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So what can we learn?

So what can we learn?

So we have a new man in charge, one that is already dividing opinion, whilst some seem very happy to write him off before his interpreter has had the chance to speak…

Of course I say the last bit, rather tongue in cheek as we should already know that he speaks very decent English, but why let the truth get in the way of a good scaremongering. I have gone on record in saying that with a new manager, needs to come a fresh approach from the club as a whole. Lets see a big smiley face from the boardroom and for the first time in years, real transparency in who is responsible for what and how. If Levy can`t be the friendly face of Tottenham, what about Baldini or someone else who can charm the press from the trees and the fans from their comfy armchairs.

That might be too big an ask for a board that seem happy to keep everyone in the dark, but hold everyone and everything accountable for our woes, yet fail to take responsibility for their own mistakes. Can they really learn from past mistakes and failures? Moving on from that, I wonder if we as fans need to take a long hard look at our own agenda and support? Both Harry and AVB questioned home fans and how quickly they wrote of the team and perhaps made life harder for the players in adding pressure as opposed to bugging them up. Did they have a point?

Watching Liverpool`s fans during the 25th anniversary of Hillsborough gave me a lump in my throat. I have to confess to feeling real warmth and respect for them as a mass and also questioned the difference between them and us in terms of never say die support for their team. That support wasn`t a one off this season and of course it is easy to be united when you are winning every week and looking strong contenders for the title. Would we all be more positive and singing as one, if we were doing well in the top four? Perhaps we should ask Harry or AVB?

Do we as fans need to get our heads out of our backsides and relearn how to enjoy and support our club? Often at football today, I don`t feel there is the genuine enjoyment and love of the game, but instead it is replaced by a more demanding and expectant body, that doesn`t want good football and the right result, but he insists on it. As fans we talk of what the club should do and where they go wrong, but can we do the same with ourselves? We argue constantly that the manager needs time and patience, but how easily did we turn on Sherwood and similarly there was a high percentage stamping their feet in dissatisfaction at all of the other recent managers during their tenure, despite our last three actually doing rather well in terms of results and league position.

In Mauricio Pochettino, we might not have the man that everyone dreamed of, but equally we have a man that looks quite capable of doing a decent job, given time and support from the board, but also that same backing from the clubs fans...



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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Wednesday May 28 2014
Time: 11:33AM

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I think Levy goes with this one!!!!
longtimespur
28/05/2014 11:38:00
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Seems as though he is Levy's appointment.
longtimespur
28/05/2014 11:39:00
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According to some reports most of the board wanted FdB but DL stuck for Pochettino.
longtimespur
28/05/2014 11:41:00
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Be interesting to know if that's true!
longtimespur
28/05/2014 11:41:00
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Will DL give him some time to implement his way of doing things??
longtimespur
28/05/2014 11:43:00
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Especially if it is the truth!
longtimespur
28/05/2014 11:43:00
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where is the article unveiling the new manager?
tarkan mardinCOYS
28/05/2014 11:43:00
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On THFC official site Tarkan.
longtimespur
28/05/2014 11:44:00
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Im not sure I understand how Levy can get the final say on a manager over the rest of the directors? What would be the point in having a board and their opinion if you just ignored everything they said and did exactly what you wanted. How many people were actually involved in the decision and what was the split? Once again I fear this as more stirring from the anti Levy/Poch faction and we are falling for it big time
oxfordspur
28/05/2014 11:44:00
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http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/mauricio-pochettino-appointed-new-head-coach-270514/
longtimespur
28/05/2014 11:45:00
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haha longtime.i mean on vital spurs
tarkan mardinCOYS
28/05/2014 11:47:00
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Good article and apparently appears quite true about fans at WHL. Probably right there Ox. Wouldn't surprise me at all if it were anti-THFC media stirring up. It's just something I read and wondered if it's true.Then followed on with what I put above.
longtimespur
28/05/2014 11:49:00
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ox-if you have time can we get a new article on pochettino
tarkan mardinCOYS
28/05/2014 11:50:00
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LOL don't know Tarkan, why don't you put one up? Last 3 I submitted didn't get on!
longtimespur
28/05/2014 11:51:00
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I think Baldini and Levy probably had the biggest say in the manager rather than the whole board, apprently FDB come across very well in the interview but Pochettino deal was done a while back.
Kong
28/05/2014 11:52:00
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Tarkan .... All we'll get is the usual range of arguments for and against that we've had since the end of the season. Some won't even give him a chance because he's not the one they wanted. I hope he does implement his playing style upon our squad and, if he can bring in a couple from Saints all the better. Supposed to have £50mill to spend. Again according to the press. The club don't tell us anything so we go to the media and hope they're not telling porkies!!
longtimespur
28/05/2014 11:56:00
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It's nice to have a manager to talk about again... lol
longtimespur
28/05/2014 11:57:00
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longtime-just hope this does not become another tim sherwood situation.
tarkan mardinCOYS
28/05/2014 12:00:00
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A new manager, any new manager/coach will have his work cut out with our motley crew. They need to learn and learn fast, or we'll be back to square one before xmas.
MAN ON!
28/05/2014 12:01:00
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MAN ON.... re... Motley crew.... do you mean players or fans?? lol
longtimespur
28/05/2014 12:03:00
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Sky Sports are reporting that we will not unveil Pochettino until after the World Cup.
Kong
28/05/2014 12:04:00
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I couldn't believe The Sun's take on our new manager this morning. Do they hate us that much, im going to start buying the Daily Mail like Topho.
Thats Entertainment
28/05/2014 12:04:00
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Well it's done now. I think the important thing is we all have to back the manager to the end.
Rapm
28/05/2014 12:05:00
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No unveiling apparently:

