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ENIC out - Really?

OK, I know I am putting myself in the sights of many of your rifles with this article, but I truly hope you read it, and more importantly comment on this based upon your thoughts of the team/club and not me personally

I have supported Spurs since I could burp COYS as a baby! I have seen Trophy success, I have seen Relegation, I have seen Promotion. I really have been a lifeline supporter of this truly great club.

I have seen fans come and go, I have seen many MANY players and managers come and go. Few things remain - The CLUB, The Motto, The History.

History however is in the past. We need to look to the future. I am seeing increased Hatred towards ENIC and in Particular Levy. Too be honest - it really p***es me off!

Why I hear you ask?

Because without Levy and ENIC we would have no club that has consistently performed (within the top 8 teams) within the Greatest League in the world.

ENIC and DL bought us stability! Yes we have lost players and managers. It's a business! Do you still work at the job you started when you left school? NO! Everyone moves on (with very few exceptions such as Ledley The King for instance) even Managers.

Football is a results game and if we don't get the results we want then the managers ultimately get the sack. It's life, that's what happens.

We however no longer as fans own the club through the stock markets and therefore have no say in who runs the company. We do however have a say in what we feel as fans. That said, after 15 seasons in charge it's pretty certain that ENIC want whats best for us as a club.

They have HUGE plans for expansion which are only being held up by legal matters in obtaining compulsory purchase orders. (FYI once the Compulsory Purchase Orders are sanctioned the seller has 3 years to vacate) so this is not going to happen overnight!

I therefore politely request you get behind DL and ENIC and stop the bitching aimed at them. YOU cannot change what they are going to do and YOU have no say in it. Flogging and a dearly departed horse spring to mind!

Can't we all for once and for all, get behind ENIC, support the players, support the club, AND support the board, and do what we as the greatest fans in the world of this beautiful club do best and Sing about the greatness!

Let's not start fighting within but start SUPPORTING the club!

Supporter (Noun) a person who approves of and encourages a public figure, political party, policy, football team etc.

Now answer this question - Are you a Supporter?

COYS - ILIT - IPIT - TTID

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Date:Tuesday June 10 2014

Time: 8:33AM

Your Comments

Good article, YT.
Geofspurs
The answer is YES!
Geofspurs
Can't wait for this discussion to warm up!
Geofspurs
I'm with you. It's a novel idea and it might work. Then again.....
MAN ON!
YT - You also cannot change the manager, the players or how the team performs, that doesn't mean you can't have an opinion. I would like to read a more in depth article to why you believe ENIC and Levy are the driving factors behind Spurs past and future success, rather than a vague comment on steadying a ship. Many of our fans believe ENIC and Levy have held us back and have provided valid explanations behind their criticisms. It's unfair to expect them to change their opinion without valid reason.
RyanHotSpur
Lovely Levy and Likeable Lewis IN! Where's Erik? ERIK IN!
MAN ON!
Anyway, a sensible business listens to it's customer. Customer feedback is an important part of the development process, and thus ENIC would be wise to listen to the fans in order to maximise tier sales revenue.
RyanHotSpur
YT- You point to a company that got the club for a steal and applaud them for not wrecking us! It's not pretty certain that ENIC want the best for the club at all! especially on field success if they did they may have invested in a couple of decent players instead of Saha and Nelson...however, what is certain is that ENIC want what's best for ENIC and where possible fans should put pressure on them to tie this into what's best for THFC...If ENIC sell for c1b how is that good for Spurs? Your analysis seems a little Naive....you ask us to support the club..we already do..please do not confuse ENIC and THFC they a different and have differing priorities...
shedboy2
RyanHotSpur- who are ENIC's customers? The assumption is the Spurs fans...I would suggest their potential for profit is far greater by selling the stadium...so they just have to sell the property with a viable income so the buyer is their customer!...Spurs fans are just one plank in a strategy...along with Sainsbury's and other viable uses for the venue...but it's the fans that will pay the majority of ENIC's profit...they just need to placate the fans and keep the numbers on the waiting list inflated until they sell...
shedboy2
Considered customer feedback is one thing and subjective speculation is another. Cynicism and wild assumption, that is biased against ENIC's business model, is not an argument against those of us that applaud them. A personal opinion is not a factual reason to knock those that disagree with it. Are Spurs, under our present owners, now in a better and more stable position, both financially and on the pitch? I believe they are. That's okay by me. Naive or not, that's just my humble opinion. I'm happy to let them get on with their job, whilst I get on with my simple and uncomplicated task of being a supporter of the great and wonderful THFC.
MAN ON!
YT_Boy, You tell us to all keep the faith to stay loyal to owners who have the worst trophy per season stats of any THFC owners since world war 2. Who have failed to reach a single FA Cup or European final in all that time, who have been totally dominated both on and off the pitch by the clubs main competitors for each and every season ENIC have run us, AFC. You tell us to stay loyal, when the football mercenary who now owns us has shown no loyalty whatsoever to any of his previous 5 pro football teams he has owned. That he has bought and sold Name me any multi billionaire anywhere in the world who has owned shares in more pro football clubs than Joe Lewis??? Rangers, Slavia Prague, AEK Athens, Vicenza Calcio, FC Basel and Tottenham Hotspur??? You tell us "Football is a results game and if we don't get the results we want then the managers ultimately get the sack." So the managers, who don't get the results, must get the sack, but the chairman who hires and fires them, chooses should be immune to the sack, despite his appalling record of hiring and firing???
Pele10
Big Bucks and the ridiculous financial reward for the successful and even not so successful, in the sport, can be seen to have ruined the beautiful game. If I forget the bottom line, which is simply the fact that I love football, then I'm lost. Levy is not a centre forward and Lewis does not pick the team. Up the Spurs!
MAN ON!
YT_Boy, You tell Football is a results game and yet you happy to keep the faith with an owner who has been a virtual total failure on the pitch, who has been totally dominated both on and off the pitch by the clubs main competitor. Of course your 100% correct! Football is a results game! Which is why ENIC must be driven out of OUR once great club. Because on a results basis they have been a total disaster!!! Look at the THFC honors list since ENIC came and then compare it to that of our 2 main local rivals rivals CFC and AFC. JOE LEWIS OUT!!!
Pele10
RyanHotSpur - That assumes the customers are rational. Expecting the sixth richest club in the premier league to be consistently in the top four is not rational. Thinking that you can keep firing managers and be successful is not rational. One of the strengths of John Henry at Liverpool is he doesn't listen to the customers. When Liverpool finished seventh he ignored calls for Rogers to sacked and just let him get on with the job.
jod
What needs to be distinguished, and more so, remembered, is the idea that ENIC wants what is best for ENIC, that does not necessarily point to what is best for Tottenham, they are two different parties, but united by one thing. Money.

Of course ENIC would want Spurs to do well, it is a given, the more successful a football club, on the whole, the more money it generates. However, ENIC are not into the idea of taking Tottenham to the elite status at all costs, they know this costs money, and is speculative, a risk if you like. All sound businesses are usually all about identifying risk and eliminating, therefore, is it really beyond belief to realsie that our current business model only allows for a ceiling to be achieved?, a level that I believe we have reached.

Let's be honest, the only way we are going to take the next steo is to have a rich sugar daddy who is prepared to spend his own wealth, and right it off if need be. The Russian at Chelsea is in to the tune of over £1 Billion, think about that, actually think about it. That's roughly a 1/3 rd of Lewis' wealth, crazy money, but money that sees them in the champs league more often than not. City themselves now pumping large sums into the team, it's no coincidence that the better teams are those assembled with the more expensive players.

ENIC as a business as opposed to a rich mans plaything, are not going to pay for a team of the Worlds best players, far to risky for them, it will tear up their business model, the one that sees us buy the unproven to an extent and sell for profit, as opposed to buying the proven and usually getting the best years out of them and taking a hit, offset by the monies the silverware and elite competitions bring. Far too risky, so on that basis, whilst I wish ENIC would go the extra mile once in a while and make the difference when good opportunities present themselves, I do appreciate where we are as opposed to where we were, but if we are truly to compete, then a sale has to be inevitable, hence their reluctance to make it anything other than stable and safe by spending wildly with no guarantee of success.
Cider spurs
They are doing good, I don't want a huge take over, that is the problem of the world, greed, instant gratification and I don't buy into it or live that way. It's bad enough as it is, all football being a business but to have a sugar daddy makes it worse, you buy success not win it. Levy make bad decisions, all businesses do, but he has kept us competing and afloat in a mad world of football. he will be here for some time imo he wants to build the stadium, that is his dream, he is a Spurs supporter, would any of us leave if we ran the club we love.
BigSpursFan
trouble is we're damned if they stay (and continue not to put money into the first team, not their own money but the freshly raised revenue from the past few years!) which means years of mid table mediocrity and damned if they go as the new owner will need to recoup his investment and more likely want a healthy return!(if they can sell for anything like the figure the desire)...
shedboy2
I know the touch paper has been well and truly lit :-)

Pele10 I appreciate you are Anti Joe Lewis, ENIC and DL in general but can you change them running the club? Can you buy them out? Can you borker a deal to replace them? Didn't think so!!!

Therefore get behoind THFC as a Team, as a Club, you claim to be a supporter. Nothing personal buddy but with you supporting us like this, I'd prefer it if you support the gooners!

It's all well and good having an opinion, but you just have a very obvious hatred (not dislike) for the board. See my definition of Supporter in the article... From where I am sat you are not supportive.

Through Thick and Thin, I will support THFC no matter WHO is in charge, no matter WHO plays. to quote a Legend - "This is MY Club, my One and ONLY Club!

COYS ILIT TTID
YT_Boy
Great post Man On, about where we are now...
Ossie
one of the disadvantages and at the same time advantages Levy has is he is completely money orientated, its an advantage because he will always get the best deal for players, sponsorships etc, as a result we've seen some of the finest players come in and out of our door, many of which have made there name and gone on to play at the very top of the game. The disadvantage of this is he's often overlooking what we actually, manager wise its been a disaster year on year, playing staff, we always seem to be over stocked in one area sacrificing another, weather it was him or Baldini that thought it would be a great idea to have a zillion midfielders and a single LB with 1-2 full seasons of premier league football either way it was a massive oversight which cost us points. How long have we been waiting for a leader in the middle or a decent striker? For years i accepted that players need to be sold to bring in more players, that where we are as a club, and i'm pretty sure Levy uses it to bring talent like Eriksen, Modric, etc through the door, but his managerial appointments and his lack of (insert) to climb that extra couple of steps have really p**sed me off over the last 10 years.
coys1717
YT_Boy (ENIC apologist) tells us, "Let's not start fighting within, but start SUPPORTING the club!" Lets no fight within he tells us? When all we the fans see (have witnessed for 14 seasons) is Daniel Levy fighting within! With his DOF's, his football coaches, his players, with local business's, with the local council, with the OS committee. That's all the little LOSER does! Fight, get into legal disputes, and contractual terminations with the very people he chooses (hand picks) to employ! He hires, then he fights, then fires each and everyone of his head coaches and DOF's... ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
I actually mean't to say, 'objective speculation'...
MAN ON!
Totally agree with the article . I get as frustrarted as anyone, particularly when you feel you are nearly there on the cusp of a real challenge and you get your legs cut from underneath you. However Ive said many times be careful what you wish for. You need only speak to the Cardiff City fans in my office who reached the promised land at a massive cost. I have a signed spurs photo in my house with the team pre Enic and it really does beggar belief. Bunjevic, Acimovic, Doherty etc. The only thing more depressing is that it cost me over 200 sheckles FFS, it truly is shickingly bad and how I managed to brainwash my kids with that lot is some achievment. There is simply no comparison to what we are today and the fact we actually have or had players that the likes of Madrid covet shows the improvement. Could they have done more to keep the likes of Bale or Modric??? Maybe, persoanally I thought they did as much as they reasoanbly could. Enic are accused of being in it for the money,but that is modern day footbal, life in general, capatalism, globalisation etc etc. Unfortunatly its just the way of the world. I hate it as much as the next man, but it isnt changing any time soon.However with the exception of a certain rich Arab, or Russian Oligarch I feel safe under their stewardship, we may not spend as much as these clubs but we havent exactly been stingy in the last decade, and have been more than competative in the transfer market and landtake for the stadium. The market was settling down 5 or 6 years ago but Citeh have unfortunatly muddied the water and created more imbalance & again a spike in transfer costs now increased further with the likes of PSG, Monaco, Zenit etc. We are unfortunatly playing catch up for the woeful 90s where we lost huge ground. Levy is also accued of being trigger happy. Do we honestly believe he wants to spend £5m a pop on compensation. Im sure he like every other Chairman would like 10 years of stability with success. Howver 10 yeas of stability with the right man is great, stability under the wrong man can send you a long way down. In their time only Jol was really unfortunate imo and he hasnt exactly gone on to prove sucesful since. Every other manager had either proven not good enough, or in Harrys case had gotten too big for his boots eith the England scenario. Lets not forget AVB had enough and wasnt neccasarily pushed also. The next argument is, "but Levy employed these people" look at what Liverpool etc have done recently. Ask any Liverpool fan and not one had any real faith in Rogers, the same with Martinez at Everton. With the exception of Mourinho every manager you employ is not a garuntee but a leap of faith. Liverpool landed on their feet, we didnt, as did countless others. Enic obviously favour the Tecnical Director & HC pproach as this minimizes the impact of transition hopefully Poch gives us the stability we need.
gatch75
@jod - brilliant point regarding expectancy of the sixth richest club in the PL to be in the top 4! We have been punching slightly above our weight in recent times and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. We can look at history all we want, but the fact is that we are probably where we should be at this moment. I tend to agree that ENIC have brought us around as far as they are willing to and I think they are trying to do what the Arse did. And if we are being honest, no-one would complain if we got a Wenger type figure and transformed the club without needing a sugar daddy. Chances of that happening are slim though. I like the sentiment of the article - if you look at other owners/chairmen, are we truly that bad off? I mean, the grass isn't always greener and all that...
trevox
Coffee smelling course required!!

