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So what can we learn?

So we have a new man in charge, one that is already dividing opinion, whilst some seem very happy to write him off before his interpreter has had the chance to speak…

Of course I say the last bit, rather tongue in cheek as we should already know that he speaks very decent English, but why let the truth get in the way of a good scaremongering. I have gone on record in saying that with a new manager, needs to come a fresh approach from the club as a whole. Lets see a big smiley face from the boardroom and for the first time in years, real transparency in who is responsible for what and how. If Levy can`t be the friendly face of Tottenham, what about Baldini or someone else who can charm the press from the trees and the fans from their comfy armchairs.

That might be too big an ask for a board that seem happy to keep everyone in the dark, but hold everyone and everything accountable for our woes, yet fail to take responsibility for their own mistakes. Can they really learn from past mistakes and failures? Moving on from that, I wonder if we as fans need to take a long hard look at our own agenda and support? Both Harry and AVB questioned home fans and how quickly they wrote of the team and perhaps made life harder for the players in adding pressure as opposed to bugging them up. Did they have a point?

Watching Liverpool`s fans during the 25th anniversary of Hillsborough gave me a lump in my throat. I have to confess to feeling real warmth and respect for them as a mass and also questioned the difference between them and us in terms of never say die support for their team. That support wasn`t a one off this season and of course it is easy to be united when you are winning every week and looking strong contenders for the title. Would we all be more positive and singing as one, if we were doing well in the top four? Perhaps we should ask Harry or AVB?

Do we as fans need to get our heads out of our backsides and relearn how to enjoy and support our club? Often at football today, I don`t feel there is the genuine enjoyment and love of the game, but instead it is replaced by a more demanding and expectant body, that doesn`t want good football and the right result, but he insists on it. As fans we talk of what the club should do and where they go wrong, but can we do the same with ourselves? We argue constantly that the manager needs time and patience, but how easily did we turn on Sherwood and similarly there was a high percentage stamping their feet in dissatisfaction at all of the other recent managers during their tenure, despite our last three actually doing rather well in terms of results and league position.

In Mauricio Pochettino, we might not have the man that everyone dreamed of, but equally we have a man that looks quite capable of doing a decent job, given time and support from the board, but also that same backing from the clubs fans...




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday May 28 2014

Time: 11:33AM

Your Comments

I think Levy goes with this one!!!!
longtimespur
Seems as though he is Levy's appointment.
longtimespur
Be interesting to know if that's true!
longtimespur
According to some reports most of the board wanted FdB but DL stuck for Pochettino.
longtimespur
Especially if it is the truth!
longtimespur
Will DL give him some time to implement his way of doing things??
longtimespur
where is the article unveiling the new manager?
tarkan mardinCOYS
Im not sure I understand how Levy can get the final say on a manager over the rest of the directors? What would be the point in having a board and their opinion if you just ignored everything they said and did exactly what you wanted. How many people were actually involved in the decision and what was the split? Once again I fear this as more stirring from the anti Levy/Poch faction and we are falling for it big time
oxfordspur
On THFC official site Tarkan.
longtimespur
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/mauricio-pochettino-appointed-new-head-coach-270514/
longtimespur
haha longtime.i mean on vital spurs
tarkan mardinCOYS
Good article and apparently appears quite true about fans at WHL. Probably right there Ox. Wouldn't surprise me at all if it were anti-THFC media stirring up. It's just something I read and wondered if it's true.Then followed on with what I put above.
longtimespur
ox-if you have time can we get a new article on pochettino
tarkan mardinCOYS
LOL don't know Tarkan, why don't you put one up? Last 3 I submitted didn't get on!
longtimespur
I think Baldini and Levy probably had the biggest say in the manager rather than the whole board, apprently FDB come across very well in the interview but Pochettino deal was done a while back.
Kong
Tarkan .... All we'll get is the usual range of arguments for and against that we've had since the end of the season. Some won't even give him a chance because he's not the one they wanted. I hope he does implement his playing style upon our squad and, if he can bring in a couple from Saints all the better. Supposed to have £50mill to spend. Again according to the press. The club don't tell us anything so we go to the media and hope they're not telling porkies!!
longtimespur
It's nice to have a manager to talk about again... lol
longtimespur
longtime-just hope this does not become another tim sherwood situation.
tarkan mardinCOYS
A new manager, any new manager/coach will have his work cut out with our motley crew. They need to learn and learn fast, or we'll be back to square one before xmas.
MAN ON!
MAN ON.... re... Motley crew.... do you mean players or fans?? lol
longtimespur
I couldn't believe The Sun's take on our new manager this morning. Do they hate us that much, im going to start buying the Daily Mail like Topho.
Thats Entertainment
Sky Sports are reporting that we will not unveil Pochettino until after the World Cup.
Kong
Well it's done now. I think the important thing is we all have to back the manager to the end.
Rapm
just had a look at the betting list for next southampton manager-arguably better than the list we had
tarkan mardinCOYS
No unveiling apparently:

