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Tim Says; No Top Four!

Tim Says; No Top Four!

To some it will be just sour grapes, but Tim Sherwood, claims we are a top striker away from being a top four team this season, but to others, he will be spot on.

Perhaps this article is and should be far beyond the opinion of a former employee, however, I think that if we are honest, our realistic status is more top six that the Champions league top four, whether that is due to a lack of class at the top of the team or just a general lack of quality or something else.

Even when we consider that Chelsea look have done some exceptional business and balanced the books, the others of the Manchester`s, Liverpool and Arsenal have spent around £240m more than they have recouped, whilst only Southampton have made more from their summer activity that we have.

Spending money is of course, no guarantee of success, but history shows it helps a hell of a lot and is is becoming harder and harder, just to keep on track with the nations elite beyond the short term, without the ability to but big and buy the best?

Some will point to Spain and last seasons superb season for Athletico Madrid, however will they back that up and beat Barca and Real again after their mass spending and Athletico`s more Spurs like balancing of the books? Time will tell, but whats the betting that they return to the pool below Spain`s massive two sooner rather than later.

Sadly, I always judge a teams long term potential on its ability to spend and then its status in the game. No Champions league is an obvious negative, however if you are a Manchester United, you can get away with it for a while, just as long as you have the ability to pay massive wages and still be seen as playing for an elite club.

Have Spurs ever been seen as a club that might make the breakthrough, as opposed to a club that are most definitely the big four? Its almost always been that we might make the four into a five, but we were always the most likely 5th member and being the Pete Best of football isn`t exactly being a Beatle.

So for me, I will go with a disappointing but realistic 6th place for Spurs this season. My top places are Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, United, Spurs. I can potentially see United pipping Arsenal, however, I can also see Everton nicking our sixth place if we don`t make the required progression. What about you?..

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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Thursday September 4 2014
Time: 8:22AM

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Who's Tim?
MAN ON!
04/09/2014 08:27:00
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Stating the obvious ! does anyone thing we can ? a poll would be good ?
South L/Derry Spurs
04/09/2014 08:28:00
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Man on , C'mon you know Tim ! Statistically our best manager ever
South L/Derry Spurs
04/09/2014 08:32:00
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Can't argue much with your prediction of top teams, Ox.
Geofspurs
04/09/2014 08:48:00
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Tim Says; No Top Four!- finally he get's something right....and OX you seem to be writing off Spurs for the future....a real shame as we finished top4 twice recently but the owners we are so lucky to have (cough, how nice of them to make millions off the back of THFC) would not invest in a couple of quality players...there was of course no guarantee that would have got us CL again but it looked likely at the time and it looks likely in hindsight....we might be able to scrape something out this season but I hope we all enjoy mid table and winning just the odd big game-as that looks likely given the current set up. can we see the like of Lloris, Verts and (if fit) walker staying next year?...just a shame our owners threw in the towel....
shedboy2
04/09/2014 08:57:00
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Agree on your top 4. Can't see us beating Liverpool, Chelsea or Man City in terms of positioning. Hoping Arsenal implode under the pressure, especially as their back line hasn't got too much depth to it. That would be our hope of squeezing into 4th but we need to be beating the smaller teams convincingly this year and try and grind out results against our main competition instead of capitulating like last week. I don't think necessarily think it's just a forward we need although a 20 a season striker is clearly what is missing. Rather, when you look at the top 3 or 4 teams they have world class players in most positions and we simply don't nor could we afford them and nor would they come.... yet. Win the Europa or the FA cup they would be my priorities and then see if we can strengthen next summer inclusive hopefully of our youth having developed even more ala Bentaleb, Dier, Yedlin, Mason, Carrol and Kane. We have an incredibly young side who hopefully under Poch will develop into extremely good or maybe even world class players. I just hope the weight of expectation doesn't crush them like so many others it has at our club before it happens.
