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Are we getting carried away?

Are we getting carried away?

For every person that claims we are definitely buying Adam Lallana, there is another saying we definitely won`t be. What we do know is that half of them will definitely be right…

Perhaps the question is, whether he or others are right for Spurs and perhaps even more important is whether they are good value or not. Don`t get me wrong, I rate Lallana very highly, however at a suggested £25m. is he too rich and too expensive and would we be better served looking elsewhere. That elsewhere doesn`t have to be for a lesser player, but perhaps one that isn`t quite in the same inflated Premiership bracket, but one that is equally as good and perhaps even better.

We have seen and spoken of someone like Vika Konoplyanka before and he would be valued at around half of what we would be expected to pay Southampton, whilst if Liverpool are allowed to get Lallana, you assume that makes things easier in our attempts to get the Ukrainian. We will of course have the bigger gamble with a player adapting to England and its football, but we also know that paying twenty-five million is no absolute guarantee of success either.

Where we have to be looking is at areas of the side that are weaker. Attacking midfield probably isn`t one of those places, unless we are looking at a serious clear out. We might argue that selling Sigurdsson and Holtby for around £15m leaves us not having to spend too much on Lallana. Throw Townsend into the mix and we might even be in profit. However is that really the way to go and do we really know who Pochettino likes or dislikes in the Spurs squad? I actually seem to recall him trying to sign Andros on loan. Does that mean he rates him?

Although Pochettino and Baldini are obviously going to get a decent sum to spend this summer, you know there will also be a balancing of the books and space made in the squad, but also there will be a demand for youth to be brought in. Is there a potential that a Ryan Mason (remember him) or an Alex Pritchard will be seen as a future Lallana for example.

I vividly recall people talking of Lallana a few years ago, as being too slow, too lightweight and too whatever else. There was always the thinking that he was technically good, but probably just short or Prem quality. Do we as a club and in Poch as a manager, have the character and vision to unearth our own Lallana or whoever else we might be talking about?..



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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Monday June 2 2014
Time: 9:36AM

