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Poch - Too may players.

Poch - Too may players.

Interesting to see MP saying that we have too many players. Apparently he is poised to sell 5 players. At last some common sense coming out of the Lane.

I totally agree. Without going on about the magnificent 7 and too many midfielders, we have all been screaming out the squad is unbalanced. MP has been addressing this by bringing in Davies, Dier and possibly Yedlin and Musacchio. At last a manager who is addressing our biggest problem for years, our defence. With Kaboul's injuries and Dawson's lack of pace etc, Vlad not establishing himself despite some good aspects of his game, we have been looking for a solid defender to partner Verts.

If we do get MM, then we would have Walker, Naughton, Fredericks, Yedlin, Davies, Rose, BAE, Fryers ,Verts, MM, Dier, Dawson, Kaboul, Vlad, and Veljkovic. I can see at least 4 of Dawson, Kaboul, Vlad and Naughton and BAE, leaving us with 2 players for each position Dier also covering RB and Fryers covering LB/CB if needed. The question is who to sell.

Kaboul is injury prone, so if Napoli or anyone else is willing to pay anything over 5m, I would take it. He is also a big earner. I don't see Vlad staying to be 3rd choice and he will have good resale value. If we can get our money back on him, it would make sense to sell him. That leaves Dawson. Most of us want him out, solely based on his football ability, not his personality. But, he seems reluctant to go and due his testimonial next year. If he were to accept being 4th choice, then on a wet Tuesday cup night in Stoke etc, he could still do a job for a year allowing Veljkovic to develop into the first squad.

It seems like Pocho teams will be 4-2-3-1. Capoue, Sandro, Holtby, Dembele, Paulinho, Chadli, Lamela, Lennon, Townsend, Eriksen, Benteleb, Carroll. 12 players fighting for 10 places but not a balanced midfield by any means. Who goes is down to how MP sees what each player brings to the team. He might deem Sandro as expendable if Capoue, Holtby and Benteleb can anchor the midfield. Paulinho is the high profile name here and based on last season/WC, where does he fit into this team ahead of Eriksen? Leaving the 2 wide attacking players. Lennon, Lamela, Townsend and Chadli. Lamela is nailed on to be a starter, so hoping that Eriksen is not played on the left or right, that would leave Dembele, Paulinho without a natural starting place.

Up front Ade, Soldado and Kane. With African Nations this year, we might lose Ade for some games leaving just Soldado and Kane. A striker is needed? I would sell Ade if someone made an offer. He has rarely been at one club for so long and we know motivation is a problem for him. Bony is ideal to lead the line but he will also miss some games due to ACN.

With MP still looking to bring in Musacchio, Schneiderlin and Yedlin and possibly a striker adding to our already overgrown squad, there is definitely need to get rid of a few players. If we do bring in those players, then I can see Naughton, Kaboul, Vlad, BAE, Paulinho, Dembele, Chadli and Ade as players under threat. As ever, I welcome your opinion on who looks surplus to requirements.

Written by vicspur



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Writer:vicspur
Date:Monday August 11 2014
Time: 2:20PM

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First of all, get rid of BAE.
Pollo
11/08/2014 14:33:00
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Second of all get rid of Chadli..
chavli
11/08/2014 14:34:00
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Selling Vlad would be a mistake. He has tremendous ability on the ball and can score like an attacking midfielder. Reads the game very well and can intercept balls as good as any. He has suffered with back injuries and had a baptism of fire in the EPL, but he has shown enough to me that he is a versatile defender. First and foremost he is a CB, unfortunately not tall as most CB's but makes up for that with his reading and ability on the ball. He can also cover RB and can play as a DM. Just a shame Pocho didn't have him on tour. He could have been the player that stood out. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
11/08/2014 14:41:00
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The players to go will be BAE, Daws, Chadli, Paulhinio or Djembele, Sandro
Horny Helen
11/08/2014 14:51:00
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For me those 5 are Kaboul, Dembele, Naughton, BAE, and Sandro.
LongTimeSpursFan64
11/08/2014 14:58:00
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There is certainly some trimming to be done. Shifting players like BAE, Dawson and Kaboul will be hard, nobody wants to pay the wages and transfer fees. We have 3 keepers, too many defenders and midfielders. It all depends on who he fancies and who he can get in. To go, BAE, Kaboul, Chadli, Townsend and Naughton. I'd get rid of Ade but nobody will take him.
