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ENIC out - Really?

ENIC out - Really?

OK, I know I am putting myself in the sights of many of your rifles with this article, but I truly hope you read it, and more importantly comment on this based upon your thoughts of the team/club and not me personally

I have supported Spurs since I could burp COYS as a baby! I have seen Trophy success, I have seen Relegation, I have seen Promotion. I really have been a lifeline supporter of this truly great club.

I have seen fans come and go, I have seen many MANY players and managers come and go. Few things remain - The CLUB, The Motto, The History.

History however is in the past. We need to look to the future. I am seeing increased Hatred towards ENIC and in Particular Levy. Too be honest - it really p***es me off!

Why I hear you ask?

Because without Levy and ENIC we would have no club that has consistently performed (within the top 8 teams) within the Greatest League in the world.

ENIC and DL bought us stability! Yes we have lost players and managers. It's a business! Do you still work at the job you started when you left school? NO! Everyone moves on (with very few exceptions such as Ledley The King for instance) even Managers.

Football is a results game and if we don't get the results we want then the managers ultimately get the sack. It's life, that's what happens.

We however no longer as fans own the club through the stock markets and therefore have no say in who runs the company. We do however have a say in what we feel as fans. That said, after 15 seasons in charge it's pretty certain that ENIC want whats best for us as a club.

They have HUGE plans for expansion which are only being held up by legal matters in obtaining compulsory purchase orders. (FYI once the Compulsory Purchase Orders are sanctioned the seller has 3 years to vacate) so this is not going to happen overnight!

I therefore politely request you get behind DL and ENIC and stop the bitching aimed at them. YOU cannot change what they are going to do and YOU have no say in it. Flogging and a dearly departed horse spring to mind!

Can't we all for once and for all, get behind ENIC, support the players, support the club, AND support the board, and do what we as the greatest fans in the world of this beautiful club do best and Sing about the greatness!

Let's not start fighting within but start SUPPORTING the club!

Supporter (Noun) a person who approves of and encourages a public figure, political party, policy, football team etc.

Now answer this question - Are you a Supporter?

COYS - ILIT - IPIT - TTID

Written by YT_Boy



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Writer:YT_Boy
Date:Tuesday June 10 2014
Time: 8:33AM

