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A lot has been said about the way AVB set about the task of developing a squad capable of breaking the top 4 stranglehold.

We'll never know now the full reasons behind his departure, or whether given more time/money/influence he would have been ultimately successful. Things are never black and white are they? He did get a record points haul but failed to win the hearts and minds of the fans, club management and I think in the end the players too.

Its water under the bridge and a new day has dawned with the coming of the Pochettino era but can we already see similarities in the two approaches? Maybe not in the absurdly high line, but with the deployment of two holding midfielders and one striker. Do you remember the prolonged debates we had about the inversion of wingers? Does the floating 4 have echoes of that?

Clearly there will be differences of emphasis and how well Mr P inculcates his ideas to the squad. Then there is the question of horses for courses. Is there a 'best eleven' to be deployed for crunch games and cup finals, injuries permitting, or different set-ups with different personnel for different circumstances?

For quite a long time I thought that AVB was going to come good. Whilst the football was beautiful at times under Harry, results against the top teams were poor and eventually the bus parkers found ways of having us over. To his credit, AVB changed that to in his first season a large extent; we became hard to beat and our away record was tremendous.

Unfortunately we then seemed unable to get any fluency at home and the rest is history. So what advice do you give Mr P? Play the same Spurs way home and away or deploy different systems and personnel? Is Bentaleb better than Dembele in either scenario? Will Paulinho get us more goals on the counter attack away from home? Is Lennon more disciplined than Lamela. Who helps us rescue the lost cause or batten down the hatches to see out the last 10 minutes?

Are any of these considerations pertinent in who to buy and who to sell? Put yourself in his shoes and indulge in a little punditry, home and away.

Written by Love totty



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Writer:Love totty
Date:Wednesday August 27 2014
Time: 4:02PM

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In Poch I trust! COYS!
Critical_Spur
27/08/2014 16:06:00
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Nice article, though I feel it is way to early to be advising/predicting how and whom to play and the formations. We've had two relatively easy games so far. It is against Liverpool that we get a truer assessment of not only the squad, players, but more so the REAL test for the manager. Thus far Poch has impressed with his quad management. His substitutions have been virtually spot on. Come Sunday final whistle, we will have a better idea. COYS!
Critical_Spur
27/08/2014 16:10:00
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Team and tactics are dictated by the opposition and the ground we're playing in. I'm hopeful Mr Poch has the nous to alter the team and style to fit the circumstancec. IMPIT too!
longtimespur
27/08/2014 16:11:00
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He failed to impress enough fans / management alike and that is why he isn't at the helm anymore. I hope this doesn't turn into a massive AVB discussion. I'm much too excited about Lamela, Chadli and Dier showing form to debate old news!

I can't see MoPo changing anything from the QPR game for when we vs Liverpool, but I think MoPo will rotate the team based on what he thinks will work against different opposition.
RyanHotSpur
27/08/2014 16:12:00
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May be a consensus here! Also think we have enough squad depth in the midfield department to play a wide range of formations and tactics that may work as equally sufficient as each other.
RyanHotSpur
27/08/2014 16:14:00
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I'd be just as much interested in knowing where Soldado fits in to Poch's plans. I expect him to start against Limassol, but what about his PL appearnaces, considering the way the checmistry with Lamela, Eriksen + Lennon worked in pre-season? Dependent upon Schneider's potential move, Sandro may again be left out... at the same time, need to be avoiding burn-outs with the likes of Capoue.
Critical_Spur
27/08/2014 16:17:00
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I think we may have finally got the man dan as been trying to get since enic came in so i am totally with critical spur on this one. All signs are good so far that poch is a winner throw and throw.coys
bazdog
27/08/2014 16:21:00
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Critical - perhaps I am being overly critical and judging Soldado on his poor goal tally last season but I personally hope we can recoup some money for the lad. I much prefer Kane as it stands and I think he has worked hard enough to deserve some repaid faith. He has looked a much more confident player since the backend of last season. Had a great pre-season too. Obviously 2 strikers isn't a great number to work with across all competitions so I would expect a replacement, but who that's likely to be if anything materialises I'm not sure.

