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The late, great Grandma Gladys used to tell me a break was as good as a rest, and so I've taken on-board her advice, packed my bags and now I await my taxi.

While I take my weeks Easter sabbatical new VS front page articles will be almost non-existent, and so may I suggest, to those of you who prefer to post comments via the sites front pages then perhaps you use this section to discuss this week's topics. There is of course the option of using the forums.

Our next game is on Saturday 15 April against Bournemouth and as usual OyVeh Maria will have prepared his Match Preview well ahead of the 12:30pm kick off.

In the meantime...

The rotating and interactive globe has proved popular ever since I introduced it a couple of weeks ago. And so I thought what the heck, it would be rude if I didn't embed this new one while I was away.



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Writer:Tino
Date:Sunday April 9 2017
Time: 8:21AM

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I can't believe that the media have even made an article out of this...

?http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11675/10830769/watch-vincent-janssen-misses-sitter-in-tottenhams-victory-over-watford

GGS, let's look at that miss... cross comes in, Jannsen's vision is blocked by the defender in front him, who misses the ball and it arrives waste high for Vincent and more or less hits him, ricochets off his thigh on to the cross bar. How can that be deemed a failure? On the other hand, Trippier's cross for Son's volley allowed plenty time for Son, un-obstructed, followed by a great strike. Janssen imo has been unlucky with his timing, positioning etc. That shot on the turn was everything I'd expect from a striker but seems no credit goes to Gomes for the save, but noted as a failure by Vincent. Alli and Kane have missed several sitters and until Jannsen starts scoring regularly, those misses will undermine his confidence further. Hope Poch continue to work with him and keeps him involved. COYS!
critical_spur
09/04/2017 17:46:00
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Also to note that had the score been 0-0, that miss by Son from a Kane lay off would've been seen as a sack-able offence!
critical_spur
09/04/2017 17:48:00
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CS more than that, if Son had just for a split second, raised his head he would have seen that a simple pass to Kane would have allowed Kane to easily roll the ball into the net. I understand the desire to get a hat trick but to me, the team comes first. Don't get me wrong I really like Son but the last few minutes he was on, it just became about him getting a hat trick and I don't agree with that approach. I was really looking forward to a 5-0 or 6-0 score line.
jvd
09/04/2017 18:09:00
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Exactly jvd. Kane was (for once) very unselfish laying that off for Son, considering he was probably itching to keep his own target of Golden Boot in sight. Kane would normally have taken a pop himself. Yes, Son was trying from all angles at the end. In a way, glad he got subbed for several good reasons... btw, I had hoped to see N'Koudou given a few mins rather than Josh.
critical_spur
09/04/2017 19:08:00
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LOL, Tino. Glad to see I'm showing up in Recife, Brazil. Have a good break over Pascoa (Easter). COYS.
Falstaff the Fool
09/04/2017 22:43:00
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showing up on the globe, I mean. Saw most of the match on Saturday after a late arrival here on the flight through hell. Flight cancelled last minute, rebooked flight late, missed connections and all of a traveler's nightmares. But I did manage to see all the goals on Saturday.
Falstaff the Fool
09/04/2017 22:46:00
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Critical ... I agree with everything you said about Vincent and the media. I do get the feeling that goals will come for him as long as he doesn’t give up. Unfortunately he’ll probably get less game time now that one-of-our-own is back.
Geofspurs
10/04/2017 02:39:00
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Jvd .... I get your point about Son not passing but, as someone who played as a striker, if I had two goals and we were winning four nil I would have done the same. Most players from any playing position would probably have done the same thing in those circumstances. I wish Dembele would be a bit more goal-hungry because he can hit a ball very well when he wants ... but he rarely seems to want.
Geofspurs
10/04/2017 02:42:00
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Tino .... I’m wondering if it would be a good idea to have a discussion thread beside some of the polls? Not all of them. For example the current poll (best player) could result in some interesting discussions if posters could give reasons for their choice and argue the merits with others. It could simple be called, ‘poll discussion’. What do you/others think?
Geofspurs
10/04/2017 02:52:00
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Geoff I understand the selfish nature of a striker too. I played Inside Right in my teens and had only one thing on my mind, shooting for goal. But I was hopin g that Kane would have gotten a goal to keep in range of Lukaku. As I said I really like Son and have no problem with him wanting goals. I'm really amazed at how much goals we have scored this year, from all over the front line. And what a defense! Unreal!
jvd
10/04/2017 03:08:00
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Geof I voted for Jimmy Greaves. He was absolutely my favorite player of all time. Unbelievable goal scorer! And a pretty nice guy too.
jvd
10/04/2017 03:13:00
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Glenn Hoddle is my favourite ever player, growing up as a kid, he was the reason I supported Spurs, plus my mum gave me the choice of kits and it was either Arsenal or Spurs, last two shirts in the shop a place called sedgewicks on forest road walthamstow. I hated the Arsenal shirt and as hoddle I loved watching he made the call for me. He's still a legend.
