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We have another new manager who is already dividing opinion despite not yet even overseeing his first training session. There will be countless debates between now and the start of next season over the appointment, and I'd rather this article didn't descend into more of the same. Because I'd like to provoke a bit of to-and-fro over another hot topic. Namely, the possibility of Pochettino bringing one/some of his former charges with him along for the White Hart Lane ride. 

It's taken for granted in that a manger switching clubs will be keen to make the leap accompanied by players who he knows, likes, and trusts from his former club. And it could be argued that Southampton currently have on their books players who would improve/add fresh dimensions to our defence, midfield, and attack. So with that in mind, I'm just going to point out the likely candidates and give my own opinion(s)

Luke Shaw - Probably going to be second choice LB for England at this World Cup, but a likely first choice for the foreseeable future. Has all the ingredients at an incredibly young age, and a frightening potential for improvement. We would not be in pole position to nick him, and we would certainly not be able to compete finincially should a bidding war ensue. Would I take him? In a heartbeat! Can I see it happening? Unfortunately not. 

Adam Lallana - Waited until the age of 26 to have his breakthrough season. At that age, it is often said that midfielders are entering their prime, and a (fully deserved) call up to Englands World Cup squad confirms his qualities. For me though, despite being able/comfortable working and coming off the flanks, he is very much an attacking CM. An area in which we already have numbers. Eriksen for me is just as good. But if we can find buyers at fair prices for any of Siggy/Holtby/Chadli then I would take a punt. Although I feel the price being bandied around of £25 million is far too steep. Maybe Danny Boy could pull a flanker and go in at say £15 mil plus one of the above? 

Jay Rodriguez - Probably the one that intrigues and piques my interest the most. Looked a shoe-in for yet another World Cup berth. Adept at playing anywhere across a front 3, with great feet (yes, 2 of them!!), a decent turn of pace, great football intelligence, and a real rocket of a shot on him. Would probably cost less than the two players previously mentioned, while offering more in terms of adaptability and usefulness squad-wise. Again, if we could get in with a low-end bid of say £5 mil plus any of Siggy/Holtby/Chadli then this for me would be a bit of a coup. 

 Lovren/Nathaniel Clyne/Calum Chambers - I've lumped these three in together, as their arrivals would depend on departures. Lovren and Clyne would certainly expect to be first-choice at any new club. This would mean demoting/saying goodbye to some of our own established first-teamers. Clyne vs. Walker? Much of a much-ness. Both look infinitely better going forward than defending, but with electric pace to dig them out of some/most of their forays up the wing. 

I'm undecided. Chambers may be more content to be part of a large squad rotation. He's already behind Clyne in the pecking order at Saints, and with us competing on 4 fronts he would probably see more game-time with us. A cheeky couple of mil plus Naughton maybe? 

I wanted Lovren last year. His price will have probably doubled, but for me would be awesome alongside Verts. If we can get good prices for Dawson/Kaboul, then he's a step-up in quality and age. 

Other names will crop up I'm sure. Schneiderlin shows good qualities and is already being linked with many clubs at home and abroad. Lambert (if Liverpool falls through) would be a cheap-ish option for those clubs who are a striker short. Ward-Prowse has potential aplenty. 

You may have suggestions that I've totally missed/forgotten, and as always I welcome the chance to be educated. Anyway, as always, come on you beautiful Spurs!!!

Written by LilyWhiteHart 




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Date:Friday May 30 2014

Time: 4:30AM

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First thing we need is to get a left back!
jvd
Overpriced but, Luke Shaw is the only one for me. The only one we actually need. I'm not sure about Lovren partnering Jan, as may be it's Jan that needs replacing. (Is Lovren left or right-sided)? If I was Pochetinno looking in at Spurs from his former club I wouldn't be very impressed with Jan's lack of speed or effort.
MAN ON!
I'd be interested to know how many of you have watched Southampton on a regular basis, for the past couple of seasons? Personally, I watched them twice last season, over the two matches against Spurs and, for a few minutes, here and there, of highlights on MOTD. So, thinking about it, I don't actually think I'm really qualified to judge any of their players, without any real in-depth knowledge of them. I did see Shaw play his one and only England senior match. (One half of a friendly against Denmark). He looked good. He has had only 2 full seasons in the PL and is only 18, so, may be I'm not even sure about him. Is it the hype I'm falling for? I've actually got no idea about MP as a coach really, after only 1 and a bit seasons. May be I should shut up as I obviously haven't a clue! I'm wasting yours and my time really. ;-)
MAN ON!
I do know that defensively, Southampton didn't fair much better than Spurs last season and up front managed just one more goal. Oh well. May be should look elsewhere for improvements.....
MAN ON!
Ben Davies. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
WOW!!! Impressed Man On! 3 postings out of the first 4! Embarrassed ? You wear it well....
Highgatespur
Is it just me, or does anyone else think Luke shaw is a good footballer, but seems a bit over rated in the grand scheme of things, probably because he's British! We need cover there, yeah, but let's not spend 30m on an 18 year old. We could easily get ceontreau (sp) or the like for that. Hopefully pochettino can do his Magog and get our left side sorted long term through the youth! But for now the lad from Madrid and kolyplanka(sp) will do for now as mentors to fryers and mcevoy!
Dublin Hotspur
He'll, if we want English we could prise baines from Everton for that money!
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin, too much too soon for Shaw ? He looks good though ....it's I tearing though all this talk of players following their managers ... The flavour of the month had only one following him out of Swansea and Martinez also had just one follower ... For me, I'd be content with Rodriguez for LB; the Belgian guy from AM (keep forgetting the name, help me out here Cider!) and Konoplayanka. If Solly leaves I'd welcome Lukaku .... I'd be happy. As Man Onsays Soton weren't all that, were they ?
Highgatespur
Highgate, I think it is toby alderweireld, the Belgian guy you are refering too.
Kong
The defender from Atletico - Toby Alderweireld.
Highgatespur
I think paying over £20m for Shaw would be too much but if Man U have supposedly bid £27m then that is way to high for us. The plus is he is only 18 so will have that left back spot for years, don't think we will get him though.
Kong
I think we should be quite excited. We have one of the best scouts in the business and Poch seems to have a good eye on players. I'm hoping we will see some gems entering WHL that are not necessarily house hold names but will fit in nicely into the squad. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
I am like Man On, I have not seen much of the Southampton players to make a judgement so if we do buy any of them then like our manager it will be interesting to see how they fit in.
Kong
Thanks Kong - posted simultaneously I think !!! All that research ...
Highgatespur
Yes highgate, was very tough researching that :).
Kong
I think most of the hype surrounding Southampton players is based on the fact most are English! This comes at a cost though, which explains their ridiculously high price tags.

For me personally I'd only look into Rodriguez, Ward-Prowse and Lovren, mainly because these look the sort of players that will at least generate a sell on profit if they don't live up to their potential in Spurs colours.