ENIC have done a good job but they have also taken Spurs as far as they can, if we are all happy finishing between 5th and 8th every year, with the odd 4th thrown in and maybe a cup run to end in tears way before a final then you're right ENIC are great.
I for one am fed up with the constant change, change in Manager, players and even direction. You point out that people move on and you're spot on, people will always move on to better things, the question is why ENIC and Levy are not trying to make Spurs that better place.

I do totally agree with you regarding getting behind the team/players/manager, any frustrations should now only be directed at Levy as he is the one that has got away with bad decision after bad decision. When a manager doesn't achieve the given target he is changed by Levy, we really need Levy to be under a similar microscope!!!

Let's all get behind Poch and the team, turn WHL into a fortress where the noise alone frightens the opposition, the atmosphere at every home game should match the level of the Champions league nights. Oly us fans are to blame for that.......
yiddyboy
It could be worse..... It could be better. It ain't that bad though, is it? Spurs are just one of the vast majority of football clubs that haven't won anything for a while. To be where we are without the substantial financial reward that winning trophies and continued CL qualification alone brings, is pretty good going, especially when we look down the league to where so many of the other 'great clubs' are now at.
MAN ON!
gatch75 - AMEN BROTHER!!!

COYS
YT_Boy
Another manifesto ENIC IN PELE10 IN, JL,DL OUT someone please let Pele10 there is NO election. Put up the money Pele10 for the takeover - about time ?
Highgatespur
From a business side Enic have been very good. Unfortunately the club hasn't quite moved to that next step and I believe ENIC want that. In many ways we are looking for our own 'Wenger' (sorry to bring them in it) but now with Pochs, unless he really messes up we should have a manager for at least 2 years regardless next yr of not getting CL football next season. And if he messes up, then the Levy would be under pressure, to ensure the footballing side is run without some of his inteferences or get a structure that suits a type of manager, which I believe Pochettino is a better fit, than Boer and Gaal. For no matter how good the manager they must be able to work with Levy and Co. Only Ancelotti or Benitez (no way!) might work well with Levy and Co.
T-spur5
One thing I dont agree with is this notion that if you pay the 6th highest in wages or 6th in transfer fees thats where your destined to come. Dortmund, Liverpool and Athletico have ended that notion for me. Get a team of quality players, with a common goal, a collective spirit and team ethos and a smart coach and you can achieve great things. We have most of those attributes in place imo & we are very very close to having sucess. I think thats what makes us get so wound up with Enic. Just when we are about to mount a challenge we get cherry picked and we seemingly start from scratch.
gatch75
ENIC brought us the stability of a sub-top club. But what really a glorious club like Spurs needs are owners who have the financial and managerial ability and willingness to bring the club where it belongs: the EPL and international top. We aren't WHU or Fulham. It's a pity that there are some Spurs fans who have the same ambition for their club as the supporters of the aforementioned clubs: to reach the sub-top of the EPL and to win once in a few decades a trophy.
Ioan X
Chris Zacharia. One double and that was 53 years ago.
MAN ON!
Good post yiddyboy...
Highgatespur
Some supporters of THFC support Enic. Some supporters of THFC donít support Enic. I would imagine thatís fine by Enic because you canít please all of the supporters all of the time, and Iím sure they can live with that. The reality is that Enic Runs THFC and that wonít change until Enic wants it to. The only choice supporters have is to keep on supporting the club, or stop. Thatís not a choice for me.
Geofspurs
I have accepted that under ENIC we have reached our ceiling , they have a plan to sell , i'm sure they know at what price they will sell and don't want to take the club above a level that will narrow their potential buying market . As a supporter it frustrates the hell out of me as my only focus is footballing success . I would loved to have seen ENIC have as solid a footballing strategy as they do financially , actually over recent seasons any semblance of a footballing plan would have been appreciated . I live in hope this season see's a change .
sandroman
100% agree with the article. No person or regime is perfect, and ENIC, Levy etc have not been perfect. But they have progressed the club, and the team in more than one way. I have seen the progression we have made, and I see little reason to believe that our progression will stop. I want us to continue to progress, and a change of ownership could jeopardize that, and could bring us back down to pre-Enic levels. I acknowledge that a change could also improve us. You never know. But until I see us significantly faltering, I am more than content that the job we are doing from Jol, Ramos, Harry, Avb to Poch vastly outweighs the Ardilles, Francis, Gross, George Graham times. We have hit the buffers a little since Harry, but still in there. Still in with a chance of getting our goals. If we stay thereabouts, we can get the stadium in and truly make great strides. The worst thing we could do is let it slip, get the stadium in, but cannot fill it because we have become a mid table team again. People consider not getting 4th as a failure, when we have only finished that high twice in the EPL era. 5th is not a failure for us right now. People talk about the frequent manager changes.... Well if you look, nearly every team changes their manager just as frequently as us. Alan Pardew is one of the longest serving - and it ain't that long! Besides, would you want him as our manager for that long....? Or AVB? No thanks. If the football is dull for 1.5 seasons, or you are in danger of finishing several places below expectation, or even look like relegation is certain, then sacking the manager could be seen as astute. Plus the frequent manager changes have not really affected us too much: 2x Fourth place, 4x Fifth place, 1 league cup across four managers. It could be a lot worse. Changes in OWNERSHIP would hurt us more. I would rather have ENIC than most owners in EPL anyway, because there is proof of improvement. To sum up, yes mistakes they made a few, but I still see us moving onwards and upwards.
TonyRich
Good post, gatch75.
Airwave
Geof, if that were to be completely true, we'd still have Mr Sugar at the helm !
Highgatespur
Geof, if that were to be completely true, we'd still have Mr Sugar at the helm !
Highgatespur
Chris Zacharia, surely you have to consider where we have come from when weighing up success. Unfortunatly our biggest down turn on & off the pitch coincided with the start of the PL and we lost massive ground on our historical competitors. We literaly lost 10 years in stadium development and our investemnt in the team was woeful. Success is relative but lets not forget we hadnt had any European football for years until Enic took over now its a disaster if we dont get 4th. Through good investment and scuting we now sign the likes of Bale, VDV, Modric Berba, Paulinho,(cough) in place of Doherty, Bunjevic, Tramezzani, Toda, Berti, etc The list is endless. We cant just compare Spurs now to the 60s or 80s. Its a totally different animal and a totally different race. Sadly we started way down the pack but weve moved forward. What frustrates imo is that feeling of so near yet so far.
gatch75
Blind faith in any organisation is never a good thing. I can't agree that we all should be signed up members of the ENIC flag waving brigade because they are associated with Spurs. I believe everyone is entitled to be questioned and examined on their performances and motives. A healthy audit of perfromances is always a good thing and generally leads to a healthy and more productive position. All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

However I have checked the spelling in that last quote and it does infact say EVIL and not ENIC. They have improved the club finacially, have improved the infrastructure of the club considerably and are in the (very slow process) of improving the stadium. Success measured poorly in trophy haul hasn't been great, the lack of stability within the club hasn't help this situation. In fact its one of the big conradictions of the ENIC era, they can patiently wait decades for the Stadium to be build so that ENIC may sell us and achieve huge success but wouldn't allow managers more then Eighteen months to over achieve with the squads we have. If they applied a little more of that business savvy to the footballing side of the house maybe Pele10 would be Joe Lewis and Daniel Levy's biggest fan.

In summary and to qoute probably the greatest polical party of all time: "A lot done more to do".
Slurms McKenzie
For those people saying " be wary what you wish for " in regard some wanting ENIC out , when the time comes for ENIC to sell i'm sure their last worry will be for your welfare as a supporter of SPURS , at the time of sale if the new prospective buyer appears to be a " Tan " or " Venky " i'm sure their last concern will be for the future of SPURS as a footballing entity , their only question of any new owner will be " is the money in our acct yet" . There will be a gamble whenever they sell .
sandroman
Yes we need stability with the running of the team, I do not question that. We need DL and Co to get us a manager that we can have a 10 year run with knowing the club is performing on the balance sheet aswell as the pitch. I truly believe that is what Daniel Levy has been trying to do since he came in. He has made mistakes I'm not questioning that. I actually thought once HR came on board we then had the next 10 Yr manager (Up until Capello quit England and The HMRC issue!)

Is Poncettino the man to do it for us now? Who knows? All I know is I am behind them no matter what. I Love this Club!

I am sat writing these posts wearing my Spurs shirt! Over the numerous decades I have supported this club I give them 100% everytime.

Yes I want 38 wins a season, who doesn't?

I would Love to see trophies lifted season upon season, I do however believe those days will come.

You may call it blind faith, I call it Being a Spurs Fan!

COYS ILIT TTID
YT_Boy
Fair comment Chris Zach. although imo the ones who compare us with a bygone era with a divine right to success need the reality check. With the exception of City and Chelski who dont have to consider any form of budget I think we have the best of the rest. The alternatives that the majority of the others have are either your Ashley, Lerner, Allem, Tan, Venkys, who have ripped out the sole of the club or Gibson, Kenwright who are the old school local boy comes good, loves the club but hasnt got a pot to ***** in compaed to the rest. Liverpool are flavour of the month for no other reason than they came up trumps with Rogers. We just havent found our Rogers yet, but its not for the want of trying.
gatch75
I think it is time for a Oligarch or a sheikh or a US businessman or a Spurs fan residing in Germany to come forth and buy the club and help us reach that 'dreamland' that most of us wish for. In the meantime, I hope that DL steps aside to concentrate on completing the "stadium project" as well as attract new investors / investment opportunities for the club. DL has proved to be wanting in the role he has now and he of all people ought to realise he isn't good at it. I would hate a takeover from someone else than the ones like at Citeh and Chelski. Time to put aside the romanticism of succeeding without these money makers. It can be done in a very positive way. COYMS!!!
Highgatespur
I see we missed out on Joe Cole, ENIC Out!!!
Slurms McKenzie
And we will have success if Poch comes good. Its as simple as that. Investemnt is not the problem, we have not found the right manager, or Head coach in decades. As Ive said before its easy to blame Levy but its a leap of faith. Ramos in theory ticked all the Boxes, Hoddle was seemingly the perfect candidate ticked evry box and then some, AVB had the credentials etc.
gatch75
Wigan Athletic, FA cup winners 2012-13 and semi-finalists 2013-14. Where are they now? Man City, FA cup losers, 2012-13. PL champions 2013-14..... It's not just a question of winning the odd cup every now and then. Football has changed and money dictates continued success, not the ability to win the odd cup here and there. Are Wigan Athletic to be considered more successful than Spurs? They are certainly not in the same league as City.
MAN ON!
YT_boy , I think the days of 10 year managers are gone , not just the PL , all over the world manager's tenure's are rarely more than 3 or 4 yrs , less if no apparent quick improvement . We'll never see the likes of Fergie or wenger again . Everybody wants it now , just the way of the world now . I see it in all sports not just football . Even LVG at Manure will have an axe over his head , they wont accept just a gradual improvement ,they will expect success if not next season definitely the one after or he will be gone .
sandroman
Man On they're not in the same league as Spurs either...
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms McKenzie... You know what I meant.
MAN ON!
Dan , "we are running at a profit year after year" , wrong , ENIC run a profit year after year , I've yet to see a penny . As for running closer to the rich boys every year ,well last season we finished further from them than we have for the last 5 . Just another idiot's view tho .
sandroman
It all becomes easy once you realise and accept the situation that is ENIC. Very easy to question lack of trophies Champions league etc since ENIC came in, after all, City were constantly winning the prem pre money weren't they?, Chelsea added to that fact, always first in the queue for the Worlds best players pre Oligarch money, right?.

