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Seattle vs Spurs...The Report!

Well it happened, soccer returned for Spurs. Nothing too long report wise on this one, far too early to make a fair and reasoned assessment, nonetheless, a few points to discuss.

Defence at times looked shaky, once more our mistakes handing the oppo the upper hand in and around our own box. Easy to see how we finished 1st in the top 5 leagues in Europe for defensive mistakes leading to goals. Work still to be done, but early days under a new coach.

I thought Rose looked a lot more assured, could it be because he was concentrating more on his defensive duties? If so, this part he did fine, maybe next we could see a happy unison of defence and attack from Danny, heck, even a few decent crosses.

I mentioned the other day that I thought Ceballos and Falque could well break into the first team this season and feature at times, last night sees myself retain that belief. I thought both were exciting to watch, played without fear, and were more than happy to take an opponent on, exciting times ahead for these two I feel.

In fact I thought all our youngsters did well, some surprised me with their pace (Fredericks if I recall correctly), some with their trickery. What about Fryers run down the Left, I've never seen him at pace like that, he was quick. Holtby was his usual workmanlike self and did no harm putting his case forward for a starting berth in the prem, kept it flowing and looked to pass quickly. Talking of passing, how much did that pitch affect our passing game?.

Looked like our intensity had upped compared to what we witnessed at times last season, numerous times players hunting down the oppo in numbers, as a unit. We still looked short of numbers in the box at times when in attack, and I'm still trying to work out what Lennon's position was 1st half.

Anyway, as stated far too early to be negative, I'm guessing we can all name one or two who could have had a better game, I will refrain for the time being. Happy to see the youth waiting in the wings, reminding myself that the Sounders currently sit top of the pile in the MLS and we gave a good account of ourselves, and more than ever, happy that the lads are back playing, leaves me knowing only one thing. Prem football cannot be that far away on the horizon...Or is that Soccer?.†

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Date:Sunday July 20 2014

Time: 10:59AM

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Thanks for update cider. Again, sadly,as love his heart, Dawson was shown as a weak link and can not continue to be selected. early days, first pre season, half a side, but that was my only real conclusion from this match.
Windlespur
Yes, Fredericks...is one to watch. 2 pacey forward runs with a end product (2 decent crosses).Plus...speed to recover one situation at the back. The future is bright...if managed right.
82spursdebut
Cider ... Gíday mate, thanks for the Ďsoccerí report (good to see you getting in some practice for the new season!). I agree with all you said, especially regarding Ceballos and Falque who seemed just as composed as Bentaleb was in his first games last season. Itís all good at this stage.
Geofspurs
Good to see positive words for our youngsters, but I've read nothing about Ryan Mason, who I thought showed real vision at times with his work and also looked very comfortable on the ball, in a deeper role than he would probably ideally prefer
oxfordspur
I enjoyed the game although not the presentation by BT Sport. Was it just the americanisation? Just what a "friendly" should be. Main point in the game was that it showed MP how desperate we are for CB's. Also how much practice we need to control the ball on the first touch. (Maybe the artificial surface didn't help). Overall first-half defensively poor although Rose was nowhere near the worst. Passing from the back was terrible at times, mainly Dawson but all 4 at times found opponents. Holtby was immense, Capoue wasn't noticed but he cut out so much and sublime ball to Soldado in the second half. His first touch and movement then won him the penalty. Sadly I didn't realise Carroll was on the pitch in the first half or that Siggy wasn't. lol. Better defense 2nd half and so an improved performance from all the team. Good movement with "and without" the ball throughout the game along with high tempo pressing. Youngsters all acquitted themselves well, especially Ceballos and Falque when they came on. Nice to see Lamela playing in our colours again too. Entertainment for the locals and maybe converted a few more supporters from USA to our beloved team. Looking forward to the next. Posted this on the match thread too.
longtimespur
An hour of the match will be shown again on Monday on BT Sport 1 at 4.00pm GMT, and right after that from 5.00pm comes two hours of Preston North End vs Liverpool, for those who wish to see pre-season work elsewhere and specifically Liverpool minus some 'names' and perhaps with new additions too.
Airwave
Ox tbh saw Mason coming on but eager as I was I didn't hear his name being mentioned much thereafter. This could be down to the appalling commentary on btsports. Glad he did ok hope he stays fit and pushes for a spot in the 1st team!
Highgatespur
good entertaining game that showed me poch has them playing from the back up.this will take at lest a full season to implement.we could well in the meantime get some dodgy results.
tarkan mardinCOYS
this season should be a write off.with the emphasis on playing a brand new style
tarkan mardinCOYS
OX...I will take myself off to the naughty step once more. Yes you are right, I should have mentioned Ryan Mason, who again, as you rightly state came in and did very well. In my defence m'lord, I did state that I thought all our youngsters came in and did well. I suppose I should have mentioned him by name, I did offer the same courtesy to other youth players who featured last night.

