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If Only We Have Hindsight?

So the inevitable article about what to expect of this season has reared its ugly head in my mind. I cant seem to get it out of there and that is where I have trouble.

There is a difference between where I want the club to be, where the club actually is and what we can expect from the club, manager and players this season. I`ll start at the beginning. I want the club challenging at the top of the league year in, year out. Winning trophies regularly and playing the biggest clubs in Europe in the biggest competitions consistently. One day, maybe. When we have the right infrastructure behind the club to support that kind of activity, which I believe we aren't a million miles away from.

The club has consistently finished between 4th and 7th since the Martin Jol years and I see no reason why this season is going to be any different. We have one of the strongest squads in the league and are not likely to usurp the likes of Chelsea and City any time soon and in recent times are in the mix with Liverpool, Arsenal and Man U but tend to come up short across a whole season. This is based on the past few seasons and not isolated to last season.

So what do I expect from us this year. I try to be as objective as I possibly can and so remove the fine details that make our club Tottenham Hotspur and look at what we should expect. We are a club coming off the back of a very tumultuous campaign featuring two different managers both of which are now not with the club. So the club is adjusting to a new Coach with a completely new coaching staff. It looks like we will be making around 4 signings and moving some players out completely and others out on loan. So the playing staff is remaining fairly stable and remains very high in quality and the depth of that quality remains equally high.

At board level things are very stable and everyone knows what to expect from them. A club in that state I would expect to have a year of stabilising and getting used to the new managers methods. Maintaining their previous position and producing the new coach's style. Anything above and beyond that would be a bonus.

So when you add the little details back in I would expect us to have some good cup runs, produce a much more easy-on-the-eye attacking style of football and still mixing it with the big boys but I would say 5th or 6th is about right. Anything else is a bonus. Do I believe this squad is capable of getting top 4 or winning a cup? Absolutely they are certainly talented enough on paper. But do I EXPECT that this season. No. What do you want to happen this season? What do you expect to happen this season?

Written by Greekos



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Writer:Greekos
Date:Wednesday July 30 2014
Time: 10:22AM

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Someone to buy superglue and use it. Before the cracks set in.
82spursdebut
30/07/2014 10:30:00
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I expect nothing but the best a man can get.
MAN ON!
30/07/2014 10:42:00
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City first, Chelsea, Arsenil and then one of United Liverpool or us. Its hard to know which of United Liverpool or Spurs go into this seaon in a worse position. Liverpool have lost their "Bale" and won't replace him nor replicate their form from last season add inot the mix the Champions league games and I think they'll struggle this season. United are in a shambles, 27 million for a young fat lad, No proper CBs, very light weight midfield, the eggshell Ego of Wayne Rooney and the delicate fitness of RVP plus LVG my way or the highway appraoch could see it all end in tears for the red devils againt his seaosn. Spurs might be the biggest enigma of the lot, When everyone is fit we have a very decent squad, but when have we ever had everyone fit. Last season, even with the management upheavel most of the squad did a good impression of a team with football amnesia! we should be the most settle of the three squads but we also are heading into the new seaosn with big question marks over alot of our players plus the new guy who is stepping up to a higher expectation level. At this stage I'm going to say Spurs fourth United 5th and Liverpool 6th!
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 10:44:00
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Win the europa league and we have CL qualification. gotta be an incentive to go for it in that competition as i cant see us finishing above Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal or Liverpool. Also does anyone know what happens if for example Liverpool win the champions league and finish 5th, Spurs win the Europa League and finish 6th because the top 4 all qualify for CL as well regardless if a team outside the top 4 wins and qualifies and champions. Could we see 6 PL teams qualify???? unlikeley i know but is it possible????
spurs-stelios
30/07/2014 10:51:00
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Until the transfer window closes, it is too hard to call. I foresee us missing out on a world class player on deadline day - because that's the way that we roll! I reckon 6 of the current roster to be gone by deadline day with maybe 3 additions on top of the couple we now have. I see us finishing sixth again but pushing all the way in the Europa cup. Last eight in the other cups barring being drawn away to any club above 7 th in the league. I hope to see our worst defeat limited to 2 goals. I suggest run this poll again on 1st of September!
scoops50
30/07/2014 10:52:00
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What I expect - top 7. What I would love - top 4 and/or silverwear. What I'll be happy with - Top 6, 2 good cup runs (semis), a striker scoring 18+ in the league, fast attractive football, and for there to be no talk whatsoever of Pochettinos job stability......Not asking much am I?!
King26
30/07/2014 10:53:00
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If the fifth place team wins CL then 4th placed team drops out!
scoops50
30/07/2014 10:54:00
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Slums - I hope you're right!!!
King26
30/07/2014 10:54:00
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King 26 I wouldn't have thopught so and all those should be fairly attainable with our current squad!
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 10:55:00
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TOP FOUR!!! It's out time again. Lamela, Eriksen , Townsend, Lennon, Soldado, Ade . If we get good seasons from this lot of exciting talent and bring in one or two more face before West Ham game then I think we have (as usual) a great chance of top four!! COYS
willfry
30/07/2014 10:56:00
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Probably agree with your expectations. 5th or 6th place with a good cup run (im talking about making it to a final !) and giving it a good go in Europe. I know there are some decent teams in the EL especially when the CL dropouts come in but I think that is our best shot at CL footy for next year. Breaking into the top 4 is getting harder and harder and I just don’t see it as a realistic target this year, therefore if we want CL footy we need to win the EL and I think we have the depth of squad to maintain a 5th / 6th finish in the league and focus on the cups / EL

