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The Post Mortem Started in October

Sherwood.... 12 wins from 20 games, is it enough to keep him at the Lane? Yes, according to Sherwood, No according to Daniel Levy`s managerial scouts.

"Don`t judge me on the last two games" 'It should not make a difference,' Sherwood said. 'If we are relying on the last two games to decide the future of this club then it could be decided on a 30-yard shot or a referee's decision.'The people upstairs will know who they want and the last two games should not make a difference.'

Tim has just been the fall guy for this season the real culprits sit in the Director`s box. Why sack a manager that gets us into the Champions League, then sack a manager who was to take us into the new direction, buy him players he apparently did not want, sack him and then offer a 18 month contract to a Interim Manager and then sack him. Why offer the Interim Manager a contract any longer than to the end of the season and then review!

When a Manager has a plan in their minds eye they need the management to back that plan. It may take time to take shape but if you then grow impatient and don`t let the plan happen you go back to square one. It`s not Martin Jol or Ramos or Harry Redknapp or AVB or Tim Sherwood that should be judged, its Levy and Baldini!

According to the Independent: Although Spurs are still monitoring De Boer`s situation, Overmars, (ex Gooner wing man) and now Sporting Director doesn`t want De Boer to go to Spurs. Enter Southampton head coach Mauricio Pochettino who appears to have the easiest path to White Hart Lane and has strong support in the Tottenham boardroom.

The Independent state that "Shortly after Sunday`s final game of the season against Aston Villa, Spurs` hierarchy are expected to agree a deal with Sherwood over the remaining year of his 18-month contract, allowing them to begin formal discussions with potential successors".
So as the curtain falls on our season, one that was going to take us in a "different direction" it ended up going in just "one direction", mostly sideways! Pass, pass, pass and no shots! We played the 65% possession game almost all season long and normally in the wrong part of the pitch whilst our opponents just lobbed the ball over the top of our back four and helped themselves to a goal fest.

Our football has been so predictable this season even West Ham and Newcastle were able to work us out! This season has produced less passion, less inventiveness, less quality in the 6 yard box than any other season I can remember. I have felt more atmosphere in a library than at WHL this year!

One look at the League Table will tell you that 72 Points is not enough to get anywhere near a top four position next season. We took just 1 point off the Top Four this season. If you can`t win away against the top four at least win your home games. Having a goal difference of just +1 at the end of a season tells its own story.

Whoever is the next Manager one thing they need to sort out is our defence. Losing 11 games is not good enough. The top 3 lost just 6 each all season, Scum 7, even Everton only lost 8. We shipped 51 goals this season, only Newcastle conceded more than us out of the top ten teams in the Premiership. Our 3 forwards scored just 19 goals this season, 23 came from midfield and 4 from the back four, what does that tell you about set pieces and corners when our two Centre Backs can only score 2 Goals all season!

Up front, Soldado looked completely lost in terms of confidence and our defenders kept passing the ball amongst themselves in the back four until they lost it and then gave it away. At this level, a loose square ball or forward pass to an opposition player is all it takes to let the other team in and how many times did our defence to that this season? 18 times! We created 18 errors at the back, more conceded goals than any other team, Southampton were next with 12 mistakes, that bodes well for us then if Pochettino takes over!

The bottom line is that we are either in it to win or we are not! Levy has to hire a top quality manager and whoever he chooses they have to stay in post for more than two seasons! Sacking Manager after Manager will only result in one thing; losing our way as a club. We don`t know what style to play, we let the DOF choose the players for the Manager and then we change the Manager. The players are confused, the fans are confused, and the result? A season of wins with no real performances behind them and defeats so big they have made us look like a non league side.

Some of our players have had their worst season ever and we have somehow managed to make some very good players look very ordinary. The post mortem for our season started as early as October last year. By the time we met Hull at WHL for the 2nd time in 3 days in October the football was so boring the crowd had lost the will to live!

Did you hear the Gooners singing against West Brom last weekend; "We`re Champions League, we`re Champions League, Tottenham Hotspur, we`re Champions League". I felt like recording it and sending it as a ring tone to Daniel Levy for his mobile!

You don`t need to read this article to know what N17 and the rest of London thinks about our season, it`s written all over the tube station walls!
Spurs are bigger than you Daniel Levy.......
We`ll be back with or without you!
COYS

Written by OyVeh Maria




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Date:Thursday May 8 2014

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Your Comments

Levy seems addicted to the DoF model...BUT HE is completely unsuitable for it...he micro manages!
shedboy2
Are the cup games included in the 12 out of 20, because I make it 1 win out of 6, terrible. Fewer PL wins and more games where there was a visible plan and a tactical set up that the players believed in would have helped his cause. Forgetting the shambolic losses even the games that were won we never looked convincing with Llorris having to work much harder than was in order. Personally I don't think he will make it as a decent coach, if he thinks he can he should get his qualifications and prove himself at a lower level. Dismal decision by Levy, gambled a season, make the right decision Daniel, you are running out of lifes.
ItalianYiddo
Like I said in previous articles, we should be beating all the teams below us, it should not be such a mission to beat the likes of Norwich, spammers, West Brom, etc. This is where we have dropped lots of points. I am not concerned about losing to the top 4 teams as we are not good enough to be in the top 4, however we out of the other 30 games, we should be winning at least 24 which would give us a minimum of 72 points. Man Utd have consistently won titles because they dispatched the easy teams without any problems. It is one of the things Fergie excelled at. Beat all the small teams and you get loads of points, so the odd defeat does not affect you. Have Man utd ever won a title on the final day of the season, I may be wrong, but I don't think so. I remember Blackburn winning after they couldn't beat west ham in '95. Arsenal have also got this down to a tee. Wenger knows he will lose games to city, chelsea, utd, liverpool. But he also knows that if he beats all the others, champ league is guaranteed. We have constantly shot ourselves in the foot because we can't beat the teams below us. We need to put this right.
vicspur
Can't believe Tim is so deluded. From day one Levy had him installed as caretaker. To have a sniff of the job Tim needed to get top 4 AND win silverware. Levy is a completely dishonest and devious character who has a history of stabbing managers in the back and at Spurs we now get what we deserve - knee-jerk reactions that put the club back years every time. Considering that one of the criticisms of AVB were his man-management skills, Sherwood on his showing has been very, very poor.
Peter Agathangelou
OyVeh Maria, Brilliant article! You sum the whole situation up at THFC when you write "Tim has just been the fall guy for this season the real culprits sit in the Director`s box." Nail on the head! I have been guilty myself of calling Levy's unqualified head coach DIM. I get angry when I see him on the touchline and I want to smack the TV screen during his arrogant TV interviews. But Tim did not employ himself. One day out of the blue, LOSER Levy changed Sherwoods life. Told him he wanted him to become head coach of THFC! Can you imagine how Sherwood must have felt! I believe Levy tried to get Sherwood to agree to a short term, to the end of the season contract, but Tim stayed strong and said, I want a season and a half, and with Levy having no plan B other than GOD, (Glenn Hoddle) who was way to high profile and loved by the Spurs fans to abuse and fire for a second time, took up the Sherwood option because it was the cheapest... The season and half contract means nothing to Levy because he has bought out, paid off many of his coaches contracts. A coaches contract means nothing to LOSER Levy, even if it costs the club many millions, because he writes off these losses, balances the books through the sells of the clubs best players. No problem for LOSER Levy to hide Sherwoods 750 thousand pay off (or whatever) in the balance sheets, after he brings in more than 40 million into THFC from the sells of Pauli, Sandro, Lloris etc this summer. ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
a big yes Oyveh a sad no Italian
pjcoys1883
The alchemy of management is missing throughout the club...there doesn't seem to be a decent people manager in sight. ...unfortunately that starts at the top...Integrity needs to be burned into the brains from the board down...
shedboy2
shedboy2, Nail on the head!!!
Pele10
hello everybody.is it just me who thinks tim sherwood is doing a decent job?
tarkan mardinCOYS
hey guys whats with all the hate
tarkan mardinCOYS
shedboy, as much as we love to hate our neighbours they do conduct themselves with dignity and integrity, not qualities that Levy exudes.
ItalianYiddo
tarkan mardinCOYS- yes...;) No hate here, just observations and criticism...only a hater would take a word like Hate and use it so out of context to try abash people with differing views...the irony I'm sure is not lost...;)
shedboy2
Oyveh Maria. brilliant article. It sms everything up perfectly. Italian Yiddo. I agree with everything you say except Daniel Levy is not running out of lives. It seems that he is the one person at Spurs who can make one bad decision after another, one mistake after another and never face the consequences. Pele10. Spot on. "I'm Daniel Levy, I'll do what I want"
DoncasterHotspur
It was a huge mistake to part ways with AVB, Dim was a shocking replacement. We have discussed this in depth on many occasions. I cant for the life of me see why we rant and rave but actually zero gets done about it. Is there anyway of actually getting stuck into Levy? Do the season ticket holders not have a say or a committee etc? One thing i've always noticed is the communication with the club is restricted to a few statements which give away zero information or planning. I'm not sure if this is because Levy does not like the heat or it's business. A good friend at Investec worked closely with DL son and his words to me were the DL is big Spurs fan at heart a genuinely wants us to compete at the top.
Mix26
Interesting to read Levy's end of season comments in the programme on Sunday. We will still be keeping our best players Daniel, is the stadium build just around the corner Daniel. i can't wait to hear what you say!!
DoncasterHotspur
"12 wins from 20 games" REALLY??? From where I'm sitting, it's

P - 27
W - 13
D - 4
L - 10
Win Rate 48%

I'm sure it's wonderfully convenient for our beloved manager & his band of deluded disciples to forget our cup matches, but, as a supporter of this club for over 35 years, ALL games count to me.

"Don't judge me on the last 2 games, it should not make a difference"... REALLY? Well in that case, why have we ever sacked any previous manager? If losses should not make a difference, why were those previous managers removed? What a dick this guy is!!

"Why sack a manager who got us into the Champions League?". Umm, because he was doing his utmost to get out of our club, by pimping himself to The FA for a job he had no chance of getting. He even went as far as offering Brendan Rodgers the job as his assistant, for a job he didn't even have. LMFAO. Not to mention, as soon as Woy was confirmed as England manager, the manager that got us CL football hired the 'super agent' that Wayne Rooney used to get a massive payrise. The manager and that agent then strolled into Levy's office and demanded a payrise. LAUGHABLE!! Best of all, this all happened in the same week that the managers boss had lost his mother. Yeah, why sack a manager that got us into the Champions League!!