On a closing note, and because we are friends, please remember that today is Sunday, I do not wish to be on this naughty step all day. I have Roast dinner football formations to take care of at some point. ;-)
Cider spurs
Was a draw a fair result? Did the Sounders look good and was it a hard fought match or just a walkabout? Was it a good test of our abilities and Pohettino's tactics?
MAN ON!
Is the Pope a Yid?
MAN ON!
I didn't see the game so really interesting to read people's views...it's a preseason so hard to gauge but it looks like MoPo is on brief with using the kids...we'll see how that develops over the next couple of seasons. Ceballos and Falque are talented players are they ready for the PL? ditto fredricks...has Poch sussed Andros? interesting times coming up...
shedboy2
Really enjoyed seeing the interchange in attack that made us much more unpredictable. Also liked seeing the pressure being put on by the nearest player to an opponent on the ball (even if it wasn't implemented quite as effectively as I'm sure it will with more practice). Holtby was very impressive and energetic and seemed to have the freedom to be wherever he wanted to be which he generally used to good effect. I was particularly impressed with Ceballos who really looked like someone who could come good. Soldado looked a bit sharper and didn't just get a penalty but rather won one. Lamela actually looked like the tricksy player we thought we were getting and I'm continually impressed by his grit considering how lightweight he looks. Not so good was the defence and the transition from defence to attack. Spent a lot of time slating Rose last season but both him and Fryers seemed to be the only reasonably composed defenders we had yesterday. Dawson was worse than awful even taking into consideration the context of the game. Kaboul was better but still not great. Capoue continues to be a disappointment with wayward tackling and being far too ponderous in possession whilst delivering a very poor quality of pass when he did get the ball away. All in all a reasonable start to preseason and I'm looking forward to seeing how that attacking play continues to improve and hoping we start to get sharper defensively over the next couple of games.
flipper
I'm hoping to see Eriksen start at 10 with Soldado up top and Lamela RWF next game. Great to see the young lads, and hopefully we'll see more, maybe even start Ceballos LW next game. All in all I was happy last night, some need to improve, but of course it is equally about getting fitness levels up and learning the "Philosophy." I certainly saw more intent regarding chasing down higher up the pitch, and to be fair, alot of the problems the Sounders caused ourselves were of our own making from the back.
Cider spurs
Thanks for the article Cider. I must say your take on the match is pretty much on the same drawer as mine. Nothing more than a runout on a plastic pitch! Thought it a pleasant surprise to see mr rose concentrate on his defensive duties. Carroll did well with such a short notice to start. Holtby Carroll and Kane should enjoy the great plaudits for the goal. Capoue and naughton well done for a positive half. Second half was a lot more pleasing to the eye... Pleased with several players .... IMO it's ridiculous to judge or claim anything for the forthcoming season based on yesterday. It was good to see the players and the management team in their rightful places though! What was the commentator on about ? siggy ? Have a good roast Sunday cider ....
Highgatespur
Sorry cider but, back to fantasy transfer gossip for a minute: Reports are saying that we're close to signing the Dutch player, Memphis Depay for £13m. I wonder...
MAN ON!
I do hope that MP saw it as more than just a run about...
MAN ON!
Shedboy2 if yesterday's game is anything to go by ... Caballos and falque along with the others needs to be decided ASAP however if the first half is anything to go by it adios time for azza and andros but the plastic pitch n all that... 2 more games .... Good to see Carroll holtby veljkovic Ryan and lamela play a significant role ! On to Toronto ... You who'll score don't you ? COTMS !!!
Highgatespur
Having missed the game last night, I have read the reports, and posts on here. Seems like players are try again, and are is starting to take on board our manager's formations, and ideas. Lamela is one i really want to see doing well.. soldado another. All the young players seem to have progressed, and the squad will allow Poch. to have a variety of options, according to the opposition we play in all competitions. Just that he has to make some tough decisions on sales and squad allocations !... COYS
Block D Spurs
Sorry some grammatically unusual typos in last post.. still a bit fuzzy head... lol
Block D Spurs
Block D it was impressive that both spurs teams showed that MRP's words are being listened to ... It'll be interesting to see if Dawson features again playing the way he did .... All the rest seem to have done ok .... Like to lamela and a few others get more time in next two games ...
Highgatespur
MAN ON .... re: that report about Depay, We had better get a move on if we want him. Chelsea appear to be losing Salah to the Egyptian army for 1 - 3 years. They'll be in for him now.
longtimespur
Block D ... you're not a "fuzzy wuzzy" are you ....lol.
longtimespur
Corporal Jones will be after you.
longtimespur
Have to agree Highgate. Azza needs to be a threat comparable to what we saw from Ceballos and Falque yesterday. It's fine all and sundry keep reminding us about his defensive side of his game, that's great. When are we going to start talking about his attacking prowess?, something that has been diminishing for what seems like an age now. Townsend I'll reserve judgement, just getting back from injuries.
Cider spurs
They don't like it up 'em do they..
longtimespur
Depay looks excellent player, would love him at Spurs!
Thats Entertainment
Surely Chelsea could just bring back one of the 50+ wingers they have out on loan LOL!. Marin still plays for Chelsea doesn't he?. Maybe we should consider him for LW berth, he tore us new one a few seasons back.
Cider spurs
Just watched some brief highlights... Great goal from Lewis and with some nice build up play. 3 cooly taken pens. I hope Soldado can score more than just pens again. ;-) Looked like pretty bad defending for all 3 Sounders goals. I look forward to Toronto..... longtime, If we are really after Depay, I presume we'd be looking to offload one of our wingers.
MAN ON!
Cider .... during his world cup punditry Townsend was saying how he's been training hard to get back to fitness because of his injury. So theoretically he should be fitter than most on the pitch for THFC. Still head down, running down dead ends and losing the ball during last nights game. Didn't see him complete a dribble, he tried a few, or have a shot let alone on target. Poor again.
longtimespur
Don't Pjanić, Captain Medunjanin!
MAN ON!
Azza the defender - hmmmm - I'd prefer that to shown elsewhere - I'm certain he's gone stale at the club Cider - we need to be 'refreshed' ... Not one of the youngsters let the team down - great to see !
Highgatespur
Don't Pjanic, Captain Medunjanin!
MAN ON!
Salah is not Chelseas first choice though.........
MAN ON!
Man On ... got it first time. I wouldn't know how to spell it. Mainwaring is close enough for me. lol.
longtimespur
LTS, Townsend poor, you're not kidding, just part of the bloated squad that needs moving on, probably hang on for dear life, sucking the finances out of the club, like Bentley and Gomes did.
Thats Entertainment
Don't tell 'em who you are longtime!
MAN ON!
LTS I did laugh when AT said that ... Fitter doesn't mean he understands the game better ! Hope he saw what I saw in the 2nd half the others are a lot more closer to the 1st team than he thought they were !
Highgatespur
TE agree with you on that !
Highgatespur
Nice to talk Spurs' actual soccer for a change even though I've not seen the match. Roll on WHU... The near-future PL champions! I'm off to clean my mouth out. Have a good one. Up the Jolly Hotspurs!
MAN ON!
What do you Perch? I mean Man On
longtimespur
Something fishy going on.
longtimespur
What needs to remembered is this period is all about Poch assessing what he has and areas that need strengthening. Townsend came in for much debate last season, only time will tell whether Poch is indeed the man who can improve players and get them playing to their maximum potential. We are not going to witness that after one pre season game.

To add balance, it was often said last season that technically Falque was very highly thought of when on loan, his downside was his inability to make the right choices in the final 3rd and get his head up. This is what I am trying to say, Townsend is quick, two footed, but his decision making all too often last season was poor, one pre season game for Falque looking the part does not equate to his arrival, he like Townsend will need to be worked on, ultimately concluding in either being valuable members of the squad when Poch has been given a few games to assess...or moved on once more.
Cider spurs
longtimespur... Has someone spiked your afternoon tea?
MAN ON!
I thought Falque looked liked he might be ready for PL football this season.
Thats Entertainment
Cider being fair that you are isn't it about time to give AT the message 'improve or some else is there' and give others a chance ?
Highgatespur
Fair point Cider. I can only call it as I see it. I haven't seen much of Falque so it's not a case of comparing one to the other by me. Just commenting on last night's game and Townsend looks the same as last season's end. Hopefully MP can straighten him out and make a footballer out of him instead of a sprinter.
longtimespur
Man On ... I thought you'd signed off sorry. No spiking here just normal me. lol
longtimespur
just watched the highlights...I don't think Brad should be beaten from that distance...the other goals we conceded it's hard to tell what happened just prior so can't comment....
shedboy2
I totally agree with the posts relating to AT and Daws. Only one game, so it needs to be remembered, however what that one game did, was remind us of their deficiencies and how there could well be better ready to step in. I do agree that AT needs to step up or be moved on, but I do wish to give Poch the chance to assess the squad properly before making judgement. As for Daws, I'm not sure about this 4th CB role for him. Alot for me depends on whether we retain Kaboul. Trust me, I'll be more critical as the pre season evolves, but at present, alot is about fitness and learning, I'll be keeping a beady eye to see if indeed some are learning and improving. At present, clean slate...Enjoy it whilst it lasts! ;-)
Cider spurs
Shed, their 2nd, beat our offside trap, hope that aint signs of things to come!!
Thats Entertainment
Not the priority, but Vorm will be a great squad addition for us - peterball will also be happy which is good :)
Windlespur
Cider the slate is less clean than this time yesterday? It's sad to see ayers coming into the game as if no work has been done or no advice has been listened to nor any self reflection made - sad but true ...
Highgatespur
TE.. that's right. Factor in though that it was a back four that hadn't played together before. The back four line just wasn't that (a line). One defender on our left was hanging deep and played their left side player onside. Simple error to rectify. Trouble followed when our left side defenders didn't track the runner.
longtimespur
Bit of ITK out there stating Rose is not a happy Bunny and if the right offer comes in he will be off. This after it seems we have completed a deal for Davies, with him expected to be announced today or tomorrow. Siggy it appears going the other way, but separate deal so maybe announced in a day or two.

It is said immediate expectations have been lowered, but 4th still the target. Long term expectations are high. Courtesy Grey Fox...SC...Today.
Cider spurs
Cider oh my that's a surprise from Mr Rose the self anointed best LB in the world of football... Can I please offer my services to hold the door open to hold the door open...
Highgatespur
So, If it all goes sour for Poch in his first 5 months, will we see Ugo Ehiogu in as caretaker coach, come January?
MAN ON!
Hmm, a pre-season assessment....!

Ox did fine with the pre-match article. Cider seems to have stopped paying attention, forgetting some players and constantly being distracted by the Sunday Roast! Both could do better, so 7/10 and 5/10 respectively for their return to the season!!.