Comments

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Good article, YT.
Geofspurs
10/06/2014 08:40:00
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The answer is YES!
Geofspurs
10/06/2014 08:41:00
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Can't wait for this discussion to warm up!
Geofspurs
10/06/2014 08:42:00
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I'm with you. It's a novel idea and it might work. Then again.....
MAN ON!
10/06/2014 08:45:00
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YT - You also cannot change the manager, the players or how the team performs, that doesn't mean you can't have an opinion. I would like to read a more in depth article to why you believe ENIC and Levy are the driving factors behind Spurs past and future success, rather than a vague comment on steadying a ship. Many of our fans believe ENIC and Levy have held us back and have provided valid explanations behind their criticisms. It's unfair to expect them to change their opinion without valid reason.
RyanHotSpur
10/06/2014 08:47:00
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Lovely Levy and Likeable Lewis IN! Where's Erik? ERIK IN!
MAN ON!
10/06/2014 08:48:00
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Anyway, a sensible business listens to it's customer. Customer feedback is an important part of the development process, and thus ENIC would be wise to listen to the fans in order to maximise tier sales revenue.
RyanHotSpur
10/06/2014 08:52:00
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YT- You point to a company that got the club for a steal and applaud them for not wrecking us! It's not pretty certain that ENIC want the best for the club at all! especially on field success if they did they may have invested in a couple of decent players instead of Saha and Nelson...however, what is certain is that ENIC want what's best for ENIC and where possible fans should put pressure on them to tie this into what's best for THFC...If ENIC sell for c1b how is that good for Spurs? Your analysis seems a little Naive....you ask us to support the club..we already do..please do not confuse ENIC and THFC they a different and have differing priorities...
shedboy2
10/06/2014 08:59:00
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RyanHotSpur- who are ENIC's customers? The assumption is the Spurs fans...I would suggest their potential for profit is far greater by selling the stadium...so they just have to sell the property with a viable income so the buyer is their customer!...Spurs fans are just one plank in a strategy...along with Sainsbury's and other viable uses for the venue...but it's the fans that will pay the majority of ENIC's profit...they just need to placate the fans and keep the numbers on the waiting list inflated until they sell...
shedboy2
10/06/2014 09:06:00
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13 years = 1 carling cup 13 years = whl 36000 13 years = 12 managers we are in an historical low period of success since 1882. totaly inept ownership, with the sixth biggest epl budget
Chris Zacharia
10/06/2014 09:07:00
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Considered customer feedback is one thing and subjective speculation is another. Cynicism and wild assumption, that is biased against ENIC's business model, is not an argument against those of us that applaud them. A personal opinion is not a factual reason to knock those that disagree with it. Are Spurs, under our present owners, now in a better and more stable position, both financially and on the pitch? I believe they are. That's okay by me. Naive or not, that's just my humble opinion. I'm happy to let them get on with their job, whilst I get on with my simple and uncomplicated task of being a supporter of the great and wonderful THFC.
MAN ON!
10/06/2014 09:19:00
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YT_Boy, You tell us to all keep the faith to stay loyal to owners who have the worst trophy per season stats of any THFC owners since world war 2. Who have failed to reach a single FA Cup or European final in all that time, who have been totally dominated both on and off the pitch by the clubs main competitors for each and every season ENIC have run us, AFC. You tell us to stay loyal, when the football mercenary who now owns us has shown no loyalty whatsoever to any of his previous 5 pro football teams he has owned. That he has bought and sold Name me any multi billionaire anywhere in the world who has owned shares in more pro football clubs than Joe Lewis??? Rangers, Slavia Prague, AEK Athens, Vicenza Calcio, FC Basel and Tottenham Hotspur??? You tell us "Football is a results game and if we don't get the results we want then the managers ultimately get the sack." So the managers, who don't get the results, must get the sack, but the chairman who hires and fires them, chooses should be immune to the sack, despite his appalling record of hiring and firing???
Pele10
10/06/2014 09:23:00
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Big Bucks and the ridiculous financial reward for the successful and even not so successful, in the sport, can be seen to have ruined the beautiful game. If I forget the bottom line, which is simply the fact that I love football, then I'm lost. Levy is not a centre forward and Lewis does not pick the team. Up the Spurs!
MAN ON!
10/06/2014 09:28:00
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YT_Boy, You tell Football is a results game and yet you happy to keep the faith with an owner who has been a virtual total failure on the pitch, who has been totally dominated both on and off the pitch by the clubs main competitor. Of course your 100% correct! Football is a results game! Which is why ENIC must be driven out of OUR once great club. Because on a results basis they have been a total disaster!!! Look at the THFC honors list since ENIC came and then compare it to that of our 2 main local rivals rivals CFC and AFC. JOE LEWIS OUT!!!
Pele10
10/06/2014 09:28:00
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RyanHotSpur - That assumes the customers are rational. Expecting the sixth richest club in the premier league to be consistently in the top four is not rational. Thinking that you can keep firing managers and be successful is not rational. One of the strengths of John Henry at Liverpool is he doesn't listen to the customers. When Liverpool finished seventh he ignored calls for Rogers to sacked and just let him get on with the job.
jod
10/06/2014 09:30:00
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What needs to be distinguished, and more so, remembered, is the idea that ENIC wants what is best for ENIC, that does not necessarily point to what is best for Tottenham, they are two different parties, but united by one thing. Money.

Of course ENIC would want Spurs to do well, it is a given, the more successful a football club, on the whole, the more money it generates. However, ENIC are not into the idea of taking Tottenham to the elite status at all costs, they know this costs money, and is speculative, a risk if you like. All sound businesses are usually all about identifying risk and eliminating, therefore, is it really beyond belief to realsie that our current business model only allows for a ceiling to be achieved?, a level that I believe we have reached.

Let's be honest, the only way we are going to take the next steo is to have a rich sugar daddy who is prepared to spend his own wealth, and right it off if need be. The Russian at Chelsea is in to the tune of over £1 Billion, think about that, actually think about it. That's roughly a 1/3 rd of Lewis' wealth, crazy money, but money that sees them in the champs league more often than not. City themselves now pumping large sums into the team, it's no coincidence that the better teams are those assembled with the more expensive players.

ENIC as a business as opposed to a rich mans plaything, are not going to pay for a team of the Worlds best players, far to risky for them, it will tear up their business model, the one that sees us buy the unproven to an extent and sell for profit, as opposed to buying the proven and usually getting the best years out of them and taking a hit, offset by the monies the silverware and elite competitions bring. Far too risky, so on that basis, whilst I wish ENIC would go the extra mile once in a while and make the difference when good opportunities present themselves, I do appreciate where we are as opposed to where we were, but if we are truly to compete, then a sale has to be inevitable, hence their reluctance to make it anything other than stable and safe by spending wildly with no guarantee of success.
Cider spurs
10/06/2014 09:31:00
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They are doing good, I don't want a huge take over, that is the problem of the world, greed, instant gratification and I don't buy into it or live that way. It's bad enough as it is, all football being a business but to have a sugar daddy makes it worse, you buy success not win it. Levy make bad decisions, all businesses do, but he has kept us competing and afloat in a mad world of football. he will be here for some time imo he wants to build the stadium, that is his dream, he is a Spurs supporter, would any of us leave if we ran the club we love.
BigSpursFan
10/06/2014 09:38:00
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if levy had employed himself to be the chairman of spurs, how long would he have lasted in the job.?
Chris Zacharia
10/06/2014 09:41:00
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trouble is we're damned if they stay (and continue not to put money into the first team, not their own money but the freshly raised revenue from the past few years!) which means years of mid table mediocrity and damned if they go as the new owner will need to recoup his investment and more likely want a healthy return!(if they can sell for anything like the figure the desire)...
shedboy2
10/06/2014 09:44:00
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I know the touch paper has been well and truly lit :-)