We have not fulfilled the ambitions many of us desire granted, but that is because we do not have the resources, forget Lewis is vastly wealthy, he chooses to spend elsewhere, therefore our finances are far inferior to the likes of Chelsea and City, strange that they are winning leagues and qualifying if not winning the champs league. How can we blame ENIC for that.

We are run by a completely different business model, one that will forever see us be roughly where we are with maybe the odd over achievement thrown in. You can be miffed that we are behind at the races, but if you never understand that under ENIC this is our lot, you'll never be at peace.

Let's look at it this way, I'd suggest if we took the City and Chelsea money away, they would be hard pushed to eclipse us season on season, it really comes down to us doing a grand job, but we are defeated by those who are owned by people prepared to spend far greater sums of money. Say we start spending the same as Chelsea and City on players wages and signings, then they get took over by even richer owners, ones prepared to offer even more in signing players and wages, are we not left in exactly the same position as present?, most things in life will have a limit that people are prepared to pay for, whether it be cars, houses, holidays the list is endless. Football is no different, we have owners who are only prepared to spend so much if any of their wealth.

You can be miffed by the fact that they don't spend it on the club, that's fine, but please do not believe they have been poor at what they do, they are very good at what they do, the problem being, it does not fit in with what we want therefore it's deemed poor. They are actually very good at keeping us at the level they are comfortable with, like I say, everyone has a price they are comfortable with, a limit. Our current owners choose to operate at this level and actually do it rather well.
Cider spurs
Spot On Cider
gatch75
Slurms, Fianna FŠil, 2002. Boom then hugely bust lol! Very fitting to the potential success or demise of THFC!
Dublin Hotspur
LOL!...Point put across...and no need for me to call anybody an idiot.
Cider spurs
Chris .... Over the next 13 years I expect to see a new stadium to go with our state-of-the-art training facility, a competitive football team (no matter who theyíre playing against), a team competing for the game's highest honours, and some silverware. But, whatever the next 13 years brings, one thing is for sure ... Iíll still be supporting THFC.
Geofspurs
Good comment, Cider. Thatís how I see it, and thatís how Iíll enjoy it.
Geofspurs
As a businessman, I can honestly say that I have not seen Levy run Spurs optimally for a decade. What do I mean by that statement? First of all, Levy is fantastic on the top line i.e. the revenue. He has grown it by tireless work with getting sponsorship, maximising gate receipts and by our constantly high position in the league with the Prem / TV money. However, when you look at the bottom line it's not such a pretty sight. Every year Levy's company wastes money hand over fist. We either make bad purchases or we waste millions on salaries of surplus players who have no tangible benefit to the 1st team. He has let squads proliferate and not stood up to his managers and DoF's and made them work within boundaries. Let's face it, we can all name loads of players who have been more of a financial burden than a football benefit to the club.

My other beef with Levy is his people skills. I honestly don't believe he can read people as well as most MD's or CEO's. He comes across more as a back office guy rather than a sales and marketing DNA where you expect the relationship building and judgments to be sound.

That all being said, let's not forget one thing. Football clubs are tiny, tiny businesses that would be small blips in the real world of commerce. Don't confuse the fact that they are in the public eye with no ability to hire and pay for the best professionals. The players get the lions share of the OPEX and the office staff are just on a par with the rest of us, if that. If Levy was a top, top businessman then he would be earning 3 times as much in the finance of IT sector and leading armies of staff. He probably has a staff of 50-100 people which puts him in a middle to senior manager position in most companies. Let's face it, he's no Joe Lewis or Alan Sugar. He's just a Spurs fan in an MD position of a very small company in the grand scheme of things.
muttley
This is simply a debate between those who are happy to sit pretty in that 5-8th spot and never win a cup and those who would like to see a gamble on new ownership to push further. Sure sometimes it's better the devil you know than the devil you don't but I think in this case it's pretty obvious that Spurs aren't going to go any further without some investment in the team. If ENIC was to throw 50-100m of their own money into the club transfers I think people would take to them better, as their ambition would then reflect the fans. Unfortunately ENIC only recycle the cash in flows, which simply isn't enough to win you a Champions league place let alone a PL title... ENIC are more than capable of injecting huge cash flow into the clubs transfer kitty, but perhaps they are unwilling.
RyanHotSpur
ENIC will sell when the stadium is completed. In my opinion either to maple leaf sports and entertainment, or to a Chinese interest ( hint, breaking the huge potential of the Chinese market through our sponsorship deal with AIA). It may happen sooner but I doubt it. The boys know what they are doing with the prep of the property side of things, and the courting of potential suitors. A rush on this process could land us with a Vincent tan or venky type owner. Or a massimo cellino type who is in it for a very quick buck! ENIC have gone as far as they can with on the pitch success ( or lack of), but as slurms, or rather Bertie aherne eluded to, there is indeed a lot done, but some more to do with regard to shoring up both ENICS and thfc's future.
Dublin Hotspur
RyanHotSpur. No, it's not "simply a debate between those who are happy to sit pretty in that 5-8th spot and never win a cup".
MAN ON!
May I also add that the 11 seasons since the Russian took over at Chelsea have seen them only fail to finish top 4 once. 11 seasons prior to the takeover saw them only finish top 4 twice.

Pretty much par with ourselves, could it really just be all about how much money an owner is prepared to put in?, of course it is. But at no point should this be deemed as ENIC doing a poor job, agreed there have been a few times where I feel they should have capitalized more, but on the whole, you have to look at what they are doing within the finances they operate to consider good or bad. I'd suggest good, but we want more, but that's a financial request as opposed to an operating issue.
Cider spurs
We're gonna score one more than you................ I'm off to buy Wimbledon's old stadium... There used to be a football club over there.
MAN ON!
It really is MO... Do you want to see Spurs win something, do you think under ENIC they can?
RyanHotSpur
13 years is nothing! THFC has been at WHL since 1889.
MAN ON!
RyanHotSpur. If Soldado can score a few more, yes.. Seriously, It's not just about winning stuff anymore but, I have no reason though to predict that we won't win something in the near future. I don't know, is the simple answer.
MAN ON!
Chris Zacharia. They didn't tell him where to go but they did ask for a lot of money. He was advised to turn the offer down, as far as I know, by Sven G E, of all people.
MAN ON!
Do I believe ENIC have taken us as far as they can...Yes!
Do I believe ENIC have been good for Spurs working within their budget...Yes!
Do I want us to be taken over by another willing to take us to the next level...Yes!
Can I accept at present this is about our limit...Yes!.

We are not failing, we are pretty much where monies suggest we should be, I'd be a whole lot more concerned if we were finishing between 5th and 8th with the Russian pumping money in, we do not have an owner doing this do we?, so Chelsea finish higher inmost cases, and we finish roughly where our finances dictate we should.

Again, the only annoyance I can see that fans can hold towards ENIC, is the fact that Lewis chooses not to pump his money in window on window. He is obviously happy to a degree where we are as a club, of course he'd like better, but not as a result of his wealth being the gambling chip. I can understand that, frustrating it maybe.
Cider spurs
Chris...Abrahamovic as I understand was looking at Spurs but advised to buy Chelsea. Did ENIC advise him to buy Chelsea?.
Cider spurs
Jesus, we could have had John Terry playing for us. What a depressing thought.
MAN ON!
Let's also remember the 100+ properties and businesses ENIC have already purchased around White Hart Lane. All monies that need to be considered when questioning why we have not signed or paid XYZ player either to sign or in wages.
Cider spurs
MAN ON!...Stop calling me Jesus!.
Cider spurs
RyanSpur, appreciating what Enic have done or do doesnt mean anyone is content with Mediocrity. Of course everyone has to strive for success but its at what cost. For every Abromovich there are far more Vincent Tans & I wouldnt gamble 100 years chasing a dream. Enic have a different business model, grow the club organically, invest in the academy etc. Unfortuantly when the market seems to be settling down and this approach will pay dividents the likes of Monaco, PSG, Zenit, Anzhi etc come on the scene and totally blow & ignite the market again. You are now vying for players against teasm from Russia, France etc which was never the case. PL teams in our pistion could cherry pick the "best of the rest" And this will only get worse in the coming decades with MLS, Middle Eastern Money. Its an arms race thats simply not sustainable and a race we can never win. However Dortmund, Athletic etc prove that sucess can be achieved organically, with a decent youth set up, buying players with excellent scouting like Modric who are on the rise rather than finished articles costing ten of millions and above all else a top quality manager. I have no doubt if we had swapped Rogers with our rabble last years we could of been competing for the title. Success can still be achieved under Enics blueprint. Granted its much bloody harder.
gatch75
C'mon Croatia! C'mon Brazil! C'mon you Spurs! ENIC IN until they're OUT! World cup first then World domination for the THFC. Life is so simple........ So, call me simple.
MAN ON!
Cider spurs. Stop walking on water and I'll stop calling you Jesus!
MAN ON!
For all those wanting ENIC out, of which, I am NOT one, I have a quick question for you......who do you want to replace ENIC? I'm all ears, if between you, you can give me one realistic possibility as to who replaces ENIC, I'll give it genuine consideration.....and please, don't all answer at once
King26
King26. Why didn't I just say that? I'm happy you did.
MAN ON!
King26, great question, alas no answers came forth when asked previously...
Highgatespur
Think I've agreed with you before on numerous other posts MAN ON! there is no realistic option out there.... Daniel Levy & ENIC all day every day for me until there is a viable option. I don't want to go the route of Blackburn, Leeds, Villa and numerous other clubs with new owners and chairmen promising the world
King26
King .... Good question! If ENIC were to go weíd need to know exactly what weíre going to get in its place, and how it will work to progress the club.
Geofspurs
Come, my Lord Jesus, the Savior of souls, who hast
saved me from the drunkenness and Error of the world.
Cider spurs
Chris Z, Levy was not the one who didn't want Suarez, it was the management. Levy can't be blamed for that. VDV didn't leave for glory, he left for a relegation battle.
Kong
AMEN.... and the Spurs go marching on...
MAN ON!
Yeaaah Boy! Don't believe the hype!
MAN ON!
Ha nice article. A thought provoking question that doesnít have an answer. Thatís what a football forum is all about, to discuss people views and opinions

I guess it really all comes down to how you look at the glass. Is it half empty of half full. There are aspects about ENICís tenure that have been refreshing and aspects that have been nothing short of lunacy. Just take this season. At the start of the season we had our brand new Training facility and despite selling our best player has reinvested in several signings, three of which were fairly high profile. We had a young enthusiastic manager, a squad full of talent, and as you know the rest is history. A year down the line we are back to square one, or IMO minus square one. The question is, who is to blame?

