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Is Jan the Man for Barca?

Is Jan the Man for Barca?

It appears that Jan Vertonghen is the latest and not unexpected name to be linked with a WHL departure.

In reality it is hardly a surprise that Vert is wanted elsewhere, as he is clearly a good mix of defender and footballer, ideal for the demands of todays game. You could also see a logic in him attracting interest from a club like Barca, even if his performance and attitude didn`t seem quite to standard last season.

Speaking of possible interest, his agent Mustapha Nakhli said: 'Several teams are interested in Jan, I cannot confirm or deny whether Barcelona are one of them. 'Tottenham is not a small club. It's too soon to give them an answer. Several clubs have registered their interest in Jan. We'll see."
Of course that means nothing at this time and we all know that agents see their roles as getting the best deal for their client, whether they like it or not.. What we don`t know is what the player himself wants and also whether Barca are truly looking at him as their prime target.

Should this actually develop, what would our valuation of Vertonghen be and is there also a potential that we might be able to do a deal with one of their emerging players that might interest Pochettino?

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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Friday July 11 2014
Time: 10:20AM

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In my opinion, he's not good enough for Barca.
muttley
11/07/2014 10:26:00
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Also, based on supply and demand Jan is probably worth over £30m. Every top club in the Prem and several other clubs like Barca want centre halves so they will have to pay over the odds. There simply isn't the supply of great centre halves to choose from at the moment and a lot of clubs looking.
muttley
11/07/2014 10:29:00
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you are right muttley
tarkan mardinCOYS
11/07/2014 10:30:00
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He has the ability but is prone to switching off. Barca may risk him but I'm sure they have defenders as good as; if not better. He needs to get his head down and deliver the goods for us in the new season. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
11/07/2014 10:32:00
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Based on last season: It's goodbye Jan. Based on the season before: Please don't go. No doubt there'll be a lengthy couple of posts telling us his life story and how he's such a great talent and future captain. Blah blah. Who cares? He either wakes up and proves he's a winner or he can go and mope about elsewhere.
MAN ON!
11/07/2014 10:32:00
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Hot on the heels of the ITKs and rag top football sources getting the Lloris transfer dead wrong we now have the next player they would like to see leave The Lane?
Slurms McKenzie
11/07/2014 10:33:00
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if the choice is between him or matt hummels for barca than im sorry its hummels all the time
tarkan mardinCOYS
11/07/2014 10:33:00
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Based on his dreadful performances last season Barca probably think they can get him on the cheap. If they pay the right money we should get rid of him, he is clearly not interested in putting in 100% effort for this club and £25-30m would be a good price. Our defense was better last season when he wasn't in it.
StripiestPilot
11/07/2014 10:39:00
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Jan actually stated during the World Cup that he was committed to Spurs, and that MP had called him after his appointment and that Jan was looking forward to playing under him. Nothing is ever sure in life but that is a fairly recent and clear statement of intent. He has said in the Belgian press that he knows last year was not the best, and that he knows he can play at a higher level.
BelgianSpur
11/07/2014 10:43:00
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BelgianSpur. I hope he meant it.
MAN ON!
11/07/2014 10:45:00
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I also think that playing alongside Dawson, who I felt was dreadful last year, made it more difficult for Jan. He had thge odd lapse in concentration but I do think that his "sulking" was largely overblown by the typically excessive British press.
BelgianSpur
11/07/2014 10:45:00
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vertonghens agent said"sevral clubs are interested in jan.i cannot confirm or deny if one of them is barca.Tottenham is not a small club.its too soon to give them an answer.we will see."