Pele10 I appreciate you are Anti Joe Lewis, ENIC and DL in general but can you change them running the club? Can you buy them out? Can you borker a deal to replace them? Didn't think so!!!

Therefore get behoind THFC as a Team, as a Club, you claim to be a supporter. Nothing personal buddy but with you supporting us like this, I'd prefer it if you support the gooners!

It's all well and good having an opinion, but you just have a very obvious hatred (not dislike) for the board. See my definition of Supporter in the article... From where I am sat you are not supportive.

Through Thick and Thin, I will support THFC no matter WHO is in charge, no matter WHO plays. to quote a Legend - "This is MY Club, my One and ONLY Club!

COYS ILIT TTID
YT_Boy
10/06/2014 09:46:00
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All we can do now is carry on supporting the club .. I do smell another 'transitional' year though ...
Peter Agathangelou
10/06/2014 09:50:00
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Great post Man On, about where we are now...
Ossie
10/06/2014 09:51:00
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one of the disadvantages and at the same time advantages Levy has is he is completely money orientated, its an advantage because he will always get the best deal for players, sponsorships etc, as a result we've seen some of the finest players come in and out of our door, many of which have made there name and gone on to play at the very top of the game. The disadvantage of this is he's often overlooking what we actually, manager wise its been a disaster year on year, playing staff, we always seem to be over stocked in one area sacrificing another, weather it was him or Baldini that thought it would be a great idea to have a zillion midfielders and a single LB with 1-2 full seasons of premier league football either way it was a massive oversight which cost us points. How long have we been waiting for a leader in the middle or a decent striker? For years i accepted that players need to be sold to bring in more players, that where we are as a club, and i'm pretty sure Levy uses it to bring talent like Eriksen, Modric, etc through the door, but his managerial appointments and his lack of (insert) to climb that extra couple of steps have really p**sed me off over the last 10 years.
coys1717
10/06/2014 09:53:00
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YT_Boy (ENIC apologist) tells us, "Let's not start fighting within, but start SUPPORTING the club!" Lets no fight within he tells us? When all we the fans see (have witnessed for 14 seasons) is Daniel Levy fighting within! With his DOF's, his football coaches, his players, with local business's, with the local council, with the OS committee. That's all the little LOSER does! Fight, get into legal disputes, and contractual terminations with the very people he chooses (hand picks) to employ! He hires, then he fights, then fires each and everyone of his head coaches and DOF's... ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
10/06/2014 09:54:00
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I actually mean't to say, 'objective speculation'...
MAN ON!
10/06/2014 09:54:00
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Totally agree with the article . I get as frustrarted as anyone, particularly when you feel you are nearly there on the cusp of a real challenge and you get your legs cut from underneath you. However Ive said many times be careful what you wish for. You need only speak to the Cardiff City fans in my office who reached the promised land at a massive cost. I have a signed spurs photo in my house with the team pre Enic and it really does beggar belief. Bunjevic, Acimovic, Doherty etc. The only thing more depressing is that it cost me over 200 sheckles FFS, it truly is shickingly bad and how I managed to brainwash my kids with that lot is some achievment. There is simply no comparison to what we are today and the fact we actually have or had players that the likes of Madrid covet shows the improvement. Could they have done more to keep the likes of Bale or Modric??? Maybe, persoanally I thought they did as much as they reasoanbly could. Enic are accused of being in it for the money,but that is modern day footbal, life in general, capatalism, globalisation etc etc. Unfortunatly its just the way of the world. I hate it as much as the next man, but it isnt changing any time soon.However with the exception of a certain rich Arab, or Russian Oligarch I feel safe under their stewardship, we may not spend as much as these clubs but we havent exactly been stingy in the last decade, and have been more than competative in the transfer market and landtake for the stadium. The market was settling down 5 or 6 years ago but Citeh have unfortunatly muddied the water and created more imbalance & again a spike in transfer costs now increased further with the likes of PSG, Monaco, Zenit etc. We are unfortunatly playing catch up for the woeful 90s where we lost huge ground. Levy is also accued of being trigger happy. Do we honestly believe he wants to spend £5m a pop on compensation. Im sure he like every other Chairman would like 10 years of stability with success. Howver 10 yeas of stability with the right man is great, stability under the wrong man can send you a long way down. In their time only Jol was really unfortunate imo and he hasnt exactly gone on to prove sucesful since. Every other manager had either proven not good enough, or in Harrys case had gotten too big for his boots eith the England scenario. Lets not forget AVB had enough and wasnt neccasarily pushed also. The next argument is, "but Levy employed these people" look at what Liverpool etc have done recently. Ask any Liverpool fan and not one had any real faith in Rogers, the same with Martinez at Everton. With the exception of Mourinho every manager you employ is not a garuntee but a leap of faith. Liverpool landed on their feet, we didnt, as did countless others. Enic obviously favour the Tecnical Director & HC pproach as this minimizes the impact of transition hopefully Poch gives us the stability we need.
gatch75
10/06/2014 09:55:00
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@jod - brilliant point regarding expectancy of the sixth richest club in the PL to be in the top 4! We have been punching slightly above our weight in recent times and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. We can look at history all we want, but the fact is that we are probably where we should be at this moment. I tend to agree that ENIC have brought us around as far as they are willing to and I think they are trying to do what the Arse did. And if we are being honest, no-one would complain if we got a Wenger type figure and transformed the club without needing a sugar daddy. Chances of that happening are slim though. I like the sentiment of the article - if you look at other owners/chairmen, are we truly that bad off? I mean, the grass isn't always greener and all that...
trevox
10/06/2014 09:55:00
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at what point does the disgruntled supporters of a football club get to vote out the board?
Chris Zacharia
10/06/2014 09:57:00
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Coffee smelling course required!!