I take this year as a base point for the last X number of years as it does follow a very predictable path. We Improve, we grow, we get excited, ďsomethingĒ happens then we go back to square one. Another season of ďtransitionĒ, we improve, we grow and so on and so on. If (as muttley posted) actually looked at THFC as you would a shop in the retails sector, or an IT business, the rises and falls indicate that the man making decisions hasnít got it right. If I owned a company and I saw such peaks and troughs, despite the top line looking healthy, I would seriously question the strategy of my Chairman. That is what we need to remember, although DL has shares in THFC, he does not OWN the club. He does have a board of directors to report to as well as Joe Lewis. That is why MY issue isnít with ENIC, but with the guy in the hot seat making the decisions and essentially running the club. The money has been spent. The money is always available. I just think the guy spending it is the wrong guy for the job

If a more ďclued upĒ chairman who understood Football and not just the financials were in charge, and had the same financial power as DL has been granted I dare say we would have achieved a hell of a lot more in 12 years. I would happily keep ENIC as our investors / owners for now, until someone else with the same amount of money and business acumen came along. I just hope that whoever our future owners are actually care about the game itself a bit more that the current lot.
hudderspur
Chris Zacharia - when we had VDV, Bale & Modric...we still didn't win anything....before them we had Berba & Keane with a younger Bale, and won nothing....those players used us as a stepping stone. IS that the fault of Levy? I mean, he went out and signed them for us in the hope that they'd make us better, which they did....is it then Levy' fault we failed to win a trophy? No, it's not. Those players obviously will want to leave to win trophies, thats the way football goes. If a player wants out, he gets out, it's then over to Levy to get top dollar, which he always does
King26
King, my opinion when they do decide to cash in their chips with curry sauce, the buyers will be our Canadian partners or a Chinese interest. Could be interesting times ahead. Don't think they would sell to a relatively small money fly by night! I think they will sell for profit and want the buyers to profit under their own business model. No point in selling for the club to fail. No point to anyone!
Dublin Hotspur
YT_Boy, writes, "Pele10 I appreciate you are Anti Joe Lewis, ENIC and DL in general but can you change them running the club? Can you buy them out? Can you borker a deal to replace them? Didn't think so!!" What a pathetic argument! What this little ENIC LOSER Lover is telling us, is that we have no right to voice, an opinion if we don't have the money to buy the football club we support! Well I tell you you pathetic ENIC invention! We will have our Tottenham back! The ENIC cancer will be cut out of beautiful THFC once and far all. We may have to suffer for a few seasons more, but they will be gone with the half billion (or what ever) they have milked from THFC and the local community, with their worst trophy per seasons percentage of any THFC owners since world war 2 legacy for ever in place. TOTAL LOSERS!!! The glory days will return to THFC, once the scrooge and his apprentice have sailed off on their tax FREE ENIC yacht! JOE LEWIS OUT!!!
Pele10
hudderspur, you are right that DL does not own THFC but he has a 29% stake in ENIC with Joe Lewis owning the rest. It would be hard for him to move aside.
Kong
Cider and Muttley, good posts! To all the 'old school' guys out there (myself included), we've got to accept that the world we grew up in no longer exists - similarly, the Spurs we supported played in completely different world to the game today.No need to explain the new landscape,we're all know it!
Muttley has hit it on the head - DL has proved to be wanting in some critical areas and has missed a trick a few times ( just look at Liverpool getting into gear immediately,increasing their squad mindful of the extra, tougher games that they are going to face when we dallied when we were in a similar position). However, I wouldn't call time on Enic just yet. I think that DL has showed positive intent in our last two ( not counting Sherwood) manager appointments - AVB & Poch. By choosing young, ambitious guys it's obvious to me that he wants someone long term in the post to build stability.
Lastly,don't think that it's fair for some to question the level of support of others based on their opinions on this forum.
Durbanspur
Yes Pele10, lets get ENIC out and return to where we were before they come, oh sorry you didn't like Sugar either so lets go back one more owner, oh yes we nearly got bankrupt. It was so good before ENIC that I wish we could travel back and enjoy those times again in the 90's.
Kong
Chris ... to attract the best players we would need to pay crazy wages. We donít have the financial resources to do that like the big money teams. We are, in my opinion, doing extremely well considering the resources at our disposal. We could, of course, break the bank (or bite the bullet), and try to buy trophies but, personally, Iíd be quite happy to watch entertaining football within our budget as we try to build for the years ahead. The last few years have not been too bad, as I see it ... certainly entertaining. We can look where the club is now in comparison to all the other clubs in the universe and choose, based on our expectations and opinions, to be content or discontented about it. Iím content to be content .... for now!
Geofspurs
News Alert *** a mysterious German resident financial wizard in take-over bid at Tottenham****

Time to make your move Pele10 - show us your money !!!!
Highgatespur
I agree with Shedboy2, all this pro ENIC propaganda suggesting if it wasn't for them then this, that, or the other, would befall the club, ignores the fact that if we didn't have ENIC/Joe Lewis as owners, we would undoubtedly be owned by somebody else, and it might just be that if Roman Abramovich had pursued his intention to buy the club, or if we were fortunate enough like Man City, Monaco, or Paris St German to have been bought by an owner/s desperate for on the pitch success, we may well have won more than the one minor trophy we have to show for the 14 years of ENIC rule. As Shedboy2 says, ENIC want what is best for ENIC, which is not necessarily what is best for THFC, the priorities for both are very different, one is about making money, or at least preparing the club for sale at huge profit, and the other is to win the maximum number of football matches, playing "Spurs type" football, and winning trophies. I like the author have supported the club since boyhood in the late 50s through thick and thin, and certainly since a very long time before ENIC/Lewis/and Levy came on the scene. I will continue to support Spurs until somebody nails my lid down, but I absolutely disagree that that support extends to the owners of the club, and I consider it an affront to my free choice to suggest as much. I am sorry to vehemently disagree with the author but I'm afraid that the ENIC regime has been anything but good for THFC, from a football point of view. Considering that our owner is the 7th richest man in Britain according to the published annual rich list @£3.7 billion, yet we as a club refuse to compete for top players, in fact every top player that we get, or comes through, is sold for considerable profit, irrespective of the footballing advantage in not doing so. We had a tremendous opportunity 4 years ago, when we reached the QF of the CL at the first attempt (the record performance by a rookie club at the time), yet there was no subsequent investment in players, to attempt to build on, or even consolidate, that achievement. As previously mentioned the signings of the likes of Gregor Rasiak, Frazer Campbell, Saha and Nelson, and the "scatter gun" signing of "nearly" players last summer, are a barometer of the club's lack of real ambition, and rather than continually sacking managers for failing, without giving them the tools, perhaps Messrs Lewis and Levy ought by now to realise that they, rather than their employees, they are the problem, they are both non football savvy bean counters, making a failed attempt at pretending to be football people desperate for success. The club will never again be trophy winners, whilst this ownership regime remains in place. They might be able to fool some of the people all of the time, but they will never fool some of the people for any of the time. Hopefullt at some time in the near future their real ambitions will be realised, they will sell the club at an exorbitant profit and make way hopefully for somebody who wants to own a football club, rather that a lump of appreciating real estate. Incidentally in my long association with the club our trophy return under the 14 years of ENIC tenure, is the most sparse I can remember, yes we had our low points but they were mitigated by the winning of a trophy from time to time, we don't even do that anymore.
Frank
When we talk of the Glory years, it's far too easy to forget that there were many, many more, not so glorious.
MAN ON!
Pele - Firstly I am not an "ENIC LOSER Lover" - I am a LOYAL follower of Spurs! I support WHOEVER is in charge. Yes I whinge about our failings, yes I moan about who we have bought and who we sell. but one thing remains throughout....

I SUPPORT THFC AND ALL WHO ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

I, nor you can change the fact ENIC, Joe Lewis, and Daniel Levy are in charge. Like it or lump it. Unless you can buy them out put your money where your mouth is and suggest an alternative.

COYS ILIT TTID
YT_Boy
Kong, Since Sugar bought Spurs and handed it over to his Apprentice, the club have won 2 League Cups in 24 seasons. In the 24 seasons before Sugar and his apprentice LOSER came Tottenham won 4 FA Cups, 2 League Cups, and 2 EUFA Cups. The real stats always smash the ENIC apologists LIES!!!
Pele10
ENIC out!!!! Vincent Tan in!!!!!!! No, i thought not........
10iscoach
Gatch, it is true about Dortmund, and Athletico breaking the mould to achieve outside of their expectation level, but still they lose their best players just like we do. We cannot blame Levy on this issue as we tried like hell to hang onto Modric and Bale, but the lure of still bigger clubs and wages and CL every year is too great.
CoysRus
Pele, how many different teams have won those trophies since Spurs? Only a handful of English league clubs have shared winning the European cup and CL in its combined history. If only the real world of football was a fair and balanced one, how happy we would all be. Spurs's history has to be put into context and, in the scale of things, 14 years is nothing but a drop in the ocean.
MAN ON!
Bring in the new owner with promises of trophies et al. Portsmouth, Glasgow Rangers anybody? Leeds?????? get stable first, regular turnover, then move on to bigger and better things. anyone remember the mess we were in financially when they came in. we nearly lost the club. whats going to happen to Chelski, $iteh when they are no longer fifnancially viable, providing no return to the owners. even they cant keep on throwing money indefinately, they will want a return. answer??? liquidation. cups are our only answer until stadium built, then we came pay bigger wages and realistically afford top players. until then we will only get best of rest, or hopefully identify a few gems in the ruff.
10iscoach
Long term buck merchants, is more like it. Business men doing their business and doing it well. Whatever will they think of next?
MAN ON!
Come on Pele10 - show us the money to back your expertise and buy the Spurs!!! Come on, quick!!!
Highgatespur
Chris Zacharia. That's playing fantasy football mate. We might as well go and throw Greavsie into that line-up for what it's worth.
MAN ON!
Yes Chris Zacharia, you have sussed out the conundrum. 6th best resources in a League where resources mean more and more every year and yet you complain about a lack of titles and trophies which are largely won by teams above us in the table. A look at the winners over the past 15 years shows that we have done as well as anyone who does not have greater resources and have done better than most of the other clubs in England. Our owners live within a budget. Fans should be used to it by now. ENIC only maximize their asset if a Stadium is built, naming rights in place and exposure increased. Winning would help with some of that. They just aren't going to lose money to do so. QPR's wages, at last report were 108% of turnover. Yeah, they got up, by the skin of their teeth and backed by insane debt. How much success did they achieve in doing all that? More trophies than Spurs? What of Leeds? Pompey? Birmingham? Wigan? They all are as successful as Spurs, right? The consequences of failure when you overspend can be dire. My only wish with ENIC is that they get their hands out of the football decisions. Outside of that, they have steered the club towards economic stability with a base that will be capable of supporting more upward movement. My 2 cents. COYS
peterballb
Pele10, your stats are good but there are no LIES here.
Kong
Christopher .... Wolves, Preston, Aston Villa, Leeds, etc, want their glory years back too. Itís not that easy. But at least weíre not in their situation and maybe part of the reason for that is ENIC.
Geofspurs
MAN ON ... Not sure, but I think when people talk about the Ďgloryí years they mean the Modric era?
Geofspurs
Geofspurs. That made me smile..... Paulinho and Luka to share the MOM award on Thursday and I'll be a happy man.
MAN ON!
Why is it some posters can say in one post what takes me 10 posts to say? Hear, hear Barry and Peter......
MAN ON!
MAN ... Yes, I'd be happy with that. Should be some good games this weekend. Hope everyone with any connection to THFC do well.
Geofspurs
anyone ask themselves why a club like Spurs is being run by a Land economist? anyone curious as to why there has been no new money put into transfers in the last 3years? why didn't we buy the players once we qualified for CL? and again when we were in pole to qualify once more? anyone ask themselves what the correlation is between success on the pitch and off it? why are we the 6th richest club when Toon have had a much larger stadium for years?...what do you expect from an investment company owning a football club? why has Levy taken huge salaries in relation to other PL chief execs? much much more in the past few years than we have added to the transfer budget.......there's talk about living within budget but not of where the budget is spent? for the last few years between 30-40% of revenue the club has taken has not been spent on players, where the money going? there's talk of ENIC realising their investment...but not a lot of discussion as to what that will mean for THFC over the medium to long term....it's not all about the football there is a big picture here and some just can not see the wood for the trees...I see a lot of bluster on here but not a lot of insight
shedboy2
YT good article and in principle I was with you until 18 months time.... I know that obviously hasn't happened yet but if Pochettino gets fired and we are back to square one I am going to be firmly in the ENIC Out camp.

Pele has put forward some outstanding arguments as to why ENIC have been so poor i.e. 1 trophy, no FA Cup finals, etc... and this combined with Levy's buy cheap sell hire player policy and my biggest issue; employing second tier managers only to fire them in a number of months, has me questioning ENICís ability to deliver success, or even try to deliver success over profit Ė putting profit first and delivering mediocre success is in my eyes a good enough reason to get them out; I would rather relegation, promotion, trophy over 8th, 8th, cash.