There is a lot of work to be done at spurs, and I hope that MP can achieve his goals and get the best out of the players. I love his enthusiasm saying that his target over the next few years is to WIN the Premier League but he has to understand we are never going to do it with the likes of Dawson at CB and Soldado and Kane up front. To win the league means getting players like the Hazzard’s and Augero’s that we just never seem to be able to pull in. We can take our time, develop the youth, gel as a squad etc but ultimately if you want to win the PL you need to invest in the squad and bring in at least 2 or 3 world class players. We are Waaayyyy off at the minute.
hudderspur
30/07/2014 10:57:00
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My hope is West Ham struggle On with BFS at the helm until we give them a right good stuffing!
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 10:57:00
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King26... NO!
MAN ON!
30/07/2014 10:57:00
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We finished 10 points behind 4th place. So using last season as a marker, we have to improve our point total by at least 15%. Is our squad any better than last season? We shall see, however everyone else is improving their squad, so the gap in reality is already increasing. Wehen we look at the last few seasons, we could have finished 4th more than we did. Now, however, it will be more difficult than ever.
vicspur
30/07/2014 10:58:00
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I can see the weaknesses at Old Trafford being minimised due to the tactual acumen of LVG, whilst the bindippers had other players scoring goals and they may have strengthened but they may well have injuries. Unfortunately the other three just look stronger!
scoops50
30/07/2014 11:00:00
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spurs-stelios see this link http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/champions-league/10076205/England-could-be-awarded-five-spots-in-the-Champions-League-from-2015.html
In-spurs-ational
30/07/2014 11:01:00
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vicspur.. It's not our squad that needs major improvement it's the football itself that needs to step up a notch or two.
MAN ON!
30/07/2014 11:01:00
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In a nut shell, the most number of teams any country can have in the Champions League is five. Winners of the Europa league and champions league are "guaranteed" spots in the following seasons champions league
In-spurs-ational
30/07/2014 11:03:00
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Don't want to put too much pressure on the lad, as last season was so poor (for everyone, not just him)...but Lamela.....If he can play well consistently, and chip in with 10, 12 goals from off the right, he could be the difference between 6th & 4th. I am keeping everything crossed that he delivers this year. I think the loving arm MoPo has round him, all the Spurs Social Media sites bigging him up, it could be just what he needs......come on Erik, I know you can do it!
King26
30/07/2014 11:04:00
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Liverpool will also miss the chaos that Suarez caused in oppsoition defenses. He had a few assists but he also created a huge amount of space for others to exploit they have recruited players but they haven't really improved in my opinion. United are still in a shambles and tactical acumen means very little if the ability of the players is lacking. Which means united still have to go on a spending spree just to have a balanced team to take the field ont eh first day of the season. Then gelling and that other nonsense comes into it. And if they keep recruiting players from summer fat camps then they won't see they play this side of christmas!
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 11:05:00
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What this means is that we will finish fourth with Man Utd finishing fifth (and winning the champions league) and Arsenal finishing sixth (and winning the Europa league).
In-spurs-ational
30/07/2014 11:05:00
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Ecerything!? King as long as they are crossed and not twisted you should be fine!!
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 11:06:00
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In-spurs at least we know that can't possibly happen United aren't in the champions league!!
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 11:08:00
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haha! Everything barring those!!!
King26
30/07/2014 11:08:00
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I don't subscribe to the view that Liverpool will struggle, not with their outstanding coach/manager, their squad strength, and the 12th man effect of their crowd in home games. Yes they lost Suarez, but they have another 20+ goal striker from last season in Sturridge. Utd won't struggle, LVG doesn't do struggles, he is one of the world's great coaches, he will sort them out, and they may yet buy another 1 or 2 before deadline. City, Chelsea, Arsenal, are all bankers for the top 4, so realistically we can only hope to stay as we are. To do so we still need to address our glaring weaknesses particularly at CB, and up front, the primary causes of our abysmal +4 GD figures from last season, which if replicated this season, could cost us even 6th place.