RAF Yid
11/08/2014 15:09:00
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If Musacchio or another senior CB arrives, Kaboul or Dawson (and maybe both, depending on Dier's progress) should be sold. Naughton should go if Yedlin arrives. BAE should leave no matter what. The midfield is tricky: We currently have Holtby, Sandro, Dembélé, Paulinho, Capoue and Bentaleb who can play in the holding midfield places of a 4-2-3-1. If Schneiderlin arrives, this area becomes even more problematic. The advantage with Demblélé and Holtby is that they can also play higher up the pitch (as could Paulinho) and that versatility comes in handy when injuries start to pile up. So if Morgan arrives, Sandro or Capoue look like the ones most vulnerable. Bentaleb should be loaned. The front three will consist of the three listed previously plus Eriksen, Lamela, Lennon, Chadli, and Townsend.Eriksen and Holtby/Dembélé/Paulinho will play behind the striker. Lamela and Lennon will man the right, Townsend and Chadli the left. Based on fitness and injury record, I would tend to rely on Chadli more than Andros. If Rodriguez or Depay arrive, Townsend should be loaned. So I would say goodbye to Naughton, BAE, Kaboul and Dawson. In midfield, Sandro and Townsend & Bentaleb on loan.
BelgianSpur
11/08/2014 15:09:00
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If we sell Naughton we might not have a right back until January, when new lad arrives from the States, Walker has had the whole summer and is still not fit, I can see this injury running and running. BAE first out the door, Dawson if we can, probably Dembele and then my heart rules my head and don't want either Sandro or Kaboul to go. Interesting to see if players have to leave before new players come in, 3 weeks and counting before door slams shut.
Chelmspur
11/08/2014 15:10:00
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I'd be gutted if we got rid of Sandro. he's what Brazil missed in the World Cup.
Shannon
11/08/2014 15:10:00
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Too many players !?....welcome to THFC..and 4 comps'. Blackpool could do with a couple. Sounds like MoPo has put the...For Sale...sign, in the window. Decisions Decisions come with this high profile well paid position. Think Naughton is becoming a very good right fullback, should be, not, for sale.
82spursdebut
11/08/2014 15:19:00
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Here we go again. there are 32 players, 25 spots. Even if we accept that Khumalo and BAE will either be gone or allowed to run out their contracts, we need to offload 5 players assuming no others come in. If Yedlin comes in, I am not certain if he is considered u-21 (he turned 21 last month). If not, and if Musacchio, as I am informed is in the pipeline, we have some problems. Dawson and Kaboul don't want to go and we can't make them. Kaboul, I have read, wants to be offered a contract extension with Spurs or he will run his last year down and be available to sign wherever he wishes. Dawson, there's the testimonial and he doesn't want to go to a potential relegation team. Wages will be an issue for most of those we wish to sell.

So, who do we think will be going, that we will actually be able to move? I haven't a clue. This is the conundrum every year and, I presume, it stops us being able to get deals done that we would like to do. Get the squad down tio 22 with anything else being made up of u-21's and academy players. I swear we haven't learned anything from the Harry days. Our squad is too big and you still can't make older surplus players on large wages go anywhere. Get the squad down to 22, pay a little more on wages and have flexibility to do deals when you want. COYS
peterballb
11/08/2014 15:20:00
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And Luiz behaving like a spoilt kid, Shannon.
RAF Yid
11/08/2014 15:21:00
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BAE is the only player I can see never getting a game, so he has to go. The others are dependant on who comes in i.e. if Scheniderland then Paulinho and Dembele could leave, if Yedlin then Naughton can leave but Kyle has been a relatively good squad player so a hard choice to make. Personally I can't see Dawson, Vlad, Kane, Chadli, Kaboul, as well as the other I mentioned really cutting it week in week out as a top4 player. As I said though all depends who comes in.
T.H.F.Chris
11/08/2014 15:23:00
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Not sure I agree with selling Adebayor to buy Bony... Adebayor is better. I think when he's been loved, he's been very very good for us (under 'arry & tim). There is a reason he's played for City & was taken to Real, he can be unplayable at times. Definitely better than Bony for me
King26
11/08/2014 15:29:00
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Belgian pretty much agree with everything you've said except regarding Chadli/Townsend, I have seen very little from Chadli that has impressed me, especially against superior opposition. Also considering how crap he was last season, how little he player and how quickly he went out the world I would have thought he would have cut his holiday short and battled for a place during our pre-season.