Sure Lallana and Shaw look awesome from time to time but you're looking at 50m for the both if the media figures are accurate. Do Spurs have that kind of money to throw around yet another season? Could that money be better spent elsewhere on players of the same calibre / better with change? Perhaps..
RyanHotSpur
Dublin, news to warm those cockles ... Those gurus of football of Talksports - Brazil and Warnock can't see why Pochettino was appointed ... They see no difference between him and the unqualified one. Guess we won't see much of them at WHL next year !!! LOL!!
Highgatespur
Speaking of transfers, does anyone know much about the Milan players we're linked with as of late? ST and CB if I remember correctly.
RyanHotSpur
was it Lovren that had an absolute mare against us? Was getting so rattled I thought he'd get sent off...not sure about him on the turn...we might end up with a direct daws replacement there......Shaw yes...but we won't spend the money required. Rodriguez is a guy I suggested ages ago and I prefaced it with...'I might get it in spades' he has progressed, I really like the player but his recent elevation and that Saints will have likely sold Lambert, Shaw and Lallana before him means they won't need money, he won't be cheap and he'd get more time playing through middle by staying put. Lallana, great feet and balance a technically good mid but imo similar to Eriksen do we really need to spend all that on this type of player for this position? imo the answer is no...so in reality with shaw's price and Rodriguez's injury I wouldn't take any from Saints...we need to spend our money more wisely (12m for Konoplyanka!) or we'll be lamenting another drop down the table this time next year...
shedboy2
Can't help but think as good as Lallana has been recently, he is way way over priced! can't see levy forking any where near the £25m. After the £17m on Bentley and the amounts spent on Lamela and Soldado I can't really blame him. Would love Rodrigues and Callum at our club. But our primary target should be at left back and replacing Naughton Rose Dawson and possibly Kaboul. We also need to try and 2 or 3 midfielders.
strawboy
They are eejits those two! Bet Brazil would feel different if he had to play under him! Or was a true fan.
Dublin Hotspur
At least we have pochettino and calm now! Much as the meeja are still trying to unsettle the club and fans!
Dublin Hotspur
dublin what are you talking about? are you having a conversation with your radio??...;)
shedboy2
Dublin, I think the chip on Brazil's shoulders about Spurs has grown into a fully fledged oak tree!!!! As for Warnock .... Clubs are falling over themselves to hire him !!!
Highgatespur
Jay Rodriguez makes the most sense to me. Current injury to be considered, but I do believe he would represent the best value for money, and could play numerous positions, could work well with him and Lamela playing as inside forwards, with the ability to swap in game, something Poch will be looking for in thee final 3rd, a freedom to express and attack, free licence I believe was the term used previously. On that basis, I believe we need players comfortable on either foot and willing to use both feet.
Cider spurs
Dublin, no worries I know what you're talking about !!! LOL shedboy2
Highgatespur
Some of you may be pleased to see rumours of a potential swap... Lamela for Guarin... I personally wanted to see more of Lamela this season.

Destro, Ricardo Rodriguez and and Wanyama rumours also floating around
RyanHotSpur
The Rodriguez I was referring to was the one recommended by our own scout extraordinaire, Cider, is the LB from Wolfsburg...
I don't think the director of Southampton was telling the truth when he said about waiting for the appointment of the manager before selling players on....
I don't think we need any more midfield players atm?
Highgatespur
Cider - he does...will he still be value for money? can we assess his injury before the end of the window?...he won't get a pre-season etc very risky (one I advocated before but I think the price will just go too high)...January TW might be better...
shedboy2
Lots of talk about Wanyama this morning, hopefully just speculation. CM is a position we are comfortable in, and I see Wanyama as nothing more than a younger Sgt. Wilson!! As I said, Rodriguez would be my pick, maybe for Chadli plus a couple of million. One thing that's only just occured to me, is Osvaldo still a Southampton player? Not that I'd want him, but surely Saints could raise a few quid from his sale to bring in another striker which would cushion the blow should they lose both Rodriguez (to us) and Lambert (to the bindippers)? Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
What about Santana? He looks good to me... especially with talk of beast and little Paul going.
Woodpekka
Bloody predictive! Wanyama, not the guitarist!
Woodpekka
Agree with you there shedboy2, no more crocks till they are fully recovered...
Highgatespur
Woodpekka, Santana would be better :).
Kong
I thought Sentanta went out of business ... LOL ... Wanyama ? Think he's desperate to follow mauricio - no thanks IMO !
Highgatespur
Good post Lily - agree with a lot of what you say. For me, Eriksen is better than Lallana, and younger, but if we were to get Lallana at closer to 18 whilst receiving a good offer for Siggy, I'd take it. It's a large amount, but he would bring more than just 'a good player'to our club. We know he can play the Pochettino way, and also, I think he'd be an exceptional role model for youngsters at the club - work hard, keep your head down, and you'll be rewarded - as he has with his thoroughly deserved WC spot. Shaw, I'd just about fully unload if we got him, but I think we'll be priced out, plus I've read that quite a few of his family and friends goto Chelsea games regularly, and that he himself grew up a Chelsea fan, if they're in for him, we lose out. If it's a straight choice between us & United, I'm clinging on to the Hope that Pochettino swings it. Lovren, would take him, bit lightweight at times (soldado assist for Eriksen springs to mind), but on the whole, better & faster than Dawson. Jay-Rod, bit of a risk with this injury, we don't really know how he'll recover, but if he hadn't have gotten injured, I'd be all over him. Would have been in WC squad for me no doubt, he was that good last year.
King26
Ryan - For the record, I would be gutted if we lost Lamela. In my opinion, if he stays injury-free he could absolutely kill it next season, especially in Pochettino's favoured 4-3-3 set-up. The signs are positive though. Pochettino would have a better chance than most of helping him bed-in even if purely on a communication level. And the fact he's out of the World Cup means he's out of the shop window. And while he's training in training back home it could/should mean he gets a good pre-season under his belt. Fingers crossed. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
we're not going to get Lukaku are we? Konoplyanka? Bruno indi Martins? any left back?....will we be looking at a few good players in and some of the poorer ones out at the end of the window?....I'm beginning to think it'll be the other way round...and it's not even open yet!....I have so little faith in Levy & Co. to make the right calls..yes Saints spent c70m net whilst we made a huge profit in transfers recently taking them from the Championship and us out of the top4 (where we wee two years ago) but we still have the much stronger squad, beat them twice (rodriguez getting injured when they were 2 up helped!) with a disparate team....so no I don't think saints is the best shopping destination.....Ricardo Rodriguez is a good call....
shedboy2
Forgot to add my bit on the others!! Chambers - Would for less than 6 mil if we can sell Naughton. Clyne - not for me, will be expensive and is 23 already so unlikely to improve much, money can be better spent elsewhere. Wanyama - no, just reminds me of Palacios, lots of energy, great at breaking up play, but what other strings are there? Would much rather see us keep Sandro, Dembele, Paulinho & Capoue in those roles. One who hasn't been mentioned is Ward-Prowse, I'd have a punt on him!!!
King26
shed...Pleasing that you see the Rodriguez talent the same as me, whilst Lallana and Shaw seem to be getting all the headline grabbing attention, it was indeed Rodriguez that stood out the most to me. Looked very comfortable on the ball and an intelligent player, as you rightly say, that injury makes it a no go for me at present, no guarantees regarding how he will recover, shame because I think he could come in and do very well in a Spurs shirt...will we see?.
Cider spurs
LilyWhiteHart- Osvaldo is- I joked about him yesterday...he did slap Lamela whilst at Roma so not sure he'd add harmony to the group although it would be fun to watch him and Ade up top together!..;)
shedboy2
Lastly, for now anyways - can anyone see Tom Carroll playing a Lallana like role for us? He's got a cracking left foot on him, little lightweight, but I think he needs to be played high up the pitch in order to see the best of him. If he had say, Sandro & any one other of our current central midfielders behind him, then he has more license to create, he's played centre mid too, so his workrate would be enough to offer cover/support if our LB goes bombing on (which he will under Pochettino). Not saying start Carroll on the left of the 3 in behind for every game, but I personally think he's much more suited to that position than he is centre mid. I see a lot of similarities between him and Lallana
King26
Cider- Jay-rod (stops you thinking LB) has that knack of being in the right place at the right time....people scoffed at 6m from Burnley but the boy has something about him....he's not a 20m+ player though and I think he might just get over hyped...shame...15m last Jan would have seen them snap our hand off!
shedboy2
Whilst Shaw seems to play far better than his age would suggest, I'm not into him at circa £27 million. Totally understand that he'll be worth a bit more being English, and the fact he will no doubt solve a LB problem for a club for years to come, but I think it is way too much for a 18 year old LB. Rodriguez (Wolfsburg) by December 2013 twice had the highest performance ranking out of all the LBs in Europe. 5 goals, 9 assists, 21 years old and circa £16-18 million. That I can handle.
Cider spurs
Shed - Haha.....as I said mate, I wouldn't want Osvaldo at the Lane. I just meant it may not be total heartbreak for Saints if we get Rodriguez and 'Pool get Lambert. Osvaldo seems to have decent stock in Europe, and so would bring in good money and free up wages for them to bring in at least one replacement striker. Also, weren't they giving games to another academy striker at the back end of last year? Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
Callum chambers prob has as much potential, if not more, according to poch himself back in jan. Great replacement for naughton.
Dublin Hotspur
king- I can't see Tom Carol making it!....good through balls and comfortable in possession...but not good enough off the ball for me.
shedboy2
Dublin, not sure Coentrao would sign for us, just won double with Real, will almost certainly win La Liga next year....if he wouldn't come and play for AVB, I don't see him coming now. Price for Shaw is high, but a few reasons I fancy him - we know he can cut it in the prem, you'd have a left back for the next 14 years (potentially) if we were to get him too. £30 mil is ott for me, they'll sell him for less than that, more like 20 imo, and at that price, for the reasons stated, I'd be all over him. Unfortunately for us, I think he's that good, that he doesn't need a stepping stone club to prove it, if he went to Chelsea, he's start, he's that good.
King26
I'm just waiting to see the first few transfer activity from WHL - to gauge which direction we are taking ....
Highgatespur
Lilywhitehart - Did you see much of Lamela before he came to Spurs? I personally haven't but I'm guessing by the huge interest still generated in him by the Italian giants that he must have been very good at some stage. I'd like to see more of him. I doubt he'll ever reach the heights of Bale but that doesn't mean he can't be a great addition to the team.
RyanHotSpur
Dublin Hotspur- that's the deal...Naughton is good imo but we could get some cash in, he wants 1st team time and have Chambers behind Walker...would he go for it? but that's the deal...
shedboy2
shed...LOL!...Did not stop me thinking of a certain LB did it. It bloody irks me, this LB is going to have so many admirers, we appear to need a LB, many Prem clubs are looking Shaw and Davies, we should be nipping in quick smart and trying to secure him IMO.