Duncan Wood1
04/09/2014 09:05:00
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I haven’t seen a Spurs team as exciting to watch as the 2010 team since the sixties. Okay we’ve had a few good times in between but I loved the way we played and the players that we had four years ago. I really thought we were close to title contenders. It fell apart for lots of reasons, none of which are worth discussing because it’s history, and now I’m resigned to waiting until the next time we are genuine contenders. In the meantime I’ll watch and enjoy every game we play without depressing myself with unrealistic expectations. But, just imagine my joyful surprise if we did manage top four this season. Anything can happen in football ... it's a statistical fact!
Geofspurs
04/09/2014 09:10:00
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It looks like the mouth of the season competition will be between Arry, LVG and TS!
Geofspurs
04/09/2014 09:14:00
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If they become PL class it will be good enough.
Geofspurs
04/09/2014 09:16:00
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I have no expectation on where we should finish this season... My hope is that we can see noticeable improvements in our general play, our attitude and our team ethic. Results, win, lose or draw, do not necessarily reflect these things. Sometimes things go against you but, if the ideas are right and there is self-beleif, even in defeat, then there is room to progress. If we beat Man City one week convincingly, then lose to Stoke the following week, statistically we've gained 3 points but then lost 3 points. If our attitude and play is on a par in both matches then there is hope. If not, then all is not lost either... Pochettino needs time, as does any coach of any club. He needs time to implement his tactics and time to learn from the mistakes, as well as time to assess the good bits. We have a great squad and, somewhere in there, is also a great team. As with most great teams, sometimes you have to take a few steps back before you can advance on up the ladder. Without time to build a solid foundation in MP's own image, he will struggle to maintain any success we may have, short term. We could win the FA cup but, finish in 12th place in the league. It happens. Does this show an improvement, having our first trophy for a good long while? We don't know, until we see it happen... To say that top 6 is our rightful spot is foolish. Surely it's how we go about getting to our final position, throughout an entire season and, not just where we finish. It is possible to finish in 4th again, only to see us drop down the league the following season. It is also possible to build a strong enough foundation this season, that even if we finish in 10th, we have the wherewithal, motivation and strength to gain top 4 in the next. We just don't know. After 3 PL matches, how can any of us be sure, either way.... Up the Spurs!
MAN ON!
04/09/2014 09:19:00
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Tim is spot on. Ade canot be arsed half the time and is very wasteful, Soldado, well he showed us last season how good he is, so it is up to young harry to make a name for himself, but how likley is that. Perhaps we should give Chadli or Dier a shot up front. 8th at the best this seasona nd THB we should put all our eggs in the Europe vase if we want any chance of CL football next season, just hope the Pooch sees that too.
Horny Helen
04/09/2014 09:21:00
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@ Shedboy, Im not exactly writing us off, but am sadly realistic that if there are clubs that can retain stability of sorts and still spend 30-60m every window compared with us almost breaking even year on year, there what else should I expect?
oxfordspur
04/09/2014 09:23:00
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Rex ... Good point. I should have covered that. :-)
Geofspurs
04/09/2014 09:25:00
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OK Tim, thank's for that, then she said ''I like the rimmel look London'' I thought she said ''I want rimming in London'' See how easy it is to get confused?
spu 4 life
04/09/2014 09:28:00
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One thing is certain, wherever we are in the table at the end of the season is where we deserve to be and will show us how we compare to 19 other PL teams.
Geofspurs
04/09/2014 09:28:00
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So what's new? When we finished 4th, no one - even many Spurs fans - thought that we would. Especially the first time. Statistically it is unlikely too. The thing is that no one had Liverpool in top four last season, yet they we odds on to win it 3 games from the end. No one really knows. For me, Chelsea will be 1st. Man C 2nd. But I still see a scrap for 3rd-6th. Liverpool are capable of maintaining top four, but they started poorly and just wait when the CL starts. For them to get top four, everything will have to go swimmingly for them. Arsenal have an amazing array of midfield threat, but without Giroud, I feel they are lacking. As for Spurs, I do not think that we are a striker away. I think that midfield is STILL the problem. Ade scored more than a goal a game last season. We have Soldado to come good, and have the improving Kane. That is fine for what we need. The problem is cutting edge. The only reason that adding a striker may help is that it could add more pace, or could cover injuries/absences. The likelihood is that we will end up 5th/6th, but if we progress in terms of quality of football and bedding in some of the large number of recent signings, then we will be in better position to attack top 4 the following season.