ENIC have done a good job but they have also taken Spurs as far as they can, if we are all happy finishing between 5th and 8th every year, with the odd 4th thrown in and maybe a cup run to end in tears way before a final then you're right ENIC are great.
I for one am fed up with the constant change, change in Manager, players and even direction. You point out that people move on and you're spot on, people will always move on to better things, the question is why ENIC and Levy are not trying to make Spurs that better place.

I do totally agree with you regarding getting behind the team/players/manager, any frustrations should now only be directed at Levy as he is the one that has got away with bad decision after bad decision. When a manager doesn't achieve the given target he is changed by Levy, we really need Levy to be under a similar microscope!!!

Let's all get behind Poch and the team, turn WHL into a fortress where the noise alone frightens the opposition, the atmosphere at every home game should match the level of the Champions league nights. Oly us fans are to blame for that.......
yiddyboy
10/06/2014 10:01:00
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It could be worse..... It could be better. It ain't that bad though, is it? Spurs are just one of the vast majority of football clubs that haven't won anything for a while. To be where we are without the substantial financial reward that winning trophies and continued CL qualification alone brings, is pretty good going, especially when we look down the league to where so many of the other 'great clubs' are now at.
MAN ON!
10/06/2014 10:05:00
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gatch75 - AMEN BROTHER!!!

