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Just as we don't appear to have much patience when it comes to managers we seem to have a similar attitude when it comes to players.

One thing that the club have improved a lot in the past ten years is the development of young players, admittedly from a very low base. Its something Sherwood deserves some credit for and I keep asking myself why, if Levy had no intention of keeping him as manager, he was prepared to put the academy at risk just to fill the manager's shoes for half a season.

One point Sherwood made about player development was that even with the loan system there comes a point where you have to play these prospects, or there is no point in developing them in the first place. But its the close season and once again its all about transfers, about bringing in players. This would be fine if we were City and could buy anyone we liked, but we aren't.

Like any club trying to punch above our weight we need to make the most of whatever we already have and spend money to fill the gaps. There are at least two players at the club for whom next season is to my mind crunch time, we play them regularly and develop them or we waste them.

The first is Nabil Bentalab, three years younger than Christian Eriksen and already representing Algeria in the World Cup - yet Spurs fans seem to completely under rate him. Maybe its because, in Sherwood's words, 'he has a bit of everything' rather than being a clearly defined type of player. But a player who can control a ball, hold off an opponent and pass accurately and also defend is valuable to any team.

His game still needs work, his tackling particularly, but if he can play like this at 19 imagine what he could be like at 22. Harry Kane is a year older, so theoretically less room for improvement. But quality strikers are the rarest and most expensive players in football and at the end of last season Kane showed he could score goals in the Premier league.

The problem is a manager, especially with our hire and fire culture, focuses on short term results, if that means we don't develop the talent we should its the club's problem not his. He doesn't worry about the long term because for him there probably is no long term. Which is why I will worry until I see exactly how Pochettino is going to operate. F

or me a club like ours can't succeed unless we turn the prospects we are now developing into the finished product, we can't buy a successful squad we have to build it. That takes a long term view, unfortunately we have a short term culture.

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Date:Thursday June 26 2014

Time: 8:18AM

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Bentaleb's ability to keep hold of the ball has been awesome - really convincing for Algeria so far.
SamParadise
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26/06/2014 08:30:00

Why does sherwood deserve credit? How do we know what he actually did in the youth setup? Chris Ramsey was part of the youth setup long before sherwood came on the scene, maybe he should take more credit. Sherwoods talent spotting leaves a lot to be desired. As reports have stated, he turned diwn sterling and suarez!!!
The Hudd
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26/06/2014 08:41:00

The academy will benefit having Pocho as head coach. Pocho will look at the academy as a rich source of untapped talent and will look to improve the kids to help the squad. Why spend millions on players when you have home grown talent at your disposal. IMO this is Pocho and Levy's thinking for now and the future. Levy has seen what Pocho has done with the kids at Southampton. Things are looking up at Spurs. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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26/06/2014 08:59:00

jod. Good article and I agree with your sentiments. I've read a lot of people saying that Nabil should be loaned out. Kane too. Why do that when both showed good promise the minute they were promoted to the first team? I'm almost certain that if we'd bought them both for a few million each and they played as they did, they would have been more appreciated. Kane looked confident, worked hard and took most of his chances very well. Bentaleb has looked more assured in the Wold Cup than Paulinho, Dembele and all. I think they could be suffering from their association with Sherwood bringing them on. Forget him and focus on them. He's gone and they remain... I would love to see those two in particular, feature a lot more next season... I also hope that Pochettino can give a few more a chance to progress and develop in the first team. I myself find it far more satisfying watching young talent come up from within THFC than, when spending a fortune on an outsider. One that may be won't have the same desire and loyalty as a younger talent brought through the academy or, as with Bale, a young player with potential to shine and up their game in the PL. Not on loan with QPR or Norwich etc., but with Spurs........ Yid Army!
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 09:12:00

Been impressed with Benteleb throughout the World Cup. The boy has done well. Even the commentators have been praising him.


LOVREN (CB)
ROJO/MARCELO./SHAW (LB)


Rumours are that we have put in a big offer for MARCELO BROZOVIC of Dinamo Zagreb..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js7hACcNJA4




Poch takes his first training session next week... so i am guessing we will know more as the days go by!
Yidmarks
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26/06/2014 09:12:00

Bentaleb is not rated by many Spurs fans, He was the target for moans and complaints "not ready" "not good enough" when introduced to the side last season. Forcing Sherwood to drop him. But if not played at this level how can h develop further!Harry Kane gets a similar encouragement. Why!
camper
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26/06/2014 09:19:00

Ramsey headed the youth academy, not Sherwood. Poch has brought in his team and we are sourcing more underage players as we speak. Some will play for us if good enough, but we can't rely on kids to fulfil our destiny! We do spend big and we have bought great talent. We have a great squad. Mismanaged to date, and I believe poch will have them playing closer to their full potential in their natural positions. Bentaleb needs a loan. He is not the best player we have for his position. He has potential but you can't do what Tim did in big games and sacrifice the likes of sandro and capoue for a youngster with potential. Selective selection or a loan for him IMO! Mcevoy is the lad we need to see this season, in early cup games or subbed on when we are winning
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 09:24:00

I think the unfair criticism of Bentaleb was really aimed at Tim. The kid has ability and needs game time. He will become a super player for us in the future. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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26/06/2014 09:25:00

Prospects fall into a few categories. Some need playing experience. These are the ones who need to be loaned out if they are not going to play each week. This often applies to young defenders, who really just need to learn from mistakes when playing frequently. Other prospects you need to find out whether they can cut it or not. These guys could benefit from a premiership loan, or could benefit greatly from some EPL playing time. Tom Carroll is this. We really need to give him a start or two. Take him off at half time if need be. Then perhaps an EPL loan may be moe possible once everyone sees him. Other prospects are in a congested area of the field. Bentaleb has this problem. He has to fight for his place alongside seasoned EPL and international players. It is going to be difficult to accomodate him, and for that reason a loan may make sense - but that is only if we do not lose a couple of surplus CM options. The other option is to make him a permanent choice for cup games. But is that enough? I think loans are useful, but sometimes it tells you nothing - for example with Kane. He had a better record for us in EPL than on loan in the 3rd tier. Perhaps some of that experience is rubbing off now, but ultimately you cannot tell how good a player is until you play him in the first team alongside the regulars. Easier said than done. Hopefully this season coming we play more to potential, and have a few games that we "walk", and in those, a couple of young'uns can be brought on.
TonyRich
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26/06/2014 09:32:00

a.k.a.james1spurs - yes, that is right. Bentaleb came in, and did initially well. But when the honeymoon period ended, we realised that Bentaleb was a fixture and Sandro was not even being considered for selection. It is a bit like that wierd scenario years back where England were selecting John Barnes who was well past his best, and there were boos. It wasn't Barnes' fault, it was his persistent selection. In this case, Bentaleb stopped being effective, and still being picked. So people moaned. Overall, Bentaleb did really well for us in tricky circumstances - change of manager mid-season, hammerings, no holding midfielders, 4-4-2 etc...
TonyRich
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26/06/2014 09:38:00

If you're good enough you'll play. Simples lol. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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26/06/2014 09:38:00

The Hudd- wasn't it Ary that turned down the shoulder biter?
Supayid
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26/06/2014 09:39:00