E17YID
10/04/2017 06:10:00
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Jimmy greaves I only see his goals on YouTube. He's ruthless and I can only imagine the joy of seeing him in the flesh, hopefully some of the older members will share what he was like.
E17YID
10/04/2017 06:11:00
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Good idea Geof. What i'll do, on this occasion is upon my return from my hols (after Easter) is write an article about the current "Spurs Hall of Fame: Out of this list, who was your favourite player?" result etc.
Tino
10/04/2017 07:27:00
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I think Poch has an interesting selection dilemma for Saturday's game. Son has surely done enough recently to merit a start. Given that Kane will almost certainly start, it would be a front 4 of Kane, Son, Dele and Eriksen and by necessity a 4-2-3-1 formation. But if Wanyama is fit could he really leave out Dier after 2 goals in 3 games and a couple of very good performances? And how does he leave out Trippier after a MOTM performance? He's a better attacking wing back than Walker and has been receiving rave reviews in the media over the weekend. Difficult choices ahead.
Gary Onedaysoon
10/04/2017 08:42:00
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Tino ... Sounds good, Tino. Have a great holiday.
Geofspurs
10/04/2017 08:44:00
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Gary - good problems to have though! Regarding the discussion above on Son and Janssen, I don't blame Son for trying to bag his first PL hat trick with the scoreline 4-0 and the game wrapped up. He probably would have done things differently at 0-0. He was on form and thought he could score. I'd rather see an in-form striker be a bit selfish rather than try to be a team player at all costs and let a chance go. Regarding Janssen, it's a tougher one for me. On one hand, he worked hard and made his presence felt (for once), which is good and must be encouraged. On the other, you feel that in such an open game, with the service he got and the chances that were there for the taking, he should have scored (and I'm not even specifically talking about his miss). For the sake of comparison, as soon as Kane entered the game, you just felt a different dynamic. One of Kane's first contributions was to try to get on the end of a Trippier cross, which he was about 2 inches away from converting with a glancing header. he gets into positions which Janssen just doesn't seem to find, makes the right runs, and sees opportunities which Janssen apparently doesn't. The miss aside, Janssen rarely seemed to be capable of creating something out of nothing like Kane so often does. Granted, Kane is one of the best strikers around in world football at the minute, so there is obviously going to be a step down, but you'd like that step down to be as small as possible. I am still waiting to see the striker who could score a goal out of nothing in the Dutch league, just putting his shoe through the ball from 20 yards out and working the keeper. I just want to see him get efforts on target regularly. The goals will eventually come if he does that. But he should be creating 6 or 7 chances per game, which he just isn't doing at the minute.
BelgianSpur
10/04/2017 08:56:00
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Jvd .... Greaves would be my second all-time favourite. What a striker! Got to say that, for me, Mackay was, and will always be, the greatest player to pull on a pair of boots! I would love to have played with him but I would have refused to play against him (lol).
Geofspurs
10/04/2017 09:25:00
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Gary .... I agree. MP does have a problem with team selection, but in a good way. Says a lot about the squad at moment.
Geofspurs
10/04/2017 09:31:00
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it was Danny Blanchflower who made me a Spurs supporter and remains my favorite of all time. His attitude for me is the Spurs attitude. It isn't only about winning but about how one plays. One doesn't cheat to win, one plays with flair to win. One plays football gloriously, and winning is a thrill because of how it's done. Winning isn't worth ***** if it's done by playing as a git. One wins by playing like a man, not by nit picking one's way. The current team seems to understand that it matters how one plays. Class matters.
Falstaff the Fool
10/04/2017 10:09:00
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Tripier is good at crossing but can't defend against fast skillful players. Early in the game trippier got turned by watford winger a couple of times and gave away a couple of free kicks as well. Hazzard, Sanchez, Mane type players will destroy tripier. Makes me laugh when people compare him to walker there's no contest unless your judging it on crossing only which a lot of people seem to do.
Ghanahotspur
10/04/2017 10:26:00
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Danny Blanchflower helped me understand as a lad that winning isn't worth it if it's based on cheating. He was a true winner who did it with class and dignity. A couple of commenters on this site have wondered why I've consistently referred to José Mourinho with contempt. It's because Mourinho consistently fails to understand the lesson from Danny Blanchflower. Winning without the glory of playing the right way is worse than losing. Satisfaction in winning requires that the win is merited. It matters how one lives. Trophies based on ***** aren't worth *****.
Falstaff the Fool
10/04/2017 10:28:00
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Ghanahotspur, I think there's a case for playing Walker against the top half teams and Trippier the lower half, particularly as the roles are so demanding and rotation is a necessity. You seem to trivialise the role of crossing when it's probably the most important element of the wing back's role. There is absolutely no point in playing the system we do if the wing back can't cross the ball.
Gary Onedaysoon
10/04/2017 10:54:00
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Defending is the most important part of a wing backs role. Getting forward and crossing comes after. When spurs played Dortmund at the lane Tripier couldn't handle that level of player. Agree rotation is important and playing against the lessor teams is tripiers level.
