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Are we getting carried away?

For every person that claims we are definitely buying Adam Lallana, there is another saying we definitely won`t be. What we do know is that half of them will definitely be right…

Perhaps the question is, whether he or others are right for Spurs and perhaps even more important is whether they are good value or not. Don`t get me wrong, I rate Lallana very highly, however at a suggested £25m. is he too rich and too expensive and would we be better served looking elsewhere. That elsewhere doesn`t have to be for a lesser player, but perhaps one that isn`t quite in the same inflated Premiership bracket, but one that is equally as good and perhaps even better.

We have seen and spoken of someone like Vika Konoplyanka before and he would be valued at around half of what we would be expected to pay Southampton, whilst if Liverpool are allowed to get Lallana, you assume that makes things easier in our attempts to get the Ukrainian. We will of course have the bigger gamble with a player adapting to England and its football, but we also know that paying twenty-five million is no absolute guarantee of success either.

Where we have to be looking is at areas of the side that are weaker. Attacking midfield probably isn`t one of those places, unless we are looking at a serious clear out. We might argue that selling Sigurdsson and Holtby for around £15m leaves us not having to spend too much on Lallana. Throw Townsend into the mix and we might even be in profit. However is that really the way to go and do we really know who Pochettino likes or dislikes in the Spurs squad? I actually seem to recall him trying to sign Andros on loan. Does that mean he rates him?

Although Pochettino and Baldini are obviously going to get a decent sum to spend this summer, you know there will also be a balancing of the books and space made in the squad, but also there will be a demand for youth to be brought in. Is there a potential that a Ryan Mason (remember him) or an Alex Pritchard will be seen as a future Lallana for example.

I vividly recall people talking of Lallana a few years ago, as being too slow, too lightweight and too whatever else. There was always the thinking that he was technically good, but probably just short or Prem quality. Do we as a club and in Poch as a manager, have the character and vision to unearth our own Lallana or whoever else we might be talking about?..




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Date:Monday June 2 2014

Time: 9:36AM

Your Comments

25M+ is too much for him and we already have players that can play his role, so I say move on and forget about it...
trevox
Sorry, Lallana that is!
trevox
Why does anyone think that Southampton and their new manager will want to sell Lallana
Will Tanner
I really like the player but not what we need, at not the right price for us at this moment...the timing is all wrong. 12m for Konoplyanka, we should be all over that one....
shedboy2
No to Lallana at that price, do we really need him with the players we have, I dont think so. Get our priorities right this transfer window and get players in for areas that we need them otherwise we will be in a bigger mess come the start of the season.
Kong
We need goalkeeper cover, a LB and two CB's in my opinion. Chiriches and Vertonghen I'd keep, both hugely talented defenders but we need an injection of pace at the back. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Has Konoplyanka price always been £12m?, if so why did it take Liverpool an age to try and get him in January and it still didn't work, I thought it was over the price.
Kong
kong- no....but it's his price now....I think it'll come down to us and Manu (Pool taking lallana)...but you need to flatter and pursue these guys...if MoPo can do that we'll have a real player on our hands...then all we need is a LB and to replace any outs with better ins...
shedboy2
WHLN17london it's just an assumption that Lloris will stay but we will need 2 keepers if Lloris decides to moves on. THFC should do all that they can to keep him. Time is on his side. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
First of all 30m was too much for Lamella. At least Lallana has EPL experience which was one of our failings last season. We shed too much EPL experience (whether good or bad), and brought in 7 non-experienced EPL players). Whilst guys like Konoplyanka look great, you have to mix them in with good all solid EPL experience to give them a platform to perform. This MUST be the focus for any new signings. Yes EPL experience costs money, but last season cost money too and failed to improve us. Back to Lallana: Southampton are right to "do a Levy" and squeeze every last penny out of any deal - either to try and keep him or compensate for his departure. We completely ripped Southampton off with regards to Bale, and now their face has been constantly rubbed into it as Bale persistently improves and achieves more. BUT I would not pay that much for Lallana. The guy is at the 27 year old stage, where he has broken through. He pretty much cannot afford to spend 4 years at Spurs and fail to achieve anything. If he were 24, he could see how we go for 2 years and decide then. But now, he needs to jump to a team that is "doing it" or "about to do it". Spurs have another transitional season coming up. In a transitional season, we should not be spending big bucks. We should spend it addressing the weaknesses (defence primarily), balancing the squad, and ensuring that we have the right depth in the squad for a whole season (2 players in each position is a start). Additionally Poch should start to look at what players will suit his vision going forward, and which would not. Getting carried away...? No. We got carried away last season. Shedding too many players who technically were inferior but would have performed a bit better than what replaced them.
TonyRich
The price associated with a Lallana transfer looks high. Is such a player a priority, particularly when Tottenham needs to strengthen defence?
Airwave
There are positions that need to be addressed for their lack of players and/or cover. That's where any money should go and how can Pochettino know where we need new blood until he's assessed the current players. As usual English players are overpriced. The only thing in Lallana's favour is that Pochettino knows the player. £25m has apparently been offered by Pool but Saints say they want £30m. We have youth players that Poch can bring on that will do the job if needed. Pritchard and Wilkes need bringing into the first team squad. We don't need more midfielders when we already have too many. McEvoy could become the next Koboplyanka(?) given guidance and time. . . . . Maurice (Norman) was a winner and Froch is. So were our previous Argentinians. So Mauric .. io Poch .... ettino the argentine will continue in the same vane!!! COYS IMPIT. Only time will tell if I'm right. All IMHO of course.
longtimespur
By the time the world cup finishes pre season would have started. We need to identify our targets now and go for them. I don't want to see us sell Lloris or Verts near the start of the season and have no replacements. Time to act now.
Kong
26 mil is a lot for Lallana, personally I don't think he'd sign for us anyways. But when you break it down (and potentially offset the fee with sales of 1 or 2 others) then the price is do-able. when I say break it down, I mean look at it as MoPo will be. He needs to know he can trust the players to play his way - high work rate and with end product. Lallana has that. I actually think Holtby can play that role, and would really like to see him given a chance, he's not a bad player and he clearly loves the club.
King26
Said it in previous posts, Lallana at 25m is too much. Too many players price tag is inflated after one season. I think we have enough talent at the club for Poch to make our own lallana. Can he beef up Carroll, can he bring Pritchard on and can he improve Townsend. These guys are where Lallana was a while ago, and Poch gave them a go and improved them, if he can do that with these players and some more of our youngsters that is the way to go. I would pay 10m for a player like Lallana not 25m but I seriously think our priorities is in defense and striking positions.
BigSpursFan
In both the games I saw lalana in last year (both v Spurs) he did impress but only in short periods of the game. Our midfield did win the games - coming from behind in both. We have Eriksen doing the business in a similar area to lalana - probably our major success story of last year. Do we really want to unsettle that ? Are we really expecting the Board to sanction another £30m investment and in another midfielder ? We seem to have plenty in both of these categories.

By all accounts we seem to have talented youngsters coming through the ranks atm, lets nurture and mentor them in the proper manner; a LB, CB and Wide player are the priorities. COYS
Highgatespur
I also think it is a risk buying players who are in the WC because of potential injury. I would deal with what we have, sort out who is up for this season and who isn't and trim the squad and then look to buy in when Wc is coming to an end. I certainly think however, if we can sort out defense first we can start the season as we are and may be get a couple in right at the end of the transfer window after the wc. We don't want to be paying load of dosh for a player who may get injured in the world cup.
BigSpursFan
Really no need for Lallana if Pochettino is as good a coach as they say he is, he should be able to identify and coach a player at spurs to do exactly the same job. Townsend, Chadli, Holtby anyone?
LongTimeSpursFan64
I think Poch quiet start is good for us. I prefer to hear things but I think it is better for the club that he isn't in front of the camera all the tim. I mean it was getting to be like HR days when Tim was manager, a circus in front of the camera, the media loving him, and both him and HR couldn't see how the media was working them.
BigSpursFan
I think Poch quiet start is good for us. I prefer to hear things but I think it is better for the club that he isn't in front of the camera all the tim. I mean it was getting to be like HR days when Tim was manager, a circus in front of the camera, the media loving him, and both him and HR couldn't see how the media was working them.
BigSpursFan
Another midfielder!?, we need to sort out the problem areas we have which are mainly 2 x LB, possibly 2 x CB and possibly 2 x CF roles, plus 1 maybe 2 goalkeepers. Forget Lallana, hes decent but over priced.
coys1717
oh dear - another love in for the unqualified ...
Highgatespur
Think it's already covered that the price is ridiculously high for a player we have a few of already, Lamela, Townsend and Chadli are all younger and will inevitably be of the same quality if not better within a few years. Let Liverfool have him.
Mix26
We need a good leftback and a leftwinger! Lallana can play on the left but I agree that the rumoured 25M fee is too much for him. Get Konoplyanka instead! We don't need another AM unless we sell Holtby or Siggy.
Jables
WHL, Ramsey was youth coach.
Dublin Hotspur
What role does Ryan Mason play in ? He's 23 now - time to move on ?
Highgatespur
No we aren’t getting carried away. 25+ plus for him is too much in any case and I don’t think we need him. I expect the club to send out a few on loans and Maybe buy 1 or 2 players this summer. COYS.
SpursOne2
Dublin, be careful you might spoil the illusion of grandeur (and the man love-in) I do wonder what's happened to the clamour of clubs after the unqualified 's skills ?
Highgatespur
I also think we have loads of talent in the academy, but they are not really cutting it due to generally poor coaching. New staff should kick things on.
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin, do you know much of Ryan Mason, we do need to see if there's a need to shed a few of the hopefuls?
Highgatespur
Yup there is some positive stuff coming out of the academy. Perhaps young Pritchard will feature Dublin
Mix26
Adam Lallana as you say, is without question a very good player, that in all honesty would improve every premier league squad. Be it as a starter or a squad player. But 25m is around 7-8m to much for me. I think Konoplyanka would be a great addition to any of the to clubs. He certainly in my opinion represents better value. The priority really is a new, already very good LB. I see Ben Davies is linked again, although he is a top prospect, he is not what is needed, like I said, a proven top quality LB is needed right now. And after that, the one player I would love us to sign this year above all others, Loic Remy. He would score 25 a season for us playing with the likes of Eriksen, Lamela etc. Remy, Konoplyanka, Lovren/Caulker + any top LB. That will do us.
Guraara
Quality player but we have other priorities. Unless we decide to ditch a few from midfield (which is possible) I can't see us making a move for him. But the guy can score and is confident with both feet.
Metal Spurs
WHLN17london, I must say this feeling of grandeur must be spreading to the unqualified's disciples. This is a open forum as you previously stated, thus we are open to answer/comment or not to answer/comment on any posters. I don't really think that my level of intelligence and understanding of the game is up to your high standard, thus I think this will be my last response to poster known as WHLN17london. Enjoy your discipleship to the unqualified. FYI none of the postings from the poster WHLN17london will be responded to by me.
Highgatespur
Adam Lallana i better than what we have .FACT.the deal is defo doable.if abyone was to stump up lose to 20 million for lamela i would try for this
tarkan mardinCOYS
my keyboard is fecked
tarkan mardinCOYS
Agree with you Metal spurs... this may be due the hiatus of any proper news and Spurs seem to be always game for the media.
Highgatespur
Lot of love on here for Konoplyanka, I was impressed with him when I've seen him play against us, but do we really know much about him? What's his work rate like? Games against England or English teams in europe are his chance to showcase himself for a move, but what's he like week in week out? If anyone know's I'd like to hear.
King26
is does seem bizzare that liverpool have cooled on koplyanka
tarkan mardinCOYS
great fleet of foot is lallana
tarkan mardinCOYS
i rather him than rodrigues or wanyama
tarkan mardinCOYS
25m!? Two PL seasons at the Saints and 4 appearances for England. (All friendlies'). Models for French Connection too. Get him in. Why not? Less work for Pochettino. We should do a swap deal with Southampton for at least 4 players. Less work for Pochettino.
MAN ON!
yes quality over quantity...get Konoplyanka in allow Andros, Gylfi and livermore to go...Bentaleb a loan....Carroll didn't impress last year for QPR just not ready for top of the Pl billing another who needs a loan or sale...Konoplyanka and Chadli for the left, Eriksen/holtby in the middle Lamela and Lennon right...good balance there age experience...Sandro, Pauli, Dembele and Capoue another four for two spots...and there is flexibility all over the place...5 out and 1 in for 12m...and we save on the wages...what's not to like?...
shedboy2
highgate-stop cussing tim sherwood
tarkan mardinCOYS
i started watching lallana closely after everybody started to rave about the guy and he is the knees bees.if pool get him wath him fly.yeah his a lot of money but thats football nowadays
tarkan mardinCOYS
tarkan mardinCOYS. I agree about him being a good player but who does he replace? Is he 25m worth of priority?
MAN ON!
I don’t see any TS lovers or haters on here. I don’t see any AVB lovers or haters on here. I don’t see any MP lovers or haters on here. What I do see is people with different opinions ... does anyone think that’s unusual?! I do see some egos on here who appear to have difficulty in dealing with opinions they don’t agree with. And, to be honest, it spoils a good read. It’s just OPINIONS!!! COYS
Geofspurs
As an attacking midfielder where did MP place him in his formations? Right, left, Central?
MAN ON!
shedboy2, a lot of thinking there...would like Nabil and Tom to stay at the club this year to truly understand where they are at with the club (new regime and all that)... agree with you on Livermore but not Lennon and I think Moussa might have decided hid future lies elsewhere - never looked happy since he arrived from Fulham IMO. As for Gylfi and AT - will have to wait till January to decide...
Highgatespur
Would Hodgson prefer Andos to Lallana if he wasn't injured? As Ox pointed out, Pochettino was looking to loan Townsend. Would he be a replacement for Townsend?
MAN ON!
Interesting news...