Regarding the match last night, rather than Poch assessing the squad, imo, it was primarily assessing the 'kids', all of whom IMO did themselves proud, so much so that the likes of Lennon, Townsend and Dawson were put to shame. The three senior players mentioned above best watch out .....or they are out!!. Regarding the Poch way (philosophy) I like the concept, attack at speed, defend by closing down at speed. His style demands more than just 'keep it simple' and seeing how some of the 'kids' adapted, I am beginning to wonder why Bentelab got looked ahead of the others!!. It will be very interesting to see how the WC returnees will fit in. I am mostly excited by what I saw y'day. Poch has his work cut out to sort the wheat from the chaff.
Critical_Spur
Let's not start the whole Fascist dictator stuff all over again....... Grandad, Grandad, you're lovely.........
MAN ON!
Thanks Highgate... i will see the highligts of goals soon.... Longtime ... now clearing the fuzzyness, water is a great healer for fuzzy heads after the night before.. !
Block D Spurs
Hair of the dog's even better.....
MAN ON!
Positive thinking.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/9388255/tottenham-boss-mauricio-pochettino-targets-premier-league-title-success
Critical_Spur
Critical, I agree with your observations - yup I think the youngsters knew more of what's expected no matter what the match , liked lamelas input as well. There were at least two ahead of Nabil it was claimed at the time....
Highgatespur
Good article Cider as usual mate. I really enjoyed watching the youngsters playing with skill and pace. Holtby was excellent and proved again he is a talent worth keeping. Lamella, Cellabos and Falque showed technique and the ability to go past players. Kane again has shown he could be an important for us. Rose was steady and I'm pleased for him. I gave him some stick last season but maybe the Ben Davies deal has given him the kick up the backside. Soldado was brilliant in creating the penalty. Deft flick, pace and a bit if strength. How cool did he take that penalty? Dawson looked a bit shaky with his distribution but so was a certain Mr Adams. Mabe too late to learn but if Adams can pass surely Dawson can? He had a poor game for Spurs but I'll judge him at the start of the season. It's unfair to judge with one competitive game played but I'm losing faith in him. He's been a good player for us but he will be seen as the weakest link at the back. A new footballing CB will be needed if we are to play from the back. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Highgate, I hope and pray that I am proved wrong regards Townsend. But I seriously wonder if his solitary claim to fame will the he was Man of the match for England ONCE! Hope Poch coaches him well to bring out the best for all concerned. IMO AT is trying too hard and too selfishly.
Critical_Spur
a nice touch for the lad at the start of the match....Kaboul looked pretty strong sorting out the melee at the end...although we scored 3...2 were Pens, hope we're not going down that route again...;)
shedboy2
Shedboy2 if we score 60 penalties this season I'll be very happy.
longtimespur
Critical - AT is consistently showing that he doesn't how to learn almost like that England game was his pinnacle ... Hope not but looking that way really hope not ...really liked the interchanging in the second half. Would dearly love to play 3 at the back successfully .... Encouraged by lamela's performance.
Highgatespur
CB's need sorting - Kaboul injury prone, Dawson showed us he seems to be getting worse, lost his composure. Townsend, may be lack of fitness and coming back from injury but he is nowhere near a starter. Lennon was woeful, what is happening with him. Capoue didn't show us anything special. Rose if he is unhappy re Davies coming, if true, then he can go. He did ok yesterday but his problem is his attitude, thinking he is better than he is. If he believes he is that good then why be concerned about competition. Last season he was average at best, he should have competition, he hasn't done enough to warrant being first choice for a club of our stature.

The youngsters were better than the senior players. IMO if Townsend, Lennon, Capoue, Dawson, Kaboul don't step up in the next pre seasons game they should not be first choice any more. Well done Holtby, Lamela will come good if he works hard and can adjust to the physicality of the PL.
BigSpursFan
Shedboy2 remember when we couldn't put our penalties away to save our lives... Yes I would like soldado to score goals from open play but would like him to continue the scoring of the penalties as well...
Highgatespur
I think three at back with two wing backs could work. Lloris Vlad Dawson/Kaboul/? Vertonghen Walker ? Sandro Lamela Eriksen/Holtby Townsend/? Ade/Soldado/Kane/?
BigSpursFan
I watched the game and was also impressed by some of the youngsters. Not so sure about our defence though. Hopefully it will be better come hammertime. Most impressive player was Holtby, but we all know he is capable all over the midfield. Is that his real problem? We have two ball playing cb's, if Kaboul can recapture some pre-injury form we will have three. Dawson I think is too limited for Pochs' style, but is by far our best set-play defender. Should we swap him for Ashley Williams, who imho is the most underrated cb in the league? Townsend was also poor when running with the ball, but I think the pitch was partly to blame. He is no longer looking over his shoulder at Falque and Cabellos as they have shown they are as ready as he is. Lennon really needs to do more. He gets completely lost if he is moved away from the right wing and for that reason alone will be shifted on. I can see Lamela , Ericsson and another playing right across the mid behind a striker. Chadli, holtby, Siggy, Townsend and Lennon are pole for that spot but I think Poch has his own idea and they are not it.
pokerfaced
Trouble is I've seen brilliant pre seasons followed by terrible starts in the league and vice versa. These days I just ignore the friendlies and wait for the league games to start.
jod
What I saw yesterday, plenty of passing. Quick and sharp. 100% ? No but its a start. Players seemed to know where the teammates are on the pitch better. Players are also chasing after the ball when they lose possession immediately.
Arky
Just nice to see our boys playing again. Roll on Wednesday. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Aaron Lennon please leave

Dawson,Rose,Townsend,Fryers,Naughton clearly not good enough,you either have it or you don`t,do we really need to see any more to decide that?

I hope Friedel was in goal for football politics,playing in the United states of assholes & all that.Because a second goalkeeper he is not & i don`t see any point to him except for a strain on resources that the fans will have to pay for,surely now he is obsolete.

Like to see more of Lamela,Falque & my MOM went to ceballos,like to see him get a run to see more,pleasantly surprised.Same with kane who could be a surprise hit,i never thought he`d make it but i hope he proves me wrong.

Tom Carroll is a championship footballer,he`s a very,very poor mans Modric who just doesn`t have it in his locker.
Fanny adams
ceballos was ok nothing special hopfully this can put him on the market for a nice price sale, looking forward to see how poch uses lennon very excited about this unlike under AVB, he will come good for us.
123spurs
jod, I don't think anyone is naÔve here or at THFC to use friendlies as the gauge for PL. Apart from the obvious fitness and 'philosophy' development, most views presented in the forum are imo, very forgiving in light of what the pre-season is all about. The obvious interest at this stage is to observe the Poch 'philosophy' being introduced and there are good signs of it and I certainly like a lot of what I saw. However, the fine-tuning does not start until the WC returnees are integrated in to the squad. The last pre-season at home should be the real basis to build upon. However, it is fair criticism of some players wrt 'continuation' of 'same problems' of past season(s). These issues stand out like a sore thumb and I am sure Poch recognises it. Hope he is given time to develop players and January will be the best time to take stock. I hope Rose can be the role model to show the likes of Townsend that under a different coaching structure improvements are possible. Steep learning curve and all that, we are a mere month away from the serious stuff! COYS!
Critical_Spur
I think personally we will end up looking something like the below: Lloris
Rose, Vertonghen, Chiriches, Walker
Townsend, Erikson, Paulinho, Dembele, Lamela
Adebayor

It sounds like Davies is pretty much a done deal so that's Rose displaced, but perhaps a CB LM and ST is still needed? Wondering on the likelihood of signing bellman, Depay and Destro...
RyanHotSpur
Playing on a plastic pitch, proved one thing Dawson and Rose are shi7e on both, sell both of them, Lennon can hardly use his left foot and the right has goals or assists in it, Sirbyus did more in 5mins then Lennon did in 45, which goes back to the time we played young boys on the plastic in switzerland, Lennon came back from training on it and told Harry ''I can't play on that'' Townsend has 10 to 12m on him sell him as well, Dawson, Rose Lennon Townsend will never get any better. I hope we get Davies by tuesday, Schneiderlin would be ideal, Depay, what happend to kopanoko what ever his name is, good to see Lamela playing he has a lot about him and will be a success for us. Holtby and the kids did very well, great technical ability. But it's our senior ones who need outing.
spu 4 life
Dawson. Lennon, Rose, Townsend are 4 of our "homegrown" contingent. Davies coming in is one back but it all means we have a squad of 22 for next season if they are all sold and we have no other incoming players.
longtimespur
spu4...Nice to see you pop in with a post. ;-) Schneiderlin would IMO be a great signing for us. Rumours out there now surfacing that he has stated his preference is for Spurs as opposed to Arsenal. Get's my vote already on that alone. If any one player was the one who I would want from Southampton He would be my first choice, funnily enough, backed up by Rodriguez as second.
Cider spurs
I see 6 players from Shakhtar Donetsk stayed on in France after a pre season with Lille. All refusing to fly back to the Ukraine. Fred the Brazilian almost a striker is one of them. I wonder if Bernard is another. Well, we have been linked before. ;-)
Cider spurs
Biggest problems is defence. With the likes of Paulinho (i don't rate though) sandro, Siggy and chadli all missing yesterday we still have options but what are our options for defence. The absentee was vertonghen who will slot in but if he is injured who replaces him? Fryers? and then there is Vlad who is right sided CB who I just don't think can be a starter with Vertonghen. We need a fit good quality CB to be a starter with Vertonghen and imo another CB to pair with Vlad as second choice which would mean a left sided CB, with Vlad being right sided. Neither Dawson or Kaboul are left sided so imo we need two CB's, a starter right side to play with vertonghen and a back up left side to play with Vlad. If we can have the luxuary of a fifth CB then either Dawson or Kaboul, that decision has to go on Kaboul's fitness and ability to stay fit. No point keeping him and selling Dawson if he cannot stay fit, we will be back to four CB's and an injured one. If Kaboul can stay fit then may be he should stay as I think he probably do better than Dawson, although I hate to say that as Dawson has been committed to us and is a nice bloke. However, if Kaboul fitness is a concern then he has to go and Dawson can stay as fifth CB.

