detail for now to get my candidacy out and into the discussion. I hope you all will begin an email campaign to DL to get him thinking about me as the next THFC manager.

Falstaff the Fool
Hello Highgatespur, I running out the string on my time in NYC and preparing to go to Brazil in a couple of weeks. I'll be there for about three months, so my mind already is there. lol. But NYC is nice this time of year. Spring weather, people coming out from their apartments after fleeing ice and snow for the winter. But I'd still rather be on my beach in Pernambuco.
Falstaff the Fool
Great - not that much of a novel idea though I fear ... reckon Emmanuel's already there - has been there for at least a month I reckon... brilliant FtF ... great way to bid you a good night! I will be emailing Dan the man in the morning... problem solved - good night.
Highgatespur
G'night, mate.
Falstaff the Fool
that weak was epic, just banter at the end of the day,as we get it every year
123spurs
*leak
123spurs
even BR is throwing in the towel an it aint even over yet, shame on him
123spurs
its fair to say BR has no plan B
123spurs
Carry on posting Ghulam:) Come back Man On! Maybe, 123, but BR may just have been playing all out attack. I agree, we've yet to see him change tactics but it doesn't mean he can't. And if Suarez was on form against Palace they may well have wrapped it up playing like they were. Also I don't think Liverpools defenders are BR type players. He likes to play from the back, but injury-prone Agger aside, their center-backs are all boot-it-out-hard prison lookalikes. Whoever we do get as manager, we'll have to try to warm to them and pick out any positives. Or we're just terrible critics. Moyes is the only one I'll really struggle with. Well, there has to be one, doesn't there?
jerkinmahjurgen
Silly question but what has happened to good old MAN ON!? COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Highgate Fryers had more playing time under Sherwood than he did under AVB, its one of those fact things. Damn do they get in the way of a good old fashioned put down at times.......So let me understand this, when sherwood says something "bad" to a player not playing well enough to get in the side he gets insulted and when he says something good about a young player to try to build his confidence he gets insulted too. Full of intelligence this place and you appear to be outsripping everyone in postings Highgate, carry on with the insults mate it appears to suit you. jamesaka, Man On got fed up with the constant and repeating insults towards the manager and various other peops, its a small group and it's a very sad way to be, lots of good about this club and lots of obvious stuff about Sherwood but the constant abuse aimed at him is pathetic. Man on had a rare knack on here, to stay honest and positive, what great qualities they are, any takers?
PJcoys-1882
swap soldado for suarez and how much worse would TS be than BR and how many points would we be adrift of Liverpool if any?
PJcoys-1882
Good point PJ, about the swapping of the strikers, that would be very interesting. The true test for Liverpool and Rodgers will be next season.
Kong
yes Kong, i think that would net us about 20 goals, i suppose some maths could be done here, how many points per goal have we got now and how many would we have had swapping the two "goalscorers" can you remember what they both cost their clubs? agree ref next season, it was harder this season than last at the top end, but will be harder again as all must surely strengthen, how do we not let the gap grow larger?
PJcoys-1882
PJ, an extra 20 goals would have put us in the top 4 for sure and even challenging for the title. We need the right manager appointment and buying the right players. If we get things wrong for next season then there will be serious problems.
Kong
7th of may and LVg is Manu manager...no surprise there...De Boer was just too honest for Levy so we'll fudge the manager appointment again...Harry was right, we never had it so good....doesn't look like it'll be back for some time...
shedboy2
or new purchases netted around 90 goals between them last season. not being played correctly has cost us more than swapping strikers with other clubs. do we think Suarez would get his required distribution from our defence, midfield or wings? doubt it the way we are set up playing. he would be turned rotten like the rest of the team. just looked at the table there, we have scored 12 goals in the last 6, let in 11. GD +1. same diff as scoring less and conceding less I guess. Anyway, Suaerz wouldn't come to a club facing 7th with no European football to look forward to. or any other decent striker for that matter, could be a problem. I think Ade will be gone, Robbie will hopefully stay, then its Kane and Co. to rely on!
Dublin Hotspur
Some reports coming out that we will not pursue our interest in De Boer due to potentially high compensation demands. Wouldn't surprise me the way Levy works.
Kong
Dublin, Suarez can create goals for himself rather than rely on others. You are right that he probably would have turned rotten with us and not produced the goods, always happens to us.
Kong
shedboy2, I am still in hope.... the announcement has to be soon... doesn't it ?
Highgatespur
shedboy2, furthermore the manure announcement really does show how far we need to develop our strategic leadership - what was the point of the December events.... it is unbelievable.
Highgatespur
Kong, Dublin, I don't find it quite a surprise really that everyone seems to be overlooking that L'pool conceded 3 goals in 11 minutes the other night to further fall behind what they had in their hands until a game before in their own backyard - can you imagine the uproar if it was Spurs who was throwing away the PL Championship in such a manner. Over achieved or not - the L'pool seem to have thrown away a BIG opportunity despite just concentrating on PL.