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/emmanuel-adebayor-ready-for-new-tottenham-deal-but-daniel-levy-may-prefer-the-cash-9470897.html
Highgatespur
Highgatespur- he who hesitates is lost! MoPo and his staff will have enough on their plate organising our snr pro's into their formations and tactics....without having to try and make silk purses out of pig's ears...Konoplyanka has consistently shown he's a quality player (against us as well) not just a flash in the pan or a one trick pony...we'll make a profit on the transfers and the wages and if Bentaleb and carol can show their worth we add value there as well...As for Lennon scores as many as Andros yet defends better and provides more assists...he is also a snr 1st team player and provides a solid platform for us to get more out of Lamela from...
shedboy2
highgate-i thought you said a while bak you hated all the tittle tattle,yet you dont mind it when it suits you
tarkan mardinCOYS
shedboy2, I also think Kono will add value to the team / squad. I do also think that we've lost a number of potentially good players by letting them go to other clubs on loans and invariably disappear from the radar when they return, that's why I'd like both Carroll and Bentaleb to stay at the club, especially Carroll. You seem to talking of Lennon in his form of a few years back, Townsend will benefit from a similar chance - he deserves one at least. I really can't see Lennon improving much ...
Highgatespur
Silly season has started. Today we are linked with Fabregas (really lazy journalism), Hamsik (yes please) Ben Davies and Ryan Bertrand and Michael Dawson is going to Hull for a paltry 4m?
vicspur
It seems like the only way I get a response on here is when I'm being controversial or posting complete nonsense. Oh well.... Maybe someone else can write my opinions and thoughts on my behalf... I think we'll win the double. When? Next season of course! Up the Lilywhites!
MAN ON!
WHLN17: They came, they went, they did their best. They've gone; simple, really. MP will do his bet and we should all do our best to support him, imo. COYS
Geofspurs
Lallana is not a £30m player, we have tried buying expensive players last season and look what happened. Lamela is like a new player so lets him a chance. Lets get our priorities sorted before buying luxury players.
Kong
vicspur: I thought the 'silly season' started last August! Don't think I could handle another one. lol
Geofspurs
MAN ON: That’s a coincidence. I think we’ll win the double next season, too! Hang on a minute ... no, I don’t, I just thought I should comment to make you feel better!
Geofspurs
Highgatespur-I'm talking about Lennon now, a few years he wouldn't even be in the conversation...for me Andros has had his chances. The reason players drop off after a loan tends to be they are not good enough...and the ones that could be squad players for us prefer to get 1st team action elsewhere...Livermore a case in point..imo is better than bentaleb at this time, is a homegrown player yet we can sell and not suffer...yet he's turned out less for us than andros!
shedboy2
Highgate, don't know much about mason, but assuming he isn't exactly going to burst in to the scene now at 23. Like isaid yesterday. Maybe look at culling those over 22 who haven't impressed yet? Or at least let poch have a good look at them. And let his team take on the younger ones we haven't messed up fully yet!
kong, agree. We don't need llalana. We could get ourselves some top players from big clubs in the positions we need for that money! English seems to increase value by 200%! Remember Townsend touted at 20m.... Lol!
Dublin Hotspur
He'll, 10m more and we could have fabregas!
Dublin Hotspur
at 12m Konoplyanka is 2 years younger...and there is so much more scope to make the Levy profit on him....
shedboy2
Sell some, buy some, easy! Don't cry for me Argentina.... From Bodgers to badges. From 6th to 1st. From Tottenham with love.....
MAN ON!
WHLN17: I agree. It’s one thing being frustrated with results and letting off a bit of steam, but continual abuse says more about the poster than the target of the comment. Like you, it’s just not my style, I guess.
Geofspurs
Lallana = good player who's value stems from him being English. If he was available for £12-£15m then I would be tempted to try and ship one or 2 out to bring him in. £25-£30m is just ridiculous for a 26yr old who has yet to prove himself at the top level. I'm not taking anything away from the guy but for that sort of money you want either a proven world-beater or a very good prospect with potential to become the next superstar. I think that's what we were expecting with Soldado and Lamela and got burned on both fronts

Regardless of price is he a player that we actually need? He isn't good enough that he will completely change the way we play (like Bale etc) so I don't understand why we would add another player to a position that we are loaded in. He isn't going to go for any less than £25m so lets just forget about it and look at players we need, Like a defender or three!!
hudderspur
shed - you say Konoplyanka has 'consistently shown he's a quality player', but have you seen him consistently? have any of us? Because I know I don't watch any of his league games, I doubt any of us do. I'm guessing that we've all seen the same of him, 2 games against us and 3 against England? That's not consistent enough for me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I don't want him, I do quite like the look of him (from those 5 games), but he'd be a big gamble no doubt. It's not exactly tough to perform in the Ukraninan league - and he's not even moved to one of their regular UCL teams...I've got to ask why that is
King26
hudderspur... I agree. Not even worth thinking about for that kind of money.
MAN ON!
shedboy2, all I see of lennon is the tracking back and covering - the poor lad has lost most of his instincts of before, running at players, beating them to cross for others to score and scoring himself... he's a shadow of all that. If it's the tracking back Lennon we'd likely to expect then let's leave the old one behind and acknowledge the new role... Kono in his place ? Lennon a DLM ?
Highgatespur
King26.. I got heavily criticised for saying the same. It's all about the grass being greener. Don't believe the hype. I saw him put several crosses in against us that went to nobody. He scored but so what....
MAN ON!
YouTube however is a wonderful resource and a much more reliable one than Match of the Day.
MAN ON!
Konoplyanka is exactly the type of player we need. A game changer, add to this the total opposite of what we have witnessed Left side of late, this lad will often be found back helping the LB out, he really does put a shift in. Are we waiting?, are we talking to him?, if we aren't in discussion, why not?. Players of this quality do not come this cheap all too often, add to this Liverpool concentrating on their Southampton players love affair, we should be stealing a march and getting this done. I believe whoever makes the first concrete offer will sign him.
cider spurs
Pastore is supposed to be surplus to requirements at PSG, latest I read was available for 10 million euros. Hard to believe, he was circa £30 million 1 season ago, not saying he is needed, but when building a squad, should always look to upgrade the weakest links, if this price is indeed correct, we should have no problem offsetting this with a sale. Add the Argentinian factor, might just have legs, downside...where would he play?.
cider spurs
If Mauricio wants Konoplyanka then I'm sure we'll bid for him. I can't make my mind up about players that play in the PL week in and week out so, I don't know. I've certainly only seen the guy play 4 times in total. I saw him go past Nuaghton a couple of times and cross the ball to one of our defenders on more than one occasion. He must have had an off day.
MAN ON!
For Adam Lallana read Eriksen, better, younger, and already here, so will cost nowt. Lallana is 26, so apart from his good season last season, where has be been, does one good season suddenly make him a £30M player. Woy Hodgson may be hard up enough to see him as "the answer", but are we. Regarding Konoplyanka, I'm afraid as is normal practice at Spurs we missed the boat when we could and should have signed him, we scouted him, and either Liverpool, or more than likely Man Utd, will sign him, both would pay him more than us, and both can offer CL football (remember that competition, that's what you get for top 4, distant memory, and set to get more and more distant).
Frank
MAN ON! - exactly my thoughts. Not going to be upset if we go out an get him, but who on here can tell me they've seen more than 5 games of his? Cider - you mention he puts in a shift, I agree, in the games I've seen he has....but those games have all been on the big stage for him, his shop window....does he do it week in week out? Have you seen him play league games? Why have Liverpool gone from being nailed on to sign him, to barely even in the running?? There must be a reason. After his performance against us and England, you can't tell me clubs haven't sent scouts? yet here we are, almost 2 years on, and not a single bid for him....something not quite adding up for me.
King26
Man On, that is why he is only worth £12m and not the £25m for Lallana as his crossing is better.
Kong
Here's how I feel about our midfield (4-2-3-1):

On the right: Lamela (groomed to be owner), Lennon (for his experience) and Townsend (to switch, primarily, to the left, with a secondary role to Lennon and Lamela, on the right).

On the left: With (inverted) Lamela and (natural) Lennon on the right, I'd have an inverted Chadli and natural Townsend on the left. I'd also keep Siggy, primarily, for earlier stages of Europa and/or Cup games (squad player).

In the middle: It'd not be too much to have from the four of Capoue, Sandro, Paulinho and Dembele, injuries and all, to manage the two middle roles (with Bentaleb for Europa and/or Cup duties, primarily).

Trades: If we're truly building to be a perennial top-4 team, then, I'd continue to ship out, on loan, Livermore, Holtby and Carroll. Now, despite the £110m we spent on the Famous 7, if one considers the sale of Huddlestone, Caulker et al, in addition to Bale, we were in surplus last year, plus, we spent nowt in January. Therefore, with the booty of three, as opposed to one, windows, if needs be, we surely have enough to get a significant playmaker to compete with Eriksen for the mid role behind Adebayor/Soldado/Kane/Loic?/Lukaku?

And, furthermore, we should have enough to sort out the LB position. 2014/15 season is the one (with 2016 and onwards' hindsight) where we must make the Bale money count; our 7even now have the benefit of a year's EPL experience. The sky's the limit now. COYS!
roforofoSpurs
Frank - dunno if you say any EPL last year, but Man U can't offer anyone UCL football
King26
*Saw
King26
I base my desire for the club to sign Konoplyanka based on watching his desire on the pitch. Agreed, not watched vast amounts of him, but I do usually try and read numerous reports of games, and what is said prior to even watching a player I may believe could be good for us.

The thing I like about Kono, is yhe fact he is prepared to take a man on, he is a battler, never gives up and will work the whole of left side from front to back, he has some great touches, good close ball control, gets his head up, and generally is a thorn in any RBs side.

To be fair, we all know Walker isn't the most Switched on RB at times, but Kono ran him ragged, Gerrard often having to come to double up on him, Walker is no slouch, come the end, he was mentally drained IMO, Kono was relentless, time after time running at him. Sometimes, you can watch a player and see he just "has it", IMO, this guy has it in abundance, and at £12 million, I'd see that easily being one of the best VFM signings of the window.
cider spurs
King- no I haven't seen his every game but I have seen enough to know he is quality, is quick and can play (certainly better than Andros!). Ramos valued him at c50m euros labeling him their best player...as for the league not being good enough...have a look at how well carroll and Andros have done in the lower leagues! Cider- Pastore is another that could fit the brief...not sure on his wages but again he would allow us to trim a lot of fat...Highgate- people don't rate tracking back highly enough there are 22 men on the pitch the time you don't have the ball is far greater and you have a huge impact on a game if you get that right...or we can have andros track for the 1st two yards, not assist, score at the same rate of game time but return the ball to the oppo constantly by blazing over...
shedboy2
cider spurs. That's true when you say: "Sometimes, you can watch a player and see he just "has it", but personally, I don't see it. You're description of him is very similar to how a lot of people have described Andros. ;-)
MAN ON!
If Lennon plays for Poch, he will definitely be expected to track back. He will want him and any other forward to also be getting stuck in, up in the oppositions half.
MAN ON!
I'm with MAN ON!, jury is out for me on Konoplyanka....however, that left side needs addressing, and we're not going to attract an already proven TOP player, we've always had to rely on taking punts. Like I say, not going to be disappointed if he comes in as he could be very good, however, I think he's receiving a lot of praise that is not necessarily warranted
King26
Sorry to keep harping on, but do you think fans of clubs outside of England watched Andros against Poland & Ukraine and thought he looked amazing?
King26
Cider, I can see your point but also the point of spending money on an unknown player. To the unknown player element - I think it's £12m which is not too exhorborent by today's standards, and we've seen enough of him but I'm sure Spurs management have seen him more than that to bid for the player - like Eriksen ? And we need that type of player. As to the expenditure of last year - mistakes happen, a bit more cautious approach and due diligence applied. and we can't dictate future dealings on past events... I say go for him!
Highgatespur
King26... That was kind of my point..... You made it more clear.....
MAN ON!
When we talk about the quality of our squad, it depends on what our expectations are, and who we measure ourselves against. I will be honest and say that there are very few players currently at Spurs, and possibly less after the summer transfer activity, who would get into the starting XI of any of the top 4. We probably "out squad" Everton, especially if you include the players they borrowed but couldn't afford (shouldn't be allowed in the PL), but the rest of those who finished above us, have considerably better starting XIs, if some have a lack of depth. Having said that football at top level is all about quality, rather than quantity, we have a large squad mostly consisting of non performing mediocrity. Although they are almost entirely full international players, they are either the wrong player for us, or we are incapable of utillising their full ability, or perhaps the atmosphere in the club in the last 2-3 years with a succession of "nearly men" coaches, coming and going, and tactical chaos reigning most of the time, is hardly conducive to encouraging good players to shine. Will it improve with the latest appointment? The jury is very much out.
Frank
MAN ON!...Too true. I thought that as I was writing. I still stand by the fact that it is well reported by various sources at differing stages that Konoplyanka is renowned for his work ethic, has a great touch, tidy passer and pace to burn. As for the scouts, meant to have been a few.