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25M+ is too much for him and we already have players that can play his role, so I say move on and forget about it...
trevox
02/06/2014 09:42:00
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Sorry, Lallana that is!
trevox
02/06/2014 09:43:00
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Why does anyone think that Southampton and their new manager will want to sell Lallana
Will Tanner
02/06/2014 09:47:00
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I really like the player but not what we need, at not the right price for us at this moment...the timing is all wrong. 12m for Konoplyanka, we should be all over that one....
shedboy2
02/06/2014 09:53:00
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No to Lallana at that price, do we really need him with the players we have, I dont think so. Get our priorities right this transfer window and get players in for areas that we need them otherwise we will be in a bigger mess come the start of the season.
Kong
02/06/2014 09:54:00
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We need goalkeeper cover, a LB and two CB's in my opinion. Chiriches and Vertonghen I'd keep, both hugely talented defenders but we need an injection of pace at the back. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
02/06/2014 09:55:00
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Has Konoplyanka price always been £12m?, if so why did it take Liverpool an age to try and get him in January and it still didn't work, I thought it was over the price.
Kong
02/06/2014 09:55:00
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kong- no....but it's his price now....I think it'll come down to us and Manu (Pool taking lallana)...but you need to flatter and pursue these guys...if MoPo can do that we'll have a real player on our hands...then all we need is a LB and to replace any outs with better ins...
shedboy2
02/06/2014 10:00:00
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WHLN17london it's just an assumption that Lloris will stay but we will need 2 keepers if Lloris decides to moves on. THFC should do all that they can to keep him. Time is on his side. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
02/06/2014 10:08:00
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First of all 30m was too much for Lamella. At least Lallana has EPL experience which was one of our failings last season. We shed too much EPL experience (whether good or bad), and brought in 7 non-experienced EPL players). Whilst guys like Konoplyanka look great, you have to mix them in with good all solid EPL experience to give them a platform to perform. This MUST be the focus for any new signings. Yes EPL experience costs money, but last season cost money too and failed to improve us. Back to Lallana: Southampton are right to "do a Levy" and squeeze every last penny out of any deal - either to try and keep him or compensate for his departure. We completely ripped Southampton off with regards to Bale, and now their face has been constantly rubbed into it as Bale persistently improves and achieves more. BUT I would not pay that much for Lallana. The guy is at the 27 year old stage, where he has broken through. He pretty much cannot afford to spend 4 years at Spurs and fail to achieve anything. If he were 24, he could see how we go for 2 years and decide then. But now, he needs to jump to a team that is "doing it" or "about to do it". Spurs have another transitional season coming up. In a transitional season, we should not be spending big bucks. We should spend it addressing the weaknesses (defence primarily), balancing the squad, and ensuring that we have the right depth in the squad for a whole season (2 players in each position is a start). Additionally Poch should start to look at what players will suit his vision going forward, and which would not. Getting carried away...? No. We got carried away last season. Shedding too many players who technically were inferior but would have performed a bit better than what replaced them.
TonyRich
02/06/2014 10:08:00
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The price associated with a Lallana transfer looks high. Is such a player a priority, particularly when Tottenham needs to strengthen defence?
Airwave
02/06/2014 10:14:00
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There are positions that need to be addressed for their lack of players and/or cover. That's where any money should go and how can Pochettino know where we need new blood until he's assessed the current players. As usual English players are overpriced. The only thing in Lallana's favour is that Pochettino knows the player. £25m has apparently been offered by Pool but Saints say they want £30m. We have youth players that Poch can bring on that will do the job if needed. Pritchard and Wilkes need bringing into the first team squad. We don't need more midfielders when we already have too many. McEvoy could become the next Koboplyanka(?) given guidance and time. . . . . Maurice (Norman) was a winner and Froch is. So were our previous Argentinians. So Mauric .. io Poch .... ettino the argentine will continue in the same vane!!! COYS IMPIT. Only time will tell if I'm right. All IMHO of course.
longtimespur
02/06/2014 10:19:00
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By the time the world cup finishes pre season would have started. We need to identify our targets now and go for them. I don't want to see us sell Lloris or Verts near the start of the season and have no replacements. Time to act now.
Kong
02/06/2014 10:21:00
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26 mil is a lot for Lallana, personally I don't think he'd sign for us anyways. But when you break it down (and potentially offset the fee with sales of 1 or 2 others) then the price is do-able. when I say break it down, I mean look at it as MoPo will be. He needs to know he can trust the players to play his way - high work rate and with end product. Lallana has that. I actually think Holtby can play that role, and would really like to see him given a chance, he's not a bad player and he clearly loves the club.
King26
02/06/2014 10:28:00
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Said it in previous posts, Lallana at 25m is too much. Too many players price tag is inflated after one season. I think we have enough talent at the club for Poch to make our own lallana. Can he beef up Carroll, can he bring Pritchard on and can he improve Townsend. These guys are where Lallana was a while ago, and Poch gave them a go and improved them, if he can do that with these players and some more of our youngsters that is the way to go. I would pay 10m for a player like Lallana not 25m but I seriously think our priorities is in defense and striking positions.
BigSpursFan
02/06/2014 10:37:00
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In both the games I saw lalana in last year (both v Spurs) he did impress but only in short periods of the game. Our midfield did win the games - coming from behind in both. We have Eriksen doing the business in a similar area to lalana - probably our major success story of last year. Do we really want to unsettle that ? Are we really expecting the Board to sanction another £30m investment and in another midfielder ? We seem to have plenty in both of these categories.

