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At All Costs?

Athletico Madrid came within a whisker of achieving a league and Champions league double, which would have been a truly remarkable achievement, when you consider their richer rivals.

Now I watched the game with interest. Part of me wanted the former Spurs boys to lift the trophy, but in equal measure, I wanted the underdog to beat their world dominating neighbour and really ruffle the feathers of the games elite. What did finally sway me was the cynical manner of how Athletico went about achieving their goal, in a win at all costs manner that was hardly something for the purists.

Now don`t get me wrong, I love the physical aspect of the game, but is it better than the beautiful one? Of course in a perfect world, we would have the right mix of both disciplines, but on Saturday and many other occasions this season, the Athletico quality and superb team work and organisation was tarnished by a cynical side that mirrored that of their manager.

This brings me to my question. Would you accept seeing Tottenham play in such a physical and cynical manner or would you demand we won in the way of our tradition and that is playing entertaining and attacking football. Taking it further would you be prepared to win dirty or be happier winning nothing, but playing in a way that entertains first and foremost?

Of course we are right in wanting more fight and leadership in the current Tottenham side, however is there a step too far for us as fans to accept a winning team?..



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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Monday May 26 2014
Time: 1:30PM

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anti football, shocking tactics from AM, would of been a great shame if AM won this, and DS was a disgrace at the end of the game.
123spurs
26/05/2014 13:40:00
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We need a mixture Ox. We need the iron fist in the velvet glove. At the moment we're a velour glove and our fist is made of ice-cream. As a quick aside did you hear that Athletico Madrid's wage bill for this season is less than QPRs. Imagine paying wages that are less than a Championship club and winning La Liga and losing the CL final in extra time. Shows you don't have to pay through the nose, you just need the right players led by the right manager. More characters, more team players, more hungry professionals and less prima donna's with their heads firmly rammed up their own backsides.
SpuriousLife
26/05/2014 13:43:00
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you can have a mixture of both, if you dont you only have one plan hense when it wen to extra time AM didnt no what to do, if they go behind there plan A is gone. TEAM effort should be standard when you dont have the ball, i learn't at school boys. everton shold of this season, we didnt show it, lik of verts and paulinho couldnt care less
123spurs
26/05/2014 13:44:00
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Agree with first post 123. But in a CL final, grind out the win as you can! They played better through the season! Simeone had a meltdown! But it was the final! I think there is a balance! Play with flair from the off, lock down when required!
Dublin Hotspur
26/05/2014 13:49:00
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How many Atletico players were booked for diving in? More than half the team? In the end Real's classier players and more positive attitude won them the game... Simeone lost it at the end, beginning with his sarcastic applause aimed at Ancelotti, who's greater experience, shown in his tactical tweaks, shone through. Atletico did defend fantastically well, until they were dead on their feet but, Real were more than able to take advantage, having more strength and superior skills at the end. A combination of both teams approach would be ideal. Grit, determination, fight, a winning mentality and the skill and craft to entertain.... Ladies and Gentleman, I give you the new Spurs!
MAN ON!
26/05/2014 13:52:00
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...but Dublin, it didn't win them the match!
MAN ON!
26/05/2014 13:54:00
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Fight hard...Fight fair!.
Cider spurs
26/05/2014 13:56:00
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I know that man on, and agree with your post! I think it was the only way they could see them winning this one looking at the 2 squads!
Dublin Hotspur
26/05/2014 13:58:00
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As some have stated, I think a balance of power and flair. I don't want Spurs labelled the new Stoke. By all means get up and at em', but this can still be done fairly and in a professional manner. I want Spurs to win being renowned for the beautiful, fair and exciting way they play. Give no others the opportunity to tarnish our successes for poor sportsmanship, but more have all and sundry drooling over the way we play.