One thing to bear in mind, something that has not escaped my mind. With talk of him being the best player in the Ukraine since Schevchenko, how did he fair?, maybe some of te clubs did not follow up their interest because he was circa £18-20 million, only of late has it been divulged that he can go for £12 million. It is on this bass that I hope we sign him, who else and at what standard could we buy LW wise for £12 million compared to him. Tadic is my shout, and another who would do well IMO.
cider spurs
Kono a 1 in 5 player...Andros a 1 in 10....(even in league 1! didn't score any in 15 games at brum and played primarily left I believe)...one of Andros's pot shots flew in against mediocre opposition (Montenegro) they normally hit the upper stand he can't even be called a flat track bully as he can't bully the weaker teams regularly ...I'm sure Manu, Liverpool et al are just waiting to pounce on Andros...lol.
shedboy2
cider spurs. I will not be up in arms if we signed him. I'm not saying he's a bad player, I'm just not convinced as yet, that he's good enough for the PL. I wouldn't mind at all if you were proved right.
MAN ON!
Cider, as for Pastore - I'm a bit more reserved because of over loading the squad ... IMO we only need 3 players to 'up skill' the squad.
Highgatespur
shedboy2. Personally, I didn't say Andros was a better player. Truth is I don't know.
MAN ON!
King26, of course you are absolutely right, I had a "grey moment", it slipped my mind that Man Utd had indeed failed for the first time for Christ knows how long, to qualify for the CL. In fact for the first time in a very very long time, they finished below us. Never mind.
Frank
shedboy2, I would really like a player to attack and track back as necessary but if to attack is their prime concern - I'd like them to attack with results... if Azza is primarily in the team to attackk let's see him doing it. The only concession for Andros I'd like is just one more year without all the distractions.
Highgatespur
MAN ON! Glad I could be of service! And Frank - we all have those moments! you're right that they could offer lots more money though, they also have more pulling power. If you're Konoplyanka and say Us, Liverpool and United come in for him this summer, in all honesty, and as annoying as it is, we'd be his 3rd choice
King26
More like 30m as Southampton have rejected and offer of 25m from Liverpool... I think he is a good player but 30m is far far too much! Anyway if its a choice between Liverpool and Tottenham, i somehow dont think he will be coming to White Hart Lane!
Mixer yids
King26. I really don't know what the others saw in AT's two England performances but I couldn't see it at the games for Spurs! IMO Hodgson along with the media saw a 'saviour' and clung onto him like dear life.
Highgatespur
All we can really hope for is that Poch really is as good as we want/need him to be and, that he is able to assess asap who and who does not fit into his plans.. Some big decisions to make. Let's hope he's up to it.
MAN ON!
Lallana looks good but we have many players the same if not better (Lamela - anyone who hasn't seen what he can do, watch some of the youtube videos - for clubs and country) The guy has crazy skills, and I think people forget in the few games he did feature for us he did show glimpses (through balls and quick bursts against villa??) I find the next link interesting: http://www.essexchronicle.co.uk/Spurs-ready-stun-Arsenal-deal-30m-superstar/story-21176095-detail/story.html? Ok it's prob bs but he is a real player, top top top quality CM. Of course highly unlikely but if there are no better offers who knows. Always been a fan of Cesc, very under rated IMO. We'll see but I feel (or hope) we'll shift on Dembele, Rose, Lennon, Dawson and replace with better models. COYS
chavli
I think Southampton need Lallana more than Liverpool or Spurs. They will want to get as much as possible for him.
MAN ON!
Lallana can't really be fairly compared to the likes of Lamela and Eriksen. He's a different style of attacking midfielder altogether. He has qualities that those two don't have and vice versa.
MAN ON!
Lallana for me is nowhere near as good as Erikson, although slightly different they are similar! We'll see but I'm more excited about this window than previous years as our squad can't get worse IMO. I think Lamela is going to suprise a few..I'm always ranting about but he looks amazing on youtube and has been scouted by many top clubs. The guy has skills, real skills!!
chavli
Chavli - haha, 2 things. Would I take him? In a heartbeat. Would he sign for us? not even if we were his only option. Never. No way.
King26
Are Eriksen and Lamela ready to put their feet in as much as MP would like them to? Lallana does this well and Poch knows it, as he was hugely responsible for coaching that side of his game. Getting stuck in, that is.
MAN ON!
One good thing is most of our squad have not been called up or there country didn't make the World Cup, so everyone bar the Belgians and lloris and paulinho will have a good long pre-season under pochettino and hopefully be fully prepared to commit to his ideas, if not he will have had time to assess and replace if need be, I think we need a couple of defenders and a left inside forward or winger depending on how poch sets up other than that get rid of some deadwood and poch has a great squad to work with COYS TTID IMPIT
tottingham10
Oh dear WHLN are u really looking for attention?
Mix26
Poch plays high pressing football, I see a huge role for Holtby under Poch. Holtby is a bag of energy and exactly the kind of player we need between midfield and the striker(s). If can see Poch getting Holtby to perform like Llalana, that would save us £25m.

We need to see what Poch does we the current squad, who knows, he may even make Dawson decent or even have Rose playing perfectly well. Poch has my support and I'll back him, he needs to assess the squad and I'm sure he'll identify the weak links.
yiddyboy
King26: Yes I guess you are right, but we can all Dare to Dream right? :) It's gonna be another great season in the premiership, I'm just hoping Spurs can do better than last year! I'm just trying to envisage our current players 'pressing the poch way'..I am struggling with that!
chavli
I don’t think any of us have really seen enough of the players under discussion to know how good they would be for us ... well, I certainly haven’t anyway. Most of us don’t even know how good the players are that we bought last August, and they’ve been here a year! Personally, I hope whoever we bring in has been studied for long enough by Baldini, and whoever else has a scouting role at the club, to be clear about what they can do for us and how they’d fit in. All I can do is put my trust in that and then sit on the fence until I’ve seen enough to form an opinion.
Geofspurs
yiddyboy - said the same thing further up the thread, Holtby has all the attributes to succeed under MoPo for me
King26
yiddyboy. I hope you're right because I see more potential in Holtby than Lallana. I wouldn't be at all surprised though if MP does push for him as he knows him well, above any of ours and, all coaches will take an opportunity to make their life an easier one. Lewis is younger and even less experienced than Adam.
MAN ON!
It may well be that Levy has said to MP, work with what we've already got and take it from there....
MAN ON!
Lallana will have other destinations. In any event overhyped. Spends too much time preening himself and stroking his hair, always conscious the cameras are on him.
cynicspur
cynicspur. That's why I joked about him being a model... A hell of a lot of footballers do tend to have a thing about their hair though.
MAN ON!
Wonder if Poch's Lallana will be similar to AVB's Moutinho? None of us know what will go on but Levy did come out and say we will continue to develop squad and freshen things up. We all agree some dross will be sold (hopefully starting with Dawson, yeah nice guy but toooooooo slowwwww and a bit clumsy) I'd agree with someone who said yesterday we should start Sandro & Capoue (very tough) but Capoue can pass the ball! Imagine this: Lloris Walker Verts Chiriches Shaw Sandro Capoue Lamela Paulinho Erikson Adebeyor
chavli
King26 - Sorry to repeat you but I see a player in Holtby and there is no question about his passion.
Man On! Maybe you're right, maybe Levy has said you have a good squad lets assess in Jan or next summer. That is OK as long as Levy doesn't sell anyone on 31st August
yiddyboy
chavli. That's how I can see MP playing Lamela and Eriksen, starting out wide but playing across the front and being very mobile in support of the striker.
MAN ON!
Well done to Nabil for making the final squad of 23 !!! And to BAE as well!
Highgatespur
I'm basing that on how he set up the Saints anyway but, it's all I've got to go on.
MAN ON!
MAN ON: Exactly, but imagine, really tough midfield but with the wide men supporting the striker and Paulinho doing what he does best (timing those runs into the box). Has potential, what I saw of Capoue I thought he looked good - against palace he bossed things but really can pass the ball. We'll see!
chavli
The love-child makes it to Brazil.... Will Daddy be jealous or generous in his support?
MAN ON!
chavli. You see as I've imagined it and almost to a man. Of course, it is Spurs and no doubt we'll be totally wrong.
MAN ON!
If we are considering Konoplyanka then maybe we should also consider his Ukrainian team mate Andriy Yarmolenko. He's 24, and can play either left or right of a front 3. Has pace to burn and I think he is approaching the last year of his current contract with Dynamo Kiev. Better goal scoring stats than Konoplyanka as well.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
It's a great formation that accommodates our tough DM's that are also good at going forward and moving the ball well, with our two flair players given the freedom that they will relish. I like it.
MAN ON!
Poch has to first and foremost assess our squad, the 7 we brought in last summer was signed because they are top players, you don't just stop becoming a good player, these are young men who have moved their lively hoods to a new country, new culture, new club, new team, they needed that bedding in period, now they will have a whole summer with a new coach slate wiped clean I feel they will all come good and have a great season and all have a part to play and most importantly pay back our club for giving them a chance of a lifetime to play for Tottenham Hotspur under the best league in the world. For all those who are banging on about a new striker and lallana it ain't gonna happen, levy spent upto 60m on soldado and lamela, he wants them to show why we paid for them hence the poch appointment. COYS TTID IMPIT
tottingham10
If people (and by that I also mean the board) think Lallana is a realistic option especially at the quoted £30m then why are we not seriously looking at Luke Shaw? He’s younger, arguably better in his respective position and we actually need a left back. Im not sure why people think it would be so easy to attract Lallana but not Shaw? Personally I think it’s just lazy journalism. I mean how many ex-porto players were we linked with when AVB joined and remind me again how many we signed?? I can’t see us doing much this window. Still, I wouldn’t mind knowing why Baldini flew out to Barcelona last week. There’s not many players at Barca I wouldn’t have if im honest. Just imagine that “big tent” signing and Neymar or Alves clothed in Lillywhite ; )
hudderspur
MAN ON! How's it going? You say that Levy might have said to his new coach "work with what we've already got and take it from there"... I think it's much more likely that LOSER Levy has said to himself, (whilst keeping his Poch in the dark of course) "Lets see how much I can raise from selling the likes, of Lloris, Pauli, Sandro etc etc before I decide who I want to buy for MY football team"...
Pele10
Pele10 - In fairness, I've never known Levy try to offload players. He's always driving the price up for them when teams come in for them, but not once (off my head) can I recall him deciding to just cash in on them for the sake of it.
King26
hudderspur, agree with your views on the speculation - I am guessing that no more than 3 will be added this window. Baldini's trip to Barca? - to recruit Puyol as a coach ? Who knows...
Highgatespur
Pele10. Hi,I'm good. How are you? I'm not about to agree or disagree with you as there's not much point. I hope you're looking forward to the football this summer that doesn't involve Levy and his crew.
MAN ON!
I disagree, I believe all 7 will be in our squad next season, we saw glimpses of all of their talent last season we know what they are capable of and if poch can get the best out of their talent and get them integrated as a team and not individuals and playing on form I believe it could turn out £100m very well spent.
tottingham10
MAN ON! Yeah lets hope we see something similar, I felt it was an obvious formation away last season anway (like Chelsea played at City and Liverpool). Seems safe option IMO with good attacking and counter attacking options. I like Paulinho I feel he'll do better further forward..or maybe swap him for Holtby...
chavli
chavli, Paulinho, for me should play there and would be a good link up for Sandro and Capoue or whoever it is to carry out from defence.
MAN ON!
WHLN17 - reputation for driving a bargain? Or going to clubs & trying to offload? Highgate - Puyol new Barca director of something or another....he's not going anywhere, knowing our luck it'll be Bojan he was asking about *sigh*
King26
What is this Dawson to Hull for 3-4mil can't see that happening. Firstly Dawson said he wants to finish his career at spurs, he didn't alow to be pushed out last season, what makes people think he will alow it this season. My guess is Dawson will not make a final decision until he sees the squad and if he thinks he has a chance of competing for a place in the team he will stay. he was told last season he wasn't first choice more like fourth and he stayed and competed and he go his chance, took it and due to injuries he played most of the games. I think he would only go if he really believes he hasn't a hell in chance of playing, competing which would effectively mean him not being in the squad, if he is in the squad he will believe he will get games, if not in the PL in the cups.

Secondly, 3-4m when last season we were offered 8-9m I don't think levy will sell for such a small amount. Dawson has a lot to offer a PL club, vast experience and on his day a good footballer. I would say minimum Levy would like to see at least 7m.