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/9328899/tottenham-to-unveil-mauricio-pochettino-as-new-manager-after-world-cup
Critical_Spur
28/05/2014 12:06:00
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getting a 5 year contract from dan the man is either a great bit of dealing from mp and his team or has dan seen the light and realised by looking at the arse and manure that staying patient and having confidence in the manager brings rewards, whether we all agree or disagree with the boards choice every spurs fan must now give mopo our full backing , dont forget the argentines that have graced our club in the past so at our first home game lets bring the ticker tape out like we did for ossie and riki all those years ago and make him welcome if you feel loved you will give your all so come on lets show the rest of the prem especially the arse and livers we are at one at the club COYS x millions
tottspur
28/05/2014 12:06:00
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just had a look at the betting list for next southampton manager-arguably better than the list we had
tarkan mardinCOYS
28/05/2014 12:06:00
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critical-thats just ridicilous.WHY?
tarkan mardinCOYS
28/05/2014 12:07:00
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I thought it was the managers and coaches that were the problem. Now it seems that, to some of us, it's half of our squad. Maybe we'll find out that it was indeed the mentality of some of the players and, whoever is in charge, will be wasting their time. How long before this is realised? Half a season?
MAN ON!
28/05/2014 12:08:00
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longtimespur... Both. ;-)
MAN ON!
28/05/2014 12:09:00
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tarkan, apparently waiting for the world cup returnees!
Critical_Spur
28/05/2014 12:10:00
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Half our first team is missing at the moment, so that makes sense.....
MAN ON!
28/05/2014 12:12:00
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but we dont want to hear from the players,we want to hear from the management
tarkan mardinCOYS
28/05/2014 12:15:00
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I really can't see much in the way of induction and preparation this summer. Everything is stacked against us. New manager, WC, Pre-season, EL, ins/outs...and all that in 2 months?. Very unrealistic IMO.
Critical_Spur
28/05/2014 12:17:00
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True...
MAN ON!
28/05/2014 12:17:00
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The players should be part of it though. What's the point of an unveiling if nobody's there?
MAN ON!
28/05/2014 12:18:00
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Maybe the unveiling will be with our new signings and new manager.
Kong
28/05/2014 12:19:00
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i hear that the interpreter has been dispensed with,thats good
tarkan mardinCOYS
28/05/2014 12:20:00
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5 YEARS though !!! What on arth are we thinking?? That will be for his staff as well. So how much is this going to cost when we sack him next summer for being inexperienced and faling to command the respect of the players who are fed up with a work experience manager?? Levy's neck is on the block with this one. Everyone wanted FDB and he has gone against his own fans. He is either really brave or eally stupid.
jimmy-yid
28/05/2014 12:22:00
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the 5 year bit is astonishing.breathtaking in fact
tarkan mardinCOYS
28/05/2014 12:24:00
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OxfordSpur. I'm afraid the mindset of a lot of our supporters is not going to change overnight. Supporters on the whole have become tacticians and experts on the game and seem to have forgotten the simple pleasure of just watching and enjoying. TV and media saturation and over-anylising has to take a huge part of the blame. This will only increase and therefore the expectations will also rise, along with it.
MAN ON!
28/05/2014 12:25:00
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'Tacticians' and 'experts', in inverted commas.... Inverted wingers? Is Poch in favour or not? ;-)
MAN ON!
28/05/2014 12:29:00
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If the board had learned their lesson they wouldn't have appointed MoPo in the first place....but yet again they have thrown the dice and we all wait with baited breath....as for time he'll get the time he earns but if we're sinking like a stone he won't be able to point to his CV and say don't worry....instead everyone will look at Espanyol and say eek he's done it before...there were a number of appointments that could have been made to galvanise support before we kick a ball instead it will now come after we kick a ball...that's not the fans fault, that's down to the board what they can do now is back the man and fill the holes in our squad with some quality players not old has beens or the latest under 19 sensation....