COYS
YT_Boy
10/06/2014 10:07:00
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Another manifesto ENIC IN PELE10 IN, JL,DL OUT someone please let Pele10 there is NO election. Put up the money Pele10 for the takeover - about time ?
Highgatespur
10/06/2014 10:10:00
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If you think enic have done a good job you should be ashamed of yourselves, whats in store for the next 13 years?, maybe another carling cup?, or 12 more managers. Remember our history, we used to be the cup kings, home and europe, weve done doubles and held numerous records. for me anymore of this inept rubbish, well drive me mad we are now an incubator for ___________ insert big club here.
Chris Zacharia
10/06/2014 10:14:00
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From a business side Enic have been very good. Unfortunately the club hasn't quite moved to that next step and I believe ENIC want that. In many ways we are looking for our own 'Wenger' (sorry to bring them in it) but now with Pochs, unless he really messes up we should have a manager for at least 2 years regardless next yr of not getting CL football next season. And if he messes up, then the Levy would be under pressure, to ensure the footballing side is run without some of his inteferences or get a structure that suits a type of manager, which I believe Pochettino is a better fit, than Boer and Gaal. For no matter how good the manager they must be able to work with Levy and Co. Only Ancelotti or Benitez (no way!) might work well with Levy and Co.
T-spur5
10/06/2014 10:14:00
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One thing I dont agree with is this notion that if you pay the 6th highest in wages or 6th in transfer fees thats where your destined to come. Dortmund, Liverpool and Athletico have ended that notion for me. Get a team of quality players, with a common goal, a collective spirit and team ethos and a smart coach and you can achieve great things. We have most of those attributes in place imo & we are very very close to having sucess. I think thats what makes us get so wound up with Enic. Just when we are about to mount a challenge we get cherry picked and we seemingly start from scratch.
gatch75
10/06/2014 10:17:00
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ENIC brought us the stability of a sub-top club. But what really a glorious club like Spurs needs are owners who have the financial and managerial ability and willingness to bring the club where it belongs: the EPL and international top. We aren't WHU or Fulham. It's a pity that there are some Spurs fans who have the same ambition for their club as the supporters of the aforementioned clubs: to reach the sub-top of the EPL and to win once in a few decades a trophy.
Ioan X
10/06/2014 10:17:00
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Chris Zacharia. One double and that was 53 years ago.
MAN ON!
10/06/2014 10:17:00
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Good post yiddyboy...
Highgatespur
10/06/2014 10:17:00
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Some supporters of THFC support Enic. Some supporters of THFC don’t support Enic. I would imagine that’s fine by Enic because you can’t please all of the supporters all of the time, and I’m sure they can live with that. The reality is that Enic Runs THFC and that won’t change until Enic wants it to. The only choice supporters have is to keep on supporting the club, or stop. That’s not a choice for me.
Geofspurs
10/06/2014 10:18:00
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Ironic really, but if you have a good read of what you wrote, you answered your own question. You said that in this day and age its unfortunately a results run business, you don't get the results, you get sacked, simple. You also said that you have seen managers come and go, quite a few of them it sounds. My point is, what about the people above the manager i.e Daniel Levy and the Enic board who employ these managers they seem to have got rid of every single one of them, in a very short space of time. It is most definitely time for a change and for some real investment in the team, before you say we spent £110M last year add up all the money received by the players we sold, you'll find give or take a Million we didn't spend anything, we squandered £110M on players that are simply not good enough, excluding Eriksen of course, 1 out of 7 is bad in my book when your spending that kind of money. For that reason alone they should go, forget every other season.
Anthony Borg
10/06/2014 10:20:00
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I have accepted that under ENIC we have reached our ceiling , they have a plan to sell , i'm sure they know at what price they will sell and don't want to take the club above a level that will narrow their potential buying market . As a supporter it frustrates the hell out of me as my only focus is footballing success . I would loved to have seen ENIC have as solid a footballing strategy as they do financially , actually over recent seasons any semblance of a footballing plan would have been appreciated . I live in hope this season see's a change .
sandroman
10/06/2014 10:21:00
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100% agree with the article. No person or regime is perfect, and ENIC, Levy etc have not been perfect. But they have progressed the club, and the team in more than one way. I have seen the progression we have made, and I see little reason to believe that our progression will stop. I want us to continue to progress, and a change of ownership could jeopardize that, and could bring us back down to pre-Enic levels. I acknowledge that a change could also improve us. You never know. But until I see us significantly faltering, I am more than content that the job we are doing from Jol, Ramos, Harry, Avb to Poch vastly outweighs the Ardilles, Francis, Gross, George Graham times. We have hit the buffers a little since Harry, but still in there. Still in with a chance of getting our goals. If we stay thereabouts, we can get the stadium in and truly make great strides. The worst thing we could do is let it slip, get the stadium in, but cannot fill it because we have become a mid table team again. People consider not getting 4th as a failure, when we have only finished that high twice in the EPL era. 5th is not a failure for us right now. People talk about the frequent manager changes.... Well if you look, nearly every team changes their manager just as frequently as us. Alan Pardew is one of the longest serving - and it ain't that long! Besides, would you want him as our manager for that long....? Or AVB? No thanks. If the football is dull for 1.5 seasons, or you are in danger of finishing several places below expectation, or even look like relegation is certain, then sacking the manager could be seen as astute. Plus the frequent manager changes have not really affected us too much: 2x Fourth place, 4x Fifth place, 1 league cup across four managers. It could be a lot worse. Changes in OWNERSHIP would hurt us more. I would rather have ENIC than most owners in EPL anyway, because there is proof of improvement. To sum up, yes mistakes they made a few, but I still see us moving onwards and upwards.
TonyRich
10/06/2014 10:22:00
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Good post, gatch75.
Airwave
10/06/2014 10:25:00
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Geof, if that were to be completely true, we'd still have Mr Sugar at the helm !
Highgatespur
10/06/2014 10:27:00
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Geof, if that were to be completely true, we'd still have Mr Sugar at the helm !
Highgatespur
10/06/2014 10:27:00
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There are number of very good points made here. I remember, we were a club in debt when Sugar took over and turned us around. Enic has surprised me at least with type of business they have done over the years and still keeping us as one of the major clubs in PL. Having said all that they haven't learnt one lesson - Get the right manager, support and stick with him for couple of years at least. I say this as any top club that is not running on oil money gets to the top by having the right development policy for youth and an Ideology that the club, the fans, the manager and players buy into. This is the next step for us. Our history with what was known as push and run football is a very good example of success the right way. If ENIC fires this new manager like they did with AVB, then it is time for ENIC to move on and all fans should push for that. However, I think they may have learnt their lesson. Pat
Pat Gan
10/06/2014 10:28:00
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Chris Zacharia, surely you have to consider where we have come from when weighing up success. Unfortunatly our biggest down turn on & off the pitch coincided with the start of the PL and we lost massive ground on our historical competitors. We literaly lost 10 years in stadium development and our investemnt in the team was woeful. Success is relative but lets not forget we hadnt had any European football for years until Enic took over now its a disaster if we dont get 4th. Through good investment and scuting we now sign the likes of Bale, VDV, Modric Berba, Paulinho,(cough) in place of Doherty, Bunjevic, Tramezzani, Toda, Berti, etc The list is endless. We cant just compare Spurs now to the 60s or 80s. Its a totally different animal and a totally different race. Sadly we started way down the pack but weve moved forward. What frustrates imo is that feeling of so near yet so far.
gatch75
10/06/2014 10:29:00
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Blind faith in any organisation is never a good thing. I can't agree that we all should be signed up members of the ENIC flag waving brigade because they are associated with Spurs. I believe everyone is entitled to be questioned and examined on their performances and motives. A healthy audit of perfromances is always a good thing and generally leads to a healthy and more productive position. All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