Cider spurs
26/05/2014 14:01:00
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Real have three times our income, five times Atletico's, spot the flaw in the fantasy ?
jod
26/05/2014 14:05:00
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Finals in football are never pretty so can't see the point really. To criticise AM for tactics in 1 game of their season is cheap to say the least. They won the La Liga and were clapped off the park by 90 000 Barcelona supporters. I doubt our supporters have any such humility in them.
Mix26
26/05/2014 14:08:00
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Too true Mix...We've not got the clap!.
Cider spurs
26/05/2014 14:17:00
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Cider there's distinct differences in Spanish football where diving, play acting and malicious tackling are what make it good yet bad at the same time. I've seen a RM kick the sheit outa Barca on a few occasions. I think it was ronaldo or Bale stating how close the encounters between the two clubs have been this season and how tough the fixture was going to be. The desire to win got both teams to the final so it's no surprise we saw what to me was an outstanding match filled with proper drama and in the end the best team won.
Mix26
26/05/2014 14:29:00
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Mix...I watched the game, like you I witnessed a hard fought contest by varying styles, factor in what was at stake and easy to understand maybe a bit of kidology or rash challenge. Remember Gazza vs Forest in the cup Final?.
Cider spurs
26/05/2014 14:35:00
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Good posts Mix26... a mixture of the two strategies is so important... trying to play silky football all the time was the flaw in the HR and Ossie's time with the club....
Highgatespur
26/05/2014 14:37:00
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jod. Income has nothing to do with the way a team sets up to play.
MAN ON!
26/05/2014 14:38:00
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Oooh Cider i'm still a young pup mate and the only stuff I've seen live other than the history channel is gazza in and outa hospital lol
Mix26
26/05/2014 14:40:00
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I agree mix. They were after all just 1 minute away from victory.
MAN ON!
26/05/2014 14:40:00
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I thought Atletico defended really well and that is as important as any attacking flair you might have as a team. Ultimately, it's what won them the league title. A lack of grit and defensive fight is what lost Liverpool the PL title.
MAN ON!
26/05/2014 14:44:00
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Mix...Jackie Chan would have been pleased with one of those challenges from Gazza.
Cider spurs
26/05/2014 14:58:00
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hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Mix26
26/05/2014 15:00:00
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In any game, you coach your players to excel at what they do in a framework of maximising your potential against the opponent of the day while doing your best to minimalize the opponent's potential. At times it can mean anti-football, simply because you need to stop the opponent in order for you to succeed. Fewer and fewer games can be won just by throwing your players out without regard to limiting the opposition. Teams are too well coached nowadays and players are fit and well drilled. A style of play is a nice thing to have but any team's qualities can be limited if you have the correct plan and the disciplined players to carry ot that plan. The germane question ENIC needs to answer is, who is the manager that can best get the players we have in the squad to express themselves positivel while having the discipline to carry out a game plan that will negate the opposing team? Who is that man? Very few have a resume that suggests they will be able to manage that in four competitions, week in and week out with success as the end goal. Can't wait to hear the name of the man they hae selected to take this team forward. COYS
peterballb
26/05/2014 15:03:00
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no Pochettino
stephenspurs1210
26/05/2014 15:22:00
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no Pochettino +1
Fanny adams
26/05/2014 15:27:00
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Cup games are all about winning. I want us to win and don't care how we do it.
Jables
26/05/2014 15:36:00
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+2
MAN ON!
26/05/2014 15:44:00
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Anti football is only bad for the neutrals & the team who is more attack minded & better.