"Why sack a manager who had a plan and was bought players he did not want?" Well, it appears that the football was far too boring, not to mention the wonderfully educated THFC fan-base yelling for his head to be removed. The chairman seemingly had little choice, IF he did indeed sack that particular manager. To me, it's blatantly obvious that that particular manager chose to walk, and who can blame him after what you mentioned?

I actually couldn't give a ***** who the next manager is. Whoever is selected, the poor *****er doesn't stand a chance. Our trigger happy owner/board, alongside our wonderfully patient fan-base = The poor sap will be on a hiding to nothing!!
coopsieyid
Great article oyveh, can't add to it yet, see how the thread goes! Better be some good news in the next week, in and out!
Dublin Hotspur
Where's that Galway Goon? Or that HGH muppet? This should cheer them up.

Days at the top of the league this season:

Arseanal - 128
Chel$ki - 64
Liverpoo - 59
Man City 11
Man Utd - 2

Timing, it's all about the timing :-)
coopsieyid
Article is pretty much spot on, AVB should never have been employed in the first place just like all the other failed managers that Levy has employed. Hopefully Tim will be the last and we start seeing a change in strategy.
coys1717
One was left with no choice but to share this article, it had the headline....

Sherwood's Spurs have won less, scored fewer goals and have a leakier defence than under AVB (so, why was he sacked again?)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2579982/Tim-Sherwoods-Spurs-won-scored-fewer-goals-leakier-defence-AVB.html
coopsieyid
leonardo jardim is the latest name on the management carousel
tarkan mardinCOYS
Just found out that Sandro has been left out of the Brazil squad! He must be one angry beast! This of course why he went on twitter a month ago telling the football world he was fit. But unfortunately for him the Brazil coach was not going to take the risk on a semi fit player. Sandro must be furious about the sacking of AVB because he was first choice (when fit) when AVB was here. The knock on effects of LOSER Levy's decision to replace AVB with Tim Sherwood have hurt and effected many... Club, players, supporters... ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
Tweets from Sandro on Sherwood " He will leave at the end of the season.Then, new coach,new everything"
Mix26
coopsie save your breath mate, it's become illegal to comment on Dim in that manner. He is some sort of jam in people doughnut on here who needs to be addressed in a more formal way...
Mix26
DoncasterHotspur, I do think Levy is running out of lives. There is discontent and disillusionment in the stands and more empty blue seats appearing, I normally have plenty of takers for my ticket when I can't make it, at face value, I had to give it away for the Sunderland game. Fans have power, without us there is no business for Enic to grow.
ItalianYiddo
Pele/Mix- Sandro seems rather cheesed off...I think he feels at home here but all the change, he's hardly played this year etc is getting to him...let's just hope we can get a guy in to settle the squad down and start playing to their strengths, someone who realises we need a new LB and that the converted winger isn't up to it! (Tim just wants to annoy the fans now)
shedboy2
IY- they still have their property portfolio!
shedboy2
The big mistake was AVB. We had just finished 4th twice in 3 seasons and had a successful CL run in-between. There wasn't a lot wrong. As the author says, if you are going to remove a guy that was achieving that, then the next appointment needs to be a step up. Then Baldini came in....and no one can claim success in any way. Levy messed that up. However, given that the season was already cocked up, I personally think that the appointment of Sherwood (as interim) was a good choice - AS LONG as we get the right choice in summer. Tim did bad in cups, and generally has a good record in league - barring games vs top four. Sherwood does deserve a stab at managing and learning his trade, but his formula is not right for a top four chasing team. Perhaps West Brom might have a go with him.
TonyRich
Mix 26, I'm sure DL is a spurs fan, however that's not enough. All of us here are spurs fans, doesn't make us qualified to run the club. I just hope whoever comes in, stays for three years at least and if that means we end up a little lower down the league next season whilst we sort everything out, then so be it
In-spurs-ational
I agree with the above written, but have lost complete faith in Levy and the football side of things he is in charge of. Does the Southampton manager really have any of us excited?? This is a guy that TS outwitted twice this season and we also gave his team a 2 goal headstart in one of them!! He got lucky at Southampton with the young England players there and no real pressure managing Us will bring.
WestStandEnclosure
Tony Rich, I actually hope Tim stays with us. He can be the new man's number two (or three) and learn the ropes.
In-spurs-ational
Tony but the appointment was made, Dim played his cards and got the job. There was no interim status etc so Dim can and must accept the responsibility of the managers role. A favourable record in the league yes but short of anything remotely being called a "record". What we saw was Dim winning a few games we were expected to win or the quality of the opposition was simply shocking. We have in no way progressed in any position on or off the pitch during Dim's "record" and he lost almost every genuinely "competitive" match we were involved in ie against top 4 and cup games. There is genuinely a 100 names ahead of Dim who would or could manage in the PL I suspect.
Mix26
Iím assuming that we will finish in 6th place and that the table does not lie. Therefore, as vicspur stated, next season our task is clear. We need to take the majority of points when we play teams below us, and we need to take some points when we play teams above us. If we finish next season above 6th place, we will have progressed. What the teams needs, and how we should be playing next season, will be debated on here between now and August.
Geofspurs
Tim needs to leave the club entirely...we don't want a sniper in the background....he's already annoyed half the players, Ade has stopped playing again now that he knows Tim won't be able to get him a new contract so perhaps a change up top is needed as well...very difficult to get a striker scoring in the prem...we're in a Horlicks of our own making...
shedboy2
Geofspurs - we have done fine against teams below. It has been the top four that has been shocking. Last season we got 11 points from the top 4. Only losing 3 games - all away. This season we lost 7 of the 8 games vs top four....with just the point at home to Chelsea to show for it. We lost 10 points there when compared to last season. This is the area we need to improve on.
TonyRich
Let's get Jesus in from Benfica...how many of their team would get in ours?....yep let's get Jesus in to resurrect us!
shedboy2
Levy chose AVB, not any of us, but how was he the problem? Finished 5th with our highest points tally last season and 1 point away from 4th, gets a load of players with no PL experience and no pre-season, possibly none of his choice, what do we expect? Get real.
ItalianYiddo
How many people on here would happily let a person purporting to be a surgeon operate on them if that person doesn't actually have the necessary qualifications or training to actually legally be called a surgeon? Not many I bet. I know that football management isn't brain surgery (or rocket science apparently) but a modicum of training and qualifications should be a prerequisite. Had the training and qualifications been had then maybe fewer glaring errors of judgement on the field and from the gob would have been made and there may have been some hope for the future. Unfortunately not.
SpuriousLife
A announcement needs to be made about Sherwood and quick. People need to know that a change will be happening and change the outlook of the club.
Kong
Mix26 - a 1.5 year contract amounts to interim status. We can remove him at low cost. I agree with Shedboy that Tim cannot remain with the club. He now has eyes on more than just a background role.
TonyRich
TonyRich and who got that single point, was never going to be Tim the Dim. No way AVB would have not got more points from the top four.
ItalianYiddo
IY- whilst I think the timing of AVB's departure was poor and he should have been backed properly his appointment was a gamble that ultimately failed ...he had never managed a transfer window nor integrated players into a team, his experience of managing up was poor with Chelsea being a failure that also had the media against him....we really need a manager now that ticks all the boxes...Tim - well that was a brain fart from Levy...and why oh why didn't someone tell Tim he was interim....
shedboy2
ItalianYiddo - exactly. That was actually one of our better performances under AVB, although it was only really for the first half. AVB would not have got many more points, but we wouldn't have been so slaughtered. At the end of the day, 4th place is at least 76 points this year, and probably 79! Given our inferior goal difference, that would require 80 points to get 4th - in simple terms. But if you look deeper and realise that we gave Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City 6 points each, and took none for ourselves. That is the difference. Matches vs top 4 are key.
TonyRich
Tony .... I agree. To improve on 6th, we will need to maintain our record against lower clubs and improve our record against higher clubs. It all depends on what the expectations are next season. If we expect top four, (I donít), we will need to average 2 points a game. We will also need to improve our goal difference which would require a massive overhaul imo. If we see success as staying 6th or taking 5th, with a run in the cups, (I do), then we would be allowing the manager (?) the time he will need to progress the club. Of course there will be 19 other clubs with their own ideas!
Geofspurs
shed, AVB was never my first choice and a gamble, agreed, what I don't agree with is the failure, how can anyone possibly class it a failure at that stage of the season, this time of the season it would have been the right time. Scenario one, brilliant, we are looking like a team, we are going to the wire for 4th, we got to a semifinal/final, lets look forward to next season. Scenario two, we are to going finish 6th or 7th, look disjointed as a team and poor cups run, thanks for your efforts Andre but bye bye.
ItalianYiddo
to improve on 6th we need to be better than 15 other clubs...points totals are meaningless apart from deciding league position in 1 season only...where the points come from - lower teams, teams in the top is almost immaterial..I say almost as it stands to reason if you take points from teams aiming at top4 you greatly reduce the distance between them and you....but without taking points from the other clubs it's futile...so get a good competitive team together who play a system and have a plan b....keep the players confident, happy and trying and the fans will respond...simple isn't it...
shedboy2
We are as a club, likely heading head first into yet another disasterous manager appointment. We are told that Pochittino is Levy's favored candidate, why? His career stats are poor to say the least. He has managed at Espanyol, P161 W53 L70, his win stats were 33%, and his loss stats 43%. He then came to Southampton P59 W23 L19, his win stats are 39%, and his loss stats are 32%. Giving him career stats of W 35% and L 43%, hardly a glowing reference for the managers job at Spurs. If one extrapulates a PL season based on these stats it would be P38, W13, D9, L16 giving a points total of 48. Compare this to De Boer's career at Ajax P172, W103, L33, equating to career stats of Win 60%, L 19%. This would represent a PL season of P38 W23 D8 L7 = 77 points. Then we have Martinez's career stats of P345 W138 L114, his win% figures are cruelly skewed by his 176 games at "no hopers" Wigan, who he kept in the PL against all the odds (W 29% L44%). This figure is rescued by his time at Swansea W50% L21% and at Everton W56% L23%. His career stats however are W40%, and L33%, this would equate based purely on these stats to a PL season as follows P38 W15,D11,L12,=56 points. Before somebody says that win stats can be interpreted in several ways, I would agree, and they are only one factor in the measure of a successful manager, but they can be used, providing they are measured over a representative period (not Sherwood's half a season), they are the only objective measure to compare candidate A and candidate B. This measure indicates that Pochittino is not a viable candidate for the job, compared to the other 2. If he gets this job, I will predict that if his expected, and predicted, performance becomes reality, we will be here this time next season, looking for the next candidate. For Christ's sake Levy, forget the few quid it will cost, and go and get De Boer. Yes he is a one club man, yes he has no PL experience, but his stats can afford to deteriorate by 10%, and he will still be the best candidate.
Frank
I cannot say I'll be sorry to see TS go. He may, oneday, make a decent manager. He has passion and heart but, unfortunately, he doesn't have style. No coaching badge, no thinking before opening his mouth and little idea of how to create a "TEAM" ethos. AVB had to go but not mid-season. He should of stayed till the end and seen it through. I do believe it was his choice to walk and not Levy's. COYS Now not only do we have the "who should buy" players but also Manager too.
longtimespur
TonyRich, with the right tactics a win against Arsenal, a point against City were achievable, I would have expected losses against Chelsea and Liverpool but with the quality of our players not unthinkable to get something.
ItalianYiddo
longtimespur, AVB decided to walk because Levy made untenable for him to coach with dignity. Stay out of team affairs, let the coach do the coaching.
ItalianYiddo
Before we get carried away with Sherwood's stats, he has P27, W13, D4, L10, this gives W48%, L37%, so over a full Pl season this would represent P38 W18 D6 L14 = 60 points, a very long way from the top 5, so his figures are not that amazing after all.
Frank
We keep getting the managerial appointments wrong, but we cannot stay with a manager who is obviously failing and we are near or in the case of Ramos actually in the relegation zone. Also regarding top four do you seriously think we are going to get there with the current strikers and full backs whoever the manager is. Transfer business must reflect the needs of the team not just be an investment opportunity.
cynicspur
If I thought he was bright enough, and devious enough, which I don't, I could see Sherwood as having an agenda for our gradual deterioration in our league form, poor tactics, dubious team selection, vilification of good players, and dodgy interviews, to make the job of any incoming manager as difficult as possible next season, when he has disappeared to pastures new. It will artificially big him up, in the eyes of the Sherwood disciples.
Frank
totally agree with you Frank, but feel Levy we go for the wrong option as usual.
topspur53
For those going to King's testimonial, London Evening Standard are reporting that Sherwood has been invited to play at King's testimonial but is yet to give an answer. I bet Sandro would love to play against Sherwood :)
Kong
is Pochittino going to inspire our players.? NO!
topspur53
Longtimespur, I agree with your last post. Sherwood needs a spell at a lower league club away from the spotlight, and the media circus that is the PL. He could then 1)get his badges, 2) Learn his trade as a manager/coach, 3) Hopefully gain some maturity, learn how to deal with, and treat people properly, and 4) Gain a reputation for his achievements as a manager, rather than his rantings, ego maniac claims, and the public vilification of his fans, and players, 5) If he does these things, he may one day return to the big time, and enjoy some success as a manager.
Frank
I 'll 2nd your Pocehttino post Frank, this guy will be an absolute disaster if he comes to us. The guy has done "OK" at the 2 clubs he's managed hardly excelled at any point.
coys1717
Unfortunately it's a great article and pretty much sums up our season perfectly. Watching man city yesterday and hearing the commentator going on about how they are about to win 2 leagues in 3 years when before they haven't won anything for decades,, it reminded me of when my mates Dad's took us to Tottenham and it was either against City or Newcastle him saying to me 'yeah but they've never won anything!!' in regards to their noisy fans ... Very soon we will be that club, whole generations won't have seen us lift a single decent trophy. You can't keep going back to the 60's or even 1991 to find success (Bradford nearly won the carling cup, winning that doesn't count)...