However I have checked the spelling in that last quote and it does infact say EVIL and not ENIC. They have improved the club finacially, have improved the infrastructure of the club considerably and are in the (very slow process) of improving the stadium. Success measured poorly in trophy haul hasn't been great, the lack of stability within the club hasn't help this situation. In fact its one of the big conradictions of the ENIC era, they can patiently wait decades for the Stadium to be build so that ENIC may sell us and achieve huge success but wouldn't allow managers more then Eighteen months to over achieve with the squads we have. If they applied a little more of that business savvy to the footballing side of the house maybe Pele10 would be Joe Lewis and Daniel Levy's biggest fan.

In summary and to qoute probably the greatest polical party of all time: "A lot done more to do".
Slurms McKenzie
10/06/2014 10:32:00
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For those people saying " be wary what you wish for " in regard some wanting ENIC out , when the time comes for ENIC to sell i'm sure their last worry will be for your welfare as a supporter of SPURS , at the time of sale if the new prospective buyer appears to be a " Tan " or " Venky " i'm sure their last concern will be for the future of SPURS as a footballing entity , their only question of any new owner will be " is the money in our acct yet" . There will be a gamble whenever they sell .
sandroman
10/06/2014 10:32:00
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GATCH 75, enics "improvement" followed an unprecedented low in our history . i,e "the nineties", where we won only one fa cup and one carling cup however its still a failed 13 year tenure. i.e no success. TIME TO WAKE UP.
Chris Zacharia
10/06/2014 10:39:00
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WHLN17london. agree enic have bled us dry and turned us into a spit fire. Stop apologizing for failure. we have the sixth biggest budget, with no success. totaly inept board.
Chris Zacharia
10/06/2014 10:42:00
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all those that think enic are doing a good job: what do you expect from the next 13 years? please consider the last.
Chris Zacharia
10/06/2014 10:44:00
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Yes we need stability with the running of the team, I do not question that. We need DL and Co to get us a manager that we can have a 10 year run with knowing the club is performing on the balance sheet aswell as the pitch. I truly believe that is what Daniel Levy has been trying to do since he came in. He has made mistakes I'm not questioning that. I actually thought once HR came on board we then had the next 10 Yr manager (Up until Capello quit England and The HMRC issue!)

Is Poncettino the man to do it for us now? Who knows? All I know is I am behind them no matter what. I Love this Club!

I am sat writing these posts wearing my Spurs shirt! Over the numerous decades I have supported this club I give them 100% everytime.

Yes I want 38 wins a season, who doesn't?

I would Love to see trophies lifted season upon season, I do however believe those days will come.

You may call it blind faith, I call it Being a Spurs Fan!