I would look at Fredericks and decide whether he can step up for Walker or whether Naughton has to be back up. We cannot make too many changes. IF Davies is coming then up to Rose as to whether he fights for his place, if not then we look at whether Fryers is ready to back Davies up.

We need to get Vertonghen back and committed, assess Kabouls fitness, and seriously decided on full backs over the next weeks and get the CB sorted asap.
BigSpursFan
Any CBs on the horizon ?
Highgatespur
I don't see Soldado Kane and Ade being enough at top either so we need to either bring in a PL striker and sell one of those or make sure we are going to get enough goals from midfield.

I am not sure we have personnel to play a 4 3 3 with our strikers. I would suggest a 4 2 3 1 with the 3 being Lamela and Eriksen and one more which I can honestly say I am not sure who. It seemed to me Lamela like to be central so may be Eriksen will play on the left of that 3 but if Lamela can play left or right of that 3 then I am not sure who would play with him and Eriksen (playing behind the striker) as Townsend hasn't done enough, lennon isn't that type of player, Chadli hasn't done enough and Paulinho, is that type of player and I am not sure Holtby is the one either or Siggy. I think Holtby plays better slightly deeper. May be in the 2 with Sandro or Capoue although Capoue didn't do enough for me yesterday.

I just don't think the squad is balanced and we still have Chadli, Paulinho, Dembele, Siggy to fit in and any youngster who impresses, Benteleb and so forth. Poch has a lot of sorting out imo.
BigSpursFan
BSF, funny in your analysis you make no reference to the centre-backs positions - whereas I'd say that is the critical position atm! Strange huh ?
Highgatespur
Highgate...There is talk from Koeman. He has said that whilst he does not want Lovren to leave, a top dollar deal, he will not stand in his way. Are we going to spend top dollar?. It appears both Siggy and Davies were valued at £10 million, deal done by all accounts both swapping sides. Vorm it appears ic coming in for £5 million, good bit of business I feel.
Cider spurs
Big apologies BSF just seen your post re CBs - by some quirk it wasn't there when I posted my comments ... Apologies !!
Highgatespur
Cider, Alderweireld ?
Highgatespur
Highgate...A concrete link to a CB would be a good starting point. I know Levy gets us top dollar when selling, something we admire, but his brinkmanship when buying at times is IMO detrimental to the club. Targets lost and more often than not key additions joining after season starts. So frustrating.
Cider spurs
Of course, it may just be that our CB target has been identified and talks are arranged?. Hope so!.
Cider spurs
Cider, you read my mind !! It hit me yesterday about the lack of depth we have there - perhaps caulker ? Got high hopes for veljkovic though!
Highgatespur
Cider that's always my first line of thinking .... Not many of our so called targets have signed for others yet ...
Highgatespur
So Ben Davies having a medical at Spurs & we kill 3 birds with one stone.

Davies IN,Siggy out & no more of the useless Rose at left back.
Spurs being shrewed ? hope this is the start of things to come.Spending money is easy.spending it wisely is not,deals like this are the way forward for Spurs.

Work smart not hard is the only way Spurs can get top 4.
Dawson works hard but not smart & it`s got Spurs nowhere,this mentality has to change.The best players are not the best just because of their talent,it`s their decision making at the right times that gets you where you want to be.

Arron lennon & Andros Townsend would be good players if they learnt how to cross & shoot,& make the right pass.Get players in who have this ability or potential to achieve this already.
Some birds just can`t be taught to fly & you either have it or you don`t.Most players just need a little oiling & a little tweeking.Players like Lennon & Dawson there is nothing you can do to make them better players when their decision making is so poor.It`s something you have or do not.
Fanny adams
Was out last night so just now watched the recording. I think the main thing is that Poch got a lot out of it. He could see the faults at the back but also the array of talent he has in attacking midfield. Importantly, he has a lot of players that will be OK with his football philosophy albeit he will need to make some tough choices with the 25 picks.
muttley
That's the thing. many can state that Rose, Naughton, Siggy, Townsend, Lennon and Dawson are not of the standard required, but they are homegrown. No chance can we upgrade with replacement homegrown in one hit. That's part of the problem we face IMO. Far too many homegrowns have been retained who are not of the standard required, we've kind of worked ourselves into a corner.

Sorry, but the likes of Daws and Lennon IMO should have gone at least a season ago. The younger one's of course have age to an extent on their side, but I do think we need to be a little more ruthless with the cull in the future. At present our homegrown represents nothing more than average or potential, we need to work out how to improve this.
Cider spurs
We have a great mix of youth... we just need those 3-4 players with character and experience to push them along.
Yidmarks
Cider - I think it depends whether Poch can fully assess Fredericks and Fryers in the full back positions before considering letting Naughton and Rose go. That's assuming that we have Walker and new signing Davies at the club. Ceballos is almost certainly homegrown and can perhaps force his way in. I'm not sure Carroll and Mason will ultimately make it though.It wouldn't surprise me if 4 of that list went by August.
muttley
muttley...Being brutally honest. I would not be surprised to see 4 of them go, I think some have not kicked on, some are in decline. Add to this the little glimpse of what might be regarding some of the youth...Maybe time to move on?.
Cider spurs
i havnt seen anything in fryers that justified the mass hysteria when manure lost him.
tarkan mardinCOYS
Good to see Ceballos, Falque, Fryers and Fredericks get some action, these games are perfect for the youngsters to impress. Carrol we have seen a bit of already, tidy player, likes to move the ball forward quickly, is he ready/good enough for first team football? Lamela is quality he just needs reassurance from his coach to lift the weight off his shoulders, having a fellow countryman in charge should go a long way. I just love Holtby's energy and enthusiasm, need to find the best role for him, personally I like him playing deeper.

Defence is a major issue, you would think that having a coach who was an Argentinian international defender will be the right man to quickly sort it out but his record doesn't bode well, Southampton lost the most points from a winning position, including both games against us. Mauricio get working on it starting with getting Levy to splash out on a LB and CB and possibly shift Walker and get a decent RB too. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
Sky SPorts..

Liverpool's interest in Belgium winger Zakaria Bakkali has been reported already this summer, but now reports in Holland claim that the Reds have firmed up their interest in the 18-year-old - only to discover that PSV Eindhoven have already agreed terms for Bakkali's transfer with another club.


Please let it be us... pleeeease!!
Yidmarks
italian-if we want a a manager who will start from the back than i think we have got the wrong sort of manager.as peterballb once said theirs nothing in his cv that says defense is his priority
tarkan mardinCOYS
Fredericks was fast last night.... i saw that Cider...

Like i said before Ceballos is a gem.. Falque played well.
Yidmarks
Nice to see you're posting again ... agree with about the youngsters - hoping that some CBs are already in our sights....
Highgatespur
tarkan, I stated on here that Liverpool would not win the title when leading 'cause the had the weakest defence out of the three contenders. All about priorities, style or winning, winning in style very seldom achieved even with no expense spared.
ItalianYiddo
Yidmarks...Have to agree, Ceballos and Falque stood out for me, but as stated, the turn of foot from a few others was a welcome surprise. I think with a firing Ade and or good service to Soldado, maybe just maybe a LWF aside, I think we really are blessed with creativity in the final 3rd, just needs coaching out a little more.
Cider spurs
liverpool can afford to play this style because theirs tons of goals in the team,i dont think we can
tarkan mardinCOYS
Hi Highgate, looking forward to the new season at WHL. Really hope we, the crowd, really get behind the team from the off.
ItalianYiddo
As for Bakkali. Great potential, last rumour I read was we were interested at circa £6 million, Liverpool were prepared to match the circa £8 million PSV wanted. We've now also got to consider the LVG and Koeman Dutch connections.
Cider spurs
We have to wait and see tarkan, their attack has lost most of his bite.
ItalianYiddo
But of course...We trump them all with our Belgium connection.
Cider spurs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJTZb6z3-Xc This fella has *****e loads of skill...
Yidmarks
Yid...I checked him out the other day. His dribbling scares the life outta defenders, and looking at his stats, many allude to the fact that he is a very good passer of the ball. Also registered something like a dozen or so assists last season.