shedboy2
28/05/2014 12:29:00
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jimmy-yid- succinct...;)
shedboy2
28/05/2014 12:31:00
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So it our fault? We choose to be charged the third most expensive prices in the league? They set the expectations not us. We get charged Chelsea prices and get given Southampton product. It don't wash, the almighty Liverpool fans you mention we no different to our indifference when Woy was in charge, they would have gone into meltdown if Suarez had been sold like young Gareth. I'm really sorry, everyone is entitled to their opinions but for me this article is a load of tosh, focusing on the side of any statement the contributor wanted.
clivetheyid
28/05/2014 12:31:00
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We know there was 5 candidates for the job but don't know who and if anyone turned the job down before it was offered to Pochettino. Like Shedboy said it is done now so now he must be backed and given a chance.
Kong
28/05/2014 12:32:00
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I like the interpreter! He speaks with an air of authority...and I bet he can coach the strikers better than les..;)
shedboy2
28/05/2014 12:33:00
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Best support I saw this season was at crystal palace. The day they can't from behind to pull a draw v Liverpool! I firmly believe the crowd has so much to do with that result! They didn't stop singing even when the game looked out of reach! Pulis stayed on the touch line and the selhurst crew didn't stop!
Dublin Hotspur
28/05/2014 12:33:00
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Man on, agree some supporters have turned in mini Hanson's but facts are facts, we are on the wheel of disappointment's and mistakes. I'm no tactical expert, I have just watched football for 30 years and no when I see a ship sailing in the right direction and one sailing into the iceberg. My overall view, the club have set their stance, we play for the 5th or the 6th place, and if we finish fourth it is the equivalent success of our so called rivals winning the championship. It's sad but it true.
clivetheyid
28/05/2014 12:34:00
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yep the Board have to back the man....we don't want stories of him wanting this or that player and getting a pub player instead...
shedboy2
28/05/2014 12:35:00
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I REALLY WANT US TO SHOW SOME CLASS AND SUPPORT POCH FROM THE START, THE LAST COUPLE OF SEASONS HAVE BEEN SHOCKING, ESPECIALLY AT HOME, GREAT POINT ABOVE ABOUT LIVERPOOL FANS.
andyid
28/05/2014 12:35:00
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clive. The article is asking a question of us fans. That doesn't make it tosh, just because you are insulted by the question.
MAN ON!
28/05/2014 12:35:00
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Kong- we have to back him but the club have to be honest about their expectations. The THFC board should be banned from mentioning Champions League as that's not what they are playing for. That will in turn, over time, reduce the expectations of the fans and in turn allow for someone to build the club up again without fear of the sack after a couple of results.
clivetheyid
28/05/2014 12:36:00
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Mini-Hanson's? What a horrible image!
MAN ON!
28/05/2014 12:37:00
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andyid - Were you at Anfield when we beat then 2-0? It was as quiet as it has been at WHL for the past few years. I'm sure the silence was golden when they were dropping points at home every other week before last season.
clivetheyid
28/05/2014 12:38:00
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clivetheyid... That, I do agree with. It's not only down to us supporters. The expectation is encouraged from above, at board level...
MAN ON!
28/05/2014 12:39:00
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It's up to the board to make the tough and unpopular decisions that's why they get paid gazillions . We can't really expect them to make desicions based on fan surveys on vital spurs etc. Pomo was not my first choice but now he is our man so let's give him and the team full support. About the fans. Yes we could learn a lot from Liverpool Dortmund , crystal palace. Maybe I am wrong but the atmosphere at WHL is more one of nervousness or "we demand good football" rather than a highly motivated unit as we see at the stadia of the clubs mentioned above. Maybe a standing area in the new (?) stadium will improve this. COYS
gRAMMSTEIN
28/05/2014 12:40:00
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I like his fooball,dont like his stats EPL win rate last season 38% avb 50%,Sherwood 59%,thats a big differnce plus his points total,while I believe a club record,was a long waybehind rs.Sodont buy any Xmas cards for himjust yet