As for Sandro I can't see him fitting into Pochettino's system currently. Bentaleb and Dembele look to be the like the main candidates to play alongside Capoue, and I think this helps to play the fast flowing pressing football we're trying to play. Love Sandro but I can see him being replaced in the near future for someone with a bit more agility on and off the ball.
RyanHotSpur
27/08/2014 16:26:00
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Reading comments on his time at Southampton the one thing that really seemed to screw up Pochettino's system was when the opposition played with two out and out strikers and his central defenders found themselves one v one. Of course it tends to be the better teams that play that way. The one thing our new system lacks is pace up front, you are really depending on the full backs to supply it, that could be a problem in some situations. One obvious problem would be if teams with wingers pinned back our full backs since we are so dependent on them for width. How the opposition set up is more important than whether we are home or away. Of course as QPR showed the attitude is even more important than the formation. You can tweak things without actually changing the formation. You could leave out Capoue, play Bentalab as the anchor and bring in another midfield player as the utility man if you didn't think you were going to be under much pressure. Conversely a midfield pairing of Capoue and Sandro (if he's still here) would boost the defence at the cost of less support for the attackers, you could stiffen the defence a bit further by swapping one of the three behind the striker for Bentalab again at the cost of the attack. Pochettino has already shown he's prepared to play Townsend and Lennon as part of his three and has said you need to use 25 players in a season not 11. I suspect the basic structure will be pretty much as we saw on Sunday. How the manager tweaks it for different situations and how well he rotates players will be the test.
jod
27/08/2014 16:31:00
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I think that an exciting difference between AVB and pochettino is that the Argentinian will clearly encourage our attacking creative players to be totally free to create, overlap, and pretty much do what they like, whereas AVB seemed to be dictating exactly what he wanted all over the pitch and therefore while we were harder to beat nothing flowed naturally for us in the final third. I think an approach of having strict roles, discipline and hard work in defence and getting the ball back, but allowing the creative players freedom is the way to go, but this was clearly not on the AVB agenda except for Bale. We have already seen what players like lamela and ericsson are capable of when let loose...
Guernman
27/08/2014 16:35:00
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Pinched from sporting life website. Poch: "I think we have to play a lot of games and it is possible you play tomorrow, then don't play in the next Premier League game, but the most important thing is understanding that we need to choose for the games..... "It is only 11 in each game after that another three impact players come in..... "We have an unbelievable squad and my job is not only to put my philosophy in the club or on the pitch on how we need to play, but I need choice and that is my job.".......
MAN ON!
27/08/2014 16:35:00
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I think we have a squad equipped to deal with anything but the worst injury crisis. In terms of formations we have the players to play any kind of system but our squad is certainly more suited to a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 system. We still need to ship out a few players because the squad as we all know is bloated if anything. Given the rumours and such like I'd say if we moved on Sandro, Mason, BAE and Chiriches and brought in Fazio I'd say we would have a pretty balanced squad with lots of quality and depth all over the pitch. Im not expecting any of this but if that was what happened over the next couple of days I'd say we done good.
Greekos
27/08/2014 16:38:00
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MP talking about the CB's.... "We need to have different options in this position," he said. "Okay, we have Younes Kaboul, we have Vertonghen, we have Vlad, we have Dier, we have Fryers, Veljkovic..... "All different players, all different characteristics and it's important to add some players and after you can choose in every game the best options."
MAN ON!
27/08/2014 16:40:00
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MAN ON!, when I read quotes like that (Sporting Life), I get a buzz! The man is making all the right noises and so far his decision making has been great. Before anyone reminds me, yes, it's early days and work in progress. I like the WHOLE philosophy adopted by the WHOLE club......so far! COYS!
Critical_Spur
27/08/2014 16:41:00
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I've read reports that Robbie won't be fit for tomorrow night, something about back/neck niggles? This will give Kane a chance to show what he can do, and I'd love to see him gobble it up. He's paid his dues, bided his time, and the Europa League might be just the showcase he's been waiting for. I think Jod's point about attitude being as/more important than formation. Placement and position(s) can be tweaked in-game, but mentality is either their from the get-go or not at all. There seems to be a great togetherness about our lot so far, and even (dare I say it?!) a touch of the old confidence/arrogance that we're usually accused of but very rarely shown of late. We all know it's early days, but so far they're lovely and sunny onest!! Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
27/08/2014 16:42:00
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BTW, MAN ON!, you are becoming very good at cut 'n paste! Keep it up as not everyone scours the web to share such snippets. Coopsie was great at it! COYS!
Critical_Spur
27/08/2014 16:42:00
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in the qpr game we saw Vrtonghan come in for the suspended Naughton with Dier moving to right back and Chadli in for Lennon. i think Poch spotted QPR are a big side and bringing in Chadli made alot of sense to help defend set pieces. Good common sense Poch
spurs-stelios
27/08/2014 16:43:00
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Should have said I *Like* Jod's point......and no, that's NOT a Carry On double entendre!!!
LilyWhiteHart
27/08/2014 16:43:00
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AVB and Harry both became predictable when playing at home to the lesser teams, time will tell with MP, very impressed with pass accuracy on Sunday, bodes well.
Thats Entertainment
27/08/2014 16:53:00
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One of the problems with AVB was getting men into the box, i couldnt understand why no-one was moving forward into the danger area during his time with us. All very well holding the ball in the final 3rd waiting for that perfect opportunity but against disciplined teams parking the bus that opportunity never comes. You have to gamble by getting forward, thats what I enjoyed about the QPR game, the players got forward in numbers got goals.
coys1717
27/08/2014 16:57:00
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Coys1717, another thing of note v QPR was the number of time we broke with intent, often 3 v 3 but for the final ball or the control letting us down. With time the chemistry will improve and I expect to see some of the 'lower end' teams to get truly battered. The lads never took their foot off the pedal for the whole 90 mins. COYS!
Critical_Spur
27/08/2014 17:05:00
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Some sensible posts - agree that as supporters we sometimes get ahead of ourselves but nothing wrong with that, we're allowed to! Going to stick my neck out and say that Poch certainly looks the business - looking forward to Sunday.
Durbanspur
27/08/2014 17:06:00
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Couldn't agree more with Bazdog's point... Great start - hope it keeps going .... Coaches do make a difference - this is a case in point - so far !!!
Highgatespur
27/08/2014 17:06:00
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Like that sentiment in your last post Critical .... My regret is that I'm not there !!! COTMS !!!
Highgatespur
27/08/2014 17:08:00
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Signings are also very important, and it's important you have a coach that knows what signings are needed to actually improve the team, regardless of whether it is on the pitch (Dier) or off the pitch (Davies, pushing Rose).