I can't really imagine Saurez in a Spurs shirt under any circumstances!!! I look forward to next season when hopefully our trust and the deployment of our resources will be repaid with aplenty.
Highgatespur
I have no problem with Sherwood benching a player who is not performing, in his opinion, as manager that is his right, but I do object when a player is benched because of the style of game he plays and a less effective option who is not playing well is perferred over them and is then asked to play out of position. My big gripe with Sherwood is not the players he benches its the ones he selects and where he plays them, thats a lot harder to defend!
Slurms McKenzie
Highgate, wouldn't want him in a spurs shirt either. wouldn't need him if we just used our strikers, midfield, wings and defence properly! we have a shedload of talent, including 7 new signings with a shed load of goals and assists last season
Soldado: Valencia and Spain 12/13: apps 51 (8 as sub), Goals 34, assists 6
Lamela: Roma 12/13: Apps 36, Goals 15, assists, 5
Eriksen:Ajax and Denmark 12/13: Apps 39, goals 11, assists, 6
Paulinho: Corinthians and brazil 12/13: Apps 36, Goals 15, Assists, 5
Chiriches: Stau Bucharest and Romania 12/13: Apps 23, goals 3, Assists 1
Capoue: Toulouse and France 12/13: Apps 39, Goals 8, Assists 3
Chadli: Twente and Belgium 12/13: Apps 33, goals 19, assists 1.

Thats 105 goals between them for club and country! + their assists! we don't need a Suarez in the team, we need a manager who can get these guys doing what they did last season, together, for Spurs!!!!!! enuff said!!!
Dublin Hotspur
Slurms, it has been so frustrating to be at the games ... I wish I had the ill power to stay away and watch it from the settee - I fear it'd've been worse!!! LOL!!!
Highgatespur
Dublin, fully with you .... Besides repeating all back to you... I will just say "we need a manager who can get these guys doing what they did last season, together, for Spurs!!!!!! enuff said!!!" back at you!!

No one seems to be talking about 3 goals in 11 minutes in the same ferocity as one would expect from a tam with the title within their grasp!!!

Waiting for the news!!! take care mate!
Highgatespur
Lloris in Goal
Walker (or new) RB, Vlad CB, Verts CB, New LB
Capoue/ Sandro/ Paulinho Mids
Eriksen/ Lamela/ Chadli behind
Robbie. Everyone else as back up or as required. Thats a strong core 12 to choose from!
Dublin Hotspur
Highgate I think Rodgers managed expectations alot better early on in he season and Liverpool were really only seen as genuine contenders in the last four-six weeks.

Spurs have a pretty poor record managing expectations, where we start crowing from every hill top about how we are going to win the league after the first three games of the seaso;

Then its how we're are going to push the league leaders all the way after 8 games;

Then its how we're deffo going to finish in the top 4 after 15 games;

Then its how we're going to push for fouth place all the way - after twenty five games;

Then its still mathematicaly possible for us to finish in the top four after 30 games;

Then its how we're still going to finish with a record points tally after 31 games;