The ideal situation would be if our "partnership" with real was infact a partnership. Be great to send a few over there to play b team or even a few a team games. But it's not, so we have Swindon, qpr, and now more so hull to loan them too. Hull is a good team to loan players to. I do think nabil will be a good player. How good I don't know. I haven't seen much great play from him at spurs. But last season very few played to their best. For Algeria I have seen a bit more freedom than he was allowed at spurs, but still a bit cagey and the safe ball option being used. But it is Algeria after all. No stars there, just players playing with heart. A good trait and one I hope to see in nabil in a spurs shirt in the future. For now, try get him a loan to hull or palace. Keep him away from Tim if he ever gets another job though. He will again misuse him to help prove his own worth.
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 09:47:00

Supayid, he did but on Tim's scouting advice.
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 09:48:00

As MAN ON mentiones too many fans tarred Bentalab with the Sherwood brush. He always looked composed when I saw him play, the only real negative (if it is one) would be he is a little lightweight although I would say that is not so important if your skill/talent outweighs it. He is young, hungry and has an abundance of ability.
Kane did show he has improved although I not convinced he's ever going to become a 20+ goal a season player.
I'd llike to see Pritchard feature this season too, I think he has something about him.
yiddyboy
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26/06/2014 09:55:00

He probably spotted his lose screw! Great player but seriously needs physc help.... What a waste of 70/80 million pound worth of talent!
Supayid
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26/06/2014 09:55:00

In other news Dawson being linked to Hull, I'm over in the UK this weekend. I'll pick Dawson up and drive him to Hull :-)
yiddyboy
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26/06/2014 09:57:00

Dublin Hotspur - What exactly is Bentalab's position ? To me his flexibilty is one of his assets.
jod
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26/06/2014 10:03:00

Lloris
Walker, Vlad, Verts (c), Fryers
Sandro
Chadli, Erikson, Bentaleb
Soldado, Ade.

Subs: Archer, Rose, Kaboul, Paulinho, Townsend, Kane, Holtby
yiddyboy
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26/06/2014 10:04:00

Bit off topic, apologies. I have been mulling over the Suarez issue this morning. I can see the bale sale scenario panning out at Liverpool. It is now likely Suarez will be banned or sold. Many new potential signings at pool will be buying into CL football and playing with the cannibal. If he leaves, I can see a lot of rebuilding going on and a lot of peed off players at pool? Can they survive a season like we had in that respect? Albeit with a better coach in place?
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 10:05:00

Suarez missed 19 or more matches for Liverpool, within a couple of seasons, through suspension... Scored a hell of a lot of goals but also could be, in a big way, responsible for Liverpool not quite making the PL title theirs. It's all ifs and buts, apart from the obvious....
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 10:09:00

In Poch we must trust.Who would believe how many Southampton players have appeared in the World Cup thanks to Poch turning base metal into gold!An alchemist already.
Greavesaboveall
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26/06/2014 10:09:00

No jod, he is not versatile. He was played on so many positions in the hope he clicked and Tim hit the jackpot. I seem to remember him having a dire game as an AM. More a DM or box to boxer IMO. But needs to shake the short safe pass out of the majority of his play and start looking to build attacks from his position. It will come with experience I am sure, and proper coaching. Capoue does this already to a high standard and should be first pick for this position alongside the beast. Bentaleb would really benefit from some time away to gain this experience playing regularly. Tim putting full responsibility on him, and then dropping him must have shattered his confidence too. Hopefully the WC has picked him back up again.
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 10:11:00

Greaves. Archway steel must be delighted he has arrived on site so!
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 10:12:00

dublin-capoue?are you on drugs mate
tarkan mardinCOYS
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26/06/2014 10:15:00

nabil bentaleb shown up sandro,dembele and capoue up badly last season.
tarkan mardinCOYS
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26/06/2014 10:18:00

There you go, in the end Suarez could set Liverpool back to where they were without him. Was it worth all the money and risk, if it pans out that way? Equally, If he does leave Liverpool, it could also have a positive effect, as may be he was relied upon too heavily, only to ultimately let them down. I'd rather have Bentaleb and Kane at Spurs than a genius with cannibalistic and racist tendencies.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 10:20:00

i would have suarez in a heartbeat
tarkan mardinCOYS
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26/06/2014 10:21:00

Capoue and Sandro as a defensive partnership sounds good to me. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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26/06/2014 10:24:00

No tarkan. Don't forget Lewis holtby also states his favoured position as DM. We could see the best of him played there too. Capoue is class and showed it before his injury and being played as a CB. What a bloody season that was.
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 10:24:00

Dublin Hotspur - From your comments you seem to favour playing two DMs, no idea what Pochettino will actually do. I've seen Bentalab playing cautiously too, the only problem was so was everyone else in the side. I don't think anyone would expect a nineteen year old to be providing the leadership in the team, thats what experience is supposed to be for. Judging from his performances in Brazil I think its safe to say his confidence is fine.
jod
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26/06/2014 10:24:00

Hope you're right regarding his confidence jod, especially back at spurs and possibly not being first pick. I don't know how poch will set us up, but I can see him using wing backs, meaning we may need two DMs to cover when they fly. Maybe a 4231, maybe 433. Who knows. If it's one box to boxer, I give etienne the shout.
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 10:28:00

Surely if Nabil wasn't picked for Spurs in the first place he wouldn't now be playing in Brazil. He's looking like a pretty confident 19 year old to me right now.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 10:28:00

Agree also with your point of the cautious manner most players displayed last season jod. My money is on poch unlocking the shackles and much more positive football being played by whoever he picks.
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 10:30:00

You pick players on ability and form. Bentaleb seems to have both. Let's see how the players perform during pre-season. Who knows we might not have Sandro and Capoue at the start of the new season. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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26/06/2014 10:31:00

pochettino will play bentaleb ahead of sandro and capoue.i am sure of that.he prefers deep lying midfielders to out and out defensive midfielders who can pass the ball and have good composure.look at schneirderlin for example
tarkan mardinCOYS
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26/06/2014 10:32:00

one of sandro or capoue will leave if not both
tarkan mardinCOYS
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26/06/2014 10:33:00

What happens if Pochettino has us playing more 'positive' football but we lose 5-4 to Liverpool and City, instead of to nil and, finish in 7th spot?
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 10:35:00

Man on-dont matter.he should be allowed a free hit for his first season.just like brendan rodgers was
tarkan mardinCOYS
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26/06/2014 10:36:00

Nabil, I will be keeping a close eye on you tonight. Please don't let me down.... I'm sure you won't.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 10:38:00

Nice one jod. I have to agree with everything you said. I recently saw a comment that Bentaleb should be loaned out next season. What’s the point of that? He was played by TS (to his credit) and given a good run in the first team (which seemed to break from the culture of impatience we are driven by) and he performed well. He needs to play for Spurs and learn what is required when he wears the shirt; he doesn’t need to learn how some mediocre Championship team play. He now has some experience in the EPL and needs to continue to progress at THFC. He also has WC experience now which can only enhance his confidence and belief in himself. Same with Kane. Both of them have been given the opportunity to play for the first team. To loan them now would be a backward step. Use them or lose them! If they do not maintain their progress they will disappear in any case.
Geofspurs
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26/06/2014 10:38:00

tarkan mardinCOYS... I agree.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 10:38:00