tarkan mardinCOYS
11/07/2014 10:45:00
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BelgianSpur... I don't take any notice of the press. I saw the attitude quite clearly, close up at WHL, other grounds and on TV for myself.
MAN ON!
11/07/2014 10:48:00
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As far as being good enough for Barca, I certainly think he is. On his day, he is a top 5 CB. Harry Redknapp said last year that Man City's weakest link was that they had no one of value to partner Kompany and that if he was running the team, he would put in a 40 million bid for Vertonghen. Are ther better defenders out there? Probably, but not many. Is Hummels better? Maybe, but look at his injury record. Better to spend 40 million on Hummels and see him miss 40% of the season every year, or Vertonghen and see him start 85% of the games? Not to mention the versatility (he helps out a left back and is actually not half bad there).
BelgianSpur
11/07/2014 10:49:00
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belgian-vertonghen is over rated.his also a slow coach
tarkan mardinCOYS
11/07/2014 10:51:00
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IMO, you cannot blame any other player for another players faults. Why make excuses for him? If it's down to the other defenders being so bad then why was Lloris so good?
MAN ON!
11/07/2014 10:52:00
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To be fair, and I don't want to defend Vertonghen at all costs (although I am biased), wouldn't you have the ump when your team is leaking goals at the back like crazy, and you are doing your best to cover for Dawson's lack of pace and Rose's mistakes? Because he's got the talent, people expect him to perform miracles and do 3 defenders' job. Both him and Lloris looked less than pleased with the way certain games went. Should they throw teammates under the bus? Probably not. But I can't fault them for being upset at the situation and showing it. Sherwood should have been fuming as well.
BelgianSpur
11/07/2014 10:53:00
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Belgian- michael dawson was much better than this guy last season.i know you want to support your fellow countryman but dont talk nonsense
tarkan mardinCOYS
11/07/2014 10:55:00
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I mean, why not blame him for the others mistakes? They are and will all be responsible for themselves and the team as a unit. They sink or swim, as a team.
MAN ON!
11/07/2014 10:56:00
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Tarkan- anyone can make a statement to say this or that player is overrated. But that's personal opinion isn't it? Vertonghen was statistically the 6th best defender at the World Cup, and 11th overall. Those are facts, based on various metrics collected by FIFA (passes completed, interceptions, goals,...). Overrated compared to who?
BelgianSpur
11/07/2014 10:57:00
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Because he had to make more saves MAN ON! ;) COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
11/07/2014 10:58:00
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you probably think dembele is great too
tarkan mardinCOYS
11/07/2014 10:59:00
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I watched Verts closely in the World Cup and he does not encourage his fellow team mates. If a pass to him goes ashtray he shrugs his shoulders and moans at the other player. If one of his passes goes wayward he still gives his team mate a look as if to say, why were you not where I placed the ball? This is an attitude problem that has nothing to do with the players around him.
MAN ON!
11/07/2014 11:01:00
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No Dembele was *****e and hasn't lived up to expectations, neither has Chadli so far. I just don't see Barca making any inquiries about Dawson, that's all. On the other hand, Hull are. You are definitely right when saying that Vertonghen had a crap season. I'm not disputing that one bit. But one player started a World Cup quarter-final, the other stayed at home to watch the tournament. Can you really make a case for Dawson being a superior defender?
BelgianSpur
11/07/2014 11:03:00
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I agree with the first comment.
Geofspurs
11/07/2014 11:06:00
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this article is about vertonghen but no doubt michael dawson will get mentioned more than jan.
tarkan mardinCOYS
11/07/2014 11:06:00
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MAN ON!- Agree that his attitude could/should be better, and moaning never helps the team. But on that basis, we've seen our fair share of players at WHL with attitude problems who still turned out to be productive players (Adebayor, Berbatov, Robbie Keane to name a few).
