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So Many Variables!

Football should be quite a simple game; get 11 good players together and go out and beat the other team. Easy, right? No, not really!

It's not that simple. More and more, it seems, what happens off the pitch has a greater influence on a club's success than what happens on the pitch. There are so many variables these days that impact on all teams and affect the outcome of every season.

What are these variables? Here are some that I can think of in no particular order: Stadium, Scouting system, Clubs' ability to attract good players, Youth development program, Training regime, Training facility, Fitness (achieving and maintaining it), Medical staff, Injuries, Player attitude, Referee, Linesmen, Financial ability (to buy players and to pay wages), Income (via ground capacity, sponsorship, competition success), Club ambition, Club politics, Manager, Media, Club history, Expectations (Club, players, supporters), Club politics, Ego Management, Finding the right system to play, Continuity and consistency, The opposition, European involvement, Transfer windows, International friendlies and competitions, Pre-season program, Playing surface, Ground-staff, Weather, Travel, Squad rotation strategy, Player support, Language, and LUCK!

These variables obviously apply to every professional club. Football clubs can control some of them and some of them they can't. The successful cIubs are the ones that get most of the things they can control right. I'm sure that this is by no means an exhaustive list so feel free to add to it. So, the question is: Where do THFC stand in terms of the 'variables' clubs can control? What are we doing well and what can we do better?

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Date:Wednesday July 2 2014

Time: 9:52AM

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Geof I have to say that the variables arguement is only put forward by those who fail. A symptom of the modern age when everything has to be diagnoised and everyone has a condition. If the msall team beats a big team because they are better prepared then the only variable is preperation. But if the favourite team wins as expected, it isn't because of varibles behind the small team its because they were weaker. Simples.
Slurms McKenzie
Most of the varibles that you list have more of an impact on a squad over a season and not game to game. Yes the depth of a squad will affect the final position in a league. A stronger starting eleven gives you an advantage and if you parlay that into a successful season it does get easier to attract better players because of the extra revenue avialable. But game to game the variables are much more focused. Which team was better prepared, tactically, mentally, physically? which team did the most homework on the opposition? which team want to win the game and which team just want to stop the other team winning? Ultimately on a game to game basis the most important factor is the management of the team. Cup competitions are the perfect example of this.
Slurms McKenzie
Geofspur, You forgot Lasagna!.....or more apt, diet!
Critical_Spur
One variable that hasn't been mentioned is the number of games. As Liverpool showed last season playing less games than the competiton can be a big advantage. That will be mitigated to some extent dependinmg on the style of play, Liverpool were playing a consistent high tempo game so it was particularly useful to them.
jod
jod. That may well be the way Pochettino sets Spurs up to play. Can it work for an entire PL season?
MAN ON!
It's the variables that make football fun. Whether people like it or not, 2 big variables are what's the income and what's our spend. In the revenue bucket you can get the TV monies, the gate receipts, the sponsorship, profit on players and the merchandise. Generally, most of those are pretty fixed or grow organically but the thing that can make a 10-20% difference would be Champs League. The other of course is player sales e.g. Bale. In the spend is for me the biggest variable. Making the right player choices and having the salaries optimised is clearly the biggest variable that we quite often get very wrong.