spurgatso
28/05/2014 12:41:00
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clivetheyid, we don't know what levy expects of Pochettino, yes he would like champions league but will it be demanded. We don't know and won't know. I agree the expectation level of most fans is high and the club doesn't help, lets see where Pochettino takes us.
Kong
28/05/2014 12:41:00
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Man on - firstly I said everyone is entitled to their opinion, my opinion is that the key points of this article have been displayed in a one sided fashion 1) Liverpool fans "never say die support for their team" - rubbish, they are as fickle as the next premier league supporter, love winning hate losing. 2)"Do we as fans need to get our heads out of our backsides and relearn how to enjoy and support our club? - rubbish I attended over 90% of UK based games last year and enjoyed everyone, doesnt mean I don't want the club to perform better. 3) "As fans we talk of what the club should do and where they go wrong, but can we do the same with ourselves?" - I don't even know what this means.
clivetheyid
28/05/2014 12:42:00
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Clive, No I wasn't so that is a fair point well made, what I meant was that the atmosphere seems too tense at home, too quiet and this makes the players anxious which makes them introverted so they play worse, its a vicious circle. I would like people to stop slagging him off before he has even taken charge of a game, players do read this site I am sure or at least their mates do and pass it on. Our away support is AMAZING, always is, I just don't understand what happens at the lane.
andyid
28/05/2014 12:42:00
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Well the backlash just says it all. I'm yet to read a single positive comment. Whether MP was the right man for the job or not what bloody chance does he have when everyone has already written him off. I don't think he's the right choice, but im going to give him my full support. I just hope DL does the same. I get a horrible feeling that money has been the driving factor in MP's appointment. Whether that be salary, transfer budget etc I just get the feeling that this is a typical DL sell out deal. If he doesn't back him and the usual hire and fire continues then a full on protest needs to happen. Everyone knows we need improving so if DL tries to cheap out or starts selling our best players then DL needs to hear it from the fans. I don't care how much teams offer or how much players kick off, we CANNOT sell any of our best players.
hudderspur
28/05/2014 12:43:00
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Kong, Harry was told CL was the expectation, AVB was told CL was the expectation, we are constantly feed through official channels that this club wants CL football. I can't for the life of me see why you think the will have given the new guy a different brief. All this will a backdrop of activity that does nothing to help the manager achieve the said target.
clivetheyid
28/05/2014 12:44:00
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The Pool fans know football, so do the Palace fans....there clubs are moving in the right direction, the levels of anticipation/excitement rise, there is a shared ambition and belief...you want vocal support create it...we could start by getting in a couple of quality players in....my guess is we'll get journeyman and big them up.......where's this 50m? is the same 50m we didn't spend last year (when we couldn't buy a left back because that would mean a Net spend?) will it also come from selling 55m worth of talent?...ENIC turns us into cynics
shedboy2
28/05/2014 12:45:00
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clivetheyid. Fair enough. I also go to most games I'm able to attend, so I do understand where you're coming from...
MAN ON!
28/05/2014 12:45:00
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Hudderspur - EXACTLY
andyid
28/05/2014 12:45:00
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jimmy-yid ."everyone wanted FDB" You must have missed me out in your survey. I was 91% for Pochettino and 55% for DVB. Still only a minor statistical error for you to make. Our natural position is 6th in the league, because 5 team have - bigger grounds, higher wage bills, better supporters and biased refereeing decisions. So we remain work in progress
camper
28/05/2014 12:45:00
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That's how we need to get behind poch and the team! I would love to see scarves and flags being waved with his name on, like simeone at athletico!
Dublin Hotspur
28/05/2014 12:46:00