Frank
30/07/2014 11:09:00
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Well king if we don't finish in the champions league with at least two trophies in the cabinet we'll know who to blame for his lack of commitment!!!
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 11:11:00
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5th or 6th is my expectation but stranger things have happened in football like Greece winning the Euro or Liverpool coming close to winning the league. So if we get a good cup run, get to a final or achieve 4th and playing good football I would be very happy man. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
30/07/2014 11:11:00
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Just playing watchable football and not giving humiliating performances e.g West Ham x3,Man City 2 ,Liverpool x2 etc.....
Garry Rogers1
30/07/2014 11:12:00
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i would settle for top 17.
tarkan mardinCOYS
30/07/2014 11:12:00
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Slurms, you spotted my deliberate mistake :)
In-spurs-ational
30/07/2014 11:12:00
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I expect us to beat West ham this year! I do not expect us to be humiliated by anyone! I expect us not to spend any real money on transfers (although want otherwise!), I expect us to start the season with the 6th best squad(fingers crossed we improve though)... so any lower and Poch isn't doing us any favours, higher and he's over achieving...As for hindsight, what we really need is some foresight....why oh why Brad is taking up a valuable place in our squad I have no idea? take it off him and promote Archer..Brad can still train and be an ambassador...he won't play any way...that'll free up a homegrown place...and get the players in before the season kicks off - will we ever learn!
shedboy2
30/07/2014 11:15:00
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a.k.a.james1spurs... Or Andros and Aaron scoring well taken goals......
MAN ON!
30/07/2014 11:15:00
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Liverpool imploded towards teh end of their seasona dn then sold their best player and bought in a truck load of names without really improving anywhere or even tryign to repalce some of suarez's goals. Rodgers had a good season when all he had to conentrate on were more or less forty games. United are in big trouble Frank and LVG has a massive task on his hands unfortunately for them LVG won't be takign the field in any of their matches and he will have to rely on the "talent" available to him. They will struggle. It will be a fairly close contest between Us United and Liverpool for that fourth spot we'll be about 10 points behind third! Everton will have a say but Southampton won't take poitns off many team sthis season!
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 11:15:00
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tarkan mardinCOYS, things aren't looking good, we're currently 18th http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/tables
In-spurs-ational
30/07/2014 11:15:00
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A good starting point Garry, come on the bit O'Red!
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 11:18:00
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To be honest anything above 15th after the first game will be an improvement!
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 11:19:00
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The games against the top four teams will allow us to see exactly what we are, and what we are not, capable of.
Geofspurs
30/07/2014 11:22:00
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King26 ... Your first post echoes my sentiments entirely.
Geofspurs
30/07/2014 11:24:00
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yep LvG - is bang in trouble...;)..really? he does have quite a good bunch to work with, a board that will give him funds to improve and a track record to suggest he can ride out the tough times and succeed....however look at us...have we increased our goals? have we a board that will give funds to a manager? does our new manager have a track record of success?...at the moment we can only look through the squads and see who looks to have the best and guess from there but there are a lot variables that can push that one way or the other...
shedboy2
30/07/2014 11:26:00
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It seems as though some THFC supporters have pretty much written the season off already because we aren’t going to get top 4 and CL next year. If that’s the only thing that gets them excited then I suggest they try another team! It is going to be a bloody hard season! CAN we finhs in the top 4? Of course we can. We have a good overall squad and a decent manager (I hope). WILL we finish in the top 4? Most likely not, because the other 4 or 5 teams above us also have very good squads and decent managers