Many players state they wish to play in the prem, good wages, great league, the home of football etc, who's to say Rodriguez is not the same?, it was said Poch was looking at him in January as a potential Shaw replacement, problem being, he would have had Shaw money to replace him, £1.49 for Rose leaves us somewhat short(joke...£1.99).
Cider spurs
Lamela was mustard last year...would love to see more of him...he was forcing his passing for us early on...I didn't recognise the guy giving the ball away! (still a lot less than Andros every shot is a turnover Townsend) But I still saw enough of him to want him to stay...
shedboy2
King26 - I also mentioned Ward-Prowse. He had looked pretty impressive the few games I have seen him play and at his age still had plenty of potential. Don't think he'd cost a bomb either.

It's sort of a shame we're all here talking about poaching as many Southampton players as we see for but I guess it's credit to how well they done season gone and how highly rated their squad is.
RyanHotSpur
Ryanhotspur, Lamela did very well in Italy so his stock is still high over there. Unless we get a bid over £20m I cannot see us selling him. I would prefer him to stay and make a go of it with us as he has been injured most of last season. He has the potential and hopefully he can produce the goods with us.
Kong
Cider - we only don't appear to need a LB if you are blindfolded and sitting in a darkened room with ear plugs in!...a little steep using Rose's pre-sale price...;)
shedboy2
Shed -fair point, Perhaps a lot of the Carroll thing for me, is wanting to see him do well! I suppose the fact that there weren't many EPL clubs after him on loan should be enough of a gauge for me! Cider seems to be set on Rodriguez (LB, not Jay-Rod), so I'll have to have a bit of a look at him. Don't really like youtube vids as they can make anyone look good. In all honesty, 95% of my Rodriguez knowledge comes from Champo, the other 5% from Cider!!! If anyone else has much of a clue about him, I'd love to hear it. Decent goal & assist ratio combined with consitantly high wages suggest he's in the Walker mould - can bomb up & down all day? Better defensively I hope?!
King26
MAN ON we will need to change the whole team if poch felt players lacked speed and effort... I like Rodriguez,15 goals in the PL is a good return. Just shy of Dzeko and Giroud. Perhaps in a better team he would score more. That said Southampton had the most shots at goal barring City. It's friday and my head hurts already. Question is who is better from Lukaku, Bony, Dzeko, Rodriguez, Remy? All realistic targets playing in the PL imo baring Lukaku.
Mix26
Lilywhitehart- as you say Osvaldo is liked on the continent and he like it there...that's more money in Saints pocket...I think they need to make back about 28m but after that they could put all their player sales back into the kitty for a new man....get the right coach and they may come again!
shedboy2
King...Would you like me to put a good little article up offering an insight?. It was written back in December.
Cider spurs
Ryan - I wouldn't say I'm an expert on Lamela, but yes I was certainly very familiar with him before we snagged him and I was absolutely delighted (and incredibly surprised!!) when we did. I don't watch tons of Serie A, but I've had a keen interest in Roma since I spent some time in Rome about 11/12 years ago and kind of 'adopted' them as my European club. He obviously had a torrid first year on pretty much any level that can be gauged. But he ticks every box for me, and if Pochettino arriving means we can keep hold of him then for that I'm grateful. He has goals in him when deployed correctly. His brain can sometimes work quicker than his feet, but he is no shirker and regularly took foul after foul in Italy and shook it all off. Letting him go now for a paltry £20 million as has been mooted would be a massive mistake, and also poor business which even the most ardent Levy hater would concede isn't like him. This could be (and I hope it is) the time for Erik to show the rest of the Premier League why we went in balls-deep for him. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
It is said that the only slight on Rodriguez' performance could be concentration. At 21, I think this can be schooled.
Cider spurs
Southampton finished 8th last year - with a stable boss and no shenanigans at management levels .... Well ? At this rate should we have gone for all the drama around the new boss' appointment ?
Highgatespur
So I'm assuming people are looking forward to a 4-3-3 with Lamela being part of it. Who do you look towards for the other spots. Would Erikson and Sandro still have a part to play in that sort of formation?
RyanHotSpur
LilyWhiteHart I would be devastated to lose him now. We must definitely not sell and certainly not at a ridiculous loss! I suspect we will hear MP stating he wants Lamela to feature for us this season coming.
Mix26
The last I heard was Lamela wanted to stay, he wants to show all and sundry what he can do, and his brother backed this up. Of course, I will remember to take all media talk with a pinch of salt, trying my hardest not to just use the positive for the good of the club as opposed to just dismissing the negative. Lamela is some talent, we could almost say our first new signing of the window, a record one at that. Nice!.
Cider spurs
Cider - absolutely. Boss is out today, so I have plenty of time to fill by reading articles on potential signings! cheers pal
King26
Ryan I feel Erikson needs to be our key man so it's obvious we require him. Coming off the left he was strong and this was the same role Davies played for Southampton. Sandro will need to take his game further and develop his passing range, I hope MP can push him there the most.
Mix26
Ryan...I think more of a 4-2-3-1. Currently Ade as the CF, Eriksen, Lamela and another (Chadli or Holtby) as the 3 behind. 2 of the 3 playing as inside forwards Left and Right a touch behind Ade, with AM central. 2 CMs in a double pivot, Capoue/Sandro paired with either Paulinho or Dembele. Some games as required maybe both of Sandro and Capoue, this actually my preferred pairing, I think it offers everything.