On the football side, I believe that the philosophy, tactics, team selection, subs etc form the biggest variables. Let's not pretend that at times you need the rub as well. The other big variable that nobody talks about much is injuries. Give Liverpool the amount or injuries that Spurs had last year and they would have finished in the same place as us. Give us a fully fit squad except one or two then we may not have finished second but we would have been way better off. Newcastle also had one of those seasons a few years back where they kept the whole squad fit. It makes a huge difference.
muttley
Al;l you need to do is ask 2 questions, which teams have made the top 4 on a regular basis? Why those clubs? Large injections of capital in the case of Chelsea and City have allowed them to buy the best players and appoint the top managers, then success breeds success. Playing in the CL attracts the top players as does paying top wages. Liverpool may be the exception here, they simple had one of the best players in the league in Suarez and appointed the right manager and give him a chance to shine. Levy is a *****wit we had great players with Modric, bale, Van de vart. We had a decent manger in harry who had taken us to CL but levey did not allow him to build on that succes. So in short top manger, enough capital to attract the best players, competetive wages and regular top flight football. Then you can add a bigger capacity stadium. As for brining youth through, I dont see many examples of this with the top clubs really, there are a few scattered here and there but it is the top top players that make the difefrence between success and failure.
Horny Helen
You forgot to mention E = MC2 (Eriksen = Mertesacker times Cazorla squared)
In-spurs-ational
For me, the crucial element are levels of encouragement and belief. Lower expectations = continued failure (relative).
Highgatespur
the biggest variable is between the ears....good judgement and working for the continuous improvement of the team..the priority has to be success on the pitch, it drives everything else...veer away from that at peril....
shedboy2
Living in a free market era, two are the most important conditions in order a football club to compete successfully for titles and trophies: a wealthy and ambitious with winning regularly silverware on the field owner and a capable and intelligent manager. All other variables become significantly important only in case one or both of those two conditions are not fulfil.
Ioan X
There are indeed many variables, which makes particularly daft the penchant some people have for one or two 'reasons' why a club succeeds or fails to achieve. In talking, we can be tempted to come out with "It simply comes down to..." but Life is complicated, or at least nothing like as simple as some would have us believe. That's one of the lessons of watching football, surely — life's lovely complexity, and that as in Robert Burns's poem 'To a Mouse', "The best laid plans of mice and men, go awry".
Airwave
Airwave, espcially if Lenny likes you and wants to give you a hug!
Slurms McKenzie
Or as Harry always says... Triffic!
MAN ON!
Slurms ... The point I was (hopefully) trying to make is that there is so much that has to come together for a team, any team, to be continually successful.
Geofspurs
Mikey Mouse has enormous ears but a very small brain. Rubbish footballer IMO.
MAN ON!
onemoreseason ... 3-0 is a ‘variable’ that I hope to see more often!
Geofspurs
Geof I prefer if 3-0 became a constant!
Slurms McKenzie
Critical ... ‘Lasagna’ was a great example ... how could anyone factor that into their season, but it sure made a difference!
Geofspurs
jod ... I kind of inferred the number of games with reference to European competitions. It certainly has to have an impact.
Geofspurs
muttley ... I agree. Without all the complications and difficulties that teams face most teams would have little chance of winning anything ... even less than they have now. It is what makes football interesting and, sometimes, unpredictable.
Geofspurs
Airwave ... Yes to that!
Geofspurs
there's many variables just going to work or on holiday...but if you don't know where you're going your not going to get there...once you do, the variables slip right into the decision making tree...so where are we going? what are our aims? to be the best football team we can be? or to sell a property portfolio and make hundreds of millions of pounds?...if it's the latter the first will suffer for quite some time...
shedboy2
Geofspurs.. Theres an ad on British TV trying to encourage people to become volunteers for local sports teams called the "The Local Heroes" campaign". Ian Wright is the manager of a kids team. He's in the dressing room giving out the team tactics talk to a confused bunch of boys and girls and a little boy say's, "Ian my kit's still wet". They go out onto an empty pitch and another boy say's, "Ian, you forgot to call the other team" Wright replies with, "I'm a strategist, I can't do everything. I need help!" Your article reminded me of it.
MAN ON!
The only variable in football is goals. Score more than the other team and you win. If you don't you either lose or draw. Simple really. Now if you are talking about putting a team together and managing it, that's very difficult. That's where the variables make the difference.
jvd
Commercial success or having a sugar daddy are the only things that have always mattered. It's just that these days they matter so much more as the size of squads has grown. Picking teams from 13 or 14 players used to be a great leveller.
Love totty
Any successful club will need to play more games than an unsuccessful club. It's a fact of life. If we aren't challenging for cups in their latter stages, or playing in Europe, we are not succeeding, we are under performing. This is true across any league, and includes the international stage where the best players have to play more games than lesser players. To be at the top or challenging for success , and to have the best possible players,we need to play more games, have the squad to cope with these demands and rotate accordingly. We have entered seasons requiring us and our players to play more, but this rotation process has not been managed to good effect to date. When this happens the question of not wanting to be in cups and Europe will vanish and we will begin lifting trophies again.
Dublin Hotspur
Oh, and definitely avoid eating lasagne and bring our own chefs when we travel.
Dublin Hotspur
Slurms ... btw I can’t accept your comment that ‘the variables argument is only put forward by those who fail’. That seems too simplistic. Most teams fail every season if you consider not winning anything is a failure. And the reason some teams win and most teams don’t is because of the difference of many of those ‘variables’ or ‘factors’ if you like.
Geofspurs
Suarez came a cropper eating an Italian too. So many variables and lessons to be learnt.
MAN ON!
Good one man on!!
it's a good article geof. Variables will always be a factor. If we can get the core of our squad and tactics right, we can only do our best to manage variables outside of our control. It's all about having everyone at the club ready for any eventuality. Have the full playing staff, whatever level, playing to the same tune, and cross our fingers and hope for the best. All the unforeseen variables last season were managed horrifically. Hoping the new team have better foresight and contingency planning put in place.
Dublin Hotspur
wow, what to put on this morning?....who am I meeting? what's the weather? what transport will I use? what shoe to put on first left or right?...get the big picture right and most of the variables will fall into place as the minutiae that they are...
shedboy2
jinx shed!
Dublin Hotspur
I'm now walking down Brixton High Road with nothing but a pair of my girlfriends knickers on and I think I've left my keys in my Spurs branded Gilet pocket..
MAN ON!
so daniel levy is asking for 20million for sandro and only prepared to pay 6-8million for ben davies.negotiations like this inevitably drag on.just hope for once we get things done early and not last day nonsense.
tarkan mardinCOYS
onemorereason. there are also a multitude of positive articles towards esteban. including the one Cider put up yesterday. will you support him and Poch if our manager decides this is a good addition to the squad? I certainly will!
Dublin Hotspur
He's worth a punt in my opinion. Cambiasso has a bloody good CV. It could work.
MAN ON!
Now we're supposedly after Negredo... I thought we were supposed to be taking it easy in this transfer window. We're buying half of Cardiff City and half of the world cup best 11. Oh, and O'Shea!
MAN ON!
onemoreseason. I very much doubt that we're after him anyway.
MAN ON!
a bit on the stadium!
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/tottenham-could-play-home-games-at-ipswich-or-brighton-while-new-stadium-is-being-built--as-spurs-rule-out-white-hart-lane-stay-9578497.html

The club is expecting a decision on the CPO by early next week, its thought the Government are embarrassed enough to act now!
I've been told to expect movements in and out by the end of the week, Dawson to Hull and one defender in. we are still interested in Moreno (H) but the injury obviously complicates matters. Some loans out should be agreed this week too.

Now donate you tight ********
Grey Fox, Yesterday at 10:31 AM #1
Dublin Hotspur
onemoreseason-we do this every summer.our buying and selling prices are simply absurd and before we know it the season has started.getting ben davies from swansea to thfc hs nothing to do with champions league.on sandro 13-15million is a fair price.lets get the ball rolling ASAP
tarkan mardinCOYS
sndro is an out and out defensive midfielder.something that pochettino does not favour.deep lying midfielders is what he goes for and on that basis we should let sandro go
tarkan mardinCOYS
Sorry, I mean Swansea City...
MAN ON!
one more reason, read yesterdays thread for my views in full. I will give you a few points. We don't need to drop anyone, we are likely to make some loans out including bentaleb. Livermore has been sold. it is replacing these to a point! He doesn't need to be first pick. His presence at the club with his winning experience and mentality will be just what our younger players need. you can't buy that kind of presence and experience. as I said yesterday 75k a week, free transfer also equals a £3m transfer and zero wages! I sincerely hope you loo a little deeper into the probable reasons Poch is looking at him. for that price, we could have a serious psychological warhead in our squad! he would be shown respect and awe and have a unique position of building player confidence from the training ground, bench and on the pitch! please feel free to read yesterdays discussion on the topic.
Dublin Hotspur
shedboy ... It's all the little things that add up to the big picture. Get up in the morning for work (did the alarm work?), get dressed (are your clothes washed?), catch a bus (is there a bus strike?), arrive at work (forgot it’s Sunday! So went home). So many things can affect the things we want to do. It’s called ‘life (or, sometimes, sheet happens)!
Geofspurs
I really hope we don't go mad raiding bottom of the table teams for mediocre players! I'm leaving all player speculation alone now, and waiting to see who Poch decides is right for us. I am also hoping the quoted £50m chest is in addition to profit from sales and wages from loaned players! that would make a massive difference to who we can and can't bit for and what kind of wages we can pay!
Dublin Hotspur
Geofspurs, I think if the Head Coach believes in the Chairman and vice versa and the players believe in the coach, we'll do ok. Us fans need to then believe in the football. Everything else has a bearing but the bottom line is, are the players, head coach and results good enough?
MAN ON!
Daily Mail understand Swansea City pulled the plug over the weekend for Ben Davies to transfer to Tottenham Hotspur. I am sure this will change again.
Kong
I have a feeling Sandro wants to go or wants more money so is looking for the best deal for himself which is fine as Levy will look for the best deal for THFC.
Kong
still not sold on Davies though! surely we can get a proven, finished article in this desperately needed position. and look outside of england / Wales for some proper value! imagine who United COULD have bought for 30m? take your pick from any LB in the world! the mind boggles!
Dublin Hotspur
Wow that is heavy Geof - it's like trying to find the meaning of life :) Personally I think if Spurs think of these variables it will lead to blame and failure. To breed success comes from talent, a winning mentality and luck. If that happens with Spurs everything will fall into place, failure and everything will fall apart. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
I'd take Ashley Cole. His experience would do us no harm IMO. Still, it's another unlikely purchase...
MAN ON!
what is ben davies contract status?does he have only 1 year left or a contract release to justify the 6-8million?michael laudrup said of davies"his destined for big things"during his time.
tarkan mardinCOYS
Man On, I would take A Cole over Cambiasso even though they are similar ages because we need a LB, we don't need Cambiasso for his playing as we have enough in midfield. A Cole would do a good job for us and will get game time but like you I doubt it will happen.
Kong
jvd ... You said scoring is the only variable in football ... then you said putting a team together and managing it is where the variables make the difference?! That’s what I was talking about ... the differences.
Geofspurs
We need a wise old head somewhere in our young but talented squad. Who, I don't know.
MAN ON!
But I will back Davies if he joins the mighty Spurs!