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/9328899/tottenham-to-unveil-mauricio-pochettino-as-new-manager-after-world-cup
Critical_Spur
getting a 5 year contract from dan the man is either a great bit of dealing from mp and his team or has dan seen the light and realised by looking at the arse and manure that staying patient and having confidence in the manager brings rewards, whether we all agree or disagree with the boards choice every spurs fan must now give mopo our full backing , dont forget the argentines that have graced our club in the past so at our first home game lets bring the ticker tape out like we did for ossie and riki all those years ago and make him welcome if you feel loved you will give your all so come on lets show the rest of the prem especially the arse and livers we are at one at the club COYS x millions
tottspur
critical-thats just ridicilous.WHY?
tarkan mardinCOYS
I thought it was the managers and coaches that were the problem. Now it seems that, to some of us, it's half of our squad. Maybe we'll find out that it was indeed the mentality of some of the players and, whoever is in charge, will be wasting their time. How long before this is realised? Half a season?
MAN ON!
longtimespur... Both. ;-)
MAN ON!
tarkan, apparently waiting for the world cup returnees!
Critical_Spur
Half our first team is missing at the moment, so that makes sense.....
MAN ON!
but we dont want to hear from the players,we want to hear from the management
tarkan mardinCOYS
True...
MAN ON!
I really can't see much in the way of induction and preparation this summer. Everything is stacked against us. New manager, WC, Pre-season, EL, ins/outs...and all that in 2 months?. Very unrealistic IMO.
Critical_Spur
The players should be part of it though. What's the point of an unveiling if nobody's there?
MAN ON!
Maybe the unveiling will be with our new signings and new manager.
Kong
i hear that the interpreter has been dispensed with,thats good
tarkan mardinCOYS
5 YEARS though !!! What on arth are we thinking?? That will be for his staff as well. So how much is this going to cost when we sack him next summer for being inexperienced and faling to command the respect of the players who are fed up with a work experience manager?? Levy's neck is on the block with this one. Everyone wanted FDB and he has gone against his own fans. He is either really brave or eally stupid.
jimmy-yid
the 5 year bit is astonishing.breathtaking in fact
tarkan mardinCOYS
OxfordSpur. I'm afraid the mindset of a lot of our supporters is not going to change overnight. Supporters on the whole have become tacticians and experts on the game and seem to have forgotten the simple pleasure of just watching and enjoying. TV and media saturation and over-anylising has to take a huge part of the blame. This will only increase and therefore the expectations will also rise, along with it.
MAN ON!
'Tacticians' and 'experts', in inverted commas.... Inverted wingers? Is Poch in favour or not? ;-)
MAN ON!
If the board had learned their lesson they wouldn't have appointed MoPo in the first place....but yet again they have thrown the dice and we all wait with baited breath....as for time he'll get the time he earns but if we're sinking like a stone he won't be able to point to his CV and say don't worry....instead everyone will look at Espanyol and say eek he's done it before...there were a number of appointments that could have been made to galvanise support before we kick a ball instead it will now come after we kick a ball...that's not the fans fault, that's down to the board what they can do now is back the man and fill the holes in our squad with some quality players not old has beens or the latest under 19 sensation....
shedboy2
So it our fault? We choose to be charged the third most expensive prices in the league? They set the expectations not us. We get charged Chelsea prices and get given Southampton product. It don't wash, the almighty Liverpool fans you mention we no different to our indifference when Woy was in charge, they would have gone into meltdown if Suarez had been sold like young Gareth. I'm really sorry, everyone is entitled to their opinions but for me this article is a load of tosh, focusing on the side of any statement the contributor wanted.
clivetheyid
jimmy-yid- succinct...;)
shedboy2
We know there was 5 candidates for the job but don't know who and if anyone turned the job down before it was offered to Pochettino. Like Shedboy said it is done now so now he must be backed and given a chance.
Kong
I like the interpreter! He speaks with an air of authority...and I bet he can coach the strikers better than les..;)
shedboy2
Best support I saw this season was at crystal palace. The day they can't from behind to pull a draw v Liverpool! I firmly believe the crowd has so much to do with that result! They didn't stop singing even when the game looked out of reach! Pulis stayed on the touch line and the selhurst crew didn't stop!
Dublin Hotspur
Man on, agree some supporters have turned in mini Hanson's but facts are facts, we are on the wheel of disappointment's and mistakes. I'm no tactical expert, I have just watched football for 30 years and no when I see a ship sailing in the right direction and one sailing into the iceberg. My overall view, the club have set their stance, we play for the 5th or the 6th place, and if we finish fourth it is the equivalent success of our so called rivals winning the championship. It's sad but it true.
clivetheyid
clive. The article is asking a question of us fans. That doesn't make it tosh, just because you are insulted by the question.
MAN ON!
I REALLY WANT US TO SHOW SOME CLASS AND SUPPORT POCH FROM THE START, THE LAST COUPLE OF SEASONS HAVE BEEN SHOCKING, ESPECIALLY AT HOME, GREAT POINT ABOVE ABOUT LIVERPOOL FANS.
andyid
yep the Board have to back the man....we don't want stories of him wanting this or that player and getting a pub player instead...
shedboy2
Kong- we have to back him but the club have to be honest about their expectations. The THFC board should be banned from mentioning Champions League as that's not what they are playing for. That will in turn, over time, reduce the expectations of the fans and in turn allow for someone to build the club up again without fear of the sack after a couple of results.
clivetheyid
Mini-Hanson's? What a horrible image!
MAN ON!
andyid - Were you at Anfield when we beat then 2-0? It was as quiet as it has been at WHL for the past few years. I'm sure the silence was golden when they were dropping points at home every other week before last season.
clivetheyid
clivetheyid... That, I do agree with. It's not only down to us supporters. The expectation is encouraged from above, at board level...
MAN ON!
It's up to the board to make the tough and unpopular decisions that's why they get paid gazillions . We can't really expect them to make desicions based on fan surveys on vital spurs etc. Pomo was not my first choice but now he is our man so let's give him and the team full support. About the fans. Yes we could learn a lot from Liverpool Dortmund , crystal palace. Maybe I am wrong but the atmosphere at WHL is more one of nervousness or "we demand good football" rather than a highly motivated unit as we see at the stadia of the clubs mentioned above. Maybe a standing area in the new (?) stadium will improve this. COYS
gRAMMSTEIN
I like his fooball,dont like his stats EPL win rate last season 38% avb 50%,Sherwood 59%,thats a big differnce plus his points total,while I believe a club record,was a long waybehind rs.Sodont buy any Xmas cards for himjust yet
spurgatso
clivetheyid, we don't know what levy expects of Pochettino, yes he would like champions league but will it be demanded. We don't know and won't know. I agree the expectation level of most fans is high and the club doesn't help, lets see where Pochettino takes us.
Kong
Clive, No I wasn't so that is a fair point well made, what I meant was that the atmosphere seems too tense at home, too quiet and this makes the players anxious which makes them introverted so they play worse, its a vicious circle. I would like people to stop slagging him off before he has even taken charge of a game, players do read this site I am sure or at least their mates do and pass it on. Our away support is AMAZING, always is, I just don't understand what happens at the lane.
andyid
Man on - firstly I said everyone is entitled to their opinion, my opinion is that the key points of this article have been displayed in a one sided fashion 1) Liverpool fans "never say die support for their team" - rubbish, they are as fickle as the next premier league supporter, love winning hate losing. 2)"Do we as fans need to get our heads out of our backsides and relearn how to enjoy and support our club? - rubbish I attended over 90% of UK based games last year and enjoyed everyone, doesnt mean I don't want the club to perform better. 3) "As fans we talk of what the club should do and where they go wrong, but can we do the same with ourselves?" - I don't even know what this means.
clivetheyid
Well the backlash just says it all. I'm yet to read a single positive comment. Whether MP was the right man for the job or not what bloody chance does he have when everyone has already written him off. I don't think he's the right choice, but im going to give him my full support. I just hope DL does the same. I get a horrible feeling that money has been the driving factor in MP's appointment. Whether that be salary, transfer budget etc I just get the feeling that this is a typical DL sell out deal. If he doesn't back him and the usual hire and fire continues then a full on protest needs to happen. Everyone knows we need improving so if DL tries to cheap out or starts selling our best players then DL needs to hear it from the fans. I don't care how much teams offer or how much players kick off, we CANNOT sell any of our best players.
hudderspur
Kong, Harry was told CL was the expectation, AVB was told CL was the expectation, we are constantly feed through official channels that this club wants CL football. I can't for the life of me see why you think the will have given the new guy a different brief. All this will a backdrop of activity that does nothing to help the manager achieve the said target.
clivetheyid
The Pool fans know football, so do the Palace fans....there clubs are moving in the right direction, the levels of anticipation/excitement rise, there is a shared ambition and belief...you want vocal support create it...we could start by getting in a couple of quality players in....my guess is we'll get journeyman and big them up.......where's this 50m? is the same 50m we didn't spend last year (when we couldn't buy a left back because that would mean a Net spend?) will it also come from selling 55m worth of talent?...ENIC turns us into cynics
shedboy2
jimmy-yid ."everyone wanted FDB" You must have missed me out in your survey. I was 91% for Pochettino and 55% for DVB. Still only a minor statistical error for you to make. Our natural position is 6th in the league, because 5 team have - bigger grounds, higher wage bills, better supporters and biased refereeing decisions. So we remain work in progress
camper
Hudderspur - EXACTLY
andyid
clivetheyid. Fair enough. I also go to most games I'm able to attend, so I do understand where you're coming from...
MAN ON!
That's how we need to get behind poch and the team! I would love to see scarves and flags being waved with his name on, like simeone at athletico!
Dublin Hotspur
andyid - I don't doubt what you are saying is correct (i.e. tense crowd, more pressure) BUT this happens at every ground in the top 6 when the score is against the home side. Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool and in particular them up the road all seem to be able to deal with that pressure cooker and turn the negative crowd into a passionate one again with THEIR performance. Our players want the passion before they pull their finger out their backside EVERY week. That said WHL has got worse and worse for it going right back to before Harry. The Jol era was much more atmospheric. Which proves my point, the club raised expectations so now the WHL faithful EXPECT champions league, under Jol we were ecstatic to finish 5th! The board re-address expectations (BE HONEST WITH THE FANS) and the problem will in time resolve itself.
clivetheyid
First of all, I am relieved that we have got someone in sooner rather than later. I feared it would be a long summer of wild speculation and uncertainty, but we've grasped the nettle and for that I'm grateful. Now, I'll get it out of the way and admit that Pochettino was not my first choice for the job. Personally, I was full-bore behind Rafa Benitez. I was pretty much 50/50 with regards to Pochettino/de Boer, but with the Dutchman being a little too vocal publicly about whatever contact was made I feared the die was cast for him and so it has proved. So now, I'm focused on what we have rather than what might have been. There has been some outcry regarding the 5-year contract, but personally I like it. We are not only bringing in a new manager, but (seemingly) and entirely new backroom/training staff who (from what we're hearing) carry with them a brand new philosophy. We're hearing about focus on high levels of fitness and intensity, which should weed out anyone who's just along for the ride. An injection of South American culture, not to mention language skills, might just provide our Brazilian pair with a better level of communication and also provide a much-needed taste of home for Lamela. Who, in my opinion, could shut a hell of a lot of people up next season provided A: he stays, and B: he stays fit!! With regards to the article, I believe we as supporters need to pepper our optimism with a spoonful of realism. We were a long, long way from being good enough for top-four last season. And given the level of competition already in place, coupled with a doubtless resurgent Man Utd next year, Champs League Footy looks like a bit of a long shot. But if we as fans are going to force some patience onto ourselves, then it's imperative that the board do the same and give the new management team the time and space necessary to fully integrate their ideas on our team and squad. This might take more than a few months or even a year. But let's buck our recent trend and show some bottle here. Let's get people excited. Let's show some faith and (shock horror!!) a little humility. Let's look at cup competitions as opportunities rather than distractions. And above all, as the article suggests, let us collectively re-learn to love supporting our club as opposed to waiting for the very first opportunity to lambast it. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
'their'
shedboy2
clivetheyid, yes for those managers CL was the expectation and they got sacked but as a club we can't be doing that all the time. They need to look at the bigger picture and then make decisions, I want Pochettino to get us into the top 4 but if he doesn't and we are playing well and challenging for top 4 and cups then I will be happy with that and hopefully the board will too otherwise we will be changing managers every year. Like you said the club want CL but don't act like it so why should they expect it from the manager.
Kong
Very good points made in the article. I can never understand some of the angry insults against players/managers. Give them a bit of stick if they're under-performing yes, but fans can be as guilty as chairmen in not giving managers time and equally, fans can be the downfall of decent players by booing etc during games. I just don't get it.
trevox
Dublin Hotspur - show some examples of a club who have set sky high expectations to the fans, charge them sky high prices whilst achieving nothing and still have fans waving "Simone-esq" banners and flags. Reality check required.
clivetheyid
The fixtures for the 14/15 season gets announced in 3 weeks, like Dublin said it would be great if the support from day 1 is great and the atmosphere is special. I plan to go to the first home game if I can and will wear my Argentina/spurs scarf just for Pochettino (and Lamela).
Kong
Trevox - sorry pal but having attended most games this season no player or manager has been singled out by our fans.
clivetheyid
LilyWhiteHart... Hear, hear. Good words...
MAN ON!
Kong - I am all for building well under whoever is good enough to do the job, nothing against Poch. But with Levy in charge and his precedent set I can't see how your suggested path forwards is going to work. Do you really see the guy in the job in 24 months if he has not achieved a top 4 finish?
clivetheyid
what backlash?...i don't see one against MoPo? I see people myself included questioning the boards ability to appoint the best manager...still unveil MoPo alongside Lukaku, Shaw, Konoplyanka with paul robinson as back up keeper and the crowd will be happy...unveil him with Rio, Brad as back up keeper and some wet behind the ears kid as the next best thing and the patience will be threadbare before the season kicks off...it's stems from the boards ambition!
shedboy2
Get the tic-a-tape out!
MAN ON!
clivetheyid, going by levy's track record then no but if he is challenging the top 4 throughout the season and playing well then I would hope Levy would stick with him but also back him with any players needed. This is levy we are talking about so anything could happen.
Kong
Shedboy - with you 100%
clivetheyid
Clive - Nice reverse on what I was saying, I actually think you make some good points, there are always 2 sides to everything. You make a good point about the players using the silence as motivation so I concur there :-) Unfortunately I am one of many without a season ticket so I get to go to friendlys in pre season mostly, I cannot afford ticket prices on sites like stubhub etc. I do watch most games one way or another and its hard to judge crowd noise properly on the TV.
andyid
The lack of season ticket doesn't make me any less of a fan by the way, my first game was in 1984 going with my Uncle that lived just round the corner from the ground, unfortunatley he passed away in 1990 and that was the end of my attendance for about 20 years !!
andyid
Robinson will need to get some weight off himself first. Brad is a lot more agile and fitter and Paul is only 34!
MAN ON!
Kong - with you 100% BUT the two things you need him to do 1) Stick with the manager through thick and thin 2) Back him by bringing in players we may need are two things Levy is proven not to do. I think Levy has had enough chances to prove he knows how to run a football club and let us down (on the pitch/dugout) every time.
clivetheyid
Kong- I (and I suspect many others) would be happy with that scenario competing for top4 playing well but just missing out on top4...but at the end of the year I would expect us to improve on our weakest link...not sell our strongest!
shedboy2
That is true clivetheyid Levy's track record is worrying, that is why we just have to support Pochettino and the team and see where it takes us.
Kong
Man on- Mopo can knock a few pounds off with those double sessions...;) and brad is quite agile- for his age...doesn't get up quickly nor come off his line though....and he'll be even slower this year...
shedboy2
Shedboy, I agree, this summers transfer window will show our ambition and intentions. We still have a chance to make next season a good one, our transfer activity will determine how good it can be.
Kong
andyid.. Of course it doesn't. I've never been a season ticket holder myself and I've been supporting Spurs for 40 odd years and, I'm only 31!
MAN ON!
shedboy2... Robinson is still loved by the supporters, so that might be a good shout. He's a Yid at heart, I'm sure.
MAN ON!
andyid - fair play your right re the atmosphere but the whole club (fan, players, manager and most importantly directors) have to be on the same side. A lot of the supporters who sit near me just feel they have over time been disengaged from the club by ENIC. Let's be honest we were all happy to watch the dross in the nineties with far their criticism, but the expectations were realistic!
clivetheyid
andyid - we are all fans of the club irrespective of season ticket status, I would only say that sometimes those that don't go to games look at the consensus on sites such as this and assume that is the general view of the supporters home and away - which is rarely the case.
clivetheyid
tottingham10 - let's hope Levy and his pals are as patient as you!
clivetheyid
I am not for a minute getting fooled by the Daniel LOSER Levy 5 year contract he has given his new head coach, because I 100% promise you that a contract termination buy out clause has already been agreed upon. Pochettino knows already exactly how much he will receive in compensation when Levy fires him. Of course it won't come close to a 5 year salary pay off, but it is enough for Pochettino to feel happy that come rain or shine he will walk away a multi millionaire when the LOSER wields his ENIC back stabbing dagger yet again. So the 5 year contract mean nothing! It' just another LOSER Levy THFC smoke screen tactic to try and appease the fans, because the word has got out in the THFC 'yes men' boardroom, that the vast majority of Spurs are not happy at all, that the LOSER has got himself through 10 coaches in 15 seasons already...
Pele10
man on - that's why Robo was on the list!....
this link doesn't make for good reading...still Levy should have known all this before the appointment....http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/35159/
shedboy2
Pele10... Worst thing is that Joe Lewis probably thinks Levy is doing a splendid job.... Levy is not a football man he is a business man, we have to all accept that.... Best thing Levy could do, if ENIC are to stay in control of the club, is move a side keep using his contacts in the banking world to get us sponsorship deals etc.
clivetheyid
MAURICIO POCHETTINO ... MAURICIO POCHETTINO.... SING IT LOUD AND CLEAR FROM DAY ONE. Make the manager feel welcome. He's said good things about the fans already. Prove him right, not try and prove him wrong.
longtimespur
Longtimespur - I think 90% of fans are on side with Poch just not the operation above his head which will in no time chop his head off!
clivetheyid
One name that hasn't been mentioned to follow moPo from saints is...Osvaldo....I wonder if that would be an incentive to lamela?....;)
shedboy2
tottingham10 - Well given his contribution to your fantasy team he can not fail :-) - I suggest a 10 year deal! I honestly believe AVB and Sherwood were goners in their situations irrespective of the fans. Not sure I buy the where we have come from theory a lot of people use, works when the trend under the current ownership is upwards as it was but we appear to be on the decline again and the leaders are not changing their methods.
clivetheyid
Pete10 - Do you support Tottenham? Please do not go to a séance as Mystic Meg will not fool you. Just a waste of money.
camper
clivetheyid- the poll opposite shows 30% don't want poch...I suspect a lot more are wishing him/hoping him well now that he's signed a 5yr deal! still if I remember rightly only about 15% wanted him in the first place...great that the board gave that 15% what they wanted....sod the 50%+ that wanted FdB or the 25% that wanted rafa...what do the fans know? they should just show up spend their cash, clap and be happy for it!
shedboy2
Shedboy - of that article this concerns me most 2. Team Selection As mentioned Pochettino is very rigid when it comes to team selections, he likes to stick to the same core of players barring injury and substitutions were very predictable, always like for like and never changing the tactics even when it clearly merited it. --- Harry biggest downfall was lack of rotation, we could of won the league if he had trusted 12-25 as much as he did 1-11
clivetheyid
Shedboy - Maybe not a popular comment but I think Levy took who was willing not who he wanted. The bigger names would see no benefit to working for Levy.
clivetheyid
Also Shedboy I'm one of Levy's biggest critics so believe me I am not in the camp that says you should pay your money and clap along happily.
clivetheyid
tottingham10 - who would you have Sneiderlin in the side in place of?
clivetheyid
clive- doesn't bode well for the cups...and if he tries to keep double sessions up whilst playing twice a week we'll be fecked and see players lying on the deck being treated like back in the 70's!
shedboy2
Shedboy, That is a very comprehensive appraisal of MP. Those last two paragraphs are worrying and it sounds all too familiar. Being positive, it is just one mans opinion.
MAN ON!
There will be good and bad articles about Pochettino, we just have to see what he does for us.
Kong
I do tend to agree with it though.....
MAN ON!
Kong... Having said that, you are right.
MAN ON!
By way of correction, AVB did not question the fans. He merely stated that the home fans, with all of the pressure and expectation were making the players nervous and that it was affecting their play. He routinely lauded the away support. Harry called factions of the fan base idiots, told us we should sod off as we've never had it so good. See the difference. One is a manager protecting his players (who all wanted to say the same thing) and the other was just talk. Much like the past 6 months.

Now, as to the article, if we had a squad that seemed about 5 years off, some inspired coaching and a lot of player development away from being in the conversation, there could be patience and lowered expectations. He's not going to get that, because he is now in the mix from the off. He has no experience. Will he win a domestic cup? There is no history to suggest he will. Will he be able to balance four competitions and a large squad? Cannot say. He has no experience. Can he get us in to the CL? No clue, no experience to suggest yes. He has proven he can take a small squad and take them from the bottom half of the table and move them up to the top half of the table while developing young, promising English talent so that they are wanted by bigger clubs. That's what we know he can do. Anything else, is on a wing and a prayer.

I wish him well. He will not get time and he will not get the benefit of the doubt. The expectations of the fan base, the media and the ownership are far higher than mid-table learn as you go. His CV suggests he wins one in every three games. Is that really good enough? He has nothing that people can look to to suggest there is a method to the madness. He will need to win from the off. It's not a question of the knives coming out. They have never been sheathed. Spurs fans are not to be blamed. At this end of the table the expectations are a part of the job. It's not the fans that need to stick by their convictions, it is the board. AVB never had a chance and he won the treble. Does Pochettino have more rope? We all know what history suggests. COYS
peterballb
I'll not write him off though before he's even managed to clear his office of sweaty left-over gilets!
MAN ON!
A manager with a top class playing record, excellent coaching reputation and now with PL experience having improved Southampton. What's not to like? This guy will definitely hit the ground running so the rot stops now. I wouldn't burden him with a CL expectation, let's just be satisfied with consistently good football, beating the weaker teams comfortably and putting up a good show against the rest. A year of consolidation ahead and a tilt at the EL for CL qualification. Roll on August. COYS
Love totty
Good article, the club and the fans reflect the state of the world we live in always wanting MORE, never satisfied with their lot. When people focus on MORE all the time they are always looking at the future and often miss the now, the joy from this moment. I think we fans as well as the club need to change our mindset and be a bit more humble. Some clubs have fans that are just that and even when they get thrashed they are behind their team. Fans have been critised and rightly so, you only have to read some comments on here to see just how much negativity there is around our club, that is the mind set of some people, I wouldn't want to be living their lives. The club have done the same, having knee jerk reactions when things get tough, again it's a mind set, fear behind it and again it reflection of the times, wanting instant gratification, that is what money has and materialism has done to us, we have lost what is important and it is not pretty to see imo.