Ghanahotspur
10/04/2017 11:02:00
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AGree with you Gary. That is one point Guyver and I touched upon yesterday. Only if Walker can get his end product (as a wing back) right, he would be an awesome asset. Many a pundit and media have picked up on this. I guess when you are moving at Walker's pace, it's hard to control the final delivery, whereas Trippier puts those crosses in a lot earlier. IMO, there is also an element of when Trippier plays, our forward line expects a cross and make themselves available in the box whereas with Walker they are probably wondering whether it's worth making that effort!!
Critical_Spur
10/04/2017 11:04:00
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When we play five at the back and two CMs, I think there is less onus on the wing backs to defend. One thing I would add about Walker is that whilst he has improved a lot defensively over the last couple of seasons, I think he is still vulnerable in one-against-one situations and gets beaten far too easily. What has helped him is that so few teams play with wide players these days and that has masked a weakness in his game.
Gary Onedaysoon
10/04/2017 11:08:00
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We all see what we want to see. Walker is a top notch RB i rarely see him being beaten by his direct opponent, sometimes he losses concentration which can cost Spurs/England especially at set pieces. Walker dominates his side of the pitch occupying 2 players most of the time. He hasn't developed the crossing side of his game because he can beat players on the outside something Tripier can not do. That being said walker has 5 assists which is decent for a FB.
Ghanahotspur
10/04/2017 11:24:00
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Ghana, I read somewhere y'day that Trippier has 4 assists. Considering the limited game time he's had....damn good!
Critical_Spur
10/04/2017 11:27:00
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At this stage of the season I would expect any of our regularly-starting FBs/wing backs to have 5 assists given that our system is designed to get them as far forward as often as possible. Walker may have the pace to beat a player on the outside but he still has to cross the ball, so it should be a skill that he has in his armoury. Having said that the cross that is hardest to defend against is the whipped in cross that Trippier delivers. Players like Beckham couldn't beat a player on the outside but he could deliver the type of cross that every forward wants delivered. All that said, Walker is very good going forward - I just think Trippier is better.
Gary Onedaysoon
10/04/2017 11:37:00
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Like Ghana, I still think a defender's first job is to defend, even with 2 DM's. Trippier has had horrible games and great ones, so has Walker. It's a question of form at any given time too, and Trippier seems to be full of confidence right now. The good thing is that while they are slightly different players, Walker and Trippier are similar enough that when Walker is out, Trippier can come in without disrupting the team too much. The same can't be said on the other side, where Davies is a significant step down from an in-form Rose.
BelgianSpur
10/04/2017 12:07:00
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Falstaff - you can look down on Mourinho's achievements all you want, but the record book will remember him as one of the most successful managers ever. As much as I can see your point about his style when he has had money at his disposal, I can't take anything away from him for winning the CL with Porto. It may not have been pretty, but it was the only way he was ever going to take a team of that calibre that far. IMO there is definitely something to be said about taking a club with limited resources, and a group of players with limited amounts of talent, to a major title through organisation and hard work. Sometimes you have no choice but to win ugly. Look a the non-league teams who make it deep into the later stages of the FA Cup - it's rarely pretty but it's the only chance they have. Does it take any of their merit away? Not in my book.
BelgianSpur
10/04/2017 12:14:00
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Belgian, the problem for me is that from day one we have identified the issue with Walker's end product. I appreciate 1st and foremost he is a defender and a good one to boot and as many have pointed out, it's his pace that helps recover his defensive duties. I remember Lennon was often accused of not having that final cross in him, especially during his latter time with us. He too used to terrorise defenders with is pace. Poch has opted for wing backs in the current formation where the a good final ball is paramount. I noted some pace from Trippier v Watford. May be he's working on that. Nevertheless, it's great to have options. Against lower half teams, I'd welcome Trippier over Walker. COYS!
Critical_Spur
10/04/2017 12:17:00
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Belgian, the problem with Mourinho is not only that he promotes a boring style of play, but that he will bend and break any sense of decency is doing so. Clutch and grab football is not only ugly aesthetically, but is antithetical to what football should be. Not only do his teams bore you to death, but they nit pick along the lines of outright cheating to get there. Winging and whining and seeking petty psychological advantages in upsetting you opponent is ugly. Leave that to managers elsewhere, to the Mourinhos and the Arsenic Wengers. If Spurs played that way I'd have tears in my eyes even when gaining three points. This is not the way to play football and it's not the way to live. If my son behaved that way, I'd judge myself a failure as a father. Mourinho brings shame on the game in the way he approaches it. Danny Blanchflower was more than a great player, he was a man--a decent man. He played smart and he played beautifully and he played fair. To me this defined the Spurs way when I joined the tribe. We are meant to be an honorable people. There is no beauty to the game when one plays and lives ugly.