T.H.F.Chris
11/08/2014 15:32:00
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Agree with King26. Bony is not really an upgrade on Adebayor this year.
BelgianSpur
11/08/2014 15:34:00
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King26, there's also a reason why he is not still with Arsenal, City or RM. He plays when he can be bothered. Love has nothing to do with it. Let him do what he wants and he is fine. Ask him to be a part of a "team dynamic" with the same expectations of all the others, he is a disaster. But yes, he is miles better than Bony, who is not the answer, hence why his price continues to drop. Doesn't mean we won't do a deal for him if Soldado goes to Atletico (suspect we don't want a loan but expect most of our money back - personally, if available, I'd do the loan - he hits for 20 and market value is right back there and perhaps it will show the problem was not him). COYS
peterballb
11/08/2014 15:36:00
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Ade may have been better than Bony but considering the African Nations, age and potential Bony may be a better addition. Personally I think we should go for both, Kane doesn't look like a 12+ goals a season man.
T.H.F.Chris
11/08/2014 15:37:00
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The article suggests Dier can cover for RB but my understanding is it was either RCB/LCB or DCM. It is Musacchio that is RCB/RB. Key to selling Naughton is getting him in. Seems the only ones to sit down with and tell them they won't get in the 25 are BAE & CHADLI. I do not think we have to name Fredericks, Dier or Veljkovic as were under 21 at start of the year. I make it we have 25 with only the 2 mentioned not getting in. If we have more business to do coming in then obviously others move out. Not necessarily Sold or loaned but just wouldn't be able to play. Tough talking to be done and cards on the table time.
CoysRus
11/08/2014 15:52:00
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we are allowed 17 foreign players over the age of 21 in our squad(that's foreign football association players!). By my reckoning we have 28 players over the age of 21 in the squad ten of those are homegrown so we only need to lose 1 foreign player to make our foreign quota...of course we also have to lose two more to name a 25 man squad but Khumalo, BAE and loan out carroll and or mason and we're set....
shedboy2
11/08/2014 15:53:00
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James .... I agree with you re Vlad,
Geofspurs
11/08/2014 15:58:00
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My mistake, Friers, Carroll, Ceballos and Mason are ALL over 21, so only Fredericks and Dier do not need to be named. Looks like loans for most of these again. Kane too if we can get Bony.
CoysRus
11/08/2014 15:59:00
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When posters on here say MP is looking to bring in X,Y,Z, etc .... are their comments prompted by the media or by direct quotes from MP?! Because if they are not quotes from MP why assume it’s true?
Geofspurs
11/08/2014 16:01:00
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Said this on another thread - we seem to have a plan this time and it looks lke there is consensus on implementation - all working towards the same goal behind the scenes.....and it's confidential. All the ITK's have been way off mark - The Dier signing was from left field!
BTW where is Muttley when you need him? He is the resident expert on our squad!
Durbanspur
11/08/2014 16:19:00
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Ade, unplayable. When Ade wants, take any transfer to get rid, we have a really good CF in Soldado, he just needs the service.
RAF Yid
11/08/2014 16:19:00
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One problem we may have moving on players (apart from they don't want to leave ) is that the ones wanted by others may not be the ones we want gone. Some tough calls to be made .
ro6ertj
11/08/2014 16:21:00
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Ade was unplayable for the first half of last season ... and very good in the second half. He’s the best we have, imo.
Geofspurs
11/08/2014 16:24:00
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all these players and only two senior strikers...
shedboy2
11/08/2014 16:27:00
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Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet, take no money just get rid. Kaboul, Dawson and Friedel are finished in their careers either through age or injury.
RAF Yid
11/08/2014 16:38:00
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Durbanspur- oh yes we must have a great plan...what is it to finally be ready for a season in 20 years time...some plan, 1 week before kick off and we're all over the place....
shedboy2
11/08/2014 16:39:00
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What genius decided to give Brad another contract? we should pull his squad place for a start...
shedboy2
11/08/2014 16:41:00
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When players know they won't be in the named 25, it is then reality strikes that they will not play. This may focus the mind on wanting a move/loan to have a purpose other than a salary each week. Unless your name was Gomes of course. He then has the cheek to say he was treated badly.