I love the game of football and I love supporting Tottenham for many years but I do not like the way football is manifesting, greed, and egoistic, but as I said it is a reflection of times, all I can say is we all have to take responsibility, look at our own mind and ask the questions of ourself, are we contributing positively or negatively? Of course we can disagree and have opinions about players, managers, tactics, games but sometimes there is 'hate' in our voices, our mind, damn right evil at times, personal insults and for me as time goes on after over forty years of supporting Spurs and loving and playing football I see I get further and further away from this way of life, it's a shame but necessary.

You only have to look at fans the way they abuse the refs. Yes they make mistakes but they are human and have families, are you one of them? I will be quietly supporting my club this coming season, will I continue on this site, may be may be not, depends on the quality of the discussions, I don't want negativity, abuse and damn right evilness in my life, what we sow we reap, I am a human being trying to be the best person I can who happens to love football and this club, but seriously it is getting harder and harder to be part of it, we fans do need to look at our mindset and how we behave, of course we all want to win but being so negative as soon as things get tough and being so abusive doesn't help anyone including ourselves. COYS - Peace, love and Happiness prevails
BigSpursFan
Love totty.. I wish I could be as confident in his future abilities as you are. I see nothing from his past that suggests it though.
MAN ON!
MoPo is here, we have no choice....that was taken for us by the board...so fingers crossed and over to them to back him! Clive- I think that happy clapping and spending money is how the board view us...although there are a few seals on here that would clap for any scrap thrown there way...;)
shedboy2
Man On, now I have seen that article I am worried, I will now go and read the articles that Cider put up to get me excited by him again. You are right that his past doesn't give us a clue about what he can achieve with us, lets hope this is the start of something special.
Kong
Our first team will be knackered by Xmas and we'll all be looking for replacements by January, and/or we'll be running along, playing nice football but losing and drawing too many matches that we had the higher possession stats in and should've won. Scoring 4 and leaking 3 when we do beat West Ham will not be much of an improvement, I'm afraid. Losing 5-3 to City, instead of to nil, will still not gain us any points. COYS!
MAN ON!
BSF - I kind of get your point, I remember sitting at the CL game at home to Milan and fans complaining that we were keeping it tight and playing for the 0-0 to go through. I sat their thinking about losing to Chelsea 6-1 at home, Newcastle 7-1 away and all the other dross throughout the nineties and thought, idiots I'm happy with my lot. However we keep moving backwards not forwards so frustations will kick in especially with the amount of money some of us are paying out each year.
clivetheyid
peterbalib everyone connected to football know that the Tottenham support is a laughing matter! Owen Hargreaves blames our support for the frequent short duration of our managers. Even Tim Sherwood singled out one as an example and put him on the bench in is final home game Booing misplaced passes, young home grown players, players leaving the field at half time and/or if not full, substitutions, Rarely heard at Man Utd for example, must do no good and give the opposition a boost. OK before anyone says so we pay our money and do what we want!!
camper
Come on MP, show us what you're made of. I hope I'm miserably wrong!
MAN ON!
Shedboy - I'd guess they don't pay the money...
clivetheyid
Man On - I'm expressing optimism rather than confidence I'd say. I'd have liked Rafa B but FDB would be a rookie in our league so I'm OK with Poch. These days you have to be at a big club to be considered successful so this is his chance to join the elite.
Love totty
camper - do you visit WHL regularly?
clivetheyid
I would have been delighted beating WH 4-3 in each of our 3 games this season. That to me would have been a massive improvement.
HershamSpur
Well done Ox, on your attempt to sound like Adrian Durham of TalkRadio.... however I can't believe a fellow Spurs fan would write such an article. Yes, before anyone gets on their invisible high horse, that is MY opinion. Yes. I was a bit downhearted yesterday at news of Mauricio but after the initial disappointment, came around pretty quickly but main concerns remains: the ability to rotate the squad; play in Europe; contest on multiple competitions; not knowing how to finish in top positions in the league. But hey-ho he's our Head Coach so he will get my unswerving support and hopefully we'll see him learn as we go along.
There are a few points I would like to a point out in particular Ox:

the sombre occasion of the Hillsboro memorial was life experience for all concerned - I doubt if any of the clubs would have done any different; Bill Nicholson's memorial was pretty sombre and yet atmospheric, 36000 of us were there to commemorate the great man.

"Do we as fans need to get our heads out of our backsides and relearn how to enjoy and support our club?" - speak for yourself Ox, my head has never visited that part of my anatomy. It can't be a nice experience for you. For over forty years I have paid the season ticket prices or the entrance money the club has demanded of me... so I feel just in expecting the best - we are near the top in paying out the in expensive tickets. So if the clubs expectations are lower then charge the paying customers lower prices.

"I don`t feel there is the genuine enjoyment and love of the game, but instead it is replaced by a more demanding and expectant body, that doesn`t want good football and the right result, but he insists on it." On what do you base on that or is just replicating the words of the pundits you hear / read on the telly/ papers/ on line forums. By the way those people don't pay to go to the games. Of course I insist that players give their best at EVERY game - why shouldn't I ?

"As fans we talk of what the club should do and where they go wrong", as supporters or even as fans what else can we do? our conversations doesn't mean a thing to the decision makers. We are forever speculating and feeding on speculation... should we all stay quiet and leave it to the non paying 'pundits' ?

If you attended the same games as me, I dare say your opinion of 'stamping their feet in dissatisfaction at all of the other recent managers during their tenure' would change as there has been none! I have attended more than 98% of the home games over the past 25 years. The angst against the previous unqualified one was mainly on here - far away from the games - are we that small a club to put a novice in charge of the club ? Are we really ?! The supporters should be applauded from a great height for the show of patience at the games.

"despite our last three actually doing rather well in terms of results and league position" - what exactly did we win Ox in that time? Or are you suggesting that we ought just glad that they were working for the club and 'earning' a a huge salary

As far as our supporters go, we probably have one of the highest % of seats taken up in the games and in my experience we have never ever been one of the most vocal ones. Clivetheyid is quite right to point the 'silence' in some grounds such as Anfield, OT, Emptycrates - please don't just judge by the noise emanated by the TV - because if you listen carefully you might hear different things...

I do appreciate what you are trying to do; but you forget, in your haste to criticise the Spurs supporters, and fans for that matter, the reaction of Chelski (Benitez), L'Arse (the continuance of Wenger), Lpool(appointment of Hodgson and Rodgers) Everloan (appt of Martinez) Soton (appt of Pochettino) Palace (of Pullis) wham (Allardyce) AVilla (Lambert and McLeish); Stoke (Hughes) to name a few - we are not on our own, are we? By the way I missed out on reading of all the protest since 6 yesterday
You seem to be a genuine as a Spurs fan, but please you don't have try to be like a numskull like Durham - stay true to yourself!
Highgatespur
Man On - don't understand that. I though Southampton had the best defensive record in Europe at one point last season? They only conceded something like 4 goals in the first 12 games. I know it went pear shaped towards end of season but they still conceded less than we did over 38 games. I would expect Poch to drill our defence and get them protected by guys like Sandro and / or Capoue. I just don't see him as an all out attack type coach.
muttley
Love totty... I have a strange feeling of optimism but a lack confidence. I'm looking forward to a fresh start but can't get carried away. I just hope that MP is ready and able for the challenge ahead. I'll support him through it and be as patient as any fan can...
MAN ON!
HershamSpur.. I was being a little toungue in cheek there about are defence.
MAN ON!
*our defence*
MAN ON!
muttley.. So did we but it didn't stay that way for both teams....
MAN ON!
They only conceded 5 less than us!
MAN ON!
Highgate - could not have put it better myself, bravo!
clivetheyid
We each of us have our own high horse Highgate. Yours is up in the clouds today!
MAN ON!
I disagree that his past doesn't give us a clue on how he will do with us..after all it's his past that was the reason he was hired! It's the reason we all get jobs, promotions etc...that said he can learn from his past...hopefully he will rotate well perhaps the lack of putting too many youngsters in at saints was because he almost got espanyol relegated by having too many youngsters and he learned from that?
shedboy2
Highgate, I was going to get on my real horse as couldn't find my invisible one.
Kong
Muttley - our defense was the best in the league at one point....we have a glaring problem at LB though....
shedboy2
Why should any of us take OxfordSpurs words personally, and go on the defensive. He is just posing questions for our debate, that's all.....
MAN ON!
Clive, no examples! It's what I would like to see at the lane! Us over achieving and a display of love between fans and the players/ coaches! Aspirational, I know! My examples of palace and athletico both fit your bill! It wasn't meant as a dig at fans, but an aspiration! I attended 3 games last season. Newcastle home! ( fans were excited and frustrated) stoke home( winning but not much singing) and the ledley game! ( amazing atmosphere!). Between being told to sit and be quiet by stewards, and not much noise for the league games, it was disappointing to me! I think if we play better as a result of poch, we can get that mutual love back!
Dublin Hotspur
By the way those 3 games cost me more than a season ticket in flights, cabs and tickets! I'd love a ST and get to them all!
Dublin Hotspur
Highgate is talking ballcocks!
MAN ON!
And some are choosing to debate the other side of the argument Man On, surely?
clivetheyid
Shedboy, Sherwood got the job without experience but we won't go there :)
Kong
Was Rose not playing in our first few games?
MAN ON!
After the initial surprise I am sorted ... I still strongly believe that gulf of our squad is fine as it is - and I trust the qualified coaching skills of Pochettino's team will be enough to see us through the CL qualifications in 2015/6.... I am so glad that we have come out of the debacle 2013/4 season... good riddance to it and all that rubbish that blighted our season!!!
Highgatespur
We have to accept that we start next season a bit further back from where we started last year. We knew top four was a stretch then but didn't reckon on Everton and MU juxtapositioning. Now the gap is bigger between us and those we hoped to pip, mainly Liverpoo and the Scum. 5th would be a good result now so the EL becomes so much more important than before.
Love totty
Dublin going to have to disagree, firstly AM just won the title that does not fit my scenario. Secondly the fans at WHL have been disengaged by the owners not the playing staff, this won't change.
clivetheyid
clivetheyid. Of course. I'm complaining about getting personal with Ox as opposed to disagreeing with him. He is generalising, not addressing individual fans on VS.
MAN ON!
Kong I am happy with the unveiling - a lot of club tend to do that when appointing in the close season. I personally think it's safe to assume that it was the person who best fitted the vision of the board....
Highgatespur
And no we disagree Highgate the chances of us getting anywhere near 4th next year are very very limited.
clivetheyid
highgate-if pochettino can replicate last season imo he has done well.i agree that we should be looking at top 4 in 2015/2016 season.
tarkan mardinCOYS
Man On! Hopefully it won't take that long to get rid of all the negativity fed into the players' minds.;-)
Highgatespur
As for the criticism of Poch picking the same players week in, week out, great! If they are fit, playing well and winning, why not? The reality will be that the EL will mean that the same players will not stay fit and playing well, which is where our squad depth will help him.
Love totty
WHL has become a bloody miserable place to be. I am aware of the atmosphere as much as anyone who goes regularly, as I do myself. It is a fact that the vast majority of our home crowds do have their heads up something because their voices are muffled if not silent. My take is that if you've paid for the pleasure, make the bloody most of it, just as our away support does....
MAN ON!
anybody slightly concerned about the 'double-training sessions'.apparently southampton players were asked to come in morning and afternoon.remember these players are precious little sheits
tarkan mardinCOYS
Man On! your comments were far too easy to predict ... if you were to read it again, it wasn't taken as a personal attack ... are you practicing your PR skills with Ox now ? I'm sure Ox is able to respond himself. Be good now and stay calm ;-)
Highgatespur
MAN ON “I have a strange feeling of optimism but a lack confidence”. I think that is how a lot of us are feeling. Looking forward to seeing if Poch can do the same for Lamela, Holtby etc that he did for Clyne, Rodrigues but at the same time dreading the moment it all crashes down