Right now the calls are for 'Sherwood Out' but if Levy gets this appointment wrong, doesn't invest properly it will be "ENIC Out".. He has got one more appointment before WHL turns, no cheapskate Sherwood, foriegn version pochettino or even project FdB... we need a quality proven manager, Mancini, Benitez or LvG equivalent... Save your job Daniel.
T.H.F.Chris
Frank-I think you are being a bit too harsh on Pochettino!Managing Espanyol and Southampton,there is no way that you can win half of your games and boast your win percentage.I believe Rodgers would still be managing Swansea to mid table had he stayed with them.He played good football with Swansea so Liverpool got him.Took him a season but he is managing them well,isn't he?
SilwalYid
Looks like the rope is already out for Pocehttino from the great spurs fans on here
pjcoys1883
Excellent article. A total shambles of a season, to put it simply. Unfortunately, it does not matter who we get in unless Levy leave the manager to do his job for a couple of years at least.
Madaboutspurs
Frank...Sherwood does not need a hidden agenda to make it hard for the incoming manager. He is doing a marvellous job at playing the wrecking ball, yet he believes he is doing just grand. Latest example seeking praise for moving Rose back to LB. sssSSSHHHH! Timmy!.
cider spurs
frank-the names that are being touted around by and large r uninspiring,why not approach rafas people and see what they say?
tarkan mardinCOYS
Ancelotti, Benitez, Martinez, Mancini, Poyet, De Boer, Pochettino, Laudrup, my revised long list in that order.
pjcoys1883
pjcoys-what about leanardo jardin.i know ive never heard of him either
tarkan mardinCOYS
Pele - I'm pi$$ed off that Sandro is not in the Brazil squad, but even that isn't Sherwood's fault, let alone Levy's, who, for some reason, you point the finger at? Sandro is not in the Brazil team because he's missed $hit loads of the season due to injury, whilst the competitors for his spot have been playing consistently and scoring. Seriously, you've got a genuine problem upstairs. Had Sandro not been injured so much, he'd likely be in the squad. By the way, you are aware that he hasn't been selected to play for Brazil since November 16th 2012, aren't you? Yet another FACT that $hits all over your baseless & downright demented standpoint, due to the fact that AVB was very much still our manager on November 16th 2012. So who you going to point the finger at now? God forbid it may actually be in the right direction, ie the player or his international manager.
coopsieyid
Cider, i find it hard to see why praising a young player publicly as Sherwood did for Rose should be criticised, i think it's just unfair, Rose is not the best left back in the prem by far, we needed a new one last summer but the club over looked this, not sherwood and not AVB for that matter one assumes, but he is about all we had this season for long spells. Fryers got more game time under Sherwood but i do remember many on her saying Fryers was pants on the evidence of a couple of substitute appearances early doors. To me he looked and looks like a very good prospect given game time, which is what Sherwood did. This is turning into a bit of a klu klux klan event for sherwood on here.
pjcoys1883
PJ, luckily for you then that Sherwood's days are numbered, you will then have to defend the new guy.
Kong
If it's Poch, I'll support him, same as the rest, I gave them a chance. Poch however does not inspire me. Yes he has Southampton playing well, but let's not kid ourselves here, they are 11 points adrift of us.

Some will argue we have the deeper squad, yep!, but how many of our team made the team of the season?, Lallana, Shaw, Rodriguez, all being raved about. 2 making team of the season. Have we got these players to play the brand of football he does?, can he improve our current players?.
cider spurs
Mix - I had that Sandro tweet about 50 times this morning. At first I thought "Fella you really shouldn't be ding that".. But then I thought, "screw it, he's just speaking on behalf of the people who have supported him through thick & thin whilst he's been at our club" I can actually admire that, even if it is ill advised. People will no doubt now question if I had the same view when Ade & BAE were putting their pics on twitter, and I'd have to say "No". Double standards? Maybe, but one of those players has given nothing short of 100% when he's played for our club, whilst the other has simply bothered when it suits him. Respect is earned, not axcquired because you earn more than everyone else, undeservedly.

coopsieyid
Same old debate. If you can praise Rose after crap performances, can this not be afforded to the rest of the team?.
cider spurs
Mix - Cheers for the 'heads up' re not speaking about our manager like I did. I'll show him the same sort of respect and class, as he has shown everyone else not called Nabil, Aaron, Emanuel, Hugo or Christian. I just wish, like him, I had the national press to abuse him with, and proclaim him as not good enough to be anything to do with our squad. COYS FOTS
coopsieyid
Well what a mess we are in. I think the problem is a lot bigger than we all think. Going by Sandroís comments this morning I think itís safe to say TS has lost the majority of the dressing room. Yes, any player can come out and have a pop at the manager etc BUT he is a fan favourite, and a very important player for the team. It also pretty much confirms that TS will be gone as surely he wouldnít come out and say that if he wasnít sure. Itís all very well for Kane & Ade to come out and say TS is loved etc but thatís only because he has brought them in from the cold, which has also been at detriment to the balance of the squad as a whole I think

Im so annoyed at how we have handled the whole situation. Every ex player, pundit etc is saying how great LVG will beÖ..well why the F didnít we snap him up in Jan. Now it looks like we are turning away from FDB to go for Pochettino. What a Joke. Pochettino would (hopefully not will) be a disaster. He had a good start to the season then NOTHING. I am genuinely worried that we will end up with him because heís cheaper and will work on a shoe string budget, same old same old. If things donít change soon then im giving up on this lot, at least until the board sod off and someone with an actual plan and ambition step in. We are the laughing stock of football at the moment and its actually embarrassing to be a supporter of THFC. Players wanting to leave, players actually leaving, a string of inexperienced low budget managers hired then fired. The 5-0 thrashings, the 0-0 draws. Im sorry but itís very hard to be positive at the moment.
hudderspur
Anyway, I'm buggering off again now, to see if I can find any good news about our club, next manager, stadium etc etc. Anything I find, if I find anything, will be posted on the stadium article from yesterday. I'll leave the derailing of this thread to someone else.
coopsieyid
I remember somebody saying that if we did not finish 4th this season then we had not improved. Looks maybe like 6th, digressed, who's running the show, who manages the club. Surely has to take some of the blame?. Klu Klux Klan event?, no, just opinions on the basis of Sherwood's management tenure, how he has faired and whether we consider him to be the man to remedy the digression.
cider spurs
sandro clearly hasa problem with tim and vica versa,but you cannot say this is the case with the rest of the team.i think they have embraced tim sherwood.look at adebayors comments for example
tarkan mardinCOYS
Coopsie tis sad about Sandro. Cannot grasp why the guy is not selected. Fernandinho has been excellent this season and deserves his place I feel. I think the Beast did not really come with an inflated price tag or a big reputation and in Brazil that counts it seems...
Mix26
scolari has stuck with the same team that won the confeds,no place for athleticos felipe,miranda or liverpools coutinho
tarkan mardinCOYS
IY ..... not arguing the facts and I think I understand why he went. A man with more cojones just might have stuck it out to annoy Levy. DL certainly does things to annoy us far too often. I put forward a proposal for an article entitled "A Letter to Mr Joe Lewis and Mr Daniel Levy" it never got put up, probably libelous or such lol!!! In a nut shell... DL should stand aside from anything related to the footballing side of our club. Give the DOF or manager an annual budget for transfers and, unless things go really awry, leave them to get on with it. COYS
longtimespur
tarkan or more likely Ghulam u clutching at straws. It was Dim who made the comments about Sandro, it was Dim that made comments on Paulinho. It was Dim who caused an apparent changing room brawl. Ade is being Ade, he has and always will look after himself so long as he gets in the team. Wait one minute what was Ade comments under AVB about being the best striker in the league etc etc? A lot of hot air... Sandro however is not only a fan favourite, he loves us just as much! He relishes playing in a Spurs shirt and always works 110%. His treatment by Dim has been nothing short of embarrassing to say the least! Dim is an embarrassment to our club and I guarantee once he is gone the real stories will emerge...
Mix26
Sandro has been unlucky with injuries and has a lot of competition in that midfield, nothing to do with Sherwood.
ItalianYiddo
Frank - I'll quickly do as you did, ie bring my post across from the other article ;-)

Frank - Those managerial stats mean bugger all. While Rodgers was at Reading, he had a win percentage of 26% and was fired because of it. Yet he's now at Liverpoo & has got them closer to winning the PL than any manager in recent history. It's all about the fit.