Falstaff the Fool
10/04/2017 12:26:00
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Guys .... Re Walker and Trippier; they both have strengths and weaknesses but the thing is that they have Verts and Toby between them ... two centre backs who read the game extremely well. Without those two in the backline we may have a different take on both wing-backs. As it is, I don’t see any reason to be concerned about either of them. They are both doing a brilliant job when called upon, imo.
Geofspurs
10/04/2017 12:36:00
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Sorry for not being clear .... I meant that all of our wingbacks have Toby and Jan between them. That has to make their job easier.
Geofspurs
10/04/2017 12:56:00
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Gary Onedaysoon. Tripier plays against teams like Burnley, watford etc for a reason funny he is never used for M.city, Arse or pool. However, we are all entitled to our opinions, in my opinion Walker is a much better full back, who can handle the likes of Hazzard, sanchez until Tripier who was one of the worst defensive players in his time at burnley proves he can defend a dangerous attacker i will not change my mind.
Ghanahotspur
10/04/2017 13:40:00
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Walkers end product has improved a lot this season. He is has the highest assists of defenders/wing backs in the premiership and is joint 2nd at the club with Dele, behind Eriksen. That being said, his crossing and passing is not even comparable to Trippiers and im sure Trippier would have significantly more assists had he started most games. I can't think of many players, let alone fullbacks who can rival Trippier in this department to be fair. I do agree with Ghana, that Walker is superior in almost every other category, in particular defensively, but fortunately for us, most clubs in the EPL do not have a Hazard or Sanchez on the LW to worry about, so that leaves several games a season where you could make a strong case for Trippier starting over Walker.
Guyver
10/04/2017 14:08:00
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Falstaff - all noble principles, but you will surely agree that the game is overrun by players/managers who sometimes behave poorly. The most obvious example today is Costa, but players like Zlatan, Balotelli, Rooney, Roy Keane, Terry, Dennis Wise and many others have all had very good careers (and get credit for it too) despite having dubious behaviours sometimes. Even within our ranks, Alli, Vertonghen and Dier have had naughty moments. We are certainly not immune to it or whiter than white. You say "If Spurs played that way I'd have tears in my eyes even when gaining three points" - well I would just invite you to watch the "battle at the Bridge" game from last season, when 9 of our outfield players were booked and see if any tears appear! Until referees are tougher or video replays are implemented, there will always be a place for those behaviours. As they say - "don't hate the player, hate the game" , and Mourinho just knows how to play the game very well.
BelgianSpur
10/04/2017 14:20:00
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Critical - I certainly agree that a case can be made for Trippier to start against certain teams who are going to park the bus. I still rate Walker higher overall though, for his other qualities.
BelgianSpur
10/04/2017 14:22:00
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Trippier has 3 assists in 293 minutes of EPL football, which would be insane if he could keep that rate up over a longer run of games. He'd likely surpass Eriksen, who has 11 assists in 2630 minutes and certainly Walkers 5 assists in 2435 minutes.
Guyver
10/04/2017 14:26:00
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Changing the subject slightly, the highlight of the match at the weekend for me was Vertonghen's charge out of defence to lead a counter-attack from a Watford corner. 4-0 up, well into the second half, and your centre back is in the centre forward position tearing from one penalty area to the other. Marvellous.
Gary Onedaysoon
10/04/2017 14:27:00
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Jimmy Greaves was the best goal scorer i have seen. He scored the winner in 1961 at Wembley England v Rest of the world (i think Pele was playing for them). I was a very young lad then, and watched this on our black & white TV... those were the days.. lol So yes I have seen all the greats at spurs, Dave McKay the original beast of a defender. Blanchflower an elegant player I thought, A gentleman. I still see Cliff Jones out and about in Cheshunt area he, always has time for a chat, .... big Tescos / Marks & Spencer is ironically on the old spurs training ground Brookfield Farm. (before Chigwell & Alan Sugar)
Block D Spurs
10/04/2017 14:28:00
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Belgian, having players play out of control at times is one thing, having a policy of cheating is quite another. I don't want a team of saints. God forbid. But I don't want a team of cynical cheats. Alli loses his temper, yes. But he isn't a cynical cheat. Mourinho is. There's a grand difference. No one accused Danny Blanchflower of being a saint, but he was an ethical person who hating cheating and he said he did not want to win by cheating, nor by being boring. He wanted to win and he wanted to win by playing superbly. The man had true character and he knew how to win and how to win without disgracing us. Mourinho would throw his mother under a bus to gain an advantage. Surely you understand the difference. As to other players who cheated and won praises for it during their careers, I don't want my team to play that way. The praise of the world for cheating does not make cheating a worthwhile goal, nor a worthwhile tactic. We all can lose our tempers, but that doesn't mean we all have to lose our souls. I still admire Blanchflower for his steadfast refusal to endorse winning through cheating. Mourinho will have to be struck by lightning to understand this. I trust you don't want Spurs to be cynical cheats.