BelgianSpur
11/07/2014 11:07:00
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Hahaha Dawson's nuts still clinging on like a couple of dingleberries. Maybe if Jan had a stupid smile on his face things would be different. Instead his perceived "sulking" is his annoyance at the shocking team performance and the fact the two players left and right of him were so poor. It's no surprise that Jan is linked with Barca and the likes and that Dawson is linked with Hull etc. the gulf in class is beyond measure in each and every department. It's sad some people wish the club to move backwards by holding onto below average "nice guys"...
Mix26
11/07/2014 11:10:00
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Belgian ... Quoting 'Arry'! We could spend a lifetime doing that!
Geofspurs
11/07/2014 11:10:00
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MAN ... your last comment is very true.
Geofspurs
11/07/2014 11:11:00
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Apparently He was ranked in the top ten defenders at the world cup? scoring, whilst not his top priority, also got him exposure, and he may be suited to a slower passing style in Spain. depending on what they offer us, should we take it? but more importantly, what is our back four line up for next season, ideally? Walker albeit injured for part of the season hardly came on leaps and bounds, Younes is quality but lacks consistency, i'd like to see Davies turn up as LB, but who else? we do need to shed some dead wood, Capoue, Rose, BAE, Lennon, Dembele can all go. as for future Captain, I'd make Sandro captain if Daws leaves us.
falmouthyid
11/07/2014 11:13:00
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Vidic, Roy Keane, John Terry, Ferdinand, to name a few of players that were no nonsense players who never played with "smiles" on thier faces. They were hard and unforgiving.
Mix26
11/07/2014 11:13:00
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BelgianSpur. I don't dislike Jan and I believe him to be a talented player. I lost some faith and patience with him and many others last season and I'll not make excuses on their behalf. Players making mistakes is all part of the game and even the very best are not always the best. I just want each and every one of them to play like winners, every match. I think it's all about confidence and hopefully it will be restored and in place for next season, whoever is in the team/squad.
MAN ON!
11/07/2014 11:15:00
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Mix26 - my point exactly. Let's sell Vertonghen and look for a replacement. Great plan. Who are we going to buy, and at what price? As discussed in other posts, we're offering no CL football, and we have a limited wage structure. We can either deal with the attitude problems of a talented footballer who is already at the club and under contract, or take our chances in the transfer market to try to find a replacement who will be expensive and who may or may not work out. I fail to understand the logic of that argument on any level.
BelgianSpur
11/07/2014 11:15:00
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who believes barca is interested in vertonghen?not me.none of the spanish outlets are leading with this.his not good enough for them,in fact the way his been playing i dont think he is good enough for us .COYS
tarkan mardinCOYS
11/07/2014 11:16:00
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If the right money comes in (30m) i say sell, there are 2 or 3 CB in england we can get in and wont spend half that, hes performance was shocking and i dont care who was in the team.
spurs50yrs
11/07/2014 11:17:00
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you speak through a position of strength.
tarkan mardinCOYS
11/07/2014 11:18:00
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MAN ON! - I can fully agree with your last statement. Everyone needs to fight for the shirt and for the fans. I just dislike the vendetta towards certain players and how fickle some fans can be, without thinking the problem through. Selling a player only creates one more problem. This isn't FIFA or Football Manager. Transfer dealings are tough.
BelgianSpur
11/07/2014 11:19:00
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Mix26. True but smiling or not is not what it's about.
MAN ON!
11/07/2014 11:21:00