Roberto MArtinez had a win rate of 28% at Wigan, actually got relegated, yet has now guided Everton to their highest finish for years, whilst bringing football the supporters have been starved of for a decade. It's all about the fit.

I'd assume, based upon the 'stats' that I have just used in response to your own stats, and based upon the logic you clearly applied, I guess Martinez and Rodgers don't look so good after all? If you're dismissing Pochettino due to those stats, I'm assuming you'd also have done the same for Rodgers or Martinez, had they been chosen by Levy before AVB was? Yep, looks like we dodged a real bullet with those 2, doesn't it? ;-)

Frank - When it comes to the managerial decision that Levy (and the board, it's NOT ALL down to Levy), I'm sure we're all $hitting ourselves. I'm expecting the worst, it's THFC we're talking about...

As for those who have already written off a manager we've not even employed yet, is it any bloody surprise we have such a regular turnover of managers? The poor buggers are getting a hammering before they've even done anything. You only have to take a look at Southampton forums from when Atkins was sacked. The supporters were livid, and even more livid when they found out Pochettino was Atkins' replacement. However, you go to those same Saints forums now, and you'll see they're VERY worried about losing what they believe is the best manager they've had in recent history. I'm far from saying Pochettino is 'The Man', I have no way of knowing. However, look at this very post, what I've said to Frank about Rodgers and Martinez at their former clubs. How are they doing now? It's all about the fit. Benitez had GREAT success in Spain, and won an FA Cup & the CL whilst at Liverpoo, AWESOME!! He then went to Inter Milan & lasted 6 months after finishing 2nd to little THFC in their CL group, and sitting some 15 points behind their nearest & dearest rivals, AC Milan, in the league. All of that despite the fact that, in the previous season, that same Inter Milan team won the league & the CL. He just didn't fit at Inter Milan. Success elsewhere doesn't equate to success somewhere else, just as failure elsewhere, doesn't equate to failure somewhere else. To proclaim such a thing is, in my opinion, very shortsighted. You only have to look at the only manager who has given us CL football. Gave us something we've never had before since the PL began, yet is struggling to get the most expensively assembled, and highest paid squad in the whole league (and higher than a few PL clubs too) promoted to the PL. He just doesn't fit in as well at QPR.
coopsieyid
Kong, I am quitting my defence business after Sherwood. This is going to be a very interesting 7 days, I guess it will all unfold after the Ledley event, which i am going to, i hear it's not selling hugely at the mo, is that correct does anyone know?
pjcoys1883
"the rest of the team have embraced tim" dont know how you think that Tarken. Think most will be glad to see the back of him.And our so called Coaches.
topspur53
Cider - Here are the questions you have to ask yourself, in response to the post you made about Pochettino. "Were Shaw, Lallana and Rodriguez playing at their current standard under their previous manager? Then maybe ask yourself "Why do they perform so well, so consistently?".

I look forward to your answer mate.
coopsieyid
coopsieyid-find out about leonardo jardine if you can.any meat on the bone
tarkan mardinCOYS
Mix - You could be right about Sandro and the price tag. All I hope is that his tweet didn't mean what I dread. "New manager, new everything", with the emphasis being on "New Everything"... He's talking about links to returning home to Brazil, to Sao Paolo. I genuinely hope that's not part of his tweet :-(
coopsieyid
And IF it is part of that tweet, ONLY 1 person is responsible, and it ain't the Beast! Sandro LOVES this club, and he LOVES the supporters even more. No way would he be seeking the exit door 6 months ago, nor would he even contemplate it.
coopsieyid
Which i guess points the finger straight at Levy, for employing the current manager in the first place. So, ONLY 2 people will be responsible if Sandro leaves. lol
coopsieyid
ENIC OUT ;-)
coopsieyid
This same debacle always happens when we want to sign someone, remember how the Vertonghen transfer dragged on and on, one day we signing him, the next day some other club in pole position, he says he wants to come, he doesn't want to come, Spurs have made a bid, Spurs have not made a bid. Why is it so difficult? The same thing with Moutino, Damaio, Cahill, etc and it goes on and on. Now its the same with De boer, if Levy wants him, just pay the money and sign him. The fact that now, suddenly, because De Boer has made it public, that somehow he is no longer good enough is typical Levy. Granted, we don't know the facts, we can only go on what we hear, but De Boer strikes me as a guy who is honest and calls it like it is. Van Gaal played us, if Levy was great at negotiating, he would have got LVG to sign before man u had a chance to move. His dithering has cost us players and more over 13 years. The only time he is decisive is when he wants to fire someone, and then pay them a huge fat compensation package. If De Boer is the man, pay the 5m or whatever Ajax want and get it done as soon as. Daniel the ditherer will stand and watch as everyone makes their new appointments and we will be left with no options. I dread to think what is going to happen this summer. I do not want Pocettino in charge. Rather have Benitez or Simeone with some of the Athletico players.
vicspur
viscpur has highlighted what I've been saying for months now. Beat the bottom 14 teams home and away you equate 84 points, the rest of the season is a bonus and the difference between CL place and winning the league. OK, in reality you will draw a few and you hope to take a few points off of the top 5 teams. The good news is Norwich won't be in the prem next season.

I'd love to hear the frustration on here come out of the fans on Sunday. ENIC out chants, you don't know what you're doing directed at Levy etc...

The constant merry-go-round of managers only works if the owners are pumping in £m not, balancing book and spending chocloate money from Christmas.

ENIC OUT
yiddyboy
Coopsie we know the Beast, he loves a good joke and a jibe. I think he is part of us more than the " Players ". We saw sooo many videos etc of him clowning about and playing guitar. I think he is extremely happy in London and at Spurs. He has on many occasions spoken of the us highly.
Mix26
tarkan - Will do.
coopsieyid
Those tweets did not come from Sandro himself, well not from his twitter account anyway.
Kong
I hope the fans make their feelings known to Sandro on Sunday, loud and clear, I will do my bit.
ItalianYiddo
coops...A very fair comment. I suppose that then leads me onto the question, are our players sleeping giants?. It kind of goes full circle, of course Sherwood's constant spiel aside, I am still left wondering how good this team can be, that in turn exists with can we secure a manager good enough to let us see. But yes, looking at it your way, credit has to be afforded to Poch, in fairness, I have pro's and cons for many names linked. I will however support whomever it may be.
cider spurs
I see utds value has dropped 11% in the last year! Wonder how much ours has dropped this season!
Dublin Hotspur
Cider you answer ref KKK is what i would expect from you, balanced and fair, that is not what has been happening on here in relation to sherwood, it's been one insult after another, not balanced and fair, of course he was never going to take us from 7th to 4th having never done it before and factoring in some player injuries, those not playing well for most of the season and good form of Everton. I just don't get the point of the constant insults.
pjcoys1883
I'm less interested in which Manager we get than by whether Daniel Levy can break the habit of a lifetime and establish a good working relationship. I had to laugh when I saw the report that he has already fallen out with Frank de Boer because he talked to the press about the contact. The time to fall out is getting shorter and happens even before the manager joins now.
Archibald Leitch
PJ: "Ancelotti, Benitez, Martinez, Mancini, Poyet, De Boer, Pochettino, Laudrup, my revised long list in that order......"

The first two and fourth 100% yes, the other are all second tier managers (except maybe FdB as he is unknown) and if we took them on we'd be in exactly the same position probably playing slightly different football... Martinez for example has achieved exactly the same as moyes, missed out on champions league from a winning position. We need a top tier manager mate.
T.H.F.Chris
Coops - You seem to be on board with the appointment of Pochettino, and don't understand (or agree with) that a number of people are slating the manager before he's even on board. It all seems very fickle when you look at it like that but my reason for not wanting Pochettino isn't just about the footballing or coaching side of things. However, my footballing reasons are that I don't think he is or could be the right guy to actually progress us. I don't think his style of football is a style that can move us up into the top positions without spending a city / Chelsea type money on players who we probably couldn't attract. Dynamic flare football is all well and good but as he found out, you need the real class players to be able to do it effectively. Look at city, they like the direct easy on the eye footy BUT they also know how to and when to switch it and dig in. From the little I have seen of him he (just like AVB & TS) do not have a plan B, or at least a plan B that works with the players youíve got

Onto the main reason I donít think it would work, he another young up and coming manager that would probably need time to adjust. You and everyone on here knows that at THFC time isnít a luxury that is given to our managers. Could he get the respect of the board, the fans, and most importantly the players? I donít think he could. We need a winner, someone the board will step back and listen to, respect and support. Someone that the fans trust as their titles and accolades would back them up. We need someone who has a plan, who knows what it would take to get us where we want to be. Im not even sure FBD is the guy, im not entirely sure who is, but we need a big manager with big balls to take over this mess. IF Pochettino is appointed will make a personal bet with you that we will looking for yet another manager next summer. Something tells me you are smart enough not to make the bet.
hudderspur
Leonardo jardim
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_Jardim
Not very interesting.
Dublin Hotspur
I wonder whether Ancelotti does become available after it appears Real Madrid's failure to win the title. Madrid don't take to losing lightly, somebody usually has to be the fall guy.