Falstaff the Fool
10/04/2017 14:46:00
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Spurs have a core of 13 good players, however, need to upgrade some of the back up players. I feel both back up FB's will never be good enough to become 1st choice. Spurs will play Cl next season and need to get back ups that push the 1st teamers, especially as Walker and rose are both a bit fragile.
Ghanahotspur
10/04/2017 14:48:00
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Garyonedaysoon, Verts length of the pitch run was wonderful to watch. Thanks for making me remember.
Falstaff the Fool
10/04/2017 14:53:00
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Gary Onedaysoon. Verts is a Rolls Royce when he is in the right frame of mind. Spurs now have a team where every player knows he is playing with a good player, and have raised their game. Nothing is worse than playing with some one you think is crap, always brings your game down, that's why spurs should look to add more quality, some of the back up players should be upgraded.
Ghanahotspur
10/04/2017 14:56:00
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I'm with Falstaff on Mourinho. I'd rather we didn't win anything than adopt his philosophy to football. I'm not taking the high moral ground here. Each to his/her own and I respect that. But it's not what I want to see in football (or any sport) and it's definitely not how I want Spurs to play.
Gary Onedaysoon
10/04/2017 15:00:00
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I really do not see RB an issue.... Trippier has made just 8 EPL starts for us... Let's be honest, Walker & Rose would not be where they are had they been limited to 8 EPL starts in 2 years immediately after their EPL loans at Villa and Sunderland respectively. It is worth noting that Trippier also had one EPL season with Burnley, and got 4 assists then too.... Including vs Chelsea and Man U... If Trippier wants to go, then let him go, but I sense he wants to be part of this. He will get more solid with games, as with all defenders. Davies is the one who is out of his comfort zone. He may well want to move on.
TonyRich
10/04/2017 15:56:00
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I can't say I completely share the opinion. Having the moral high ground is well and good, but sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures. The sport of football intrinsically has a "policing" body, referees, whose responsibility it is to make sure that the game is played fairly. For me, the omen is on them to deliver. Managers and players are free to test the limits. When limits are overstepped, I am all for strong action, but I'll leave that up to them to decide, either on the spot or retrospectively. Mourinho sometimes gets banned for some of his actions, but most of the time he's allowed to get on with his business. If referees/governing bodies decide that his actions are tolerable, who am I to decide that they aren't? I think there is a whole world of possibilities between being whiter than white and cynical cheats, and we probably don't have the same threshold. I dislike players like Costa because he constantly oversteps the limits, and doesn't get punished nearly enough in my book. With Mourinho, I just see him try to play tricks on managers who are really no better than he is, and who all try to influence referees in their own way. I don't think he's that bad to be honest. But I accept that there are different opinions in this world. I also think that having grown up in an era where football has turned into a multi-billion pound business of small margins for error, where money is king, and so my acceptance of what I consider to be "the norm" may be slightly different from people who remember football from decades ago. But whether anyone likes it or not, that's just the reality of modern football and I just recognise Mourinho for what he is: someone who has done very well at adapting/surviving in a tough environment (Charles Darwin would be proud).
BelgianSpur
10/04/2017 16:15:00
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Belgian, if social Darwinism comes to N17 I'll find myself deeply disappointed with us. A large reason that I came to be a Spurs supporter was the attitude of Danny Blanchflower and his insistence on winning through skill and daring rather than through cheating and boredom. To me this is the Spurs way, and that way was enunciated well by our captain at the time I joined the Spurs tribe. Winning just isn't worth it if one has to be a social Darwinist to achieve it. If winning requires dirty play or spoiling the joy of the game, leave it to a team owned by a gangster or managed by a lesser spirit.br>
Today I am seeing a Spurs team that is winning because it is playing well, not because it is playing a Faustian bargain with its soul, as do Mourinho's teams. Sure, Mourinho is surviving, but he brings shame on his teams while doing so. Being fiesty, as is Dele Alli, is not the same has having sold one's soul. If I hear Dele Alli saying that he'd cheat to win, I'll be sorely disappointed; it's not our tradition and I hope it never becomes our tradition. If it does, then I'll wager that Danny Blanchflower wouldn't be a Spurs supporter. That would be the end of our glorious tradition that we win by playing winning football, not by conniving and conning.

COYS. Dare to be great, not merely to win. Glory is more than some trophies. Glory is in the eyes of the gods. It's not only winning, but how one wins. Dare to be glorious. The joy is in the glory of the game, not in a dusty trophy case that stinks of cheating or of boring the world to death. I prefer crying with joy at our success, not crying because we have succumbed to the ways of cheats and frauds. Real success is our goal, not the fraudulent success of a lesser being who would shame his way to a counterfeit win. I know some would think it odd, but I find fraudulent glory is not glory at all. Getting rich by robbing others is not the Spurs way. Leave that to supporters of other clubs that have no tradition of glory, who have no signs at their home pitches that refer to glory. Glory is greater than winning alone.