MAN ON ... I've just read the comments and I seem to have repeated what you said. Sorry abut that, mate!
Geofspurs
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26/06/2014 10:40:00

Yes I can only see one of the two going. Sandro seems more likely going by the media. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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26/06/2014 10:40:00

Geofspurs. That to me sounds like less of a risk than bringing in an expensive stranger. It seems to me that people want it now but are forever let down when 'now' doesn't happen. Then again, we talk about certain coaches and players needing time but those that do well from the off are not seemingly to be afforded it. That's one hell of a contradiction to me. Que sera.....
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 10:45:00

Dublin ... Not sure it’s a good idea to play both Sandro and Capoue in MF ... maybe just for certain games.
Geofspurs
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26/06/2014 10:45:00

Now hold on here, Bentaleb is a very promising youth player. He got his break last season under Sherwood and he showed that he could cut the mustard. He then was used to cover the midfield while, Sandro, Capoue and Paulinho were unavailable, he got a decent run in the team, when the more experienced players became available he started to be used from the bench and then the bench filled up with more experienced players his chances became more limited again. To be honest thats what you want to see from your youth players that they are good enough to come in do a job for the team and keep the squad ticking over. If they show enough ability and potential then it gives the club more freedom in the pitch if we should have a walk out player or a monster bid comes in for Dembele or Paulinho!

I can see a bigger role for him at the club next season but I certainly don't see a loan move beign beneficial to him. Send him to a club where he gets first team action all season and suddenly he loves it there and wants a permanent move???? No with Paulinho being so sketchy and sandro so injury prone Bentaleb is the ideal solution.
As regards Sherwood obviously he can be credited with no good work at the club and anything that even remotely represents an achievement or success has to be as a result of someone elses work. the question you have to ask is would Bentaleb have gotten the same chance if AVB had seen out the season? But then whats the point of that lne of thinking as we have a new manager now who one of his strong points (according to Cider's statements from ex-players) is developing younger players and improving the players who play for him. On this basis Bentaleb needs to be kept at the club as does Kane who showed last season that he can have an impact for us and he actually does know where the back of the net is.
Slurms McKenzie
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26/06/2014 10:46:00

Geofspurs.. Hi. Australia did you proud. They played very well.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 10:47:00

Slurms McKenzie. Hear, hear.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 10:49:00

Cahill's volley goal of the tournament? COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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26/06/2014 10:51:00

I am very very excited about Nabil Bentalab. I see a brave and intelligent player. Who with games will be the defensive fulcrum that all good sides need. He is a player with the right mix of power and poise to recycle the ball through the defensive third to the attacking one quickly and accurately. If we manage his temper I see him as a future skipper.
spurdon
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26/06/2014 10:52:00

spurdon. I agree.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 10:53:00

a.k.a.james1spurs... Fantastic goal.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 10:54:00

Patience is relative...do we really want to use our first team as a training ground for players that may or may not be up to scratch? would we be happy being say a Villa...who sold their best players and just gave their youngsters a go?...Kane has done well on loans and in cameos and deserves a few more to see if he can sustain at our level but to rely on him or have him as a key player would be madness (see Rose last year)...I'm not sure where all the love for Bentaleb is coming from? he looks a decent player nothing more so far. He faded (as young players can) after his first few games and became a safety first sideways player....nothing wrong with that but we had 6 players that could already do that and had more to offer in other areas! IMO a loan is absolutely the best thing for him and us...we get to see if he can cut it in the PL and he gets regular game time...the alternative is that we sit or sell a guy who has already proven themselves at the highest level to play Bentaleb and hope that he progresses rapidly, worse is that he carries on playing like JJ and costs the team points and places...
shedboy2
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26/06/2014 10:54:00

slurms-avb wouldnt have noticed bentaleb.also adebayor wouldnt have had a look in and soldado would be persisted as a lone forward.i dread to think where we would have finished
tarkan mardinCOYS
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26/06/2014 10:55:00

oh and Sherwood was good at taking credit not actually doing anything...perhaps Ramsey should have gone back to the development team or Inglethorpe enticed back from 'Pool as they had a far greater positive impact on the development squad...
shedboy2
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26/06/2014 10:55:00

at this moment in time Livermore is a better player than Bentaleb...and we just sold him as the water carrier for one player we should have kept hold of...Thud....
shedboy2
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26/06/2014 10:59:00

i bet you we have more like bentaleb in the youth team
tarkan mardinCOYS
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26/06/2014 10:59:00

Agree with Tarkin,we must be patient and give Poch time to build a team.No more busoads of new players and a new manager every 6 months; that doesn't work!I'll settle for top 6 and a general impovement in the team-especially the defence which has been farcical for too any seasons.C'mon you Spurs.
Greavesaboveall
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26/06/2014 10:59:00

shedboy-the reason we are mucking up is like england we go with players with reputation rather than merit
tarkan mardinCOYS
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26/06/2014 11:01:00

tarkan - how do those players build a reputation?...
shedboy2
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26/06/2014 11:04:00

"Crunch Time" isn't that what defenders call marking Suarez???
Slurms McKenzie
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26/06/2014 11:05:00

England would have been better with Walker /lennon on the right and Cole/Townsend on the left.England had no width .Come to think of it why don't we sign Cole for that difficult left-back position.He has 2 years left in him ,I reckon.
Greavesaboveall
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26/06/2014 11:09:00

shedboy2. I also like Livermore but of course, it's very likely that he is now a Hull player because that's who we loaned him too. Bentaleb doesn't need to be loaned, he should stay and learn his trade with the club that has so far developed him, surely.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 11:10:00

Young players build their reputation in different ways. Some of the best British players in the PL were given their first team chances at a very young age. Giggs, Beckham and Rooney and Bale for example.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 11:14:00

I think AVB had Bentaleb once on the bench, as an unused sub, in the EL..
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 11:17:00

man on- disagree...by learning his trade with us you are prepared to gamble on him at the expense of results and also lose a player that has shown that they deliver consistently at a high level (pick any of Dembele, Pauli, Sandro or capoue) Livermore is at Hull not because we loaned him to them (would be nice if it worked that way as Townsend would be with 10 other clubs) but because he was considered not to be as good as what we had, surplus to requirements and importantly a salable asset....if we needed a player like him he could have come back to the 1st team this season...indeed if you gave him a call and offered him the chance of first team footy for us or Hull I'm pretty sure he would have run back...
shedboy2
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26/06/2014 11:22:00

We complain all too often that we didn't snap up young potential from other teams when they were relatively cheap and cheerful, whilst watching their stock rise elsewhere but, are not prepared to gamble on our own. Hindsight is one thing but foresight is based on risk and potential. We can't ever be sure, even if a player has already proved themselves elsewhere. This has been proved time and time again with so many players.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 11:25:00

shedboy-i couldnt care less if bentaleb was a youther or a 20 year veteran,he did a good job for us last season.you mention dembele,pauli,sandro and capoue.what did they do for us last season apart from pick up their 50-60 thousand pay cheque
tarkan mardinCOYS
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26/06/2014 11:31:00

shedboy2. Of course you're right about those Livermore points but he went to Hull and not elsewhere. Who knows, if he'd stayed, he may not have left for them or anyone else, given a further chance at Spurs. That's all if's and buts. There are many fans that are impressed with Bentaleb as much as there are many who were unimpressed with Jake.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 11:31:00

tarkan. That's it man. That's the bottom line.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 11:33:00