What if Utd got Ancelotti, would you take LVG now?. Could you forgive him for wanting to manage one of the biggest clubs in World football?.
cider spurs
i agree THF Chris, but you cant gtee getting either of those 3 so you need that old chestnut a plan b and they are IMO best of the plan B bunch. I tend to value prem experience quite highly that's why i m less hot then most seem to have been for DE Boer, i buy all the stuff about the ajax factor, his playing days and pedigree but I am less convinced it carries more weight on a CV than when Poyet has just achieved at Sunderland and or what the guy at Southampton has done this season, having said that if De Boer was given the job I would not be unhappy about it because i would rather him than Tim and or any number of others. I think the Moyes v Martinez comparison is a little unfair on the latter as he has done it in his first season in a good top end of the league and changed the way they play to be MUCH more pleasing on the eye.
pjcoys1883
hudderspur..."We need a big manager with big balls to take over this mess."

Something tells me you want LVG.
cider spurs
Cider, a hint of how our players could be sleeping giants, apologies for cut and paste, I put this up yesterday in response to highgate and a few others on the topic of Suarez impact if he played for us

Highgate, wouldn't want him in a spurs shirt either. wouldn't need him if we just used our strikers, midfield, wings and defence properly! we have a shedload of talent, including 7 new signings with a shed load of goals and assists last season Soldado: Valencia and Spain 12/13: apps 51 (8 as sub), Goals 34, assists 6 Lamela: Roma 12/13: Apps 36, Goals 15, assists, 5 Eriksen:Ajax and Denmark 12/13: Apps 39, goals 11, assists, 6 Paulinho: Corinthians and brazil 12/13: Apps 36, Goals 15, Assists, 5 Chiriches: Stau Bucharest and Romania 12/13: Apps 23, goals 3, Assists 1 Capoue: Toulouse and France 12/13: Apps 39, Goals 8, Assists 3 Chadli: Twente and Belgium 12/13: Apps 33, goals 19, assists 1. Thats 105 goals between them for club and country! + their assists! we don't need a Suarez in the team, we need a manager who can get these guys doing what they did last season, together, for Spurs!!!!!! enuff said!!!

Lloris in Goal Walker (or new) RB, Vlad CB, Verts CB, New LB Capoue/ Sandro/ Paulinho Mids Eriksen/ Lamela/ Chadli behind Robbie. Everyone else as back up or as required. Thats a strong core 12 to choose from!

in my opinion of course! I'm still as excited by them as much as I was when we signed them, as you can see!
Dublin Hotspur
Dubs...I'm still in the we've got a great squad camp also. Just getting bloody frustrated waiting for somebody to come in and bring their ability to the fore. I'm really looking forward to next season, I just want a manager who can lead a team and knows how to set us up to play to our strengths. Not too much to ask surely?. ;-)
cider spurs
For me its not so much the results that have proven hes not the man for the job, its his shoot off the hip impulsive nature that has alienated numerous players evEn turning fans against some of them. His role is to be the glue thats bids the club together from top to bottom. In this day & ageblunt honesty only sells newspapers. You have to be smarter. I would have no confidence he would take the club fooball. Instead of getting the best out of players like Vertongen,Paulinho, Soldado we would probably make good with good British sorts who he could trust and fit his mold of what a pro should be. Hes a poor mans Keegan, full of passion, heart in the right place but hasnt got the smarts (yet) to be top dog imo. Levy is impulsive and has had a mare the last 18 months, but dont forget the backing he has providied. We shoud be very careful what we wish for.
gatch75
we shall find out sooner rather than later what will happen.COYS
tarkan mardinCOYS
How long are we prepared to wait, 3 months, 6, 12? Herein lies the problem.
ItalianYiddo
If we want to get these players going, then maybe FDB is the logical appointment. He's already stated he sees himself as a coach to improve players and play in a system to get the best out of them. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Very true for Tim, no decision should be made on 2 games. I donít think this is the case and Levy will have a good idea of a plan for next year. For us I hope it involves a decent challenge and a major push for CL to put us back on track. Itís understandable that with a transition season with so many extra changes, it would be a tougher task to compete with a few of the other teams around us... and I wonder what would have happened if AVB had been given the full season? Same for Tim. But this doesnít change the fact that we can find our feet again and come back stronger regardless with Tim or new management. Agree about defense issues, they have come back but can be fixed. When it all falls into place in sure this experience will have helped greatly. Canít wait to get back to the lane on Sunday. COYS.
SpursOne2
Cider imo the squad is a bit too one dimensional, it lacks pace and or quick footed players. too many players who look and play the same way, modders is the best example of what we were and are missing IMO, dynamic pace changer, he can change the direction and the pace of game in the blink of an eye instead of the turning of a number 48 bus........Dublin, can I call you Dubs? the problem with those stats is none of them re in the prem, it's just a different world, i am sure some will step up given the experience of this season, Capoue for instance just looks like he can play in any league and Chriches looks like such a good footballing CB that he might get use to the physical stuff and pace sooner rather than later. To me Paulinho doesnt want to be here, that might be partly CL, partyly ego and partly Brazilian world cup on the horizon.
pjcoys1883
Great article and many great responses... cider, what has KKK got to do anything with Spurs?!

We are supporters and we can say anything we want - it's our only channel of communicating with each other - we are not accountable for Spurs in any way what so ever... we have the right to say what we see about our club; they don't pay us we pay them through going to games and so on... so please lets get off the platitudes of having a halo saying nothing against the players, who are playing like numskulls, and a manager, who ought to be somewhere while insulting everyone else on here.

For me I think I've reached my capacity in debating who the next manager should be - I'm hoping for FdB but would be happy for anyone experienced with a successful background at a high level and who doesn't need a dose of imodium for speech control!

As expected I will back the new man, as I did with all the others previously, as long as he doesn't bring the club into disrepute through words or actions. Simples.

Highgatespur
Great squad - proved by getting to 6th without a qualified manager to guide them.... Agree Dublin, Cider, nothing there to prove otherwise. In fact, increasing proof on a daily basis....
Highgatespur
Highgate I brought up KKK not Cider, why not ask me?
pjcoys1883
gatch75 - newcomer? - agree with most part of your posting. Passion ? - no way like Keegan - NO way!!!
Highgatespur
IY - wait for what ? success or the announcement ?
Highgatespur
Dubs is fine pj. Is pj ok?
Dublin Hotspur
Synopsis of the season - simple - 'let's move on....'

No response to my letter re the renewal yet !!!
Highgatespur
It's not only losing to the top 4 teams that annoys me, but the manner in which we lost those games. 6-0; 5-0; etc. Though losing those games at 1 nil would also result in the same thing points wise, our goals difference would have been much better. Anyway, I am not a Dim fan as I'd take Harry over him any day - AND - I'm not even a Harry fan. I would have preferred Van Gaal, but another thing that vilifies me is how we tout players or Managers & the whole world seems to know our business before we the fans can even deliberate over them. Can't the Board be discrete in their dealings??? Willian was an example when Chelsea gazumped us, now Man Utd. are doing the same with Van Gaal. Irritating. COYS
DaSPURS
If it came to Pochettino, like Cider I would give him a chance. Some have posted reservations but he's managed two teams who are not considered strong in Espanol and Southampton. I think he's done very well in the EPL and he plays attractive, pressurised football. Also note he's beaten Liverpool and Chelsea which is not to be scoffed at. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
With all due respect Coopsie, I didn't bother researching Rogers stats, as he wasn't under consideration for the Spurs job. I did in fairness point out that Martinez's figures, had been skewed by his time at Wigan (a club that shouldn't have been in the PL, and wouldn't have been for as long, but for him, and he won the FA Cup there as well), but that he had proved the anomaly of the Wigan stats, by his >50% win stats at Swansea and Everton, so I would certainly be delighted were he to come to us. Pochittino on the other hand, has had a long period at Espanyol, and a season and a bit at Southampton, and has still not been able to return a win ratio of 40% at either, which by any measure is simply not good enough for an aspiring top 4/5 PL club like Spurs. A win % of 40 at Spurs would represent a regression back towards mid table safety (along with ironically Southampton), we need to win more than 15 games a season. I would agree that Ancellotti, Benitez, Mancinni, LVG, would be the better candidates, but we are unlikely to get any of them, and my point was that of the 3 candidates highlighted in the article i.e. Pochittino, Martinez and Frank De Boer, Pochittino has by far the least able option according to his previous history, and I'm sorry but I stand by that conclusion. I just don't understand why people think he can take us forward, he might be the cheap option, but we would regret his appointment.
Frank
I think Dim has done ok for a temporary manager, and would thank him very much and send him back to work with the kids, obtain his badges and maybe in the future ! who knows. I think that a major part of our problems is DL and ENIC and to a certain extent our fans, ok AVB was not playing attractive football, and we got spanked a couple times ! big deal, we were a club in "Transition" a over used word I know but we had just sold our best player and had 7 new team members to integrate so time was of the essence, but we are an impatient bunch, and easily upset when things don't go our way it would appear DL is the same. What we need is some stability and to get that you have to have the important roles within the club fixed and not for 6-12 or 18 months but for a number of years. I am not a great believer in win/lose stats, when managers are being discussed, because as already mentioned earlier here, its the fit that works, Martin O'Neal not the best tactician or coach in the world but built solid hard working teams, based on sound principles of defend first, then take your chances when you get them. I think either FDB or Benetez are our only real options, and they need to be given time, by both the board and the fans or they will be off and we will, as with AVB never no what they could or could not have achieved ! we do as mentioned by Hudder need a manager with balls, to stand up and be counted when the chips are down, to command respect in the boardroom/dressing room/ and just as importantly in front of the fans. As a side issue I am really happy for Gus Poyet, he has shown balls since taking over Sunderland and congrats to him for keeping them up.
totuae
TR good post!! And good article OVM
Ossie
Dubs yes PJ is fine with me. Highgate the same squad was 7th with a qualified manager.
pjcoys1883
totuae, I agree with you
Highgatespur
Thanks Oyvey, in terms of Sherwood being the "fall guy" maybe your right but the other side of the coin is that it looks like he is going to earn around say a million for a few months work and his credentials as a manager enhanced. The problem with him is that he has shown very little as showing signs of being a top manager. His only sucess i can recall is with adey who the last manager clearly had a problem with. I can recall one peice of team selection which was genius or the ability to change things during a game. Hoddle was proven 100% correct imo. As you may be able to guess i didnt like sherwood as a player or manager, he is all about me me me imo
troffer2
How has Pochittino done "very well in the EPL", he has managed 54 games at Southampton, won 23 of them (39%) and lost 19 of them 35%, anybody satisfied with that is easily pleased. All this with some of the most coveted young players in the league (Shaw, Lalana, Ward-Prowse, Rodriguez among others). In individual games his team has flattered to deceive, but over the season have been just above average. Hopefully we are better than that, is he?
Frank
Frank he is no way first choice, but if Spurs bring him in I'll back him. I know the game has changed a lot these days but when the great Bill Nicholson first managed Spurs the club was below mid table. Keith Burkingshaw joined from an unfashionable team in Scunthorpe Utd. Neither had first division mangerial experience but both changed the clubs fortunes. I'm not saying he's in the same class, but you've got to give him a chance if hired COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
troffer2 - great posting - which was the solitary moment then ?
Highgatespur
Here are the views from another lot of us ... Benitez ??? Hmmmm