Then its how we're going to finish fifth after 33 games,

Then its at least we're going to finish above United after 36 games

and finally we didn't want to get Europa league football anyway beuuase it hampered our league results and 7th is a better position to challenge for the title next year after 38 games!!
Slurms McKenzie
Dublin even after the season we've had thats the great thing about football we can still believe we have a great squad and just need the right man to unlock it! Despite all evidence to the contrary this season!! I am also one of the poor deluded fools who believe we have a good squad that has been poorly deployed this season. Roll on next September!!!
Slurms McKenzie
Hear hear slurms. Normally I'm gutted when the season is over! Who we gonna support in the WC? If only trap wasn't so much like Tim we might have qualified! Some good Irish talent showing now!
Dublin Hotspur
We don't need Suarez. Just as well, really... 10 more goals would've done us. Turn 5 wins into draws and we're on Citys' coat-tails. We're not as far away as some seem to believe. Despite playing crap all season. Danny messed up employing AVB. Now it's time for him to finally right his wrong. If he does, we're off, off and away.
jerkinmahjurgen
Slurms SPURS WAY defined at last !!! I agree it was refreshing to see Rodgers do that ... Like you, I believe we have a good squad as do a lot of others in the football world.... It's quite amazing how ex pros feel so loyal to one of their own that they are dissing the players now. Give the squad another year with a good boss...COYMS!!!
Highgatespur
If Tim is dim the De Boer is like dark matter. Barca need a manager, not a coach. I'd say Pepe was more a coach. But what do I know? (:P I am the new Man On!) A philosophizing hippie. I can do that. Now be nice, you rudies.
jerkinmahjurgen
*Turn 5 defeats into wins* is what I meant.
jerkinmahjurgen
Dublin, going for a Brazil v Argentina final ... spain and Holland to falter earlier than expected... winner dunno .... I agree with you on the Irish talent - follow them quite closely... expecting a few more surprise countries doing well....
Highgatespur
Jerk, welcome back LOL!!!
Highgatespur
Thanks, Highgate. It's good to be back :)
jerkinmahjurgen
Highgate, I can see Belgium going far, and maybe an African team, maybe Ghana, as well as Uruguay(sp) pulling a few surprises. I will have my eye on the Argies and Brazil though! I can't see England going past the last 16. the combination of Liverpool and Southampton will get found out on the international stage! I can see Suarez and Ronaldo scoring a few crackers!
Dublin Hotspur
Come back Man on! its nearly over and a new episode about to begin!
btw will there be world cup discussions on VS. or will I have to join the England forum! (lol)
Dublin Hotspur
Has PJ also left us again?
Kong
Belguim are the team I shall be following at this WC mainly for the Spurs connection! If lamella makes it to their national squad I might take the odd peek at the argies! Ah who am I kidding, the sky planner will be bulging with games and each one will produce at least four dead cert transfer targets for Spurs!!! As regards who the shamrock shakers will be follwoing? Well I suppose there will be at least one no hoper underdog team that pulls off the unlike feat of qualifying for the quarter finals thats who we'll be following and reliving the dreams of Italia '90!! And like every other Irishman I'll be hoping for a fairy tale world cup, England to loose every game yet somehow make the final only to loose that on penalties with Rooney blasting the cruical one miles over the bar!!!
Slurms McKenzie
Dublin, I really can't see the Europeans succeeding too much in the heat ... Uruguay yes but hopefully no cheating... Belgium good bet but not beyond the 1/4s.... If the draw allows SF line up Ghana, Germany, Brazil and Argentina... they will all knocked out by 1/4s now.... LOL.... Ronaldo will flop!
Highgatespur
Slurms , do you reckon Rooney goes to these tournament for a weight loss effort more than anything else ? Thought you all might be backing Nigeria for their greenness!!!
Highgatespur
I too will be keeping an eye on Belgium at the World Cup. One player I am looking forward to seeing is Ricardo Rodriguez. LB, he'll be lining up for Switzerland.
cider spurs
Highgate I have a friend with dyslexia, who couldn't under stand why there were so few white guys in the Irish national team, but he reckoned we had a great chance of topping group c in Brazil...
Slurms McKenzie
cider that name sounds familiar, I think I recall someone name checking him as a possible LB for Spurs, can't remeber who that was but no doubt they were a football mastermind and probably devilishly handsome too...
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms...You chatting me up?.
cider spurs
Intrigued to see where Chadli plays in Brazil, and how effective he is. Hope all our players have blindingly good games and we tell all and sundry to do one when the vultures come calling.
cider spurs
Only if you've already signed up to the olderdatingagency.com website I keep getting bombarded by! Anyway Cider as my dear old Mum always says: "its all skin and a hole's a hole, we're all god's children in the dark" real mixed messges there!
Slurms McKenzie
How f'ffing annoyed woudl we be if the likes of Lamella, Paulinhio, Chadli, Vertoghen, Sandro, have epic tournaments where they are pulling up trees in every games???
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms...Sod that. My arse is already sore. Sat in bed or in a chair next to the missus for the last 7 days solid. ;-)
cider spurs
I get what your saying Slurms, but at least if we are sensible we can be happy in the knowledge that they are our players and hopefully will come back with more motivation and focus after the World cup.