I've yet to see anyone say we should sell Nabil. If he's not up to scratch, then why keep him, only to loan him out?
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 11:34:00

Kane, Bentaleb, Fredricks, Townsend and Carroll are young and talented players. We do give youth a chance. I hope we get to see more of Fredericks and Kane this season coming. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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26/06/2014 11:36:00

I'm saying no more. I'll only put a curse on the young lad for tonight..
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 11:37:00

Slurms ... AVB did take us from 18th in the EPL to 7th in just five months last season!
Geofspurs
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26/06/2014 11:38:00

Good post re Kane and nabil shed. And no point in comparing development players to our first team. We didn't get the best out of any of them last year for a multitude of reasons. This season and certainly the following one will tell us much more about what we have and what is coming through.
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 11:39:00

man on - why keep him to loan?...have you not read? if he is the real deal then we have player that can come back and improve our 1st team or that we can sell for large fee...if he can't cut it we don't suffer as a result...it's a win win situation. Imo he can in no way be compared to Giggs, beckham or even Barkley...these are players that force their way into a team, who when given a chance shine...Bentaleb looked ok and then faded with a run in the team...
shedboy2
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26/06/2014 11:44:00

MAN ... Yes, I was happy with Australia’s performance. We’ve got a long way to go and being so isolated doesn’t help, but football is slowly improving here! It’s up to Algeria (which I’m sure you’d love to see) and Belgium now! Or my beloved VS Russia!
Geofspurs
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26/06/2014 11:44:00

What ever reasons we didn't get the best out of some players, there has to be good reason to highlight that both Kane and Bentaleb were both exceptions and played well in their short spells. This article is not about Sherwood and last season, it's about now and the next one.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 11:46:00

.Shed, because I disagree with you, why assume I don't read your posts carefully. I have a different POV, that's all.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 11:48:00

if some of you guys are hating on nabil bentaleb because of tim sherwood than you guys are sickos.urgh
tarkan mardinCOYS
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26/06/2014 11:49:00

shedboy2. I as yet cannot see into the future. Somebody took a risk with Giggs etc. but they may have failed. There are many others that have showed similar potential, that did fail.
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26/06/2014 11:52:00

Nabil Bentaleb was one of the promising ones from the youth squad of 2011/12... as an attacking mid... as far as I understood. I for one couldn't believe how he was kept on the pitch game after game against the higher placed teams, playing fairly average - no long ranging passes nor any defence splitting passes - two things he was known for in he youth. He than was dropped to the bench against the lower half of the table teams which a number of supporters felt weird selection. In the WC he is starting to show his attacking skills and the wide ranging passing abilities again, there's more to Nabil than the 6" passes he made last season. I reckon he has had a lucky escape in the management changes of the summer. Hopefully we'll see him flourish more at Spurs under better and more qualified coaching. But please let us not be fooled by the WC experience as many have pointed out these competition has a habit of of misguiding us.

Nabil, Harry, Andros, Alex P, Fredericks and Tom NEED to stay at the club and for the last four named to show if they are making the grade the CLUB expects if not, new pastures awaits by the end of 2014/5 season.... We are not at a stage the youngsters can take over the main roles en bloc nor can we be the generous ones giving endless contracts and then loaned out (Obika, Hall, Mason, Falque). For the last time, good work Inglethorpe and Ramsay. End of!!!
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26/06/2014 11:53:00

Ok, I concede. Bentaleb should go and be an exciting young prospect elsewhere. QPR?
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26/06/2014 11:54:00

Er.... That's all folks! Highgate has just written the conclusion to all our pointless debate. Relax, get away from your keyboards and enjoy the summer... C'mon Algeria!
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 12:00:00

highgate haha funny
tarkan mardinCOYS
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26/06/2014 12:01:00

Man on- of course you disagree...but why ask a question to which a logical answer has been explained?...and because we can't see into the future the loan option is more sensible....again with Giggs...the welsh Lamela! when a player is that good they force their way in, Gigs took his chance and shined.....Bentaleb isn't close to that level...see that bit is opinion, the loan option is logic.
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26/06/2014 12:01:00

Tarkan, no hate for nabil. I love the lad. Just don't think he is the best we have in his position YET. He could be, but needs regular playing time and experience. I don't see him getting it this season, so for me a PL loan would be ideal. We should keep Kane as backup for our key strikers whoever they may be, and bring mcevoy into the frame slowly.
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 12:02:00

why the fatuation with loan,loan ,loan
tarkan mardinCOYS
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26/06/2014 12:06:00

i say we get rid of one or two high earning central midfielders and plough the money back in more high priority areas.nabil can fill the void left by any of them
tarkan mardinCOYS
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26/06/2014 12:11:00

it makes perfect business and football sense to me
tarkan mardinCOYS
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26/06/2014 12:11:00

Or ... why not loan out Paulinho or Sandro? They were no better than Bentaleb!
Geofspurs
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26/06/2014 12:12:00

Geof. I really do t think we can judge any of our players based on last season. The next couple of seasons will tell us more for sure. In the case of the youngsters getting loan time, it's to give them the chance of regular football which they are less likely to get with us at the moment. If were talking about Pauli or sandro, it's different. We sell, not loan. But I don't think that should happen until the new gaffer has made his mind up on everyone which will take a while. There are a few obvious shouts for replacing, but IMO neither of them fit the bill.
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 12:19:00

tarkan- that makes more business than football sense...and I suspect would be the reason behind keeping Bentaleb around...shame we can't just spend some of the revenue taken from fans over the past few years to improve our weak areas...constantly robbing peter to pay Paul, recycling money, selling our best players - however you want to phrase it - is a recipe for mediocrity but we have a concrete bowl to build and a profit to make for ENIC...if only football was our main priority we might actually be able to compete...
shedboy2
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26/06/2014 12:20:00

High ... Over the years, I wonder how many young players missed their chance because of management changes or management attitudes ... GDS for one?
Geofspurs
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26/06/2014 12:22:00

Let poch decide. The window will be very interesting and I can't wait to see how we are set up to play and with whom on the pitch come Christmas!
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 12:23:00

Geofspurs- of course you have your tongue firmly in cheek...we know what Sandro and Pauli can do, over a period of time at a high level...they've already earned their chance and shot on the team to play through poor form or get sold...a loan would serve no purpose.
shedboy2
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26/06/2014 12:23:00

Dublin ... We’ll have a clearer understanding of what’s needed by the January TW ... if management and supporters can wait that long!
Geofspurs
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26/06/2014 12:34:00

shedboy ... Yes, I agree ... but the clock is ticking for them both.
Geofspurs
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26/06/2014 12:36:00

Livermore already out = £8m Dawson out £4m = Lovren in £15m Lennon out £6m + Siggurdson out £8m = Cuadrado in £20m Rose out £5m + Naughton out £5m = Fredericks + Fryers in = £0 Net spend -£1m
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26/06/2014 12:38:00