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/05/08/spurs-fans-react-to-benitez-rumours-on-twitter/
Highgatespur
Itís pretty obvious that most on here have an idea of who they want to come in as manager, and thereís nothing wrong with that. I just hope that when itís all settled everyone gets behind the guy, whether they wanted him or not. How long will it be before someone says, ĎI didnít want him in the first placeí. I believe that managing THFC at this time is a massive job and I hope ĎMr Whoeverí gets at least one full season before the abuse starts.
Geofspurs
Frank i think its measured against expectations, Pulis for manager of the year many are saying on here, where have Palace finished? yes he should be up for manager of the year, because he has them over achieving. Having said that I hope we are better than that, but he has shown enough to suggest he could well step up if he gets a better squad of players and or bigger budget to build a better squad, still about 5th or 6th on my list though
pjcoys1883
good post Geof as usual, but no chance
pjcoys1883
Geof, I will support any manager that comes in, as long as he is a manager or qualified coach! Did with AVB. Will with the next guy. I'm hoping I will be in awe of his brilliance, mind!
Dublin Hotspur
For those interested in Tottenham's Brazilian yiddo

Good morning where you are. Interesting interview with Sandro in the Brazilian edition of ESPN this morning. Iíve become so disillusioned with Spurs this season that itís refreshing to hear one of our lot say something more meaningful than the usual mind numbing ďweíve got to bounce back and push onĒ rubbish. Even if what is being said is that theyíd welcome a move to another club.

You see, it was inevitable that if we were bored, frustrated and angry, the some of the players were very likely to be feeling the same way.
Hereís what ďThe BeastĒ actually said:

He ( Sherwood ) will leave at the end of the season. Then, new coach, new everything. I do not know anything yet, but Iím happy to have my name talked about the size of a club S„o Paulo. Anyway , it would be very difficult for a loan here .
If out, would have to be sold and it is not close. other teams came, however, with little money.
President ( Daniel Levy ) negotiates every market, secure conversations, Bale had the case, it is not easy.Ē

Taking those words, and those of his agent from the same interview, the riddle of what is happening at Spurs right now is revealed to have all the complexity of one of those 4 piece jigsaw puzzles for toddlers.
Sandro is fed up with the prospect of another groundbreaking coaching appointment, as are we all. Sandro has 3 years remaining on his contract and so he is therefore chained to perhaps a somewhat inflated transfer value.
So unless say, S„o Paulo threaten Levy & Co. with significant amounts of cold hard cash, the only option is a loan.
This scenario will be familiar to you of course, as Paulinho was talking about being stuck in the same boat only the other week. Loaning either player would be of minimal benefit to Spurs. They would obviously lose the services of the player(s) and only benefit from the wage bill being reduced.
Well done ENIC.
Highgatespur
Highgatespur
Geof, the support for all the bosses is always there .... this one lost my support at the way he came out against the players v Chelski without a blame attached to him.... and carried on like this since!!! It's the only time I have been against the manager since it is so obvious that he is against the club IMO....There has been NO ill feeling against this one except enquiring his whereabouts when losing to Lpool. I think we need to look beyond this forum as the totality of the support for the club, which I am sure you do. COYMS!!!
Highgatespur
I would imagine Levy would take a very dim view of any player publicly stating the manager is leaving before any formal announcement has been made by the club. As much as I like Sandro I think he is out of order here.
pjcoys1883
pj really? Is it not the best kept secret that Dim is leaving. We all know it, FDB knew it, Ajax knew it, LVG knew it, the media knew it! It's no secret that Dim is leaving and I could not give a monkey that Levy will be upset with Sandro's comments! Sandro was insulted by Dim and paybacks a bitch! Dim has caused this unrest at the club and it's high time the rat was exterminated.
Mix26
That's true, PJ but we all know he's leaving, makes me wonder what really happened between those 2, cos I can't believe Sandro would act like this, just cos TS said 'he's not good enough yet to play'.
Ossie
Nice one Mix26 - own medicine never tastes good !!!!
Highgatespur
Some internet rumours - Tim and Levy are barely speaking. The dressing room is very unhappy and some players have been frozen out entirely for reasons they don't understand. Ade is off to Monaco at the end of the season. We've had an approach from PSG for Lloris and Verts wants out. What a happy squad we have.
Kong
There are 2 relevant facts about our season. We are now as high in the table, this season, as we can be but we are not as low as we can get. The final placing will be down to the players that play AND the manager who picks the team. If you are not selected for the final game then you cannot have an impact, be it good or bad! As I said earlier on here I will be pleased to see the end of TS. WISH HIM WELL WHEREVER HE GOES but please go somewhere away from THFC. I wouldn't fault Sandro for supposedly letting the cat out of the bag. It seemed pretty well known in the media anyway. Apart from fisticuffs how else can he let it be known how unhappy he is with the current situation and happy for next season. Albeit @Spurs or not. I can understand any player who has played international football for their countries being unhappy about having a non badge holding, in-experience man in charge of their futures!! As for the new manager, it matters not one jot whom I want or you want, all that matters is who Levy employs. So we'll have to suck it and see! THEN EVERYBODY GET BEHIND THE NEW MANAGER, pretty please.
longtimespur
sandro is upset at not being selected for brazil
tarkan mardinCOYS
Obviously all IMHO. COYS
longtimespur
i really wished that sandro showed the same commitment on the football pitch/training as he has making kung-fu videos because theirs one hell of a player their
tarkan mardinCOYS
Sherwood is a cock,argument over.

Tim Sherwood could have left with his head held high if he kept so many of his crazy, outspoken & ego tripping opinions to himself.

I`ll never understand why Tim Sherwood acted the way he did at times & what he was trying to achieve.

This club needs Cappello or Benitez,someone professional,Sherwood comes across as an attention seeker basking in the limelight,it backfired me old beauty & you can take your madness to QPR & be his assistant.

Sherwood to join QPR with harry next season? they`re 2 peas in a pod them two numpties.They`ve bull$hitted their way through nicely,but at the business end you get found out.
Fanny adams
Kong, you do mean club instead of squad ?!!!
Highgatespur
Then again Sandro might well be engineering his own path out. Paulinho has done a great job of it. Lloris and Eriksen have done it with their play. Adebayor has scored enough to make someone give him another contract he doesn't deserve. Capoue has shown sufficient for half of the Italian teams to want him. Vertonghen clearly has shown he will not be here next season. You can't blame Levy for this beyond the appointment. This is all man-management and when your best 5-10 players are looking for the door questions need to be asked. Other than Vertonghen, none of this was ever remotely in evidence mid-December. This was a team, that,by and large, all seemed to get along together and genuinely wanted each other to succeed. Oh how quickly things change. Now it's all me me me and it all starts with Tim who needs to say something more ridiculous every time out. Ultimately Levy is to blame, but if there are a rash of players sking for the door on Monday, allowing AVB to walk may well be one of the dumbest moves ever. These players came to play for Spurs and were brough in by the vision AVB had. What a mess. If 5-10 of our top players leave, CL will be but an oasis. COYS
peterballb
PJ generally agree with your reasoning there mate. I just want Benitez or Mancini, they come across as winners. I'd settle for FdB but whatever happens Levy has to get it right, he can't afford to sack the next manager in the next 24 months.
T.H.F.Chris
I've never seen Sandro give any less than 100% when he has played for Spurs. That also goes for the 30 odd times I saw him play for Internacionale. Wrong player to pick on. Sherwood's work rate in practice is a ed herring. Adebayor had not been n the team for months yet, after what must have been the best practice ever he was starting. It's just like Pienaar over Kranjcar. The end effect is predictable on the mental health of the squad. No one, not even Adebayor, respects Tim. He's their buddy so long as they get what they want. COYS
peterballb
Frank de Boer has not won anything outside of Holland and has not shown an ability to get his teams playing well in Europe. He is ot the answer. COYS
peterballb
peterballb - let's hear the update on the availability of players at tomorrow's press conference... I'm sure Kong will let us know...
Highgatespur
My take on the Sandro/Sherwood situation.....i really think Sandro has been burnt by Sherwood by not picking/playing him enough.this scuppered his chances of getting into the Brazilian squad....hell have no fury like an international not being pick for his country due to a lack of playing time....fernadinho got in,paulinho got in,Sandro....?....like i said in a past post,we never knew how Sandro used to train...if he was fit he was playing,even if he wasn't 100% fit he would still make the bench.....smells like player alienation to me.

having said that i do think that it was wrong of Sandro to come out like this.he could have just bide his time for 1 more match like verts,soldado et al...maybe he's trying to put out fire with gasoline.which is a bit dangerous,but then again i suppose its a case of when in rome....do as the sherwoods do.