I am behind ENIC and Pochettino for next season and while he remains credible for the role but as the article sparked the debated I thought I would voice my opinion (otherwise I would have kept it to myself). I still think we should have got Benitez or Mancini, proven winners who showed interest but obviously weren't offered the package they deserve. I really hope Levy has finally got it right.
T.H.F.Chris
Kong Ė youíre right, with a 29% stake it would be pretty hard to kick him out of the club altogether, but less so to remove him from the position of chairman which could be done be a majority vote from the board and a vote from the majority shareholder (JL). I think this is Daniel Levyís last chance TBH. He hired AVB, then fired (let him leave) under dubious terms, brought in a very inexperienced interim in TS then fired him after a very respectable points tally (I say points not results / performances) and now he has chosen to again go for the young gun in Pochettino against the grain of the board who apparently wanted a more experienced candidate. If his decision falls flat this time then I think there will be a vote. This could very well work against this time, as I think Levy knows he canít fire Pochettino this year or next regardless. So if Poch doesnít deliver the goods we may be stuck with him out of principle and stubbornness.
hudderspur
Does anyone remember that 11 players have to go onto a pitch and score more goals than the other team. Something we have failed to do well enough over the years. We missed the SKY gravy train years ago. As has been mentioned, the investment in the team has not been consistent. Levy has hired DOF's so they can take the blame for the hiring and firing of managers and players when it is really his decision. Levy should be applauded for the good things he has done, but he should also stand up and take the blame for all the things that have gone wrong. Something, he has never acknowledged. We have been in a position to move ahead and realistically challenge for a top 4 finish for several seasons, yet when it comes to the crunch, we have lost out on players for silly reasons like Levy wont pay an extra 1 or 2m pounds, when in reality the benefit of signing the player outways the money. eg, Gary Cahill, and many others. Levy is a narcissist. He will keep convincing himself he is the best person for the job and pass the blame onto others. It is exactly why he has had many opportunities to sign managers like De Boer, LVG, Capello, Ancelotti, Hitzfeld, etc, but he never will because these guys are winners and he cannot have a bigger ego at the club than himself. I value all the good things that ENIC have done. I would much rather have seen VDV, Bale, Modric, Berba play for us than the Tremezziani's of this world. However, if ENIC is not able to take advantage of Spur's unique position in english football, they should stand aside and allow someone who has the single minded ambition and determination to succeed at all costs. If that is a Russian, American or English billionaire then I don't care as long as he makes his plan for Spurs absolutely clear. Something else ENIC and Levy have failed to do, since they took over. What is ENIC's plan for Spurs? Does anyone other than Levy know? If he came out and spoke to the fans, rather than an end of season statement which looks like he just changes the date from the previous year and does a quick edit, I am sure he would get a bit more support. More than ENIC in or out, what I want to know is where Spurs are heading, but I guess I will just have to wait like everyone else.
vicspur
hudderspur, I agree that this is Levy's last chance but has the managers all been his choice or does Joe Lewis have more of a say on managers than we think, he might have picked Pochettino and will let Levy take the credit or the fans fury if it goes wrong.
Kong
The rumours from people ďITKĒ were that the decision to Appoint Pochettino was pushed through by Levy, so letís just hope that the winds of fortune change and Poch goes on to be our best manager in decades. I mean come on, the law of averages say heís got to get one right!! Joking aside, I donít think Joe Lewis has any real say on which manager etc we appoint as heís not a football man at all, even less so than Levy. He just puts his trust in his appointed Chairman to make the righjt calls. I think over the years Levy has appointed some good managers, but for some reason (I can only think of one) it hasnít worked and they have got the boot. Again, letís just hope this isnít a decision Pochettino will live to regret. I still think spurs ruined Martin Jolís career, he has never been the same since he was stabbed in the back.
hudderspur
A debate with no resolution given that ENIC and Levy are going nowhere. ENIC and THFC are different core businesses. ENIC solely about profit from investment and THFC is about creating the best football team in the world. There are overlaps in those diverse aims but ENIC will only act to the level which protects their investment and that will never meet the aim of THFC. We as fans have to suck it up unless a genuine football man takes control of football business and is a managerial genius. As regards Levy, on the basis of his statement when being appointed, in any other commercial enterprise, he would have been sacked years ago if the core business was about football success, but it isn't . As for Lewis, many on here state he is a Spurs fan. If that's true, perhaps it is time for him to consider his own mortality if he truly wants to see Spurs a top team before he shuffles off into the ether.
Harry-Kari
hahaha WHLN17 I am liking this prison idea. If you read closely I said my biggest issue is with hiring of second tier managers and then firing them within months. This I have issue with as they come cheap, and without hassle, they do as they are told and are greatful. Whereas a Benitez or Mancini would have made demands on what the club needs to go forward, I doubt many of them would have asked for 7 very average players in swap for Bale (not that I mentioned Bale; it is obvious he wanted to leave and I doubt anyone could have done much to stop him, I do not hold that against Levy). But the 7 players he bought were clearly not all the managers choice; many of them were bought on the basis of their future value and as a result we had the worst season in memory - not talking points, stats, whatever,,, I am talking it was utter shi1, worst performance, worst loses and worst atmosphere.....

The manager choice is my main point, this leads to weak managers not demanding the players the immediate squad needs which is reflected in our results. I will consider your suggestions on a new case.
T.H.F.Chris
shedboy2. You say a lot of bluster but no insight, why? Is it because some of us disagree with your outlook? It's not about insight it's about expectations. Mine are different to yours wether I agree with you re ENIC, or not. I'd say Barry's post above is very insightful, not necessarily into how ENIC run THFC but, how us fans perceive them in their taking care of business. It's not even a question of who's right and who's wrong.
MAN ON!
I personally don't feel the need to have a degree in Business and Economics to know wether I am happy to support Spurs or not and, by default, the guy's that run THFC.
MAN ON!
That's not insight, it's not bluster, just the words of a simple everyday Spurs fan who loves to watch football.
MAN ON!
Apart from Pele10, I have rarely seen anyone here bash ENIC. IMO, they are working to a business model and regardless of the trophy cabinet, they HAVE progressed the club. You can't blame trophyless times on ENIC or even Levy. It's up to the manager and the squad to deliver on the pitch. If I remember correctly, Harry got us knocked out of the Cup semi final against Pompey. Apart from questioning Levy's (Board's) football decision-making, I have no qualms about ENIC presiding over our club. How can you blame ENIC if the manager (Tim Last year and Harry in earlier year clearly said they were happy with the squad. How is that Enic's fault?
Critical_Spur
Pele, you really have had enough haven't you.... a few things, you mention 2 trophies in 24 years, then list quite a few in the 24 years that preceded them, (1984 I was born) so a few a bit before my time, but back then we were towards the top of the pile, there were no Citys, Chelseas or even gooners to compete with. ENIC cannot be blamed for running us into massive debt towards the end of the 80's, or is your hatred that intense you do blame them?! Also, you say you want a plan outlined.....how many chairman or owners can you name that come out, tell fans their 'outlines', and then deliver on them? City & Chelsea are the 2 I can think of, and they're owned by stupidly rich men. It's not like there is a queue of these stupidly rich men looking to buy us, it's been done in England, these sugardaddys are targeting other countries now. Lastly, I hate mentioning them lot up the road, but did they not lose out on Juan Mata when he signed for Chelsea, because the chairman was in the alps skiing?! Very few clubs have the perfect chairman, the chairman are there to sign the cheques, come 3pm on a saturday, its over to the players.....they're the reason we've not won more trophies!!!
King26
Good debate today fair play on both sides & great post Barry Macpheat. The million dollar question is still there. Whats the alternative. The realistic not fantasy land alternative that is. The local businessman would love the club but wed be in the "havent got a pot to ***** in club" like Everton. Shieks and Oligarchs dont grow on trees. We are in a very decent place. I think the frustration people have is almost with modern day economics/globalisation/capatlism as much as Enic. Thats modern sport for you unfortuantly and from my perspective Id sooner have owners who have some affiliation with the club no matter how small than a foreign consortium who wants to change our name to London Hotspur for marketing reasons. I see only one valid criticism of Levy and Enic and that is the amount of managerial change, & as I said earlier stability with the right man is great, stability with the wrong man in charge can set you back a long long way. IMO We simply havent had the right man yet and thats because like signing players its as much a leap of faith as an exact science.
gatch75
The problem for THFC, ENIC and the fans is that UEFA, the FA, the Premier league have set up and enabled a two tier system in football, which extends throughout the whole of world football, not just the PL. There are the haves, and then there are the have the most. Financial doping along with little to know regulation have enabled the elite few clubs to dominate excessively, which has in turn led to an uneven playing field all across Europe. It's therefore impossible to judge ENIC based solely on their trophy record in the face of such extreme odds. FIFA, UEFA et al, have done nothing to even those odds, and I believe in the future we will see the Elites form a Super league where there will be games played around the globe to satisfy the global market.

THFC cannot compete with the likes of the elite clubs anymore, off the field, it's an unpalatable fact, but it's true. Most of the top players won't come to Spurs because Spurs are seen as second tier and will not enhance their own personal brands. For those who think that it's just about spending more money on players, it isn't, we won't get the best, we'll just get ripped off by mercenaries who don't really want to play for Spurs.

Levy and ENIC have done a good job in the face of all that, far better than Lerner at Villa, or Ashley at Newcastle, or Kenwright at Everton, we are still competitive, more so than them.

There is no doubt that ENIC have done a good job in my mind, from where we were when they took over to where we are now. They've made mistakes but overall, have done great things on and off the pitch for THFC.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Chris Zacharia, as I have said to pele on more than one occasion, pull out your pocketbook, write a 1B GBP cheque, have it clear, and the team is yours to do as you see fit. It still won't guarantee you anything, but then it's your money and you may do with it as you please. Yes, you could have made Modric, Bale, Berbatov et al stay. No doubt. I'm sure they'd haveall played lights out for you. Modric gave about 85% after he was denied the chance to leave. Chelsea would have paid us over 40M for him one summer and the next summer we got significantly less. It's a slippery slope, but then it will be your money, whether you bring titles or whether you bankrupt the club. Cart before horse. Works a charm. COYS
peterballb
MAN ON!- you're welcome to disagree I have no problem with that...but when I say I see no insight...it's insight that I mean not expectations...you may not feel it necessary to have a degree etc and by default support the guys that run THFC that's your prerogative, I think that is short sighted...for me it's missing the point that the two are different and have differing needs...you're not alone i see so many people confusing the two..saying what an excellent job ENIC are doing financially without really understanding the financials...just because they haven't sunk us doesn't mean they are doing a great job...and it doesn't mean that we won't get sunk!
shedboy2
anyone got a good reason why a Land economist is running a football club?
shedboy2
let's hope Chris doesn't write out a cheque to ENIC for 1B....he will have then spent 1b in order to gain access to our revenue making ability....ENIC will have walked with c900m profit....and Chris will have to get that 1B back from the fans...no big signings for what 20 years+?...Far from being in a comfortable place we(Spurs) are in a very precarious one....ENIC are on easy street...
shedboy2
Cleveland ARTSPURS, that basically sums it up in all of the boring reality of the situation. FFPR were never designed to make Nice able to compete with PSG. They were designed to make it more difficult for Nice to compete with PSG. It was all about protecting the established order. PSG spent way more than allowed. They still get to play in the CL and just pay a fine. Monaco, because of their owners, can buy their way in to the CL. Next year they will pay thir fine and stay in the CL. What joy it must be for those players to play in front of 12k home fans in a crappy stadium? I like the FFPR in principle. All leagues should have it as bankruptcy affects the future of the clubs and thus of the game. That said, so long as sanctions do not automatically start with exclusion from the CL and/or domestic reegation, I do not see it having any effect but to stop the minnows in the game from jumping up the food chain. Why is it such a bad thing that teams be required to balance the books plus or minus 5% every season with three seasons to recoup overspends. We all have to do this in real life. Doesn't mean you can't have a new stadium. You just have to be able to cover the coss of financing. Doesn't mean you can't pay players more. Just means it must be done in the context of revenues. In principle, FFPR is a must. Without them, what Cleveland ARTSPURS states will occur. Super League with all of the remaining Domestic Leagues being worth a pittance. To protect te great game you must protect the clubs and the fans from the owners who will never, as a group, GET IT. COYS
peterballb
@Shedboy. There are plenty of big corporations that are run by people with unrelated degrees, I don't see where you are going with that one. DL is obviously an intelligent guy and has proven that he can run Spurs as a business.