All I want for this season is to get back to enjoying football and enjoying watching spurs. Im sick of the 4-5 goal thrashings, the boring football, giving a every team we play a goal head start, the constant want for a new manager, the whole “life is over because ewe will finish 5th” talk on the forums. I just want a season where we play good football, compete as best we can and try and bring some silverware to the lane. I don’t really care what position we finish TBH.
hudderspur
30/07/2014 11:27:00
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Even them scoring MAN ON! :) COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
30/07/2014 11:27:00
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Agree with Frank. I think the lack of a goalscorer will cost us plus this is in effect Poch's second season in the EPL and other coaches will know what to expect from his team...there were signs of this last season towards the end. I like what I have seen so far but feel it is too lightweight with no end product. I just hope we produce better performances against the so-called top teams, including stuffing Arsenal a couple of times would do me for the season. Unreasonable to expect much else in my opinion.
Harry-Kari
30/07/2014 11:27:00
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I just want all the lads to be jolly. To play with a smile and a skip in their step but, most of all, I want them to entertain us with some really nice football. I want them to forget about all that nasty money stuff, shrug off that burden of fear and pressure and..... mow down every god damn son of a gun in site! Mopo is a Mofo, la la la la, hey!
MAN ON!
30/07/2014 11:27:00
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tarkan ... lol, I agree, that's always the bottom line!
Geofspurs
30/07/2014 11:29:00
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im not sure everything will be hunky dawry at manure as others seem to believe.
tarkan mardinCOYS
30/07/2014 11:29:00
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Sorry to go off topic but there are some twitter rumours of a bust up at the Southampton training ground today. could be nothing but you never know
DoncasterHotspur
30/07/2014 11:32:00
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Whatever happens this season, history tells us that there is always one or two surprises. I hope we are one of them ... and in a good way!
Geofspurs
30/07/2014 11:32:00
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Sorry to go off topic but there are some twitter rumours of a bust up at the Southampton training ground today. could be nothing but you never know
DoncasterHotspur
30/07/2014 11:32:00
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So Lamela doesn't count as a goal scorer despite his blestering start to pre-season? Why are some of us so depressed in the middle of pre-season when we are undefeated and recruiting players? I want to live in Hudderspur's world where we play a good brand of competitve football and we only loose games because the other team was better and deserved it not because we were awful! The leageu positions, Trophies and glory will follow once we settle ona manager who is allowed to manage the team to these things. Of course it would take a minor miracle for Pochettino to achieve these in his first season but as Man On alluded to football is a fickle mistress!
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 11:34:00
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I can't honestly see Liverpool struggling. Whilst they will suffer from losing the fear factor that goes hand-in-hand with having an unhinged Uruguayan goal-machine/vampire as top boy, they still have oodles of quality. If they can add one more solid CB, then they should be top four. City and Chelsea are nailed on, and so there is one spot of for grabs. And as things currently stand, I can't decide on who I think will nab it. We can make arguments both for and against Man Utd, ourselves, our un-mentionable neighbours, and also Everton. I don't believe that any of the above have finished/will finish their transfer business pre-season, and so it's up in the air. Long story short, I've rambled on a bit and I haven't got a clue!! What do I want/expect? I want us to win the league, and I expect Lamela to have doubled his price tag by this time next year!! Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
30/07/2014 11:35:00
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DDoncaster ... there aren’t too many left to bust so it must have been a fairly subdued affair!
Geofspurs
30/07/2014 11:36:00
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I echo the 'compete as best we can' sentiment but that applies off as well as on the pitch for me...and that's when the frustration sets in....seeing a smug face taking millions out of the club whilst watching make do players and managers being humiliated on the pitch...people screaming that the players 'get paid a fortune but don't try' need to raise their heads a little and see where it stems from....so will it be 'Audere-est-Facere' or 'a day late and a dollar short'? over to you Levy....
shedboy2
30/07/2014 11:38:00
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Doncaster apparently Pochettino was so loved at Southampton that they commissioned a cast of his head and the bronze statue has been erected up today, hence the "bust up at Southampton" headlines
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 11:38:00
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Spurs! Aim to reduce goals conceded, by at least 10-15, and aim to score more goals. Drop points as all clubs do, but so that draws result. Tighten everything that needs it, and concentrate for the 90 minutes+. What has been encouraging so far, is the calmer, happier atmosphere, and a bench that has staff neither uptight nor nutty. I'd still give them time to get it right, but I like directions taken so far.
Airwave
30/07/2014 11:38:00
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Tarkan, I agree with you re United. It is not a forgone conclusion that they'll be back amongst the title contenders. LVG is under HUGE pressure to deliver. They are in a rebuild mode, new manager, new 'philosophy' (LoL!)......May be we can send them all our leftover gel....never freekin worked for us anyway! COYS!
Critical_Spur
30/07/2014 11:42:00