if /when Mr Sherwood does go,i think that a few of our players are going to come out of the woodwork and slate him to kingdom come...i hope not as it cheapens the club as a whole but i can see it happening.
g. roberts testes
Sandro was a longshot to make the Brazil squad. He has older players who have been capped many times. Sandro's Senior National career has been as a sub. He'll get his time but Russia was always more likely. He is not the ideal player for international officials and he does not really play the Scolari way. COYS
peterballb
it might be interesting tomorrow the press conference,no doubt tim will be asked about the sandro quote
tarkan mardinCOYS
peterballb-is owen coyle still on your radar?
tarkan mardinCOYS
I expect the players will slate Sherwood with their feet. They will walk and go play elsewhere. I fully understand players that would not get behind the next "project". Regardless of whether they like the new guy or not, he may be fired/let go/walk away in a matter of months leaving them all to deal with the next appointment. Why we didn't just reach out to Ryan Nelsen is beyond me. Ginola in 7 months. What are the odds? He'll at least have his badges. COYS
peterballb
Highgate, Yes will keep everyone updated with the press conference if I am around unless Sherwood says too much which will cause this place to go into meltdown then I might not
Kong
Owen Coyle would have been a far better choice than Tim. He does not have any experience managing a club in four competitions, so he is not on my list which I gave the other day. That said, as an interim manager (who was available) he would have been an excellent choice as he is strict on fundamentals and rules, believes only in the "team" and his players will go through walls for him. If you look at all of those attributes and ask where we are severely lacking, you'll see why I would proffer such a name. Plus he played for Dumbarton and as my father also did, I have a certain fondness for him and wish him well. I'd take him any day of the week over continuing in the current vein. or is it vain? COYS
peterballb
Kong, no doubt about Adebayor. His loyalty will shine wherever the money is. We will not pay him what he wants and levy will make money on him. He is everything that is wrong with modern sports, and, society. As soon as he was not going to be available for the first game last season against Newcastle, Levy should have pulled the plug on the deal. His commitment has always been to money. He plays when he needs a new contract. COYS
peterballb
Thanks Kong
Highgatespur
pic.twitter.com/FMSat7cSu9
g. roberts testes
When hopefully Sherwood is sacked, he must not be allowed to remain at Spurs in any capacity, but must make a clean break. He has totally engineered his own demise, regarding the attitude of players, and fans towards him. He is never wrong, his ego won't allow it. He is arrogant, with his loose tongued comments, i.e. "managing a PL club isn't rocket science" or "don't criticise me unless you have played the game" or "no he is not injured, i don't think he is good enough to play" or his first gem, "I am not a caretaker, I want the job properly or I'll walk away" or his rant against Glen Hoddle. The bloke has made his bed, made his enemies, and now he is reaping what he has sown. If he was to stay around when a new man comes in, he would be poison in the background, and make the transition very difficult. I just feel sorry for whoever has to salvage the wreckage, in terms of replacing those that leave, repairing the spirit and the atmosphere, not only with the players but throughout the whole club, and convincing them that are left, that they and the new man must roll their sleeves up, and get us back where we belong. Mr. Sherwood has done a lot of damage both on and off the pitch, that will take a lot of repairing. We are 6th or 7th depending on our last game v Villa, and with or without any European Football next season, neither position is good enough, and must be improved upon.
Frank
This season has been shambolic and it's no wonder players are thinking of leaving. Very unprofessional on all fronts and Levy has a lot to answer for. Like THFC Chris sais on another article, Levy needs to get the next appointment right. That is why I think Benitez is top of his list. Proven winner and has PL and European experience. The thing is will he adapt to Spurs way of playing or will he play it safe with a tight defence and try to win games by a goal to nil? COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
I personally believe Sherwood lost the team at " hello ", selected a 19yo with no P/L experience ahead of seasoned professionals and told them it was because he didn't know them and trusted the youngster before them . I know how I would have felt in their position , show no respect , get none back . Respect starts from the top .
sandroman
The last two managers, one that got us into the CL, and one who broke the club's points record, were both removed from the club because they fell out with Levy, as many had done before. He is a little man with a massive ego, who wont tolerate anything other than obedience from his troops. I have a fear that because he has manufactured him, Sherwood may be beholding and servile to him, and more easy to rule and manipulate than some experienced incomer, with superior knowledge and ability, and an opinion and an ego of his own, and that for this reason he will defy reason and opinion, and stick with him.
Frank
If indeed TS does go not sure that will stop some players wanting out , a lot of the problem IMO has to do with the vision they were sold to come to Spurs and they are coming to the realisation that what they bought into doesn't have a lot of foundation . Bought tickets to a banquet , ended up at a picnic .
sandroman
Levy will be lynched if he stuck with Tim and he knows it. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
LOL ;-) https://twitter.com/SpursFunnies/status/464413691748687872/photo/1
coopsieyid
Frank , scary prospect re TS being kept on board just to groom Levy's ego . I think Levy will do whatever is best from a financial standpoint to protect his and Lewis' investment . That's all he has ever done , no decision will be made with football success as the first priority .
sandroman
Coopsie, thanks bought a smile to my face!!!
Highgatespur
WOWÖevery forum you go on itís the same. Itís gone from people wishing TS well but we need a new manager to full blown hating the guy! What can you sayÖ.heís done it to himself. Should have just kept your trap shut Timmy boy.
hudderspur
Why don't Sandro just kick the f### out of Tim and Levy, upload the video to YouTube and retire from the wealth he will receive from the millions that will want to watch it

Pele10 has been banging on about it for god knows how many years, but he is 100% right. Levy needs to be removed from his position and ideally ENIC need to sell up and pi$$ off. PLEASE, PLEASE....All fans need to direct anger at Levy/ENIC on Sunday. This is our last chance to say something until August........
yiddyboy
No sympathy
Highgatespur
No sympathy
Highgatespur
As it's manager related, I figured I'd put this here..........

Who: The Goat
When: 8th May 2014
Where: There

The Goat hears a few snippets, some of which we already knew or is pretty obvious but nonetheless, here it is.

Tim and Levy are barely speaking. He won't be our manager next season.
The dressing room is very unhappy and some players have been frozen out entirely for reasons they don't understand.
Ade is off to Monaco at the end of the season.
We've had an approach from PSG for Lloris. No idea what our response has been.
Verts wants out. Don't know if we've had any offers for him though.
coopsieyid
yiddyboy, Levy would basically have to fire himself. While Joe Lewis is probably not as pleased as he could be with the results on the pitch (not that he is ever there) the results for the corporation continue to do well and the stadium will be goig ahead. Levy will, I am quite certain, be in his position until the stadium is built. Levy is a substantial owner of ENIC and, as such, is kind of protected. My only wish is that he defer all football decisions to the DOF after setting the budget. Focus on the stadium and naming rights and sponsorships and gowing the Spurs brand. COYS
peterballb
yiddyboy, it was tried v WBA but not enough enthusiasm.... Id be inclined to say lets get the manager in first...
Highgatespur
I'm not saying that results would have been massively different, but I do wonder what the mood of us fans and the players would have been like if Steffan Freund had been given the temporary role.
SpursEagle
Oh, and Highgate -- Regarding the "Timmy for Tottenham" campaign me and Italian mentioned yesterday ... No, we were not being serious :)
SpursEagle
SpursEagle - phew that's a relief .... you never know these days LOL!!!!!
Highgatespur
More on that earlier 'gossip' from The Goat...

Who: The Journalist
When: 9 minutes ago

"I totally acknowedge what the goat has said. To say there is unrest at the cub is an understatement. Many pleyers have questioned the clubs direction and a number of players have made noises about wanting out. Lloris wants out for a start and a number of players will follow"................
coopsieyid
Happy 80th Birthday to Maurice Norman! COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Dubs hi mate do you want to decrease the bet on Lloris?
pjcoys1883
If it is true that players want out and are questioning the club then levy has truly messed up. Whoever comes in will have a tough time.
Kong
I have just had the best jehovah`s witnesses in the world knock at my door a minute ago,they were brilliant,loved them.The world has hope ladies & gentlemen,the world has hope.

I answered the door & THEY told me to phuck off.
Fanny adams
PJ, the bet is ok, Ä10 = 1.78 pints in my local, prob 3 in yours! (excise is a bugger here!) I'm fine with it, but it will be paid over a pint sometime hopefully! I'll be there for King Ledleys party so maybe there! Hope I win, not for the price of a pint, but because Hugo has probably saved us from relegation this season!
Dublin Hotspur
You boys willing to sell Sandro to us? Would love to have him play in Red!!

How many more bad managerial appointments need to be made before the finger of blame gets pointed at the one making the appointments rather than the managers themselves.

Galway Gooner
Kong, at this stage, whoever comes in will have to determine immediately who will stay and work for him and who will not. Those who will not need to be put in the shop window immediately and sold assuming we get our valuation. Vertonghen, Sandro, Capoue, Lloris, Eriksen, Adebayor, Dembele will not be hard to move. With fair market valuations we could be looking at 150M coming in. Add to that the funds from the increased television revenues and other sales that will happen and we could have 200M to spend.

I would be inclined to tell all of the players that they will not be sold until January, and only then if we are not in reach of the CL and if we are not still progressing in the cups. To make such a statement, Levy will have to make a statement in the next hiring. I think it would be absolute folly to sell any of the players that we have acquired these past two seasons with the exceptions of Adebayor and Vertonghen. Adebayor because it's all money with him and Vertonghen because he has not been the same player since his name and Barcelona appeared in the same breaths. He is a top CB and there is a market for him. Adebayor has proven again, that, when he wants to play, he can. We will make a decent profit on both and could take that 25M, add to it by selling Falque, Livermore and a couple of others who just aren't in the picture, and then further add to it by taking this season's extra TV revenues and the transfer surplus to have 60-70M for transfers. Get in a keeper (Steckelenberg), get Caulker back if Lewis will allow, Umtiti as competition and cover on the left side of defence (CB and LB), another CB and use the balance on a striker to replace Adebayor/Defoe. It would give the new Manager until January to work with a largely settled squad, determine who he feels are surplus and win over those he really wants to stay. If things aren't going to plan, it is a certainty that the new manager will have an idea of who he needs to buy and who needs to be sold. Players won't need to ask because if it is not working, a change is needed. The only way to salvage this is to get a name in and let them do their job with the knowledge that no players will be allowed out until January and only then if things are not going well. COYS
peterballb
Yes I am going Monday Dublin probably go in the Bricklayers half six 7 ish, too early to pay up but i do hope I lose this one. Fanny did they say Sherwood was crap and pay bring you 3 insults, a goat, insults and oly murr's lastest single. (trying to make my jokes not very good) Kong Levy is on a roll that's for sure as Glenn Hoddle would say.
pjcoys1883
Peter Verts and Barca, or shall we say BCN. I used to be a fan of The Foresight Saga.
pjcoys1883
I'll buy you a pint PJ, I'll have the shamrock Rovers / Spurs split scarf on! similar to the one I left behind the bar for the home leg of that Qual! (Hoping for a similar draw next season!) Will be the best game and best atmosphere of the season! Ill be in the pride from around 5!
Dublin Hotspur
You planning the celebration of the news already Dublin.... hoping the news is just around the corner !!
Highgatespur
peterballb - I know too well that Levy is untouchable, but the more noise directed at him will hopefully put more pressure on him to do something right.
Does Joe Lewis actuall y watch our games or is he more a silent owner only looking at the balance sheet. I see ENIC have a huge decision to make, do they stick or twist? Selling now would get a reasonable return for them, if they carry on as it is that sum will only decrease when we drop further down the table back to where we were when they took over.
yiddyboy
Big time highgate! Gonna be in the two pubs, and the Irish centre post match! Hopefully see ya!
Dublin Hotspur
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/05/08/ib-tottenham-latest-more-speculation-surrounding-sherwood-as-ano/? Apparently Levy is finally going to sign Leonardo
In-spurs-ational
Lol I will only believe it when Leonardo dons the shirt! COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Key sentence from this article!!!