Ability aside, I'd rather see younger players who are fighting for a place and who value a chance to play in the first team. Some of the defeatist performances we saw last year after going a couple of goals down were woeful. I have much more faith in players like Bentaleb and Kane to work at 100%, even in defeat... Also, what do people think about the future of Holtby?
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26/06/2014 12:39:00

geof- of course as it is for all players...and the alarm will ring for each and every one of them...the trick is to continuously improve the first team gradually introducing younger players (whether they are academy or bought) and phasing out the the older ones...let their legs fail on someone else s pitch... what we shouldn't be doing is selling our best players in their prime and gambling on youth...if they are good enough there won't be much debate...is Shaw good enough for saints? Barkley for Everton? Stirling for 'Pool?...not much of a debate on those...
shedboy2
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26/06/2014 12:43:00

So does anyone think Holtby still has a career at Spurs? I want him to stay. A player with excellent touch, passing and shooting skills. What I like about him is he keeps mobile looking for the ball. He can see a forward pass and knows how to keep ball retention. May not be the best tackler but he is a nuisance. COYS!
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26/06/2014 12:44:00

Atko4in4- I'd keep Holtby...versatile, offered a goal threat and creativity...
shedboy2
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26/06/2014 12:46:00

I hope Lewis stays. He wants to play a deeper role, we could see the best of him there. I was very excited when we signed him. He could fit well for poch. I love his attitude and love for the club. I put him ahead of dembele, bentaleb for sure.
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 12:50:00

Lol Atko you beat me to it. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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26/06/2014 12:51:00

We do have a lot of midfielders so someone will need to go either sold or on loan otherwise they won't be getting game time with us.
Kong
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26/06/2014 12:51:00

Shed ... I agree with that too. But improving the team ‘gradually’ is not a concept that seems to sit well with the Board and the supporters and, imo, there needs to be less emphasis on achieving 'immediate' success and more emphasis on building for the long-term.
Geofspurs
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26/06/2014 12:53:00

It seems like Pochettino has made contact with most of the players which is a good sign. Vertonghen saying that he has already spoken to Pochettino, sure he has spoken to Lamela and other players too.
Kong
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26/06/2014 12:53:00

shedboy ... I made another ‘tongue-in-cheek' comment up the thread a bit about AVB, and nobody has picked me up on it ... I’m deeply hurt. :-)
Geofspurs
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26/06/2014 13:03:00

James ...How's the bub doing, mate?
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26/06/2014 13:04:00

Kong I think the players will deffo warm to him. It's going to be interesting to see who he ships and brings in before the season kicks off. COYS!
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26/06/2014 13:06:00

Thanks for asking Geo. Yes the baby is doing just fine..apart from copious amount of wind and yellow stuff; which means between bottle feeds she won't settle. So loads of sleepless nights. Apart from that all good lol. COYS!
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26/06/2014 13:11:00

Geo lol. Sorry Geof hahahahaha. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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26/06/2014 13:12:00

Jod, were as all the wasted talent went to over the years. Down the leagues so if they are good enough they will more than likely play.harry kane is a super talent who will make it at spurs.bentalab is still learning a more difficult position to play in and as to see more of the ball than harry so it will be harder for him.he as to stay and learn for more years and get as many games as possible but that position is needed changed to suit the opposite team etc.also bentalab will need rested in the position he plays as the prem is a little harder than international football.the best will break into sides by 19 or they will play with the ones before them in league 1-2 or championship if not so bad.harry kane should of started 1st team football 2-3 years ago to break him in as he was as a child still better than the bluffers that have played with ade.luck plays a big part in life of all walks and spurs have very little when it is given out most seasons.luck won cheski the cl not football and that was bad luck for football as a whole.
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26/06/2014 13:22:00

Just as much as a loan to a championship club or any other lower based team may help a young players career, is it not also possible, that in the wrong circumstances, it could hamper it or, worse still, be the ruin of them? As someone said above, Kane looked more impressive playing for us in the PL than he did at clubs in the lower leagues. Did it help him or just delay him? Others that have come from top clubs and with a top fee may, in turn, have been less impressive at Spurs than either Nabil or Harry. Surely we must all realise that it's mostly a risk, a gamble and a lot of lady luck, whoever the player is. Some hit the ground running and fade after just one season, others may take a couple of years to get going but then continue to improve. Bale springs to mind.... We should have loaned him to Real. After all, he's a better player now than he was a year ago...
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 14:01:00

Geof the stuff of miracles especially when you consider Sherwood only managed to move us one place up the table!
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26/06/2014 14:07:00

Man On! a lot depends on maturity. Some kids excel and like you said vanish. It's the clubs responsibility to make sure the loan move suits the player rather than the club I.e. make way for an expensive player). COYS!
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26/06/2014 14:10:00

Yes Man On I think the over reliance on the loans to the championship has produced a group of spurs youth players with Championship level abilities! the only player that has really pushed on for Spurs was Walker after his premiership loan to Villa, we got one good season out of him after that. Rose did well at Sunderland but also developed notions of himself and he struggled to match the hype of his own ego. If we want the young lads to slot in to the team and play well then they have to learn how the team plays and the best way to do that is to learn from the team its self.
Slurms McKenzie
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26/06/2014 14:12:00

a.k.a. the scatter gun approach of selecting clubs to loan out our players to seems to suggest that it is more of an excercise in gettting them out to other clubs for a season than any real structured approach to developing them.
Slurms McKenzie
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26/06/2014 14:13:00

Slurms ... well we did sit in alphabetical order (18th) at the start of the season!!
Geofspurs
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26/06/2014 14:13:00

Minor detail Geof, it was still a factual statement 18th to 7th!
Slurms McKenzie
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26/06/2014 14:15:00

The ironic problem with keeping our talented young players at the club is that to develop them with game time the team have to be performing at a very high level i.e. games are put to bed with 25 or 30 minutes to go to allow the youth be brought onto the pitch.
Slurms McKenzie
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26/06/2014 14:17:00

It's no easy task and we do have to trust the judgments of our coaching staff as to where and when a player is ready to be promoted into first team action.
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26/06/2014 14:22:00

After all by bigging up of Bentaleb today, I'm now getting nervous on his behalf, for tonights match...
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 14:23:00

Strange that the papers are still full of bile and hatred for Suarez because he left a couple of teeth marks on some dudes shoulder but Valencia's potentially career ending assualt on Digne barely gets a mention. Which crime was worse? The childish, cowardly and unsightly nibble by Suarez or the brutal and violent studs up "tackle" by Valencia? And which will get the harsher punishment? Yes I know Valencia got a red card so that limits the punishment severly but will Suarez's punishment match the the potential damage of his crime?
Slurms McKenzie
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26/06/2014 14:24:00

My not by....
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26/06/2014 14:24:00

It certainly looks that way Slurms. I feel under Pocho the academy will be run far better under his guidance. Fingers crossed the kids and Spurs will benefit. Time will tell I guess. COYS!
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26/06/2014 14:24:00

I don't know..... Would I prefer to be eaten, beaten or kicked to death?
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26/06/2014 14:27:00

I think we're all hoping for that a.k.a. including the Spurs management as why invest so heavily in the training facilities if we don't see a return ont he pitch. If we can establish a conveyor belt of talent where each so we drip feed in one or two players that can improve the squad from our own ranks it will allow us to become more targetted in our transfer signings and also allow us to invest more in the selected players. win win!
Slurms McKenzie
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26/06/2014 14:29:00

Man On, you'd be a long time waiting for Suarez to eat you based on the agony he went through after just one bite of the Italian...
Slurms McKenzie
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26/06/2014 14:31:00

"We do have a lot of midfielders so someone will need to go either sold or on loan otherwise they won't be getting game time with us," Kong.