TonyRich
04/09/2014 09:30:00
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To be honest, I don't really expect ManU to be in the top four this year. When Ferguson was in charge, he always had a TEAM there. He then bought one or two major stars at the start of the season and used them to improve the team. Van Gaal is building the team from the bottom up and I think that it will be halfway through the season before they start winning on a regular basis. Our main rivals for top four are Citeh, Chelsea, Liverpool and of course Arsenal. I think that Everton will be up there, but probably won't stay the course as they don't have the strength in depth. If Poch can get the best out of the players available to him, we'll be top 5 or 6 again, and actually in with a genuine shout of winning a cup of some sort. Get the spine of the TEAM in place and tinker with the "stars" next window.
spurboy61
04/09/2014 09:31:00
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Ade scored more than a goal PER TWO GAMES last season....(early in morning...sorry)
TonyRich
04/09/2014 09:32:00
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Who won the england game of musical chairs last night, they kept standing up, warming up, sub's came on, so they dropped out, leaving Townsend and Rose in the final, who won?
spu 4 life
04/09/2014 09:33:00
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I see after the transfer window, we are still in 6th place. COYS
spu 4 life
04/09/2014 09:35:00
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Tony ... I agree. It's the unknown in football that makes it more interesting.
Geofspurs
04/09/2014 09:38:00
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spu ...Rose and AT played a draw ... the music was a variation of Pool's 'you'll never walk alone' called, 'you'll never sit alone'.
Geofspurs
04/09/2014 09:40:00
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Tim is being an @rse. Sorry but he should know better coming out with a statement like that. It's Poch's first season (3 games so far) and does Tim really think we are a striker away from top 4? Rubbish. Pocho has got to his his tactics and playing style wotking with the team first. Surely is going to take a while, a season at least for the team to adapt. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
04/09/2014 09:46:00
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Realistically, anything is possible. With that thought in mind, I predict a top 2 finish and the FA cup.
MAN ON!
04/09/2014 09:47:00
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But, only if we get Tim back for the second half of the season...
MAN ON!
04/09/2014 09:52:00
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Rex agree regarding Soldado. If you're going to spend that amount on a 'fox in the box' striker than at least play to his strengths. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
04/09/2014 09:53:00
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We need to remove Ade from the leading the line role. Far too often when we have the ball Ade is too deep and nobody is in the box. Soldado is by far the best (in the box) striker we have we regarding to finishing. He needs to get a run of games and I believe he'll come good. I'm not saying drop Ade but he needs to be fighting for a front right/left position with the likes of Chadli/Lamela/Kane.

For me we need to line up with a 4-3-3 format and these are our options.

Lloris/Vorm/Friedel
Walker/Naughton....Dier/Kaboul/Fazio/Verts/Vlad....Rose/Davies
Lennon/Paulinho/Dembele/Capoue/Stambouli,/Mason/Eriksen
Wide right/left Townsend/Chadli/Lamela/Ceballos/Adebayor
Central Soldado/Kane.
yiddyboy
04/09/2014 09:54:00
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Lol MAN ON! :) COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
04/09/2014 09:56:00
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Tim's right. We might not get top 4. We also won't have all our foreign stars feeling victimised because Tim hasn't got a clue about diversity of cultures. We won't have to put up with the stupid interviews either. We'll have tactics, formations, competition for places and players improving and enjoying being at Spurs. We'll also have a manager who can give a team-talk in English that isn't just 3 words..."spread out lads".
muttley
04/09/2014 09:59:00
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yiddy ... As Tony pointed out Ade has provided the majority of goals so far. I'm sure he would stay in position more if the team were able to get the ball to him. He wants to be in the game not twiddling his thumbs waiting for nothing. I like the fact that he refuses to be shut out and will chase the ball down or any opposition player that has the ball. I understand it' not his role but when MP sorts out the team and it’s shape I would expect to see Ade staying more in position. The same for Soldado ... nobody was able to get the ball to him in the right way. That’s another aspect teamwork will hopefully improve under MP's direction.