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BeligianSpurs - FIFA can stick their stats where the sun don't shine. It doesn't work that way for defenders. Defending is an art form that is about reading of the game, positional sense, communication and ultimately the ability to defend your goal. Did Vert's do that well at the WC. Absolutely not. He was completely fallible a few times albeit playing out of position. I bet the stats didn't show how many times he let his marker get goal side of him. I bet they didn't show how may times he left a gaping hole that a player run through. I bet they didn't show where he was directly or indirectly responsible for a clean shot on goal or even a goal itself. Don't get me wrong, I rate the guy and his indifferent season was still way better than Dawson, Rose etc. He wasn't a great defender though either last season or in the WC and I'm a little surprised Barca are in for him. He needs to benchmark himself against guys like Kompany. That's who Barca should be after if they want to emulate the team they had a few years ago. Vertonghen needs to get his head down and prove that he is first and foremost a great defender. We know he can do all the other stuff that gets measured by stats. I think he can be a great defender but he's definitely not there yet.
muttley
11/07/2014 11:22:00
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spurs50years - name them. 2 or 3 CB's in England who are just as good as Jan Vertonghen, available for a transfer, affordable, and whose club will be willing to sell to a potential PL rival. I can name several who are as good/better, but they're either playing for a bigger club, or will never be sold to a direct rival.
BelgianSpur
11/07/2014 11:23:00
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and if this place degenerates into a michael dawson bashing i dont want any part of it.you will not get my input in the matter
tarkan mardinCOYS
11/07/2014 11:24:00
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BelgianSpur. I agree but this article is about Jan. I'm feeling peeved about most of our players. Like I said I will accept mistakes and loses as long as I can see the effort and teamwork of winners. I look forward to a new start and a fresh outlook, come the Hammers match and from there on.
MAN ON!
11/07/2014 11:25:00
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BelgiumSpur it's absolutely ludicrous to consider selling such a talent that requires the absolute minimum other than to work on his "attitude" apparently. Jan is a winner and from my perspective I can understand his frustration. It amazes me that posters who comment during match threads on how bad DR or MD is playing and how they lack commitment etc and/or how DR hits 1/10 crosses yet they believe our "human" players on the park are in no way effected by this. I would prefer a disappointed player over a player that accepts the avg
Mix26
11/07/2014 11:25:00
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muttley- stats don't tell the whole story, for sure. And no defender is perfect (and certainly not Kompany at the last WC either, although the guy is pure class). Jan makes mistakes. But somehow, despite our expertise in football, managers are still picking him. He must be doing something right.
BelgianSpur
11/07/2014 11:27:00
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People will complain about certain players being picked on and then in their next sentence go on to slate another. We need a team of performers and they're all in it together.
MAN ON!
11/07/2014 11:28:00
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Here here ManOn. We have a coach who should put the heat and passion back into this talented squad for sure. No slow build up like AVB and no complete horse shiet like DS. Attacking high pressing football with desire and heart. Def looking forward to this season!
Mix26
11/07/2014 11:31:00
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And for the record, I love Michael Dawson and he's been a great servant to the club. I just think that if the club is to move forward from a footballing perspective, the defence should be built around Vertonghen, not Dawson. I still think Dawson has value as a squad player. But surely he cannot be starting for a club with top 4 aspirations.
BelgianSpur
11/07/2014 11:31:00
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Ox, another thought provoking article... whether Verts is fit for Barca is not for me to think about but I definitely think he is definitely one of the players to rake Spurs onto the next stage. It never ceases to surprise how quickly the Spurs 'fans' jump on the bandwagon led by the anti-Spurs media. It was all how Lloris was playing well fro France to enable him to jump the ship called Spurs... funny how it all went quiet yesterday ... and today it's Jan's turn. Likewise with Jan, all the noise about Jan being substituted in the first game for Belgium but strangely it all quiet when Jan proved to be the valuable player for the rest of the games.