COYS ILIT TTID
YT_Boy
10/06/2014 10:47:00
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Fair comment Chris Zach. although imo the ones who compare us with a bygone era with a divine right to success need the reality check. With the exception of City and Chelski who dont have to consider any form of budget I think we have the best of the rest. The alternatives that the majority of the others have are either your Ashley, Lerner, Allem, Tan, Venkys, who have ripped out the sole of the club or Gibson, Kenwright who are the old school local boy comes good, loves the club but hasnt got a pot to ***** in compaed to the rest. Liverpool are flavour of the month for no other reason than they came up trumps with Rogers. We just havent found our Rogers yet, but its not for the want of trying.
gatch75
10/06/2014 10:50:00
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I think it is time for a Oligarch or a sheikh or a US businessman or a Spurs fan residing in Germany to come forth and buy the club and help us reach that 'dreamland' that most of us wish for. In the meantime, I hope that DL steps aside to concentrate on completing the "stadium project" as well as attract new investors / investment opportunities for the club. DL has proved to be wanting in the role he has now and he of all people ought to realise he isn't good at it. I would hate a takeover from someone else than the ones like at Citeh and Chelski. Time to put aside the romanticism of succeeding without these money makers. It can be done in a very positive way. COYMS!!!
Highgatespur
10/06/2014 10:51:00
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I see we missed out on Joe Cole, ENIC Out!!!
Slurms McKenzie
10/06/2014 10:53:00
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And we will have success if Poch comes good. Its as simple as that. Investemnt is not the problem, we have not found the right manager, or Head coach in decades. As Ive said before its easy to blame Levy but its a leap of faith. Ramos in theory ticked all the Boxes, Hoddle was seemingly the perfect candidate ticked evry box and then some, AVB had the credentials etc.
gatch75
10/06/2014 10:56:00
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Wigan Athletic, FA cup winners 2012-13 and semi-finalists 2013-14. Where are they now? Man City, FA cup losers, 2012-13. PL champions 2013-14..... It's not just a question of winning the odd cup every now and then. Football has changed and money dictates continued success, not the ability to win the odd cup here and there. Are Wigan Athletic to be considered more successful than Spurs? They are certainly not in the same league as City.
MAN ON!
10/06/2014 10:58:00
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YT_boy , I think the days of 10 year managers are gone , not just the PL , all over the world manager's tenure's are rarely more than 3 or 4 yrs , less if no apparent quick improvement . We'll never see the likes of Fergie or wenger again . Everybody wants it now , just the way of the world now . I see it in all sports not just football . Even LVG at Manure will have an axe over his head , they wont accept just a gradual improvement ,they will expect success if not next season definitely the one after or he will be gone .
sandroman
10/06/2014 11:02:00
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Man On they're not in the same league as Spurs either...
Slurms McKenzie
10/06/2014 11:03:00
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If you go against ENIC and DL you're an idiot! I'll repeat that, you're an idiot! You negative Nancy's know nothing of the current state of the game or how to keep up with clubs generating twice our revenue yet we still run a profit year after year! Levy is genius! If you want someone to be angry at look no further than Archway Sheet Metal! @archwaysm - these are the mercenaries and single reason for our new stadium not getting under way! (And if they have their way will never sell or will make us wait 3 years to leave by order!) So just to clarify: if you hate DL you're an idiot!! If you want lord sugar to return and resign Christian Gross so we can finish between 12th and 17th every season I'm sure they're not up to much these days! There's no Billy Nick or Burkinshaw these days, just Shieks and Russians trying to buy the league and we're running closer to them every year!! COYS!!!
Dan Sellings
10/06/2014 11:04:00
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Slurms McKenzie... You know what I meant.
MAN ON!
10/06/2014 11:05:00
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Dan , "we are running at a profit year after year" , wrong , ENIC run a profit year after year , I've yet to see a penny . As for running closer to the rich boys every year ,well last season we finished further from them than we have for the last 5 . Just another idiot's view tho .
sandroman
10/06/2014 11:20:00
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It all becomes easy once you realise and accept the situation that is ENIC. Very easy to question lack of trophies Champions league etc since ENIC came in, after all, City were constantly winning the prem pre money weren't they?, Chelsea added to that fact, always first in the queue for the Worlds best players pre Oligarch money, right?.

We have not fulfilled the ambitions many of us desire granted, but that is because we do not have the resources, forget Lewis is vastly wealthy, he chooses to spend elsewhere, therefore our finances are far inferior to the likes of Chelsea and City, strange that they are winning leagues and qualifying if not winning the champs league. How can we blame ENIC for that.

We are run by a completely different business model, one that will forever see us be roughly where we are with maybe the odd over achievement thrown in. You can be miffed that we are behind at the races, but if you never understand that under ENIC this is our lot, you'll never be at peace.

Let's look at it this way, I'd suggest if we took the City and Chelsea money away, they would be hard pushed to eclipse us season on season, it really comes down to us doing a grand job, but we are defeated by those who are owned by people prepared to spend far greater sums of money. Say we start spending the same as Chelsea and City on players wages and signings, then they get took over by even richer owners, ones prepared to offer even more in signing players and wages, are we not left in exactly the same position as present?, most things in life will have a limit that people are prepared to pay for, whether it be cars, houses, holidays the list is endless. Football is no different, we have owners who are only prepared to spend so much if any of their wealth.