Geofspurs
04/09/2014 10:06:00
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We can all say give MP time, he will need time etc., What if we do finish this season in 10th or lower? It's conceivable that we have a better record against last seasons top 4 but not such a good one against the rest. Will 10th tell us we have regressed? Do we then fire him, regardless of how we've played our football?
MAN ON!
04/09/2014 10:09:00
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Yes I make him right, I see a battle between us United and Everton for 5th, 6th and 7th, I think we will finish 6th this season. I think the liverpool game showed us the level we at.
Ossie
04/09/2014 10:11:00
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A few points to make. Firstly re Atletico, no they won't challenge the top two in Spain every season, they don't have to. The point is they've done it once, that won't be erased from history or the memory of their fans. Their manager will now try and build another team to do it again down the line. It needs to be pointed out that their triumph was due more to attitude and organisation than the quality of their players, man for man the top two had better squads. That's how a club punching above its weight needs to operate. Secondly re Liverpool last season, what that proved was being out of europe is a big advantage, you have more time to prepare your team for each game and a light squad is less of a problem. Sadly not an advantage we will ever get as we are perpetually stranded in the twighlight zone of the europa league. Thirdly I question whether the fans still have the ambition. Poch is apparantly fine if he finishes sixth. AVB and Tim both managed that and were dreadful and had to go. Blind prejudice or fading ambition ?
jod
04/09/2014 10:14:00
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I think we should fire him even if we win the league and all three cups ... just out of habit.
Geofspurs
04/09/2014 10:15:00
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jod ... Do fans have to have ambition? The clubs do, but the fans are all different and are satisfied with different outcomes. Each to his own ... just like the diversity of opinion on here.
Geofspurs
04/09/2014 10:20:00
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jod.. That's kind of the point I'm making because I can't believe that if Pochettino has less success than AVB and Tim, that many supporters will be happy and still saying we have to give the man time. Will all the positive support he is getting now, wither and die if we finish in 7th? After all, both AVB and Tim are seen as failures.
MAN ON!
04/09/2014 10:21:00
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Rex_Vulgaris - Rogers has recruited nine extra players this year. He has stated that he need a bigger squad because of the demands of european football. If a fantasy of extra games not affecting performances makes you happy then fine, rogers lives in the real world.
jod
04/09/2014 10:37:00
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Excellent point Rex...
Ossie
04/09/2014 10:37:00
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Geofspurs - I remember on Sunday Ade chasing a ball that was intended for Chadli, he took over the situation and then looked up to see nobody in the middle, guess what. That's where he should be. Don't get me wrong, I like the fact he is hungry for the ball but he has to know his function in the team and not follow ole Arry's tactics and just run about a bit. I think a front 3 of Ade, Soldado, Lamela would be worth a punt..
yiddyboy
04/09/2014 10:40:00
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It may be easier to win the Europa than finish in the top 4.That would get us in the Champions League, plus a big ,shiny cup to wave around!
Greavesaboveall
04/09/2014 10:43:00
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Rex_Vulgaris - Somehow I have more faith in Rogers assesment than yours, I wonder why that is ...
jod
04/09/2014 10:44:00
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Even if either of AVB or Tim had stayed and we then went on to finish 4th this season, from some quarters there would still be an unbearable sound of discontent and abuse, for either of them during the entire course of the season, despite what they had eventually achieved... I read on here a few days ago someone saying that even if he brought us success, they would not be happy with LVG at Spurs because of his lack of charm! What? Harry was considered 'lucky', by some of the people that didn't like his abrasive, in your face personality and yet Jol was seen as unlucky, if they were seduced by his more softly spoken and charming personality. The results were similar. It was ok for some, if AVB's football was boring and yet not ok for Tim's football to be more lively but, the results were again similar. It seems that a lot of the positivity about Poch is because of his amiable character as much as anything. So, do we give him time because we like him or, because of his talent as a coach? I suppose it's yes to both until such a time that the football isn't working or, he loses it on the sideline, kicks Jesus in the shins and storms off down the Tottenham High Road ranting abuse at the players and fans.