Fullbacks to offer the width, so crossing really needs to be worked on here. Of course, some players may come and go, but this is the way we'll be set up once more I feel. Difference being, Poch supposedly allows the final 3rd players to move around the field as seems suitable in game, something i was hoping to see this season gone, quick interchangable football in the final 3rd, maybe under Poch this will come to fruition, no more of the players standing on the spot watching another drive forward on his own, instead pass and move, 1-2s, little through balls, here's hoping.
Cider spurs
Ryan - I am both expecting, and looking forward to a 4-3-3 next term. I also fully expect Sandro to be part of that 3, I think he's a typical (from what I've seen) Pochettino. That what i've seen bit refers to MoPo, not the beast! I've said before I don't think he's the most gifted of footballers, but he's committed, hard working, determined....you get them impression he'd run through walls for the team, it's just his nature. Of the players we already have, I think a 4-3-3 with a front 6 of Capoue, Sandro, Paulinho, Eriksen, Lamela, Adebayor, could work very well. However, I expect at least one new signing to be in there, possibly Adebayor will be off? Personally, I'd like to see a bit more of Holtby playing for us too in certain games. I would slot him in the deeper 3 alongside 2 of the bigger guys, as I think his work rate and passing ability would be useful
King26
Ryan - I am both expecting, and looking forward to a 4-3-3 next term. I also fully expect Sandro to be part of that 3, I think he's a typical (from what I've seen) Pochettino. That what i've seen bit refers to MoPo, not the beast! I've said before I don't think he's the most gifted of footballers, but he's committed, hard working, determined....you get them impression he'd run through walls for the team, it's just his nature. Of the players we already have, I think a 4-3-3 with a front 6 of Capoue, Sandro, Paulinho, Eriksen, Lamela, Adebayor, could work very well. However, I expect at least one new signing to be in there, possibly Adebayor will be off? Personally, I'd like to see a bit more of Holtby playing for us too in certain games. I would slot him in the deeper 3 alongside 2 of the bigger guys, as I think his work rate and passing ability would be useful
King26
Delish that Cider! I too would love to see Cap and Beast together! Not much would get through that wall!
Mix26
King...Here you go mate, this was written 4th December 2013, he finished the season playing every Bundesliga game, registering 5 goals and 9 assists.

http://www.whoscored.com/Articles/cvhoszghausrvyrfvfbp6q/Show/Player-Focus-Ricardo-Rodriguez-Emerging-as-Europes-Best-Left-Back
Cider spurs
Bleacher Report Yesterday:

Keep an eye on Ricardo Rodriguez this summer at the 2014 FIFA World Cup.

He'll be playing left-back for Switzerland in Ottmar Hitzfeld's high-press, high-energy system; opposite Stephan Lichtsteiner he's an extreme force going forward.

With five goals and nine assists last season for Wolfsburg, per WhoScored.com, he'll be hot property, and he's only 21 years of age.

High line and pressing, great crosser, scores also, 21, absolute no brainer to me. Please!.
Cider spurs
I think lallana coming in off his wing would link superbly with erricksen and i don't see it as either or. On one side u have a more traditional flyer to stretch play in Townsend or Lennon, erricksen and lallana could interchange beautifully Imo and hes a massive upgrade on chadli and siggy especially. Key thing for me and one of the more intriguing things poch will do, is what kind of faith does he have in lamella and does he have a long term future. Granted he generally plays right side but ideally u need someone to stretch the field. Shaw is a no brainer but not at 27m for me, that's crazy unless u have a Russian or rich arab with bottomless pockets.
gatch75
Bundles of talented players but I'm not sure any one formation can accommodate them all. Seems like you can't really play Dembele Sandro paulinho and Erikson in the same starting lineup without shifting one out of position. Think signing one or two wingers this season would help.
RyanHotSpur
One point I wish to make clear. If we end up with Fredy Guarin as part of a swap deal with Lamela, I will be pi$$ed off beyond belief. I've seen nothing of Guarin to suggest he is anywhere near better than what we already have, if anything every time I've witnessed him play he has been petulant, dirty and provided nothing other than numerous free kicks for the oppo. No thank you, Chelsea player.
Cider spurs
cider- i thought guarin was brilliant.no
tarkan mardinCOYS
WHLN...Deal!...Hernandez is a crap LB. ;-)
Cider spurs
Cider/lilywhitehart - you seem like men of the world, have you seen much of destro?
RyanHotSpur
gatch - I agree you can get lallana and eriksen in together but to put Lennon or Townsend on the other side breaks it down...lennon is more orthodox wide right and Andros is as much use as a chocolate tea pot over there....Lamela is the man for that system.....Lallana, eriksen and Lamela buzzing behind a player like Ade...that would work...
shedboy2
Cider - cheers for that mate, would appear he's a player that ticks all our boxes. Young, fast, and good at both ends of the pitch. Like I say, knew very little about him so is nice to get a read up on him. If the price is right, then he looks like he could be a good option. Will definitely be keeping an eye on him throughout the WC
King26
tarkan...Must of missed that, I can honestly say that every time I've seen him play Guarin has not looked all that, don't get the hype.
Cider spurs
Ryan...In a word no. Sorry!.
Cider spurs
I'm with Cider, don't get the fuss on Guarin. When I've seen him, he's blown hot and cold for me. On his day, brilliant, off his game, like a man down. He also signed a new deal in March of this year, so I think any talk of us or anyone signing him is paper talk only.
King26
Shedboy lammela erricksen lallana gives the same issue we had last yr with inverted wingers. Zero threat outside. IM not against I wingers but you have to have the threat if u show them outside they have the pace to take it even if on their wrong foot. Ribery robben being the best examples. Just look at the weigh defenders offered siggy outside on his left and he proceeded to win the odd corner. (not the best example granted) Imo you just need someone to stretch the field and have defenses drop off fearing pace. Lallana, lamella erricksen with one from Ade, sold doesn't have enough. Townsend has the pace to go outside hes just effing greedy at times.
gatch75
some people are saying wanyama is quite advanced,
tarkan mardinCOYS
shed...Spot on. IMO we will be playing with 3 behind a striker, all 3 supposedly adding to the goal tally, and I'd suggest able to perform on either flank to switch between orthodox and inverted styles. Lennon will not be good enough for this IMO, Townsend, two footed, he may work well and would fit, I'll say he has a part to play.

Anyway, choice would be the 3 you mention or variant of it, Chadli could do well, he's no winger, but better central, inside forward could be right up his street. Konoplyanka or Tadic could be great as an alternative to Lallana, but have to agree, it is this style of player, all 3 of them that have to be in behind the striker.

This is why I believe we wil set up 4-2-3-1, the double pivot allowing for the attacking element to concentrate solely on attack when in possession, they are supposed to be allowed to move as they deem fit, quick interchangeable passing with player movement aplenty off the ball.
Cider spurs
lets try to hijack rickie lambert
tarkan mardinCOYS
Hopefully I shall return...Time to vacuum the stairs and all associated tasks. Right!...How does this cleaner work?. LOL!.
Cider spurs
Lallana to me is simply a "winner". He has the right attitude. He was Caption of Southampton in early twenties, homegrown and gets plenty of assists & goals. He takes corners & free kicks, and is comfortable of left wing, and central / attacking areas. Possibly we are a bit congested in these areas, but I would welcome him coming. Shaw depends on price, but at 18/19, he is more experienced in EPL than Andros Townsend is at 22/23. Shaw will only get better. Rodriguez is a tricky one. He had a good season, but it is just one season. James Beattie managed one good season for Southampton and never did it again.... For me: Lallana: Yes if he is willing, and one of our attackers decides to leave. Shaw: Yes if the price is sane. Rodriguez - yes if MoPo wants to take a punt AND the price is very reasonable.
TonyRich
Guarín for Lamela? only if they throw in 30m!....silly season is here...
shedboy2
rodrigues of southampton i would not get,he isnt very skillfull and has pace issues
tarkan mardinCOYS
We do not need Wanyama and I don't want him anyway. Lets get in what we need not what we already have.
Kong
Tarkan, has Rickie Lambert got pace?
Kong
Ryan - Destro is, in short, an excellent player and at that perfect age of 23/24 where he's flourishing but still has potential for growth. However he is, for my own part, not what we need unless we see an exodus of current players or unless we are going to operate very differently formation/tactic-wise than I assume under Pochettino. He does fit into the top 3 of a 4-3-3, but isn't really a focal point/hold-up player. You get the best out of him (to my eyes anyway) when he's not the centre forward. He seems to score more, and have a better goal threat when not operating alone. If we could throw one of Chadli/Siggy/Lennon at Roma plus anything less than £10 million, or suggest a cheeky straight swap for Soldado then he'd be a good acquisition. Or to sum it up, if we are to see in the new season without both Ade and Soldado, then we would need Destro and at least one more striker. I'd definitely welcome him, but we need to address other areas and positions before we look up top. Again though, these are merely my opinions. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
kong-Lambert brings a lot to the table and gives the bindippers an option they didnt have,to my surprise he is quite technical-i would have gone for lambert if ade was leaving
tarkan mardinCOYS
So as it stands:

Lloris
Rose, Vertonghen, Kaboul, Walker
Paulinho, Sandro, Dembele
Erikson, Adebayor, Lamela

Fans hopeful team:

Lloris
Rodriguez, Vertonghen, Kaboul, Walker
Paulinho, Sandro, Lallana
Erikson, Rodriguez, Lamela

Seems reasonable. Players like Capoue, Adebayor and Dembele make a strong bench. Think we'd do well to add some strength to CB and another ST
RyanHotSpur
LilyWhiteHart, you say that "It's taken for granted in that a manger switching clubs will be keen to make the leap accompanied by players who he knows, likes, and trusts from his former club." I disagree. It does happen now and again, but it is more trumpeted in the media as a possibility, or rather a series of possibilities in lots of individual very short articles ideal for filling all that media space there is to fill, than it is a likelihood. I can think of examples was well as can you, but I think it's more like one of the over-used soap opera story lines than anything else. Hard news so far this week is that Pochettino has been appointed at Spurs, and that is quite enough good news to be going on with for now.
Airwave
gatch - townsend has pace...that's it! he'd be first out the door for me...yes they would be inverted but in that system the fullbacks provide the width (so a new LB is a must!) also I used the term buzzing as they would and could interchange...all 3 are a very real goal threat (unlike Lennon or Andros)...and they need to be playing off an Ade type a player with physical presence who can hold the ball and win things in the air...we had problems early season with inverted wingers because Andros is poor, Gylfi isn't a winger, we didn't have a LB and Soldado doesn't have the physical presence needed to offset the physique of the others used...
shedboy2
Tarkan, not sure Jay Rod is slow? I've always thought him to be pretty quick. With ball at feet, not as quick as some, but if he's chasing a through ball then the kids got burners
King26
Wanyama- would be like Moyes signing Fellani...not a smart move...good player we have Capoue and Sandro....move on.
shedboy2
lovren would be a good signing and one thats really needed.lets deal with high priority signings like the defence
tarkan mardinCOYS
Airwave - Point taken mate. It isn't a hard and fast rule that new managers invariably cherry-pick their previous clubs, but it does happen. And as you said the media do have a habit of sinking into lazy journalism by making all too obvious assumptions. I just thought it would be interesting to see what we as Spurs opinions where if some of the rumours gathered pace and proved to have some substance. I hope I didn't come across in the article as welcoming a mass influx of Saints players, because I honestly don't. So if I worded my article a little clumsily (it's probable, I do tend to prattle on a bit and there was a lot of trimming necessary to get it under the maximum 4000 characters!!) I'll clarify my position. Currently, and at the prices being mooted, I would only make concrete offers for Jay Rodriguez and possibly Callum Chambers. For me, both Lallana and Shaw are over-priced and have their eyes/hearts elsewhere anyway. I'd also take Lovren, but he is another who I believe would have an unrealistic asking price. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
shedboy2 - agree with much of that. Andros was overly hyped, and AVB bought into it. For someone with a decent shot, Andros has a shockingly bad goal threat. At least Lennon has an excuse with his pea-shooter. I would not push Andros through the door yet. Perhaps Poch can give him some focus, or loan him out for a season to find focus. Andros still can be a useful "random factor", and he cost us nothing. The problem with inverted wingers is that you need tip-top wingers to do it. People made fun of "headless chicken" wingers, but what they are trying to do is very difficult - to run at pace on the ball with defenders' studs coming at you, and still needing to provide an accurate cross or powerful shot. Not many can do that on their natural wing, let alone the "wrong" one. The bad decision as you say is when you try to play inverted wingers with Siggy (who ain't a winger), Lennon (who had a stuttering season anyway, low on confidence, and is not known for accurate cross nor powerful shooting), or Townsend (nothing substantial, but good for the "showboat" segment on Soccer AM). AVB made those howlers, and made it worse by seeming to restrict crossing to a minimum anyway!
TonyRich
The forward we still need is the one we didn't get last year...the bony, Benteke type...Ade is an enigma if he stays or goes I think I'd check in on Benteke's injury before Jay-rods....the way the market is he might even be cheaper....
shedboy2
knowing our luck we shall end up with jack cork and steven davis.lol
tarkan mardinCOYS
TR -AVB's long gone yes he made mistakes...playing Andros being one but he had injuries and after playing a homegrown that got the 'hopeful' out of their seats with direct running he was damned if he did damned if he didn't play and Andros....the amount of people that would moan about us not scoring and then pick andros in 'their' line up was farcical...still water under the bridge the inverted winger system works, you just have to have the right players playing it....
shedboy2
http://www.london24.com/sport/football/clubs/arsenal/arsenal_target_di_maria_aims_dig_at_tottenham_and_reveals_he_could_leave_madrid_1_3621998
tarkan mardinCOYS
Shed - I was screaming for Bony this time last year, and was gutted when we missed the boat at the time. We'd now be looking at paying at least double what we would have then, but he'd still actually be my first choice regardless of the proposed departures of Ade and/or Soldado. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
Reflecting on last year’s transfer rumours, Di Maria told Marca: “It hurts when you’re always doing your best for your club and then you hear that you might be going to Tottenham.
tarkan mardinCOYS
what a little sheit;
tarkan mardinCOYS
Chiriches agent is talking up a move to Italy saying that it is better to play Italian football rather than English as he can adapt more easily.
Kong
anton townsend needs to get back to his early form.he is still young enough to do that.he will come good again
tarkan mardinCOYS
Bafetimbi Gomis, on a free, might be worth a look. 12 caps for France, big, strong similar type to Lukaku/Bony. Not prolific stats, but capable of scoring.
vicspur
Bony is a good shout. The guy has something. Plus he has that snap shot from distance which we haven't had for a while from a striker. EPL experienced - which is VERY important for us now.
TonyRich
Vicspur - rumours are Gomis is after 100k per week! Not sure I'd want to pay him half that amount! If we could get 3-4 goal scoring midfielders, then I wouldn't mind a 10 goal a season striker, but as we don't have said midfielders, we need a 20+ man up top! where the heck we find a 20+ goal a season striker, I have no idea!!! My number 1 target would be Lukaku, but we won't get him. Just watch him fly at the WC though! Bony, Benteke, would be happy with, but will both be a large sum. Another one I'd really like but we'd never get is Dzeko. I can see some clubs moving for Charlie Austin this time next year, little too old to be considered 'young', but he scores goals, I can see him getting a few in the prem. Not saying I'd want to bid for him now, and certainly wouldn't be happy if he was the only striker we signed, just touting that I expect him to have a good season. He's a clever player
King26
Gomis would be a good player for a Newcastle/Stoke/possibly even a Southampton. But he certainly isn't prolific enough, or all-round good enough for a top-six club with aspirations for higher. And at 28/29, he isn't going to change or improve dramatically. Sorry Vic, got to disagree with you on that one mate. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
WHLN17london - if Townsend was a constant threat, he would a) play more, b) score (deliberately), c) get at least one assist, d) be in with a chance of being in world cup squad. Perhaps harsh, but there are threats and there are THREATS. To me, he merely threatens to threaten. He would be more of a threat if he starts setting up chances, and actually scores. At the mo, the defenders leave him to run into trouble, or wait until he tries to shoot with 3 players in his way. Some of this will come with age, focus and experience. But I am not confident that he will make it at Spurs.
TonyRich
Gomis has done feck all to command a £100 thousand a week wage,up yours
tarkan mardinCOYS
Between Morata, Remy, Lukaku, Benteke, Rodriguez, Destro and Batshuayi I think we've been linked with enough talented forwards recently. Any two of the above sounds fine to me.
RyanHotSpur
Also, unfortunately I'm not really a huge fan of Harry Kane. It slightly worries me that Pochettino rates him quite highly.
RyanHotSpur
On the Townsend front, I admit to being firmly on the fence. In my opinion, his best two games last year were for England rather than for us. But I'd be loathe to see him leave, especially to a bunch of chancers like QPR. Frustratingly, he has a lot of qualities that could propel him to being a major player. He has raw attributes that come naturally and simply can't be taught. But he lacks the discipline, focus, and decision making skills to fully reach his potential. Indeed, it could be argued that his lack of consistent impact last year was as much due to poor coaching as it was down to his injuries. It could well be that a new coaching team and regime will unlock the player I think most of us suspect is buried in there somewhere. So for that and many other reasons there are certainly players I would prefer to see the back of before Andros. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
WHLN17London - It's certainly been confirmed that Pochettino wanted Kane in January. So one would assume he's not unfamiliar with what the kid can do. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
pochettino tried to sign kane-his a good judge
tarkan mardinCOYS
Andros was not the problem. Our entire front line was. Did our goal threats increase without him, after his first injury? People tend to ignore my questions, so I'll answer it myself. No.... We did start scoring when Ade was introduced but our chances decreased. We had endless opportunities earlier in the season, chance after chance, but Soldado and others couldn't put them away. Soldado, a centre forward, was unable to score but, praised by many for his effort. (Myself included). Andros a much younger and less experienced WINGER, is criticised for his huge effort. Why? I don't know.
MAN ON!
LilyWhiteHart. Thanks for the article. Sorry for going off the subject there.
MAN ON!
Kane is ideal for a 433, I think.
MAN ON!
i must have been writing it as Lily.... was writing that.
MAN ON!
My money is on Levy not spending a penny on strikers, it will be down to MP to get Soldado, Ade and Kane hitting the target. Money I think will be spent at the back, it certainly needs to be IMO.
Thats Entertainment
LilyWhiteHart. Re; Andros, I agree.
MAN ON!
I think we all do the ‘hindsight‘ thing. We have to because nobody can really know how a manager or a player will work out until they have had a chance to show how good they are. How good would it be if we could all be sure of foresight. We’d never get it wrong!
Geofspurs
I don't think Soldado fits the bill. As much as I like him, I can't see him working in a Pochettino style set-up. We need a very mobile and strong target man up there.
MAN ON!
Hey no probelm Man on!! Every article on here shoots off on various tangents, and all the better for it really. If nothing else it proves that we are a passionate and often quite knowledgeable bunch with regards to our beloved Spurs. And WHLN17, I remain unconvinced on Kane as well. But he's another I wouldn't necessarily dismiss out of hand. Before the last two months of last season I'd have been pretty casual if he'd have been shown the door. And while a few good games isn't exactly an indication of future greatness, there were enough signs there to make me eat a fair slice of humble pie and admit I may have been doing the lad a bit of a disservice. Don't get me wrong, I'd be seriously dubious if we were to enter a new season with Harry Kane as high on the roster as being our second choice striker. But I think we could possibly do a lot worse than keeping him on and seeing how he fairs in cup competitions and rotating/playing him as a 3rd choice back-up. Interesting times ahead!! Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
Di Maria Interview with Marca, Quote, "Sometimes you think a lot and it hurts you when you are trying to always do your best for a club and then it comes out that you might be going to Tottenham.'" Lol..
Birdz
I think a striker is the least of our problems. With the squad we have, I think a LB and a CB would do nicely for a start. Review it in January when MP knows exactly what he’s got and what he needs.
Geofspurs
Geofspurs. I agree with that.
MAN ON!
LilyWhiteHart. Interesting indeed. I too was on the fence about Kane but, if Pochettino is keen on him already, then it could bode well for Harry.
MAN ON!
get lost Birdz
tarkan mardinCOYS
We have enough squad players and players with potential, it is clear we only need proven quality players, those at or near the top of their game. Shaw sounds like the best pick.
T.H.F.Chris
WHL - if you believe what you read in the papers. I wouldn't swear by anything but I like to believe there is some truth behind what the tabloids say.