For me, the biggest barrier to Spurs succeeding left on 13th May. NOT one Spurs player had a good season last year - and now we can look forward to a brand new season with a refreshing change of a knowledgeable coach on tow and look forward to a season with hope.
I wonder why the likes of Rose, Dawson, Naughton, Kaboul, Adebayor aren't afforded these speculative stories... no clubs such as Barca are looking at them as a source of improvement. Get the picture ? Slurms, my betting is on Dembele and then Chadli being the next on the 'scrutiny' list...

NOT one Spurs player had a good season last year - and now we can look forward to a brand new season with a refreshing change of a knowledgeable coach and look forward to a season with hope.

It's up to us Spurs fans who claim to be support Spurs, either virtually, make believe or in person, to get behind the squad / club and see us succeed.!!! COYS!!!
Highgatespur
11/07/2014 11:32:00
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As good as Jan was last year oh yes
spurs50yrs
11/07/2014 11:33:00
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Point well taken MAN ON. I just feel that some players deserve blame more than others, but that's also quite subjective I suppose. Football remains a team game.
BelgianSpur
11/07/2014 11:33:00
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Belgian - I get it. I would absolutely pick Vertonghen but it would be with conditions he hasn't had before. He needs to take more responsibility and work harder on his partnerships at the back. Dawson is an absolute mess and I will never defend him. No positional sense, no reading of the game and I'm shocked he's even at Spurs let alone wearing the armband and in the side. Chiriches though is the most intelligent defender we have. He is like Carvalho in that most of the great stuff he does 80% of fans don't notice and that's the way it should be. He reads the game and gets a toe in where most defender have to have a full blooded tackle because his brain is engaged first. Kaboul though needs a leader alongside him to talk to him and keep him focused. We have 3 fantastic centre halves and we need a coach to organise them. Selling any would be counter productive to what we are trying to achieve.
muttley
11/07/2014 11:34:00
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The only noise linking Verts with Barcelona is coming from his agents mouth. That alone speaks volumes. The Spanish press are notorious for fanning any flames regarding the ins and outs of their 'Big Two', and yet there hasn't been a whiff from the rags. This is an agent attempting to instigate a bidding war when so far there is no tangible evidence of interest from anywhere. That isn't to say he won't have attracted interest, especially after the World Cup, but it's all ifs and buts for the time being. And if the smoke is evidence of fire, and his head and heart are already elsewhere, then we can demand top dollar based on his current contract. If Luke Shaw is worth £30+ million, then we ought to at least ask for that to be matched. As for replacements? I am sick of us offering no aerial threat whatsoever from our set-pieces, or aerial cover from our opponents set-pieces, and so I'd like at least one centre-back who gives this and also puts defending as his priority. I wouldn't cry my eyes out if we brought in Shawcross for example. A centre-back in the mould of Dawson, who puts his head in where it hurts, but who actually gives confidence when the long/high balls are flying in either box. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
11/07/2014 11:35:00
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a.k.a.james1spurs. That's not actually true. I know what you mean though.
MAN ON!
11/07/2014 11:35:00
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spurs50yrs not really going out on a limb there are we? ;-). Agree Jan was shocking at times last year, but he remains class overall is my point, and any chance of losing him (to Barca or any other club) should be bad news to any Spurs fan IMO. That's all I wanted to say.
BelgianSpur
11/07/2014 11:37:00
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I have officially stopped listening to what the media say. They get a slight scent of something and sensationalise it to get hits and sell papers. Jan said a few months ago he needs to think about his future after the WC, hinting that he would be open to a move. Less than Two weeks ago he said that he wanted to be at spurs next season and looks forward to working with MP. That supersedes what he said months ago when we (and he) was in a bad place

If Barca come in and offer 15m then he won’t be sold. If they come and offer 25-30m he will be. It’s that simple. Every single player at THFC is for sale at the right price. All I ask is that unlike every single transfer window before, set a deadline for departures. If Barca do want him (again no evidence whatsoever) say its X amount by next week or don’t bother calling again. AND STICK TO IT