MAN ON!
04/09/2014 10:57:00
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Name me any player in any game you have ever seen that did not makes a mistake or did something he should not really have done. It's easy to pick those things out in any game. I do understand your concern about positioning, yiddy, and I agree with you, I'm just saying that I think there have been reasons for it. When MP has got everything set up the way he wants it Ade will have to play the correct way or sit on the bench. So, I'm not disputing what you say but I do believe that Ade has a lot to offer.
Geofspurs
04/09/2014 11:05:00
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Man on - personality may come into it. But for me, and I think others PROGRESS is more important. I want to see that we are going in the right direction. Let's look at Tim. WRONG direction. We were NEVER going to compete with the big boys playing 4-4-2 with Bentaleb / Chadli / Siggy in the middle and no holding midfielders. We were not even close vs the big boys. He talked as if he knew it all and seen it all - despite having no experience. AVB - well, he took on a 4th placed team that was playing good football and unlucky to not be in the CL. He then turned that into not just dull football, but non-productive football. In the first season we got some good results - like that one at Old Trafford, but performance wise, we should have lost 4-1! The team got record points, but if it wasn't for Bale, (Superman) Vertonghen, and Dempsey pulling off the unexpected, we would have finished lower and it would have been more indicative. The second season showed a more realistic state of affairs. We couldn't create goals, and then started to get hammered. Inverted wingers, playing Townsend despite no tangible benefit, stupidly high line without the players to do it, omitting Ade who subsequently went on to score 1 in 2. Backwards progression and had to go. I would have been happy to stick with AVB or Tim had I saw the future looking bright, but there was no inkling - despite having highest points total stats.
TonyRich
04/09/2014 11:08:00
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Rex - Jod - No one really knows what will happen. I my opinion I believe that Liverpool will have a tougher time trying to replicate last season given the extra games, greater frequency of games, the travel, tiredness, injuries and all other stuff that comes with it. But they have signed 2 strikers to replace the one. Plus bolstered defence. Time will tell if they have done enough to cover. They have a good shout for top four, but I cannot see them being above 3rd/4th. My gut feeling (which may be wrong) is that they will be outside top 4. No one really knows. Let's move on.
TonyRich
04/09/2014 11:13:00
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Geofspur - I think we are tlaking about the same thing only expressing it differently :-) Ade is an important player for us but at the moment I don't think we've seem the team player the football that Poch desires to play. That will take time! In the meantime we need to continue beating the lesser clubs to maintain our push for top 4. 84 points can be gained by beating teams that finish 7th or below. We should be looking at this as a priority, beating the top 4 regularly is needed if you want to win the league. We are no way in contention of that accolade. Let's ensure we deliver against the mediocre teams and that gives us the best chance of achieving our objectives. A decent cup run will also be nice. We have a squad that should be able to tackle the EL group phase and Prem/Cups. Don't take games lightly, EL we should qualify with 2 games to spare (then rest players), league cup we should go out to win the game in 90 minutes. Avoid extra time against the likes of Forest.
yiddyboy
04/09/2014 11:16:00
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I feel we missed the top4 boat now, we should have kicked on when we first qualified in 4th place and gone out and spent the money on a world class striker. We got lucky with VdV that season and I feel Levy has tried to look for Bargains like him since. Yes we spent big last summer but on money that was out of the bale sale which to me was too late, were we really going to replace bale,modric and even VdV with that windfall? COYS
WestStandEnclosure
04/09/2014 11:20:00
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If I was Daniel Levy any Manager/Coach I hired would have to sign as part of his contract that he could not make any statement about the club in any respect for 3 years after termination. I am sick and tired of listening to these mouthy guys. It's the one thing I disliked about HR and Now it's the same with TS.