By all accounts we seem to have talented youngsters coming through the ranks atm, lets nurture and mentor them in the proper manner; a LB, CB and Wide player are the priorities. COYS
Highgatespur
02/06/2014 10:39:00
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I also think it is a risk buying players who are in the WC because of potential injury. I would deal with what we have, sort out who is up for this season and who isn't and trim the squad and then look to buy in when Wc is coming to an end. I certainly think however, if we can sort out defense first we can start the season as we are and may be get a couple in right at the end of the transfer window after the wc. We don't want to be paying load of dosh for a player who may get injured in the world cup.
BigSpursFan
02/06/2014 10:40:00
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Really no need for Lallana if Pochettino is as good a coach as they say he is, he should be able to identify and coach a player at spurs to do exactly the same job. Townsend, Chadli, Holtby anyone?
LongTimeSpursFan64
02/06/2014 10:40:00
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I think Poch quiet start is good for us. I prefer to hear things but I think it is better for the club that he isn't in front of the camera all the tim. I mean it was getting to be like HR days when Tim was manager, a circus in front of the camera, the media loving him, and both him and HR couldn't see how the media was working them.
BigSpursFan
02/06/2014 10:41:00
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I think Poch quiet start is good for us. I prefer to hear things but I think it is better for the club that he isn't in front of the camera all the tim. I mean it was getting to be like HR days when Tim was manager, a circus in front of the camera, the media loving him, and both him and HR couldn't see how the media was working them.
BigSpursFan
02/06/2014 10:41:00
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Another midfielder!?, we need to sort out the problem areas we have which are mainly 2 x LB, possibly 2 x CB and possibly 2 x CF roles, plus 1 maybe 2 goalkeepers. Forget Lallana, hes decent but over priced.
coys1717
02/06/2014 10:43:00
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oh dear - another love in for the unqualified ...
Highgatespur
02/06/2014 10:51:00
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Think it's already covered that the price is ridiculously high for a player we have a few of already, Lamela, Townsend and Chadli are all younger and will inevitably be of the same quality if not better within a few years. Let Liverfool have him.
Mix26
02/06/2014 10:51:00
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We need a good leftback and a leftwinger! Lallana can play on the left but I agree that the rumoured 25M fee is too much for him. Get Konoplyanka instead! We don't need another AM unless we sell Holtby or Siggy.
Jables
02/06/2014 10:53:00
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WHL, Ramsey was youth coach.
Dublin Hotspur
02/06/2014 10:56:00
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What role does Ryan Mason play in ? He's 23 now - time to move on ?
Highgatespur
02/06/2014 10:57:00
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No we aren’t getting carried away. 25+ plus for him is too much in any case and I don’t think we need him. I expect the club to send out a few on loans and Maybe buy 1 or 2 players this summer. COYS.
SpursOne2
02/06/2014 10:57:00
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Dublin, be careful you might spoil the illusion of grandeur (and the man love-in) I do wonder what's happened to the clamour of clubs after the unqualified 's skills ?
Highgatespur
02/06/2014 10:59:00
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I also think we have loads of talent in the academy, but they are not really cutting it due to generally poor coaching. New staff should kick things on.
Dublin Hotspur
02/06/2014 11:00:00
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Dublin, do you know much of Ryan Mason, we do need to see if there's a need to shed a few of the hopefuls?
Highgatespur
02/06/2014 11:07:00
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Yup there is some positive stuff coming out of the academy. Perhaps young Pritchard will feature Dublin
Mix26
02/06/2014 11:12:00
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Adam Lallana as you say, is without question a very good player, that in all honesty would improve every premier league squad. Be it as a starter or a squad player. But 25m is around 7-8m to much for me. I think Konoplyanka would be a great addition to any of the to clubs. He certainly in my opinion represents better value. The priority really is a new, already very good LB. I see Ben Davies is linked again, although he is a top prospect, he is not what is needed, like I said, a proven top quality LB is needed right now. And after that, the one player I would love us to sign this year above all others, Loic Remy. He would score 25 a season for us playing with the likes of Eriksen, Lamela etc. Remy, Konoplyanka, Lovren/Caulker + any top LB. That will do us.
Guraara
02/06/2014 11:21:00