Would you see him come in and play from the off, cup matches or loan out for a season?. Personally I think this is one that if we signed we should give prem gametime this season, maybe wrong what with age, but like you, I see this kid as the mutts nuts and is more than capable of doing a job IMO.
Cider spurs
But Cider it could easily be another Adel Taarabt also.
Arky
And quite rightly also, MP could turn him into a proper team player. Nothing ventured, nothing gained I suppose. COYS.
Arky
Arky...That's the beauty of the transfer window. Could also be another Gareth Bale. ;-)
Cider spurs
Now that boy is electric. Sob. Sob. Sob.
Arky
If we can't buy them, we will just make them ourselves. COYS
Arky
Been waving the Ceballos flag for a couple of years now and not surprised he did well. People take note that these last few months I've been touting young McEvoy - nuff said!
Slurms McKenzie
How is Borini worth 14 million pounds!? Remy had a release clause of only 8.5 million!? Looverns is alledgedly worth 20 million but caulker is up for grabs at 8 million!? Shaw is worth 25 million but we look to have gotten Davies for less then 10!? This transfer window is the weirdest yet I give up second guessing the market!
Slurms McKenzie
Cider, I'd just keep it temperate on these recent rumours re Bekkali... rumours persist we've signed Vorm - readying for Lloris' exit next summer ?
Highgatespur
My new potatoes, carrots, salad onions and runner beans are all home grown, but I would not put them in the squad, the runners beans are quicker then Dawson and the new spuds make a good left back, just behind the lamb chops.....so maybe
spu 4 life
IY, I think the initial mood of the WHL crowd will largely depend on the window and the result of the whamboyz game... as ever forever in hope ... get buying a CB!
Highgatespur
Slurms, it has taken you this long ??
Highgatespur
Yep, big, big game against the spammers, a 4th loss on the trot is unthinkable.
ItalianYiddo
IY, does it make you wonder in that split second, why is a club buying players who have yet to experience a PL title let alone a CL campaign to bolster their CL campaign or to aim for 8th place in PL ? To the untrained it doesn't seem to make sense ....
Highgatespur
I am glad we are going for a more structured approach and buying payers for positions where we are weak rather than last seasons just buy everyone we can get. Those players however will have to come good if we have an real aspiration of competing i.e. we need Soldado, Lamela and Eriksen playing to the level expected. No two ways about it, if they don't do it it'll be another dead season.
T.H.F.Chris
I think that if we can get good money for Townsend now, we should cash in whilst his standing is still quite high. A risk as he has pace, but no end delivery time and time again.
Windlespur
Guys- Am off to Toronto from my home in New Hampshire NEUS) to see the game on Wed!!..First 'live' Spurs match for me in 48 years!!...Haven't seen Dublin Hotspur on here today, but if you're reading this: I'm off to stay with my Terenure bud (Liverpool spy!), bringing the kids and looking forward to a great time......though the Xander Bailey Make A Wish beginning to yesterdays game was total class, and had me thinking of your family....will check in when I get back ...COYS!
Brown-Baker-Henry
BBH have a great time watching the game. Happy for you fella. Just don't leave it for so long next time round :) COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
slurm +1 welcome to crazyfootball, and how much did Kross cost?
123spurs
Ta, James!
Brown-Baker-Henry
Hope 'Mini Bale' gets a run-out...
Brown-Baker-Henry
Great to hear from you BBH - see you are acting like a true spurs man ! Enjoy the game - bet Defoe will score !! Enjoy the game - hope you get to see the whole squad !!! COTMS!!!
Highgatespur
Is McEvoy in the squad? COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
James, don't think so
Highgatespur
we seem to be a soft touch, time to get nasty an ruthless....enough is enough now.
123spurs
What makes you say that 123?
Highgatespur
where do i start, its so obvious, lets say im spurs4 ever and im so glad i aint living in north london, every year we fail, fail to fin above our rivals, wenger V how many managers?, arsenal are at there worst for last 8+ years and we still struggle. time for THFC to wake up and make a statment once an for all.
123spurs
HGS probably the three goals we shipped and their new signing went through our defence like a hot knife through butter! 123 is right we need to toughen up at the back. 123 wants Shawcross and who are we to argue.
Slurms McKenzie
BBH give your emerald exile buddy a big Cead Mile Failte from all the Spurs fans back in the auld sod keeping the home fires burning and enjoy the game sir.
Slurms McKenzie
shawcross = yes, spurs seem to be a stepping stone, a london (location for players) time is up now.
123spurs
we need to mean buiness not a luxury
123spurs
We all know there is a need to tighten the defence with a LB and CB. If we get these two positions in it will effectively give us two CBs because Verts would revert to his preferred position. We already have strikers, young and old, that we can travel with for a while. The crux of the team working, imo, is Eriksen. He is our main player to link the defence with the forwards and dictate the game in midfield. Can he do it well enough ... Iím not sure, but I think the potential is there. Unfortunately, any of our creative midfielders will be compared with Modric for a while (and you all know what I think about him) because that is exactly what is missing in midfield. So, I think we should fix the back four in this window and wait and see how the midfield work until January (thereís a lot for MP to sort out there). Then we can fix the midfield if it needs it. I still think the strikers are the least of our worries until the aforementioned is attended to. Progress step-by-step, consolidate, and build a competitive and sustainable team for the future.
Geofspurs
Fanny-you made some good points. I love Lennon and Dawson but now I am beginning to see that they as well as Townsend and Rose are not good enough with the demands of the modern game at the level we want to achieve.

Dawson is too slow now and the old fashioned CB is becoming a rare thing these days especially at clubs aiming for CL. CB's have to be able to pass and work the ball out and have some pace, unfortunately Dawson doesn't have these attributes.

Lennon and Townsend have pace which is necessary but these days you need more. You either need to be able to cross a ball, score or create if your on the wings or play in a front line these days, Townsend and Lennon lack all these most of the time. Townsend doesn't even get into the box, it is as if he is scared to. When he plays right he doesn't come in to the box when the ball comes over from the left, to try and get on the end of it. Same if he plays left, he doesn't go into the box when the ball comes in from the right. His shooting is poor, his defensive duties are poor and although he can cross he doesn't co it enough and he doesn't create.

Lennon will get into the box more when the ball is coming from opposite side but when he does he doesn't shoot and if he does it is usually weak. He doesn't cross enough and he doesn't score enough. They are not doing enough for a club of our stature.

When you see players like Sterling, Barkley you see just how weak Lennon and Townsend are and how far behind they are becoming. Unless Poch can improve them they are not going to be good enough.

Soldado can score when he is in the box, but again in the PL these days a striker needs to be able to give more than that. They have to be able to contribute more, I am not sure Soldado can. Full backs need pace, they also need to be able to defend and cross a ball. Walker and Rose fall short in some areas, but Walker is better of the two and I think he will be fine but I just don't think Rose is good enough, not fit enough imo.

The game is calling for players to be fit, and have something that they do well or be good at several things. Take Modric, he didn't score a lot but he was damn good at linking the play, retaining the ball and starting our forward moves from deep. Bale wasn't fantastic at tackling or defending but he was great at scoring and free kicks and counter attacking. These players dictate and change games, a lot of our players don't and have not being doing enough for some time.

I am hoping Poch can finally sort out who will improve and contribute more and let those who can't go. I mean if Lennon doesn't improve his crossing and shooting and Townsend doesn't improve his shooting and all round play what use are they. May as well give the youngsters time on the pitch to develop. Townsend, Rose, lennon they have been around for so long now its time they either delivered or went to a club that fits their ability.
BigSpursFan
Every time I google tottenham the headlines say we are close to signing davies, but nothing concrete. It seems to be going on forever. There doesn't seem to be much info about transfers in or out. I would have thought Poch would have been interested in Caulker although if the rumour that he left because he upset someone is true there may be no way back, but then again if that was true then why would there be a clause in the contract that we get first refusal, may be there wasn't even a clause. ot saying Caulker is top notch but he was up and coming and young enough to embrace Poch style, for the amount of 8m I think that would have been of interest to Poch and Levy.