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andyid - I don't doubt what you are saying is correct (i.e. tense crowd, more pressure) BUT this happens at every ground in the top 6 when the score is against the home side. Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool and in particular them up the road all seem to be able to deal with that pressure cooker and turn the negative crowd into a passionate one again with THEIR performance. Our players want the passion before they pull their finger out their backside EVERY week. That said WHL has got worse and worse for it going right back to before Harry. The Jol era was much more atmospheric. Which proves my point, the club raised expectations so now the WHL faithful EXPECT champions league, under Jol we were ecstatic to finish 5th! The board re-address expectations (BE HONEST WITH THE FANS) and the problem will in time resolve itself.
clivetheyid
28/05/2014 12:48:00
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First of all, I am relieved that we have got someone in sooner rather than later. I feared it would be a long summer of wild speculation and uncertainty, but we've grasped the nettle and for that I'm grateful. Now, I'll get it out of the way and admit that Pochettino was not my first choice for the job. Personally, I was full-bore behind Rafa Benitez. I was pretty much 50/50 with regards to Pochettino/de Boer, but with the Dutchman being a little too vocal publicly about whatever contact was made I feared the die was cast for him and so it has proved. So now, I'm focused on what we have rather than what might have been. There has been some outcry regarding the 5-year contract, but personally I like it. We are not only bringing in a new manager, but (seemingly) and entirely new backroom/training staff who (from what we're hearing) carry with them a brand new philosophy. We're hearing about focus on high levels of fitness and intensity, which should weed out anyone who's just along for the ride. An injection of South American culture, not to mention language skills, might just provide our Brazilian pair with a better level of communication and also provide a much-needed taste of home for Lamela. Who, in my opinion, could shut a hell of a lot of people up next season provided A: he stays, and B: he stays fit!! With regards to the article, I believe we as supporters need to pepper our optimism with a spoonful of realism. We were a long, long way from being good enough for top-four last season. And given the level of competition already in place, coupled with a doubtless resurgent Man Utd next year, Champs League Footy looks like a bit of a long shot. But if we as fans are going to force some patience onto ourselves, then it's imperative that the board do the same and give the new management team the time and space necessary to fully integrate their ideas on our team and squad. This might take more than a few months or even a year. But let's buck our recent trend and show some bottle here. Let's get people excited. Let's show some faith and (shock horror!!) a little humility. Let's look at cup competitions as opportunities rather than distractions. And above all, as the article suggests, let us collectively re-learn to love supporting our club as opposed to waiting for the very first opportunity to lambast it. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
28/05/2014 12:48:00
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'their'
shedboy2
28/05/2014 12:48:00
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Very good points made in the article. I can never understand some of the angry insults against players/managers. Give them a bit of stick if they're under-performing yes, but fans can be as guilty as chairmen in not giving managers time and equally, fans can be the downfall of decent players by booing etc during games. I just don't get it.
trevox
28/05/2014 12:49:00
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clivetheyid, yes for those managers CL was the expectation and they got sacked but as a club we can't be doing that all the time. They need to look at the bigger picture and then make decisions, I want Pochettino to get us into the top 4 but if he doesn't and we are playing well and challenging for top 4 and cups then I will be happy with that and hopefully the board will too otherwise we will be changing managers every year. Like you said the club want CL but don't act like it so why should they expect it from the manager.
Kong
28/05/2014 12:49:00
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Dublin Hotspur - show some examples of a club who have set sky high expectations to the fans, charge them sky high prices whilst achieving nothing and still have fans waving "Simone-esq" banners and flags. Reality check required.
clivetheyid
28/05/2014 12:51:00
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The fixtures for the 14/15 season gets announced in 3 weeks, like Dublin said it would be great if the support from day 1 is great and the atmosphere is special. I plan to go to the first home game if I can and will wear my Argentina/spurs scarf just for Pochettino (and Lamela).
Kong
28/05/2014 12:52:00
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Trevox - sorry pal but having attended most games this season no player or manager has been singled out by our fans.
clivetheyid
28/05/2014 12:52:00
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