If your team wins playing anti football,or the team you want to win wins playing this way you don`t give a $hit,you call it tactical genius.

The difference between parking the bus,anti football or attacking football all depends on what team you want to win.

If an opposing team frustrates you & wins the game 1-0 then you slate them.If your team does the same & wins 1-0 then it`s a different story.

The parking of the bus came first when Spurs played Chelsea & we defended them to a 0-0 draw,Chelsea were livid.But for Spurs fans we lapped it up.
Bad for Chelsea,bad for neutrals who just want to see a good game of football,but for Spurs fans it was good.
All depends on what final result you want the game to end in,or if you don`t give a $hit & just want to see a good game of football.
Fanny adams
26/05/2014 15:51:00
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I must have been watching a different game, Real madrid should be nick named the Bakery 'cause they produce so many rolls! I saw a well drilled AM team shut down any avenue for a Real Madrid attack for 80 something minutes of the game, I saw clear dives from both teams, i saw AM being punished for it. Ronalds dive anyone? I saw cynical tackling from both teams but I only saw the real madrid players whinge to the ref for calling it. Ramos should have been sent off long before he scored the goal to tie the game. What it all boils down to is a discussion on how the game is referreed. there is so much inconsistency in the game and season on season the stakes are raised higher and higher. in fairness I thought the ref did a very decent job on saturday night and still got decisions wrong and handed out inappropriate punishments. I maybe old fashioned but I would have prefered to see AM win to prove that teams don't have to be buiilt on Billions to compete and win. I draw no satisfaction that Spurs Reseve team won the Champions league.
Slurms McKenzie
26/05/2014 15:59:00
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Fair point even Fanny! I suppose a farm point might be mainly cow and bullsheet?
Slurms McKenzie
26/05/2014 16:03:00
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Farm point fanny, wining is what matters, not loosing but being easy ont eh eye. Show me any supportor who prefers loosing playing pretty football to winning playing ugly football?
Slurms McKenzie
26/05/2014 16:03:00
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According to the papers it's Poch for sure within 48 hours! That's probably great for the purists and the all out attacking style but he will have to work hard to get this group of players to play that all out closing down style of defense when they lose the ball. Not my first choice but I will support him completely none-the-less.
jvd
26/05/2014 16:18:00
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Yea I very much doubt any media report on this. Spurs are too tight lipped in thier deals to have it scooped by the press.
Slurms McKenzie
26/05/2014 16:22:00
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And if its poochy why the delay and if its poochy its because we could not get FdB and he's still only second choice!
Slurms McKenzie
26/05/2014 16:23:00
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And it measn that ancelotti was a shoe in for the job if Mardrid has lost, thats why we waited. More Media BS.
Slurms McKenzie
26/05/2014 16:24:00
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of we get poch and he wants our players to track back, closing down etc and if players like paulinho dopt bother with it, we are back to square one, but whos fault is it, for me the players just ask TS
123spurs
26/05/2014 16:28:00
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So the new season hasn't started, the new manager hasn't been appointed, the squad hasn't been selected and we are already layign the balme for the coming season of failure at the players feet? Well as Homer said "Aim low"!
Slurms McKenzie
26/05/2014 16:34:00
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It is of course, possible to play a lot of so called anti-football and mostly lose. Likewise, play open attacking football and mostly win. Liverpool proved that this season but, defensively they let themselves down. I would prefer to watch Spurs play like Liverpool and lose occasionally rather than like Stoke and lose often. ;-)
MAN ON!
26/05/2014 16:34:00
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True man On, but if we played like stoke and lost often we would be consistent its all in how you deliver the message not the message itself. The balls out attacking approach hasn't ever really been successful, but always entertaining, Rodgers is being hailed as the new messiah by some but isn't he really just Kevin Keegan with better hair.?
Slurms McKenzie
26/05/2014 16:41:00
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He's Keegan but with a much better temperament.
MAN ON!
26/05/2014 16:46:00
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I would love it if he talked like Keegan, Love it...
Slurms McKenzie
26/05/2014 16:49:00
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Farm point! I just entered a local GAA raffle. First prize a pig, second prize, a pint. Third prize, no pig, no pint! Never won anything, but guarantee I win the pig! 4 legged snouty type before you ask! Misses will be ecstatic!
Dublin Hotspur
26/05/2014 17:04:00
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Classic GAA raffle! first prize will cost you a hell of alot more then the ticket!
Slurms McKenzie
26/05/2014 17:06:00
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Slurms McKenzie It all depends on what players you have at your disposal.
When the team is far superior to you,then you get that.
When the team is not you scratch your head because you don`t understand why your team is playing like that.

Example,,,If Real madrid played Spurs at home & we played anti football & won 1-0 we would be elated.
But if Spurs played West bromwich Albion at WHL & we won 1-0 playing anti football you have to ask why we had to play anti football to win the game.
These sorts of tactics should only take place according to your opposition,& whether your home or away.

As boring as it sounds but you need to base your tactics according to the game & opposition,& also the importance of it.