Onemore, the whole thing is dragging on so long. I think you are right, a deal should be done if they go to appeal. that article was stating Archway wanted £25m to move!?!? surely thats bollix. I thought we were niggling over a couple of mill, but you could see why we are fighting so hard if that figure has any truth associated!
Dublin Hotspur
Tarkan, I think his contract runs till 2016.
Kong
How many times have any of us planned to do something and it does not work out? How many times have we had an accident? Nothing is simple and everything is connected. Nothing works out just because we want it to. I’m struggling not to be too philosophical here but it’s difficult!
Geofspurs
we really will have a very young squad for the coming season! If we can give them some leadership on and off the pitch, and hold onto who we need, we really could be a powerhouse in a few years when they begin to mature and hit their peak years! I wonder if this is Levy's direction, or will we see more in and outs in the coming seasons? I have a feeling with the stadium build looking like it might actually get a go ahead, we will try to hold onto who we have and build a system under loch that will see us develop through this period! limited activity in windows after next summer, and stability to the fore. Thats what I think (hope).
Dublin Hotspur
Dublin, £25m is madness, the CPO cannot be based on financial motive so Archway cannot use financial arguements for a CPO as it is whether it is in the public's interest to grant it. Like Onemore said if they lose and they appeal then that is when they can negotiate again. I think that it is taking long to get a decision on the CPO because the government want the decision to be watertight and any appeal not to have a chance of succeeding.
Kong
Dublin Hotspur. ENIC originally offered them a large piece of land to build a new factory on and a wad of cash. They are obviously fighting tooth and nail for the very best deal and in a way I can't blame them for that. Business is business. I've read that the owner of AS, and his family are Spurs fans. If true then show your support and get on with it all.
MAN ON!
tarkan, see you have navigated to the Spurs site - old habits die hard, huh ?
Highgatespur
I hope you are right Kong, but it does seem the government hold a similar dislike to spurs as the media do! you would think that the regeneration of such a run down area would be a top priority for the government, especially going back over the volatility the area has presented over the last couple of years through riots and protests!
Dublin Hotspur
Is Pickles a Gooner and is the Archway Steel owner a Spurs fan but related to Pele10?
MAN ON!
you can change couple of years to 30 years!