I don't think we can bring in a whole new defense and it is likely that with Kaboul's injury and probably not going to have a contract extended we will lose him. Most say Rose is not good enough, if that is the case and Poch feels the same then a LB will be brought in and that is another change. Walker is injured and we don't know what the extent of his injury is and we may well need to look at Federiks or Naughton to compete there, so I would be surprised if Dawson goes. Not saying he should be first choice but too many changes in defense could be problematic. I think it is unlikely that he will leave but if he does it will be likely be at the end of the TW when he feels he hasn't a chance of getting footy and told he will not be in the squad or when Levy can get a good amount for him. Hull let the bidding start, it will not end that soon, Dawson imo can bring more than they are offering.
BigSpursFan
When do players return to clubs for pre season, those not in WC any one know?
BigSpursFan
I'm sure a lot of them will not return until after the world cup even if they're not in it. I'm not sure. Holidays followed by a bit of modelling and punditry no doubt.
MAN ON!
King26, thanks for that yup as assistant to sporting director Andoni Zubizarreta .... ah well... maybe one of their let go's... who knows?! enough to say 'meh'....
Highgatespur
chavl: I like the look of your eleven!
Geofspurs
BSF - The preseason training usually starts in the second week of July or just after.... Spurs have a tour of US in mid July - so I presume ist week of July this year ?
Highgatespur
a very good read http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.ie/2014/05/how-pochettino-will-improve-spurs.html , why go for him when we have lamela unles hes been sold, all paper talk all BS
123spurs
BigSpursFan I think we should bite their hands off! A question, if u have been told ur shiet and were selling u once, then being told twice ur sheit has to materialise into a thought process of "I think it's time I move on"... Celebration party at my place by the way should that materialise...
Mix26
Well WC final July 14th our first pre season July 19th. Now that potentially could mean if any of our players make the final we will not see them for the first pre season game as I expect them to have at least a week off after the WC which would mean them joining the club probably 21st July in America or just after that date. Poch will not had time to work with them so it is difficult, as it will be for other managers, although more difficult for a new manager who hasn't work with the players before.
br>I am sure if first pre season match is 19th then training has to start before that I would say minimum a week probably two weeks as there is the travel to the pre seasons to take place, so I would assume training for those not at the WC starts at least 7th July and even then two weeks which includes travel to America is not long for the team to get to know Poch and him to know the players before the first pre season game. I thought they only has two weeks of for the summer?
BigSpursFan
why are english players over hyped and over priced, u swear england were a sucessful national team,
123spurs
BSF I am sure they have some sort of programme for returnees worked out - they usually get 6 weeks break in the summer to recuperate ?
Highgatespur
Mix26-I can't agree, I don't think he sheit and I don't think he was told he was shiet. I think the offer from QPR last season was good offer and Dawson was merely told he wasn't first choice so he had to consider if he wanted to move but equally AVB was happy to keep him and let him fight for his place, which he decided to do, there was no evidence of him being called shiet. It applies with Ade this season. If an offer comes in that is good, the branded price tag of 5m for a 30yr old who is inconsistent and on hight wages Levy would be happy to cash in, and if Ade was told he would be first choice then as a player he would consider the move, whether he wanted to fight for his place or go somewhere where he was guaranteed first team footy, noone saying he is shiet either, it's business, and that is what happened last season with Dawson, where does this gossip of being told yur shiet. I would say if this was a true fact, that he was told your shiet and we don't want you then he would have gone, then a person doesn't stay where they are TOLD they are shiet, unless they are heartless and happy to sit in the reserves and get paid, Dawson wasn't and isn't like that. People do make so much up, shiet as if. No brilliant, coming to an end, yes shiet, sensationalism.
BigSpursFan
Highgate-thanks. So I guess that would mean return around 16th June for those not in the WC. That sounds more realistic, gives Poch and the players time to look at the season ahead and start training, fitness ready for the month after the first pre season game.
BigSpursFan
BigSpursFan. I wouldn't bother. Mix 26 will just insult a player he doesn't like. It's his words not anyone else's.
MAN ON!
Mind you that is par for the course on here.
MAN ON!
if michael dawson is sheit than what the hell is jan vertonghen.people should think before they write such garbage
tarkan mardinCOYS
BigSpursFan incorrect, Dawson was told u can go cause ur sheit. Dawson knows he was heading to the bottom half of the table and more likely a relegation threatened team like QPR who are shiet. His wages would have been a damn lot more sheiter than with Spurs and hence him knowing that even though he is sheit it would be better to be sheit in a good team than sheit in a relegation team...
Mix26
BSF - more like 1st july realistically ....
Highgatespur
Highgate - MoPo & Puyol are 'close friends' apparently, so perhaps he was there trying to get him in as a coach! I just know that for now, he's signed to stay there.....Could be asking them about Delafeou on loan?!
King26
Mix26. Well that was a load of old.............
MAN ON!
Spoken like a gent and a true connoisseur of the beautiful game....
MAN ON!
BigSpursFan apologies I'm just taking the ***** but Dawson has no future at the club imo as he would 100% not fit into MP tactics and formation. He will cost us like he did this year imo and 4-5 million is a fair price when u consider we sold a talented young player in Caulker for 9 mil. I blame Dawson for that but can't prove it to be true ;)
Mix26
King26, Delafeou had made it into the Spanish squad - quite an achievement ... meaning he'll stay at Barca ? Hope you're right - hate this loan thing though !
Highgatespur
Mix-ok, I hear you 'mind'
BigSpursFan
Highgate-probably, just looking forward to seeing the lads and the new manager working together, get some insights to what each think.
BigSpursFan
As previous comments of mine of other threads show, I'm not a fan of Dawson in our 11, but for 4 million, I'd keep him. The fact he was told he can go because he was not up to the required level, yet refused the move, says a lot about the man. We definitely do need a slightly higher level of CB for our 1st 11, however, I've grown tired of players thinking they've outgrown us, yet here we have a man who has been told 'go, you're not good enough', and he's decided to stay and fight. That is a fantastic quality, and that sort of quality does rub off on to younger players....He's not on a ridiculous wage so I see no point in selling for 4mil....obviously he may yet decide he wants to go, in which case, fair play and thanks for the service, but if he wants to stay again, then you don't find that sort of commitment very often in modern day football
King26
BSF - as a kid I used to love going to the training sessions - tbh that carried on as well when not so young as well !!!
Highgatespur
I agree with Tarkan. Tarkan, I always do. Or do I?
MAN ON!
tarkan u still have not spoken of the Lambert signing? Excited in the Liverfool camp?
Mix26
Well said King26. Honest and fair.
MAN ON!
King26, for those 'fighting' qualities I'd like him to stay as Club Captain and for the cup games - not for the majority of PL games.
Highgatespur
Highgate- yep, looked quality last year for Everton, and he'll probably feature for Barca this coming season as they look to re-vamp themselves (Real are free money for La Liga next year!!!), and I'm not a fan of loaning players in either, I don't see that it benefits us long term, but I think he's a game changer, and if we had a chance to get him in for a year on the cheap, then I would....I'm fairly confident when I say that his loan to Everton was a groundbreaker, in that Everton only paid anything towards his wage when he didn't play, when he featured, he was free as Barca just wanted him to develop....if we could have that for 1 year, I'd take it no questions....as I've said though, we're probably more likely to be in for Bojan!!!
King26
mix26 is also honest but, not necessarily fair.
MAN ON!
Absolutely, league cup games, early europa league, possibly even FA cup, I have no problem with Dawson staying....as someone (can't remember who) said on a thread the other day, he very rarely has niggling injuries, whilst not a starter, I'm totally fine with him being 1st/2nd reserve!
King26
King26 whilst it's a good problem to have in terms of yes 'what a good guy who wants to play for Spurs' but to me I think giving him the Captains armband then makes him a guaranteed starter. Do u honestly believe that a young player sits there thinking wow what a legend of a player or do they see the truth which is what Caulker did and say stuff this I should not be playing behind this player and choose to move on. It would certainly not motivate me to want to play for Spurs if I was behind a player like Dawson.
Mix26
King26, didn't know an of that about the loan - how did Everloan get that sort of deal ?!!! No wonder they were beaming like cheshire cats!!! Oh to replace him this year ...
Highgatespur
Well that's us out the cups next season then! Night all
Mix26
Mix26 - lol! hopefully we'll stay in some cups....I would replace him as captain, but still keep him. Did any of you see much Cardiff last year? one of my best mates is a fan and lives there, by all accounts Caulker was not all that, his goals flattered to deceive.
King26
Highgate - 99.9% sure I read it somewhere, will try and find the link now.....
King26
Found it, and I was half right....they did still pay his wages, not all of them though. They paid a much lower amount when he was in the team, and much more when they decided not to play him. All that talk of him being free, well, it turns out I was chatting nonsense! is it friday yet?!
King26
I see Hugo Lloris is giving it to the media again! Looking forward to him as our captain next year!
Mix26
On the official defender stats index of the PL, in first place is Walker. 2nd, Dawson. 3rd is Rose and Jan is a fair way behind on points, in 4th. However different stat sites say different things, that's why I chose the PL official one. On another site, they had Jan as the top defender of the entire PL! Believe what you will. We certainly let in a lot of goals whichever way you look at it.
MAN ON!
Thanks King26 appreciate it ... Everloan were the clear winners...
Highgatespur
King26, agree, Loser Levy never offloads for the sake of it! He offloads players for the following reasons. He offloads players if he wants to raise revenue to buy new players of his choice. He offloads players to get his books looking good for Big Joe. He offloads players when their contracts are running down, even 2 years ahead of the contract ending is the right time time to cash in for Danny Baby. Remember VDV? We also saw when he sold Defoe this season that if the price is right he will sacrifice the clubs leading goal scorer in a major European competition right at the crucial stage of the competition. Yes 9 Million meant much more to the little LOSER than winning the Europa League! And of course he offloads players to the detriment of the team if the price is right. If an opportunity comes along to make massive profits on his original investment. This is the biggest buzz for the little loser! Much better than winning silverware, or playing in the CL. Buy a player for X amount, and then triple or quadruple on his original investment, which then gives him the opportunity to do what he is in the football business for. To play real life Fantasy Football (on a 2 plus million salary) with OUR football club! Selling the clubs star players give him a new Fantasy football transfer kitty! Much better then winning silverware or CL football. Remember his magnificent 7 last summer. If you look at the amount of players he has bought (well over 100 hundred) you will see quite clearly that Levy simply loves to buy and sell football players, whilst his worst trophy per season percentage of any THFC chairman since World War two gets worse, and worse and worse and the clubs local rivals continue to dominate him both on and off the football pitch season after season, after season........
Pele10
Hugo is my choice..... Good enough for France, good enough for Spurs!
MAN ON!
MAN ON! I'm good thanks. Really looking forward to the World Cup!
Pele10
Pele10...Likewise.
MAN ON!
Man On I saw those stats too. Could not believe my eyes. In fairness we not playing "moneyball" but I had a conversation with a Liverpool fan last week about BR being a huge stats manager and hence John Henry going for him as their manager. Stats don't lie but can obviously be tinkered especially if we use Dimominators...
Mix26
If VDV played under Poch next season I doubt he would last 30 mins. He probably wouldn't get through the first training session.
MAN ON!
Mix, Every stat site I looked at had different top 10's for PL defenders. Jan being No.1 in one of them but nowhere to be seen in others! Hey, we see what we see. Lloris sure let in a lot of goals last season but IMO was our best and most consistent player!
MAN ON!
Man On , VDV would just send MP some pics of his missus and everything would be fine... Damn fine!!!
Mix26
Yeah! Damn fine!
MAN ON!
Are we getting carried away, yes indeed and its so so far away,...
Arky
Thought some might enjoy this

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/maurice-at-80-part-one-020614/
Highgatespur
the forum is like a marriage.....always arguing for better or worse...hehehe.......read every comment but not much posting anymore....still one big happy family...........best forum in footyland though......i reserve opinions on players until i see how poch gets them playing and i have faith in poch....yeah ,shoot me.......lol...coys
rovinella62spurs
MP has not even gotten the VS welcome to the club seal of approval and yet we are all dreaming already. My tea leaves at the bottom of my cup say that I should be bracing for a few Spurs heartbreaks before the season opens.
Arky
BANG rov! Arky anything regarding transfers in or do the leaves only speak about outs?
Mix26
VDV might not last but he'd be good while he did, he was an incredible signing and one who was inspirational with Modric at times. Seems like a decent guy for a wife beater too. One of our best ever players IMO. Does seem crazy the squad we could of had if we'd never sold Carrick, Berbatov, Modric, Bale, VDV..would of really loved to see Berbatov & VDV up front back in the day. Anyway enough dreaming! Back to reality..
chavli
Arky. Unless we're talking about the past, it's always just soggy tea leaf time on here........
MAN ON!
chavli. I did hear talk of VDV returning. I doubt it.
MAN ON!
I've just put £5 on Lamela scoring 20 goals this coming season. I think Spurs really have a great chance now as they'll have to work hard for Poch, it's gonna be interesting. Much more than last year, as AVB was just destined to fail with all the wrong signings etc - I still stick to the theory if AVB had the players he wanted (Hulk, Villa, Mouthino etc) It could of worked his way but he ended up with Dembele (who is good no doubt). I fully believe Poch will have a few players in mind and reports suggest they have spoken about targets. I'm desperate for the World Cup to start..as we'll have something to watch whilst waiting for the new season. My line up again for new season would be something like: LLoris, Walker, Verts, Chiriches, Shaw, Capoue, Sandro, Paulinho, Eriksen, Lamela, Adebeyor.
chavli
Haha MAN ON! Yeah no chance for VDV now sadly, I think Chadli will be better under Poch..I'm always hard on Lennon but he's getting older isn't he..hasn't really developed much so he could be gone with Dawson, Livermore, Siggy, I'd sell Soldado if a decent offer comes in - does look class at times with nice touches but who'd play him over Adebeyor? I don't think AVB was the main one behind that deal. I hope we keep Bentaleb, Kane, Townsend and bring back Caulker - we're gonna have a few games in Europa too so will be nice that the youngsters are still here. Rose IMO could be sold but who knows, I'd like Shaw or Baines- any improvement would do really but Rose isn't top 4 IMO. I think if get decent offer for Soldado, Rose, Livermore, Lennon, Siggy, Dawson then shift on no delay! Dream striker (but not impossible) would be Ibrahimovic (just as never played in prem, been in France 2 years..one last move before USA?) He would give the X factor and that would be top IMO.
chavli
I for one couldn't care less about developing young players at the expense of the club. If they are good enough they will be selected to play under any manager. If you had a choice of fielding Alex Pritchard or Christian Erikson who would it be? There isn't really much of an age gap there either.