CoysRus
11/08/2014 16:49:00
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Granted that it could have better Shed, but WC returnees and new manager bedding in has its consequences - other clubs haven't had both issues - can't hold MP responsible for this - he has to get on with it but must give all the players a fair shot before deciding who he doesn't want.....but agree that it's not ideal!
Durbanspur
11/08/2014 16:51:00
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'It could have been better'
Durbanspur
11/08/2014 16:55:00
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Rex - my thoughts entirely...Bony is all but nailed on for the African Nations...RAF - who are you replacing adebayor with? in his seasons with us, he's been top scorer for 2/3, he brings goals to the team, I don't care if his attitude isn't great, not while he scores goals.
King26
11/08/2014 16:56:00
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I would accept this squad: Lloris, Vorm, Friedel, Walker, Naughton, Davies, Rose, Musacchio, Vertonghen, Chiriches, Kaboul, Dier, Schneiderlin, Capoue, Sandro, Bentaleb, Dembele, Paulinho, Eriksen, Holtby, Lennon, Townsend, Chadli, Lamela, Adebayor, Soldado, Rodriguez, Kane. 28 players with 3 free picks and 8 homegrowns.

That would mean offloading Dawson, Ekotto, Khumalo and loans or sales for Fredericks, Mason, Ceballos, Fryers, Carroll etc. I'm also not worried about an over-crowded midfield as you've really only got Sandro, Schneiderlin and Capoue that have to play in the 2 man DCM. Guys like Paulinho, Dembele, Bentaleb, Holtby and Eriksen can push up into the 3 and be effective there. What it does mean though is that we will have to have significant positive net spending if we want Schneiderlin, Musacchio and Rodriguez and are only getting £10m back for the others. I don't think that will happen though. I think there will be a senior midfielder going, if not 2.
muttley
11/08/2014 16:56:00
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Durbanspur- no it's not Mopo's fault...we have a DoF who is supposed to ensure continuity and a chairman who likes to make bad appointments before making bad firing decisions...they get paid a fortune but our squad management is a dog's breakfast....they look incompetent.
shedboy2
11/08/2014 17:04:00
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Depay is a must to get from PSV.
blackcatladder
11/08/2014 17:07:00
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before LVG gobbles him up.
blackcatladder
11/08/2014 17:08:00
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It is a no brainer for me. Obika & Khumalo do not count - out. Unless Poch can get something outta Kyle, Naughton is gone. Bae is far removed from the team now. Gone. Ain't gonna happen for Kaboul. Let him go if possible. If a deal for Sandro is there, let him go. 6 names. There were 10 or more players who started more EPL games than them last season, so they will not be particularly missed from the field. The previous season, we shed too much of our most stared players, replaced with epl experienced players, and it showed. This time around - combined with with the also non-starting Siggy and Falque, that is the way to do it. Build on what you had last year. Dawson stays until we have a stable defence without him. The fact that he still plays too much is a barometer of how our defence is not sorted. We still have a lot of midfield players, and I personally need to see Dembele step up, or he should go too. New manager and tactics, so let's see. It is also make or break for Mason 'n' Carroll as they have seen Bentaleb overtake them.