My earlier comment regarding the backlash on here, I don’t thinks it’s aimed at Pochettino, or even his abilities as a manger, but more at Daniel Levy who people (myself included) feel has simply opted for the cheaper riskier and more controversial appointment. I don’t think Poch is the right guy, that has nothing to do with his abilities but has more to do with the expectations of the club. At this moment in time we needed a rock of a manger, someone who’s literally been there done that. Poch has neither been there or done that. That isn’t to say he won’t be a massive success, but the gamble IMO is just far too great. Anyway, like I said, I will support him 100% as will most fans but what happens if after the opening 8 games we have 2 points? I can hear the knives sharpening already…
hudderspur
surely the afternoon sessions will collide with their playstation time
tarkan mardinCOYS
Highgatespur Post of the day & spot on.
Fanny adams
shed, a bit delayed on commenting on a couple of your earlier posts, so apologies. Didn't we very nearly buy Osvaldo last year! he looked good on the footage I saw, but a loose canon! other one was on the training and playing twice a week! hopefully he will rotate the squad better than we saw last season! plenty of fitness, and plenty of tactical harmony, I hope!
Dublin Hotspur
Totspur - I thought the 5 year contract was a blinder for Mauricio..
Highgatespur
So we're hoping that after one season that MP replicates where we finished last season. That makes sense, except when it comes from those that criticised the last two head coaches for only achieving 6th place.
MAN ON!
OK Clive, I think we have wires crossed. all I was trying to say was AM and Palace over achieved this year, fans got behind them! awesome atmospheres at their grounds! all I want is us to start over achieving (not saying winning the league, but would be nice!) and have the fans behind them. nothing more, nothing in dispute with your points.
Dublin Hotspur
spot on Man on,such hypocrites
tarkan mardinCOYS
jimmy-yid - Good point, but inevitable really. With Levy's record no one decent will sign a contract with Spurs unless their pay off when they get sacked is written in stone.
jod
Critical - I don't see many coming in this window. As for WC - probably only Paulinho will still be involved after the 1/4s... I can see Belgium faltering earlier than expected - they are being talked about too much... manure are in a worse potion than us I think.
Highgatespur
Man on, Rose was playing early season…remember his positioning which led to Arsenals soft goal!
Dublin Hotspur
jimmy the yid - the jury awaits until then Mauricio deserves all our 100% support - he didn't appoint himself... Hope he comes through.
Highgatespur
Man On... you seem obsessed with certain individuals and their views, facts are the board set the expectation of CL and acted according to their expectations. This has nothing to do with the people commenting on here. If you are happy investing your time and money without any negativity when the ship is sailing backwards then that's your prerogative but you have to accept other views as well. If you are truly a regular visitor to WHL you will know that it has ALWAYS been a truly difficult group to please - this is not something that is new, if you travel away you will know the support is fantastic.
clivetheyid
I'm off to prepare myself for an exciting but disappointing-if you're an England fan-World Cup... Come on Belgium.... Vert's could do with waking up..... Come on Brazil.. Paulinho needs to pick-up too...... Good luck Pochettino and may the fans be with you.
MAN ON!
I would seriously question the statement that Pochettino "looks quite capable of doing a decent job". Nothing he has done so far in his career suggests he can do any more for us than Sherwood. Essentially its an act of faith on Levy's part, but given his record that doesn't inspire confidence.
jod
Dunno about Belgium you know Highgate, I mean Dembele and JV must have been saving themselves for something!
clivetheyid
Oxfordspur

If Liverpool were in Spurs position last season then Liverpool fans would act like Spurs fans have been.
If Spurs fans were in Liverpools position then Spurs fans would act the same way Liverpool fans have.

The point that is missing is it`s the club that makes the fans miserable,Levy is torturing Spurs fans with his greedy nature & haphazard approach to football.The greediness of Spurs has got out of control,they`ve been selling diet coke for champagne prices & people deservedly feel ripped off.
For the first time in 15 years i didn`t go to one game last season,i`m not spending £150 to watch that $hit.

The fans haven`t got to get their head out of their arses,Levy has to get his head out of his.His arrogance & abuse of fan loyalty is astounding.
The same demands that Levy has put on the fans,is not the same demand that has been returned by the club.

After the initial shock I have now swung round to Poncho as he`s our manager & we have to give him a chance.
You only get exploited if you allow yourself to be.Spurs fans have been exploited for far too long & some fans tolerate it,some don`t.The standard of football should almost match the ticket prices
Fanny adams
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2641519/How-Mauricio-Pochettino-beat-Frank-Boer-Tottenham-job.html
tarkan mardinCOYS
Fanny - again put perfectly much like highgates assessment.
clivetheyid
I come from a position of when you're 3-0 down sing louder! It's a lot more helpful than silence. Levy and Lewis are not responsible for the atmosphere at WHL once we've taken our seats. We as individuals take responsibility for our own responses and expectations.... Don't be a sheep be a bloody wolf and howl aloud. Lambs to the slaughter or heroes? When we're 5-0 down sing louder. Being apathetic is a pathetic idea of how to support a team. Even booing is better than silence. WAKE UP SPURS!
MAN ON!
Dublin . I do. I also remember all of our defenders making howlers throughout the entire season. Rose was not alone.
MAN ON!
tottingham10 - fair play I was not dismissing your idea, just don't know much about the guy.
clivetheyid
Rose just made it look easier to make a mistake than his hapless pals.
clivetheyid
Who gives a monkey's about the Kop when you support Spurs!
MAN ON!
man on- England will surprise a few this world cup...I think we have the players to do well..can Roy blend them? If he can we have strikers who can score (sturridge,Rooney) technically good mids who all put in a shift and are mobile- Lallana, Wilshire, Oxlaide, barkley, Sturridge with a couple of experienced heads gerrard/Lamps that have both played further back as they have got older...a decent keeper and an OK 1st choice back 4....Lambert and Henderson can offer something different..as I say not a bad squad, all used to playing high intensity at the highest level if we impose that on other countries they won't know what hit them...BUT the heat will be a factor...
shedboy2
Did he? I don't think so. At least Rose looked like he could be bothered, unlike the highly praised Jan the Man!
MAN ON!
sneiderlin is a good player but please not another central midfielder.we are overloaded in this department.the priority should be the defence
tarkan mardinCOYS
danny rose is all right in my book-
tarkan mardinCOYS
shedboy2... I agree. I'm happy with the squad but it really is the intensity of the heat that concerns me. Still if Charlton and co., coped well enough in Mexico then maybe that lot can also cope in Brazil.
MAN ON!
It led to how many years banning of British teams in Europe? Set us all back a long way and after Liverpool being dominant at that time.
MAN ON!
Danny rose is ssssshhhhhh.....ocking....
shedboy2
It is good to be difficult to get players in and out, in such limited time with the players due to WC. I mean how can he assess players that will be in the WC and Hodgson has already said agents will not be allowed around the place, transfers will have to be done after WC.

So we have potentially six weeks with many players not being around. When do other players not in WC report back to the club for training?
BigSpursFan
Ox .... Great article, Mate. I’ve enjoyed watching/following THFC for decades. I enjoy watching my team play and my only basic desire is that we try to play good football and are competitive within the EPL. Of course I want us to win things and progress but, if I demanded success in terms of cups and titles, I would not enjoy the whole ‘football supporter’ experience. I would become angry and frustrated ... and that is not how I want to feel; so my expectations are realistic and my enjoyment is locked in basic football. As I said earlier, we are not good enough for the top four ... yet. The enjoyment, for me, is not so much achieving trophy success as it is the journey that takes us there. Imo.
Geofspurs
Of course, I mean no disrespect to the victims of the Hillsborough tragedy when I say that..
MAN ON!
Don't listen Rose. I like you......
MAN ON!
I personally wanted Benitez but the appointment has been made and we must look at the positives. Pochettino teams play good football, have a discernable pattern of play and most of all play with tempo. The buzz term in football at the moment is " ball circulation " note Liverpool, Everton and Soton did move the ball a damn sight quicker than us. That is what beats packed defences. Do not torture yourselves with the negatives because we will drive ourselves crazy.
cynicspur
moPo played us twice last year if he doesn't have dossiers on our players strengths and weaknesses then fire him now! He will know how the players play...he just needs to meet the personalities behind the players...
shedboy2
van der vaart out of the world cup,shame
tarkan mardinCOYS
I do find it ironic ,when so many of you are saying be positive, get behind the team, have patience etc. I was saying that all last season and was shouted down for being unrealistic. It's a funny ole forum...
MAN ON!
BigSpursFan.. A few days after their last match played, I suppose but, they'll be given a break, so not immediately after.
MAN ON!
Good point clivetheyid on the post starting "So it our fault?" - hey we are only the paying customers - how dare we pay for the high costs ??? btw I am no mini Hanson but do wish I had his money... very good point re the contrasting achievements. Hope the price drops along with the expectations!!! NEVER - we are aiming for CL!!! See the pool fans at the Chelski game ?
Good point re fans of the club.
0-0 v Milan - BORING!!!! wanted HR out there and then !!! ;-) I remember the groans of frustration! Oh if only they knew!
Highgatespur
shedboy2, surely the conversations will now be between Baldini and Pochettino - see the WHL crowd singing for Baldini and have a flag for him (WHL H+S regulations allowing)? I'm sure the Paxton will be ready for action!!!
be patient - we won't need to buy that many in - the 50m will be spent on those highlighted so far on Vital.
Great point re selling your strongest players!!!
Shedboy you should know by now that the decision makers don't take note of such thing as a poll - it seems to me that twitter feed against AVB was the only occasion when the social media were heard!
you and clivetheyid seem to share my concerns re lack of rotation experience
Highgatespur
Having defended Rose, I would love to see Shaw at Spurs but 25 Mil or so? Expensive for a guy so young and inexperienced and assuming we could get him anyway.
MAN ON!
tottingham10- yes let's hope Poch is backed but if Rose is still our first choice LB next season he'll either be a miracle worker or doesn't have a clue what he's doing....
shedboy2
Kong - really wouldn't care to know - it's like going through all your ex girlfriends with your wife !!!
Would a Begian/Spurs scarf do we have more representatives from Belgium !;-)
Highgatespur
Dublin - that support was brilliant - Palace fans had already decided in October they were down and thought enjoy the experience. Great support - lets see if it lasts... where else was Pullis going to be ? He has after all learnt all there is to learn ?!
Flags at WHL ? you deeming the H+S at LBH seem to be far strenuous than LBI down the road let alone Anfield!!!
Highgatespur
trevox, the booing at WHL is hardly noticeable - just out of interest, which player / manager have been crest fallen by the booing at WHL ?
Highgatespur
LilyWhiteHart - I so hope you're right there - but do I detect more faith in manure than in Spurs ?
Highgatespur
Andyid over the years the anxious feeling of the WHL has hardly changed - we were never the most vocal at home but away from WHL - a different matter.
Highgatespur
Hudderspur - what backlash - have I missed it ?
Highgatespur
Camper what yardstick are you using to measure 'better supporters and biased refereeing decisions' ?
With regards to TS's self anointed replacement - he was said to be commenting on the decisions and what he'd do - like we all do - it wasn't for booing I'd hate if such a supporter was credited to sit on the bench for booing... were you there at OT when the likes of Fellani and Cleverly were substituted / came on for manure of late ? TVs have a tendency not to show that - will only show when it validate their opinion/agenda...
Highgatespur
tottingham10 - that's a new term!!
agree with you on Loveren - with Dawson /Kaboom going the other way - if not both!!!
Highgatespur
Pele10 - are you Confucius in disguise?
Highgatespur
Man On! I do believe Robinson was brought up as a catholic! LOL
Highgatespur
peterballb - I am willing to go past our history and hope that May 27th 2014 is a historical day for Spurs for years to come! "we are on the march with Mauricio's army ...' hope he values the cups!!!
Highgatespur
Sorry Highgate, what is like going through your ex girlfriends? You can wear whatever scarf you like, each of us can represent a country of a player :).
Kong
who is confucius?
tarkan mardinCOYS
As a paying customer if you don't like the goods you bought last week then don't complain when you go out and spend on the same goods the following week. Nobody is forced to spend their hard-earned cash when supporting Spurs. Grow up and be responsible for your own actions. Make a day of it and stop feeling sorry for yourselves guys. Palace fans will be s*******ing at us, even in defeat.
MAN ON!
Why was the word s*******ing edited? Laughing then! ;-)
MAN ON!
How can a word within a word be edited out as offensive. Automated political correctness?
MAN ON!
In one post Man On you have completely misunderstood the way a football supporter thinks and acts. Its not a product for us, we have done and will continue to support the club, its in our blood. Moving on or off is not an option. Can't believe a regular at any football club would take this route of argument.
clivetheyid
So LvG is interested in Konoplyanka...c'mon MoPo get this lad ...12m and he's mustard....
shedboy2
Sorry tottingham10, so many mistakes from Danny, the mistake and subsequent shrug of the shoulders in the Cup third round did it for me, £60 to watch him act like a plonker and then shrug his shoulders. Just not good enough and never will be.
clivetheyid
clivetheyid. That's what makes us humans beautiful maaaaan. We're not all the same. Your bull is not the same as my crap! ;-)
MAN ON!
Football supporters who attend games for 20, 30, 40, 50 years don't just stop, sorry Man On - just ain't the way of it. Your post makes you sound like a post-Sky armchair expert. Which I'm sure you are not based on your previous comments about being a regular.
clivetheyid
clive...Of couse it's an option. I would have paid a tenner to see the Rolling Stones 30 years ago but I'm not about to fork out £300 to see them tomorrow. I still love the Stones but I don't like what they now offer me. Strange logic, I know, but it's my logic, if not anyone else's.
MAN ON!
WHLN17london - love to see any links that can justify Rose being mentioned in the same sentence as Baines. Must have missed that report...
clivetheyid
Man On... Not the logic of any regular attending football supporter I have ever spoken to. Takes all sorts I suppose.
clivetheyid
whln17-im surprised he was chosen in the first place.his been abysmal in an abysmal relegated team
tarkan mardinCOYS
MAN ON! Last season you supported those who had no care for you.

This season fans want respect from the club manager & players.So let`s make it happen.
I`m with Poncho all the way,but respect is a 2 way thing.

You maybe this happy go lucky fan who enjoys being fleeced & doesn`t care that some of our players earn more in a week than a hardworking life saving nurse does in 3 years.

The more the players earn & the more the club earns the more they have to justify it.You maybe pleased with yourself for helping the club get richer & the players become millionaires,but for some fans they see it as a kick in the teeth when their hard earned cash is going straight to those who don`t even care.