Extremely happy with our transfer business this window, which is something I've never said before. We've had a much needed defensive overhaul, and the only thing that I believe remains outstanding is a fox in the box striker.
RyanHotSpur
27/08/2014 17:13:00
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Highgate, I truly feel for you mate....and I mean that most sincerely. Your attachment to Spurs comes through every post of yours. Still, no doubt your distant attachment and the unfolding of Poch era will keeps you well engrossed this season......starting this Sunday! BTW, you working long hours there? My bro in Petro chemical was out there for a while....12-18 hr shifts appeared the norm!
Critical_Spur
27/08/2014 17:19:00
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we have our new CB. its official
topspur53
27/08/2014 17:22:00
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Correction: Harry had better record vs top 4 than AVB. AVB was FAR worse vs bus parkers. It is far too early to judge Poch, but AVB never really had our team looking good on the pitch - vs weak teams, middling teams, strong teams. Eventually AVB may have got it going a bit, but the football was not inspiring confidence, and the results and thrashings just made it too much to bear. Poch has already got us looking good in his second team. The passing looks infinitely better thus far. Bigger tests to follow, so lets see.
TonyRich
27/08/2014 17:23:00
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Absolutely critical, if pooch gets the mix right we should be a pretty dangerous team this year.
coys1717
27/08/2014 17:24:00
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I still think we lack options up front, after all we have just 3 recognised strikers, in Adebayor who is likely to go to the ACON in January if Togo qualify, no doubt returning in his own time, as he does, and who is likely at any time, to throw his toys out of the pram, and sulk, as he has before. We also have Soldado, a striker who just doesn't "strike", and just does not appear to be the type to profit in the EPL, appears fragile, and already he is apparently injured, after very few minutes, but unfortunately won't be greatly missed. Then we have Harry Kane, a very promising young player destined for great things, if he continues to develop, but is he ready for regular and sustained exposure to PL games. The question is, do these players give us sufficient options to cover all formations, injuries, loss of form, suspensions, or change in attitude and motivation (Adebayor). Is any one of them likely to bag 15-20 PL goals this season, I doubt it. Yes we have some exciting AMFers who will come up with some goals, but any good team, still needs a striker/strikers who can occupy defenders, and force the opposition to take notice, and change their tactics to deal with him/them. We talk about how we should set up to counter the opposition, but appear to talk less about how we might force the good teams to worry about us. Without a threatening striker/s we are unlikely to do so. I think it rather disappointing that we have had the 3 months of the window to sort out what has been a long standing problem, previously masked by Gareth Bale's goal returns, but now that he has gone, an obvious shortcoming, without anybody being seriously mentioned. Because we scored 4 goals at the weekend v QPR, we should not think that the problem has gone away, after all, how much trouble did we cause a very moderate West Ham in the first game, until Eric Dier cropped up.
Frank
27/08/2014 17:25:00
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SSN on screen saying we have signed the defender on a four year deal
BigSpursFan
27/08/2014 17:27:00
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Fazio is a Spurs player, registration with the FA done
spu 4 life
27/08/2014 17:28:00
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Just saw that BSF. Who's next?