jvd
04/09/2014 11:21:00
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I get all that Tony but I think a lot of supporters judgements of coaches, chairman and players alike, DOES have a lot to do with if they find them likeable or not, regardless of how they achieve the end product. All 4 of the coaches I've mentioned had very similar outcomes, results wise. They all have good and bad points that we will either agree or disagree on. Not one of us can be certain that any one of those guys would have achieved success, as in winning something, if they had been given more time. We simply don't know, regardless of how astute we may think our analyses of them is. There are some of us that are saying great things about Pochettino and others that are far more cynical. Either way, we haven't a clue how good or bad he will be for Spurs based on the short time he has had with us. We can only hope for the best, so meanwhile I would love people to get behind him and the team despite his personality and/or perceived talent and despite one bad result. Already, I can see discontent and yet there is no rhyme nor reason for it. Up the Spurs!
MAN ON!
04/09/2014 11:31:00
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Rex_Vulgaris - he could have kept VDV if he really wanted to, but that was part of AVB's dismantling of the team. King played half the previous season, and wasn't as his best, so not part of our downfall. It is the manager's job to absorb things like that. No doubt that Modric was hard to replace.
TonyRich
04/09/2014 11:34:00
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I assume this is the same Tim that had the very same strikers last January and said that he didn't need to add any players to the squad to achieve his stated objective of a top 4 finish?
SpuriousLife
04/09/2014 11:35:00
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MAN ON - well to be honest, I hated AVB's guts whilst he was at Chelsea. I literally turned the sound down when he was interviewed. The only other manager I do that with is Neil Warnock....AND NOW HE IS BACK IN THE EPL!!! So I wasn't best pleased when AVB because Spurs manager. This wasn't just based on his personality, most of it was that I deemed him a) a failure at Chelsea and b) too fast-tracked as he had had just ONE full season in management in his whole career, and was lucky to get the Porto gig. Then did not stay at Porto to prove that it wasn't a fluke. Anyway, I turned up at AVB's second home game in good faith to see probably the worst performance I have ever seen - despite not losing. I like to think that I am objective, but we are all human. However I do believe that if the football and results were good, I would take even Neil Warnock as our manager (unlikely that he would be that good... ;)
TonyRich
04/09/2014 11:44:00
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SpuriousLife - touche!!!
TonyRich
04/09/2014 11:45:00
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TonyRich... :-)
MAN ON!
04/09/2014 11:47:00
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It's only football. Who cares? Where's jimmy Greaves when we need him? I liked him.
MAN ON!
04/09/2014 11:58:00
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Realistic targer is top 6, but even that will be hard to achieve with the current team.
Jables
04/09/2014 12:06:00
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yiddy ... A bit weird that ... I had to stop and think if I was arguing with you or agreeing! I think, as you said, we were agreeing in a different way. lol
Geofspurs
04/09/2014 12:24:00
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Rex_Vulgaris - Ade being more mobile is indeed the Poch approach, only he needs to know when to go and when to stay. Running after a ball that is intended for a colleague is just dumb. He gets the benefit of the doubt for the moment as this way of playing is new, I just hope he is smart enough to understand the role he is required to play. For me Lamela plays this role the best, he can drift around the field at ease. He turns up on the opposite side of the field without it being noticeable. Ade seems more deliberate in his movement rather than just ghosting around. This will take time and I totally agree with you, once they all execute this role(s) it will be a defensive nightmare for the opposition.
yiddyboy
04/09/2014 12:27:00
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Sorry, off topic but (questionably) football related! I had to visit the doctor today for some antibiotics to help get rid of the flu. She said, ‘Do you have any allergies?’ I said, ‘Hell yea! I’ve got heaps .... pain, poverty, prejudice, intolerance, politics religion, and Arsenal!’ She obviously wasn’t an Arsenal fan because she gave me a prescription.