Has Tottenham's handling over their search for a new boss been a PR disaster?
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin, the pride and ? ... will do my best to meet up either pre or post... will be wearing my TS mask with customary body warmer LOL!!!
Hopefully not a PR disaster just got the timing wrong - the december thing should've never happened!
Highgatespur
Sombre reading - courtesy of Dear Mr Levy blog.... WARNING - Hurtful but accurate nonetheless... 2nd part follows

"A list of some of the low points of the season. It's okay, read this and you'll want to drink or get high so there's a positive to be had.

Losing to Arsenal three times. The first time they finished the game with six defenders. The second time we turned up with a kid in midfield that should have been sent off for a stamp and then watched Danny Rose self-capitulate. The third time they got lucky - proving that regardless of how they perceive their own under achievements, we're always there to make them look good. Although they looked like the ****'s they are in that selfie.

Losing to West Ham United three times. Let that sink in for a moment. This is like an adult going to the park, jumpers for goalposts, and letting his three year old daughter triple nug-meg him before she wheels away in celebration to the ice cream van. Well done Spammers, what an absolute gem of a trophy - defeating the 'worst' Tottenham team of the past five years whilst sitting 20 and some points below them in the table. Another glorious chapter for the history books.

Thrashed by the sides perceived to be our peers (or thereabouts before the season kicked-off) having spent several years fixing that tragic non-existent record against the seasoned 'top four'. Blame the lack of methodical astuteness in perpetration but please do not ignore the application of the millionaire footballers too busy with Instagram to bother with the basics. You know, stuff like self-pride and desire.

Signing £100M (and not a left-back in sight) worth of players that the existing coach couldn't quite grab a handle on and then see the interim coach dismiss several of them out of hand as not being good enough (or not recognising them from You Tube) whilst contradicting himself in a web of hypocrisy that on the one hand has him admit he won't be the boss post-summer and on the other cry foul play that coaches are tapping themselves up for 'his' job. In the mean time, Levy and Lewis might need to book in another Bahamas trip to see if they can eclipse the hope birthed last summer. Go on lads, get your tops off on that yacht again. Let's just be grateful it won't be van Gaal gripping his balls in the sunshine. Actually, I only wish it was.

Sending Lewis Holtby out on loan having signed him earlier than planned a season prior (and paying a fee for it) thanks to desperation because of depth squad issues and then use him as a utility player from that point on - rendering his individualistic traits clouded and redundant for Spurs and then sending Lewis Holtby out on loan having signed him...

Goal difference of top seven clubs: 63 - 50 - 43 - 25 - 20 - 1 - 21. Single digit glory.

The clubs persistence with dancing around the Yid word controversy to the point where the the supporters back it as a ruling majority (via the third party survey THFC sent out to season ticket holders) yet still have them tell us that the newly respected minority are offended by its use. The conclusion being that now the word within the context of Spurs fans using it is not deemed punishable in court, the club now want to concentrate on what offends people and attempted to eradicate it with this new founded argument.

The amount of players we have that are meant to be really good and yet we don't have a clue in how to utilise them (Dembele, Paulinho, Holtby, Chadli, Soldado, Capoue and so on) with the accompanying mental collapse mindset that has seen our recent solid spirit and team morale crumble quicker than a badly baked tea cake.

Having to deal with a manager with zero top flight experience talk the talk when he hasn't even endeavoured to walk the walk. Technically speaking he's just about crawling. At least he's a decent dribbler. If the season's capitulation wasn't enough, he's given us running commentary for half of it on why everyone and everything is useless. Except himself; the oracle of truth napalm, carpeting bombing our senses to dust. Best win ratio % of any Spurs manager. Worst loss ratio % of any Spurs manager. Pick one, then foam at mouth

Highgatespur
Part 2 of Dear Mr Levy blog...

Spurs fans that still persist in either:
a) Looking to the past and AVB, a coach that broke Spurs but also broke himself whilst being broken by Spurs. It's like when Bane broke the back of Batman in the comics and Bruce Wayne recovered in South American but Andre has ventured to Zenit for his recuperation - a club that share with equal measure of delight moody videos of their coach walking through the woods and aberrantly racist supporters

b) Persistently mention and compare everything to AVB's tenure in crude attempt to avoid admitting that Tim Sherwood (a celebrated appointment in their eyes when it happened) is pretty much as defunct as the person he replaced, but God forbid Spurs fans seek a call to arms when protecting their own agenda and ego is of far more prevalent importance."

Food for thought aye?
Highgatespur
Serious question ... How long do people think it will take a new manager to determine who needs to go and who needs to stay?!
Geofspurs
Highgate ... 'Food for thought' sure enough! Sadly, too much truth in that.
Geofspurs
I see a ton of discontent with Levy and TS......what about Baldini who bought these guys - why is no one pointing the finger of blame at him!!?....Is it because we all see the potential of each of them, but as of yet no real sign of their collective or individual worth, and are doing a 'jury's still out' on them?........Another point: TS said he was the one who suggested DRose moved to LB...not sure I'd've wanted anyone to know had I done that!!....maybe he thinks DR is a work in progress and mistakes made are mere teething troubles on the way to the finished article...maybe that's how all coaches view their teams?......For me, like Tim or not, I feel we can't improve with his system, as we're too easy to beat playing his way.
Brown-Baker-Henry
A more depressing thought is I saw no media coverage of VE Day yesterday. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Geof, seriously it should take no time at all to work out the riffs and raffs - by end of preseason. By January window the 'improbables' from the probables from August.... Basically it ought not to take that long ... we do have a squad worthy to be named as 'Mighty Spurs'!!!

Thats what I meant by 'hurtful'!!! too much undeniables!!! Take care.
Highgatespur
BBH - there has always been Levy"ENIC detractors from day 1 - there will always be of owners... one slight move from Levy away from footballing matters will do the trick IMO.... As for TS - two more days I hope! Take care.
Highgatespur
James, amazing that as it is still celebrated in a number of European countries. Shame ain't it ?
Highgatespur
Highgatespur I just don't get it. It's something that should be celebrated and a time to reflect on the people who have suffered/lost during the war. I think I'll stop there. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
James, without saying too much - it's commemorated within my circle of influence - more and more people are forgetting about the WWs and the main reasons for them let alone the consequences. The 'event' is certainly a humble experience....
Highgatespur
That's good to know Highgatespur. Long may it continue. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
I wished that somebody hadn't reminded me that it was Maurice Norman's 80th birthday, I watched him regularly after he arrived from Norwich, and that information today makes me feel fecking old, and I don't need reminding.
Frank
Oh my word, good memories though aye ?!!
Highgatespur
Frank I'm sorry you feel that way. You know the old saying..you're only as old as you feel. I still think I'm 18! COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
James - I thought you were!!!
Highgatespur
Hahahaha I wish I were Highgatespur ;) COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Cider you are a little teaser....lol. no itk at all.
longtimespur
Who: The Goat

When: 6th May

Where: SC

The Goat has been told that Tim 'should' be given the bad news after the Villa game, we don't want anything to take away from Ledley's game the next day.

Who:cabinessence

Where:FTL

When: 6/5/14

Rock Solid info

For all those Tim haters you'll be pleased to know he's history. Don't know when or who'll come on. Just that he's being replaced. Usual source.

Who: The Goat

When: 8th May 2014

Where: SC

The Goat hears a few snippets, some of which we already knew or is pretty obvious but nevetheless, here it is.

Tim and Levy are barely speaking. He won't be our manager next season.

The dressing room is very unhappy and some players have been frozen out entirely for reasons they don't understand.

Ade is off to Monaco at the end of the season.

We've had an approach from PSG for Lloris. No idea what our response has been.

Verts wants out. Don't know if we've had any offers for him though.

Where: SC

When: now 8 May

The Journalist said:

I totally ackowedge what the goat has said. To say there is unrest at the cub is an understatement. Many players have questioned the clubs direction and a number of players have made noises about wanting out. Lloris wants out for a start and a number of players will follow.

Who: The Goat

When: 9th May

Where: SC

The Goat has had his earhole whispered into, some of which fleshes out yesterdays bits.

Lloris is more likely to go to Monaco than PSG now that Valdes is injured. (Hugo's brother plays just down the road in Nice)

Kaboul is looking like he'll be released.

Capoue - was close to joining Napoli on deadline day in January. A deal was agreed in principle for around 9m but at the last minute Daniel Levy upped it to 14m, plus clauses for champions league qualification, Serie A winners etc and a big sell on fee.

The whole thing about Sherwood not knowing who he (Capoue) is etc when he picked Bentaleb drove him insane and they had words a few times about it. The whole Bentaleb thing was part of TS trying to bluff his way to DL that he could save him cash i.e. playing the game.

Not many of the players like Sherwood (nothing new I know) and some of the players have said that its the worst atmosphere we've had at WHL in years.

Vertonghen is willing to stay if FdB gets the job.

neogenesis SC Today:

As i said before Poch wants in at Tottenham, things are moving in the wrong direction for Poch at Saints as the boards new 5 year plan includes stabalising around where they have finished this year, Poch isnt up for that and wants genuine ambition, the board are mindful of wages when you look at the wage expenditure of the teams above them. (Lambert is on less than Townsend at Spurs)

Player wise, lallana will only stay put if Poch does, The Sun has it right this morning mind you and he wants to talk to Liverpool should a bid come in.

Shaw and Rodriguez are happy to stay Saints, however Saints know Shaw will move on its whether they get what they think he is worth this summer.

Man Utd are sniffing around Clyne.

Remember folks, it's supposedly ITK. Sometimes right, sometimes wrong. Purely your choice on whether you believe or not. That said, some of these guys are not too far of the mark at times.
cider spurs
Looking back through some of the articles it appears coops has covered most of this. Oh well, for those of you who have missed it, here you are, for those who've read already. SORRY!. I have had a very tiresome week however. Should really get some rest.
cider spurs
Cheers CiderÖ the worrying thing is how unsettled everyone is! I think we need Frank to settle things down , take a breath for a year and push on with the plan from there (while winning the FA cup and EL!)
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