Sure they will. Poch will play a 4-6-0. lol

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26/06/2014 14:31:00

all those bigging up Bentalab and dissing Paulinho[crikey I sound like a teenager]how many goals has Bentalab scored?One maybe.Pauly gets in the box on a regular basis and scores a lot for a midfielder.
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26/06/2014 14:32:00

A lot of heavy elbows flying around too, this pass couple of weeks... I do know that from personal experience I was more shocked and hurt when someone spat at me once than I was when I've been thumped. Biting is along those lines I think, although I'd rather have a bruised shoulder than a broken leg.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 14:33:00

Greavesaboveall. It's not an either or situation in my opinion. They both have had good and bad games. They are also very different kinds of players, even though they may be considered for the same position.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 14:36:00

I thought Bentaleb had a good season when compared to the other midfielders, if he had cost £17m then he would more likely to have more supporters backing him.
Kong
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26/06/2014 14:40:00

Falstaff the Fool, we might see that formation soon :)
Kong
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26/06/2014 14:41:00

Man On ,I agree,but a midfielder who can get 10 goals a season like Lampard for example ,is vital, especially when your strikers are useless like ours.[Ade excepted]
Greavesaboveall
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26/06/2014 14:42:00

Hear hear Slurms :) COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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26/06/2014 14:43:00

Kong... That's my thinking. You know there is a price for everything but it can depend on who's buying. The same identical item priced in one shop may not sell for a tenner but will be bought for 3 times as much elsewhere. It can't be good quality because it's too cheap or, Oh no, this ones more expensive, so it must be good.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 14:46:00

Greavesboveall, Paulinho has stopped getting into the box and scoring goals be it a plunge in confidence, not quite fit or just unsettled as a result of the move he has struggled to perform last season adn he has also struggle dot perform for Brazil as well. I want himt o succeed and I hope that with Pochettino being South American and hopefully implimenting a style of play that will allow Paulinho to play a more attackign role he will re-capture the form that made us sign him in the first place. Bentaleb has showna desire to improve and develop and that can only be a good thing for Spurs and he desire to have this improvement acknowledged but I don't see it as an either or situation.

As regards all our midfielders well, I can't see one of Siggy or Holtby staying and it may well be Hotlby who goes as Poch may see Siggy playing in that attacking left midfield role. Chadli has looked poor for us and poor for Belguim so maybe for a loan if not the the dogs knock altogether. Capoue and Sandro between missed nearly the full season due to injuries and given the nature of their games are probably in the high risk category for more injuries at which point our midfield starts to look pretty thin again.
Slurms McKenzie
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26/06/2014 14:48:00

Greavesaboveall. I have a lot of time for Paulinho but I have been disappointed with him as much as I've been pleased. Nabil is young and was an unknown quantity, so he came as a pleasant surprise.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 14:49:00

Sorry about that convoluted analogy.....
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 14:51:00

Is a convoluted analogy the same as an inverted winger? It’s all getting so complicated!
Geofspurs
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26/06/2014 14:56:00

Slurms,form is temporary,class is permanent.look what a mare Van persie had last season.Often it's down to the manager not believing in you.I expect Pauly to recover his mojo under Poch.Bentalab is getting better every game .So let's keep them both and get rid of Dembele,Siggy for starters.I reserve judgement on Holtby ,Capoue and sandro,and Chadli.Let's not do a knee jerk on them.
Greavesaboveall
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26/06/2014 14:56:00

I think my brain has now inverted........
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 14:58:00

Man On I'm not sure its just happened now...
Slurms McKenzie
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26/06/2014 15:00:00

Que?
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 15:00:00

I'm not a winger but I am a dribbler.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 15:03:00

Suarez banned for 9 international games and a 4 month total football ban.
Kong
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26/06/2014 15:03:00

Spitting, biting, scratching ( Torres) and pulling hair! I'd rather have a broken leg than a tetanus injection. Ever watched girls fighting?? Brutal.
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 15:03:00

Man On, the same applies to Kane, I think he did more than Soldado did but Soldado will get more praises from fans because he cost more.
Kong
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26/06/2014 15:04:00

The reality is Bentaleb and Kane both likely to go on loan hopefully to EPL clubs or one down. Pochs will surely buy a striker, and can't see us moving Soldado on and it would be stupid to sell Ade. So best if Kane goes on loan unless Pochs got a plan to use and develop him in the mould of Sherringham. I would love Kane to be given opportunity he showed more promise than Soldado. Bentaleb has just got too much competition in the middle of the park, that's why we let Livermore go. We would have to sell a couple of mid-fielders before Bentaleb gets his chance.
T-spur5
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26/06/2014 15:07:00

Ouch FIFA really chewed him up on that one. When does the four month ban start from? if its today or tomorrow it is really only a two month ban. sort of like the classic GAA ban; ban a lad for nine weeks cause his next game is in ten weeks...
Slurms McKenzie
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26/06/2014 15:07:00

Kong. That should give him enough time to reflect on his actions, to then come back all the more hungry for the game and with an insatiable thirst for success.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 15:08:00

Luis Suarez will not be available for Premier League action until the end of October. His ban applies to all football activity - training with his team, going to the stadium etc.
Kong
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26/06/2014 15:10:00

T-spur5 I hope we sign Bony but I don't think a striker is our top priority so Kane may get a repreive unitl Christmas. left attacking midfield we have no-one. LB we are severly restricted and CB is a must. can't really see more then three players beign signed this window.
Slurms McKenzie
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26/06/2014 15:10:00

Dembele we should keep. He could improve so much under Pocho. A fit, confident Dembele can be a massive difference between CL football and Europa. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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26/06/2014 15:11:00

It depends on the girl who's doing the spitting scratching and biting Dublin.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 15:11:00

Kong ... Is that official?
Geofspurs
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26/06/2014 15:12:00

Suarez can't even play for pool in pre-season. As fixtures stand, will miss Liverpool's first NINE PL games, plus CL and League Cup matches.
Kong
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26/06/2014 15:12:00

Yes all official.
Kong
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26/06/2014 15:12:00

Disgraceful only 9 games!!! - 3rd time of biting a fellow player!!
Highgatespur
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26/06/2014 15:13:00

Suarez to miss the Spurs game too.
Kong
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26/06/2014 15:13:00

No ban on biting ... just football?
Geofspurs
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26/06/2014 15:16:00

He can still bite all he wants but not in stadiums or in training.
Kong
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26/06/2014 15:16:00

So can he be transfered while banned from Football? or will it be a january move? the loss of revenue from that sale may hamper Liverpool int eh transfer window.
Slurms McKenzie
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26/06/2014 15:17:00

There, see how he's now, almost literally, bitten the hands that fed him. First Dalglish and now Rodgers, who both stood by him. Once bitten, thrice shy?
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 15:17:00