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Quality player but we have other priorities. Unless we decide to ditch a few from midfield (which is possible) I can't see us making a move for him. But the guy can score and is confident with both feet.
Metal Spurs
02/06/2014 11:25:00
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WHLN17london, I must say this feeling of grandeur must be spreading to the unqualified's disciples. This is a open forum as you previously stated, thus we are open to answer/comment or not to answer/comment on any posters. I don't really think that my level of intelligence and understanding of the game is up to your high standard, thus I think this will be my last response to poster known as WHLN17london. Enjoy your discipleship to the unqualified. FYI none of the postings from the poster WHLN17london will be responded to by me.
Highgatespur
02/06/2014 11:34:00
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Adam Lallana i better than what we have .FACT.the deal is defo doable.if abyone was to stump up lose to 20 million for lamela i would try for this
tarkan mardinCOYS
02/06/2014 11:34:00
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my keyboard is fecked
tarkan mardinCOYS
02/06/2014 11:36:00
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Agree with you Metal spurs... this may be due the hiatus of any proper news and Spurs seem to be always game for the media.
Highgatespur
02/06/2014 11:36:00
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Lot of love on here for Konoplyanka, I was impressed with him when I've seen him play against us, but do we really know much about him? What's his work rate like? Games against England or English teams in europe are his chance to showcase himself for a move, but what's he like week in week out? If anyone know's I'd like to hear.
King26
02/06/2014 11:36:00
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is does seem bizzare that liverpool have cooled on koplyanka
tarkan mardinCOYS
02/06/2014 11:39:00
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great fleet of foot is lallana
tarkan mardinCOYS
02/06/2014 11:40:00
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yes quality over quantity...get Konoplyanka in allow Andros, Gylfi and livermore to go...Bentaleb a loan....Carroll didn't impress last year for QPR just not ready for top of the Pl billing another who needs a loan or sale...Konoplyanka and Chadli for the left, Eriksen/holtby in the middle Lamela and Lennon right...good balance there age experience...Sandro, Pauli, Dembele and Capoue another four for two spots...and there is flexibility all over the place...5 out and 1 in for 12m...and we save on the wages...what's not to like?...
shedboy2
02/06/2014 11:41:00
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i rather him than rodrigues or wanyama
tarkan mardinCOYS
02/06/2014 11:41:00
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25m!? Two PL seasons at the Saints and 4 appearances for England. (All friendlies'). Models for French Connection too. Get him in. Why not? Less work for Pochettino. We should do a swap deal with Southampton for at least 4 players. Less work for Pochettino.
MAN ON!
02/06/2014 11:41:00
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highgate-stop cussing tim sherwood
tarkan mardinCOYS
02/06/2014 11:42:00
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i started watching lallana closely after everybody started to rave about the guy and he is the knees bees.if pool get him wath him fly.yeah his a lot of money but thats football nowadays
tarkan mardinCOYS
02/06/2014 11:47:00
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tarkan mardinCOYS. I agree about him being a good player but who does he replace? Is he 25m worth of priority?
MAN ON!
02/06/2014 11:49:00
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I don’t see any TS lovers or haters on here. I don’t see any AVB lovers or haters on here. I don’t see any MP lovers or haters on here. What I do see is people with different opinions ... does anyone think that’s unusual?! I do see some egos on here who appear to have difficulty in dealing with opinions they don’t agree with. And, to be honest, it spoils a good read. It’s just OPINIONS!!! COYS
Geofspurs
02/06/2014 11:51:00
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As an attacking midfielder where did MP place him in his formations? Right, left, Central?
MAN ON!
02/06/2014 11:54:00
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shedboy2, a lot of thinking there...would like Nabil and Tom to stay at the club this year to truly understand where they are at with the club (new regime and all that)... agree with you on Livermore but not Lennon and I think Moussa might have decided hid future lies elsewhere - never looked happy since he arrived from Fulham IMO. As for Gylfi and AT - will have to wait till January to decide...
Highgatespur
02/06/2014 11:54:00
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Would Hodgson prefer Andos to Lallana if he wasn't injured? As Ox pointed out, Pochettino was looking to loan Townsend. Would he be a replacement for Townsend?
MAN ON!
02/06/2014 12:05:00
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Interesting news...