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Airwave. Just wait. The season ain't started yet. If MP isn't just a little uptight when we're 3 nil down to WHU at half-time, I'll want to know why.
MAN ON!
30/07/2014 11:44:00
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We're joint top at the moment, we can only take it one game at ta time and if we get more poitns then the rest we'll wint eh leageu but at this stage its all to play for. we haven't lost a game in the 2014-15 season and we haven't conceded a league goal yet. Things are looking good!!
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 11:46:00
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The two early goals at West Ham will really knock the stuffing out of them and the crowd will turn on their manager. I hope we don't see some rash tackles flying in from frustration with injuries doing damage to our season. I hope West Ham have the good grace to loose with dignity. 4-0
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 11:48:00
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The only way is up.... or down... Sideways?
MAN ON!
30/07/2014 11:48:00
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WHU owes us one. Big Sam seems a generous man to me.
MAN ON!
30/07/2014 11:50:00
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What about forwards or backwards or does the third demension frighten you that much Man On!!
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 11:51:00
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Critical ... I agree with you re United. I think their biggest problem will be how the players react to the manager’s ego. LVG will not be happy if United aren’t mixing it for a top four place ... the pressure, and his ego, could see him reacting in a way that creates bad feeling from his players. Of course, this may not happen, but I hope United have a relatively poor start to the season just to make it interesting and to see what the consequences are!
Geofspurs
30/07/2014 11:52:00
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Can't rule out another Chelsea implosion!
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 11:53:00
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Slurms ... that’s what I love about stats because the same stats tell us we have not won a game and we have not scored any goals! Stats are awesome ... and totally useless!!
Geofspurs
30/07/2014 11:54:00
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So we now know we have expectations of varying degrees on here about Spurs prospects in the coming season, some will have over estimated some will have under estimated but I for one intend to be insufferiably smug if my predictions are proven correct.
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 11:55:00
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I start getting confused Slurms.. I go all AVB and insert in on myself to the point that my knees go all trembly and I'm doing a Sandro all over the pitch. (Throwing up, not getting booked).
MAN ON!
30/07/2014 11:56:00
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Onderign the same thing Totties10! its nto on any ITV channel
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 11:56:00
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Good point Man On, another hope of mine is to never see the word "inverted" associated with any Spurs player this season!!!!
Slurms McKenzie
30/07/2014 11:58:00
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The problem is that yes we want our club to be challenging and winning things, but so do Chelsea fans, Everton fans, Hull fans, Exeter fans etc... Everyone cannot be up there competing. To me, all you cannot expect is movement in the right direction - or at least hanging on in there. I believe that we are doing that. Set backs happen, and it would be unrealistic to not expect those as well. We had some setbacks last season. Hopefully this time we get a clear run. From a platform of 6th place last season, I expect no less than that. With some momentum, 5th place is definitely achievable. With some luck and shwred additions before the season starts - or perhaps in Jan, we could be competing for 4th. There is a lot of untapped potential in the squad. If it comes out, we could be quite good. Another key area is how we manage the cup competitions. AVB was usually playing most of the first team, and at times it affected the league form. Previous regimes played 100% kids and fringe which affects ability to win things and gain momentum in the cups. Up to Poch to see how he can manage it.
TonyRich
30/07/2014 12:00:00
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Hindsight was a good young prospect and could have been a real contender. A Spurs legend. Instead, he sat on the bench out on loan at Birmingham for 5 years...
MAN ON!
30/07/2014 12:00:00
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schneirderlin hands in a transfer request.
tarkan mardinCOYS
30/07/2014 12:02:00
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City, Chelsea and Arsenal will all make the top four. Liverpool, despite all their signings, might struggle with extra European games and no Suarez. Coversely United have the big advantage of no European football, just as liverpool had last season, so I wouldn't be surprised if they get the fourth place. As for us, the article says it all "The club has consistently finished between 4th and 7th since the Martin Jol years", yet every year we pretend a change of manager will change everything. We'll grind out another meaningless europa campaign, miss out on the top four again, end up in te europa again and then moan about how unlucky we were.
jod
30/07/2014 12:03:00
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Sorry folks, I do expect CL qualification -any which way how !!! This is a must !
Highgatespur
30/07/2014 12:09:00
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Frank I must say that's not a surprise you thinking that about L'pool - anything not Spurs will shine, aye ? Lol
Highgatespur
30/07/2014 12:13:00
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We need to revenge on the clubs that humiliated us last season.. starting at West Ham !! Then Win at Le Arse, Bindippers..Man Chitty then MP will be a hero of WHL...COYS
Block D Spurs
30/07/2014 12:37:00
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