All in all Spurs should invest in their manager, meaning both time and money. Give Pochettino the funds to sign whoever he see's fit and give him 3 years to achieve the agreed outcome... Top four. Once there, we will regain both out credibility as a top European club and recoup that initial expenditure. Speculate to accumulate. Lallana is quality and we should sign him to both strengthen the team and make sure our contenders don't build an either bigger gap between us.

I want big names at Spurs, I want quality, I want footballing success, I want to see management wanting the same thing and showing it through their actions. COYS
RyanHotSpur
King26-I watched Cardiff a fair bit and I didn't think Caulker was that great, I still doubt he would be trusted over Dawson in some games, he is not quite there yet imo. I think fans forget that although players like Dawson, same with lennon have their weaknesses they are still experienced and needed. You need players like these who want to stay with the club, it's a matter of using them wisely. If they are no longer good enough as first choice but are happy to stay and fight and play a role in cup and early europa matches I say great. I think dawson and Lennon can become a all time Spurs legend in a sense that they have committed their years to the club.

Caulker is one for the season, but imo he was not that great last season, to think he can come in and be first choice and play for us who on one hand demand us to compete for top four but expect us to do it with youngsters, daft. We need a mix and I say dawson stays, and Lennon
BigSpursFan
Mix26, the leaves only suggest outs, I am afraid. :(
Arky
MAN ON! Hence my two leaves worth it mate.
Arky
Geofspurs, if Baldini was responsible for scouting the 7 players on which we spent £109M last summer, then firstly I'm amazed that Levy refused to accept his resignation, and secondly I hope he doesn't get within a 1000 miles of any potential signings this summer, if last time is representative of his talent at scouting, or lack of it.
Frank
It's all very well being reluctant to get rid of the likes of Dawson and Lennon and the like, but remember with some of the youngsters nearing cut of age, we need to name a 25 man squad to include hopefully 2 or 3 freshening up signings to rectify some obvious weaknesses in the squad.
Frank
RyanHotSpur That post is bang tidy,,,,,,plus 1
Fanny adams
If we had two Eriksens Ryan, which one would you put on the bench?
MAN ON!
Well spoken RyanHotSpur but not sure whether lallana being the answer - Fabregas could be !!!
Highgatespur
Lampard's off - to New York Citeh ?
Highgatespur
Lamela will be twice the player of Lallana, as for Fabregas he wouldn't touch us with a bargepole, good goner scum.
Thats Entertainment
TE - I am sure he won't - and hopefully the club feels the same way !!! That was said with tongue in cheek!

I just can't wait for Lamela to get going!
Highgatespur
RHS ..... to accomplish what you suggest we need a big sugar daddy . Until ENIC decide they want to cash in we won't have a chance of doing what you'd like. So bring on the kids and see what MP can do with them and our talented squad next season.
longtimespur
Interesting question would be ask whether we are willing to compromise style of play for a result occasionally ?
Highgatespur
Highgate, with MP at least Lamela won't have to have a translator!
Thats Entertainment
TE. True - after a year of being learning the language I'm sure he'll be inning his own English courses!!! Who knows he may be the new translator for MRP!!!!
Highgatespur
*Aplogies !! TE; meant to say "after a year of learning the language I'm sure he'll be running his own English courses!!! Who knows he may be the new translator for MRP!!!!"
Highgatespur
I'll be happy if he just sticks to the football!!
Thats Entertainment
Amazing what a bit of grooming can do for a fella. looking at the pic for the article, he wouldn't score off the pitch or on it at the time!!

enter matt cradle lookalike after a quick makeover, and hes the new saviour of english football! lol! no thanks, we have Eriksen and lamella, we have sandro, Capoue, we have holtby, Pauli Dembele as box to boxers! we are sorted there. Left side sorted, a back up CM and we are good to go!
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin, have we signed a new LB then ?
Highgatespur
BSF,Highgate, for you!

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/update-38-ben-on-pochettinos-schedule.109609/
Dublin Hotspur
If this is true, PJ 1882 would owe me 3 pints! if I could find him……………………………………………………………………………………….

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/update-36-the-goat-on-loris-and-fire-sales.109533/
Dublin Hotspur
I'm so thirsty, where are you. anyone else Ive debated this with like a wager on Lloris??? Double or quits on sold ado staying?

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/update-34-jasper-on-lloris.109528/
Dublin Hotspur
Highgate, meant to say get left side sorted!! lol! obviously our left side is rubbish!
Dublin Hotspur
Thanks Dublin - will be waiting for the ink to dry on that contract!!!
Highgatespur
The best teams is Europe for the majority play the best style of football... There shouldn't be compromise. Playing attractive football like Man city / Liverpool see you climb the ladder. Chelsea are the anomaly, but what have they won lately? In fact they've been bested by the more attractive style of play more times than not.

No one player is an "answer"... Heck even signing Lionel Messi wouldn't guarantee Spurs a champions league spot, but let's face it, Lallana would be a good acquisition. He isn't "needed" but he'd definitely challenge a first team spot. That in my books makes him beneficial, thus an improvement.

Longtimespur - Spurs are one of the richest football clubs in the world, especially if you want to look at our owners bank accounts, they're just simply not ambitious enough to hand any of that cash over.

Man On - what would you do with 2 Eriksons? Grind one into soup?
RyanHotSpur
RyanHotSpur, stupid answer!
MAN ON!
Anyway, Spurs have always been plentiful in the deadwood department. Selling the likes of Holtby, Livermore, Sigurdson et al, freeing up cash to buy some of Pochettino's targets. This in essence allows the kids to play in those silly cup matches vs league 1 / 2 teams and perhaps the odd outing in UEFA. Why do we play the deadwood in those kind of games? They had their chances, they didn't live up to their expectations, move aside and give someone else the opportunity.
RyanHotSpur
Man On! - You loved it really...
RyanHotSpur
I did!
MAN ON!
dont make me laugh RHS where were u this time last year when we bougtht 7 internaionals and paying out a 100mil on players, all we got was big ego over paid and loving life in london
123spurs
dont develop young players?, but hey, bentelab was a lot better then the 17mil we wasted on paulinho he was more flop to flop then box to box
123spurs
and also HK scored more goals from open player then soldado
123spurs
spurs are not in the CL so we cant afford an attract big name players, u living in fantasy land RHS you need to be realistic
123spurs
facts are facts not matter what and soemtimes its hard to accept, truth hurts, we dont a leader on the pitch, alot of important players let us down this season. i dont mind losing but if its with a fight and team effort, last season we didnt play as a team to many individualplayers, unlike everton and pool hense why they finished above us. COYS
123spurs
123spurs - had you ever heard of soldado / Paulinho before they came to spurs? I had not. There is a difference between big name players and overpriced chumps. If we slapped a 30m price tag on Bentaleb does that make him a big name player?

Players will go where the money is, that's exactly how Chelsea and City made their claims to fame. Spurs should follow suit and not allow themselves to be financially bullied out of the best buys. I think you also serious underestimate Paulinho. Considering Chelsea are lining him up there must be something you're missing.
RyanHotSpur
You compare Harry Kane with Soldado and Bentaleb with Paulinho but do you think they are anywhere near the calibre of someone like Lukaku / Lallana. Kane may have netted a couple in his short stint and Bentaleb may have put in the odd good performance in his lucky look in this year but please don't tell me these are the player you expect to propel us into the champions league? They are mid table heroes at best.
RyanHotSpur
yes i have soldado for valencia scored 1 in 2 and spanish international, an paulinho heard of him but not to much but 17 mil was to much after a good confederations cup, dont comapre us with city and chelsea becasue the players only go where the money is, we cant compete with there wages so its a different level city chelsea bought the league, yes im sure we can match the transfer price but if we offer yaya 120 an city and chelsea offer 150/200 where will he go
123spurs
yes i agree they must be something in paulinho we spurs didntee it we saw the bad side of him, jst like verts team of the PL previous and this season he was shocking
123spurs
I have been watching Dajan Lovren in a few highlight clips and reading his stats. He would def be worth a punt. Strong CB, done well last season.

A 100% upgrade on Dawson... BUY HIM
flog Dawson for 3.5m to Hull.


Daley Blind (Ajax)
fantastic potential, awesome LB or DM>..

A 100% upgrade on Rose... BUY HIM TOO.
Rose would be fighting for his place but kept.


Chiriches should be a back-up CB and potential cover to Kyle Walker at RB.



Walker........Lovren.......Verts..........Blind....
excellent.



Lennon & Townsend... big choice which to let go.. Lennon i guess...still like the little fella..



SADIO MANE ... BUY HIM...



LUKAKA or/and BALOTELLI..... BUY THEM (BOTH)...



Hoping Poch can kickstart Soldado... otherwise Adios..


I have alot of faith in Poch to kickstart Lamela's PL career.



Where the feck is Coopsie to do a Nonsense thread.. so we can talk buol*****e.... and transfer biulshuite...
Yidmarks
Yaya is world class overpaid, but why couldn't we have gone harder to land Dzeko / Hazard when they were rumoured to be almost on their way to Spurs?

I think Spurs have more bargaining power than they'd like is to believe, after all for some football is a business, others a play toy.

We don't have to spend stupid money on the Messi's or Ronaldo's of the footballing world but I expect better than bloody Bentaleb and Harry Kane!
RyanHotSpur
these players this will be there 3rd manager in less then 2 years,what does tha say, how many baby sitters will it take, how many hissy fits is need
123spurs
1. we dont have CL and 2. we dont and cant pay the wages they can. they have unlimited funds
123spurs
Next season everyone is expecting the new signings to perform or I am pretty certain the exodus will begin. Pull the positives out however, everyone played bad and we still finished 6th.... If everyone plays well surely 2 places higher is very achievable?

Thing that worries me is when we let players like Lallana go and sign for Liverpool and Lukaku for Everton, it's a double blow. Not only do we miss an opportunity to improve, we allow our rivals to do so.
RyanHotSpur
we didnt buy either of them free and a lot better then the MAG7
123spurs
i expected soldado an paulinho get us top 4
123spurs
exactly as i was saying we were so bad and look where we finished in that time we and AVB and TS. i get where youe comming from.
123spurs
123spurs - We had champions league let Modric leave, signed no one, dropped back out, then lost Bale. Even with Champions League Spurs don't want to spend. That 100m spend last season was hugely contributed to by the Bale sale. How much of that was newly invested cash? Where does all this revenue actually go? All I can say is that new stadium of ours better be round the corner...
RyanHotSpur
3rd manager In one year! It's ridiculous, and why we saw the bad sides of our squad 123.
Dublin Hotspur
How much did the sale of Caulker, Dempsey, Huddlestone and Parker actually total? I guess adding that to the Bale sale of 83m would bring you somewhere close to 109m. Was the CL bonus somewhere around 5-10m for us also? What did Spurs actually spend?
RyanHotSpur
Something called buying the land for the stadium ?
Highgatespur
in frano baldini i trust.not
tarkan mardinCOYS
Franco not frano
tarkan mardinCOYS
http://shewore.com/2014/04/21/spend-net-spend-of-top-7-clubs-over-last-5-years/

according to the above we've made 30m in transfers over the last 5 years, add 5x sponsorship / television deals / sales revenue both merchandise / tickets. Spurs are raking it in. I'd love to see their books.
RyanHotSpur
RHS - go for it - take them on!
Highgatespur
simple facts is the players are to blame, ive been on other sites and talking to others an they all agree that the players are to blame, so dont go with so called popular posters on here casue what they say is not always true, dont believe the hype on here
123spurs
i could give TS best ever stats in PL for us, u say no cup games was added well im sure TS would of winning those matches.
123spurs
123spurs, Hope you don't mind if I re-post a link you referred to earlier in the day, which may have passed some by .... A great read and very enlightening. Guys, have read!