Falstaff the Fool
10/04/2017 17:29:00
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We are Hotspurs. We do not merely survive. We obtain glory when we win because how we win is important. It is who we have been and who we should continue to be. Otherwise, we are just another team in a miserable world of con artists and charlatans. We always must strive to be more than this. We are the Tottenham Hotspurs, a team of glory and pride. Let us never forget who we were and who we are and who we should be. Do not accept sinking into the mire of lesser competing organisms. Survival is not a sufficient goal for us. Our mission is to be glorious. We come marching in, we come in on dashing horseback, we do not slink in like some surviving slime in the Darwinian muck. We are the Hotpurs. We strive for a higher character than do the mere survivors of the world, the slinking Mourinhos and Wengers and Contes. There are enough of them. We are different. We are better. We are Hotspurs.
Falstaff the Fool
10/04/2017 17:39:00
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Well, there we go, Townsend joins FtF and Belgian debate. Manufactured a penalty. Still, who cares!..
critical_spur
10/04/2017 21:26:00
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Critical_Spur - I care. I wanted us to be in a position whereby winning the NLD at the end of the month would guarantee that we finished above them lot down the road. At the rate they are going, by the time of the NLD, we will have already guaranteed finishing above them. Oh well, I can live with it I suppose :)
In-spurs-ational
10/04/2017 22:56:00
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I know In-spurs-ational, I was absolutely gutted with the way last season ended and allowing 'them' to pip us. It'll be much sweeter this time round as I expect at least an 8 point gap and look forward to that Wheelchair's remarks....oh, hang on, do we not face him on Sat.?!! Bring it on! COYS!
critical_spur
10/04/2017 23:07:00
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Ghana ..... Your quote: 'I feel both back up FB's will never be good enough to become 1st choice'. That's why they are 'back up', mate'! What do you expect? The point is, imo, they are more than adequate squad players. It's about the squad, not the starting eleven.
Geofspurs
11/04/2017 00:37:00
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Ghana ..... Your quote: 'I feel both back up FB's will never be good enough to become 1st choice'. That's why they are 'back up', mate'! What do you expect? The point is, imo, they are more than adequate squad players. It's about the squad, not the starting eleven.
Geofspurs
11/04/2017 00:38:00
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Falstaff and Gary .... I agree with you both about the way we should play. There is nothing better to watch in football than Spurs putting on a 'classy' performance. Danny and Bill knew that ...and they made it happen.
Geofspurs
11/04/2017 00:42:00
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After scoring for Palace in their win over the neighbours all Andros needs to do now is score an own goal against us and he's had the perfect season! (lol) Sorry for previous double post.
Geofspurs
11/04/2017 00:52:00
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Tripper WAS first choice at right wing-back on Saturday and went on to be MotM. That's good enough for me.- Walker and Rose are considered by many to be two of the very best in the EPL and in Europe, in their positions. We can't realistically expect their two back-ups to be as (consistently) good as those two are. Especially when not playing regularly, week on week, throughout the season. All that considered, Trippier and Davies don't look to have severely weakened our defence in any way, when they have been called upon. We're lucky in that respect. - We have a good squad all over. I think our recent form backs this up. Our PL results over the course of this season also shows this, when we consider the injuries we've had to many of our "1st choice" players. Have we missed Kane and Rose these past few weeks? I have missed not seeing them play but nevertheless, the team has not.
Dele-Arri
11/04/2017 09:20:00
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I can't say that I have some kind of moral dilemma when it comes to watching football and the way and style in which Tottenham Hotspur go about playing it but, I certainly can't argue with Falstaff when it comes to my preferred way of seeing it played. In a thoroughly cynical world, a great and honest game of highly entertaining football can ease the mind, give great pleasure and, for 90 minutes or so, make my world a happier place to live in. Of course, no sporting event can ever guarantee this feeling but that is also part of the thrill of it all. The unknown and the unpredictable. However, for me, it's like a beautiful picture or a favourite piece of music. It has nothing to do with how many dollars a painting has fetched, how many records were sold or indeed, if a trophy has been won or not. For this, I will make no apology. - Glory Glory Glory. Hallelujah! Hotspurs are hot right now! Real hot!
Dele-Arri
11/04/2017 09:46:00
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I still think football is a sport, and what makes anything a sport is the objective of winning - otherwise it's just a hobby or an activity. I believe that at its highest level, the game is played by hugely competitive individuals who care about winning, and who want to compare themselves against other hugely competitive individuals who also want to win (if that wasn't the case, Gareth Bale would probably still be at our club). I doubt that if you were to ask most players if they cared more about winning or style, a majority would say "style". This being said, I also think we're debating 2 different things. There is winning ugly and winning beautifully, and then there is the ethical side and cheating. In my book, there is nothing wrong with winning ugly as long as it remains within the rules. Like I said, when non-league teams come up against a PL team in the FA Cup, they are obliged to park the bus. It's hardly pretty, but you can't expect them to play beautiful flowing football. However, I can't fault that at all, as they are fighting in the only way they can. Where I think we can all agree is when a player breaks the rules to gain an advantage (ie Thierry Henry's blatant handball in the France v. Ireland qualifier a few years ago, Maradona's "hand of god" goal,...), a large majority of football fans dislike that. You can play beautifully and cheat (a player like Luis Suarez typifies that for me - all the skill in the world, but a dodgy character), and you can play with limited ability, be successful, and still play the game the right way (a player like Marc Albrighton at Leicester is a good example - rarely booked, limited talent, hard worker, won the PL). I can't fault the likes of Albrighton, and I am a bigger fans of his than I am of Suarez, who on his day can produce real magic on a football pitch and be the classiest player in the stadium, but bites/cheats/lies,...