Man on, there were also reports he was a gooner! but it doesn't really matter who he supports. he is trying to support himself I am sure, but as you say greed has taken over, and it is likely he will end up with feck all. If I was him (and as a spurs fan) I would take the new factory etc, the cash, and ask for a block of seats for me and my mates / family just above the dugouts, for life. as well as free pies and carlsberg, and the drummer to be allowed back, with flags being reinstated! thats not too much is it??
Dublin Hotspur
Geofspurs. Being philosophical is a good thing. It makes for good reading and stimulates debate.
MAN ON!
The problem is the land is now worth a lot more then Spurs originally offered even in a area like N17 the price is at a London Premium!! I had an estate agent look at my place and value it a month ago. another came yesterday and valued it 100k more!! London property and land prices are the new California gold rush.........we will have to pay up or shut up I'm afraid!!
WestStandEnclosure
Dublin, Archway should have come to you to represent them. Great deal there.
Kong
Dublin Hotspur. If I were Levy, you'd have it all including, all expenses paid trips to Warsaw thrown in. Under the guise of a scouting expedition of course...
MAN ON!
Dublin, intricate politics here; the govt. feel embarrassed by the ignorance they showed before the riots and then by THFC stand over the OS... they probably thought dragging their feet would hide their petulance and 'pride'.... they are dragging the whole community down...
Highgatespur
Westend. that must be some pad you have. estate agents are notorious for bugging up values during boom times to get you on their books, and the opposite through slumps in order to have a hope in hell of selling the gaff! I suggest you sell and move to Tottenham, where prices, I am certain , are well below the going rates of most of the rest of London. get in now because when the regeneration happens, you could add another 100k to your kitty thanks to Mr Levy! ;)
Dublin Hotspur
Cheers MAN.
Geofspurs
That sounds perfect Man on! I would have a space for you on my row of seats of course, and a seat on the plane to Warsaw, timed around the Eurovison final, of course!
Dublin Hotspur
highgate-have you renewed your fictitious season ticket yet?
tarkan mardinCOYS
Areas of SW London, where I now live - that were slums 30 years ago - those very same properties are now worth a couple of million.
MAN ON!
Two biggest variables (unknowns) at Spurs are: Levy and Adebayor! Sort them out and we are sorted!
Critical_Spur
What is Levy's preferred position? In the hole or as a box to box?
MAN ON!
Geof perhaps you should read SAF autobiography. Maybe some clues to success is in there! COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
geof- mate you have it backwards...the big picture dictates the little things...if you turn up at work on a sunday, late, with your clothes unwashed you're not seeing the big picture and you've let the little things spiral out of control...a big picture person knows they're not working on Sunday...has a lie in, washes and irons his cloths and sets the alarm before going to bed....because they know where they are going and so what to do to in order to get there becomes apparent. Things don't always go to plan but you get back on track by focusing on what you want to achieve. Now as a club, do we know where we are going? is THFC the priority or ENIC?...that's the big picture that dictates...
shedboy2
Shedboy, I am a 'big picture man', Mrs Critical takes care of all those chores! A round of golf and the 19th for me on Sundays!
Critical_Spur
Good man critical! That's the big picture alright!
Dublin Hotspur
tarkan - go and troll others will ya ? You may find your identity ...
Highgatespur
So many Venables and not enough Nicholsons!
MAN ON!
MAN ON ... I think we'll do okay whatever happens. It will still be another enjoyable season following our team with all the thrills and spills that will come with it. Can't wait!
Geofspurs
Fair enough onemore. I get disagreed with a lot on here, it's what it's all about. Opinions and discussion. ;)
Dublin Hotspur
Geofspurs. I've just written on the Real World thread that this World Cup has restored some of my faith in the modern footballer and the beautiful game. I hope the likes of Algeria, the USA and all will rub off, not only on Spurs but the rest of football too. I know it's a romantic notion but the sun is shining bright in London, so what the hell!
MAN ON!
Dublin Hotspur.. Now that's where you're wrong........
MAN ON!
Dublin that is gettable pricing!! Last house on my street went under offer for 10% less then the current estimate on mine. So the maths are about right in a boom they keep on adding 10% to the next house they market........So Archway Steel hold all the cards now!!
WestStandEnclosure
shedboy ... I know what you mean but do you also think that all the factors mentioned in the article have no impact on a team’s success. What is ‘the bigger picture’ and how do THFC achieve it? ... I think you’d have to mention a lot of the variables to answer this in detail. Every team knows Where it wants to be; at the top of the EPL! But only one will be there. Why is that if it's simply a matter of knowing the bigger picture?
Geofspurs
Geofspurs. I hope he doesn't mind me saying this but I think shed boy is more a man of logic. Personally, in my life, the bigger picture changes all the time. Illogical captain but true, nonetheless.
MAN ON!
Money goes a long way Geof! COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
MAN ... Yes, I’d have to say I’m enjoying the WC much more than I expected and it is great to see nations like Algeria and USA doing so well. Got to go for Belgium now. Maybe Burnley will finish runner-up to us next season!! You have to love the unpredictability!
Geofspurs
James ... There’s a lot of things more important than money ... it’s just that most people can’t afford them! :-)
Geofspurs
Yes, Belgium came to life last night and a big part of that was having to really fight and compete for the win against the USA. The Americans brought out the best of them and that showed me a winning mentality that I didn't think they had.
MAN ON!
I was messing westend.;) It has gone mad in London ( wish it would here!) but a jump from 5m to 25m seems dramatic. That 25 m is more than 5% of the whole stadium build cost. Seems high for the land a small factory sits on. Especially where it is
Dublin Hotspur
... and Jan nearly scored one of the goals of the tournament too. All good.
MAN ON!
Geof I accept your point that my statement was over simplistic what I meant was those who succeed do so by managing the all the variables that they are presented with the best, those who fail just blame the variables!
Slurms McKenzie
geof - of course minutiae have an impact and there are different ways to get to the same destination (try turning the opposite way next time you go to work, you'll still get there but I suspect you go a certain way as through experience you know it's the best way for you)...I don't know what the big picture is for us! I suspect it is really the big picture for ENIC which means maximizing ROI through property...that will (and imo already has) cost us success on the pitch and will continue to do so...and apart from us are all owners focused on winning the PL?...I don't think they are...there are numerous agenda's out there...You are right that not all can win the PL...but you have a lot less chance of hitting something if it's not your aim!
shedboy2
What happens if ENIC build our big shiney new stadium but then decide to keep us????
Slurms McKenzie
Biggest shock of the tournament last night - Belguim looked like a football team that had played together before!
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms McKenzie... Pele10 will have a lot of extra work to do.
MAN ON!
Three competitive games seems to be the required buffer between a poor season and a return to form!
Slurms McKenzie
LOL Man On a frightening thought!
Slurms McKenzie
MAN ON! - Not a chance when you are also trying to play europa games. Add to that one of the criticisms of our new manager was his inability to rotate his squad.
jod
Jan was in the oppositions box more than his own. He must be on a high once again.
MAN ON!
Chelasea are now following the Spurs model, spend thirty plus million on a Spanish striker and extend the contract of your elderly back up keeper!
Slurms McKenzie
Jod was there no rotation because he didn't want or because he couldn't?
Slurms McKenzie
jod... That's what concerns me but we really can only wait and see.... By the by, I basically do agree with a lot of what you were saying yesterday even though it may not have read that way..
MAN ON!
Not being smart JOD I just didn't follow Southampton closely enough to know what their extented squad was like and how comparable the abilty of there number 22, 23, 24 and 25 would be to ours?
Slurms McKenzie
MAn On I have a manager who says more or less the same thing - when they are proven wrong: "that maybe what I said but its not what I menat!"
Slurms McKenzie
Where Spurs come first others will always follow.
MAN ON!
Slurms McKenzie. ;-0. No, in a couple of replies to me yesterday jod was really saying the same as myself but with a different perspective. I agree that we need to be more like Atletico, if you like, but I also feel that a piece of Real will not go amiss...
MAN ON!
... I have a manager that tells me something I should be doing 6 months after I told them the very same thing that they initially disagreed with but then fail to acknowledge that it was my idea and that i've been implementing all along anyway.....
MAN ON!
Slurms McKenzie... If you don't mind me asking, what's your line of work?
MAN ON!
Man On is that not the definition of a manager? and in answer to your question I am an advisor in the Argi sector.
Slurms McKenzie
Not a politician!
Slurms McKenzie
Argi sector? Forgive my ignorance but what is that?
MAN ON!
Farms and Farmers
Slurms McKenzie
Do you mean Agriculture?
MAN ON!
Yes you do.....
MAN ON!
Agri Sector! damn keyboard I think its Dyslexic or at least I am when I type!
Slurms McKenzie
I thought for a moment that you might be Lamelas agent or a good mate of Ossie and Ricky...
MAN ON!
I visited them, offer advise point out where they are going wrong and ensure they are complying with relevent legislation and I have a few well paid bosses who tell me to do this!
Slurms McKenzie
Haha Man On that would be some job, just being there whispering in Ossie's ear - wear the white tie with the blue stripes today Mr. Ardiles!
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms McKenzie. Ok, cheers. It's good to know rather than make any assumptions. Not that I did. You come across as a an intelligent and funny man. so I was intrigued.
MAN ON!
I like it. An Argy whisperer who can also offer advise to farmers on what to do when the neighbours Stallion goes running amok!
MAN ON!
I assure you Man On its just an online persona!
Slurms McKenzie
To my mind, a player like Cambiaso is one that you would go in for in January, if need be. He is not going to come here and sit. We have young players with the same skill set as he, and a young manager who is purportedly good at developing young players. How about we do that rather than bring in players from other leagues. Yes, he has experience. He has won. None of that is keeping him at Inter. How much money does he want? For how many years? Does he speak English? Will his family get on in London? I get that the coach knows him but I don't see him as an upgrade to the players we have, many of whom have potential to be better. As for leaders, what have Lloris, Vertonghen, Sandro and others been before they came to Spurs? What are they in their Nation's side? This is not akin to Jol bringing in Davids (they knew each other) who was a clear upgrade in experience, talent, bite and quality to those we had in midfield at the time. We didn't lose games last season because of a lack of what Cambiasso brings. We lost because those skills in our players were not correctly utilized or developed. What we lac is that player that can spot the killer pass that breaks down a defence that is determined to remain a parked bus. Pirlo makes far more sense and is more what we need. Erksen is fabulous and has tons of upside but he is not really suited to that "defined" middle of the park offensive MF. He likes to flit in and out and, as such, is probably a better "#10" than a bridge from the back to the front. Just think Cambiasso is more likely to create more unrest than the benefits he could bring over a couple of seasons. COYS
peterballb
Slurms McKenzie. Your rule book definition of a captain makes much more sense to me now, given your job description.
MAN ON!
Man On I blame that on my hobby - Basketball Referee!
Slurms McKenzie
peterballb. That sounds like a fair analyses to me, even though I'm not averse to the Cambiasso link myself.
MAN ON!
Problem is Perterballb do we know Lloris, Sandro and Vert will still be here for the new season? We need experience in the middle of the park and Cambiasso will be the bridge between defence and attack. Cambiasso has a good relationship with Pocho and I feel he will help Lamela and Bentaleb, who are young and talented. He could be a good acquisition imo. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Apologies if this has been posted before, but I have only just seen it. Says a lot about past youth development strategy....