You can be miffed by the fact that they don't spend it on the club, that's fine, but please do not believe they have been poor at what they do, they are very good at what they do, the problem being, it does not fit in with what we want therefore it's deemed poor. They are actually very good at keeping us at the level they are comfortable with, like I say, everyone has a price they are comfortable with, a limit. Our current owners choose to operate at this level and actually do it rather well.
Cider spurs
10/06/2014 11:23:00
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gatch75 cheers mate, but theres nothing in the past about having the sixth biggest epl budget, and being in the current top 15 richest clubs in the world. these are facts, a good board would have turned that into success. as our history suggest. We are being bled wake up time.
Chris Zacharia
10/06/2014 11:24:00
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Spot On Cider
gatch75
10/06/2014 11:27:00
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Slurms, Fianna Fáil, 2002. Boom then hugely bust lol! Very fitting to the potential success or demise of THFC!
Dublin Hotspur
10/06/2014 11:27:00
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LOL!...Point put across...and no need for me to call anybody an idiot.
Cider spurs
10/06/2014 11:27:00
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Chris .... Over the next 13 years I expect to see a new stadium to go with our state-of-the-art training facility, a competitive football team (no matter who they’re playing against), a team competing for the game's highest honours, and some silverware. But, whatever the next 13 years brings, one thing is for sure ... I’ll still be supporting THFC.
Geofspurs
10/06/2014 11:31:00
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Well said Cider! Those who think Enic is pocketing any money from the club must have missed the fact we've just spent £45mil on the best train ground in Europe. £100mil+ on the squad last season n want to build a £400mil brand spanking new stadium that will double our season revenue and make our Fifa fair play budget double in return. Lewis makes bank on all his other companies but at the end of the day he and Levy are Tottenham supporters, they live and breathe the club and will do everything in their power and budget to get us as high as possible in the league without putting us in ridiculous debt! (£400mil man utd now owe)
Dan Sellings
10/06/2014 11:36:00
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Good comment, Cider. That’s how I see it, and that’s how I’ll enjoy it.
Geofspurs
10/06/2014 11:38:00
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As a businessman, I can honestly say that I have not seen Levy run Spurs optimally for a decade. What do I mean by that statement? First of all, Levy is fantastic on the top line i.e. the revenue. He has grown it by tireless work with getting sponsorship, maximising gate receipts and by our constantly high position in the league with the Prem / TV money. However, when you look at the bottom line it's not such a pretty sight. Every year Levy's company wastes money hand over fist. We either make bad purchases or we waste millions on salaries of surplus players who have no tangible benefit to the 1st team. He has let squads proliferate and not stood up to his managers and DoF's and made them work within boundaries. Let's face it, we can all name loads of players who have been more of a financial burden than a football benefit to the club.

My other beef with Levy is his people skills. I honestly don't believe he can read people as well as most MD's or CEO's. He comes across more as a back office guy rather than a sales and marketing DNA where you expect the relationship building and judgments to be sound.

That all being said, let's not forget one thing. Football clubs are tiny, tiny businesses that would be small blips in the real world of commerce. Don't confuse the fact that they are in the public eye with no ability to hire and pay for the best professionals. The players get the lions share of the OPEX and the office staff are just on a par with the rest of us, if that. If Levy was a top, top businessman then he would be earning 3 times as much in the finance of IT sector and leading armies of staff. He probably has a staff of 50-100 people which puts him in a middle to senior manager position in most companies. Let's face it, he's no Joe Lewis or Alan Sugar. He's just a Spurs fan in an MD position of a very small company in the grand scheme of things.
muttley
10/06/2014 11:39:00
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This is simply a debate between those who are happy to sit pretty in that 5-8th spot and never win a cup and those who would like to see a gamble on new ownership to push further. Sure sometimes it's better the devil you know than the devil you don't but I think in this case it's pretty obvious that Spurs aren't going to go any further without some investment in the team. If ENIC was to throw 50-100m of their own money into the club transfers I think people would take to them better, as their ambition would then reflect the fans. Unfortunately ENIC only recycle the cash in flows, which simply isn't enough to win you a Champions league place let alone a PL title... ENIC are more than capable of injecting huge cash flow into the clubs transfer kitty, but perhaps they are unwilling.
RyanHotSpur
10/06/2014 11:40:00
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ENIC will sell when the stadium is completed. In my opinion either to maple leaf sports and entertainment, or to a Chinese interest ( hint, breaking the huge potential of the Chinese market through our sponsorship deal with AIA). It may happen sooner but I doubt it. The boys know what they are doing with the prep of the property side of things, and the courting of potential suitors. A rush on this process could land us with a Vincent tan or venky type owner. Or a massimo cellino type who is in it for a very quick buck! ENIC have gone as far as they can with on the pitch success ( or lack of), but as slurms, or rather Bertie aherne eluded to, there is indeed a lot done, but some more to do with regard to shoring up both ENICS and thfc's future.
Dublin Hotspur
10/06/2014 11:44:00
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RyanHotSpur. No, it's not "simply a debate between those who are happy to sit pretty in that 5-8th spot and never win a cup".
MAN ON!
10/06/2014 11:45:00
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