BelgianSpur
11/04/2017 10:14:00
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Regarding last night, best Townsend game for Spurs in a long time!
BelgianSpur
11/04/2017 10:15:00
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MP, is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. Trippier was excellent on Saturday. He needs minutes on the pitch ... I don't think he's any worse than walker just not as good. However, Davies is a weak link. .. if rose was on the. Left while trippier played .. would be a completely different outcome. We moan he doesn't rotate when he does we moan. ... trippier to start against Bournemouth imo. And Janssen .. Kane on bench he can have minutes against Chelsea's tie
E17YID
11/04/2017 10:39:00
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Belgian, agree with your longer post, especially the "There is winning ugly and winning beautifully, and then there is the ethical side and cheating. In my book". Unfortunately, it's still open to interpretation and the match officials' job becomes even harder, hence the need for video technology. The recent win of Barcelona and the alleged penalty won by Suarez and the subtle turn of leg by Andros to win the penalty last night. Then again, we are not entirely squeaky clean as Dele and in the past, Bale demonstrated. Then you has the match officials at the Newcastle game getting the rules all wrong! Human nature and behaviour I guess. I am sure this is not a new thing and the benefit of instant super-slow replays from all angles just highlights the finer margins we are dealing with....that require instant decisions from the referees. Now we have a weekly article on Skysports, past referee dissecting the key decisions over the weekend.
Critical_Spur
11/04/2017 10:47:00
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Good to see you back....I wondered where you went....Good posts BS!!!
Ossie
11/04/2017 11:17:00
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God forbid we ever bring instant replay into football (except for balls crossing the goal line to determine goals). We don't need to slow down or change momentum of a game to determine a foul or a offside call. Leave the game officiating the way it is and give the refs more and better training or add a couple more officials to the team.
jvd
11/04/2017 11:27:00
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I don't see the selection dilemma as a problem, surely this is the result of good squad management. We have players who can step in and have a positive impact while allowing established first teamers to have some rest / recovery time. You won't maintain a squad where you have two world class players for every position because I will always be looking to leave. Davies and Trippier are ideal squad players, solid reliable and especially with Kieran bring a potent attacking threat.
Slurms McKenzie
11/04/2017 11:52:00
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"Like I said, when non-league teams come up against a PL team in the FA Cup, they are obliged to park the bus. It's hardly pretty, but you can't expect them to play beautiful flowing football. However, I can't fault that at all, as they are fighting in the only way they can," wrote Belgian Spur.

Tottenham Hotspur are not a non-league team. Right now we are playing the best football in England. And we are playing it in the right way for the most part. True said that some can lose their cool at times, but this is passion, not policy, as it is policy for the Manures of the world.

The most exciting team to watch, we are, we are. Let's make sure we keep it that way. Our tradition is to play for glory, and glory is not achieved when one slinks into the muck and mire of tricksters and shucksters and con men, even when that gains points. The Spurs way is not to cheat ourselves to victory, but to ride with our spurs pushing us on. We charge forward, we do not slink into false penalties, at least not as a plan as it is for those who play for Special Leaders. We have been, and should continue to be, the team of beautiful football. We have been, and should continue to be the team that wins with glory, not with shame. Of this heritage I am proud. All of this seems most simple to me. Let the lesser lights, those who prefer to walk on the dark side, let them carp and cavil and complain their way to points, let them cheat and con, let them play their putrid gamesmanship with opponents and officials. Let them try to buy their way to championships with the dirty money of oligarchs. We have a history that is better than that. At our best no one can match our glory. Let's not forget who we are.

We are on the dawn of a new era of glory, if the gods permit. And the gods are most likely to permit if we live up to our heritage and to the words written on the banner in WHL. Let's make sure that our banner comes with us as we move to Wembly and then to our new stadium next door. To dare is to do, and we dare to fight the glorious fight. A fight that brings us immortality and glory with the football gods.

We are not one of the lesser teams of whom Belgian Spur wrote, who need to park the bus and fight the only way they can. We are Hotspurs, and we rule the roost by playing glorious, honest football. We need not resort to the cheap parlour tricks of a José Mourinho. We need not resort to buying our way to pleasure as though we are procuring prostitutes who walk the streets, stealing players from others.