Any way looking forward to next pre season game, hope we see eriksen play with Lamela.
BigSpursFan
Did I see Dawson wearing the captains armband? Strange when you consider Poch apparently want's to offload him? Try to sell a player, he refuses to go, and then you make him team captain? Dawson has not been good enough for a series of coaches, (AVB wanted him out too) but he stays at Spurs season after season and is team captain? Levy has sat down with Dawson and given him 3 contracts that span nine seasons and many coaches... Old man in goal wearing a vomit move jersey, and a calamity as captain! It's the Daniel LOSER Levy way...
Pele10
geaof- modric has gone! do we need a deep lying playmaker? if so why sell Thud who was good enough to drag a poor team to a semi final last year? imo we've changed the way we play and we need more from the flanks...we can't just have head down runners who lose the ball...Chadli and Lamela have a year under their belts now so hopefully they'll come good...Lennon looks like he's degrading but is better 442 on the right anyway and Townsend imo has never been good enough...perhaps a kid will break through but a player like Konoplyanka would give us options right across the top....a LB as you say is like getting another CB and we have 4 of those, 3 of which are ball players already! I would also like to see a striker option as I can't see the ones we can travel with?...two snr strikers, the youngest is 29 both play different games and a kid trying to breakthrough! It won't be enough for a season in 4 comps especially if we need to put two up (352) and if we limp through this year we'll have double the problem next year! so get a LB, ST and LW in....
shedboy2
Good to see some young skill boys in midfield getting an opportunity! Hopefully we will see them in action in the team next season, that they are not simply being showcased for loan moves or sells, as seems to happen every season with our young talent???
Pele10
Davies deal is done.

Not too sure how much truth the Vorm / Bony deals have. Spurs staff spotted at Swansea (for Davies deal) and all of a sudden we're linked with their best players, easy money for an article.

Memphis Depay, another player Spurs need. Huge improvement on Townsend and Chadli, but interest from Manchester Utd should see us off.

Mattio Destro rumours are gathering pace. I like the player but it smells of Leandro Damiao all over again. We was linked with this player last season but could the new strike force arrivals at Roma have changed anything? L

Will Southampton let go of yet another integral part of their first team this window with Schniederlin. I can't see them offering a fair price, and it would seem after last seasons spending Tottenham will only be interested in a bargain.

Last but not least, Hadjuk Split's Nikola Vlasic could be that young playmaker we all miss. Sounds like a Spurs sort of transfer to me!
RyanHotSpur
shedboy2, Thud went beyond a semi final, he guided his team mates to the FA Cup final! So sad he never achieved this at Spurs! No Tottenham player has since 1991, which spans the entire Sugar/ENIC period... Forgive us dear lord, if 'Big Joe' and 'Your Fired' have sinned...
Pele10
May upset a few, but I would not be object to losing Sandro and trying to get Schneiderlin on board. The Vorm link might well have legs, Swansea signing Fabianski who is expected to be 1st choice GK, we have the Europa to navigate as well as the usual domestic cups, so plenty of games he could feature.

Add to this that Lloris' new contract may well have a Champions League qualification timescale clause inserted, and it makes sense to have another maybe in a seasons time who is able to step up to 1st choice albeit whilst we maybe look for a replacement. All second guessing of course, but part of me feels that it seems more likely than not.
Cider spurs
Destro...Not for me. Far too similar to Soldado in style of play.
Cider spurs
We need characters like Sandro in our team, team spirit is as important as ability, we should do everything we can to keep him. Destro flatters to deceive, no. COYS
ItalianYiddo
IY...Have you seen much of Destro?. To be fair, I have only seen the odd game and the usual youtube highlights. I don't see him anywhere near worth the 25 million euros mooted.
Cider spurs
shedboy .. I donít know why we sold Thud, but surely you can see that the ĎModricí type player to link the backline with the attack is missing? And in my opinion we need a player of similar skills in midfield to do that job.
Geofspurs
Cider, Destro doesn't excite me too hit and miss. Having said that he did hit a player last season and got a four match ban...he didn't miss that one!
ItalianYiddo
i dont like this continous linkage with as roma.franco baldini should have links worldwide but seems to go back to as roma far too often.
tarkan mardinCOYS
the only guys we should be looking to nab from as roma are mehdi benatia(who will cost a bomb)or pjanic.
tarkan mardinCOYS
I'm still of the thinking Bony is ours if we want him. Drogba supposedly back to Chelsea for a season with a view to coaching thereafter, Liverpool have Lambert and Origi is expected soon, Arsenal have Sanchez to aid Podolski and Giroud, Everton are meant to be leading the race for Lukaku. Man Utd, not seen any links whatsoever.