Highgate, that effectively puts Uruguay out of the competition and he will miss nearly a year of international football as a result of the ban, which will proabbly suit his club team!
Slurms McKenzie
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26/06/2014 15:18:00

Highgate - I suspect the 4 months of no football will mean he misses more than 9 games anyway
Atko4in4
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26/06/2014 15:18:00

FIFA have given him a right good gumming, imagine what they would have done to him if they were an organisation with actual teeth and the balls to use them!! Don't feel too sorry for Liverpool they did alright without him for the first eight games of last season! I'm sure there will be a lot of gnashing of teeth by the bindippers but mouthing off won't change things. At least it gives the journos something to sink their teeth into and stop jawing about potential spurs trasnfers!!!
Slurms McKenzie
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26/06/2014 15:22:00

Well the idiot will miss the rest of the WC. That will hurt more than anything. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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26/06/2014 15:22:00

Maybe we could now pick him up for a lot less money than when he was at Ajax! Get him in. Part exchange for Harry and Nabil.
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 15:23:00

9 Pl games but all the champions league and other cup games too.
Kong
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26/06/2014 15:25:00

Suarez v Tyson could be a mouth watering prospect :) COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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26/06/2014 15:28:00

At least when Tyson bites he does it properly :).
Kong
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26/06/2014 15:31:00

Haha very true Kong :) COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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26/06/2014 15:33:00

So Tyson will give him an earful and in return Suarez will offer a shoulder to bite on. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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26/06/2014 15:36:00

If it happens again he should have his teeth pulled out. All he can do then is lick someone to death ... much less painful. I can’t see any supporters from any English club (apart from Liverpool) letting him forget this. And I’m sure they’ll be a lot of quiet comments on the pitch from opposition players. The EPL may not work for him anymore.
Geofspurs
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26/06/2014 15:57:00

Well Suarez will be chilling when we play our first match against them. Bonus
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 16:15:00

Apparently Suarez is not even allowed to enter any football stadium for the next 4 months. If he was to get transferred would he not have a peep of the pitch he will be playing on and...another ban?
maldives
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26/06/2014 16:22:00

Very glad that none of you thought as Man On! thought of me saying "End of" earlier - I was a bit p-ed off as to who was getting the benefit... anyway nice little debate ... Saurez should've been banned for life! 3rd time..
Highgatespur
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26/06/2014 16:32:00

Sorry off topic I know, but this ban is from FIFA. Can the FA do more?
maldives
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26/06/2014 16:33:00

Suarez ban is a joke as are fifa let the biting begin. Bite of ear 12 games , nose 5 games , bite blow job 6 pts extra for club is that were we are heading. Banned for life was the only thing to do fifa wrong again.
bazdog
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26/06/2014 16:41:00

FIFA should clamp down on another Liverpool player in Sakho who elbowed an opponent in the face in last nights game. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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26/06/2014 16:41:00

IMO Spurs have the worse talent coming through of anyone in the top 8.

Spurs are simply getting it wrong when rating players potential,they think too highly of average players.

Everton & Southampton have embarrassed Spurs with the young talent they have brought through,so money can be no argument.

Out of around 50 youngsters coming through Spurs or bought by Spurs, only King, Campbell & Gareth bale have looked the nuts & worthy of a top EPL team.
The whole system needs a makeover because the ratio of hits & misses is shockingly poor.

Everyone spent too long waiting for Dawson,Lennon,Defoe,Rose,Hudd,Livermore,Kane,Walker, Naughton,O`Hara,Townsend,Routledge,Reid,Obika,Bostock,etc etc to become excellent footballers.
Wake up Spurs it`s never going to happen.

Fair enough get a few wrong,but the amount Spurs buy & sell is madness.
I`d say Spurs have bought & sold more players in the last 10 years than any other EPL club,it`s a poor & shocking statistic.
Fanny adams
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26/06/2014 16:42:00

Fanny are you ever going to say something positive about Spurs? COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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26/06/2014 16:46:00

Geof, the conundrum when do you let promising youngster ? Well that's one of the things we have done so well in recent and not so recent years .... It was long time since any of the youngsters let go have been a success elsewhere - until last summer Steven Caluker going for £8m and Jake for a similar amount... who else ? Even more any previous trainee been a success anywhere else ? I distrust the loan system SOOOOOO much ... IMO if a player goes out on loan he misses out all the benefits that Spurs has ... Look at Kane's progress this year as opposed to previous years - no loans this year. We do need to protect the youngsters as well as the club... thats why I feel this year it is a vital year for the likes of Townsend Pritchard and the likes... 21+ year olds.

GDS was hounded out by all managers I thought as well KPB(sent home from Brazil today) simply hounded out - wonder if Holtby will face the same treatment...
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26/06/2014 16:49:00

Clubs in the prem should have the legal loop hole to ban the violent animal from there staduim for game after game. He could attack at any time like a tiger on there pitch and so so.stop him from scoring against spurs in any way possiable as the players cant do it.have to make signs for match days if he can notbe banned from the lane. Do not enter guard suaraz on duty .or at own risk!
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26/06/2014 16:50:00

Dawson, Lennon, Walker, Huddlestone, Noughton, Bale, Routledge and Reid were all trasnfered into the club and were not the products of our youth system Fanny. At the time Spurs approach was to try and hoover up the best of young talent from the lower league clubs. Most joined when they were sixteen, seventeen or Eighteen, which is only a year younger then Bentaleb is now?
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26/06/2014 16:51:00

I'd be so mad if I was travelling to the US - Germans game now - and all that rain ... going to mean a large number missing the game!!
Highgatespur
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26/06/2014 16:52:00

Nasher from the cartoon would even run from that set of noshers.
bazdog
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26/06/2014 16:53:00

Making him wear rubberized face mask ala Hannibal Lecter might have been a more approapriate punishment, it would distroy his image rights and protect all others who play against him.
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26/06/2014 16:53:00

Whats the odds on a draw between USA and Germany? still potential for Germany to go out tonight if USA win and resutls go against them in the other game!!
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26/06/2014 16:54:00

Slurms, wouldn't put it past Germans - they have previous form on this...
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26/06/2014 17:01:00

Highgatespur. I mean't it as a compliment to your post. It summed a lot of it up for me.
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26/06/2014 17:05:00

Germany all the way. I would say that because I was born there! Dad , army etc. I feel a bit sorry for Draculas agent, all that transfer fee, sponsorship money going out of the widow..
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26/06/2014 17:07:00

Slurms, you're not serious about the image rights are you LOL.
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26/06/2014 17:10:00

Slurms McKenzie I never said they were but my point was our policy of buying good young talent has badly failed IMO.
And i did say or bought by Spurs.

Our best player coming through the ranks was David beckham.
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26/06/2014 17:24:00

FA, Southampton have sold most of their better academy players whilst they were still young. Arsenal and Spurs being two of the main benefactors.
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26/06/2014 17:25:00

If Beckham wasn't such a big United fan but a Spurs supporter, he may not have left us as a young boy.
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26/06/2014 17:28:00

MAN ON! Didn`t Southampton bring through Walcott & Bale ?