We are the Spurs of history--a history of glory and pride and winning the right way. We do not bore other teams to death and we do not sink into petty crime to win. We win the right way and hold our heads high.
Falstaff the Fool
11/04/2017 12:30:00
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Slurms has it right. A world class team needs a mixture of starters, two deep as often as possible, but also needs squad plays to play when needed, but who will be satisfied not to start all matches. One cannot have two of the best players in the world at all 11 positions. The players will be restless and restlessness in a squad can tear things apart. Winning solves many problems, not all problems. Players need to play, especially when they are at the peak of the game. The best players will not permit themselves to sit too often. Pochettino seems to be learning to rotate, and he seems to have the personnel skills to have players buy into the rotation. Those who cannot, will move onto lesser and less glorious teams. COYS. Let the glory reach a crescendo and let the gods salute us with colours falling on us from the heavens.
Falstaff the Fool
11/04/2017 12:39:00
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Happy Birthday Dele Alli. Big 21. COYS!
Critical_Spur
11/04/2017 12:44:00
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Falstaff - we are one of the top teams in England at the moment, but we haven't always been and won't always be. In Europe we still have a long way to go and we are bound to face games where we will be hugely over matched (in years past, games against the likes of Real Madrid and Borussia Dortmund have exposed this). In those games, I will be more than happy with effort and desire, and if style is there as a bonus, great, but it will be a secondary concern to me. Just because we are enjoying a purple patch in England at the moment doesn't mean we can take things for granted, become complacent or assume that it will always be this way. Being a true football fan means sticking with the team when the team is good, but also in darker days when the team isn't so good. Who knows what the future is made of? Let's enjoy this while we can, and hope we get some silverware out of it, but we also have to understand that this window of opportunity won't last 10 seasons.
BelgianSpur
11/04/2017 14:02:00
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jvd - I completely disagree, sorry mate. Anything we can do to make the game fairer is a bonus for me. The recent friendly between France and Spain showed the potential that video replays can have. The replays hardly affected the game's tempo, and ultimately drastically affected the result. France thought they'd opened the score only for the goal to be cancelled thanks to the replay, despite the ref thinking the goal was valid. Spain had then a goal cancelled for offside, only for the goal to be judged valid after replay. Spain won 1-0 and justice was restored. If the ref's judgment had prevailed, France may have won 0-1 instead. And the game was barely slowed down by those interventions. More of that please.
BelgianSpur
11/04/2017 14:18:00
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Belgian, I fail to see how your comment of 14:02 relates to what I was saying. The way for Spurs to succeed is to win within our tradition, which is to play football, not to flop and cajol and moan and feign. The way of managers like Mourinho is not our way. When we win, we should win the way we won in the time of Bill and Danny, not the way of the whiners and wingers in so many clubs these days. When we win we win with style and pride and play football the way it should be played. Does that guarantee that we always win? Of course not, but when we do, we do it the right way. That is why I began as a lad supporting this club. That is what it stood for. And it seems to me that that is the way that the club is trying to win today. It is playing today, for the most part, within our tradition of fair play and beautiful play and this is making me proud. It should make you proud, too, no? Who except a gooner or a manure or a scum with oligarch's money would prefer it otherwise? We win with glory or it's not worth it, and glory is found in our attitude and the way we play and in what we support. To be Hotspurs is to have pride in this tradition. At least that's what it means to me. Anyone can have the pleasure of a score by paying for prostitutes or by scamming and cheating. Only those who would court the favor of the gods will seek to win gloriously by playing the game as it is meant to be played. That is the tradition of our club. I would not have us turn our backs on this. Style doesn't mean simply being able to dribble and shoot in a fancy way. Style is having the pride to seek to play well. To play football, not gang banging, not playing the officials with psychological games. Not threatening. Playing the right way, and playing hard and to the best of one's abilities. But playing the game of football, not the game of tricksters and con artists. To work at playing beautifully, and if one falls short, one still has the glory of trying to do things right. If one's goal is winning on the cheap, as it is for so many, then why bother? The gods know the difference.
Falstaff the Fool
11/04/2017 15:17:00
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Boogles the mind that any true Spurs supporter would not think this. I cannot imagine how someone would want anything other than our club playing football the right way. To desire winning by tossing away our traditions? Might as well start supporting another club. What does it mean to love the Spurs and our tradition? Would any Spurs supporter want to tell Danny Blanchflower that he got it wrong? Clearly he did not think winning would be worth it if done the wrong way.
Falstaff the Fool
11/04/2017 15:30:00
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I don't think this conversation is going anywhere. I guess it really depends on the definition you have a playing "beautiful" football. You seem to view it as some moral thing, whereas I am actually talking about the style of football itself (as in tactics and footballing philosophy). Once we start talking about god, prostitutes or gang bangers, I feel we are diverting from the subject of football quite massively. The only thing I would say it that I enjoy the sport for what it is, a sport, and not attach some sort of greater meaning to it. In my book, football is a sport, not a religion.
BelgianSpur
11/04/2017 15:32:00
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