Quite alot of transfers considering MoPo said we shouldn't expect any this window lol
RyanHotSpur
27/08/2014 17:28:00
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Frank, I think it will be a rarity to see 2 up top in any game, unless we are chasing it in the final 10 mins. there is (for a change) plenty creativity and goals in the supporting AM's. I agree though an injury + ANC could scupper that department.
Critical_Spur
27/08/2014 17:30:00
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FAZIO confirmed on Spurs Twitter ..
Yidmarks
27/08/2014 17:31:00
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Yep. A few people have commented on the main apparent difference. AVB seemed to practically ban runs/numbers in the box, and crosses into the box. There may have been reasons - i.e. a tactic such as do not cross unless in certain scenarios. But it just meant that nothing happened. Our wingers suffered as a result, and Bale hence asked to go central... To me, the whole point of having 3 attackers behind a front man is to buzz around and baffle the defenders. They need a degree of freedom within obvious limits, and AVB was far too rigid for me. He did not have the defence for his insane high line at Chelsea or us, yet still persevered with it. He did not have the Porto-style strikeforce to play his system either, yet persevered without looking like succeeding. His first season at Spurs had good results overall, but we never looked convincing. Yes win ugly, but that luck eventually runs out unless you end up doing well in games generally.
TonyRich
27/08/2014 17:32:00
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Fazulous news! COYS!
Critical_Spur
27/08/2014 17:32:00
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http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/9443160/mauricio-pochettino-says-roberto-soldado-and-andros-townsend-remain-in-tottenham-plans
Critical_Spur
27/08/2014 17:36:00
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Welcome to WHL Fazio.. You great big Argentinian donkey you!
MAN ON!
27/08/2014 17:36:00
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Personally I am not getting carried away yet, two easy games lets see what happens Sunday.

From what I can see away games we probably will not press so high due to opposition pressing forward, but at home I think we will press more.

I see a difference between Poch and AVB in the forward attacking play. Under Poch the forward players are moving more and rotating more, sticking to orders but not sticking rigidly to a position.