TonyRich
11/08/2014 17:13:00
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don't be so quick to write off Vlad
stephenspurs1210
11/08/2014 17:18:00
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CoysRus, while I will be the first to say that Gomes shold get on with it and focus on where he is now, rather than where he was, nothing he has said seems counter to what was previously reported. There were clubs interested. I don't ever recall there being stories out there tha Gomes was nixing the deals. I do recall Harry suggesting he could not let him go as we would be short. I thought at one point that there was a deal in place for him to go back to Brazil which never materialised. Obviously none of us were on the inside, but I do not recall a single report suggesting that what Gomes is reporting cannot be true. We certainly did nothing to get rid of Pav, Gio and others when there were offers out there. It is a consistent ENIC behaviour. I just have not worked out the value in it. If you want to hold on to a player because your valuation is not being met, and the coach is unwiling to play said player, how does the valuation ever go up? Paying a player 3M to sit on his duff because he will not be played makes no sense rather than selling same player for 3M lower than your valuation. I have never understood keeping players around the team who are not wanted. COYS
peterballb
11/08/2014 17:22:00
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We have an age old bloated squad problem at Spurs, our transfer policy, and contract awarding system, has brought it about. We adopt scatter gun tactics in transfers. Rather than signing one or two quality players, we sign cheapy gambles like Khamalo, Chadli, Chiriches, as some examples, and due to our contract awarding policy, the latest being the ludicrous award of a 5 year deal for Rose, it is difficult to shift players to upgrade. We have Dawson who will not leave, Kaboul is reported to be the same, we have the likes of Obika, Carroll, and others, who have little first team potential, who go out on repetitive loans without shining, what do we do with them when they reach 21, Obika is 23 still here, and is never going to be first team potential, he should have been dumped into the army of ex Spurs players in leagues 1 and 2, several seasons ago. It is all very well for people to say we need to get rid of BAE and others, but unless they are willing to go, you can't move them, and of course before you can get rid, another club has to be interested. Our current overload in MF is perfect proof that our transfer business is conducted predominantly by a bloke who hasn't got a bloody clue what he is doing, there has been no one in, one out, no attempt to aim for a balanced squad, just a determination to move out every quality player for massive fees and profit, and to try and pick up perceived bargains, apparently with little regard to how they fit into a squad, these are mixed with the occasional unbelievable deals, like the paying of a massive fee for the then 28, now 29 year old Soldado, whose sell on value is probably 25% of his fee if we are lucky, after 1 season, and club record fees for Paulinho, why, and Lamela who may or may not turn out to be up to playing the 38 game PL season. To summarise our transfer policy, both in and out, in recent seasons has been a shambles, and the price we are now paying, is a totally unbalanced and bloated squad, high in numbers, and low in true game changing, or match winning, quality.
Frank
11/08/2014 17:28:00
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Chiriches is better than Verthongen! Faster, better at passing the ball and more technical.
dagobert
11/08/2014 17:37:00
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If I was Joe Lewis, Danny boy Levy wouldn't be allowed within miles of a potential transfer window, he is totally unable to organise the proverbial pi$$ up in a brewery, when it comes to signings, buying and selling players, and negotiating contracts. He should stick to what he is qualified to do, and confine himself to the new stadium project, if he is fully committed to this, perhaps things may happen quicker. Hopefully Baldini's appointment as DOF will help, but one wonders how much autonomy he will have in sourcing and signing players within an agreed budget, which of course is the normal role of a DOF, and how much Levy will stick his ample nose in, and deflect his actions. I just wonder whose finger prints were on the "re-investment" of the Bale, Huddlestone, Parker, Dempsey, proceeds on the "magnificent 7", not the best business we have ever done, or the wisest investment of £109M.
Frank
11/08/2014 17:41:00
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I don't see as CB is a huge issue (numbers-wise). Kaboul, if he is wanting to let his deal run down, and Dawson, if he will not go, makes 2. Vertonghen makes 3. If we sign Musacchio, that is 4. Dier doesn't count, so the only surplus one is Chiriches. I suspect Dawson's opinion will change after the Testimonial and once it is obvious Dier is ahead of him along with Musacchio and Vertonghen (who still has not signed on the dotted line). Chiriches is young, and, as I understand it, is on relatively low wages. Kaboul situation will be resolved next June, if not sooner. You don't have to name players to your PL squad and Europa League squad. Chirches could only be listed on the Europa and Kaboul only on the PL (where we'd like to see him playing). Now, if Vertonghen goes and Musacchio doesn't come about, then it is not numbers we are worried about, rather quality. COYS
peterballb
11/08/2014 17:49:00
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King26, I would replace him with Benteke or Bony. Similar, not as good admittedly but they won't cost 100k a week. I cannot understand why we have a DoF, the manager knows who he wants. Let him give targets and let Levy do the deal. We are not alone this year, Utd in turmoil, it's at CB we have massive issues, I just hope Musacchio is decent and coming.
RAF Yid
11/08/2014 17:57:00
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Frank - as DOF, Baldini is surely responsible for selling players on, not just signing them. You have to ask, exactly what does he do for his huge salary? As for the Vlad debate, I don't think he will want to be 3rd choice. So if we do sign Musacchio, then I think he is off, or he stays if he is first choice next to Verts. As for Danny boy, Joe Lewis surely by now can see how many opportunities has been missed to move us up a level and become a regular top 4 side. As was said on previous thread, Arsenal are coming out of their huge debt tunnel and pretty soon, they will be able to channel all that income into the club. Wenger has guided them through a financial minefield and come out the other side. The man deserves credit for that.