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/9369141/transfer-news-liverpool-swoop-for-kevin-stewart
Critical_Spur
TO be honest the Cambiasso link strikes me more as media speculation. He's Argintenian - so is our coach, he's a free agent - levy likes a deal, He's experienced - Spurs have a young squad so the conclusion is spurs could be in for him. I don't think the signing would gel with Levys stated vision for the Pochettino ere and I don't really see a space for Cambiasso at the club as if Sandro goes then he needs to be repalced with a player that will be a fixture in the team for the next thre to four years minimum. My own feelings on the matter is that their will be very few transfers in for Spurs as Levy wants to see Pochettino get the best out of our Mag7 from '13 and I imagine only a couple of "statement" signings will be made.
Slurms McKenzie
Vigouroux as well it seems.
MAN ON!
Sorry that was in response to you Critical...
MAN ON!
Although reading my post you could use the reasoning to justify why Cambiasso would be a good signing for Spurs as well? Now I just don't know what to believe.
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms ... I agree. That’s pretty what I was asking ... what, of the factors I mentioned, could THFC do to manage them better? It was just a general question for discussion really. But still not forgetting that there will always be things beyond anyone’s control.
Geofspurs
Does anyone know when our pre-season training starts?! Should be soon for those not involved with the WC.
Geofspurs
Critical_Spur. I mean that Liverpool are apparently about to sign Vigouroux as well.
MAN ON!
Geofspurs. Next week?
MAN ON!
I think it is this Friday (4th July), Fryers mentioned it and Lamela tweeted that yesterday was his last night with the family before flying.
Kong
Slurms I had the same train of thought re:Cambiasso/Pocho media slant. Much prefer to see a few signings to help the back 4. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Thanks.
Geofspurs
I don’t want to appear negative ... but is anyone else concerned that we’ve dropped 12 places in the EPL since MP took over ... and we haven’t even played a game yet!
Geofspurs
Thanks for clarifying that MAN ON!. For a minute I thought you were taking french lessons! I have no problems with some of our kids moving on, but when a team placed higher than us signs them, I begin to wonder!
Critical_Spur
Okay, I’m banning myself after the last comment. See ya tomorrow!
Geofspurs
geoffspur-i wouldnt be concerned,its done alphabetically.its always been that way
tarkan mardinCOYS
Two youngsters, Stewart and goalkeeper Vigouroux, let go by Spurs sign for L'pool - Inglethorpe's insider knowledge ?

Soton wanting to keep Lovren I hear...
Highgatespur
If we take note of all the media stuff, then by most accounts we're rebuilding our entire squad from every slight connection that Poch has ever had from his past. His Aunty and his wife are about to join the fold as media advisors. His old Saints interpreter is our new centre forward.
MAN ON!
a.k.a.james1spurs, how will Cambiasso help Bentaleb by keeping him out of the lineup. This is not like contemplating bekham for a few months where a legitimate agument could be made that it would provide guidance and leadership for the players who normally take dead balls etc. This is bringing in a player to play at the expense of another squad player who is, at this point in time, probably no worse than Cambiasso and who is a PL experienced player. Personally, I do not select Cambiasso over Sandro or Capoue. I just don't get the point of bringing in a coach who is a purported developer of young players (when there were several available coaches who have winning CV's) and then bringing in older plyers at the exclusion of younger players. This is not an Edgar Davids situation. This does not make sense as a move for Villa last season would have (to replace Bale on the left), nor as a two month move for Beckham would have when we were just brutal with dead ball delivery. Three years ago, this would have made a lot of sense. No the now, IMO, and if it means some of our younger talent mves on because they will not be playing, it could be disastrous. He is 34 in August and will not be coming to sit. He is no longer at the level to be in contemplation for the Argentina National Team. I see far more down side than up side on this one. We need to shed about 6 more senior players as it is without adding anyone. COYS
peterballb
Sorry posted before reading Critical's post ...