I just hope the wheels start turning with our business, if we do any! Top 4 is looking impossible as it stands. Chelsea have massively improved, Arsenal have just signed Sanchez (so many people do not realise how big that signing is!!!) and are in for Khedira and a boat load of other A listers if you believe the rumours. Liverpool have arguably strengthened although they have lost their best player. Man U will be a different animal this season and city are just city. If they want Neymar on deadline day they could probably get him!! It just really concerns me that with a month to go before the season starts the only confirmed target we have enquired about is Ben Davies, and we still couldn’t get that over the line FFS.
hudderspur
11/07/2014 11:38:00
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MAN ON! the truth is out there :) COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
11/07/2014 11:40:00
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I love the way people are making excuses for Jan, how his form was everybody's fault but his own. One of the things that makes a player great is his mental strength, Jan doesn't have it. I simply can't imagine Kompany allowing anything to shift his focus from doing what he had do in a game, maybe why he is first choice for Belgium and Vertonghen relegated to left back. The real problem for us is simply numbers. At the moment I would only regard Jan and Dawson as actually being adequate for the premier league, Kaboul's injuries and Cliriches mistakes being the problem. We already need two centre backs, get rid of Vertonhen and we need three.
jod
11/07/2014 11:42:00
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The point is we are talking about last year, lets say we dont start the season well and we lose a few with some 4 nils thrown in, is he going to revert to last season again, if so get rid now while is stock is high
spurs50yrs
11/07/2014 11:42:00
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I've posted this before but now is not the time to be losing our best centre halves. Utd have lost Vidic and Rio and have a decent budget. City have lost Lescott, Richards could go and the jury is out on Demechelis. Arsenal will lose Vermaelen and will need cover there. Liverpool are actively looking hence the comments from Lovren. Chelsea have sold Luis and probably need cover. That's just in the top 6 in the Prem. Then you have the other clubs like Barca in Europe. Seriously, Spurs won't win bidding wars with most of these. They might be able to stir the hornets nest by bidding for a homegrown player like John Stones but other than that it will be about buying either a younger player and nurturing or finding an old head. I'm still surprised Garay went from Benfica to Zenit. I'm sure he was coming to the Prem.
muttley
11/07/2014 11:42:00
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I imagine if there's an Auctioneers Gazette, this'll be what it's like.
Airwave
11/07/2014 11:45:00
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Agree with you Mix26 on your last but one post.
Highgatespur
11/07/2014 11:46:00
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muttley, does any of the available ones play with a smile ?
Highgatespur
11/07/2014 11:49:00
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I don't like any of them!
Geofspurs
11/07/2014 11:53:00
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But I love them all!
Geofspurs
11/07/2014 11:54:00
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Hudderspur the signing of Sanchez is not lost on me. CIYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
11/07/2014 11:55:00
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It would be nice to see the reincarnation of players like Perryman, Mackay, Mabbutt, England, Roberts, Naylor, King, Hughton etc. Not all of them were the greatest talents in the world but they at least put in the hard work and effort week in and week out. We need this as much as, if not more, as we need the individual flair talent and technique of a player like Eriksen.
MAN ON!
11/07/2014 11:56:00
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someone mentioned ryan shawcross.theirs one name for a start.
tarkan mardinCOYS
11/07/2014 11:56:00
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Belgium ... It's football... and very subjective! :-)
Geofspurs
11/07/2014 11:56:00
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Why would we sell one of our better players even though he was not too professional last season and his game was not up to scratch. CD are not easy to come by and with Dawson aging, Vlad still having 'L' plates on in the PL and Kaboul injury prone I cannot see Vertonghen going unless he pushes for a move or if we get silly money for him. I would say 25+m.

I would be surprised if he goes, Poch is not going to want too many changes in his first season and it would be hard to replace him and bring in another. On the other hand if he is unhappy at Spurs then I doubt we will keep unhappy players. Problem is we really don't know what Vertonghen wants. yes he was not himself last season then again who was. Until we know his mindset I expect him to be a Spurs player.
BigSpursFan
11/07/2014 11:57:00
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i met gary mabbutt at a function a couple of years back.a true gentleman.
tarkan mardinCOYS
11/07/2014 11:58:00
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Funny how all our best players start with an ‘M’ ... Mackay, Modric, Meaves, Merbatov, Moddle, Mawson, Mose, etc.
Geofspurs
11/07/2014 12:02:00
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Hold on to him...imo he's a better CB than David Luiz...Barca want him...that should be enough to show some of the doughnuts that don't think he's good enough for us that they are wrong...but no they'll say they want endeavour then moan at Daws....
shedboy2
11/07/2014 12:02:00
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Here we go again totally disregarding the events at the club last season and taking out our frustrations on a player who the season before had been our greatest signing since whenever. Even earned the loving nickname "SuperJan". So all of a sudden he isn't good enough for Spurs. You lot make me laugh! Unfortunately not a happy laugh but a sad one. As someone said on another thread, I really hope our players don't read this site.
jvd
11/07/2014 12:03:00
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Now you point it out Geof......
MAN ON!
11/07/2014 12:04:00
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