Re Townsend, I think he has had glimpses of greatness but has failed to get any sort of consistency to his game. He is great on the ball, undoubtedly, with a great turn of pace, but it is true his final ball is awful more often than not. If he could work on that end product he'd be a great asset but the same could be said for Lennon. I'm also in agreement that there are several other spurs players that should be in the firing line well before Townsend.
RyanHotSpur
I think the Di Maria quote has been mis translated... We were the only club rumoured to sign him at the time and he was upset be rumoured with a move away from Real, not because it was Spurs... Terrible Media twist as usual
RyanHotSpur
http://www.dearmrlevy.com/dml/2014/5/30/di-maria-it-hurts-to-be-misquoted
RyanHotSpur
http://www.dearmrlevy.com/dml/2014/5/30/di-maria-it-hurts-to-be-misquoted
RyanHotSpur
I’d like to see what MP is going to do with Soldado. I also have a feeling that Ade and Kane could form an interesting partnership. Mind you ... I’ve had feelings before!
Geofspurs
The Di Maria quote was in direct response to him repeatedly being offered to us as a makeweight in the deal for Bale going in the opposite direction. There are three things to take into consideration when reading it. 1. We never entertained any notion of a player-plus-cash deal, including Di Maria or anyone else. 2. If I were Di Maria, I would've been pi$$ed off too. He was coming off the back of a great season, and was being hawked to us and several other clubs regardless. And 3. The above poster, with the chick-magnet name of 'Birdz', is an insignificant buffoon!! Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
I'd quite like to see Soldado and either Kane / Adebayor sold on. I'm not massively attached and I'm pretty sure we can buy improvements with the generated cash and have change!
RyanHotSpur
But wait! There's more! I also think that both Townsend and Lennon could greatly improve their games with the right coaching. Both players seem unable to pick the best team option when they have the ball ... when to pass, when to shoot, when to stay wide, when to come inside, and when to defend. Sort that lot out and they could both prove useful.
Geofspurs
it looks as though its a 2 horse race between koeman and murat yakin for the southampton vacancy.interesting
tarkan mardinCOYS
Off topic - probably the best signing for Spurs - Wenger three more years !!!! Yay!!
Highgatespur
As RyanHotspur mentioned, it is more that they are English than a question of value for money. Wasn't Shaw's price 15M or more last season? Now 25-30M. Ridiculous. Umtiti, Jedvaj would not cost half that together. There are lots of good young players out there and supposedly have the best coach in the world for developing great young English talent. Walker, Fryers, Hall, Fredericks, Naughton, Pritchard, Carroll, Livermore - not English enough? I would not change anything before January unless the offers that come in are for players who just don't want to stay and we get our valuation. I thought this was why people said Pochettino made sense. Now I get the impression that he only makes sense with all of his staff and his players. Where did Southampton finish last year? How'd they do in the cups?