A bore draw or win in one game can mean something completely different in another.
Especially if the odds are stacked firmly in your favour,or stacked firmly against.
Fanny adams
26/05/2014 17:08:00
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Fanny, completely correct. Just look at the Liverpool v Chelsea game a few weeks ago. Anti football by Mourinho but what a great game and he got his result. Wasn't a dirty game just tactically a master game.
jvd
26/05/2014 17:16:00
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Preaching to the choir Fanny, Fielding a defensive ste-up has only really become a crime in football since Mourinhio has become outraged at other managers and coaches not letting his team win! We used to credit managers for setting their teams up to be hard to beat now its the worst trait to afflict the game since John Barnes' rapping. But then it is Sky Sports who are pushing that agenda because bore score draws are hard to sell but 6-0 thrashings are mesmerising!
Slurms McKenzie
26/05/2014 17:16:00
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Fanny adams, the issue with all that is it all begins at the back and you can't ignore that. It makes it look boring until the chemistry is there up front for the players to express themselves. The mistake we made was to ignore the defensive end while allowing more freedom up front and we conceded ridiculous goal after ridiculous goal against sides that were ready to play from the off. Lloris saved our butts so often the second half of the season it was not even funny. You can't be fully rooted in defence but you absolutely must be solid in defence before worrying about the other end. The quality is in our squad to win games 1-0. Not sexy, to be sure. We just don't have the horses to win games 4-3. We generally come out on the wrong end of that or claw back from a deficit to get a draw. Hopefully the next guy gets the balance right. Or it'll be time for Blasphemous Rumours and we'll all be chirping about Somebody. As nothing is going on, we could all be Enjoying the Silence, but, then, People Are People and we're all looking for our own Personal Jesus. Even the bookies are in on it. And then there's that Fly on the Windscreen....COYS
peterballb
26/05/2014 17:24:00
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I want my Spurs to play the slick passing game that dominates weaker teams and prevents the better teams from setting into their rhythm. This so nearly worked for AVB but the ultra caution he favoured eventually bored both us and I reckon the players too. Maybe Poch can find the right balance with the talent he will inherit. As for Athletico - they won La Liga and nearly the CL so only a fool would criticise them or their manager.
Love totty
26/05/2014 17:32:00
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Athletico came with 100 seconds of winning the Champions League. History will not remember that. History will only remember the winners. They had a game plan and it worked perfectly. They had nothing left for extra time, which was a pity. I can't say Madrid played the better football, because it was Simeone's tactics to allow them to play. Ronaldo was absent for most of the game. Bale was more of a threat. Ramos might well have been sent off if a different ref was on. In a final, with so much at stake, you adjust your tactics for the win. Mourinho did this with Inter and they frustrated Barca and got the win. Athletico, for me, was exactly how Mourinho would have played. Ancelotti did exactly the same against Bayern.
vicspur
26/05/2014 17:42:00
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If we get Frank De Boer, then we will be playing exactly the type of football we all want, dominating possession with creativity.
vicspur
26/05/2014 17:45:00
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Ancelotti though, altered his tactics with key player changes to counter Atleticos approach, knowing/seeing that they were wearing themselves out.
MAN ON!
26/05/2014 17:47:00
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MAN ON - the sign of a good manager, one who can read the game and adapt. Ancelotti is sure the best manager in the world at the moment. 3 CL as a manager and 2 as a player.
vicspur
26/05/2014 17:54:00
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Rafa Benitez :)
stephenspurs1210
26/05/2014 17:56:00
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Real did also defend well themselves. After all it was only a stupid Goalkeeping decision that cost them Atletico's one and only goal. Real/Bale could've/should've won it for them inside the 90 mins.
MAN ON!
26/05/2014 18:05:00
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Off topic... there is a new chapter of Book of Daniel .. Dear Mr Levy web site... I like the bit about West ham manager... lol
Block D Spurs
26/05/2014 18:13:00
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peterballb And how do Spurs play from the back with Walker,Rose & Dawson as 3 of your 4 backline?
How do the spread the width with lennon,Siggy & Townsend as your main outlets?

Not going to happen unless we upgrade on our average to better.This club for the last 20 years has only ever had a handful of players that can actually play & keep it on the deck.
,br>The way to win in modern football is to play deck football & have players of a technical ability.Whether that be defence,midfield or strikers.
In a back 5 of Lloris,Walker,Dawson,Vertonghen,Rose,the only 2 that can actually play football is Vertonghen & Lloris.
Our goalkeeper can play football on the deck better than some of our outfield players,you couldn`t make it up.
Fanny adams
26/05/2014 18:20:00
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Frank De boer will be named as Spurs manager later this week.