I see imporvement that area. However, we haven't been tested enough to know how he will respond to better teams, whether he will employ the same game plan. I think the system suits us having a DM (Capoue) and Bentaleb as being able to defend and attack but I would prefer to see two DM against Liverpool, Capoue and Sandro although that is unlikely to happen as Sandro hasn't played enough.

We don't know how defense will cope either, Rose and Vertonghen are last seasons players and so is Kaboul but will our new signing play a big part this season and what about Dier he has done very well.

From what I can see Poch will use the whole squad and rotate players especially the forward line, keep them fresh.
BigSpursFan
27/08/2014 17:38:00
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Frank - yep we look a tad light up front. However it was clear that the defence was a priority - as it was neglected the season before. 4 signings there, and we are stronger. However like others, I think that we are ok for now. I would rather wait and see what Ade - Soldado - Kane can do now that our system is loosened up. Benteke to come back to fitness before January, and we could pounce there if the guy finds his form.
TonyRich
27/08/2014 17:38:00
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The Key thing is for us to BUILD on the current positivity. Reports seem to indicate players want to stay, players united, players enjoying themselves under Poch & belief. What Levy has to try to do (not always possible) is deliver on what Poch wants - hopefully we have NOT given up on Morgan S or Jay R coming in & Sandro, Paulinho & Townsend making way. Spurs community rumours indicate still trying with above (maybe a loan for Paulinho - as stock dropped sooo much). Lets see - just need to trust the manager & support him (clearly with Moutinho & william we didn't with AVB).
Windlespur
27/08/2014 17:39:00
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Don't know much about Fazio, but all I got from this article was, exceptionally good in the air but.. Titus Bramble. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2177289-is-federico-fazio-future-tottenham-hotspur-transfer-bust
Guyver
27/08/2014 17:42:00
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Tottenham Hotspur ‏@SpursOfficial 8m.......... "@Fede2Fazio: I come to Tottenham because I think it’s a very good team, a very good club, very good fans." #WelcomeFazio........ One Federico... There's only one.... Sorry, Who's Federico? I call him Fantazio! He must be good, he plays for Spurs!
MAN ON!
27/08/2014 17:44:00
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Welcome Mr Fazio - let's be having you !!!
Highgatespur
27/08/2014 17:44:00
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Will he still be here in 9 1/2 years from now? One Michael Dawson.....
MAN ON!
27/08/2014 17:48:00
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Fantazio! is that a walt disney film?
spu 4 life
27/08/2014 17:50:00
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If his with us for 9 1/2 years he will be nearly 39, so I would no
spu 4 life
27/08/2014 17:52:00
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Guyver - That link has painted Fazio in such an awful light. I hope he is far less of a liability than those snippets show!
RyanHotSpur
27/08/2014 18:00:00
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3 wins from 3 games...7 goals scored, one conceded. Cannot ask for more !?.....except please repeat in the next 3 games.
82spursdebut
27/08/2014 18:05:00
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From a thoroughly good guy to a very naughty boy... I can't wait for the Chelsea match.
MAN ON!
27/08/2014 18:05:00
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Folks put the tissues away - ole Michael will do ok on £50k a week ... Here's to the future ... Don't know about the new bloke but we do have Dier super Verts(hopefully) chirches fryers Kaboul et al ... The future is bright !!! COTMS !!!
Highgatespur
27/08/2014 18:09:00
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Highgatespur... So, where in the Middle East are you and what is your new job?
MAN ON!
27/08/2014 18:13:00
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Frank ... Sorry but if I didn't feel down about Spurs you sure would make me. You must be a real fun guy to drink with. I'm a similar age to you and I think that, with your negativity, I would have died by now. We can't play the same football we used to in the 50/60s as much as I'd love to. Lighten up and look forward to this new season under a new manager that the players seem to have taken to and want to play for. Yes we have deficiencies but we seem to be trying to fill them. COYS
longtimespur
27/08/2014 18:15:00
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82spursdebut - great start so far ... Yet why are people tempted compare a egotistical one with another one - I will never know ... All signings are the ones we needed and NONE predicted by the beloved ITKs!!! COTMS !!!