I`m so happy Adebayor get`s paid £1 million a month,whilst us fans have to put up with constant bull$hit.
Fanny adams
tottingham10- there are a plethora of better LB's out there..of course only being owned by an overseas Billionaire precludes us from buying Shaw...I like Indi and would play him at LB over Rose but there is rodriguez, Sandro or a cheap option that Levy would like-get another Argy in - Insua, did alright at Pool has matured and is caught behind a class settled lb at AM...if Rose has anything about him he'd stay and try and fight for his place...
shedboy2
tottingham10- I would rephrase this line of yours 'We want the best from our English talent' to 'we want the best English talent'...I don't want sub standard players in the team or squad just because they are homegrown...that is the path to failure. And as I said above if MoPo doesn't know our players strengths and weaknesses after playing us twice he's not the man for us...he should know our players inside out...just needs to meet the personalities behind the players now...
shedboy2
tottingham10 - all for bringing on talent but for me Rose (now lets remember he is a full time pro at one of the biggest clubs in the country and has been loaned to half the football league) has no positional sense, does not know when to stand his man and when not to dive in, can't cross, gets pushed off the ball too easily and has the temperament of of a toddler who has lost his lolly pop. Pro's - he's slightly quicker than Dawson. So in the spirit of fairness what would you class as these positive attributes which need to be developed?
clivetheyid
clivetheyid. My comments sound like me not anyone else. I'm not saying you are wrong but, for me, I'm right. That's my point of view. I still can't believe that you are feeling obliged as though there is some outside force beyond your control making you spend your money though, because to me ,that's what it reads like.
MAN ON!
tottingham10 - Rose demanded to be first choice or he would have to consider his future - let's not forget that.
clivetheyid
Rose is the same age as Walker...and miles behind...he also intimated he wanted to play 1st team footy or would be off...yes the powers that be shouldn't have left us with a returning loanee as first choice but I think AVB had his heart set on Coentrao....oh the heady days of thinking we might get a player of that calibre....
shedboy2
Man On - must be something filling those stands every week at WHL and for that matter all those mid-table clubs and relegation threatened clubs who win nothing but still get 1000's through the gates each week. Let's agree to disagree on this one.
clivetheyid
tottingham10- Livermore is shinning at Hull - shall we get him back or can we do better?
shedboy2
Cynicspur ... you have a very inappropriate user name for someone that seems nicely optimistic! :-)
Geofspurs
Danny Rose is just another in a very long list, Andy Turner Darren Caskey Danny Hill Jonnie Jackson Stephen Clemence Alton Thelwell Ciaran Toner John Piercy Yannick Kamanan Mark Yeates Jamie Slabber Stephen Kelly Ronnie Henry Dean Marney Rob Burch Philip Ifil Lee Barnard Jamie O’Hara Tommy Forecast Andy Barcham Dorian Dervite Troy Archibald-Henville David Button Steven Caulker Jake Nicholson, You can raise me a Carr, Campbell or King, but I'll come back with another 100 like the names above.
clivetheyid
so Lallana to Pool, Konoplayanka to Manu...what are we doing? what is Baldini doing in Spain...to dare is to procrastinate....and then fudge it.
shedboy2
clivetheyid. I think we are actually misunderstanding each other. Of course it's in our blood to continue to support our team but, in whichever way we choose. There are many fans just as obsessive as you or I that don't go to matches and not just because of finances or geography.
MAN ON!
Rose brought being found out upon himself, he put himself under the spot light with his attitude 'play me or I go'. I think we were trying to get a LB but with this ultimatum I think it was hard, if we let Rose go without giving that chance we probably would have needed two LB's a first choice and a back up if Fryers wasn't deemed ready to be understudy. If we had got the RM LB then I think we would have sold Rose because he wouldn't have been first choice.

Shaw looks different class from the start, attribute he has is humility, unlike Rose, the big 'I am' after a average season with Sunderland.

Sometimes it is best to keep your mouth shut, and if you feel your not being played and deserve to be then try and move but ultimatum's never sit well with me, arrogant, disrespectful to others and your employer, but Rose did that making out he was good enough when clearly he isn't, he brought it on himself. When will some players learn, prove yourself first and be a bit more humble and then usually things tend to work out.
BigSpursFan
Vanilla fudge it!
MAN ON!
On a budget.....
MAN ON!
One of the biggest problems we have in the PL especially with our culture is players have one good season and then they think they are world class. Not enough players learning their trade with respect for others and themselves or as I said humble enough imo. It's the same with some managers, Tim spouting of he knows it all yet hadn't proved himself, even FDB wanted to be known as the next Tottenham manager, Poch kept his own counsel, that's being humble, that shows a person who is professional, has respect for others and conducts himself in a manner that will take him far, lets hope it is with us.
BigSpursFan
This is why I have got fond of Walker. He had a good season and was linked with other clubs but he didn't get dragged into the hype, he signed a new long term contract and when he was interviewed you could tell he was full of excitement being seen as one of the longest serving players at the club at such a young age. He may not be the best RB but he has not let things get out of hand even after being called up for the England squad.
BigSpursFan
I see Rose as being quite humble myself. I'm not sure where people get these assumptions from. I've heard that he works hard and is a very willing learner. That's come from his coaches and managers. Maybe they got it wrong. He was still however part of our defence that had a very good record at the start of the season. He wasn't around when it started to crumble and then stepped back in to a defence that had collectively lost it in his absence... Or, did I imagine all that?
MAN ON!
Man On... Now who's talking bull cocks - any evidence of that?
clivetheyid
Apparently Baldini is going Madrid after Barcelona for business. He is in Barcelona for dinner with Luis Enrique paid for by THFC.
Kong
Man On! re the horse up in the clouds ... Have you been watching me ? Oh yea I forgot your previous claims about me; LOL!!!
Highgatespur
tottingham10 - for every one Sturridge you could name 100 no marks. Sometimes it best to just accept a dud is a dud.
clivetheyid
Good article. Such questions should be asked in print, not least because they must occur to readers of football websites thick with criticism but almost always steering clear of fans' self-criticism. It is noticeable how different fans are at the various clubs. All clubs seem to have some fans that are similar to each other in their impatience or dissatisfaction or sympathetic and understanding frame of mind, but the (im)balance of these types of supporter at the various clubs is markedly different.
Airwave
Kong, if you have a real one I'd've thought you don't need a make believe one! ;-)
'but we won't go there' - a good choice...
I don't know about ex girlfriends, but since you wanted to know who was rejected for the job ?!!
Highgatespur
I remember quite clearly people saying it about Rose. This is not a court of law though and you can chose to believe it or not. I'm not about to go searching for cold hard evidence.
MAN ON!
Highgatespur. My apologies. I was picking on you again. Probably because you stand out a lot more than others, by the sheer volume of your posts. My High horse seems to be looking down at yours right now.. I'm as opinionated as anyone on here......
MAN ON!
Shedboy2, as I said earlier hopefully we'll learn with him! re rotation, playing in Europe, valuing cups
As for England I'm predicting a 3 game tour of Brazil this summer (this ought to ensure at least a semi final appearance!!)
According some Rose has potential - ought to be the highest paid player on a ten year contract - nah make that 20 years !!! LOL His overall form was diabolical last year
Highgatespur
Man On - I'll go with not.
clivetheyid
WHLN17London - gotta say, well said re Heysel ... did it ever happen ?
Highgatespur
Highgate, I never had a make believe horse before so its me being greedy. I now know what post you was talking about, thanks.
Kong
Man On! you'd be the champion of knowing when ballcocks is being spoken !!! How rude!!! ;-) but nothing less is expected !!!
I think you ought to go to every WHL game to rouse the crowd to be singing proud and loud ... ever thought of seeking a sponsor to meet your costs, missed salary , travel and ticket costs ... I'm sure some former players will come forward ....;-) We'd all appreciate a 'band leader' as it were...
I'm sure Rose will be elated and sleep easy from now and will make DL rush that 20 year contract @ £1m per week salary basic... ;-).... dream shattered! So much for loyal support!
Re As a paying customer - you forget - the club belongs to the supporters and fans - we remain as the others come and go .... I'm sure I saw you saying the same previously... or were you only joking ?
Highgatespur
Dublin - that aspirational love in between the fans and the club - went away ages ago... Were used to gift balls, shirts given out photos taken at the lap of appreciation at the end of season - this year only one player did that - Adebayor!!!! A friend had to remind me that it used to happen before - I had forgotten!!! thought you'd book air tickets well ahead! Well done to you .... remember if you need any away tickets....
Spot on about Osvaldo - it was choice between lamela and him as I remember; so there was no 'winner takes it all' in this case!
A long list of Rose's debatable decision making prowess - you did well with only one....
Highgatespur
Love totty - I don't want create havoc on here with some but you are missing the stumbling block to progressing last year ....
Picking the same players week in week out ?- oh no! Back to HR days and AVB european days - totally kn*ckered by the end of season!!! Squad of 25 - use them all, I say - we pay them all!!!
Highgatespur
Clivetheyid - 2nd is near fourth - surely ? We will finish runners up to Palace next year ... ;-)
You have missed out Chadders from that Belgique list - scored a blinder the other night
Aptly put Clivetheyid re Rose j
Highgatespur
jod - he's experienced and qualified - two big differences
Highgatespur
Hudderspur I think the same of Levy - hopefully it's in reality more so than on forum... he needs to move away from the footballing matters now and leave it to Baldini!
Highgatespur
Thank you FA - are we back on good terms ? ;-) Not ballcocks then ? LOL
Good post yourself - nearly followed your advice you gave in February !
Highgatespur
I hear that there is a lot of home crowds who are quiet ... that's why the chanting of "this is just like a library" at most grounds ... not only WHL I presume and the singing sections... our version ... 1882 club on the odd occasion?
Highgatespur
Highgatespur - Adebayor was indeed the star of the post season fenced in by body guards thanks for my millionaire status parade. Good to hear you praise his attitude, personally though I thought he showed himself as non-team-player and would have dented his relationship with his fellow pro's
clivetheyid
Highgate... I'm a big burning ball of contradiction, I know it. I make no apology for that.
MAN ON!
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/27/mauricio-pochettino-new-tottenham-manager - any one else think we will seriously go for Lallana consider the personnel we already have in that position?
clivetheyid
Whln17london, all I heard was he was out with Luis Enrique, not sure on the other two people but is probably right. Its meant to be nice in Tickets. Hopefully some business was discussed but more their players coming to us.
Kong
clivetheyid. He may just be tempted to go for what he already knows. Most new managers will go for bringing in one or two from their previous club. A familiar face and all that..
MAN ON!
Highgatespur... It's precisely for that reason.... The club being ours etc. that I'm saying what I'm saying... It's up to us to take the responsibility of upping the support we give at WHL. Forget the politics of our club and, football in general and get back to having a good old fashioned sing-song, regardless. So much more enjoyable, even when the football is crap. We as a crowd are capable of lifting the team more so than any half-time throwing of teacups or hairdryer treatment, from the man in charge. Forget all the rest of the crap on match days and show some passion. It can make all the difference to a team lacking in confidence. Pulis did a great job at Palace but, we all know the supporters aided and abetted him and the players, in their rise up the table. It's not a chicken or the egg situation, it's all about the Cockerel crowing loud and proud, the rest will follow......
MAN ON!
shedboy2, how is Rose miles behind Walker? I'll suggest it's the other way round except when it comes to natural ability where Walker is miles ahead. They bothy work equaly hard. Both deliver the same amount of crosses to no one. Both are very fast and get up and down the wing. But, where Rose far outshines Walker is in the number of errors and just plain, boneheaded moves. There, Walker is a Superstar. Can't really recall teammates shaking their heads or yelling at Danny. Can't recall a plethora of idiotic plays that directly resulted in goals because they were gifted them. Can't recall Danny Rose benefitting from a very good defensive winger in Lennon. Same can be said for Naughton, who is less quick or flashy than the other two but who is far more dependable defensively. Corluka never killed himself to get forward, but he was dependable at the back. Bale was brilliant at LB going forward but sucked coming back and defending. He certainly will not be playing LB for RM even in a pinch. Walker is as good as that. Difference between the two is that Bale has a head on his shoulders and is a World Class winger. Walker doesn't and therefore could never be a World Class winger. Naughton and Rose are nowhere near as poor as some on here make out. COYS
peterballb
peterballb - "Can't really recall teammates shaking their heads or yelling at Danny." - you are joking right?
clivetheyid
some names Baldini is hopefully looking to extract from barca after his nice meal.
Christian Tello, Deulofeu, Montoya, Bartra,Sanchez.
add a few B teamers to our academy and we are sorted til the stadium is built!
Dublin Hotspur
WHLN17london- that's a good list...would love to add Konoplyanka who fits all that criteria and scores goals and tracks back...12m buyout, Levy made contact last window- it's an opportunity banging at our door...
shedboy2
Here are my expectations. That we make the group stages and that Pochettino gets to learn to rotate with this squad. That we go far in at least one of the domestic cups. That we qualify for europa by table position. That the fans realize that it will take 2 or 3 windows for pochettino to really start weeding out players he does not want and get in ones he does. That it will probably take until the New Year (if not longer) for Pochettino to really know the players in the squad. That we really can't have loftier expectations until the second or third season. That the board actually backs him and gets him the players he needs and wants (where were Moutinho, Bernardo, Leandro, Willian). That the fans at WHL show him better than the frosty reception that AVB received against WBA and Norwich to start his home tenure as Spurs Manager. That the board stick with him regardless of what the fans think. Anything beyond that is gravy. We will have this season to watch Martinez, Pochettino and Rodgers in unfamiliar territory. That will be what I will be watching. COYS
peterballb
LB - sorted then clivetheyid phew!!! - a swap with either Soton or Everloan with £20m coming our way along with Shaw or Baines and Rose going the other way - sorted !!! I saw the report it's on www.codswalloppullingyourlegeasy.co.uk ... quite a good read - fluffy pillows recommended!
You sound like that Norwegian of the 80s commentator ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqZTP8-8wIs

but Steve Caulker in it ? nah ....
Sometimes a dud turns into a not so dud - like Graham Roberts and the other who used to play at Palace and then in N5!