Poncho has no chance.
Fanny adams
26/05/2014 18:22:00
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Its a shame that the scoreline was as it ended, I thought AM played very well, they played to win, as has been stated above, it was a one off game and you do what you need to do, I was gutted for AM..
Andrew Haynes
26/05/2014 18:24:00
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Fanny, hope so, re FDB
Andrew Haynes
26/05/2014 18:25:00
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The Champions league final this season was the best CL final I have seen in many years. Two totally different style teams. One playing beautiful attacking football, and the other playing a gritty defensive game full of commitment and passion. It was like a heavy weight title fight, Ali v Foreman. With the tuff guy winning for much of the fight, only for the finesse and skill of Real eventually to win out. Justice was done on the night! What a game!!!
Pele10
26/05/2014 18:35:00
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Pele10.. I like that description. Ali v Foreman. It's the way I saw it myself.
MAN ON!
26/05/2014 18:37:00
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Fanny Adams, srikes me that Harry did ok with Bassong and Dawson in front of Gomes with Palacios protecting the back four. Hardly ideal, but because all XI were working for each other, tracking back, winning back the ball, it worked. Same thing this year under AVB who was 19 W, 4L and 3 D before being sacked. That's not a poor record. Yes, spanked by Ciy and Liverpool. West Ham was against the run of play and Arsenal we lost 1-0. In the other games, we pressured the opposition and worked hard to get the ball back when it was lost. And that was with the players you mention. Kaboul was supposed to be healthy. He wasn't, thus Dawson got to play. Walker is Walker (myself, I prefer Naughton because he does not make the glaring errors) and Rose was nowhere near as poor as people make out. There are players I'd rather have, but, fact is, Rose was providing as many crosses as Walker, running up and down the wing all day long, and making far fewer defensive blunders. His inury, along with those to Lennon, Kaboul and Sandro and Ade's brother's death all changed the dynamics of the season. Yet, but for two bad losses, we were one of the best defensive teams in the league and I was never worried at 1-0 that we wouldlose or that a 0-0 would not somehow become a 1-0 in our favour. Had Defoe score on his sitter against West Ham, that game too (IMO) would have finished 1-0. Not great. Hardly inspirational. But managed for a result. We need to start winning things. Contrary to some on here, 4th is not winning. The League Cup, FA Cup, Title and Europa are what we can win next season. Anything less are degrees of failure in each. Doesn't men a bad season. Just doesn't mean winning anything. COYS
peterballb
26/05/2014 18:41:00
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Beast post yet Pele10!!!!
Highgatespur
26/05/2014 18:48:00
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Oooops meant to say Best not beast !!!
Highgatespur
26/05/2014 18:49:00
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I hear twitter world is going wild that FdB is about to Ajax?!!!
Highgatespur
26/05/2014 18:49:00
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haha best CL final ever, ive head it all now, it was one of the worst and so boring an predictable
123spurs
26/05/2014 18:54:00
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Makes you think ....

http://www.footballdirectnews.com/premier-league-news/50342-de-boer-will-be-leaving-ajax.php
Highgatespur
26/05/2014 19:21:00
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hopfully its not true
123spurs
26/05/2014 19:34:00
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Highgate - AS Monaco also have a vacancy after Ranieri left.
muttley
26/05/2014 19:39:00
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comming to us would be to big of a task for him, he'd be gone quicker then you can say AVB
123spurs
26/05/2014 19:42:00
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Muttley hasn't he said he won't go there... I wouldn't mind either way really
Highgatespur
26/05/2014 19:59:00
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Pee10, Top post and on topic. Well done! Let's be having more of your input along those line!. COYS!
Critical_Spur
26/05/2014 20:05:00
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Sorry Pele, I blame Vital for the missing L !!!
Critical_Spur
26/05/2014 20:05:00
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AM played without their star man, Diego Costa after 9mins into the match. Effectively reducing the subs to two. Altering team tactics. AM did not lose to superior tactics on the day but rather RM's ability to stack their bench. At All Cost ? YES indeed for THFC, for it means that we are moving along with the times. Win a few cups first, at all cost. TtId.
Arky
26/05/2014 20:05:00
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Seems the media are still unsure!http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/9326877/premier-league-tottenham-determined-to-make-mauricio-pochettino-their-new-manager

Can someone start an article "48 hours" followed by "Another 48 hours"? COYS!
Critical_Spur
26/05/2014 20:07:00
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Highgate - didn't see that. I have no clue half the time what to believe. Just want it to be over now so we can focus on the transfer window and pre-season.
muttley
26/05/2014 20:07:00
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