Geofspurs
04/09/2014 12:28:00
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I'm not sure if this was posted earlier, but here's an interesting piece from Chadli: “We have Ade at the top and then, behind him, we had me, Christian [Eriksen] and Erik, who are all encouraged to change position during the game,” said Chadli. “That makes it very difficult for the opponents to choose which one of us to pick up. It’s a new way of playing and we are trying to play like that. It’s like we have three No10s, which means we can also get the full-backs forward in wide positions, which makes five players supporting Ade in attack. It is very different and I have never played this way before. But we have to learn it and it can help us improve. “For me, it is better to come off of the left wing and get into a central position to meet a cross. Or sometimes I can move out to the right and cut inside. It is good for me. When the full-back goes high, I have been told to get into the box because I am tall and can make a difference. But we are learning. Against Liverpool we have something to put right. We’ve learned from the experience of what they did to us last season. It was difficult losing like that.”
O'Brien
04/09/2014 12:49:00
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Tim got everything right ,average players' very little to choose between any of them,not really contenders for anything,the truth hurts its just deluded Spurs fans who expect the impossible.We do not have a team its just a load of blokes playing together,bit like Hackney Marsh teams.If we even get 6th this season I'll be surprised.
spurgatso
04/09/2014 12:56:00
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If manure finish above us this season then one player is better than a team then.
bazdog
04/09/2014 12:57:00
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Tonyrich, you bring AVB in virtually every post you make, now you admit that it is down to personal dislike, it all makes sense. Taking away personal issues, if Bale was so instrumental in getting us our best points tally, just think wath he could have done if he was there the previous with another three world class players. Problem was that the previous season we had Redknapp in chargeone of the worst coaches we have had at Spurs, CL and 4th places inspite of him not because of him. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
04/09/2014 13:09:00
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I believe we will finish where our resources dictate or higher. Anything less, IMO, is completely unacceptable. Where we will finish will be down to coaching. Everton have the extra games this season and do not have the squad to spread it around. They have essentially added Eto'o. We have not lost anyone who was a first team player and have arguably improved in a few positions. We are probably more of a balanced squad. ManU will not have it all their way but they will be able to ride their best 13 players until December. Chelsea and City were already up there and they have added players so they are both fairly settled. Liverpool, like Everton, got a free run of it last season with only a game a week. They have added a lot of potentially good players. The extra game will affect their play as will the loss of the best player in the league. They have the talent, but so do we. Has Arsenal done enough? I'm not so sure. We most certainly underachieved last season so we have better in us.

Ideal result would be for us to get 4th with Arsenal and Liverpool missing out. Neither of them, with the wages they pay, can afford to not have the CL revenues. Our goal must be to finish ahead of one or both of them. Do that and we will be bridging the gap, even if it is only a small amount. Win a cup as well and things will truly be looking up. COYS
peterballb
04/09/2014 13:28:00
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Bazdog, United are already out of the League Cup. They can play 13 players until December. One player does not make a team but they have one player on 4 times the wages of our best paid player. Their starting XI is better than most and that's all they will be playing. COYS
peterballb
04/09/2014 13:32:00
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ItalianYiddo - hey. I was was exaggerating for some comic effect, but I admit to not being an admirer of him. But most of it, as I said was that a) he failed at Chelsea, b) inexperienced but got the best jobs without being proven enough. The reason why I bring AVB into it because I hardly saw a league performance where I was satisfied. Sure other managers have overseen bad performances, but they also had good ones to balance it. Whatever anyone says about harry, a good manager is one that takes the resources at their disposal and utilises them to reach potential. He did that with results and with performances. The basis of the opinion is performances. AVB struggled to get Chelsea performing, and he struggled to get us performing. AVB took over a Chelsea team full of players who had multiple EPL winner's medals and could not get them to perform. I just feel that it has come too early for AVB and he had to learn a bit more first.