Seems kind of weird, most major tournaments see players working their arses off trying to make sure they will be involved, seems to have had the negative effect on our bunch, Lloris and Eriksen aside.
cider spurs
Now Cider what goes on behind closed doors is your business but if I might be so bold, it strikes me that if you're suffering those kinds of injuries then your doing it wrong...
Slurms McKenzie
Cider hope everyone is feeling better! To follow up on your other post, I think that an announcment on a manager really needs to be made early into the summer break to try and convince our players to stick around for another season. At the moment I get the impression that Jan, Pualinhio, Dembele, Chadli, Sandro, Lloris purduce some half decent performances they could have a few suitors trying to sign them and I think Spurs would be hard pushed to try and convice them to stay under Tims management!!
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms...Agree with both of your last posts.
cider spurs
Slurms. cider hard pushed ? near enough impossible... pretty hard for the supporters to keep with it I'd venture to say!!! Now we hear the players were faking injuries - so what did TS do about it ? Nothing!!!
Highgatespur
So Paulinho is heading to Brazil! must be $heit so! Scollari doesn't think so.
Dublin Hotspur
Sandro is not going. Not good enough?
logos8
Gomes is not going either.
Kong
Sandro is a perm player, a bastion. not necessarily what Brazil need as a national team.
Highgate, who's been faking, got a link?
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin, here it is - this man is a disgrace - it's gonna get worse!!!

http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/spurs-players-get-mystery-injuries.html
Highgatespur
Scolari must have asked TS for advice....
Highgatespur
Dublin, here's another with HH's opinion:

Never underestimate THFC’s ability to make a bad situation worse.

If the club were an airline and one of their planes crashed killing both your parents, customer services at Spurs would email you within 24hrs to tell you that their air miles were not transferable.

And so to the latest gaffe.
Tim has clearly been advised to work on his public image. Because right now, it’s a bit limited.

Chancers like SSN’s Andy Burnham are quite amenable, but in their desire to get a scoop, or something that might in an emergency, pass for a scoop, they’d pretty much pally up to anyone, even Richard Keys & Andy Gray .

However, Sherwood knows it’s all well and good taming the savages in the media room, but it’s your man in the stands, it’s the paying punter you need to get onside.
Hence him referencing the fans in virtually every presser he’s ever given. Hence the brain damaging interview with Fabrice “Praise Be To God” Muamba in this morning’s Express.
But what in the name of the risen Christ made Dimbo think it was a good idea to reveal that some of our players are faking injuries? Why would you say that? Why?
If you were a Premier League manager, surely you’d spot it once and nip it in the bud. Whether your suspicions are confirmed or denied, if you suspect it has happened once, surely you ensure that nothing like this even vaguely occurs ever again?

Nope. For the St Alban’s rude boy, faking injuries is something that doesn’t happen all the time, just sometimes.

Unreal.

"It’s tough but I like to show my hand, I tell him on a Thursday and I don’t speak to him in detail. I don’t dress it up. If I leave him out, I leave him out.
Sometimes you find – not all the time – the players who are not involved in the starting XI are suddenly injured on Friday and don’t want to train. That is the worst way of showing your character. I want the ones who show passion even though they’ve been dropped.
Saying that, I never liked being dropped and I did sulk a bit – but after all I am a human being.”