Would we be happy with Bony, AFCON to consider, what about the old first season syndrome?, do we see him reproducing last seasons form?. You know me...I do ♥ a good gossip!.
Cider spurs
clivedunn ... absolutely, mate!
Geofspurs
Decent report. Carroll was passing the ball well as always, Lamela looked lively and Holtby is going from strength to strength the more he plays. Dawson and Fryers looked like they are lacking sharpness which can be understandable but need to pick up the fitness race or they will get limited games. Rose didnít play too badly but can do better. Nice game to get started with and Seattle werenít exactly poor. As for the pitch, you do adjust quickly enough but obviously grass is best. Our passing was the stand out part of our game imo if that helps and that will improve until Poch has the team playing the way he wants. We should have won even if it was the first of many. Onwards and upwards. COYS.
SpursOne2
Thereís a good article about John White on the official THFC site (50 years since his death). Also some nice comments from Cliff Jones about John and the ĎDoubleí team. Cliff describes Mackay, Blanchflower and White as the mainstays of that great team ... he should add himself to that! John White had a similar role to Modric but, of course, was not alone in a team of brilliant players.
Geofspurs
Reports coming out that we have agreed a £5m deal with Swansea for Vorm, not a bad deal if the net spend is around £7m and we get Davies and Vorm with Siggy going to them.
Kong
Hi everyone,with us all wondering what players are coming and going,i was reading an article on The World Game website regarding our manager Poch and the squad. He mentioned that the squad is large and talented and there would be minimal changes(didnt mention any names) His priority was to get the squad to play to his philosophy that he would implement.
TigerSpur
A fair write up Cider, thanks. Loved Holtby, he was all over the park and showed he is up for the fight. Playing on the RW was an interesting one and I can't commend him enough. I too could see where on earth Lennon was supposed to feature either. The pitch had a big part to play and it was actually the unfair advantage SS had on us. Anybody who has played on these pitches will tell u how frustrating they are with the ball at foot. Capoue I thought was actually frustratingly poor. He was trying far too hard and made simple passes look tough. I made a point of Dawson costing us matches and once again the point has been proven, we cannot start the season with him and not even a bench role imo. He is defensive suicide full stop. Excellent from the young players! I look forward to seeing more of them, especially Ceballos!
Mix26
Liverpool were interested in both Davies and Vorm, it goes to show that THFC still have massive pulling power if the deal goes through. Pool themselves look to have pinched Remy off of the gooners and we are nicking players from under their noses. Canít see the goons signing another forward so maybe if pool have their man sooner rather than later we can make some quicker moves. As long as Poch is happy! COYS.
SpursOne2
Sorry to disagree with some of you re Modric and the need for a play maker. Give Poch a chance! He may have a system that does not necessitate modric-esq requirement. What I saw on Saturday give me confidence. The fast crisp movement, the players seemingly wanting to speed things up. Some of the passes went astray, but there was enough trickery and evidence to suggest that they could master it. Based on the players at our disposal, I think Poch's way is the way to go. We need to move on from the mourning of Modric and develop our squad based on the player here and NOT those that could've been! If we get our defence right, imo, the midfield can focus on their forward play. COYS!
Critical_Spur
Reports that Hull have lodged a bid of 6 million for Rose. Not sure how to feel about this one, we sign Davies and then let Rose go we go back to being under staffed at Left back unless Fryers willbe able to step up this season. Surely the lack of competition did for Rose last season?
Slurms McKenzie
Well said Critical, this is our second season without Bale and third without Modric, time to let it go chaps. We have to evolve and change anyway. You can't keep fielding the same team year in year out and expect to keep getting the results. Plenty of options in the squad for the attacking midfielder in erisken, Cabellos, Lamela, Holtby, Chadli. with a proper function LW who stays wide offering options and a threat our Central midfielders will have more freedom to improsed their will on games. Our weak left flank compromised so much of our squad last season!
Slurms McKenzie
Re rose and based on the forst half of Pochettino's first game in charge he seemed to have curbed his attacking enthusiasm and showed signs that working with Poch had helped him improve his game even in those few short weeks. a decent LB as back up or competition could be in the making there but his Ego may stop that happening.
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms McKenzie.. The dilemma there is that it's been said that Davies prefers Spurs to Liverpool, given the choice, because he will be used as the first choice left-back and Rose will not want to be his back-up. (Not the case at the Pool). This would seem to be a reasonable scenario and to be true.
MAN ON!
Man On I know the resonign by the players but from our clubs prespective loosing our LB as a new one comes in moves us no further down the line to solving our problems with the squad. Plus as stated previously re Vorm we will cetainly have enough games to provide 15 to twenty games for our back up players any way.
Slurms McKenzie
I still believe that Rose has the makings of a good full-back and can only see Davies coming in if Rose leaves. There really isn't much of a difference between them as far as talent is concerned, albeit that they have different qualities to each other, for and against them. Ben does have youth on his side although Danny is not exactly a veteran himself.
MAN ON!
Slurms McKenzie. I agree, hence the dilemma....
MAN ON!
If Rose and Davies are both willing to fight for it then we will have a good and improved situation.....
MAN ON!
if liverpool had really wanted to get ben davies i suspect they would have got him but nonetheless happy with the signing.the bit about worm is making me brick myself a bit.i know lloris has signed a new contract.surely not?
tarkan mardinCOYS
I personally think we need BOTH Rose and Davies and may be Benny will be kept on as a backup. There will be enough games to go round to ensure everyone is kept involved. If Rose has an attitude about being no.1 then he can do one or fall in line with Poch's philosophy. Simple! COYS!
Critical_Spur
schneirderlin is back on the radar.good player
tarkan mardinCOYS
Being disappointed at not being first choice does not necessarily mean that a player has an attitude problem, especially if Ben Davies also sees himself as deserving of it.
MAN ON!
schneirderlin could be a great signing.
MAN ON!
i would let benny go now and let the youngsters davies and rose fight for that position
tarkan mardinCOYS
Vorm makes sense, We were too vunerlable with Friedel as back up and with the high risk narure of Lloris's game time lost ot injuries must be factored in. Vorm a good Back-up keeper option and Brad moves to the more coachign / ambassadorial role! You may replace your brick at your Leisure tarkan!
Slurms McKenzie
Is BAE not out of contract?
Slurms McKenzie
Tarken Ė I disagree in this case. Liverpool clearly needs a LB but Spurs have convinced Davis to join us instead. We wanted our man and so are making it happen. Nothing against pool but no they donít have immediate dibs on any player we may go for period. As for Vorm, yeah strange move but we do need another quality keeper so interesting if it happens. COYS
SpursOne2
I think we need a minimum of 7 new signings. The word 'gel' was not used enough on here and in the press last season... We need plenty of new players to gel with all the current players that have yet to gel. Gelling is the new word for potential and potential, right now, is all we have.
MAN ON!
I know some of the attacking midfielders took the plaudits but I also thought Veljkovic once again looked like a superb player. At 18, he plays with his head up and constantly finds his man with intricate passing. His defending was calm and assured unlike Dawson and Fryers in the 1st half. I wonder whether Poch will rip out some of the senior pro's in the squad and give guys like him and Bentaleb their chance.
muttley
With Swansea getting Fabianski, Vorm might have been second choice there anyway, better to be back up keeper for us.
Kong
Man On that doesn't gel with me!
Slurms McKenzie
Schneiderlin is talking up Spurs, I can see this transfer happening.
Kong
Vorm is a good keeper and yet he was 3rd choice for Holland in the WC. So, maybe he'd be content as our No.2, knowing he'll get plenty of games in the cup comps.
MAN ON!
I notice nobody suggsting Liverpool with have problems intrigrating their seven new signings or that Newcastle will need time to gel all their new players. Does this insight only occur after the month of September?
Slurms McKenzie
Firstly the game v Seattle once again proved beyond any reasonable doubt, that Michael Dawson is no longer, if indeed he ever was, good enough to be a first choice CB in our side. His known frailties were once again cruelly exposed, by lets face it, not exactly PL class opposition. He is slow both in mind and body, his passing ability is non existent, he ability to win heading duels is poor, and his positioning is at times alarming, he simply must be replaced. With Lovran looking like going to Liverpool, so out of the question, I would attempt to sign Ron Vlar, who in the WC was with Hummels, one of the two outstanding European CBs, proving that with better players around him, his Villa form is irrelevant. This situation is even more acute given Younis Kaboul's battle with match fitness, resulting in him missing huge numbers of games.
Frank
..Assuming we don't get knocked out early in all the cups... Why would I do that?
MAN ON!
Mystic Kong - the colour white is important to you, Change will be heralded by the letter S. Single? Mars enters Uranus and leads to a chance encounter at A&E
Slurms McKenzie
Aresenal and Emirates!?
MAN ON!
Ron Vlar is the same age as Dawson, had a hlaf decent world cup in a team with at least 5 defenders on the pitch in every game and to describe him as fair to middling for Villa last season would be a kindness!
Slurms McKenzie
ARSEnal1
MAN ON!
That is all I can see Slurms but let me check my crystal ball too as I forgot my tarot cards at home.
Kong
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MAN ON!
Donít understand some thinking on here. Every good/great THFC team of the past has had a Ďgeneralí in midfield ... Mackay, Mabbut, Hoddle, Modric ... as have most other good/great teams. Thatís because they made the difference whatever system is being played.
Geofspurs
I don't think Lovren is worth the £20m that Southampton want but most players will be expensive. We need to make a decision on Kaboul, will he be a back up player or are his injured days behind him. Kaboul and Vertonghen would be my CB pairing injuries permitting.
Kong
Slurms amongst Liverpool's new signings will be Lallana, Remy, Lambert and Lovran, all of whom have previous PL experience and 3 of the 4 have all played together previously in the same team, a considerable difference to our "magnificent 7", none of whom had any experience of playing in England, I know which group should be easier to integrate.
Frank
MAN ... I think we have to go beyond gelling ... we need to glue!
Geofspurs
Geofspurs... I agree but, who is that player and would we get him? How much would that Modric replacement cost? We may have him already. Who that is, I don't know. Dawson, in a more advanced role?
MAN ON!
A Superglue, in the form of a Modric, Ossie or Hoddle etc....
MAN ON!
Time will tell Frank! Can't see the Liverpool squad being overly thrilled with t enew arrivals, they managed to get second in the league but they signed players from teams who finished 6 or seven places below them! Team dynamics, coaching style and player work rate also factor in to the "gelling" process.
Slurms McKenzie
geof- of course we'd like a modric but as clive says there aren't many about and we have also changed the way we play so a modric type is not crucial for us at the moment...we need the creativity spread...our flanks have to be able to hold possession as does the point..we have ball playing CB's and DM's that can also play a bit...the creativity should be spread and the fullbacks provide pace and width with crosses...our LB is not up to snuff, our lw is missing and we're short of numbers up top...far more important to get the balance of the squad right than to look for the elusive new modric....
shedboy2
Just read about John White Geof. So sad. He would have been one of the greatest ever midfielders. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
clive 'this place' does not speak with one voice...I liked Thud and didn't slate him but we stopped playing with a regista...not that a lot of people even knew or appreciated what he did..slating him for being a DM who couldn't tackle well enough or comparing him to a box to box and thus too immobile...
shedboy2
IMO Danny Rose needs to go back to the development squad .. His standards of play last season was nothing less than atrocious .... No loss whatsoever should he leave the club.... All the more opportunities for the youngsters.
Highgatespur
I would like to see Holtby, Capoue and Carroll in the middle. Holtby with his energy and crisp passing, Carroll who sees a forward pass with accuracy and Capoue protecting the back 4. He's known for his mid-long range passing. Further up the pitch Cellabos on the left, Eriksen and Lamella with Soldado or Kane up front. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
MAN ... I think most of us are hoping that Eriksen will provide the missing link. I know I am.
Geofspurs
shedboy .. I don't disagree with any of that. Itís certainly essential to get the balance of the team right from the GK through to the strikers ... my point was that itís players like the ones Iíve mentioned that work hard to keep the teamís shape and balance in accord with the system theyíre playing. Maybe Eriksen ...
Geofspurs
James ... John White was a brilliant player. Very sad. Only the good die young! I'm resigned to living forever!
Geofspurs
Sorry got carried away there with the numbers lol. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
I'd never seen Cellabos before this game ... very interesting.
Geofspurs
Amen to that Geof :) COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
geof- eriksen will be important for us...will we keep holtby as cover? imo carroll is too lightweight, lacks presence and goes missing not ready...so yes we could use more creativity hence I suggest Konoplyanka...he can play lw or am or RW best left though (and can score)...reverse it and you have lamela (arguably is better AM) Eriksen -AM but can go left (not a great help defensively though)..chadli may step up on the left but he needs pushing and again can be argued better through the middle (although not a CM!) and having a left foot option would be good...we can sell andros to help fund the move....and imo his stock isn't going to rise much higher...
shedboy2
We're not short of attacking midfielders and CM. We are short at the back and one other striker. Micah has been touted for loan with us but I would only take him if he's fit. Not going to panic just yet. I'm sure Pocho doesn't need to be told what's required to better the first team and overall squad. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
a.k.a.james1spurs... I've heard that MP's been on the blower every day to Sherwood asking for advice and a few tips on how to get the best out of Ade, Harry, Eriksen and Nabil. Tim has been very helpful in this and wishes Mauricio all the best for the next 5 months..
MAN ON!
james- you say we're not short of AM's - perhaps through the middle we have options but not left and right...particularly left...hence eriksen playing left end of last season where he comes inside anyway...
shedboy2
Shedboy ... I agree with that too ... both Eriksen and Holtby have great potential for us. I also think Chadli has a lot more to offer than weíve seen so far. Not sure about Caroll yet. Then of course thereís Lamela?! I canít comment on other possible players to bring in as I usually have not seen them enough to have an opinion.
Geofspurs
Geofspurs.. That doesn't stop the rest of us. IMO.
MAN ON!
MAN ... Ah, so it is true that MP avidly reads and watches all the news outlets for any insightful remarks by TS and our old Arry on how to manage Spurs and relate to the media. Itís good for MP to have reliable advice and backup.
Geofspurs
MAN ... Good point ... in fact I've noticed that! :-)
Geofspurs
Clive we already have a very expensive Spaniard who struggles to score goals, when people talk about having two players for every role in the squad I don't think this is what they meant!
Slurms McKenzie
clive - remy's pool bound...
shedboy2
MAN ON! I had to lol at your "The word 'gel' was not used enough"! Nice one!