http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.ie/2014/05/how-pochettino-will-improve-spurs.html
Critical_Spur
no worries CS, some bearly read my posts lol never mind looking at a link i posted im glad someone looked at it as we all like to pass on info for our club etc maybe it will take a respected or popular poster on here to make them read it not to worry I thought it was a good read not just for us. COYS
123spurs
different players to blame for different systems and different managers...some are just not up to snuff but our precious homegrown or academy players escape (mostly) the criticism that befalls a guy trying to settle into a new team despite having a massive advantage. Then we hear the tripe PL experience cliche when most of the best players in the league come from abroad or sweeping generalisations like a player from this or that country /continent will fail etc...some settle instantly some take time. If people just engaged brain they would realise there are several factors all coming together that need managing unfortunately our weakest people manager is the guy at the top...as ryan seems to have twigged he is also adept at making people think we're spending vast amounts on players when really we're just recycling players- selling our best and taking a punt on a few more...moneyball may work in baseball but football is a different proposition, keep trying to make money through player transfers will bring us to the point of diminished returns...a negative cycle...and the stadium it could be the millstone that sinks the club...a few years back posters were claiming how great ENIC were for increasing the value of the club to c1b...the penny is now starting to drop that that will mean hundreds of millions walking out of the club in the pockets of ENIC if they sell...and who picks up the tab? the fans...money that could have been used for players will have gone as profit for a billionaire...
shedboy2
Net spend Shedboy, that is a statistic that sorts the men from the boys, the statistic that shows intent on progression as opposed to treading water. Of course some simple souls fail to grasp the simple concept of net spend......
ItalianYiddo
WHLN17, let me give you some TS facts. He was only with the youth set up from 2012, with Ramsey on the training pitch since 2004, and he was with England U16's then. So yes Dublin is right the kids development is all about Ramsey. We may have new now but I do not know if he has left. TS as a manager was inept, as I have said before when near to him in the stand at the. Dnipro game he was telling each player who to pass to. It was U14 stuff. He had to go as he just was not good enough, and the interviews mad him looked worse from a football point of view. That is all history, so we need to move on and support who comes in and thank those who are sold. We all know best where we need to strengthen so let's hope we mainly agree who comes in, but somehow I doubt it. That's what opinions are all about.
CoysRus
LvG confirms how close he was...shame Levy didn't tie it up in writing, our master negotiator got used as a stalking horse....hopefully LvG's star has faded and we missed a bullet by accident....
shedboy2
I agree with posters on here, we need to get our positional players first.. GK. LB CD then organise the squad. At £25m this guy 27 yrs old, one good season breakthrough is too expensive, we have good players like him or better already...
Block D Spurs
LVG was apparently a Spurs fan as a kid.... Then again, what do we Spurs fans know about football?
MAN ON!
shedboy2. I thought LVG said he turned the job down, not that Levy didn't tie it up. Who cares anyway, when we've got the latest PL sensation, Mauricio Pochettino!
MAN ON!
LVG played us to get Man U to sack Moyes and get the job. It might work in our favour, we will see.
Kong
man on- it's my understanding that Levy met with LvG and thought they had an agreement for him to take over at Spurs after the WC...subsequently LvG decided that Manu was a better fit...ie he didn't turn the job down when he was offered it but once he had a better offer...hence my comment.
shedboy2
MoPo has plenty of time to prove himself with his 5 year contract. No guarantee LVG would have been a better choice. Thinking about it, MoPo is probably the better candidate to work with the current Spurs squad. LVG would most likely demand 150m to rebuff the squad, which is what I'll be expecting from Man utd before season starts. Could Spurs have offered him those funds? Most likely. would they have? No... LVG's mind's made up.. Why risk damaging his credibility.
RyanHotSpur
ok
MAN ON!
I was keen on LVG for a while but changed my mind, as I thought he could be yet another controversial figure for Spurs, that we really don't need right now. I'm warming to MP and looking forward to next season. I have my doubts bu,t I've no choice now but to get behind him and hope for the best.
MAN ON!
RyanHotSpur- we couldn't spend that kind of money without selling a few even if we did want to...
shedboy2
michael dawson has found himself a career in broadcasting after retiring
tarkan mardinCOYS
BSF just heard on Talksports from daws himself that they return to training on 4th July.
Highgatespur
BSF just heard on Talksports from daws himself that they return to training on 4th July.
Highgatespur
Tarkan mardinCOYS. Vertonghen is a seasoned international player, who when managed properly, would be as good as anything in the PL. If both he and Dawson were to be put up for sale, then I know which would draw the highest bids, and the contrast in the caliber of clubs that would be bidding, I think those interested in Vertonghen would dwarf the likes of QPR and Crystal Palce, both of whom are reportedly interested in Dawson. As is the case with many Spurs players, both past and present, they are held in far higher esteem by others, than by us, perhaps the problem lies elsewhere than with the player, and this is definitely the case with Vertonghen.
Frank
Just to rub it in, LVG is now all over the internet, telling the world how close he came to joining Spurs. The last thing that I, and I suspect many like me need, is to be reminded what might have been. We almost had the keys to a Bentley, and ended up with a Proton. I suppose we should be used to it by now, this is 9 and counting.
Frank
Loads of talk this morning about Man City being willing to listen to offers for Kolarov. If there's any truth in that at all we should be In Like Flynn!!! Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
Frank. I don't think anyone has said Dawson is a better player than Jan but, did Jan have a better season than Dawson? Is a lack of hard work and effort something to blame a coach for or, is that desire down to a players personal commitment and pride? May be a bit of both? Some players work harder than others despite who's coaching them. It is after all a job they are handsomely paid for. We'll see. Will MP's work ethic sort the men from the boys?
MAN ON!
Just a general comment. No matter what people think of Dawson now, one thing should be remembered; He has given his all for THFC for many years. If every player had his commitment and desire we would have secured a top four place last season. He deserves to be spoken of with respect in my opinion. I know that he is too slow to be a first choice starter but, unless a decent offer comes in for him, I can still see a place for him as a backup player ... and, to his credit, I believe he would still give his all where many would not.
Geofspurs
Highgate-thanks, 4th July it is then. looking forward to that
BigSpursFan
What’s the point of speculating about LVG?! He has never been our manager and it does not matter whether we were interested in him or not. It’s history, and meaningless history at that. Our manager is MP. And the future looks interesting ... which could be worse!
Geofspurs
A fancy car is just an expensive heap of metal when in a backed up traffic jam, still using up a ton of valuable fuel but going nowhere fast. I pass by them all the time on my cheap but very reliable bike, running on sheer manpower, that always get me from A to B.
MAN ON!
What am I talking about!?
MAN ON!
Man on -No Idea? and ignore Doris stokes, I'm happy to debate and have an open mind...some serial posters on here only comment on the other posters, oh the irony but that will be lost on them...
shedboy2
Does anyone know when the first EL game is due to be played. I’m wondering where it fits with our pre-season preparation?
Geofspurs
Geofspurs, I think we are entering at the 4th Qualifying stage which is the stage before the groups, these games are to be played on 21st and 28th August.
Kong
WHLN17: lol
Geofspurs
Cheers Kong.
Geofspurs
James: As hard as I’ve tried, I just cannot disagree with you. Lol I’d be very happy if we got those players in (although I’d settle for one quick CB) ... whoever they might be.
Geofspurs
I thought Daws was good on Talk sport this morning! said he isn't going anywhere. will stay whatever. good banter. lots of positives about the club and the team. nice one Michael, we needed a bit of positive PR!
Dublin Hotspur
Well LvG has come out and proved himself to be a right pr1ck. Spurs fan as a kid and rejected the chance to manage us over some bunch of northern tw4ts. MP is going to prove to be a much better, happier and exciting manager to watch. If he wants Lallana then I think we should get him, 25-30m ok, another 25-30m striker and then a decent left back.

I really feel the majority of our squad are decent players but we had one of the most disjointed and worse seasons for a long time. It must be really hard to play when you don't know any of your team mates, under AVB he changed the team EVERY game i.e. Defoe had a decent game in europa, built up a partnership with Holtby and then on the Saturday he lined up infront of Paulinho who had no idea where he runs. Equally when Holtby played looking for Defoe he found a lacklustre Soldado questioning why no body is running down the wing for him to score a volley (watch his goals for Valencia).

This year with if the Argentinian connection we could have a free £30m player in Lamela. Lamela and Lallana would give us a very strong attacking midfeild, and along with a slightly better Paulinho and fit Sandro would be a match for most midfeilds in the country. Most important thing though is we get proven quality not potential i.e. get Lallana not some £15m kid from Ukraine.
T.H.F.Chris
Dawson is worth his weight in gold for the sheer effect he has in the dressing room. Everyone loves him as a person. It's important to have players like Dawson around, so as long as he is happy to be part of the club, we should be happy to keep him. I think he'd accept a squad rotational / backup role and I couldn't see a reason why anyone would argue that he doesn't deserve that.

Geoff, great comments re Daws.. I wholeheartedly agree.
RyanHotSpur
THF: I agree that we have enough players with potential and anyone that is brought in should be the finished article. We can’t afford to buy risky players if we want to raise our game and compete with the teams that finished above us.
Geofspurs
Few questions for you lads:

If Lloris is sold who would you expect to see brought in to replace him?

If Sandro is sold, what do you believe a reasonable price? And where do you think the money should be spent?

Do you think Bertrand and or Caulker would be good signings for the club?
RyanHotSpur
T.H.F.Chris- if by proven you mean one excellent season in the prem then yes lallana is (as was Gylfi!)...however Konoplyanka is an experienced int'l who has performed consistently at whatever level he's played...is there a guarantee either will do well for us?..no but imo Lallana is too similar to what we have in Eriksen...whilst Kono is a left forward with pace who can cross and score, willing to track back....I'm not sure Chadli will ever get there but he's the closest we have and he's an inverted...for 12m he looks a snip...for 25m lallana looks way over priced for our needs...
shedboy2
Yes yes Dawson for captain next year! He will win us so many matches! What a leader of men! I can't wait to be inspired by his his ummm ummmm 'nice guy attitude'....
Mix26
RHS Lloris has stated he is staying at Spurs as has Sandro and they love the club! Why oh why are suggesting they should be sold? Do u have a problem with their attitudes?
Mix26
Dublin, thought he left Brazil speechless at times when he wouldn't bite - several attempts by Brazil.... Mabbs and Daws will never make it in the media - they never fall for 'trick' questions and remain loyal and dignified. Well done Daws - ideal for the club captain.
Highgatespur
shedboy2, well said re Konoplyanka...
Highgatespur
what's that LvG on about - do we really care ? I wouldn't like it if roles were reversed ... perhaps others were right when they said that his w*orish behaviour was a turn off.... COYS!!
Highgatespur
ryan imo selling lloris would be a mistake....I expect Marshall is on our radar although I prefer Ruddy from the relegated keepers. Sandro should also be held he's a winner and a new coach should be able to get his focus back on being the man that drove his team to win the South American version of the CL!...If he is sold I'd want c16m..we could spend that straight away and bring in...Sandro (Porto LB)..;) Bertrand is not a bad shout and allows Rose to fight for the place but I think we can do better whilst caulker...difficult, I didn't want him to leave but perhaps you shouldn't go back...if he did re-sign though I wouldn't mind...but again it may be best to look elsewhere..
shedboy2
Dawson might be a 'nice guy' off the pitch but does he ever shy away from a tackle or a block? Does he put his head in where it hurts? If the answers are no then, I may've been watching his brother.
MAN ON!
Kolorov's a pretty good shout for left back, as someone mentioned above.
MAN ON!
Lol come MAN ON u clutching at straws there. Should we also polish his useless long balls to nobody?
Mix26
So, am I wrong about Dawson?
MAN ON!
MAN ON is there something wrong with Rose? He is such a good kid who came out the academy. He try's really hard for the team and is possibly a future 3rd choice LB? Surely we dont need to replace him. What would his dogs do without their Evian water...
Mix26
Drink from the tap I suppose........
MAN ON!
Lol thats harsh MAN ON! Very harsh! I may have to call the spca on u.... Saying such horrid truths!
Mix26
Wow never heard of Soldado before he came to Spurs.......

Never heard of Paulinho before he came to Spurs wow wow wow.........
Ossie
I didn't say anything about replacing Rose..... It must be contagious, this reading things into someone's words that just aren't there.... I'm off to take my trusty Old English Bulldog for a walk. Lovely, mild-mannered animal but, you definitely wouldn't mess with him.
MAN ON!
Dawson has the utmost respect from the supporters no doubt but it was sad to see that his influence as a captain and as a player, amongst fellow teammates was decreasing by the game... retain him as a club captain to mentor the youngsters.
Highgatespur
This wearing of the halos amongst the disciples is hopefully declining by the day....
Highgatespur
What?
MAN ON!
So your all on here again speculating who the little LOSER is going to sell and sign again. I appreciate you enjoy to discuss the team you love, but let's be honest here anything you write has little meaning, because the little LOSER will buy and sell who he chooses. The only thing we can be certain of is that the turn over of players that is about to happen, will be achieved though a zero net spend, which means quality players will be sold (which will weaken the squad further) to fund the new players the apprentice fancies. Then your all be back on here pointing out the weak links in the squad as the new seasons begins, and then start predicting what the little LOSERS January 2015 transfer activity might just be, only to be disappointed next January as you are in every January! It's like the movie 'Ground Hog Day' supporting Tottenham with the little LOSER and the Scrooge running the show!!!
Pele10
This Fantasy Football, ENIC Auction House, scrooge disease has become highly contagious...
Pele10
well said Highgate, MAN ON ever the gentleman sir, enjoy your walk.
Mix26
Understand MRP is off to Argentina soon for the month... Baldini - main man ? Any news on the coaches ?
Highgatespur
That’s right, I forgot that bit ... Dawson’s a really nice guy, too. It’s strange that that’s often held against him! One of the criticisms about him is his long, cross-field diagonal passes. They don’t always reach their targets, but then many of our players found it difficult to find their target over 5 yards last season! But, many of those long passes do find their target and have been instrumental in turning defence into a lightning attack down the wing. I’m not saying that Dawson should start a game, but I do think he is worth a place in the squad. I’m not sure if I’m right or if his detractors are wrong ... but I’m sure it’s one of the two!
Geofspurs
Just sharing news, or old news, of the stadium in tonight's Standard

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-baffled-by-governments-delay-to-stadium-goahead-9477590.html
Highgatespur
Why are people having digs at me just for showing a bit of respect to our longest standing player? I'm a bit confused by the responses. I don't think I was being rude to anyone, was I? Why do people want to turn a positive in to a negative? Anyway..... as the kids like to say. whatever! Que sera......
MAN ON!
Geof, I don't think any of us are against Daws per se but just don't see him as the base to build the future of the club. Believe it not I am one of his supporters but long pass of his reaches its destination in about 1 in 50 attempts - his influence on the pitch is on the wane amongst the players. It has been a few years since we produced a lightening attack down the wing under anyone's play!!! But there again we are in agreement with the sentiment of yours, "think he is worth a place in the squad" - a great club captain as in Ledley and Mabbs previously.
Highgatespur
Geoff I could not care less if was used as a water boy, the fact remains he needs to removed as captain firstly and secondly a replacement found. There are a few posters who find this reality tough to take because he is a nice guy, now it seems some are high and mighty enough to criticise others because we have lack of 'respect' for Dawson. It's a sad reality I get it, but I cannot fathom the idea of Dawson in our squad anymore and just the same as Rose, Soldado, Sandro, Paulinho,Jan etc have been criticised but NOOOOOO Dawson seems to have some sort of halo preventing this. Phuck it i'm over it in fact but I cant wait for your comments regarding players. i will be certain to remind u regarding your conduct and lack of "respect"
Mix26
What?
MAN ON!
I think it must be personal....
MAN ON!
MAN ON nothing directed at u sir, u have maintained a very steady stance in the face of some horrid posts and a few sly digs from myself.
Mix26
Frank, I appreciate your disappoint at Levy failing to appoint a top quality coach in LVG. But let's be honest, if we had got LVG he would have walked by January once he had a few dealing with the apprentice back stabbing LOSER. You know what I am saying is 100% TRUE! ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
WHLN17london. I'm not concerned. I just don't get it.....
MAN ON!
Pele10? As consistent as our very own Michael Dawson. G'day sport!
MAN ON!
Mix - I think you just threw a whole bunch of words into my mouth. I'd hate to see either leave but I've become accustomed to Levy selling our best players on. 30m for a goalkeeper is ridiculous.... I'm actually in pieces that Cardiff believe Marshall (29) is worth anywhere near 15m. Forster for me all day long.