Highgatespur
I have to say I'm fully behind anyone who lifts lids or even names and shames any player activity which isn't in Spurs best interest. Surely any anger should be directed at the culprits? For me, that far outweighs the fact that somewhere along the way, someone is going to mention it if you're being unreasonable, such as, in this case, cheating the club and the fans, team-mates, management... Did I miss anyone out? Fecking fat Ferrari-driving fairies infiltrating our club. And the biggest effin' eff of 'em all? Johnny F. N. Foreigner. Lets face it, they're cheating, whinging, roll-around-dying bunch of non-bulldog types. Feigning injury. I'd whack the likes of Siggy and Bentaleb out there myself, if that's the case. No offense meant to our global followers, but this isn't exactly stereotyping. Imean, if there's an Englishman who'd've done to Rooney what Ronaldo did in the WC, that Englishman would've been watching it at home, not featuring. Really ain't surprising these muppets can't get a game.
jerkinmahjurgen
People are questioning his team selections, HG. This is another clue into how he picks.
jerkinmahjurgen
SOOOO painful Highgate! who tells the media that stuff, thats because of him they are doing that, if they are!
Dublin Hotspur
That's jerk, how confident are you that this is accurate ? Does the job description say go the press to sort issues out ? What is the purpose of saying without outing anyone ? And what are we fans going to /can do with this knowledge ... what's the purpose - 4 days till end of season... You say Bentaleb ? unused sub for 5 games - what's he done ?!!

Sign of a desperate bitter man I say!!!
Highgatespur
Jerk, if you really believe that ... bentaleb out ? is he the guilty one ? Sandro - guilty? Dembele guilty ? Dawson guilty ? walker guilty? Verts guilty ? Townsend guilty ? Coupe - guilty ?
Come on surely you see through it.... and why do I,as a fan, want to know - I can't do anything...

Why doesn't he concentrate on getting his qualifications instead of talking to press. All i can say is "Go now go ...just turn around cos you are not welcome here any more...."

Sunday can't come sooner for me!
Highgatespur
hello all, i was user PJcoys-1882 until sometime today when my user was for some reason blocked from posting, i am not sure why as I didn't appear to break any rules, there was a small group of users referring constantly to a previous user topho and at least one strongly suggest my user should be removed. Then yesterday a previous poster coopsieyid who has been absent since my user started posting returned and suggested one of the group Dublin was correct in some assumption around "netmums" today the said user coopsieyid posts an article within which he makes another abusive post towards the previous user once more, raising a question of the previosu users sex, shortly after my user pjcoys1882 was blocked. I wonder what people think about this coincidence surrounding the re-appearance of coopsieyid and the disappearance of user pjcoys1882 and if one user or group of users should control who can post on this forum?
pjcoys1883
KONG, sorry mate user pjcoys1882 blocked today = return of coopsieyid
pjcoys1883
PJ, still on for golf?
Dublin Hotspur
4 days... The suspense is at some level. This is worse than Christmas. Might be 3 and a half days actually, lol. He's probably gonna get replaced and we can stop worrying about it. Or what our players are (or not) doing, for that matter. As we won't get told and they'll act like spoiled brats when they so choose in their preferred protected environment. If Tim is right with what he says, I'm glad they've been sounded out again for the shocking ethos some of them seem to display. Bottom line is we still look shaite and lots of players don't like him so lets wish for a Merry Xmas Day, whenever that is.
jerkinmahjurgen
or pints? the bet?
Dublin Hotspur
what a great season paulinho had, has managed to stay injury free from that free kick close shave, while countinho stays.
123spurs
Dublin I don't play golf sorry, but i do get blocked
pjcoys1883
Jerk, that is a BIG 'if' - lies and damned lies - we'll never know who's doing what till both sides speak.... I wonder if he'll contradict what he said today sometime soon... are the tissues ready ?
Highgatespur
It's shocking that guy Topho keeps getting banned. And shocking for you too, PJ. ;) You both have my full support and vote to keep on posting. For whatever it's worth. I don't think you've posted anything excessively abuse on a consistent basis that's any worse than anyone else here may have done. It's true you may have dipped slightly just before this banning stuff started but I think your recent attempts to rejoin the sites' discussions have been without any reason to continue the ban. You add your side to the discussion and say it as you see it, as we all do. PJ IN!
jerkinmahjurgen
i second that jerk, but then again i might be biased
pjcoys1883
jerk, obviously quite insulting to some....
Highgatespur
Pj in!
Dublin Hotspur
 

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