vicspur
11/08/2014 17:58:00
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vicspur - when Utd strolled to the Prem title in Fergie's last season they had 5 centre halves - Rio, Vidic, Jones, Smalling and Evans. None of them got frustrated and they dealt with injuries. We shouldn't think of anyone as 3rd choice. We just need to switch them out seamlessly and make sure they understand how to play in Poch's system. That is why Vlad could be so important.
muttley
11/08/2014 18:02:00
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Frank, the "Magnificent Seven" still have a market value of over 100M and they all underperformed last season. It's not a matterof poor business, necessarily, but more how quickly each and every one of them was rushed in to the lineup. Capoue has looked very good in pre-season and more of a value than what we paid. Eriksen, the second half of last season was very good indeed, and is valued higher than he was bought for. Paulinho looked very useful until he got crunched, but still managed to score goals. His value has not diminished, nor has Chadli's who never really got it going last season. Chiriches has been out more than in, so it's hard to say, but he was not bought for big money so there must still be value there. Both Soldado an Lamela have a wayys to go. Soldado has looked very lively in pre-season and is not only scoring goals but has looked very fluid in the build-up which is why he has got 4 assists. Lamela and eriksen are both players that will look like they have done nothing and will either wind up with a couple of assists or will have a moment of brilliance and be the centre of attention. It's frustrating to watch them play. That said, if they can work some magic on corners and free kicks, their values could be huge.. I expect a great year from Eriksen, far better from Lamela and Soldado, for Chadli to show why we bought him (has pretty much the same skill set as Lallana), for Capoue to dominate and for Paulinho to become more consistent and dynamic. All in all, I am encouraged, though the proof will be what comes out on the pitch. COYS
peterballb
11/08/2014 18:02:00
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Frank, the signings were Baldini and Levy deals, why not let AVB pick his targets? Moutinho was one, whatever happens all 3 should be singing off the same song sheet. We don't. Peter, CB is massive, Kaboul won't be bothered, Musaccahio not signed yet, Dawson is not good enough, his testimonial means nothing to him, it's always a charity game anyway?? Vertonghen might go yet!!
RAF Yid
11/08/2014 18:03:00
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Rex you are right, bit of an own goal from me... Bony being African (I was thinking he was Belgium but that's Lukaku isn't it) is totally useless. I don't know why Africa degrade their players so much by having a tournament every 2 years, 4 is normal, 3 would be bearable but 2 is ridiculous.
T.H.F.Chris
11/08/2014 18:04:00
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Benteke is a far better player than Bony. Creates far more for others, wins balls back far more than most up-top players. He is a very complete player. Bony is not and I suspect there is more to things than meet the eye because Swansea seem pretty determined to see the back of him, which seems somewhat odd. COYS
peterballb
11/08/2014 18:05:00
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It's actually the timing of the ACN which is really the problem. If it was in July no one would complain.
BelgianSpur
11/08/2014 18:08:00
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Peter agree in principle with Benteke but I don't like injured players, you never know who they'll come back.
T.H.F.Chris
11/08/2014 18:09:00
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Belgium yeah timing is a massive problem but you can't really blame them for that.. I assume they pick Feb-ish as it is the best/coolest time to play football out there... Choosing to do it every other season though is just thick.
T.H.F.Chris
11/08/2014 18:16:00
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T.H.F.Chris, Benteke, like Rodriguez, are for the January window (when Adebayor would be off at ACN anyway). I would not get Bony. Remy makes more sense but for the wage demands. COYS
peterballb
11/08/2014 18:20:00
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I admire, but cannot share the optomism of those who stillthink Musacchio will still be coming, it has gone to quie for too long, even for a Spurs deal, where momentum is never the order of the day, I am afraid it is dead and buried, but perhaps it suits our hierarchy to have us believe it is still live. Nothing appears to be happening with either this or the deal for the young yankee full back.
Frank
11/08/2014 18:28:00
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Yeah remy over Bony... Something must be up with him if no one wants him on the cheap though...?
T.H.F.Chris
11/08/2014 18:29:00
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The common denominator is Levy. We have a perennial unbalanced squad because the buying criteria isn't buying round pegs for round holes, more on financial considerations, price, selling on potential and availability, we have been lucky with the Bales etc but luck has a tendency to run out when you most need it.