Highgatespur
27/08/2014 18:16:00
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hope the guy does well, was obviously second choice after we failed to get the Musacchio deal over the line. lets hope he proves to be the right 1 afterall
spurs-stelios
27/08/2014 18:16:00
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Critical - yup it's difficult but there are worse things ... Luckily no long hours as such out by 6 back by 5 which is a lot less than in England !!! B****y boiling here though and no one seems to have heard of spurs here !!!
Highgatespur
27/08/2014 18:18:00
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Not sure this defender is that fast which may be a problem in the Pl but apparently he is good in the air. We will have to see and trust Poch has made the right decision, besides did any of us have any idea of any of the signings.
BigSpursFan
27/08/2014 18:23:00
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Not fast but good in the air and only 3 years younger than Dawson... Michael, not fast, very good in the air and only 3 years older than Fazio.
MAN ON!
27/08/2014 18:26:00
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BSF that's my point - none of us do know what signings we are going to make - we don't make claims that we know a bit more than others whereas ITKs do ... It's a moot point really...
Highgatespur
27/08/2014 18:30:00
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angelodundee-I think his ability in the air is what is impressive but his tackles and pace are not as good although I read he has improved on dealing with pacey forwards. I thought Dawson was a problem because his lack of pace so unsure why we have gone for a player who isn't the fastest. Compared to the other defender he made half as many tackles but won twice as many headers, so why the turnaround. If Poch wanted a tackler in Musacchio why then go for a header when that deal fell through. I suppose we have to trust Poch second choice. Welcome to the lane
BigSpursFan
27/08/2014 18:34:00
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Ali, Bomaye....... Let's get ready to rubble!
MAN ON!
27/08/2014 18:35:00
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Highgatespur.... So, where in the Middle East are you and what is your new job?
MAN ON!
27/08/2014 18:39:00
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I've read that Fazio has a good interception stat as well as his aerial prowess.
longtimespur
27/08/2014 18:40:00
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In Kuwait Man On! S'pose My posts will irritate you from further afield as you can continue to mock them from your place...
Highgatespur
27/08/2014 18:42:00
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Possibly 3m for Dawson and 8m for Fazio.
MAN ON!
27/08/2014 18:43:00
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Highgatespur. I've not been mocking you.... I was genuinely interested. What is your line of work?
MAN ON!
27/08/2014 18:44:00
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yeah and i am flying the moon tomorrow and all highgate
tarkan mardinCOYS
27/08/2014 18:44:00
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I read Fazio was £8mill + vat @20% and Daws was £6 mill
longtimespur
27/08/2014 18:45:00
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I also read £6 mill but just saw 3m on another website. I think it must be closer to 6m
MAN ON!
27/08/2014 18:48:00
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all the best michael dawson,so brutally hounded out of whl it seems
tarkan mardinCOYS
27/08/2014 18:48:00
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League cup draw tonight, wonder who we'll get?
longtimespur
27/08/2014 18:50:00
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Poch must know very well what Fazio is all about. Ardiles has said he doesn't really know him but Mauricio has spoken highly of him. If he starts off as well as Dier, we'll be alright.
MAN ON!
27/08/2014 18:51:00
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Highgate, I spent 3 weeks working in Kuwait in 1997 and yes it is hot!! Good thing is the food is brilliant and cheap. This is from Maldives had to log in thru facebook for some reason. Enjoy and watch as we win the league albeit on your laptop as I have to do when working in Azerbaijan.
Michael Macdonnell
27/08/2014 18:51:00
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Look North, my local TV news program welcomed Dawson and said around £3mill. So who knows?
longtimespur
27/08/2014 18:51:00
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Vital Members League Table

RankNamePoints
1.Nick Real Deal68
2.Highgatespur52
3.80deg16minW41
4.Falstaff the Fool40
5.Tino25
6.Critical_Spur24
7.Real Deal24
8.Mr Happy23
9.MAN ON!19
10.Sir Dick Caan18
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