TonyRich
04/09/2014 13:44:00
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United have a great front line although their midfield and defense is weaker this season compared to the past. They still haven't replaced Schole (IMO), Ferdinand and Vidic were up there with the best ever partnerships, time will tell if their new signings will settle and achieve the previous success. United have invested huge as they know they can't afford to miss out on CL again. There is enormous pressure on LVG to deliver top 4. Let them worry about that though, we can certainly spoil the party if we settle quickly enough and get a bit of lady luck along the way.
yiddyboy
04/09/2014 13:46:00
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I hate to say "I told you so" - but I did. At present Spurs are just not good enough for top 4. But, I suppose they have to get the best out of what there is. For me it is a godsend that Chiriches was not sold. So, apart from having Fazio(need to c him first though) and Verts as the mainstay CBs, Poch needs to use some imagination and utilize Chiriches in central midfield. Poch should now drop Capoue(proven hopeless) and Bentaleb; and have Chiriches play as CM, alongside the new promising guy, Stambouli. I've suggested this before and I now see it as an opportunity to try it out. I guess everybody recognizes Chiriches' skills, speed and moving forward prowess. With this set up I do think we'll be a force to be reckoned with. Poch needs to get his thinking cap on for this.
dagobert
04/09/2014 13:50:00
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Well that’s some good faith show in the rest of our squad from Sherwood. Fair play, a lot of other managers will feel the same. I would amend that to say we are one top striker away from being a title challenging team this season by the way. Why sour grapes for?? I don’t get that.. - even if I thought we could finish top4 without one I wouldn’t say sour grapes. Cheers. COYS.
SpursOne2
04/09/2014 13:59:00
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dagobert realistically we are not top 4, but you're jumping the gun a wee bit aren't you? Can't you save "I told you so" till the end of the season? As for Vlad, he can certainly do a job in the middle of the park but to dismiss Capoue after 3 games is plain daft, not to mention this is Pocho's first season in charge. He needs time to get the best of what he's got. COYS!
a.k.a.james1spurs
04/09/2014 14:07:00
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If we accept that we should finish in a position based on where our resources dictate, then we can all just pack up and go home now... See you! If we finish lower than sixth and it is considered all down to our coaching and would be totally unacceptable to you Peter, then I can't take you seriously. An analytical mind such as yours should not come to such an illogical conclusion. If we take on board your stance on where we should finish and, believe it to be so, basing it on all your analyses of all the teams you mention, then you're a bloody genius. Unfortunately your all round logic fails to consider the unknown and the unpredictable. The dodgy ref, the missed penalty, the sacking of Wenger. LVG dropping dead from a heart attack, Soldado scoring 20+ goals.... la la la Lamela! This is football Peter, but not as you know it.
MAN ON!
04/09/2014 14:13:00
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Its just his opinion james, not fact - He can say what the ***** he likes. We are a top 6 team going by last years finish, regardless of who we signed before the window opened. But now, with the quality we have, there is no reason why we can beat our highest league finish this year. One more striker imo and we are kicking the *****e out of the other title challengers. COYS.
SpursOne2
04/09/2014 14:14:00
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I agree with you there. James.
Geofspurs
04/09/2014 14:17:00
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Tonyrich, Chelsea is totally irrelevant, he was there five minutes and the old guard he was brought in to replace didn't like it. The football wasn't always easy on the eye but it was work in progress, there were some good performances even last season, Everton away and Chelsea at home we played some brilliant football aginst two top sides, did Sherwood manage anything decent against any of the top sides? Re Harry, right place right time look at his record, look at how poorly he set QPR up against us, can we play him every week?
ItalianYiddo
04/09/2014 14:17:00
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dagobert - Firstly, as James says, you cannot dismiss Capoue as proven hopless with just 11 EPL starts in his career. That sort of thinking would have discarded Modric and especially Bale before greatness...not that I am suggesting that Capoue will be great. I do agree that Bentaleb should NOT be played against the big boys. We need experience to counteract their experience. Secondly, playing players out of position should be a last resort only. Chiriches is not only CB for Romania, he is captain. We signed Chiriches as a CB to solve a CB shortage, and if Kaboul gets injured, we will again have a shortage. Let him stay there. We also have a CM surplus, and it would make little logic to shuffle around like that, Let's wait until we see Stambouli play before we really see how best to utilise our midfield.
TonyRich
04/09/2014 14:20:00
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