People see him as an astute businessman, I see him as a property developer that should stay away from football matters and stick with bricks and mortar, Sainsbury is looking good on our site. Better than the stadium.
ItalianYiddo
11/08/2014 18:54:00
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I admire, but cannot share the optomism of those who stillthink Musacchio will still be coming, it has gone to quie for too long, even for a Spurs deal, where momentum is never the order of the day, I am afraid it is dead and buried, but perhaps it suits our hierarchy to have us believe it is still live. Nothing appears to be happening with either this or the deal for the young yankee full back.
Frank
11/08/2014 19:07:00
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Actually THF Chris, February is one of the hottest months in Africa below the equator, and just as hot either side of it. its only cooler further up north near the Med in February.
For me the definite outs are Khumalo and BAE, reducing the squad to 30. Players mentioned in the news regularly as sellable so far are: Dawson, Sandro, Naughton, Kaboul (hope not), Chadli, Townsend, possibly Capoue (i havent read that one tho, hope not), Soldado. I C Kyle Walker's name has come up today as a Barca target, wondered why we were after USA player, and why he (Walker) is still 'injured'. Same worry about Verts, altho the Vermaelen tfer must have stung his hopes of Barca.
Both Kane and Holtby were sought by MP when at Southhampton last season, or so i recall reading, so i think they are reasonably secure. What is Kane's age, is he a free pick?.
of the fringe players, Carroll, Bentalib, Mason, Ceballos, Fryers, Obika, i'm not sure how many there are U21, available as free picks, possibly only Bent and Fryers? of the rest, they need to be loaned or sold. Only one i would look at is Mason, and he and Bentalib are fighting for the same spot IMO.
10iscoach
11/08/2014 19:09:00
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sorry about the double post.
Frank
11/08/2014 19:09:00
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Re. a comparison between Remy and Bony. Personally I would prefer Bony, but ironically, although his wage demands (£80K/Wk) are higher, Remy would probably be cheaper over a 4 year deal. Remy could be bought for circa £10M, and his wages would cost £16.6M over 4 years. Bony's release clause is set at £19M, and his wages, at for argument's sake £50K/Wk over 4 years, would cost £10.4M. This means that Bony's total cost over 4 years is £29.4M, and Remy's total cost for the same period would be £26.6M. The only financial gain in favor of Bony would be, if he can be got at a "bargain fee", and due to his age, his higher probable sell on value.
Frank
11/08/2014 19:22:00
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Absolutely Rex Vulgaris, at last others are beginning to see the woods from the trees, I have been saying exactly as you have posted. ever since the CL QF season, it is as plain as your nose on your face. The failure to build on that CL performance, spoke volumes about ENIC/Lewis/Levy's total lack of on the pitch ambition, their commitment to success, and their "vision" for the club going forward, this amounting to ensuring cheap and cheerful mediocraty, the only underlying criteria being to stay as apparent proxy contenders in the PL in the top 6-10, to maintain the value of the business come selling day.
Frank
11/08/2014 19:35:00
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Rex, sadly I think you may be right, meanwhile idiots like me are still buying the dream, season in season out.
ItalianYiddo
11/08/2014 19:37:00
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OK, before I read any comments: To be loaned out to any top tier leagues out of Europe's big 6 where they'll get regular football:- Carrol, Bentaleb, Fryers, Fredricks and Velkovich? To be definitely sold:- BAE and Dawson Possible sales:- any one of Paulinho and Dembele. I'd be happy enough if no one else came in; that is, assuming everyone is motivated...