Highgatespur
tottingham10. Rose is going to be 24 in July - not that young in footballing terms - birds may have flown for him, just my opinion
All true, BUT the BIGGEST atrocity was none other than Rose! Clear winner ...
Highgatespur
No, clivetheyid, not joking. I believe that treatment is reserved for Walker. Whether it's Lennon, or Adebayor, or Dembele, or Lloris or Soldado or...or...or. Rose had some poor games. So did Adebayor, and Eriksen. Walker, IMO, only has poor games. I'd sell him without a second thought. The brain is nowhere near the physical ability. How oten did Rose burst forward only to have the LW also stay up high? Sure, Rose looks bad, but he was dongas asked and the cover was not there. I'm sure that's part of why Vertonghen does not like playin LB for us. You have to do it all. When Lennon does not play, Walker looks like he belongs in League One. COYS
peterballb
shedboy2 - I see Livermore at centre of midfield with Nabil next year!!! LOL
Highgatespur
BSF - agree with your point re Walker's pride ...
Highgatespur
ManOn! re Rose was that the opinion of the unqualified, after Rose praised him ? Hmmmmm ;-);
No worries about the apology - can't change the habits you are used to; the high horse comment wasn't directed at you and it was my first post of the day... you aren't that economical with your posting either are you ? I've posted 605 times to your 485 on here - not that much of a difference aye ? If you are opinionated as others, as you say, perhaps some respect is shown to their posts consistently ?... ;-) No worries getting used to it!!! Be good!
Highgatespur
WHLN17london, I wrote to LFC about Heysel some 2 years ago - no response yet !
Highgatespur
peter- Walker works harder getting back and his pace gets him out of trouble..he also needs to work on his crosses but they tend to land nearer a person than rose's and he's mile better in the air defensively, doesn't get shoved off the ball...yes he has his 'moments' but he is nowhere near as bad as you make him out to be....Naughton for me is a reliable RB I have no problem with him on the right...Rose just stick a forward in the position where he should be and the forward wins the header if Rose is there or more often not...
shedboy2
Looks like parks is going and freund staying. Prob in Tim's old role!
Dublin Hotspur
clivetheyid - those shots aren't seen on the television I don't think .... I remember plenty .... but I won't say ... Man On! 's probably counting how many spaces I take up ! LOL
Perhaps that was the intention of EA - good job you saw through it ... I must say I denied that opinion with my friend!!
Highgatespur
peteballb - I honestly think that Rose is much poorer than this forum gives him credit for. He WAS bad!!!! Both with form and especially with his attitude !!!
Highgatespur
Man On! I agree with the singing up - I feel the heart was ripped up - I know you'll disagree - after the Chelski game... Those same supporters btw sing our hearts out when we go away... Reason ?
There is no need to apologise for the contradictions, you of all people know that's not the case!
Highgatespur
Highgatespur..Well.... I ain't being bad. A back-handed compliment if ever I read one! I get a hell of a lot of rudeness thrown in my direction on here but I'm just not as sensitive as yourself, it would seem. You often support others in their rudeness though, if you agree with them but, come down on people when you disagree, That's what winds me up. Not your opinions on football and Spurs. It's your hypocrisy. Still we live and we learn. I think. Whatever!
MAN ON!
Take care!!! LOL!!!
MAN ON!
Shaw, Rodriguez, Coentrao, Umtiti or Ashley Cole. Surely we can get 1 of them?
vicspur
A good example is today. I'm just giving my option on Rose and you're taking the pi$$ out of it. I wasn't taking the ***** out of others opinion of him just debating on his behalf. I wasn't rude to anyone but from your first on, post you were. Thats why I think you're a hypocrite. LOL!!!!!!!! Whatever!
MAN ON!
Man On! I really don't want to go there again (4 times already is enough) - been there .... I don't get think many people get told they are talking b******s blatantly as you regularly accuse my posts of doing. I would say that is the ultimate act of hypocrisy ... from a person who wants to come across as all caring, sharing and jovial then goes into a tirade of abuse towards one person in particular ... give yourself a break, you don't come across as all caring, sharing and jovial to me. As you say 'Whatever' !!! Lets move on.
Highgatespur
Now your being nice to me... *****! Sorry.
MAN ON!
Man On! I am refusing to play up to your superior knowledge of being knowledgeable about a person you never have met .... Look at your posts and see how many times you refer to me mockingly ... just have a look. I'm sorry to curtail your ego, but it wrong to you to assume that all of my comments are in direct response to yours ... I think Carly Simon's famous song does seem to apply to you. Take care fella. Be good ;-)
Highgatespur
Well, I apologised and you took the P... I misunderstood obviously. You are however a hypocrite sometimes. I could think of much worse things to be accused of... I've been called a C**T on here many times but I haven't held it against any of those posters. I've responded and then it's usually forgotten...... I submit....
MAN ON!
You may call it a tirade of abuse. I call it having a dig.
MAN ON!
vicspur - not the last one please!!! No chance of shaw, coentrao so it's out of Umtiti or Rodgriguez, I am going to go with our chief scout of Vital, Cider Spurs and opt for Rodriguez.
Highgatespur
man on/ highgate...your conversations going round...I smiled at man on saying the hypocrisy winds him up yet further up on a thread you describe yourself as a (I'll paraphrase I hope I remember correctly) seething ball of hypocrisy...classic...lol...;)
shedboy2
Man On! as I have politely suggested to you - let's move on....
Highgatespur
I was referring to comments that you addressed to me.... Oh well...
MAN ON!
shedboy2, it can be humorous sometimes... Btw did you renew ?
Highgatespur
Interesting line of thinking ole Tel boy ....

http://www.footballdirectnews.com/premier-league-news/50512-spurs-should-consider-replacement-claims-ex-boss.php
Highgatespur
Parting of the waves may not have been so smooth .... http://metro.co.uk/2014/05/28/mauricio-pochettino-an-open-reply-to-new-spurs-manager-who-left-southampton-4741802/
Highgatespur
I'll move on, But then, I would appreciate you not having sly digs at me and others if you can't take them yourself. I'm not sure that you are as polite as you think you are. Next time someone refers to someone else as a C**T and you agree with them, I will point it out. (It's happened a few times). Please don't take offence. The End.
MAN ON!
shedboy2. That's my point. I'm prepared to admit my sins and not deny them.........
MAN ON!
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/478681/Fabregas-Deulofeu-or-Sanchez-Who-s-Tottenham-s-Franco-Baldini-jetted-into-Barcelona-for
tarkan mardinCOYS
Highgate, apologies for the delay in getting back. daughters ballet, food shop etc etc…..
You'd think i would book early wouldn't you, but the games I get to usually don't get confirmed by my mates until late, as none are ST, and hence we normally get the stokes and Newcastles of the world. (season before was Reading and Sunderland at home….) never the top ones, so its always last minute dot com! even the ledley was only a week before when I got the pass from herself to go! averages about 180€ return, then cabs, and tickets, and I had one night in a hotel. total spend around a grand! + beer tokens and kebabs! I miss going regularly, but love my trips regardless. I will take you up on that ticket next season! i'm planning an early match next season, so hopefully organise a meet up for anyone who is going that day, and take it from there! really want to hit a loud match, so thinking Palace away or Pool. Toon even. anyway, thats the cost!
I think from memory mix and a few others make a game a season, and thats trans atlantic or pan asian, African. (will check the global support for march thread!) that costs a pretty penny too.

distant or close we all may be, but we all support, shout for and want the best for the club we all love!

Welcome Poch, and bring us some pride and glory!!!!
Dublin Hotspur
so,now the real fun starts.whos in whos out.itks out in force.
tarkan mardinCOYS
Highgate IN. Man On OUT!
MAN ON!
Sorry guys, I'll let you get on with it......
MAN ON!
Come back coops, and bring some order to the transfers!!!!!
Dublin Hotspur
just gave my daughter her bath, and she started singing "everything is awesome" from the Lego movie. (Watch it, it is the best film of the year for lads, forget the kids…. i was in stitches the whole way through!). I think she's right! We have a good manager, he may be great! we have new coaching staff. we have a great squad. We have Baldini talking to Barca (I'm taking the "In" school of thought). we have a settled period coming up! I have a great family, good friends, (real and Cyber) and love life right now! Everything could well be awesome! I hugged her when she got in her PJ's and said " Lara, everything is awesome! Thanks for reminding me!"
Dublin Hotspur
Talk of making the crowd sing more ... here's something from boyhotspur: Cue, Dublin with the flag !

The Song For Poch

Don’t cry for me, Argie Tino
Poche-ttino, he’s a Yid-do
If you like to gamble, I tell you I’m your man,
You win some, lose some, all the same to me,
The pleasure is to play, makes no difference what you say,
I don’t share your greed, the only Argie I need is
Poche-ttino, Poche-ttino
Pochettino went to Spurs, and said goodbye to Southampton,

Off he went with a trumpety-trump, no hablo Ingles…*
MoMo MoMoMoMo MoMoMoMoMoMo POCH-E-TTINO!*
This years’ saviour’s blue and white army!
Easy come, easy go, will Levy let him go?
Mauricio! No, we will not let you go. (Let him go!)
Mauricio! We will not let you go. (Let him go!)
Mauricio! We will not let you go. (Let me go!)
Will not let you go. (Let me go!)
Never, never let you go
Never let me go, oh.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Oh, mama mia, mama mia (Mama mia, let me go.)
Joe Lewis has a compo package put aside for Poch-ee, for Poch-ee, Pochee…

*stolen from Spurs Community
Highgatespur
sorry, should have kept that to myself…. soft as she ite…lol
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin Hotspur. Sentimentality will get you everywhere and nowhere baby.... That't where it's at.
MAN ON!
highgate-you have way too much time on your hands
tarkan mardinCOYS
scotland v holland starting soon! storage wars or Man V food for now? Adam Richman spurs fan, serial eater, legend! MVF for me!
Dublin Hotspur
Thats great to hear Dublin.... No problem about the away No problem... neither would be a home one. Gawd the break down of the costs does add up... monster costs!!!! Lovely tale regarding your daughter .... looks like we're after Lalana - here we go .....
Highgatespur
love that highgate. its like a compilation tape!
Dublin Hotspur
Thanks for the heads - thought Nigeria were Scotland - some money tied up there!!!
Highgatespur
weird, Sky schedule says scotland holland, SS App says scotland Nigeria! think I'd rather watch holland v nigeria! which is it?
Dublin Hotspur
It's Scotland v Nigeria.
MAN ON!
you're right highagte! the match fixing!

BTW, a young girl of 17 who lives across from me jumped of a bridge over the motorway on sunday, suicide! lovely girl and a shame. know the family.
long and short, the news here showed a story about suicide in Ireland (second only to Sweden in Europe). its kind of swept under the carpet. they showed a clip of the bridge, then the golden gate, and then Archway (suicide) bridge! (Highagate to Crouch end). Haven't been there for years! used to go home to crouch end that way! do they have a net under that now? looked like it!
Dublin Hotspur
Isn't it Nigeria that Ade tipped for the WC?
Dublin Hotspur
Ade laid into the Nigeria team and the Ivory Coast for being selfish and not much up for team work... He did say that Nigeria should not be underestimated.....
MAN ON!
Thanks man on, i am a sentimental bugger! It gets me everywhere with the kids, and no where everywhere else! as you say! everywhere and nowhere lol!
Dublin Hotspur
I didn't realise he'd tipped them.
MAN ON!
Yours is the Under 21s - Dublin!!
Highgatespur
ah, cheers man on! see what Nigeria have to offer so!
Dublin Hotspur
I was thinking of HI-HO Silver Lining....... Every cloud has one and you cheered me up with your homely picture.
MAN ON!
Yeah,Scotland v Holland under 21 match....
MAN ON!
So sorry to hear that - so young!!! You're talking of the suicide bridge over Archway Road ... 1/2 mile from me... they have put spikes nets made the barriers bigger - cameras BUT still happens!!! Sad but true!!! It faces the Emptyctaes in full view now!! I thought Adebaypr has backed Ivory Coast - LOL!!!
Highgatespur
Anyway I'm off to work..... It's not a hate thing Highgate.... I don't do hate. May your God go with you....
MAN ON!
Man On! I thought he was very critical of IC - thought it was a bit ironic from him!
Highgatespur
Cider, I see your prediction might well come true - but different destination ....

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2995/betting/2014/05/28/4845634/-
Highgatespur
Thats the one highgate! used to be one a week back in the day! tragic!

have a good night at work Man on! look after them all!
Dublin Hotspur
As I keep saying, Man On! - let's move on....
Highgatespur
Highgate -- Cannot agree with your post aimed at Ox, and the subsequent ones defending the atmosphere at the Lane. I was chatting about this to a Palace season ticket holder on Monday, and asked him about the atmosphere at Selhurst Park. He told me it was always good, but over the summer supporters groups spread the word to ramp it up in the hope that the twelfth man effect would give them the best possible chance of staying up. So, it was not a case of being resigned to relegation after 10 or so games and just enjoying their time in the PL. They were at it from the off. I'm sure you recall how good an atmosphere they created that first day against us.

The truth is, the atmosphere at the Lane has never been as bad as it has this past two seasons. At times it has been toxic. If there was nothing wrong, then why the need for some players to hint at it? Why the need for AVB to directly address the issue after the Hull game? Why the need for various groups such as the 1882 movement to crop up and try and do something about it?

Sorry, mate, but I feel you are wrong on this.

On another note, I'm excited about Pochettino's appointment. No, not my first pick, but he was up there. Let's not bang on about what he hasn't won, and that ever annoying win % statistic. I think Cider's post on what his peers and his players think of him s a far more telling one. I really hope we all get behind him. COYS
SpursEagle
Dublin, I witnessed the police talking one out of it once .... more than one a week... what a drop!!!
Highgatespur
one hot a bus in front of us once. i was on the 263, and the roof popped on the 43 in front! chaos ensued! always was a bit afraid of what i might see every time i went under or over it!
Dublin Hotspur
SpursEagle - fair enough about the Eagles - knew it was a deliberate attempt to enjoy their time to stay up for the first time in EPL...
The atmosphere has never been that good for a number of years ... the last good one I think was "we want you to stay" game ... even after then the form dipped along with the atmosphere... and the withdrawal of the drummer didn't help in the 90s ? Height of atmospheric nature was the 2009-10 /11 season other than 'the special games'; the 1882 group have been trying to be involved with the 1st team games for a while since its inception in 2012 - the club never allowed them in to big games till last year and that was only for a few games. I was most surprised at how the 1882 group have been treated by Spurs... I think many clubs have their own organisation to rev up the singing...