Geof, perfect reason to sack MRP, no points n all that, and get the man in waiting -Jurgen Klinsmann!!! That would set a trend in being patient!!!
Highgatespur
G'day Geof.
MAN ON!
Highgatespur.. He's an expert diver. How could you even suggest his name.
MAN ON!
I'm going to try not to speculate on who or what may be good for Spurs right now. I'm gonna blindly but with faith, trust the judgements of our new coach and wait impatiently for the new season. For now, Poch knows best and I know F all.... Until it all goes wrong of course. Up the Spurs, Yid Army and all that jazz!
MAN ON!
Man On1 he used to - we taught him how not to .... he has passed that knowledge to the USMNT...
Highgatespur
tarkan ... Did you really think I was serious? lol
Geofspurs
Man ON as frustrating as it can be I believe thats the best policy besides over the four years or so I've been posting on here neither Levy nor any of the coaches have heeded one word I've said. I don't even know why I bother some times!
Slurms McKenzie
Highgatespur. I'd have Jurgen in the blink of an eye after watching the USA this past couple of weeks. I loved him at Spurs and I'd love him again as our head coach. He is now a fully fledged American though. The camera caught him singing the Star-Spangled banner last night...
MAN ON!
Geof I think you should just had said thank you for the clarification and kept it pure deadpan!
Slurms McKenzie
i dont understnd this expirience malarky-apart from bentaleb we dont have any youngsters.they are all grown men
tarkan mardinCOYS
Man On I must admit ot beign impressed by teh american side that Jurgen has molded, the credit lies with him and he has done a very decent job of making USA a real force to be reckoned with. Now I know others will point to the money being thrown at the american develop system, others will point out that the USANT is effectively a German youth team but all that does a disservice to Klinsmann
Slurms McKenzie
Man On! Yes a fully fledged American in the Golden State - he doesn't seem to have aged badly either .... I agree with you whole heartedly with your post! What a job he's done with both Germans and the US!
Highgatespur
Levy? He doesn't respond to my texts, my emails, my screaming, my shouting, my constant nagging.... He say's he loves me but I know that mans a bare-faced liar, a charlatan, a bean counter and a cheat. Not to mention the knocked off fake designer clothes he makes me wear.
MAN ON!
Tarkan most of our grown men have been trained up to play football they have a full education int eh principles of the sport but very little experience of success. An you know what they say about the difference betweent eh two? Education is the ability to read the fine print, Experience is what you get when you don't!
Slurms McKenzie
Highgatespur.. Botox, a Californian tan and the money of course, knocks years off a man.
MAN ON!
Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes!
Slurms McKenzie
i would advocate scotty parker over cambiasso.
tarkan mardinCOYS
Slurms ... I should have thought of that! Off to bed now.
Geofspurs
Slurms - only four grew up in Germany - one is 32 (Jones) - Amerocan parentage so all is fair... they will be dominating soon - with the german organisation and Americans desire for flair. That free kick was something else ...
Highgatespur
G'd nite Geof!
Highgatespur
Good one Man On!
Highgatespur
Experience - The older I get the better I was.
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms should have followed your own advice!!!
Highgatespur
Highgate, I know but any excuse to take credit from someone, I did enjoy the matches teh USA played in one of the few teasm who actually defended well for the Tournament!
Slurms McKenzie
I can't remember how good I was but I know I'm no worse.
MAN ON!
Highgate you just witnessed experience in action!
Slurms McKenzie
I've wiled away a bloody day on here and I ain't gettin' younger, so see you all next time...
MAN ON!
Experience is a comb which nature gives to men when they are bald. Levy has experience so!
Slurms McKenzie
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way.
Slurms McKenzie
Good judgment comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgment
Slurms McKenzie
Could Pochettino repeat this when asked what iy has ben like to wok with Levy ?

http://youtu.be/c_A0GigrQl0
Highgatespur
Admit your errors before someone else exaggerates them
Slurms McKenzie
Spurs make prodigious mistakes, Spurs has colossal faults, but one thing cannot be denied: Spurs are always on the move. we may be going to Hell, of course, but at least we aren't standing still
Slurms McKenzie
All men make mistakes, but married men find out about them sooner
Slurms McKenzie
I'd say the best way to dep;oy Cambs, would be to send away Nabil, Tom and Ryan away on loans again to Swindon...
Highgatespur
Never say, "oops." Always say, "Ah, interesting" - words to live by, I'm going home.
Slurms McKenzie
What's this Slurms - re creating a book pf quotes ?!!
Highgatespur
Highgate that seems awful like the policy persued by one of our more recent managers! The one with the reputation for developing young players!
Slurms McKenzie
Just broadening horizons and minds Highgate, hope there was something in there for everyone!
Slurms McKenzie
Really Topho? Fair enough. I've seen him play last season and he looked a class apart. Chances are he won't come to WHL but if he did Lamela and Bentaleb will benefit. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Plus its always a worry when the biggest selling point for a new player is his experience, which just means he's old! If you owned a formula one team would signing a guy who has twenty years experience of winning and competiting in MotoGP be of much use to you? He'd have expereince alright but its relevance to your situation would be very limited!
Slurms McKenzie
reputation would be a strong exaggerated word there Slurms!
Highgatespur
certainly widened my horizons!!!!
Highgatespur
Guys, since some of us getting their knickers in twist over the potential recruitment of Cambiosso, is it not possible that interest in him is 2-fold?, i.e., some playing time followed by a coaching role? Poch may be looking at his own 5-year reign and he may need that 'recently retired' player to be part of the coaching team?... The only thing I'd be against will be the £75K mooted as his weekly demand.
Critical_Spur
Maybe a golden oldie should be deemed a free pick in the same way an under 21 can...
MAN ON!
I'm definitely out of here now............
MAN ON!
Critical I say in these times £75k is a snip .... I hear MrP is thinking of asking Ledley to come back from retirement as well...
Highgatespur
Highgate as a part-time player and a part-time coach, imo, he's worth it. Can't be worse than Les + the other!
Critical_Spur
Brillaint - we could use the oldies as part of the main team - why not did very well on Ledley's night.... XXXXXXL kits required though for the likes Gary Brooks and Mickey Hazard.
Highgatespur
I'd have Mickey over Eden any day of the week.. I'm not here.
MAN ON!
was surprised we let Stewart go...he was one I thought might make it...AVB had him on the bench...Inglethorpe knew these guys much better than Tim.....
shedboy2
Stewart seemed way over delighted by this development !!! Good luck ... we did let them go.... why not Mason ?
Highgatespur
We can't hold on to all the kids. It does a disservice to them and to Spurs. I'd rather play 18 year olds who may, one day have it all click than 21 year olds who will never be a part of the Spurs first team. If at 21, you are not knocking on the door, it is unlikely you ever will be. Sell them if you can with a decent sell-on fee or release them. I'm sure Levy would have sold if he could, but there were no takers. Liverpool may just beincreasing the competition in their reserves and u-21 rather than selecting these players as prospects. They already have a pretty decent keeper, last I checked. There's always a risk of letting go a prospect who will one day develop, but I think, as an organization, players and families will respect it more if they are released rather than being kept in a closed system where they are unlikely to ever get out from under the pile. I thought what we did to Pav, Gio, Niko, Pletikosa etc was disgracefuland cost them all at least a season of their careers. When you do it to a kid, you potentially kneecap any chance of them having a career in football. That is more disgraceful. COYS
peterballb
Terry Variables?...Good manager, great player...
Brown-Baker-Henry
Brilliantly put peterballb.
Highgatespur
ah murrays mound will be a bit emptier. maybe a few tennis ball earrings around the gaff now!! lol.
Dublin Hotspur
aka, as Tony Green off bullseye would say…."IIINNN ONE"
Dublin Hotspur
one more reason. we didn't buy the wrong players last season, we coached them badly. wait and see my friend. I'm sure I've been here before..deja vu?
Dublin Hotspur
groundhog day….
Dublin Hotspur
aqui vamos de nuevo
Dublin Hotspur
Ci risiamo
Dublin Hotspur
koko de wa saido iku
Dublin Hotspur
Hey Dublin, hope you still conversant in English - didn't realise you're a linguist, Wembley Ipswich and Brighton being touted as P/T WHL - ridiculous !! why not your fair city - probably easier/quicker to get to from north London!!!! Btw looks like ole Danny Boy is up to his tricks with the bargaining !!
Highgatespur
According to BBC Sport, "Manchester City are willing to accept a knockdown fee for Micah Richards.".