alee
11/08/2014 19:38:00
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ItalianYiddo, I hope all is well with you and yours. Saw the news the other day. Congrats. While I do wish that ENIC would leave their coaches to do what they need to do, I do not believe for a second that Levy runs around identifying players and looking for deals. The scouts and Baldini do all that and recommend it to Levy who either approves it or ot. I am sure the coach is allowed to submit his list of players he would like, but, as per policy (and while it sucks, it's hard to argue it is incorrect) there is a valuation that our organization submits for all players and when the numbers do not fit, we do not bite. Schneiderlin is rated as an 8M player by transfermarkt. We apparently bid 12M which was viewed as an insult because they wanted 27M. Frankly, if my people told me that 12M was the lower end of our valuation (no way is he worth more than 17M) you can't just stump 27M because they say so and our coach wants him. The fact that THFC continue to get their valuation means that something is right in the system, no matter how much it frustrates all of us. Yes, he should stay way away from the coaches, but whatever scouting and valuation system is in place seems to be doing the job. Where I do take issue (and there is nothing but conjecture out there to suggest it was the case) is if Leandro, Willian and Moutinho were all within a couple of Million of getting done. In those cases, surely a premium can be paid above and beyond when it is the specific wish of the coach. In that regard, AVB never got any of the players he wanted, and, if they were that close, clearly he never had the support of the board. Harry repeatedly said he had the players he wanted and that there was nothing out there that would make us better. Who is to argue? Maybe he should have used the other 12 players in his squad. As I see it, the only place we need immediate movement is at CB and neither Dawson (there is at least one deal agreed) nor Kaboul (wants his contract to run out unless we will extend) will leave, we are kind of stuck. Dier looked promising the other day. Haven't seen anything of Vertonghen. Dawson looks well off the pace, Kaboul is an injury away and Chiriches is injured. I still think we sign Musacchio and Yedlin and perhaps a striker out of the blue. But then, perhaps we do nothing because players just won't go. COYS
peterballb
11/08/2014 19:53:00
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Sandro and Capoue are stoppers. We need both. The way they play, injuries and cards are a reality. The other needs to be able to step in. MS (if we get him) is not that type of player. Yes, like dembele, he can tackle etc, but he is not that beast in the middle of the park. If we get MS, he and Dembele become the same type of player which is why, for me, Dembele should go, or just don't get MS and get Dembele getting the ball out quicker. Paulinho and Holtby offer a completely different option in there, when a Dembele/MS type player is not ideal. Once again though, shifting any such players requires that there be a buyer who will pay our valuation and that the player is willing to go. That's a lot of IF's. Rather see what we can get out of Dembele and if it is not working, look to MS in January. COYS
peterballb
11/08/2014 19:58:00
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Peter, I am astounded when you talk about, and refer to as though gospel, "the official club statement" when discussing the AVB departure, or indeed any other subject concerning THFC. I personally wouldn't believe a statement from Daniel Levy, if he told me Saturday always follows Friday, I would have to check my diary. The man is an habitual liar, as the old saying says "a bigger liar than Tom Pepper". Make no mistake any club statement released, will formulate and explain the argument to suit Levy's agenda, so why on earth take any notice of "official club statements", all they consist of is "the gospel according to Levy".
Frank
11/08/2014 20:00:00
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We should have dealt with all our signings before the start of the season, we will start the season again not knowing who is going to be sold or purchased, harder for new players to get settled into the team. Get players out now whoever they are and sort the squad out.
Kong
11/08/2014 20:06:00
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All good Peter, thank you all round. I think you are a little lenient on Levy, I am sure the coach was aware of the LB weakness last season and I am also sure he didn't want all the midfielders that we ended up with, I still think that financials come before the good of the squad. Of course any business that pays over the top for merchandise is ill fated but some times you have to do what you have to do to drive that business forward, I don't see the will from ENIC to drive us forward.
ItalianYiddo
11/08/2014 20:06:00
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What an utter load of nonsense. They don't want top 4. Why would they? Turnover was 20-30M more the season we played in the CL. Why would they wan that? We probably got more bonuses etc from sponsors as well. Again, wy would they want that. Of course they want CL. Why else would they have hired AVB? Could have just promoted Sherwood to continue on for Harry. Would have cost way less. We could also easily have pocketed the Bale monies, sold Lloris, bought Vorm, sold Vertonghen, bought Ferdinand or Agger and pocketed the new TV monies. We'd already have 175M minimum in pocket and be no more likely to drop down the table. We may fall out of Europe, but then that would llow us to offload another 4 or 5 players to generate 50M to add to next year's 30M plus TV monies. Tat would have us at 250M, and still we'd be able to hover above mid-table. There is no doubt it is economically better to be in the CL. No doubt at all, and none of that will change that our turnover will still remain in the 150-180M GBP range depending on CL or not. None of that changes the salaries we can afford or the transfer ees we can ship out. There will still be a budget and FFPR. COYS
peterballb
11/08/2014 20:06:00
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I want to see what Dembele can do playing for pochettino as I feel there is a very good player waiting to come out. He can be a huge part for us this season if he can stay fit.
Kong
11/08/2014 20:08:00
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I think Frank likes Levy less than I do and that is not a lot.
ItalianYiddo
11/08/2014 20:11:00
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