On that note perhaps we should remind ourselves of the dreaded word "Project", whether introduced by 'arry, AVB or Levy, it got beaten to death by everyone at THFC, a project that never got off the ground and remained incomplete for almost 3 years! . The in-word is "Philosophy"!!!! Get used to it! COYS!
Critical_Spur
How about Dembele? I always felt he would be better for us in a more advanced role. Dembele, Eriksen and Lamela could work. Dembele and Lamela will easily draw fouls for Eriksen to bury into the top corner. We know Dembele can beat a player and if he can just get the shackles off he could be so difficult for the defence to deal with. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Critical: Philosophy is now in my ongoing project when supporting Spurs and, I stopped using gel sometime ago, in the early 80's...
MAN ON!
James ... I donít know about Dembele. Weíll know more when theyíve had time to gel - as MAN ON might say! lol
Geofspurs
MAN ... I think itís a good time for an article, ĎTo Gel or not to Gelí and I reckon you could do it?!
Geofspurs
Have to say that the most interesting subject Iíve studied was Philosophy. All those hours discussing religion, politics, logic, etc, were awesome. But I must admit the most intriguing discussions we had were centred on Gelling! Some things you never forget.
Geofspurs
Or maybe, Much Hairdo About Nothing? To do is to dare with your hair. (The modern footballers motto). From mohicans to ponytails and beyond.
MAN ON!
Beckham, Bentley and Ronaldo could bring that motto to life! Are they available?!
Geofspurs
Good shout Geof. Go on Man On! To gel or not to gel that is the question 😃 COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal..... Friedrich Nietzsche
MAN ON!
Whatever!
MAN ON!
Nice quote, but how many goals did he score?!
Geofspurs
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Dublin Hotspur
Stats aren't everything Geof. He always was back helping out in defence and he was known, proverbially, for running his socks off for the cause... and effect.
MAN ON!
James ... don't encourage him!!
Geofspurs
No, don't encourage me...
MAN ON!
And Spuriouslife. Looks like yours found a new and happy home!!
Dublin Hotspur
MAN ... That's true, but then, philosophically speaking, wtf would I know. :-)
Geofspurs
Geof he doesn't need encouraging :) COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
In the Biblical sense..... I'm now gonna F off!
MAN ON!
As Jesus said in his letter to the Eskimos: Many are cold but few are frozen
Slurms McKenzie
Philosophy - How to frame an arguement so nobody looses
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms McKenzie... Any chance of some poetry?
MAN ON!
I'd much rather we went after Tevez than Torres. He'd probably cost less on the wage front and is still an exceptional player. He presses all over the pitch, is brilliant with dead balls and can really be a nightmare for defences. Both are 30 so it's that last contract. he's one of the few players that would entirely change our quality. If there's any length to the rumours, he would be a better signing than Drogba going back to chelsea. COYS
peterballb
Nice line slurms ... night all.
Geofspurs
Night Geof. Don't let the bed bugs bite, especially those from Down Under! COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Man On, saturday night, the missus is away so I'll probably get some vino on board to get the creative juices flowing and let the words drip from me like honey into your ears! Before enjoying our final US game!
Slurms McKenzie
James its beyond me how he can sleep at all in a country where all the animals and insects were designed by someone who hates the human race!! The biggest danagers I face here are a bad lash from a nettle while weeding or the dog rolling in Badger poo!
Slurms McKenzie
Unfortunately Slurms I have to face newborn poo, Age 2 poo, Cat poo and Fox poo. Not to mention avoiding slugs and snails on the decking. Squashed one slug under my foot last night after heavy rain. It wasn't a pleasant feeling ;) COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
a.k.a.james1spurs... A bowl of beer left on your decking will do the trick. The slugs drink it, get pi$$ed and drown with a smile on their slimy faces. They love it and it seems less cruel than salt or electrocution. It's the way I intend to leave this mortal coil, on my way to the great WHL in the sky.
MAN ON!
Thanks for the tip Man On! but what a waste of beer :) COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
a.k.a.james1spurs. I know but any stale leftovers will do or some cheap and nasty stuff that you wouldn't want to drink anyway. Try it.
MAN ON!
Man On! my adventurous 2yr old picked up a slug and threw it in the cat litter. Watching that slug attempting to escape had me in tears..had to pick it up and feed it to the cats lol. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
As for the foxes, I think we're lumbered. I have one sunbathing in my garden right now. He just looks up at me, gives me a dirty look then goes back to his dreams...
MAN ON!
a.k.a.james1spurs. Put the beer where your daughter can't find it of course.
MAN ON!
Good shout Man On! How about Tequila lol. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Hope we're not getting too net mums again..... Have you seen a fox in the box. I call my one Roberto.
MAN ON!
Peter / Clive - fully agree. Tevez would be that fighter, that never say die winner we need in our squad and on the pitch. Very unlikely, but would be great for us to have his workrate & quality to push the rest.....
Windlespur
I'd have Tevez any day. He's a player like Bale or Ronaldo, in as much as when the teams under performing he can win it by himself through sheer determination.
MAN ON!
Mines Greaves Man On! ;) Agree re:Tevez. Brilliant player. His technique matches his workrate and he is a very good goalscorer. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
Obviously a better class of fox where you live.
MAN ON!
Of course with Tevez we have another Argentinian connection. With a few more Germans thrown in with Holtby and Freund, we have both the WC finalists connection to inspire us.
MAN ON!
 

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