I don't know about the 'toxic' atmosphere ? To me toxic would be booing players and mangers , calling for them to go, not turning up; low crowds... I don't think I have experienced that yet - I would disagree with you there I.m afraid; but it all depends on the definition of the term. IMO, generally we have always been of the quieter crowds at WHL.
Highgatespur
Dublin, oh gawd ... never met anyone experiencing that ... I have always avoided Archway Road at all costs unless totally necessary... what a nightmare!
Highgatespur
I was 13 at the time, so 1984! saw nothing nut the chaos thank god! london is a mad place, everyone has a story! I have a few!
Dublin Hotspur
Sorry meant to attach this too my last post to SpursEagle about the 1882 movement

http://www.camporetro.com/read/1882-movement/
Highgatespur
Dublin, I have no doubt about that no doubt at all.... LOL
Highgatespur
SpursEagle… No way has the atmosphere been toxic, just low key, fans feed up with expectations being sent into the clouds with reality being nothing like. We really are clutching at straws discussing the atmosphere as a deciding factor. The scum seem to cope quite well at the quietest ground in the league. Pressurised atmosphere should be a piece of p*** for millionaire pro footballers.
clivetheyid
Peterballb… I can’t believe you attended games last season and have come to the conclusion that Rose was a liability who caused week after week of frustration. Just to clarify Walker would be first choice RB in Brazil but for injury, Danny Rose wouldn’t even be in consideration despite playing most of the season. Surely this proves the point.
clivetheyid
Coops, just having my first ever Sharp's Brewery cornish Pilsner! I'm no lager man, but this is awesome!
Dublin Hotspur
Manchester United owner Malcolm Glazer has died at the age of 86, wonder if it will have any implications for them?
clivetheyid
man on, heres an article that balances our discussion this morning re training!

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/05/28/the-pochettino-joke-which-will-worry-tottenhams-players/?

;-)
Dublin Hotspur
Guys, don't panic about the rotation issue with MoPo. Afterall, Southampton did NOT have a deep squad. May be double training sessions were needed there to improve the stamina of the core players (core being MOST of their 1st 11). If you take out Shaw, Lallana, Rodriguez + 1 other, Saints would've been battling to stay in the PL. Hopefully, therefore, it should NOT be an issue at Spurs.

Strongest hint yet re transfers from Miller (our ambassador)...""Last year we spent nothing, what came in will go out for the next three or four years. The club runs itself quite well and Daniel (Levy) is fantastic on the finances."

"But we do have to trim the squad, I think some of the players we have got in have not been good enough and that's a fact."

"There were some there that needed to go and we need to buy some players. We need two or three defenders because that is a problem for us at the moment."

Full article:

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/9329080/former-tottenham-defender-paul-miller-backs-new-boss-mauricio-pochettino
Critical_Spur
HILARIOUS