Too injury prone?
Critical_Spur
Dublin is the choice highgate! Trouble is we couldn't fill the away end at shamrock rovers let alone the aviva for home games... Much as I would love it! Unless you lot would travel! Same as going to Ipswich or brighton time wise I suppose. Bring it on!
Dublin Hotspur
One more reason. A lot of coaching required. To learn a system and work on fitness required. Do you think messi, neymars etc don't need intensive coaching? Have you ever played sport or watched it for that matter, or do you just hang out in soho eateries and argue with me on here? Just a question... Groundhog Day.... ( highgate, I love languages by the way. Snippets here and there from travels and friends. No fluencies!)
Dublin Hotspur
On Newsnow - a report that Sandro has agreed to go to Napoli! As the song says "Whats going on ?"

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/07/02/report-sandro-agrees-to-join-napoli-lucas-is-back-up/?
Highgatespur
Does anyone else feel that (after reading the Barcelona reports today - 2 new centre backs whose clubs feel value will increase after World Cup etc) that vertonghen will soon leave for barca. Hope not, but likely and hope we have replacements. Like the negredo striker link though...
Windlespur
No.
Dublin Hotspur
Spell check. Yes! ;)
Dublin Hotspur
Ditto with Dublin
Highgatespur
A lot of coaching required for every player mate. Think about it. Internationals prob more than mediocre players.
Dublin Hotspur
Highgatespur, the reports states that Sandro's agent has agreed personal terms and is trying to get ou valationdown to 12-15M. This would explain why today there are all the reports that we have valued Sandro at a minimum 20M GBP, which would be appropriate given his skill set. He could easily dominate there and would get more time and space on the ball which would likely make his offensive numbers better. I think last season's humiliation by Sherwood was the last straw though his tweet from Brazil did say he was on his way to London...see you soon. Who knows. Either way he has been clss. If he goes, it will be a huge loss, but we will get our money as Levy always does. Silver lining in every cloud. COYS
peterballb
Even if Cambiasso settles himself well, what of his family, the language, the new team new league, new refs etc. Gio looks great for Mexico and great in Spain. Looked less so in England (though he never really got a run). Lamela was brilliant 2012-2013 in Italy. How'd las season go? And he is in the international team picture though not at the WC. As the article states, lots of variables. Transition is rarely seamless. COYS
peterballb
peterballb. A lot of variables - right up to 31st August most likely!!!
Highgatespur
That's all we need, the Sandro rumours to get louder! Pele10 will be in overdrive mode about the auction house!
Critical_Spur
It's a good time for Sandro to go... Before he gets crocked yet again.
MAN ON!
Windlespur, there's not much you can do when Barca, RM, City, PSG etc come in for a player. Agent is tapped up first, gets player to want it now (if they didn't already - Jan's play went down as soon as he knew Barca were looking at him) and then, all the team can do is set their valuation to ridiculous, and, if it is met, off they go. If not, they know why they are staying. Price wasn't met. Suarez was always going to go this summer. The bite and suspension probably knocked off 10-20M off the transfer fee. Both Barca and RM wanted him. Sagna wanted out of Arsenal. Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool -small market teams or reality of the market? Sucks to be us. Shame FFPR just throw around nominal fines and not exclusion for the real problem clubs. COYS
peterballb
MAN ON!, Sandro is a beast. Yes, his style of play leads to injuries. Use either Sandro or Capoue every game and the back four will be protected. He was dominant at Internacionale for years before we finally landed him. He is a monster. When on the pitch, we play bigger. When he is not, we get dominated. Other teams have to work around him. Dembele, Paulinho, Holtby, bentaleb and Carroll cause no such concerns. He would be my captain and I would not let him leave. Sherwood will be to blame if he goes. He will be a monster wherever he plays. COYS
peterballb
That's why you have either he or Capoue. They split the time, save their bodies a bit while playing tough and forcing the opposition to the outside. Play to your strengths. Don't trade them away and look for new ones. For me, Dembele would be the odd man out because he does not make the killer pass and stays on the ball too long. Great dribbler who glides by players but not enough goals or assists. I'd rather see Paulinho or Holtby doing that. Dembele has good market value. I just don't see how he fits with the offensive players in the squad. Defensively he is better than he gets credit for. Yet, he'd still be the odd man out for me. COYS
peterballb
I think Sandro is great and I like him a lot but since he arrived in March 2010 he has only played in 73 matches. I don't feel that's a good enough stat and I can't see it changing for the better. I will be very happy for him to stay but not surprised or too concerned if he does leave soon.
MAN ON!
... Sorry, his first match for Spurs was in Sept 2010.
MAN ON!
not sure what all the fuss is about sandro average at best, injury prone, and when played he wasnt convincing always gets a yellow and a red card waiting to happen, 15mil would be good business
123spurs
123spurs. I do agree that he has now come to be a bit of a liability but he is not an average player. He's just not very reliable...
MAN ON!
fair point
123spurs
An alternative logo for the shirts ?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/125871958@N03/with/14375199477/
Highgatespur
Highgate...The last article. Where did I say Vert's refused to play LB??. I thought I kept saying he was not happy playing LB, a statement you yourself eluded to on one of the article links I put up on Tuesday.

Again to add balance, I will state, you defended him them, not only calling his poor performance, but others also, rightly so. I think you will find that I myself have also stated he was not the only under achiever, did you not see his poor attitude at times last season, not talking about reasons why, but just the attitude, or did you miss this?.

If you did indeed witness, my initial question was regarding captaining the team, is this a way forward when bringing personal issues onto the pitch?, it appears my questioning whether right or wrong is not alone, I found numerous articles somewhat eluding to the same thought, IE: poor attitude, some of which I posted, you rightly stated they were only opinion, but I have to ask, based on what?, I'm guessing all that is seen. Your defence of Vert's is admirable, as stated, I like the guy also, however, I will always look at the whole picture, he might have been fed false promises, who he was playing with and where, but however one wishes to dress it up, IMO his attitude affected his performance at times and this needs to be remembered not swerved when considering captain material, after all, there were two articles on VS that said as much, with posts both agreeing and disagreeing with the thought. No wrongs no right, but I stand by what I saw, same as many.
Cider spurs
Unbelievable ... why does everyone carry on talking after I’ve gone to bed. I always thought the world stopped when I went to sleep and started again when I woke up. Now I’ll have to rethink all that!!
Geofspurs
Geof...On the plus side, as a result of time zones, when you are sleeping, in the UK we have to endure Home and Away and Neighbours.
Cider spurs
That said, could never get enough of Kylie and Holly Valance post Neighbours and Home and Away look damn fine.
Cider spurs
Cider ... lol
Geofspurs
And the tottenham turfies feature in a tv ad on boomerang channel during scooby doo. Genius tactic to snare a new generation of fans.
Dublin Hotspur
Haha I saw that too Dublin. What a pile of poo lol. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
onemore...I don't get why some are getting so defensive, I've never said I don't rate Vert's, merely stated his leadership skills may be questionable if he was to repeat last seasons wobble regarding attitude, also agreeing that he was not alone in the poor performance stakes at times last season.