I also don't get this thing about them taking their profit if and when they build a stadium. It's ENIC's company, they can do what they like, the fans will still pay for their season tickets, and buy their yearly calendars containing players that ENIC sold in the previous TF window. THFC, will still be in healthy shape financially, it will have a brand new stadium, brand new training facilities, and a valuation, 10X greater than what it was before ENIC took over. what's wrong with that?
Cleveland ARTSPURS
hudderspur, my understanding through other supposed ITK is that this was indeed a decision made by the majority owner of ENIC. They are reportedly known to one another from their mutual time in Argentina and their families know each other. As these same ITK seemed to believe that Caulker's leaving was from above Levy's head as well, I believe there just might be some validity to what has been stated. Certainly selling Caulker, with Kaboul injured, Gallas retired and only Vertonghen and Dawson on the Senior Squad list made no sense at all. Even if AVB did not use him much down the stretch last season, he was a firm believer in two players for every position. Pochettino, as I hear things, was Lewis' appointment. We'll never know because ENIC don't discuss these matters with us. All e know for sure is that ENIC sold Caulker and ENIC appointed Pochettino. COYS
peterballb
That's a good post Peter, FFPR is not the "Holy grail".
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Well the ffp rules certainly stymie any mega bucks take over until the ticket revenue increases spending can't really either.
Slurms McKenzie
Shedboy, I'm not confused.....
MAN ON!
Richard Branson started out selling records from a back of a van. What does he know about flying 787's?
MAN ON!
Sad news about Hereford United...
Highgatespur
But Slurms McKenzie, it does not necessarily have that effect as Monaco are demonstrating. There is no way they can even remotely appear to be compliant yet they will get CL this season as what they did last year only counts once they have a season in Europe. So while Spurs, PSG and any others who are in violation of the rules would have to pay sanctions etc, Monaco, for this year anyway, are home and clear despite a tranfer net spend of well in excess of 100M Euros and salaries that cold never be covered by the 12k fans that show up to their home matches on average. Their owners don't care about the sanctions and will just pay the fine next summer (as PSG, Barca and a few other clubs are doing this summer) and the will continue to be given the rewards of the CL revenues and prestige even though they are infringing the rules. This is why City and Chelsea would only agree to the much looser FFPR that were created for the EPL. This way they can overspend domesticallyby 30 odd percent (as opposed to 5% in Europe). They just knew that the EPL was far more likely to follow the rules than their European counterparts who have hands/interests in lots of different pockets. Thus, looser rules that they could adhere to that would still protect their positions at the top of the table. What the FFPR do do is stop owners who are rich but who cannot afford to see their fortunes lost, from competing t the top end. They can get a seat at the far end of the table and will get decent scraps here and there, but they will not get the unlimited access to the trough at which the teams at the head of the table dine. They should just be happy to participate. When any one of them gets too big for their britches the monies and the seat at the table will be what is lost. They all just ant the TV revenues. Much like the NFL, it's a huge cash cow and some owners will leverage everything to try to get that seat at the table. They don't care about the fans, the players or the club. To me, that is where ENIC have done best. They have not compromised the club for their own gains. They could have moved us anywhere they wished to erect a stadium and get more fannies in seats all at a lower cost than what they are doing. The club andgrounds remain in Tottenham and THFC is on solid financial ground. Ground that I expect to be even better in a decade. What will become of Chelsea when Abramovich sells? What will become of QPR if markets again tumble or Fernandes' other business interests run in to finanacial troubles? ENIC don't have those issues and nor to THFC. It's not by happenstance. They have done well. Now if they could jst remove themselves from football related decisions, we could maybe be that club that overachieves long enough to breed a level of success that wll get us to the level of Arsenal and Liverpool. I remain in hope. COYS
peterballb
That puts things in to perspective. Hereford have been around since 1924....
MAN ON!
And to put matters in to context a bit, before Jol got us he two successive th place finishes, we were considered to be in that next group of teams with Aston Villa and Everton. Yes, City, through Monopoly Money, jumped the queue in the interim, but look at the three clubs now. Spurs turnover is 147M GBP and our wages are at 96M (all figures 2012-2013). Everton had a turnover of 86M and wages of 63M and are reasonably well run from a balance sheet perspective (as are Spurs). Villa, now saddled with tons of debt, have a turnover of 84M and a wage bill of 72M. Yes, Everton finished ahead of us last seson. There is no doubt though which club is in a stronger position and has done better over the past decade. They can't compete with Spurs for players or on wages. Villa are barely surviving and are closer to relegation than they are to Europe. In context, we are not as bad off as some would suggest. Yes, we could have/should have done better, but then, City have wages of 233M GBP. Far more than any other club in the PL. Shouldn't they be winning the title every year and in the CL final four every season? Chelsea and United both have wage bills that are double ours. Hardly a level playing field. Liverpool pay Suarez over 225k GBP per week. We reportedly offered Bale 180k/week to stay. He is on more than Suarez at Madrid not including royalty monies. Some things we can compete with, some things we can't.

Do not take any of this as an excuse. I still believe we can win trophies and even the league. We just need the right manager for the right players. We have, in my estimation, a group of very talented players. Did we hire the right man to get those players to rise to the necessary level so that lightning can be captured in a bottle? We'll see. There is no clue as to the answer in the CV. That's what worries me. COYS
peterballb
ILIT... COYS
Yidmarks
Levy has a First Class Honours Degree in Economics and Land Economy, and is no fool.

They purchased back the shares.

They have a huge potential asset once the stadium is developed. Which adds huge value to Spurs as a club.

This is what he studied, Economics and Land Economy!

The new Training facility was built, we are active in purchasing and bringing through young talent.

Building for the future!
Yidmarks
Anyone heard anymore of the Remy's agreement to come to bluenwhite side of north London ?
Highgatespur
King26 tells us "come 3pm on a saturday, its over to the players.....they're the reason we've not won more trophies!!!" So he King saying it's the players fault? How many trophy did Carrick win after he left Spurs? What have Bale and Luka just won this season? Pedro Mendes could not get near an FA Cup final with Levy's Spurs, whilst spending most of his time on the bench watching Levy's JJ hide on the pitch, but won the bloody FA CUP with an nothing up and down the League club! Fredi Kanouta was pushed out by LOSER Levy and then went on to Europa League glory twice, and a Spanish Cup win! The Prince who who not good enough for the THFC bench won the Italian championship! Berba after winning the crap league Cup with Spurs, went onto big time honors at United! Tom and Jake just played in a FA Cup final, something well over 100 player LOSER Levy signed have never done whilst at our club etc etc etc... Football players are directed by coaches, who are employed by the chairman of the club who is directed by the clubs owner. Success starts at the top! Sadly for us at Spurs the man who owns our once great club, the man at the very top, is a football mercenary business man, now at his 6th pro football club he has failed... He maybe a total winner as a business man in terms of making himself a personal mass fortune. And he will be a WINNER financially again when he sells THFC to the tune of at least an extra half billion in his offshore account. But on the football pitch he has the proud honor of having the worst trophy per season percentage of any THFC owner since world war two! Despite being my far, the most wealthy! The saddest thing is, that this does not bother the football mercenary in the slightest, otherwise he would have got rid of his LOSER chairman and invested in his team half a decade back... JOE LEWIS OUT!!!
Pele10
From what I have heard and read, we have agreed to pay the buyout with QPR but there will be no deal with the player until after the WC when he will assess his options. Presumably he will hold out for CL or better wages. If none of that is on offer, we have a chance. COYS
peterballb
Yidmarks, Levy should be chancellor, not running a football club.
vicspur
Is it possible to gain an honours degree in football chairmanship? What qualifies our Prime minister to run one of the wealthiest countries in the world? Any answers?
MAN ON!
Football club chairmanship.......
MAN ON!
The FFP is to keep the big boys at the top and the not so big boys down below... as it was always meant to be... reckon ENIC are near their capacity in their ability to move the club ... just waiting for the next rich ones to come along ala Sheikn, oligarch or whoever .... In the meantime I'll go o supporting and loving the team they call the one and only Tottenham Hotspur.
Highgatespur
For me the best thing said about today's discussion was from peterballb "we can win trophies and even the league. We just need the right manager for the right players. We have, in my estimation, a group of very talented players. Did we hire the right man to get those players to rise to the necessary level so that lightning can be captured in a bottle? We'll see. There is no clue as to the answer in the CV." As supporters and fans that's what we all can hope for. COYMS
Highgatespur
I hear that there's a diploma going named Football Club managership/chairship at the UTC - just looking for the main tutors ... LOL!
Highgatespur
Pele10, I'm pretty certain that coaches and DOF's had something to do with the players you mention coming and going. I don't recall hearing that Levy is out there scouting players, or determining the starting XI (as much a he would have liked o have told AVB who to play and how to play). Your valid points (and there are some) are completely lost in your vitriol which, I believe, completely ignores that the landscape has changed and thus that ENIC are not equally positioned with all of those previous owners who could hold out hope for a cup win, here or there. Fact is, the last 7 titles have gone to teams that spend doublewhat we do on wages. Those same teams have also won 7 of the 14 cups on offer over those same seasons. The other 7 clus that have won in those seven years are Arsenal, Liverpool (both with far greater resources than Spurs), Pompey, Birmingham, Wigan (where are they now?), Swansea and Spurs. Money hugely handicaps the title race every year and is highlyinfluential in all the cups. Go back to the advent of the PL. Th numbers look pretty much the same. We have had as much success as anyone not named Chelsea, Cuty, United, Liverpool, Arsenal. Wish it were not so, but that does not change facts. COYS
peterballb
Higgatespur, I do not think that ENIC have maxed out. I thnk that they can continue to increase international revenues, and, if they can stay out of the football decisions, can capitalise on any cup success and CL apperances that we may be ale to earn. Eventually, there will b a stadium, naming rights, etc, but none of those will achieve that which success will bring. We need to be winning things. I thought that was why AVB was hired. Hoist trophies and the international dollars will follow. That is the only way (regardless of stadium) to catch and pass Arsenal and Liverpool. Decades of success. It will all have to be done in spite of the fact that 5 teams have significantly better resources. COYS
peterballb
People talk about the availability of oligarths and shieks and other assorted royalty to buy our club, why? Our problem is not the availability of funds to increase investment in THFC, why should it be, we are owned by a multi billionaire. The problem is not the lack of where with all, it is the total reluctance to invest what is there, to improve the football fortunes of the club. People keep on claiming that Chelsea and City are doomed, when their benefactors stop investing, I think this is just wishful thinking, they will continue to invest as long as they see success, or progress towards it, they are winners, determined to polish their egos by winning trophies and titles, they want to own successful football clubs, rather than sat counting their money on a sun bed in the Bahamas, hiding from the tax man, planning to sell their Nth London pile. Incidentally I would congratulate Levy on his hard earned degrees, but wonder what his football background is, and how it qualifies him to take sole charge of everything football at Spurs, whilst surrounding himself with scapegoats, who he can sack when yet again for the umpteenth time he gets it wrong, how many managers is it, 8 in 14 years, all hired and fired by this expert, and a trophy haul identical to Portsmouth, Birmingham City and Wigan Athletic during his tenure, that's heady company to keep if you like.
Frank
Yidmarks- very close summary...Levy is of course no fool...very bright and astute...it's not some happy coincidence that we're undertaking a stadium build and moving parcels of land back and forth, in and out of ENIC, THFC etc with a land economist at the helm (amazing how that always ends up in a tax efficient way come the end of a financial year another coincidence..lol) the building for the future bit..yes we are BUT who's future? you see the investment company want a return and can get a HUGE one on sale .Cleveland- once they sell, the more they get for us the more the new owner, whoever that may be will need to re-coup to get their stake back..plus their ROI...1b is a lot of tickets and programs...and every penny spent repaying it plus ROI is another penny THFC can not spend on transfer fees or wages...now I don't mind a fair profit but this lot are putting their profit in the stadium ahead of the 1st team all with a captive audience (footy fans have the most brand loyalty)....some would call that profiteering...
shedboy2
Frank, as owners of Enic, Tavistock (thus Lewis) and Levy are free to spend as they see fit. If they choose to balance the books, good on them. The point was not that we keep heady company with the likes of Pompey, Wigan, Birmingham (you did ignore Liverpool and Arsenal and Swansea in all that) but that like Liverpool and Arsenal, we have done so while keeping ourselves at the top end of the table. Sure, Arsenal have been in the CL but have won nothing and continue to sell their top players. But for last season we have gazumped Liverpool for a far few years despite their greater resources. I am not so certain that Chelsea and City will continue once their benefactors move on. Time will tell. Perhaps the next benefactors will not be able to spend 233M in wages in one season. As for polishing egos, City and Chelsea really only compete with each other and United Every time a lesser financed team finishes ahead of any of them, they have failed. We have finished ahead of all three despite lesser resources. While not a victory for Spurs, it does amount to failure for the others. COYS
peterballb
Those are some nice posts Peter, especially the part about ENIC deciding not to move the club. They have committed to a stadium build and area regeneration project that many people will benefit from, both fans and residents alike. It will raise the profile of the area, and thus will attract more investment. @Man ON. The current chairman of the FA is Gregg Dyke, he used to be in the TV business, what does he know about running a football association? Adam Crozier used to be the Chief executive, before that he ran Royal Mail!!!.