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/emmanuel-adebayor-ready-for-new-tottenham-deal-but-daniel-levy-may-prefer-the-cash-9470897.html
Highgatespur
02/06/2014 12:06:00
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Highgatespur- he who hesitates is lost! MoPo and his staff will have enough on their plate organising our snr pro's into their formations and tactics....without having to try and make silk purses out of pig's ears...Konoplyanka has consistently shown he's a quality player (against us as well) not just a flash in the pan or a one trick pony...we'll make a profit on the transfers and the wages and if Bentaleb and carol can show their worth we add value there as well...As for Lennon scores as many as Andros yet defends better and provides more assists...he is also a snr 1st team player and provides a solid platform for us to get more out of Lamela from...
shedboy2
02/06/2014 12:07:00
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highgate-i thought you said a while bak you hated all the tittle tattle,yet you dont mind it when it suits you
tarkan mardinCOYS
02/06/2014 12:08:00
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shedboy2, I also think Kono will add value to the team / squad. I do also think that we've lost a number of potentially good players by letting them go to other clubs on loans and invariably disappear from the radar when they return, that's why I'd like both Carroll and Bentaleb to stay at the club, especially Carroll. You seem to talking of Lennon in his form of a few years back, Townsend will benefit from a similar chance - he deserves one at least. I really can't see Lennon improving much ...
Highgatespur
02/06/2014 12:18:00
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Silly season has started. Today we are linked with Fabregas (really lazy journalism), Hamsik (yes please) Ben Davies and Ryan Bertrand and Michael Dawson is going to Hull for a paltry 4m?
vicspur
02/06/2014 12:19:00
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It seems like the only way I get a response on here is when I'm being controversial or posting complete nonsense. Oh well.... Maybe someone else can write my opinions and thoughts on my behalf... I think we'll win the double. When? Next season of course! Up the Lilywhites!
MAN ON!
02/06/2014 12:20:00
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WHLN17: They came, they went, they did their best. They've gone; simple, really. MP will do his bet and we should all do our best to support him, imo. COYS
Geofspurs
02/06/2014 12:28:00
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Lallana is not a £30m player, we have tried buying expensive players last season and look what happened. Lamela is like a new player so lets him a chance. Lets get our priorities sorted before buying luxury players.
Kong
02/06/2014 12:29:00
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vicspur: I thought the 'silly season' started last August! Don't think I could handle another one. lol
Geofspurs
02/06/2014 12:32:00
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MAN ON: That’s a coincidence. I think we’ll win the double next season, too! Hang on a minute ... no, I don’t, I just thought I should comment to make you feel better!
Geofspurs
02/06/2014 12:35:00
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Highgatespur-I'm talking about Lennon now, a few years he wouldn't even be in the conversation...for me Andros has had his chances. The reason players drop off after a loan tends to be they are not good enough...and the ones that could be squad players for us prefer to get 1st team action elsewhere...Livermore a case in point..imo is better than bentaleb at this time, is a homegrown player yet we can sell and not suffer...yet he's turned out less for us than andros!
shedboy2
02/06/2014 12:40:00
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Highgate, don't know much about mason, but assuming he isn't exactly going to burst in to the scene now at 23. Like isaid yesterday. Maybe look at culling those over 22 who haven't impressed yet? Or at least let poch have a good look at them. And let his team take on the younger ones we haven't messed up fully yet!
kong, agree. We don't need llalana. We could get ourselves some top players from big clubs in the positions we need for that money! English seems to increase value by 200%! Remember Townsend touted at 20m.... Lol!
Dublin Hotspur
02/06/2014 12:40:00
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He'll, 10m more and we could have fabregas!
Dublin Hotspur
02/06/2014 12:41:00
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at 12m Konoplyanka is 2 years younger...and there is so much more scope to make the Levy profit on him....
shedboy2
02/06/2014 12:46:00
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Sell some, buy some, easy! Don't cry for me Argentina.... From Bodgers to badges. From 6th to 1st. From Tottenham with love.....
MAN ON!
02/06/2014 12:46:00
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WHLN17: I agree. It’s one thing being frustrated with results and letting off a bit of steam, but continual abuse says more about the poster than the target of the comment. Like you, it’s just not my style, I guess.
Geofspurs
02/06/2014 12:47:00
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Lallana = good player who's value stems from him being English. If he was available for £12-£15m then I would be tempted to try and ship one or 2 out to bring him in. £25-£30m is just ridiculous for a 26yr old who has yet to prove himself at the top level. I'm not taking anything away from the guy but for that sort of money you want either a proven world-beater or a very good prospect with potential to become the next superstar. I think that's what we were expecting with Soldado and Lamela and got burned on both fronts