We all know the transfer policy is 0 net spend, that's why I'm curious who the fans think would be ideal replacements should the rumoured outgoing have any truth.
RyanHotSpur
Interesting .... would we accept ?!!!
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/06/03/le-balague-fabregas-and-pochettino-would-be-a-fascinating-combin/
Highgatespur
Highgate - we're not shy of signing ex Asenal player but I feel this transfer link is possibly the most far fetched I've ever seen. If Fabregas was to return to the PL he will either choose Arsenal / cash. We are neither...
RyanHotSpur
RHS what rumoured outgoing? Both have publicly stated they staying. Or is it only when Dawson says he's staying that we believe them. Selling Lloris is not an option.
Mix26
Highgate I seem to remember Fabregas been linked with United and him previously stating he would only play for Le arse in the PL.
Mix26
RHS - like all the present news - this is purely speculation ... was just interested if we'd welcome it ... all is speculation
Highgatespur
Mix26, I know, but would he be welcomed at WHL ? All these talk are pie in the sky news any way !!!
Highgatespur
So bergkamp, LVG supported spurs back in the day. We must have been playing great footy and then they emulated it in holland. We forgot how to do it, and the teachers ( spurs) have again become the students!
Dublin Hotspur
Lol he would most def be welcome! What a player! I think that one would sting Le Ars big time. In fact I would predict some violent threats from them lol
Mix26
Highgate - I would be very interested in Fabregas and am not a stranger to querying people's opinions on speculated transfers, however unfortunately I see this one as an impossibility.

Mix - If someone was to come in with a reasonable bid for Dawson I believe he'd be on his way out and probably to the benefit of the club. Please stop putting words in my mouth as your very far from the mark. Can you please point me in the right direction to a link where Lloris and Sandro say under no circumstance they would leave the club this window, because I am under the impression that on football money talks, and doubling their wages could easily turn their heads. They aren't actively seeking a move away from the lane as far as I am aware but let's not pretend a players word is worth anything these days.
RyanHotSpur
Mix26: Not sure where ‘conduct and lack of respect’ comes from, unless you have taken my comments about Dawson personally. If you read them again you will see that I agree that he should no longer be a starter for us, and it follows that it’s not practical to keep him as captain because I believe the captain has to be on the pitch. However, whether there is a place for him within the squad is a matter of opinion. I think there is, albeit a limited one.
Geofspurs
WHLN17 I can't argue that making a profit on him is what our chairman loves best. I believe we would struggle to 1. find the right keeper who can cover the high line defence 2. I believe he will be given the armband like he does for his country. I do remember his mistakes and yes they were silly but because he is used to sweeping up I think he feels the urge to go for it every time. Also GK are singled out (not sure which poster I had the discussion with) because of these mistakes. The positive comments from Hugo and the class player he is make me feel we can hold onto these world class players we keep letting slip out the door. That knock on effect scares me.
Mix26
"All of my focus is on the World Cup with France right now. Do not listen to the media, I will be a Spurs player next season" Hugo Lloris
Mix26
Very well deduced young Dublin!!! My spurs shirt was devoured in Holland when on a school trip in the mid 70s.
Highgatespur
I just wish that Fabregas came here on that reason alone - the reaction of the goons!!! Good to hear that from Lloris...
Highgatespur
WHLN17: Not sure about Lloris. He did make some bad decisions last season but was that because he lacked some faith in the defence which created some uncertainty with his decision making (should I go out or should I stay on the line, etc) and lack of confidence? I don’t think there’s too many reliable GK around. How do we replace him?
Geofspurs
Lots of factors to consider when buying and selling players. I'd suggest an even harder proposition this window. With most countries involved with the World Cup now on lockdown regarding player transfers, this leaves very little time after the event to find suitable player replacement if involved.

Every chance France will make it out of their group and face either Germany or Portugal, I would suggest the earliest exit for Lloris would be 30th June, 1st July. You then have to wait for bids to come in (plenty no doubt, but still time consuming, add to this Levy's hard stance, it becomes quite likely that another 2 weeks could elapse, this puts us in the middle of July, 1 Month prior to Prem kick off.

1 month to scout who we want, make contact, agree terms with club and player and get him settled. Cannot see it, and let's not forget, this is based on a player exiting the World Cup at the earliest possible stage after group games, good chance the likes of Vert's and Paulinho will play further into July.

The likes of those not involved with the World Cup are the ones I believe have more chance of securing moves, some omitted through injury, if not injured, why not at the World Cup?, if not deemed good enough for the World Cup, would there be a queue for their services.

I'm not too concerned with anyone leaving, they might want to, but don't think they'll get to. If I had to put money on any particular player leaving ahead of others...Sandro.
cider spurs
Off Topic: It does seem that AVB resigned in December

http://mobi.supersport.com/football/europe/news/140528/AVB_aiming_higher_at_Zenit
Highgatespur
Good post on Dawson Geof. He deserves some respect and has given his all for this club. He is slowing down and I think he'll be seen as a squad player rather than key player and captain. Dawson is a leader and is still influential to the players. He will take it for the good of the team like a true captain would, rather than sulk. Pocho will want fast players at the back to play the highline effectively. Dawson knows the score. Either Pocho wants him or sell him on. Personally I'd keep him. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
"Dawson is a leader and is still influential to the players."

James, sorry to say but that was less visible on the pitch than ever before. Increasingly so as the season went on.... He ought to remain as the club captain and represent the club in Europa and other cup games.
Highgatespur
James ... I agree with you there, mate. Whatever happens, I hope he is looked after. Not too many club-loyal players around these days, but he is one of them. I guess big business destroys the loyalty factor!
Geofspurs
WHLN17: I guess I agree with you that improving our back four is a greater priority and, if that happens, we could survive without Lloris. I’d hate to see him go though.
Geofspurs
Highgate where in SA u based? Agreed there was a massive break down in trust between Levy and AVB. ( i still think Mr Dim had a part in this). Gave them both a way out I feel.
Mix26
WHLN...Agree ref: The Bids, but still limited time for personal terms, replacement, and associated. We will see, anyway, how's about selling Dembele and replacing with a Liverpool target... Raktic of Sevilla?. 12 goals 10 assists 29 starts last season. Meant to be in the mould of Modric, CM playmaker, 26 and supposedly wanted by la Liga's big 3.

Talk of a 40 million buyout clause, but one season left on contract and Sevilla supposed to be willing to drop to 25 million euro but no lower, current market value suggest 20 million euro. Anyway, regardless, this is the type of player we have been missing IMO, and I'm all for selling two average to goodish players to secure one great one.
cider spurs
RyanHotspur, your analogy re Bergkamp, LVG and others being educated watching the Spurs team of the early sixties is absolutely spot on, yes we were the teachers, but now we are not even the students, we are the spectators. With regards to eras, and when the money came in to the game arguments, unless I'm mistaken we have been owned for 13-14 years by a multi-billionaire, consistently in the top 10 in the Sunday Times wish list, but it hasn't been evident in the fortunes of THFC on the pitch. It isn't only the existence of money that is desirable, it is a great help if the owner is interested enough, to want to seriously invest it in the club, thereby lies our problem compared to others. Skint or hard up we aren't. tightarsed and frugal we definitely are.
Frank
Yes I agree back 4 is priority. If we can bring in some quality across the back 4 and keep Lloris we will be tough to beat imo. SAF commented how good Southampton played Man Utd. They pressed so hard Man Utd couldn't play at all. Man Utd pass percentage was in the late 30s, quite impressive if you ask me. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Mix26, I'm in London , how did you get SA ?
Highgatespur
In fact with the amount of midfielders we have, we should most definitely be looking to offload some and secure a truly great midfielder with the incoming funds.

Think, Siggy, Dembele and Livermore, are they really crucial in the plan of things, or would the monies that would generate not be better used on a true £25 million midfielder?. We would still have a plethora of Midfielders, but would have trimmed, whilst still improving. That's the way to sort this Midfield IMO.
cider spurs
Sorry, but you wouldn't let a top scoring striker go if the midfield is playing badly. The same goes for the goalkeeper, if his defence is playing badly. If he's the best defender, you keep him. I would like to think that Levy will do his utmost to keep Lloris to his contract and, probably, offer him a better one. Without him last season I'm certain we would have conceded many more goals. Lot's of very good keepers around but not many great ones. Lloris, I love you. (He is also the ideal goalkeeper for MP's high line tactic). Hugo, gis a kiss!
MAN ON!
Cider: I think we certainly are missing that ‘one great player’, someone who can win a game with a few seconds of brilliance. Just about all the top teams in the EPL have one but not us, since Bale departed. With the squad we have at the moment I’d happily swap a couple of good players for one great one.
Geofspurs
Dembele coached by Pocho could turn him into a monster of a player. I'd like to keep him and see how it turns out for 2014/15 season. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Lloris missed only one PL match last season due to that nasty kick to the head. It was the following couple of games on his return, that he made errors in. He didn't take long to regain his confidence and was soon back to his best. (The sign of a great keeper.) We all liked Robinson but he never fully got back to being as good as he was before that howler for England. It set him back his career, not just a couple of games.
MAN ON!
AVB was on a contract, why would he accept a "settlement" if he was to be sacked? He wanted to coach on his terms and wasn't to be pressurised to coach on anyone else's hence the coming to an agreement that suited both parties. Termination of contract by Spurs would be the correct term for a sacking and that was not the term used in our announcement of AVB leaving.
ItalianYiddo
Is this real (genuine question ...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=306MpG3YSyE&feature=youtu.be
Highgatespur
On LVG, who cares? Most people in the public eye speak with "forked tongue" for a variety off different reasons. There's an old saying, "actions speak louder than words". He talked a lot about the Spurs job, but chose Man U. Case closed. There's another old saying. "Don't believe anything you hear/read and only half of what you see and you'll be alright". That's pretty much how I look at things and I'm rarely, truly disappointed.

On Dawson, the guy deserves more respect, we don't like it when players disrespect the club (Modric/Berba) but it's OK for us to disrespect players who we no longer deem good enough. Dawson has been instrumental in most of the comparative success that we've enjoyed as club, going back as far as the Jol years. If he wants to remain at the club then at 4th/5th choice he would offer us depth and experience in that position. I don't remember many people suggesting he should be first choice.

@Cider, What do you think about Yarmolenko? His goal scoring stats are better than Kono, and if I right, he may be in his last year of his contract with Dynamo. Would offer us some pace on the left, but can also play on the the right side of a front 3. His goal scoring in league and Europe is approx 1 in 3. He'd gives us pace on the left and would be better than Lallana who is similar in style to Eriksen IMO. Eriksen is better, younger and can do the same job on the left as does Lallana.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Well I guess Poch, Baldini and Levy have now met and things should start moving although I am not sure we will hear much for a while. The WC holds things up and I suspect Poch will be trying to settle in personally with his family, making a move as well as looking at plenty of videos of our players and getting accustomed to his new surroundings.

I personally don't think we need to make too many changes, give the new players another season and Poch a season before making drastic decisions. I do however, think defense needs some work and so does attack. I would not be happy going into a season with Ade and Soldado, if Ade dosn't embrace Poch work ethic and also goes back to his inconsistency and attitude problems that leaves us with Soldado, who may have another dreadful season especially if he as a poor start, his confidence will take another battering and we have seen he cannot work through a confidence crisis. Then that leaves Kane, it's all too risky for me. I feel we need to sell one striker if we are keeping Kane and bring in a new striker, I don't think we can keep Ade, Soldado, kane and bring in another striker as it would be too many. If Kane goes out on loan then may be we can bring in another striker to take his place, but my guess Poch will keep him as a youngster, so if we are not to take any risks up front then I do think a striker is needed to replace the sale of either Soldado or Ade, we just cannot rely on either of them for different reasons.