Furthermore, to all those who have suggested that we havn't been competitive during ENIC's tenure, as well as winning the league cup back in 2008, we only just lost the 2009 league cup final to Man U on penalties, we have also appeared in two FA cup semi finals, one against Portsmouth and one against Chelsea. In addition we have appeared in a CL quarter final, exceeding all expectations on the way and have actually finished in 4th twice, but due to the Chelsea caveat lost out on a second appearance in the CL within a 3 year period. We are part of a group of 6 teams which challenge annually for the CL places, finishing above each of them at one time or other apart from Arsenal within the last 5 years. We are competitive, particularly given our status as club compared to the ELite in the PL, for people to expect more is unreasonable IMO.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
shedboy2, yes, ENIC will, whenever they sell, make a profit. That's what they do. Regardless of whatever vitriol is thrown about, the fact is that a perennial CL club in a 60k seat stadium will be worth far more than a Europa team in a 60k seat stadium. The better the club does, the more of a ROI ENIC will get. I severely doubt that Levy and Lewis do not understand that. What they are clearly unwilling to do is to spin the wheel and lay it all down on black. They have a plan. There are obstacles. I'm sure they are unimpressed with the efforts they have had to expend to accomplish what should have been an easy process. The end goal, no matter how far the goal posts are moved, remains the same. The end goal will be to sell when it makes the best financal sense. We all want better results and I will suggest that Lewis and Levy do too. It is in their best interests tha the team succeed on and off the pitch. For that reason, I wish ENIC would just appoint a football man they trust and allow that man, within a pre-set budget, to run this club on the pitch while ENIC continue to push the stadium, exposure etc forward. COYS
peterballb
Having read a lot of the posts above... I would say the actual ENIC situation is balanced between the two views. THFC has been chasing the other top 4 teams last 9 years or more, while seriously lacking in a 60,000 stadium, and resultant income from Champions League. Harry blew our chances of EURO success by not being able to rotate the squad, and making tactical errors. If he had done what should have been done ,.,, then we would have seen spurs wining one Euro League cup.. (fulham nearly did FFS !!) one FA cup then Bale would have stayed longer as would have Modric

We have the best training ground in Europe now, with an acadamey producing increasingly better young players, and that is due to levy and ENIC spending £'m... Our club is far better off than we were before ENIC took over,and i just thought that since they de listed the club, there is no communication from the boardroom to the "shareholders" fans. That is where a lot of frustrations and anger emanates from... SO lets all get together and support the new manager, team, and Levy in the stadium build CPO and hope the decision is immediate and not 3 years for the losing party to decide when to vacate!!. COYS
Block D Spurs
Hear hear, Cleveland and Peter.
MAN ON!
@Shedboy, Sorry, I just don't understand that argument at all. What I think you are effectively saying is that ENIC are profiteering at the expense of the club because they are investing in infrastructure rather than the first team, and that the fans or the club gain no benefit. I don't see it that way at all. The stadium build and regeneration will revive N17, it will attract more business to the area and to the club. Any new owner will be in a good position as he/she will have a nice new stadium, training facilities etc, that they won't have to build themselves. if they get NFL, that will be more revenue, maybe even the occasional Madonna concert or Katy Perry. Sorry folks, the old WHL is done, it needs revamping to bring THFC into the 21st century. Every major, elite football club plays its games in a shiny modern stadium.

The counter strategy is to just invest money into the team, millions gazillions, into players who won't be elite players, but will still demand their slice of the pie. There is no guarantee that they will perform, but THFC has to honour their contract anyway. In the event, all that money ENIC just ploughed in goes to the player, and their agent, they definitely benefit, but the fans may not. (see Bentley, Bent Gomes et al). As far as any new owner is concerned, nobody knows what their motivation will be. John Henry bough L'pool, bought their debt, their problems, and is turning them around, he will still have to resolve his new stadium conundrum. If we got a Shiek, would they even care about ROI, THFC may be used as an outlet to grow other businesses within the portfolio in the same way as the City owners are doing with their club.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Remy can do one.... Not needed, not wanted.
MAN ON!
WHLN17london. Sorry, I presumed that you're talking about Remy..
MAN ON!
Chris Zacharia, that's all well and good. You may be correct. Who is this person that wishes to spend money out of their own pockets so that a part of our fan base can revel in us buying Leagues and titles as Chelsea and City do? I don't know the identity to the mystery benefactor. I do know that Steve Nash and a bunch of other athletes who are Spurs fans looked in to buying the club about 5 years ago or so. They did not have the resources necessary to make ENIC listen. ENIC see the value as a club with a 60k seat stadium filled to capacity with international sponsorship money rolling in. Again, I reckon, a cheque for 1B GBP would probably make them part with their asset, as that is, at a minimum, what it will be worth to them in five to ten years without them having to take a plug nickle out of their pockets. 500M USD, the current valuation of THFC is not enough. Who will be cutting that cheque? Are you sure they will be better, long-term for Spurs? How many CL titles do City have? PSG didn't win it this year either. Money does not guarantee anything. Just increases your odds. COYS
peterballb
Who wouldn't want to play for Real? Boyhood team or not.
MAN ON!
Bale himself said that the entire ordeal was traumatic for him and his family. He had already decided to go. He had the provisions of a contract, including royalties, in place but had to wait and see if RM would stump the cash. He was, for all intents and purposes, refusing to play for Spurs. He did not want to jeopardize the move by getting injured. So, let's just say Levy had refused to sell (as AVB wanted him to do), how well do you think Bale would have performed? When would he have been mentally ready? What effect would his attitude have on the rest of the squad? We were not going to give him 10-15M GBP per season so how were we to even attempt to placate him? He had to be sold. Not because we wanted to sell him but because he decided he wanted to go. Levy did not make any of Carrick, Modric, Bale, Berbatov leave. They all chose that path. Levy just made sure he got as much as he could for each and every one of them. That's his job. COYS
peterballb
It's almost a tradition that most top British players either end up in Italy or Spain, playing for AC Milan or Real and the like. You can go as far back as Greavsie leaving Chelsea for AC. Luckily for us, he didn't like it there.
MAN ON!
in other news it appears tim sherwood is about to become wba manager.hmm..
tarkan mardinCOYS
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2654193/Tim-Sherwood-brink-West-Brom-job-former-Spurs-manager-holds-advanced-talks.html
tarkan mardinCOYS
A lot done, more to do (cheers for the tag slurms)
land bought, infrastructure built, being built and planned. Legal fees, architecture etc. ENIC have spent a fortune on progress of land development, which is probably worth more than the club ATM, but soon values will switch. Levy and Lewis will hand over the reigns for profit when the time is right, and I believe (hope) it will be in the best interests of the club who they sell to.
Dublin Hotspur
well whln17,according to the birmingham press "The former Spurs coach has been the odds-on favourite for some days since meeting, and impressing, the Albion board."
tarkan mardinCOYS
not bad for a gobby so and so.
tarkan mardinCOYS
If that's so,odds on we get beat by WBA next season, home and away!
MAN ON!
Peter, no denying that if a player wants to leave clubs are more or less powerless to make them stay, but what does it say about THFC when every player that is wanted elsewhere is only too keen to go, Carrick, Berbatov, Modric and Bale have gone, Llorris, Sandro, Verthongen, Paulinho, Eriksen only a matter of time. More dosh is obvious but it could also be that they see a club with no real ambition, a club treading water. Carrick, Berbatov, Modric and Bale went on to win trophies, during ENIC's tenure we have won a single trophy and the manager that managed to win that trophy was sacked months later. Levy got lucky with Comolli who brought in our best talent and guess what he got the sack too, good bean counter, rubbish football administrator.
ItalianYiddo
so far franco baldini is not emulating damien commoli well at all.
tarkan mardinCOYS
eejit
Dublin Hotspur
Sorry for being off-topic. Does any one know if the manager is on vacation this time of year? Is Poch involved in any punditry for the WC? Just want to hear from the guy, whether about Spurs or anything football.
Critical_Spur
ENIC Offshore Bankers 11-0 Arsenal Holdings PLC.
MAN ON!
Critical - think MRP's off until late June (2weeks before WC and 1st 2 weeks of WC) He might be a pundit with argues games in Spanish TV ? You sound desperate to hear from him ?!!
Highgatespur
critical-someone other than you raised this some time a go.its doing my head in.its like everyone at thfc is sworn to secrecy.
tarkan mardinCOYS
Highgate, I know you prefer the silence, but I, like tarkan, find it rather eerie!

Lol WHLN!, I have my interpreter on standby!
Critical_Spur
He was in Italy asking advice from Rafa. Benitez just said to him, in English, "you've either got it mate, or you haven't". Poch said,"Que"? Rafa replied, "whatever". Lineker translated it to, "you're crap and you know it...... Give us a crisp"
MAN ON!
Pele's on the box! He hasn't mentioned Levy or Lewis once.
MAN ON!
what are you on about Man on?
tarkan mardinCOYS
Critical - enjoy it while it lasts - it hasn't happened too often of late!!!
Highgatespur
Man On! Seen the size of Ronaldo on the Lineker program?!
Critical_Spur
Just talkin' crap, like everyone else.
MAN ON!
Critical_Spur.. Yes. Like a Brazilian Maradona. ;-)
MAN ON!
im actually scouring the net to find the whereabouts of poch?he might have done a runner for all we know
tarkan mardinCOYS
Highgate, the saying, careful what you wish for... how I wished Harry and then Tim kept shtum, but tbh I am missing any sort of dialogue from the club. Need some ammo for new articles and keep us engaged. At least the WC will be a nice distraction for us all. Engulund!
Critical_Spur
Critical, MRP ain't gonna talk much re Spurs before the training starts if then .... as for Vital - just make it up or hit the repeat button... LOL... I fear the distraction won't last too long!!!
Highgatespur
Supporting Spurs and supporting ENIC are not at all the same thing. That being said, ENIC are far less horrible than a lot of potential owners, and I'm able with them to support the team without feeling like some whore master owns them.
Falstaff the Fool
Must admit, it won't be too long before I'm getting anxious this summer. It happens every year as I watch a load of players in the departure lounge play in pre-season and watch us sign new players way too late. It just seems inefficient.

We did step 1 (fire Tim) and step 2 (hire Poch) very efficiently but since then have only seen small squad changes with Gomes, Brad, Obika and Hall. That's barely scratching the surface of what we need to do. My only conspiracy theory is that Levy has balanced the books for FFP and doesn't want to do business this side of the financial year end, June 30th. Perhaps he has the deals lined up but wants them on the balance sheet of the next fiscal year.
muttley
WHLN17.. What you don't get is... that IF HARRY HAD WON something, Modric and Bale would have stayed a year or two longer. Then we we would have had a base for AVB with these players. Not have 7 new ones to come in, This summer would have seen a transfer activity to replace Modric and Bale. Hence a more stable team not massive defeats..and poss. CL for 2014 / 2015. However we are where we are now.. So now lets see what happens....
Block D Spurs
Pele - I stand by it, the players are as much to blame as the manager, or chairman....Carrick, Berba, Bale, Modric and whoever else, they've gone on to win trophies because they were surrounded by better players! Why else would they have wanted out?! You keep bringing up clubs like Pompey & Hull making cup finals, throw in Milwall & Cardiff why not....who would you rather be?! Pompey, with their more recent FA Cup which came at a massive price (League 2 now!!!!), Hull, Cardiff or Milwall....they've all had a cup final appearance more recently than us - I suppose you wish we were them?! I think we should just agree to disagree here, what you want would be fantastic, but it involves a massive gamble, and whilst it is unlikely, there would be no guarantee a new owner & chairman wouldn't take us down through the leagues....what I want is to stay the way we are, a top 6 side consistently, with HOPEFULLY some better cup runs and who knows, maybe sneak 4th again sometime soon
King26
Perhaps WHLN17...you should buy a hot curry and then a visit to the bathroom, you will be all the better for it...
Block D Spurs
WHLN17, are there any other awards up for grabs?
Kong
Most bit time football clubs (and smaller clubs too) have major rivals. Barca/Real, Inter/Milan, Rome/Lazio, City/United, Sao Paulo/Corinthian, Liverpool/Everton, Arsenal/Tottenham etc etc... This is where the competitive passion between the local rivals fans exists. No one would argue with this. This is where clubs fans measure success. They love doing the enemy! Did you hear those dirty Gooners singing "Tottenham, can you hear us on the box" as they celebrated at Wembley last month? It made me feel sick! Of course this not the first time we have suffered like this since LOSER Levy has run us! During the period of ENIC, Arsenal have finished above us each and every season, even during a period when they were swamped with stadium debt and had to sell many of their best players. Arsenal have qualified for the CL each and every season that ENIC have owned us. 15 Seasons on the spin. Levy has only got us CL once in 15 seasons. On the trophy front, Arsenal have won 4 FA Cups, and two Premiership titles since Levy has run us. Under ENIC we have won just 1 crap League Cup in 14 seasons. Off the pitch. Since Levy pledged to increase the capacity at White Hart Lane shortly after Joe Lewis bought THFC on the cheap, AFC have built the best football stadium in London, with a capacity of 60,000 almost double that of White Hart Lane, whilst Levy has added no more than 200 extra seats to the stadium, and in 15 seasons has still not even raised the funds (please prove otherwise if I'm wrong) to build the new stadium. The bottom line truth is the clubs main local business competitor, and the fans bitter local football team rivals, have totally dominated us both on and off the pitch since Sugar and his Apprentice have run us, which spans nearly a quarter of a century of Gooner dominance! This cannot be argued, even by the most loyal of ENIC Hostpsur fans. And there is absulotly no evidence in terms of team investment of this changing. The AFC board publicly announced after the FA Cup final victory that Wenger would be backed in the transfer market again this summer. Not a word from the THFC/ENIC board??? Yes the pattern of AFC total dominance is set to continue until we get this ENIC mob OUT, and yet Levy's few remaining loyal fans continue to praise ENIC??? Total LOSERS, just like their Danny Baby... JOE LEWIS OUT!!!
Pele10
In the last 10 years, when you look at our purchases and sales over £10m it makes interesting reading.