I suppose I should have ended this ages ago and said we should make Rose captain...I'd suggest many would state no way, crap performances and bad attitude, difference being?. That's right, Vert's is far a better player, so why the attitude and poor performances, as a paying fan, am I not allowed to question commitment. LOL!.
Cider spurs
Tottenham Turfies LOL!...That's the new starting 11!.
Cider spurs
Here is Muttley's conspiracy theory. Sandro WILL go but WON'T be replaced by Cambiaso. He will be replaced by Schneiderlin. Check this page out - http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/profile.html/morgan-schneiderlin. Anyone notice the the "homegrown" tab. Turns out that Shcneiderlin joined Southampton at 18/19 and managed to get 3 years affiliated to the FA before his 21st b'day, therefore being classed as homegrown.

Quote from Wikipedia "At the end of the season, Schneiderlin was credited for the most tackles, interceptions and highest work rate in the Premier League, establishing himself as one the best holding midfielders in England. He picked up both the Player's Player and Fan's Player of the Year awards at Southampton's end of season awards"

So my theory is that Baldini and Poch are listening to Napoli and don't be surprised if Sandro leaves. Also explains why Dawson, Siggy etc are being linked away.
muttley
http://m.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/turfies-games-banish-the-holiday-boredom-301213/
Dublin Hotspur
onemore...I still don't get where some feel I have got it so wrong?. All opinions of course, but a quick type of "Vertonghen bad attitude" into Google will show endless links eluding to the same thing, what am I missing here?. Am I wrong?, am I now no longer a supporter?. I've not even picked on the bloke, always try to add positives when writing negatives about a player, said he was not alone in poor performances, and that he had a great game the other night, adding also I rate him. I've merely regurgitated media and blog articles alike repeating what has been said, from my POV something I agree with in the main.
Cider spurs
peterballb tells us regarding the mighty Sandro's imminent departure "Sherwood will be to blame if he goes. He will be a monster wherever he plays." Don't quite that one Peter? If Sandro fell out with Sherwood who was sacked shortly after, and a new coach brought in, wouldn't you think Sandro would be happy that his in house enemy, who was restricting his career was moved on and a new fresh coach brought in??? Of course the real truth is that Sandro like Lloris, Vertonghen, Pauli all want out like players of the past Bale, Modric, Carrick, The Prince, Fredi, Mendes etc etc, who all went on to win serious silverware, after witnessing first hand the disharmony between repeated head coaches and that interfering, fantasy football chairman, quite simply want away because they want success and glory! The exact same thing will happen with Eriksen by next summer! A players career is short, and we have seen from the likes of Defoe, Lennon, King, etc etc that sticking around at THFC with ENIC running the show equals ending your career with virtually no success or champions League football experience what so ever... This will continue and continue until the football mercenary and his Fantasy Football apprentice are far, far away on their off shore ENIC yacht....
Pele10
Cider I've said that Vert should have been given the role as Captain role when he joined us. We miseed a trick here. Yes he's moaned and his body language at times said it all last season, but with the responsibility as captain I'm sure he would have risen above that and led by example. Apart from Lloris I don't see many other candidates. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
We have all witnessed what a focused great player Vertonghen is when playing for his country this World Cup. We also witnessed this on his arrival at Spurs during his first season. But once he saw the disharmony within the club between his coach and the board, star being players sold who he was told were going to be his team mates, he became distracted, unhappy and now want's away! The last thing on his mind is ever becoming a Spurs captain which would involve him even more within the dreadful politics at the club. Why do you think Michael Dawson is the captain of THFC? Because the guy is just so very grateful not to be playing for a Championship Club. Levy needs YES men, both on and off the pitch...
Pele10
Geof...Correct, so many variables, but is it a mere coincidence that it appears the most successful clubs of the prem era of late tend to be the ones who pay the most wages?, usually resulting in the best players, resulting in the most champions league qualifications. This for me has the biggest bearing on what level we perform at, the players we posses and their ability.
Cider spurs
Just looking at the european lists for qualification to CL and el. Assuming the Irish sides that continue will be in the el, there is a chance spurs could be returning to Ireland. One chance is Sligo rovers. Fingers crossed slurms! Could be a good night out if all falls into place!
Dublin Hotspur
Cider whats your problem with Verts? Why all the hate? Its like you're Pele10 and Verts is your ENIC!
Slurms McKenzie
I'll have my seat booked after tonights game Dublin. Come on the Bit O'Red beat the Banga boys! Spurs versus the Rovers would be a cracking night in the Showgrounds! Spurs would probably edge it - just!
Slurms McKenzie
onemoreseason, Yes Levy has bought some great players, but the vast majority of the 100 plus players he bought over 14 seasons have been mediocre. Just take a look at his magnificent 7. And whats the point of buying great players if they are sold before they win anything??? Of course you love the fact that these great players are sold for a vaste fortune, whilst we real Spurs feel gutted we never witnessed the likes of Bale, VDV etc etc etc winning a single trophy whilst playing for our once great club. I don't give Levy the slightest bit of of credit what soever for turning THFC into a Fantasy Football, Empty trophy cabinet, no CL football, no new stadium Auction House. ENIC LOSERS OUT!!!
Pele10
It would be some wage bill if we couldn't sell a player before they won something! And how would we fund the wages if we didn'tgenerate reveue by selling players?
Slurms McKenzie
onemoreseason, So you want Verts sold as well as Sandro??? You must be a LOSER Levy creation!!! Give up ENIC apologists...
Pele10
No more sales all unhappy players to be forced to stay at the club and made to play every game where they will no doubt give 100%. Can't see the down side in that approach...
Slurms McKenzie
Do you remember the Alan Sugar days PELE?
spurs-stelios
spurs-stelios.. That could be the opening line of a new Chas'n'Dave Spurs' song.
MAN ON!
onemoreseason - it's linked to Dawson and Siggy because they make up our homegrown congintent. Siggy qualifies as homegrown and has been linked to Swansea who of course might lose a homegrown to us. Southampton are also in for Ben Davies as they have lost Shaw, Lallana and Lambert which are 3 homegrown players. Admittedly we have quite a few homegrowns but do we really trust Naughton, Rose, Obika, Carroll, Mason etc?
muttley
We should have moved quicker on Davies - bidding war about to start and the staints hav 55million burning a hole in their pocket!
Slurms McKenzie
 

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