Who should be sold - I would prefer Ade to go as I have never wanted him at the club, but then again I am not taken to Soldado, not just because he hasn't scored but because he drives me mad.
BigSpursFan
Rakitić is indeed a top player and I agree if we can punt on some of the dross he'd be a good purchase! I think we should go for Mario Mandžukić too, and as I said yesterday Ibrahimovich! We need that X factor player (not Simon Cowell) - someone with a huge ego and expectation to succeed!
chavli
James...I appreciate what Dembele does for us with his tackling ability, love the way he glides past players, but the end product?...Well, that's the point. If we are led to believe Poch likes teams to turn defence into attack quickly, I don't think Dembele is our man. It's what he does with the ball after the run, he dawdles, he may improve, but Raktic is most probably only one of a handful under 28, who is in the Pirlo or Gerrard mould.

He can play CM, and also in the hole (good cover to have), and having both roles the past two seasons his returns have pretty much been the same regardless of position. I believe a deep lying playmaker is a dying breed, certainly a good one, and IMO, played alongside a true mid would best serve the whole of the attacking element within the team.

You've only got to look at the likes of Gerrard, Pirlo, Alonso even Cabaye to see what they bring. Heck, even a mobile Hudd would have been some prospect. I will always maintain, this is a key type of player we have been missing, and one I believe we need, we have far too many samey Midfielders, let's get a truly great playmaker.
cider spurs
Highgate u were using the supersport website :) I see news that Lamela is training with River Plate. Needs to regain football fitness and be ready for pre season. Good luck to the lad! Also hearing rumours Vlad t be sold and replaced with Lovren.
Mix26
Mix26,gotchya ! I tend to have newsnow as one of my favourite sites - it has all the links about Spurs... I am really looking forward to seeing Lamela in full flow... Lovren or Caulker or both ?
Highgatespur
MAN ON .... Good point re Lloris.
Geofspurs
WHLN...rakatic has done alright in Germany also, and let's not forget, Soldado was not exactly treated to great crosses was he?. Some argue Soldado should have done more, maybe, but he was not the only reason for his lack of goals from open play, maybe some quality ball would have helped, and let's not dwell on the misses, they satand out because those were the only quality chances afforded, i expect he was surprised the ball reached him LOL!.

As for Rakitic, you pays yer' money, you takes yer' chance. NOBODY is guaranteed to make it, and let's not even go down the route of Prem experience would be better...Torres blows that myth sky high. All i know is that currently and for a while, Rakitic has been doing the things our team has been lacking, he can play CM or AM, so in theroy could be a very good all rounder to fit the remit, scores all types of goals, assists well, 1 year left on contract, not to be sniffed at regardless of whence he came.
cider spurs
I guess there’s an argument for no transfer action in or out; we have not seen the best of our current players and it’s possible that MP could have a positive effect on all or most of them. Be a shame if we unloaded someone for not performing when a good coach would have made the difference. By January MP (and us) will know how they are all performing, and that would be the time to make any hard decisions?!
Geofspurs
Italian...A question. Do you watch Italian football, have you seen Cigarili who plays for Atlanta?, is he a good deep lying playmaker?.
cider spurs
WHL, just like to put the record straight for the misinformed and the crap talkers which camp do you fall in?
ItalianYiddo
IY, too easy, too easy!!!
Highgatespur
Cider, sorry mate I haven't seen much of Atalanta, but he is easy on the eye, very assured and always seems to have time on the ball.
ItalianYiddo
Cider tbh, I think it's a case of once bitten twice shy with the Serie A and La Liga players bids this year ... but one thing for sure I hear Jamie O'Hara is free - what chances of him coming back ?!!
Highgatespur
Cleveland...Yarmolenko is a tidy player, but is he first and foremost a Right sided player?, I know he can play Left, but how well I know not. On checking it also appears he is at least considered another £5-6 million more expensive than Konoplyanka.

I still say Konoplyanka 1st, but still believe Dusan Tadic would represent a good addition at a very reasonable price.
cider spurs
@Cider, it depends which sources you read, some say right sided, some left, however it does appear that he is comfortable playing all across the front line. He is predominantly left footed though. I think we could use him if we could get him for a reasonable price.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
I know there are immediate areas that need addressing, that goes without say, but I don't see dipping into the market for a player or two from Spain or Italy a major drama. I mean really, how many stand out games for Dembele?, Man Utd stands out back in the day, how many other stand out performances?.

here's the thing, we need to stop this holding onto mediocre or one of many the same type players. The fact of the matter is that since Dembele's first couple of months with Spurs, he has offered nothing of note, we've had this with Lennon for an age now, we need to stop the love in and wake up and smell the coffee, why the wait, what for the 3rd manager can come in and get a tune out of Dembele, it's wrong, not the way to get where we need to be.

Why hang onto players not producing?, has not got to be a first team starter i'm talking about, but cutting out all those who bring little allows us to trim the squad accordingly whilst using the monies to secure quality as opposed to quantity. Yes we need depth, but feck me, is it really a risk to get rid of 3-4 midfielders and look elsewhere for a top one circa 25-30 million regardless of where he heralds, what are those we are selling offering?, why keep them then?.

I know it's not as easy as selling 1,2,3 and buying 4. But we allow mediocre players far too long at our club, waiting for what I know not. Pqulinho, deserves a chance, Dembele...you've had yours, Livermore not good enough, Siggy far too down the pecking order, Lennon, attacking winger or RB back up, chances have been afforded, but not taken anymore or not good enough, sorry, for the rant, but trimming the squad should not see a massive influx of signings but a few quality ones.
cider spurs
Mario Mandzukic is a very good call...if we could get him. Ivan Rakitic...not sure he would fit but a very tidy industrious player...I like our CM's and would not be in a hurry to change any of the four: Dembele, Pauli, Sandro and Capoue...I understand what Cider is saying about a Regista type but with a high back line and the need to press as a unit it's more difficult to incorporate a deep lying playmaker unless he can do the other stuff..I present capoue!...let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater...Imo a LB, left mid, back up keeper and new striker are all we need...Mandzukic, Konoplyanka, LB (choose from a list) and Paul Robinson...;) We are missing the magic from the front 4....and a new LB will tighten up the back, as will playing a DM again!
shedboy2
High ... Not sure if you are serious about O’Hara ... but I quite liked him and, to me, he is a similar player to Holtby. Both have endless energy and enthusiasm. I’m not saying I want O’Hara back but I did think he left too early.
Geofspurs
@WHLN17, Ben Arfa is good, but has gone off the boil a bit due to injury. Wouldn't mind him though as an option. @Cider, I agree about Dembele, I see a great player in there somewhere just desperate to get out, but he can't find the key for the padlock. @Shedboy, I like both Mandzukic and Rakitic, both quality on their day. I also see what Cider is saying about a deep lying play maker, and I believe that we play better with one. So I'd rather we dropped the high line back so that we can incorporate that type of player. Not convinced about the efficacy of the high line in the PL. Capoue, could be OK, still think he's a bit slow though. No good being big and strong, if the other teams' players can just skip around you with ease.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Shed you might be right re Lallana and Kono' but totally lost me when you mentioned Chadli, lets hope Hull come in for him.
T.H.F.Chris
Geof I was joking... I just did that to remind ourselves of the exact point you made - some players think too highly of themselves too soon - Jamie, DB7 and I fear the present LB will be the next one; at least JL listened to himself... I suppose Jamie got what he wanted - 5 mins of fame and his BB wife!!
Highgatespur
shed...Capoue is my dark horse also, Raktic is able to play both CM and AM like Dembele, difference being he provides assists and scores plenty also. Definite upgrade IMO. One DM either Sandro or Capoue (latter would offer more by way of building attack) and either Paulinho or Rakitic alongside. Either Paulinho or Rakitic would offer a good attacking threat when in possession, Dembele is not all that deep back, good tackler, drives forward, no end product IMO.
cider spurs
shed...Capoue is my dark horse also, Raktic is able to play both CM and AM like Dembele, difference being he provides assists and scores plenty also. Definite upgrade IMO. One DM either Sandro or Capoue (latter would offer more by way of building attack) and either Paulinho or Rakitic alongside. Either Paulinho or Rakitic would offer a good attacking threat when in possession, Dembele is not all that deep back, good tackler, drives forward, no end product IMO.
cider spurs
shed...Capoue is my dark horse also, Raktic is able to play both CM and AM like Dembele, difference being he provides assists and scores plenty also. Definite upgrade IMO. One DM either Sandro or Capoue (latter would offer more by way of building attack) and either Paulinho or Rakitic alongside. Either Paulinho or Rakitic would offer a good attacking threat when in possession, Dembele is not all that deep back, good tackler, drives forward, no end product IMO.
cider spurs
Bloody heck!...Hat-trick for Cider!. "Dark horse"...More like a stampede.
cider spurs
3 from open play, Cider!
MAN ON!
Really just the one, replayed twice.....
MAN ON!
Cider, got to agree with you regarding Dembele, I have yet to see why we bought him in the first place. Whenever I mention this amongst supporters in a pub or at the games - weird looks come back my way in the way of ' are you mad ?!!!'!!!

Also agree about the trimming ...
Highgatespur
My point being about Rakitic is more about what he would bring, of course if there was a proven prem league player, chances are he would be a better option, it is just of my view that a playmaker type is what has been missing from Spurs, you know, the midfield and defence splitting balls from deep, the balls out to wing to allow us to play the beautiful wing game we were once renowned for, thing being, these players are now few and far between, apart from Gerrard I can't really think of any top quality in the league anymore. If we are to set up 4-2-3-1 we will need two in the pivot, regardless of where they sit regarding the highline, Rakitic has delivered from CM to AM, whoever gets the gig surely has to deliver, why not one who has proved he is able?, he makes plenty of assists further forward, as well as from deep, happy days IMO.
cider spurs
@WHLN17, Yes, I agree with that, we shouldn't try and do too much business this summer. I'd be happy to shift a few and replace with quality. We need a LB for sure, maybe a LW also, just depends on whether Poch sees anything in either Chadli or Townsend. We also could do with another goal scorer. That again depends on whether Ade leaves, or whether Poch can get Lamela on the pitch or not. I think we will probably need to do something at CB, definitely at GK and maybe at RB also.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Before some get the wrong idea...I'm not saying I want a major influx once more. I'm just working along the lines of getting what we actually need in key areas. 1LB, 1CB, 1LW and a striker. Now two of these players do not have to be first choice, depends who stays or goes, but LB and LW should be signings to be actual first team starters IMO, CB pairing could be Vlad and Vert's so what grade back up required becomes questionable.

On that basis, let's say Dembele leaves, where is the harm in adding a marquee signing and moving on a few others deemed not good enough or too similar in addition to Dembele to fund it. After all, it is only one player.

It has not got to be used as a Midfield model, if Kaboul leaves, sell a few mediocre and put into the pot for a World class CB, I only mention Rakitic, because I believe we need such a player, and IMO he will only get better.
cider spurs
Highgatespur- I'd take O'hara over Rose at LB!...;) Cider - I agree we need to stop holding onto mediocre but I disagree on who they are!...Andros, Rose, gylfi, Livermore imo these guys can all go and we wouldn't miss them...Lennon balances the team and can provide a platform for Lamela to take the right side, Dembele is a beast and we don't lose too often with him in the team...we just need the magic from a front 4 to start scoring and creating;

................................Mandzukic......................
Konoplyanka.............Eriksen.............Lamela
shedboy2
Cider you are spot on regarding Dembele and others, who have been, and are tossing it off. Dembele is a really annoying individual, he is built like a brick outhouse but is as soft as *****e, writhing about, or slowly getting back up after almost every challenge, a bloke his size should be doing the knocking over, instead of poncing about like he does, he always seems to be injured, carrying an injury, or slowly recovering from an injury, when, if ever, is he going to be officially fully match fit . His playing style frustrates as well, he often ignores the easy pass, goes round and round in ever decreasing circles, finally disappearing up his own arse, or losing the ball, or is left sat on his arse following a tackle. He is not a "top 4" midfielder, not even the same player he was at Fulham, we would be well rid, if we get a decent bid, which I'm afraid is unlikely. He is not the type that is likely to take us where we want and need to be. The same goes for Sigurdson, Lennon, Kaboul and Townsend, some of us show misplaced loyalty to mediocre, or permanently unfit players, and see them through rose tinted glasses.
Frank
we'll see how well Verts, Dembele and Chadli perform for Belgium...both dembele and Pauli may come back knackered from the WC...good job we have Sandro and Capoue!
shedboy2
Cider good point regarding end product with Dembele. I'm hoping Poch can weave some magic on him. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
shedboy2, You say it's a good job we have Sandro and Capoue. I agree! But how long for? I will be very surprised if they are both still playing for Tottenham Hotspur come August 2014...
Pele10
Are we getting carried away?
yes, we are. On a strecher. To a hospital. ;-)
Spursfan08
Been away so sorry for not reading above comments first and possibly repeating anyone:

personally I think Llalana is overpriced and not worth that much. we do have players in those positions and I think Pinocchio's remit will be to make the most out of what we have.

As a cheap equivalent for Llalana, I believe David Bentley is out of contract? He could do a job for us :-) I've heard he's going to be the next David Beckham pmsl :-P

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