Regardless of price is he a player that we actually need? He isn't good enough that he will completely change the way we play (like Bale etc) so I don't understand why we would add another player to a position that we are loaded in. He isn't going to go for any less than £25m so lets just forget about it and look at players we need, Like a defender or three!!
hudderspur
02/06/2014 12:48:00
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shed - you say Konoplyanka has 'consistently shown he's a quality player', but have you seen him consistently? have any of us? Because I know I don't watch any of his league games, I doubt any of us do. I'm guessing that we've all seen the same of him, 2 games against us and 3 against England? That's not consistent enough for me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I don't want him, I do quite like the look of him (from those 5 games), but he'd be a big gamble no doubt. It's not exactly tough to perform in the Ukraninan league - and he's not even moved to one of their regular UCL teams...I've got to ask why that is
King26
02/06/2014 12:50:00
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hudderspur... I agree. Not even worth thinking about for that kind of money.
MAN ON!
02/06/2014 12:51:00
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shedboy2, all I see of lennon is the tracking back and covering - the poor lad has lost most of his instincts of before, running at players, beating them to cross for others to score and scoring himself... he's a shadow of all that. If it's the tracking back Lennon we'd likely to expect then let's leave the old one behind and acknowledge the new role... Kono in his place ? Lennon a DLM ?
Highgatespur
02/06/2014 12:54:00
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King26.. I got heavily criticised for saying the same. It's all about the grass being greener. Don't believe the hype. I saw him put several crosses in against us that went to nobody. He scored but so what....
MAN ON!
02/06/2014 12:55:00
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YouTube however is a wonderful resource and a much more reliable one than Match of the Day.
MAN ON!
02/06/2014 12:58:00
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Konoplyanka is exactly the type of player we need. A game changer, add to this the total opposite of what we have witnessed Left side of late, this lad will often be found back helping the LB out, he really does put a shift in. Are we waiting?, are we talking to him?, if we aren't in discussion, why not?. Players of this quality do not come this cheap all too often, add to this Liverpool concentrating on their Southampton players love affair, we should be stealing a march and getting this done. I believe whoever makes the first concrete offer will sign him.
cider spurs
02/06/2014 13:02:00
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Pastore is supposed to be surplus to requirements at PSG, latest I read was available for 10 million euros. Hard to believe, he was circa £30 million 1 season ago, not saying he is needed, but when building a squad, should always look to upgrade the weakest links, if this price is indeed correct, we should have no problem offsetting this with a sale. Add the Argentinian factor, might just have legs, downside...where would he play?.
cider spurs
02/06/2014 13:06:00
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If Mauricio wants Konoplyanka then I'm sure we'll bid for him. I can't make my mind up about players that play in the PL week in and week out so, I don't know. I've certainly only seen the guy play 4 times in total. I saw him go past Nuaghton a couple of times and cross the ball to one of our defenders on more than one occasion. He must have had an off day.
MAN ON!
02/06/2014 13:12:00
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