Only Shaw is an upgrade and at 27M or more and double what Rose and Fryers make in salary together, does it seem realistic? I don't think so. The only one in their lineup that excites me is Ward-Prowse, but I's suggest developing Townsend, Fredericks and Pritchard could yield far better returns for less. COYS
peterballb
High, Why is Wenger staying at Arsenal a cause for celebration? He seems to have done quite well there.
MAN ON!
peterballb. Agreed..
MAN ON!
Man On! One trophy in 9 years with all their resources ?! Nah !!!!
Highgatespur
Peterballb - read my comment further up the conversation yet?
Highgatespur
Hey spuddies, you can sweet coat it all you like, but Arsenal, United, Spuds, Psg, City etc were all being linked to him. So why did he choose to mention Spuds instead of United, Arsenal, City, etc? He could have just said it hurt being linked to other clubs, but he singled out Spuds because he felt disrespected and devalued to be linked to a club that deludes it's about being massive even if it has not got the stats to back it, bigger than Sunderland, Everton, Villa?, even some Championship and league one clubs have won more titles than this mighty spuds.. ;-). the stats back me up...hehehe
Birdz
Who should have replaced him? TS? I don't mean Teddy Sheringham! All in all, just getting CL every year is a pretty good record is it not? (Forgetting the titles).
MAN ON!
@Highgate... Lol.. Wenger staying at Arsenal is good news to maybe the likes of United, Chelsea, City, Liverpool, but for Spuds? Deluded bunch you lot are... As long as Wenger is still Arsenal manager you lot will never surpass Arsenal in any thing.. And from next season I know we will be back challenging properly for that title.... Can the same be said about the might spuds? Or you will be fighting to get back into your 5th place.. Missed out on your 5th place last season... ;-).. Gooners are deluded but you guys out do us, for real... :-)
Birdz
We've just employed a guy who nobody had any care about, just over a year ago. Think I would have preferred Wenger. I'm sure they would too.
MAN ON!
MP... Blue and White Army! MP........
MAN ON!
Who cares ZZZZZZZZZZ!
MAN ON!
I thought that if Wenger left they would have gone for FDB so in a way glad Wenger has not left and is staying on as didn't want FDB going there if we didn't have him.
Kong
Why are you on here Birdz - says it all - Bang !!!! all the birds scatter!!!!
Highgatespur
17 years of entering of now ins is not a success in my books - apologies if it is yours Man On!
Highgatespur
Man On! No one would be foolish enough to do what spurs did....
Highgatespur
I have to admit, the Gooners did pretty good this season gone and, with most of their better players missing for the best part of it. Don't underestimate them possibly doing even better next season.
MAN ON!
A lot more successful than the vast majority of other clubs, including Spurs. Don't be blinded by it because of who they are. Up the SPURS!
MAN ON!
Oh dear Man On! anything to disagree ....
Highgatespur
To be honest, I don't give a monkeys elbow about AW and co....
MAN ON!
I disagree because I disagree. There you go, digging again. Sorry!
MAN ON!
O I wonder what success we The spurs would have had if that scandalous waste of 5 months didn't take place....
Highgatespur
Why are you getting angry? Chill out baby!
MAN ON!
You do confuse me man. You really do. Just change the subject, if you don't like this one. Simple.
MAN ON!
who's getting angry ? dear?
Highgatespur
Exactly Man On, who cares about AW, lets concentrate on SPURS.
Kong
I think Shaw is far to expensive for an 18 year old. What do you think?
MAN ON!
*Too* expensive..
MAN ON!
Who me ? Not even worth the conversation.... 18 year old - anything could happen .... not a vote of confidence to the development of our own youth.... ridiculous!
Highgatespur
Lallana I like but do we really need him? I don't think so myself....
MAN ON!
Just think we'd be ok with Rodrigues (LB) Alderweirder (CB) and Kono (LW) - Lallana = although good could be duplicating the wonders of Eriksen!!
RM in trouble - Saurez blocked ?
Highgatespur
MoPo wasn't my first choice but he has in his short tenure had his teams (albeit only 2) playing attractive football. I've missed that at spurs since Harry left. I think he'll be a breath of fresh air to Spurs even if we don't hit those heights we all dream of.
RyanHotSpur
Then again, he's got to be better than Rose. I would take the punt. Sell Soldado and reinvest it in the future of English left-backs as opposed to a past it, Spanish centre forward... Easy. I could manage a PL club, no problem... ;-)
MAN ON!
RM - part closure of heir stadium because of racism ..... Saurez move still on....
Highgatespur
RyanHotSpur. My joking aside, I think so too..
MAN ON!
RyanHotSpur - might not be en vogue atm but I want trophies more than being pleasing to the eye ....
Highgatespur
Highgate - Me too but I think it needs to start somewhere. Until we can start stringing a few decent passes together and moving the ball forward into threatening areas I don't see us winning much. Only Chelsea seem to have that degree of luck by winning titles playing awful football.
RyanHotSpur
It does not really matter who we sign, we are a stepping stone for players who will want to join the top clubs. Until that changes, even signing players like Shaw and Lukaku, if we don't start winning trophies and competing in the CL, they will leave after 2-3 seasons max.
vicspur
RyanHotSpur, really don't want to celebrate losing games but playing great football .... so it does mean shutting up shop when winning with 10-15 minutes to go!!! We have to win some trophies soon.... otherwise we are in danger of becoming an ''aaaaaah" club!
Highgatespur
WHL - fully agree. Our strike force simply isn't good enough, and it's only Erikson firing in goals from the midfield. We need goalscorers
RyanHotSpur
WHLN17london glad you agree it was total nonsense diabolical thinking to put in the management for the past five months of the season....
Highgatespur
WHLN17london. G'day. If I may, I'll disagree with you. I think Kane does have the potential to do well at Spurs and I think MP will give him the chance. I hope he does.
MAN ON!
Agree, we have to win something very soon I would say pdq!!!
Highgatespur
Both Ade and Kane were scoring goals. May be AVB should have been bolder and dropped Soldado sooner.
MAN ON!
Amazes me how quick we build up homegrown talent and how quick we are to discard them Townsend frustrates, of course he does but noboddy can say there isnt the makings of a player who with right coaching can improve considerably. Carroll was the next Modric in many eyes last year but hes struggled in League 1 and has succumbed to the boo boys at times. Thats not to say he wont be a good player. The only thing I can assume is that people take to certain characters and not others. Carroll & Holtby have that likable character that you want to see do well & to some extent it clouds judgment. Bentalab imo will be far better player but to many hes just seen as Sherwoods love child. Townsend has pace stamina, decent technical ability off either foot and superb character. His great self belief at times is a hindrance because he is just to greedy and his decision making suffers, no question. But I dont understand why you ship out homegrown talent like that when a squad isnt just made up of 25 £10m + signings. Townsend, Kane, Rose may not make the first 11, hopefully they dont because it means the likes of Lamella aren't a complete bust but they are ideal squad members who you know wont give you a moments bother, will give 100% and IMO will all improve massively under Poch.
gatch75
gatch75.. I completely agree with you.
MAN ON!
you've lost me there gatch75
Highgatespur
Highgate - obvious you want to win, everyone wants to win, but I'm less upset when we lose playing well by 1 goal than getting hammered playing dyer by 5....