Ins Berbatov £11m, Bent £16m, Modric £16m, Bentley £15m, Pav £14m, Defoe £15m, Keane £12m, Lloris £12m, Dembele £15m, Vertonghen £10m, Lamela £26m, Soldado £26m, Eriksen £12m, Paulinho £17m

Outs: Carrick £18m, Berbatov £30m, Keane £19m, Bent £16m, Crouch £10m, VDV £10m, Modric £30m, Bale £85m.

It's very clear that Levy and Enic want to sponsor these types of purchases but about 50% of the time their managers are making bad calls on the choices. The naivety from the fans sometimes is when they think we should keep the players we sell but still buy the other good players on top of that. Quite simply the maths don't work if your turnover is £150m and your OPEX is running at way over 60% of turnover. We have to sell to buy.

What is positive though is that our best periods of buying have been under the tenures of Ramos and AVB and the trough of bad purchases mostly came under Harry. Hopefully Pochettino and Baldini can now get their act together and buy quality over quantity. The other interesting fact there is that we have not paid top dollar for a single full back in that list. We did a BOGOF with Walker and Naughton but clearly all our managers don't feel like putting their budget there. That's a shame and shows on the pitch.
muttley
Pele10 - I'll ask one last time - WHO DO YOU WANT TO REPLACE ENIC & LEWIS?????? Please, give me one name, just one, and then I'll consider switching my opinion. I want an actual name too, not just 'a rich man'......
King26
Pele10, when ENIC took over Arsenal were already an established top 4 team finishing in the top 2 in the 5 seasons after ENIC took over with THFC being a mid table team. Try and enjoy your summer, don't let ENIC ruin it for you.
Kong
muttley...Very good point mate ref: the defence. I too have thought we never really give it as much attention as we maybe should. Don't get me wrong, I think we have two excellent signings in Vert's and Vlad. What I am alluding to is the idea that this season under Poch, the way we will set up will once more see the impetus on the WBs providing the width and decent crosses in.

Now let's be honest here, Rose and Walker are no masters when it comes to crossing, whilst I rate Walker as better than Rose, let's not forget, he was being questioned often about his game pre injury and has certainly gone backwards somewhat compared to his form 2 seasons ago. Even if only as back up, (although In suggest we upgrade Rose), I do hope we have WBs that can defend first and foremost, but offer quality ball when in attack. This is going to be most crucial once more this season. Love him or loathe him, it was not too long back when we saw BAE delivering the type of ball required, that is the standard required as a minimum.
Cider spurs
Agree with Kong, if Pele wants to give examples of teams that have really progressed since ENIC came in, City & Chelsea re much better examples (common denominator there)...As much as I dislike it, Gooners were above us in the mid 90's and have just maintained it. Newcastle were above us when ENIC came in, suppose Pele would rather their chairman who has totally pushed them on?! Villa were arguably better than us when ENIC came in, would you like a Lerner like chairman Pele? Or a Liverpool like chairman? Their's cost them a few seasons in the UCL....How about Leeds? Above us when ENIC came in...heck, Charlton & Ipswich finished above us the season ENIC came in along with Southampton..... we've gone from being a perennial bottom half side, to consistently in the top 7 (whilst the big 4 have all strengthened in that time) and we've done that by running the club in a way that does not affect our long term future financially.
King26
KING 26, Were the players that Fredi played with at Seville better than those as Spurs? Did Pedro have a higher level of team mate when he won the FA Cup at Portsmouth? Harry done Milan, and yet the Prince won the title with Milan? We witnissed this season that Man Utd (Carrick included) do not really have a much better squad than ours. The big difference this season was there was no Fergie! And if your correct when you say that the players who failed at White Hart Lane in terms of winning silverware, are more successful elsewhere "because they were surrounded by better players" you are admitting that despite Levy buying well over 100 hundred players he just does not have the skill or vision to build a balanced settled squad with players of equal ability playing together. Yes, you will always have a JJ, a Dawson, a Townsend, a Siggy etc etc playing alongside far superior players because Daniel Levy has not got a clue! Which is why our best players are desperate to leave! JOE LEWIS OUT!!!
Pele10
King26, Totally agree! I would love like Chairman/owner like John William Henry . A chairman who puts his money where his mouth is, despite having less than half the personal wealth of Joe Lewis! Who backs his coach! Who learns from his mistakes! Who truly wants to bring the club big time ON THE PITCH SUCCESS! Who is investing money to make the Anfield capacity bigger! Who has publicly backed his coach in the transfer market! Who stay out of team affairs and let's the football men at the club do their jobs, with out interfering! What our club is in great need of is a John William Henry style owner at White Hart Lane, not a tax exile football mercenary who has only been seen once at a White Hart Lane game in 14 seasons... An owner with some passion for his team! Success starts at the top! ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
King: Great post, mate!
Geofspurs
Pele10. Ronaldo left a very successful United team after 6 seasons. Bale left Spurs after 6, not so successful seasons. Modric left after 4. All now at Real of course. How many PL players would leave their club for Real Madrid, regardless of their success in England? Levy would have been a fool not to sell Bale for the money he did and why stand in the way of him stepping up his career anyway? If Luka and Gareth were desperate to leave for Wigan Athletic, then I would be very concerned......
MAN ON!
MAN ON! Bale left Tottenham after 6 seasons without winning a single trophy! Did Pedro go to Real to win his trophy's, did Fredi go to Madrid to win his trophy's ? Did the Prince go to Madrid to be a WINNER? Caulker? Hudd? Defoe? VDV came from Madrid and was sold for the cash by the bean counter, same with Corluka a vastly superior right back to anything we have now! BAE is on another level o Rose but was sent away to save on the wages etc etc etc. Please don't use the Luka, Bale Madrid moves as an excuse for Levy/Lewis's dreadful on the pitch record at THFC. Why? The sells of Modric and Bale raised over 120 million quid and what did the little loser do with it. He built a worse team, because is a bean counter, not a football man! ItalianYiddo sum's the whole thing up Perfectly when he writes "Levy got lucky with Comolli who brought in our best talent and guess what he got the sack too, good bean counster, rubbish football administrator"... ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
Pele10 surfaces again avoiding the questions asked of him... all he does is OUT Levy, Lewis and ENIC... leads me to think was Pe;e10 rejected by the trio ?
Highgatespur
Pele - we agree on something, I would prefer it if Levy didn't buy our players, but when 'Arry was buying them we were getting the aging ones in. Comparing us to teams that have won trophies is pointless, if there was a proven formula that guaranteed success, everyone would use it, and then not everyone would have the success....you need a massive amount of luck to win cup competitions. I am struggling to recall a time (so genuinely correct me if I've blanked one out) when Levy didn't back our managers financially in a transfer window....
King26
Pele. Sorry but how long was Huddlestone at Spurs? 8 seasons! Corluka played 18 times for us in his last 2 seasons. I won't go on.....
MAN ON!
King26, I would say if rumours and hearsay are correct: Muotinho and Hulk when AVB wanted them ?
Highgatespur
Highgate....yeah, I'd overlooked them. AVB definitely wanted Moutinho...I think he would have come to us also, £25 mil and we possibly should have done that deal. But Hulk went for closer to 60 mil I think? that's just a ridiculous price for a player thats massively overrated imo. Moutinho I'll give you, damn you Levy!!! why didn't you do the deal?! ENIC OUT!!!! *said with a degree of sarcasm*
King26
Barry MCPheat - now that sounds like a sensible way to rationalise but then there's the supporters/fans way of thinking ....
Highgatespur
I agree wholeheartedly Barry...
MAN ON!
How much dosh would I need to buy ENIC out? Euromillions jackpot is 109m on Friday. Damn, that'll just get me Bale and one half of Modric, if that. I could invest in Wimbledon. Either one.
MAN ON!
Barry - spot on. You've just restored my faith in VitalFootball in one post! lol (no offence to anyone else who's been in agreement throughout!!!)
King26
Guys, Just wanted to say thank you soooooooo much for your debating. The idea of writing the article was to have a great debate that was a little different from ITK's bull and discussing players in/players out.

something if you like to detract from the fact the window is shut and we still have 24 hrs to go before the WC kicks off!

Thank you! honestly, even Pele for his comments (even if he did detract from actually naming a replacement for ENIC! :-P)

Although I still think (Very much with tongue in cheek) that Pele10 is a gooner in disguise :-)

COYS ILIT TTID
YT_Boy
Nicely put Barry Mc.. "The one I want out is that**** of a company that's sat right where our new centre spot is going to be."

Class...
Highgatespur
Great article YT_Boy .... an excellent refreshing read.... Thank you.
Highgatespur
Barry McPheat, rather than let fatty Pickles ***** about for months and months with the CPO, Archway Sheet Metal should have suffered a mysterious and devastating fire in their premises about 2 years ago.
Frank
Any mad, arsonist Spurs fans out there, please step forward.
MAN ON!
Why do people think Pele10 is required to name a replacement for ENIC just because he says he wants them to sell? When someone decides to sell their house, do we demand in advance that they name who the new owner will be when they put up the for-sale sign? How would Pele10 know who will bid on Spurs if the team were put up for sale? Isn't it really a matter of pot luck who ends up buying a team? Fifty percent of marriages end in divorce, so even if you can name the new owner, it doesn't guarantee that anything will work out. lol. Now let's stop telling Pele10 that he needs to name his choice for owner every time he calls for ENIC OUT. Let Prince Charles's Trust buy the team and hand it over to those opinionating on Vital Spurs to run it with his money. lol. Then we can sell Balmoral Castle to finance a LB, a CB, and a new CF.
Falstaff the Fool
People seem to forget that THFC is about more than just 11 players on the pitch. Since ENIC have come in they have done a lot of good in the community, as well as improve the overall state of the club. I've never once heard ENIC state a desire to sell the club to the highest bidder, but it is often written on here as if it were fact! I don't always agree with the decisions taken by Levy, but in the last 14 years he has improved Spurs for the better and appears to want to improve them further with the new stadium and the benefits this will bring.
Paul - THFC Forever
sorry guys couldn't make time to continue the debate..I'm sure it will continue at some stage!.....my summary: ENIC's priorities are out of whack! (for us not them)...they changed the way we operated in the transfer market around 2011, Levy has levy as number 1 priority as demonstrated by his HUGE salary, taking far more our of the club in his back pocket than has been added to the transfer fund in recent years...so I just don't understand the adulation for a greedy man who could sink our club (speculation) but did not sanction investment at critical times when we had a chance of on pitch success (qualified CL, Nelson Saha etc) a matter of record...
shedboy2
pele, you state that man united do not have a better squad than ours - surely then, ENIC deserve some credit since ours cost considerably less to buy and our wages are considerably lower; they must be doing something right ;)
Guernman
 

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