http://theboyhotspur.com/adebayor-snubbed-within-24hrs-of-poch-appointment/
Dublin Hotspur
"We have had too many managers in the last ten years, I think we all know that, all we want now is to give somebody a couple of years and four transfer windows, let him make his own impression and impact on the team and then ask the question later." - yeah if thats the case why did he sack off AVB? A leopard does not change its spots, first sign of trouble and Levy will issue the P45. If Poch gets 4 transfer windows it will be a miracle.
clivetheyid
Clive, the 2 sons pretty much run the biz! implications are they get his wealth. depend what direction they want to go! Yacht, beach, or football!
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin - good one, however the crux of the first conversion is actually a real threat. All the ego's won't be pleased with this appointment JV, Lloris, Ade etc.
clivetheyid
Dublin - lets hope yacht on the beach and Old Trafford implodes again!
clivetheyid
Konoplyanka would be a big risk in my opinion. Shevchenko or Rebrov anyone?
clivetheyid
There will be parties galore of sympathy do doubt! RIP Mr Glazer.
Highgatespur
Highgate, I reckon Belgium will be the dark horses of this WC. Their group comprises: Algeria, Russia, Korea. Safe bet making it to the knock-out stages. From there on a bit of a lottery, but I feel it in my water re their squad!
Critical_Spur
Peter Crouch and Jermain Defoe were first choice strikers for Englad too. Na Und. Honestly, means absolutely nothing when it comes to the EPL and how they perform there. I suppose if Townsend weren't injured he might be there too. So what? I was there, not this past season, but the one prior. I have watched every game though and Walker made more errors that wound up in the back of our net than any other player in the squad. He has been terrible for two years with his performances getting poorer and poorer. When Rose went down, they both had the same number of crosses, Walker had been directly responsible for goals (ie his mistake led dirctly to the goal), Rose had none. We obviously see it different. Walker is terrible. My opinion. He and Dawson stalledmore movements than any other players. Howmany of his throw ins go directly out of bounds or to the other team? His turnover rate is unacceptable for any player at this level. He creates nowhere near enough going forward for us all to ignore how poor he is at the other end. He beside Galas last season was like saloon doors. Walk right through to the bar. Shockingly poor. My opinion. Not from lack of wanting it to not be so. As at April 17, 2014, Spurs had made 19 errors leading directly to goals, the worst total in the league. We finished the season having made 33 defensive errors, up from 28 the year prior. Both are poor stats for a top team and Walker is the one player, who, to me, stands out more than others. The header, the back pass to no one. Beat inside when he guessed outside. He far too frequently makes errors that one would not expect of the starting RB for the past 3 seasons. COYS
peterballb
WHLN17london - to be fair I've only seen him once at WHL last year, I guess the summer destination will give insight into how big a talent he is.
clivetheyid
clivetheyid , who said that about 10 years ?
Highgatespur
Critical - wouldn't have any problems if they succeed - but there are always one or two disappointments in the WC... Korea always play to their best and Algeria I hear they've the next world's best player in midfield ! Could be tricky! LOL
Highgatespur
Clivetheyid, it really depends n the fans' expectations as to whether there will be a firing. In August I repeatedly stated that top 5 was what I expected because there were too many new faces and injuries to think that we'd be up there. Oh, we'd be in the mix, but you just can't compete all season long at the required level with all that going on. Wenger stated, (and I don't disagree), when you get beyond a couple of changes to the starting XI, it is asking a lot to expect there not to be lots of bumps. Expctations were unreal. Same as the year prior with all the players coming in (Lloris, Ade late (shocker), Vertonghen, Sigurdsson, Dembele, Dempsey, Holtby, Fryers). It's why I would not be looking at changing out too many players before January. The new manager needs to really see and feel what he has. Who can and will do what he requires? None of us know at this point. Expectations this year should not include CL. Bridge too far, methinks. COYS
peterballb
Lol! Highgate! The only thing about Algeria I have ever learnt in my life is how to spell Nabil Bentelab! Is Algeria on this planet?!
Critical_Spur
Peter I'm not saying walker is amazing but how can you say Rose made no errors leading to goals, just off the top of my head FA Cup against them lot?
clivetheyid
Agree re expectations however as I keep saying the club have endorsed such Sky high expectations from the fans. It's starts with them not us.
clivetheyid
Walker is the best RB we have had at the club for several years. Rose has improved only a fraction of what he was 2 years ago, he was crap then. Naughton OK at RB but thats all. Like your posts Peter but you are way out on this one.
matt hoten
One of my favourite authors was Algerian, Albert Camus... He also played in goal for them. Sorry for my little bit of trivia.... Up the Tottenham High Road!
MAN ON!
Zidane, French Algerian.
MAN ON!
Seems like Joe Lewis wanted Poch. So levy did as he was told...
Block D Spurs
Algerian coffee. Nice and strong!
MAN ON!
Zidane, what a player!
MAN ON!
I am with Peter re Walker, 5th row on the East Stand gives me a close quarters view, the only thing that saves him is his pace. Positionally all over the place and always likely to concede stupid free kicks, would rather have Naughton.
ItalianYiddo
That's what I think is Rose's main problem. He tries his upmost to follow Walkers lead but is just not up to it. They both need some good coaching I believe. I think they are both very capable.
MAN ON!
There were Spurs fans saying that Bale will make a good full-back but tries too hard to be a winger and others that said he's a crap left-back that will make a great winger. Rose and Walker ain't no Bale but.......
MAN ON!
IY - I'm not endorsing Walker simply saying Rose is not up to it. In fact I would go as far as to say if the only summer business is a LB in and Rose out I'd be happy.
clivetheyid
Man On!, Agree re Rose trying to emulate Walker! Blind leading the blind! Both of their throw-ins land on the opposition's heads, both provide appalling crosses. A lot of huff/puff and no end result. Over to MoPo to sort it out!
Critical_Spur
.....now Bale plays on the right wing.....
MAN ON!
Twitter alive with Sandro to Napoli rumours. Now the manager is in place transfer silly season can get into full swing!
clivetheyid
Critical - Algeria's a beautiful country - a lot of late night life of the right sort !!! Nabil - player of the tournament.... anyone ?
Highgatespur
clivetheyid - don't know about Sky high expectations but I fully expect CL qualification next year!
Highgatespur
Does anyone know what's Mauricio's approach to rotation ? Cider ?
Highgatespur
Man On, both Rose and Walker are poor when it comes to crosses, it makes you wonder if players work on their weak points. We are talking about players that are supposedly on top of their game playing for a top club in the PL that train everyday yet can't muster the art of getting a decent cross in.
ItalianYiddo
I'm just keen to see what the new coaching staff can do with all of them. We'll see soon enough who's up to it and who's not. Fresh start for all concerned.
MAN ON!
ItalianYiddo. That's exactly what I don't get. Practice and more bloody practise..... It''s not complicated.
MAN ON!
Clivetheyid, point was and remains, I cannot slag off Rose when Walker, IMO, creates way more chaos at the back while being no better going forward. Quicker, that's fine, but hat does it mean for positional play. For every one error you wish to throw at Rose's feet, there are three for Walker. That is the issue. Rose is a LW playing LB. Walker is a RB playing in position. I'd play Naughton over Walker any day of the week. You could never ask Walker to play LB. Naughton has always had to defer to Walker because he is very limited in what he can do. Yes, he runs fast. Also often does not hustle back. Lennon and Lloris have made him look poor instead of horrid. IMO, his brain will never catch up to his abilities. Unless and until it does, he is an almost man who is fast. That's his game. Fredericks is fast too and his crosses in Europa were quality. That's what we need. Srna, Walker is not. COYS
peterballb
Highgate.... given out single appearance in the current format I would be classing that as sky high. Man On... If Poch can make Rose a player he deserves more than a contract to manage THFC he would be a miracle worker
clivetheyid
I agree about Walker and Naughton, peterbalb. I do think that Walker is hard working though, which is a plus. I think he needs a good talking too by a good coach that hopefully he will listen to. I don't know.
MAN ON!
IY, Agree with you there - both awful at crossing... It was refreshing to see Fryers make that wonderful cross for EA vs Dnipro.... for me , I rate Walker but definitely agree he definitely needs to calm down to wipe those mistakes out....
Highgatespur
clivetheyid - don't get you ?
Highgatespur
clivetheyid..Haha... On his pay packet, I expect nothing if not a miracle..
MAN ON!
Man On! i do like the seemingly controlled composure that Naughton shows... but probably would prefer a starting place - he's 26!
Highgatespur
TBH, I was itching to Fryers after his appearance in the EL. I guess he failed to brew up for Tim!
Critical_Spur
Peter - perhaps both Walker and Rose are not good enough. One being worse than the other does not eliminate the ability to critic the other negatively. However I'll have a bet with you now that in 2 years Walker is still acres ahead of Rose in terms of premier league and international appearances.
clivetheyid
@DH,Man on, Rose was playing early season…remember his positioning which led to Arsenals soft goal
he was not out of position, we were attacking and guess who gave the ball away trying to chip an arse player, the might sandro gave a silly ball away and they broke
123spurs
Agree with you Man On! re fresh start for all - really feel some deserve a fresh one elsewhere...
Highgatespur
'to see Fryer'
Critical_Spur
Highgate... Expecting Champions League under this ownership when all we do is sell our best players and have only played one season of CL football is sky high expectations. The only thing that denotes CL about our club are the ticket prices. Harrods we ain't, Marks and Spencer maybe.
clivetheyid
clivetheyid...By the way I wasn't really disagreeing with you so much as adding my own weird slant to the supporter argument. I do understand where you and Highgate are coming from...... I spend money that I can't really afford, to watch Spurs but, I can't seem to help myself....
MAN ON!
Man On... Touché on his money we should expect miracles but I'd suggest he masters walking on water before attempting to turn Rose into a top player
clivetheyid
Critical - one of those frustrating moments of the past year ...
Highgatespur
123, I remember it. Too many of our players, whatever we think of them and their talent, messed up, big time.
MAN ON!
clivetheyid, not quite M&S more like Morrisons......
ItalianYiddo
clivetheyid. I just hope he can at least paddle in the deep end after a gentle breaststroke, in shallow water with the Saints...
MAN ON!
Right off to the land of nod to dream of Champions League, Bale, Modric, VDV, Crouch and San Siro's, of winning down the road and 13 points clear. Only to wake up to Poch explaining to Dawson that a high line ain't a great idea and that he ain't Hoddle so stop it with the 40 yard passes (through the translator of course). Have fun!
clivetheyid
Clivetheyid, can't really name one English RB who does it for me but can name 3 LB's who are phenomenal (Cole, Baines, Shaw) so not really worth a punt on the international front. Much like at striker, England really has a dearth of quality and depth at some positions. We'll see. Let's see what Pochettino does with all three. Young English talent that could use work. COYS
peterballb
Well my expectations going into MnS has never changed - always pleased whereas Harrods - never shopped in there although worked there in my college days ... same products - hiked up prices... Harrods always ripping people off - like Spurs? Champions League here we come! As Man On! says why should people be expecting the same when playing under an unqualified one now that we have a qualified one in place?
Highgatespur
Ox. I agree with you regarding the decision ....
Highgatespur
Ah Highgate what will the excuse be when the next one fails to achieve your goals, you and Daniel peas in a pod :-)
clivetheyid
I worked in Fortnum's as a teenager. Worked at Harrods as a Labourer way back when. I could tell a few stories about both of those high class department stores but I won't. ;-)
MAN ON!
Lads- Apologies if this has been mooted before... this scenario could only come from the fevered brain of a long-suffering Spurs fan: 2014-15...Poncho gets Spurs playing great football, we win a trophy and pip Arsenal to 3rd place...everything's rosy.. 2015-16...we sweep all away in the CL, meeting Arsenal in the semis and winning the away leg 2-0...during the intervening week the same devious Gooner who spiked the teams grub a few years back against West Ham flies to the Falklands/Maldives and creates an act of terrorism.....in an eerie dja-vu, Argentina declares war on the UK, our Argies resign en masse and a rudderless Spurs side loses the home leg on penalties........it can't happen, right!!??
Brown-Baker-Henry
Brown-Baker-Henry... Knowing the luck of the Spurs, you never know you know....
MAN ON!
back to work.. good night all.
MAN ON!
clivetheyid - why say goodbye to TS - if that is the case ?!!!
Highgatespur
BBH; The first part can certainly happen and the second part not even in your wildest dream - things in the Falklands don't develop that fast... anyway L'Arse will get knocked out after the group stage as usual .... there you have it!!!
Highgatespur
Man On! so could we all... but we all signed that paper didn't we ?
Highgatespur
I certainly hope so ...
http://www.footballdirectnews.com/premier-league-news/50553-spurs-have-pulled-off-coup-of-the-year.php
Highgatespur
So...High says no way, Man On says maybe...sounds about right!......Hafta say, though, I'm getting more excited by the minute......all the right noises, extra-hard training, high pressing, Shaw, Lallana etc.......could be great...
Brown-Baker-Henry
Brown-Baker-Henry... You've the best name of all.... Has a great ring about it... I was thinking of calling myself: Rose-Dawson-Walker! Not the same... ;-) I really must get back to work!
MAN ON!
could be crap...
MAN ON!
MAN/IY ... I agree about Walker and Rose. They both have potential and I don’t understand why is does not seem to be progressing. It has to be a training issue? It’s pretty obvious to every supporter what they need to do to improve their game, and it’s all fairly basic skills. My main issue with Rose is that he does not appear to enjoy playing. He always wears a sour look on his face and never stops moaning ... a bit like Craig Bellamy! I’d only want to keep Rose if he improves his game; and I think he needs to do it soon.
Geofspurs
Highgate ... Not sure what you base top four expectations on?
Geofspurs
BBHBNMJWSAD: It probably will happen ... now that you’ve brought it up! :-)
Geofspurs
Geoff- Oooops!...Man On- ta...
Brown-Baker-Henry
Hi, peeps. Long time... Poch wasn't my choice but I'm in love with him now :) Hopefully he'll do well. I remember reports stating he was the players choice, so, hopefully he'll persuade some to stay that may have otherwise tried to leave. His former players (hehe) speak very highly of him. I think our football will be noticeably better under him than we've had to endure under AVB and Tim. The aPoch-oh-lips has arrived! Come On You Fecking Spurs!!
jerkinmahjurgen
Walker, Rose and Dawson have also been involved in spells where our defense has been very sturdy. It's the whole shebang, isn't it? How they're used, tactics, protection, attacking obligations, just having the occasional mare of a game. We're a good 6th with the potential to push on to even 3rd, maybe. And slide-able to mid-table if we don't keep the pace, such is the strength of our league. Despite many changes over two and a half years, our continuity has been apparent. I don't see us as starting over, but keeping this ball rolling. Hope you guys are all good. I see you're arguing well... lol :P
jerkinmahjurgen
Jerk ... I'm with you on both posts!
Geofspurs
I'm not convinced by the general consensus that the football is suddenly going to become swashbuckling, attack attack attack disney style entertainment. Are the players capable of that? Redknapp years were great, because of Redknapp? Or because of Bale and Lennon bombing up the wings, Modric pulling the strings and VDV adding that touch of class. Much was made of the AVB style but when he had bale creating moments of magic there were few complaints. We sold out last truly class player and surprise surprise the stuff being served up was stale and turgid much like it was when we had a poorer playing staff under previous managers. Unless the guy is given the 5 years to build another side like the 2000-12 group it's not going to get much better, and certainly not by Aug 14. Will Levy give him time? Million pound question. Will Levy enter the transfer market for the top players? Unlikely.
clivetheyid
clivetheyid, I would love disney style entertainment :)
Kong
step away from the stats and look at Walkers play in comparison to Rose, Walker's not perfect and needs to improve crossing, yes he makes mistakes and goes through periods of poor form but he forces a game, takes it to the oppo has his man pinned back the oppo are scared of walker...Rose is miles behind the oppo aren't scared in fact they let him come forward to attack the space in behind...he is a LB playing LB...the fact that he couldn't make it as a PL LW meant he had to convert to a LB and it looks like he's a lower PL standard LB at best....just look at where the oppo target...it's nearly always our LB area....he can be out jumped, out thought, out fought and out muscled too easily and whilst he's quick he doesn't have the outright speed nor determination to cover when running back to goal....if MoPo can turn him onto a top4 LB he'll deserve 'Coach' of the season because amongst a multitude of other things he'll have either stretched him 4 inches or taught him to leap an extra 20%!
shedboy2
highgate- MoPo on Rotation is a learning experience...hasn't really done it!
shedboy2
Kong - I have a 1 year old and 3 year old at home, it Disney everyday...
clivetheyid
Shedboy... has not done it, or does not believe in it? We will find out by Christmas
clivetheyid
clivetheyid- yes everyone talking about the high press....not exactly a surprise now...do you think the oppo will know how to deal with us? we'll need a plan B...highline press...throw it into the left channel over the top and have a race...and if Lloris is injured it's a goal!
shedboy2
Shed boy..... Spot on on Rose, as per my comment above Poch should master walking on water before attempting the challenge of turning Rose into a top class defender.
clivetheyid
Shed boy..... Spot on on Rose, as per my comment above Poch should master walking on water before attempting the challenge of turning Rose into a top class defender.
clivetheyid
clive- yep we'll soon find out....one would have thought Gaston ramirez would have got a little more time at Saints....I don't envy you the Disney...I can't handle the sickly sweet rubbish they pump out...
shedboy2
Clivetheyid, I know the feeling, I have to ask my daugher if I can turn the channel from disney :).
Kong
Kong... I feel your pain, front door opens, shoes off, "I want to watch Disney"... it's like child you have 1,000 toys, play with them, "I want to watch football" - guess who wins lol
clivetheyid
Shedboy... the "game plan" literally kept me up at nights last season before a long away trip. The thought of Rose strolling back from their box as two quick or just averagely paced forward licked their lips at the thought of Dawson and his merry men still holding that line.
clivetheyid
Highgate.... Why say goodbye to TS? If for no other reason your campaign to out him was reason enough! I was no Sherwood fan but throughout this period I have maintained Sherwood was simply another symptom, not the cause of the problem. Levy is factor which needs to be replaced, changed or amended for us to be able to move forward and aim for your heady heights. Whether that be through movement sideways or out of the door. I suspect Levy is simply acting within the targets set by Joe Lewis so for us to truly challenge I believe we need to find a buyer, maybe this will have to wait until the proposition is stronger (i.e. new stadium) BUT aiming for regular CL football under the current administration is purely the stuff of dreamers. I get the impression if we had the chance to front up to Levy and question him he would say "WHat do you expect, you have seen that I always sell our best players, look at the financial benefits over the football success, I sack our managers whenever I feel like it and charge you a premium for it, you are an idiot Mr Fan, right I'm off in my Bentley to my mansion". Sorry mate but blind faith can only last so long.
clivetheyid
clive - you have to admit though, TS undermined his boss Levy. He'd been working on his management team for a few years and Levy turned to him when he needed one of his trusted guys to get stability until end of season. What happened next was unimpressive in the way he talked about THFC, the players through the media and he left Levy no option but to ask him to leave the club altogether. TS just created more unwanted attention and it became all about him rather than the team collective. Any experienced exec would have not put up with that nonsense in any walk of life. The only campaign that mattered against TS was by his own boss in my opinion. The fact the fans could see some of the issues matters neither way.
muttley
Mutley - it was rumoured Levy was close to Sherwood or visa versa before the appointment. Any experienced exec at Levy's level should have marked Sherwood cards years ago as an egotistical moron and never given him the role in the first place. Especially when he had a true team player like Freund in the ranks.
clivetheyid
The Times reporting Baldini is going to be sacked, anyone heard anything?
clivetheyid
As for the Walker / Rose debate, I'm uncertain whether its right to compare them both. I have no issue with Walker who is gradually improving. I saw him come in on the pivot and protect his centre halves a lot last season. I also saw him gradually give away less petulant free-kicks and win his duals. I like the guy. He hates losing, wants to own the whole of his side and I'm not sure any left midfielder wants to play against him. They end up most of the time further back because of his physical presence and pace and that's OK by me. Rose on the other hand probably needs a new contract so we can protect the asset but I'm less convinced he'll make it. He still doesn't look like a LB to me. His positional sense is horrible and you feel like they'll get goal side of him all the time. He also destabilises the centre halves as they subconsciously shift over to his side as they feel the weakness there. I'm not saying we should sell him unless we get a very good offer but he does need to show qualities he's so far not shown. Fryers I'm more curious about whether he can make it.
muttley
clivetheyid, that would be strange sacking Baldini now, you would have though he would have got sacked when AVB left. If he is to go then it needs to be done now and if they get someone else in then to sort the transfers out asap. I don't think he will go as he is already probably involved in looking at our transfer targets.
Kong
Clive - I do agree with that though. I've had my suspicions about Levy's ability to read people for some while. He's clearly a good business man who has backed his managers with money over the years. I'm just not sure he's got an instinct that you get from other execs though particularly applied to football matters. Perhaps thats a root cause but I have no sympathies with TS.
muttley
We do not even know if it is Levy making all the decisions or the orders are coming from Joe Lewis.
Kong
We do not even know if it is Levy making all the decisions or the orders are coming from Joe Lewis.
Kong
Sorry for the double post, just trying to get more points for posting.
Kong
Kong - not endorsing just reading the paper :) fully agree though Poch has to have a solid team around him and know they are all stable. Hopefully just poor reporting again.
clivetheyid
Mutley... It's never really occurred to me until recently but Freund would have been the much safer appointment, comes across like a club man I'm sure he would have held the fort until the summer without the PR exercise implemented by Sherwood and his media pals. Ah well all in the past.
clivetheyid
clivetheyid, we will probably be getting quite a few stories now from papers now Pochettino is in charge. Let the fun begin.
Kong
Chicken and egg. Play well and often, the fans might start being more vocal in their support. Groans from the stands and silence will make the task harder. My take, with many paying hard earned cash, week on week or by way of a season ticket, I believe they have every right to show their frustration.

Some argue that silence from the stands and mutterings of discontent is not supporting the team, questioning whether they are in fact supporters at all. It may be considered detrimental to performances, who knows, I'd suggest it's the case. But showing that one is not happy with performances to me shows that fans care for their club, a standing ovation for mediocre performances will be more detrimental to performances of the future, letting the players know improvement is required should be used as a motivational aid.

Whilst as stated, no problems with reactions to poor performances(booing step too far for me), I feel we need to up our levels of support when the good performances are playing out in front of us. Let's get the lane rocking, like Dublin, I thought the Palace fans were a joy to watch, great credit to the club and gates of circa 20 000. By all means we should let our feelings be known, but we seem all the more vocal in our negativity as opposed to positivity, maybe a reversal would be more beneficial.
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Levy is a crap manager....he is a poor judge of people and imo he needs to mature himself on an emotional level...it's one thing knocking down a price by backing people into a corner another working with and bringing the best out of people...he needs to learn how to handle people when they don't say yes...and have a few of those around...
shedboy2
Athletic Madrid winning La Liga and getting to the finals of the Copa Del Rey and CL final is obviously some sort of horrific joke... How did they get there with far less money than us and the 2 super powers of Spain. Perhaps the fact that they have a great squad of players and a fantastic young manager who is eager to win. Was Liverpools season a fluke with the "talent" they have and the ones we apparently 'stole' from them? I think fans need to leave the business of the club where it belongs, with the chairman. A waste of time to make pure assumptions when u have no scope whatsoever into the club. Dismissing our current set of players seems to be a trend here now that leads me to wonder if AVB had a point with the sheit support at our matches. Far too many haters...
Mix26
Mix26, what do you think of Dawson? Don't be dismissing him now :)
Kong
Lol Kong I've made no secret of my disdain for Mr Dawson yes but on that point I am right and u know it! ;-)
Mix26
Mix26, very true :)
Kong
The fans wee always going to have mixed opinions on the choice of Manager. Many wanted FdB with his winning things CV but in an inferior league. Or Pochettino with PL experience playing in our so called 'attacking style'. Both set up their teams with a high pressing game like under AVB. It will remain to be seen how this pans out, but we were never going to get LvG, Ancelotti etc as we just aren't big enough YET. We could have had Moyes or Mancini, so the grace of God has spared us that. I like he ticker tape idea for our first home match so lets set the trend of a love in for this season and see where it takes us. 5 YEARS is a good contract and he did buy himself out of his Southampton contract costing 2m. It is a step up for him and us over the last 2 years.
CoysRus
We can learn our Chairman needs to hold his nerve
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