Man On - please don't tell me you think Kane and add are goal scoters. We must be watching different players.
RyanHotSpur
Highgate Id say over 80% of fans would ship out Townsend, Rose and Kane 2mrw. Simply pointing out the fact they are important squad players and will improve with good coaching. A squad should always have a handful of local talent imo. Some people just never took to Townsend you just have to read back on here over the last few years, whereas others like Carroll and Holtby who imo are lesser players seem to be real fan favorites. Is it because they are better players??? Im not convinved
gatch75
RyanHotSpur. Were they Crouch and Keano in disguise? ;-)
MAN ON!
And it was more in relation to a previous discussion where Shedboy said he would ship out Townsend 1st
gatch75
gatch75.. Agreed. I got slated on here for criticising Holtby for playing crap, when he was, guess what? Playing crap.
MAN ON!
WHLN, It's just my gut feeling with Kane as much as anything but he's young and a trier and that's what I like to see. Better than being older, experienced but not bothering.
MAN ON!
I think Kane will be happy to be part of the squad and be in contention to start games. He did well for when he played and he could play the EL games as well as any league games Pochettino starts him in.
Kong
If Im honest I Cant see Kane being anything other than at best 3rd or 4th choice for a team like us. Key Point is however thats good enough because thats exactly what we want him for at least for the time being. If they excel then jackpot but being a solid squad player isnt a bad thing. You want him To be called on when hes required and when injuries dictate. To work his nuts off, create a good dressing atmosphere, not kick off and sulk if not selected and to be proud & love playing for Spurs. (Low wages help 2) There is no point nor is it sustainable to pay millions for squad players and on massive wages past your first 15 or so players. Bentalab, Rose, Kane, Townsend all ideal squad players for next season with good upside.
gatch75
gatch75, after watching Rose before his full debut - I have yet to be convinced that the guy can shoot or cross or defend or attack - to me he's a great liability. He used to be a child prodigy bought in from leeds and I think that he thinks that Spurs owes him a living... time to move on for him imo. As for A, the worst thing that happened to him was the England call up - pretty bad season all told ... look forward to great improvement next year, Holtby I haven't seen much of him but am impressed by his attitude and his fight; As for Carroll - wrong move to QPR should've chosen Ajax... can't decide but he may be too little but not a reason to discard.... I would like AT, LH and TC all to stay at the club instead of being loaned out as for DR - time for pastures new. Critical season for AT and TC coming up I feel.
Highgatespur
Kong agree with you re Kane - not the England saviour yet.
Highgatespur
Man On they may as well be. Berbatov was the only goal machine up front I remember for the last decade.
RyanHotSpur
Aren't you forgetting JD, RyanHotSpur???!!! LOL
Highgatespur
I like Holtby too but a good attitude means nowt when you're giving the ball away. I saw him play 2 dreadful matches for Spurs and people chose to ignore the fact, why? Because they like him. The same people that criticise Dawson all the time whilst qualifying it with... Oh but he has a great attitude.... I don't understand that kind of favouritism. Dawson? 9 years at Spurs. Holtby? 5 minutes!
MAN ON!
I would LOVE any one of Shaw, Lallana, Rodriguez. If we could somehow get all three I would blow my mind. Chambers is one I really like as well. Ward Prowse I really admire. Love how he's studied every free kick Becks has ever taken even the bad ones so he can improve. Only hint is if we sign him we might as well say bye to some of our own young English talent like Carroll and Pritchard which I don't want to do. Loren an Schneuderlin I also really like but I think we can do better if I'm honest
BrooksySpurs
Man On! I know you are joking re Dawson and Holtby ?!!! surely, as John McEnroe, said you can't be serious!!!
Highgatespur
RyanHotSpu...rWell Kane can hardly be considered a goal machine, after how many games but, it was his, Ades and Eriksens goals that managed to get us into the EL. We were not scoring many at all, before they were firing home. I'll give them their due, for that much.
MAN ON!
No High, I wasn't joking.
MAN ON!
It was right for Holtby to go on loan and get some games, hopefully that has given him the push to make it with us but still not sure if he will have a future with us.
Kong
Man on - if Kane can't be a goal machine during his loan spells in lower leagues e definitely won't be one in the prem.

Highgate - in short, no. Lol
RyanHotSpur
Seriously, Man On!? you comparing a man of 9 years experience with us, with another with barely a year ? Hmmmm, each one to his own!
Highgatespur
Holtby is much of a muchness lol
RyanHotSpur
Dawson deserves our gratitude for his services to Spurs but, no he's mocked for not being a Bobby Moore. Holtby was not playing well but, when he was loaned out, people were getting all wound up about it, as though he had been showing himself as the new Hoddle.
MAN ON!
Highgatespur. Please read my posts more carefully. There is nothing to be seen between the lines....
MAN ON!
RyanHotSpur. How old is Kane? It's the goals for Spurs that count for me.... Did he play badly in those first few PL matches of his career?
MAN ON!
WHLN17london..I agree. Benteke would be my choice.....
MAN ON!
Ade has 40 goals in 96 appearances for Spurs. Is that good or bad? I'm no expert.
MAN ON!
When is Benteke likely to back to train or will he miss the start of the season?
Kong
Kane has only played 11 and scored 4... 3 in 7 PL matches.
MAN ON!
That is good Man On considering he scored about 5 goals the season with AVB and didn't play till December last season.
Kong
Can't we have all three, Benteke, Bony and Lukaku, nice.
Kong
Tony Parks has left the club.
Kong
A couple of assists too, I think.
MAN ON!
Cheers Parks. I know that MP has brought his goalkeeping coach with him. All change at WHL.
MAN ON!
Kong.. You wouldn't mess with those 3 guys....
MAN ON!
Exactly Man On, what a strong strike force. Having all 3 is me being greedy, will be happy with one.
Kong
Kong.. I'd forgotten that he was injured...
MAN ON!
See you. I'm off to. Not with WHL.....
MAN ON!
I might as well go too.
Kong
Man On! I thought we always read carefully to the posts thus our huge huge volume of response. My questions was regarding yu comparing Dawson and Holtby. The fans/supporters - both virtual and in reality - have never been rude to Dawson... although I'm he has reached a plateau with his form over the last 3-4 years. He could have been slaughtered after the portsmouth game yet came back with a monster game v Citeh but his never ending cross frield passes are a source of embarrassment ... why does he attempt those ? No one has really been rude to his efforts in fact imo he has been treated with much deference over the years.
As for wanting riticism for Holby after two bad games is completely against you seemingly want for others to do for Dawson!! I am hoping Holby would flourish now after the silly decision made to loan him out... not many have a good to their Spurs career - like a CH back in 2005!
Highgatespur
Man On!. Please read my posts more carefully. There is nothing to be seen between the lines...
Highgatespur
Kong, I reckon, with our history in mind, all players nursing back from injuries should be off limits for us.
Highgatespur
Good post Gatch, I agree, Townsend and Kane both need at least another season. Townsend has promise, just needs better coaching and better options up front to succeed. Kane really impressed me in his cameo at the end of the season. he deserves consideration for that alone. Home growns are really important assets for a variety of reasons we can't just toss them aside. Our foray into the foreign TF market last season can hardly be described as a success, hopefully we will learn from that.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
I think one of the problems we all as supporters seem to have with our players is .... when they are out, injured or on loan, we seem to think they are better than they really are ..

Rose....when he was injured with I think a Sore Toe for some months he was our saviour, reality set in when he returned.

As mentioned above, Rose Townsend and Kane leaving would not make much difference to out team, add Lennon to that also .

Bony for me .

ro6ertj
ro6ertj, true!!!
Highgatespur
So we are all back now are we? It's always Spurs isn't it ?!! LOL
Highgatespur
I am not sure any of the Southampton players are better than ours may be it is just a matter of getting the best out of our players and keeping them bloody fit.

Llanana is decent but is he better than Eriksen, no I wouldn't say so. Shaw is looking good but he is young and imo I am not sure he is ready to be first choice in a team like Spurs and I am sure he will want to continue playing and developing. I would take him but I am not sure it is the right time. we have seen it before, players especially young players having a good season or two for lower clubs but when they are put into a team fighting for top four, higher expectations they don't fulfill their potential, often it knocks them back. I think we rush players and expect too much too soon. I think sometimes it's better to stay with the club your performing well at for a little longer.

My bet is Poch needs to sort out Kaboul who is out of contract, Lamela, is he fit and happy to stay, and try and balance the squad and then see what he can get out of our existing players, see who are up for this visions and work ethics and see who wants to stay before decisions are made as to who to bring in.
BigSpursFan
BSF - same question for me - are the Soton players, en bloc, any better than ours ? Flavour of the month comes to mind.... btw Kaboul's contract runs out in 2016!
Highgatespur
 

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