In the last 10 years have Spurs brought anyone through equal to these 2 ?
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26/06/2014 17:31:00

Fanny adams. Yes, but that was my point. It's Arsenal and Spurs that moved them on and developed them from a young age and by so, reaped the benefits. Oxlade-C was also at the Saints.
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26/06/2014 17:37:00

A final word on Suarez.He must stay with our rivals at Liverpoo.It's like having a double agent ready to sabotage their title hopes every time he feels hungry.In fact Spurs defenders should strap fillet steaks under their shirts to get him salivating.
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26/06/2014 17:41:00

The steak would compliment the chip on his shoulder....
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 17:43:00

Steak & chips mmmm.
Greavesaboveall
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26/06/2014 17:47:00

MAN ON! But my point is why can`t Spurs get their own bales,Chamberlains,Lalanas,Shaws,Rodrigues,Walcott etc

Everton have their own in Rodwell,Rooney,Stokes,Barker etc

In terms of youth development,Spurs are getting out done by all in the top half.
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26/06/2014 17:51:00

Fanny adams. I understand and I've wondered why myself.
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26/06/2014 17:55:00

Well Fanny,that's why we've brought Poch in.....I think!Or was it cos he's cheap?
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26/06/2014 17:55:00

ManOn! thank you ... I took it as such - meant if everybody thought as you did it'd be another slow day at VS!!!
Highgatespur
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26/06/2014 18:00:00

Highgatespur. All Good....
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26/06/2014 18:02:00

Fanny if we want to develop players of that calibre we need to start playing them and stop signing road blocks for them. Both southampton and Everton have very low transfer funds and spends so needs must. We have to give more time to our youth players, kane, townsend, bentaleb, walker, noughton, fryers etc have to be given more game time to develop in our squad.
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26/06/2014 18:04:00

Is anyone watching the Portugal game and is it it any good, as the USA one is not up to much.
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26/06/2014 18:10:00

Turned over in time to see Ghana score and missed the German goal!
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26/06/2014 18:16:00

slurms- Saints have put a lot more money than us into transfers in the last few years...they just seem better able to spot and develop a top player....
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26/06/2014 18:22:00

@Kong, RE Suarez, does the ban mean that he cannot be transferred during this window? Is that part of football related activity covered by the ban?
Cleveland ARTSPURS
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26/06/2014 18:50:00

Cleveland he can still be transferred
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26/06/2014 18:57:00

Gotta say - an anti climax unless you're an American....
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26/06/2014 18:58:00

Thanks Highgate, so the US team do better than England in the World Cup again, I'm keeping a low profile.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
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26/06/2014 19:02:00

USA deserved to get through Cleveland.
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26/06/2014 19:10:00

Why did we sell Dempsey, oh yeah I remember we had loads of top quality forwards at the time!
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26/06/2014 19:15:00

Cleveland ARTSPURS. I'm pleased the USA team got through. If it's Belgium up next then they could cause them a problem or two. Belgium have not looked at all convincing.
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26/06/2014 19:45:00

@TE, I'm pleased they got through, they showed a lot of fight, I'm just getting a lot of ribbing at the moment. @Man On, I quite fancy USA's chances against Belgium, without Hazard they are pretty sterile. Algeria up against Germany,should be good
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26/06/2014 19:49:00

Cleveland, yes he can still be transferred but if he goes into any football stadium Fifa will come down on him like a pramfull of cuddly toys...
maldives
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26/06/2014 19:49:00

Cleveland I'm delighted for you guys ... have had about 100 text from my friends over he pond.... Well done !!
Highgatespur
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26/06/2014 20:31:00

Well Moussa and Verts are playing as well as Nabil ... 3 from the famous Spurs - wear it well lads!!!
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26/06/2014 20:32:00

Algeria and Belgium to win. Big payout. Fingers crossed!
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 20:38:00

Verts practising for his role at Spurs next year ....
Highgatespur
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26/06/2014 20:50:00

Man U agree fee for Luke shaw believed to be £30m.
Kong
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26/06/2014 21:13:00

Luiz suarez gets away with it, very poor decision, a year ban minimum
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26/06/2014 21:22:00

Luke who da F is Shaw is he a superstar international?, where are they getting 30 mil for a kid, oh wait he’s English, the game is gone mad
123spurs
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26/06/2014 21:23:00

Gotta say, I don't know many Algerian players. Bentaleb quiet tonight. But shines none the less in an unknown squad
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26/06/2014 21:26:00

kane and bentelab has come through the ranks and our only few positives from last season so thanks Mr TS for giving them a chance
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26/06/2014 21:30:00

thanks and goodbye mr TS LOL
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 21:35:00

shaw not worth a quarter of that
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 21:36:00

Kong, seriously reckon that's a potential car crash to happen...
Highgatespur
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26/06/2014 21:39:00

Can I add 'phew' to that Dublin ?
Highgatespur
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26/06/2014 21:41:00

Belgians down to 10 men... to win by a last minute goal by a sub again?
Highgatespur
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26/06/2014 21:46:00

You can. Wife watching Mormons on C4. I'm watching footy, mother in law watching the disgrace of mutdered kids by the state and church on tv3. Thank feck for footy!
Dublin Hotspur
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26/06/2014 22:05:00

How many telly in your house then ???
Highgatespur
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26/06/2014 22:10:00

Alot of money, yes - but watching shaw this season shows he is a special talent and a good buy IMO.
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26/06/2014 22:10:00

Where is coops as so many rumours on sc that we need a gossip article to discuss. Even if ultimately bs, always a good debate.
Windlespur
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26/06/2014 22:12:00

Good discussion on Bentaleb, but he is young and we can see how he develops, but good on the ball. The bigger World Cup issue is Paulinho who has been dreadful and is not a youngster waiting to develop, but a big money signing. Hope he has one great game so that we can sell him......
Windlespur
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26/06/2014 22:15:00

Can we get martens from Napoli and sell Lennon. He looked dangerous and Lacey.
Windlespur
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26/06/2014 22:18:00

Mertens....
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26/06/2014 22:20:00

Super Jan Super Jan Super Jan Vertonghen!!!!!
Highgatespur
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26/06/2014 22:36:00

poch is quite the motivator - one phone call to vertonghen and he goes and scores in the world cup! the future is bright :)
Guernman
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26/06/2014 22:41:00

Think the rest jan had throughout last season helped him get forward in 77th minute to score :)
Windlespur
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26/06/2014 22:41:00

SIGN him up looks a quailty LB
123spurs
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26/06/2014 22:42:00

Lovely jubbly, hubbly bubbly time! Algeria go marching on.....
MAN ON!
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26/06/2014 22:55:00

We should buy jan vertonghen. Oh..... Highgate. 4
Dublin Hotspur
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27/06/2014 07:35:00

Wouldn't surprise me if Pocho goes for some players from the Chile squad. They play to Pocho's style don't they? COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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27/06/2014 09:33:00

Players from Chile would be cool...
Slurms McKenzie
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27/06/2014 11:15:00

Lol COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
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27/06/2014 11:35:00

Aka, their coach was trained under beilsa. Same as poch and pep, and atleticos coach. Fascinating times ahead. Lol slurms.
Dublin Hotspur
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27/06/2014 11:36:00

I'm bored of the lack of transfer activity, can anyone clarify when we started our business last summer?? When was our first purchase?
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