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Surely He's Earned Some Slack Now?

Surely He's Earned Some Slack Now?

Oh dear, it's the topic everyone loves to argue about. Good old Daniel Levy!

For the last 10 or so years on here, I have had, and many others have had some extremely heated exchanges about good old Mr Levy. The man truly does appear to be the human equivalent of marmite. You either love him & totally respect what he's done for our club, or you hate him & totally wish he'd sell up to some bent oil baron who has nothing to offer, other than bottomless pockets. The divide really is (or was?) that vast.

Speaking from my own perspective, for the life of me, I still can't fathom out how some supporters have such hatred and vitriol for our chairman & part owner. It's as though people preferred the days before Mr Levy came in, you know, when finishing 13th in the league & having a decent cup run were considered a successful season. Crazy!

I really don't see or understand how people are able to deny that, year upon year, our club has become stronger than the year before, both on and off the pitch. Don't get me wrong, Mr Levy has made some mistakes that were truly Gross (see what I did there lol). Many of those 'anti-Levy' supporters seem to turn to Mr Levy's supposed bad treatment of the lovable lump that goes by the name of Martin Jol. However, those supporters conveniently forget that, when sacking Martin Jol, Levy was acting under the guidance of the snake known as Damien Comolli. Such was that decision a Comolli decision, Mr Levy went public and, after hiring Juande Ramos, state...

'He has recommended Juande Ramos, clearly he will have [to take] responsibility if it doesn't work, but I have every confidence it will.' (The quote is in this link).

So, Mr Levy stuck to his word. Ramos failed, Comolli was booted & the club has got better and better ever since. We've gone from finishing 13th & having half decent cup runs to, well, when was the last time we finished lower than 6th? When was the last time we didn't have European Football in one form or another? It's been over 50 years since our club saw the consistency that is now being served to us each season and, whether we like it or not, much of the plaudits for this consistency MUST go to Mr Levy. After-all, if he's responsible for the bad things that have happened since taking over, he must be equally responsible for the good things, too!

Whilst watching all the emotional scenes at WHL on Sunday (sadly in my front room) it was great to see a camera pan round to a massive banner that simply said 'Thank you Daniel Levy'. Finally, public backing of a much maligned figure within our club. How on earth can we see that new stadium slowly swallowing the iconic WHL & not think to ourselves, 'Bloody hell Danny boy, that's impressive?'

I've said it before & I'll say it again. I would not swap Daniel Levy for any other owner/chairman in the world. And I mean that! But my opinion is not the point of this article. The point of this article is, surely Mr Levy has now earned the right to be cut a bit of slack from even his most staunch of haters? What say you?

COYS



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Writer:Coopsieyid
Date:Tuesday May 16 2017
Time: 4:13PM

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To be honest Daniel Levy really only figured in my thinking during the transfer window and even then it was usually in the last couple of hours before it closed! For the rest of the season it was then a case of get on with it! We has fans had to work with what we got, just like the player and the management staff. Yes we may have missed out on Suarez but in general the squad has improved, we had a few miss-steps and a couple of real gems were produced at the last second. Its hard to deny that the man did have a vision for our club and (all be it slowly) we are seeing the vision become a reality. If it was my money that was backing Levy I certainly wouldn't trade him for anyone else!! Its also hard to deny that the team has improved and as a premiership contender there is no comparison from where the club was when he came in to where we are now. However in that same time frame you only have to take a fleeting glance at what Arsenal achieved to see why Daniel Levy has gotten so much slack! By perennially appoint the "wrong" managers or coaches or instilling and then removing directors of football, he faffed around and prevented a proper development plan for the playing side of the business. His meddling had the direct result of the club not achieving sooner or greater success. Yes the last few years have seen a up swing in our fortunes and with Pochettino we now appear to have a match made in heaven, the type of coach who will work with what he has, not lament what he didn't get and hide behind that when success doesn't materialise, a man who will nurture talent rather then just purchase it, which means Daniel Levy can focus more on developing the net work of the club without having to asset strip the first team every 18months or so! However one word of caution - what if Barca or Real Madrid or Bayern were to lure away Pochettino over the summer, how confident would any of us be that Daniel Levy would be able to find a suitable replacement for him to maintain the consistency and footballing philosophy of the club?????
Slurms McKenzie
16/05/2017 16:41:00
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Coopsie i couldn't agree more Daniel Levy take a bow son amazing
regalspur
16/05/2017 17:14:00
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OK, here I go... Remember, you asked for this Coopsie! The first point I want to make is that Levy does deserve credit for righting the ship financially. Well done. But how long can he realistically take credit for that? This was 16 years ago. Continuing to give Levy credit for something he did in the first couple of years of his reign is long gone. What has he done since? We can talk about the failed transfers and the managerial merry go round (until he finally got lucky with MP - but overall his record remains dodgy at best). We can talk about the lack of trophies (1 League Cup in 2008). But where I disagree the most is with a couple of points you make in your article, Coopsie. Levy "acting under the guidance of the snake Comolli" is utter nonsense to me. You present the situation as if Comolli was calling the shots, and Levy was merely a passenger. It is the other way around: Levy was/is the chairman and the end responsibility stops with him. He hired Comolli and chose him to make football decisions, and still had a final say on any deal Comolli proposed. Any decisions brought by Comolli only happened because Levy allowed it in the first place (as an aside, I also remember Comolli bringing the likes of Bale and Modric to the club - say what you want but not all of his decisions were bad for us). Secondly, stating that the club has gone forward every single year is also untrue ("I really don't see or understand how people are able to deny that, year upon year, our club has become stronger than the year before, both on and off the pitch"). In 2011, we were in the CL quarter finals. Where were we in 2013? Yes, we are better off now than 16 years ago, but there have been many peaks and troughs in the meantime, and certainly not constant progression like you suggest. We have gone backwards on several occasions during Levy's reign, dismantling great teams in the process and sometimes failing miserably to reinvest in the squad (see: the Bale money). Finally, let's also keep in mind that LEVY IS THE HIGHEST PAID CHAIRMAN IN THE PL, so we have every right to expect above average performance, at the very least. The purpose of my post is not to paint the picture blacker than it is, as Levy has done many things right too, but while we could certainly do worse, it is a massive claim to say that you wouldn't trade Levy for any other chairman out there, and one I simply don't agree with.
BelgianSpur
16/05/2017 18:01:00
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Comparing DL to Marmite does a disservice to Marmite. Ouch. Seriously, the proof will be in the pudding for my evaluation of DL after this summer. If he cuts up the group we have to save a few quid, then off with his bald head with Prince Hal's sword. If he listens to Poch and gets rid of the few that Poch would like to move on, and he adds the couple that Poch wants, then I'd buy him a a long neck Skol or some Pitu on the beach. He doesn't look the sort to puff some maconha with me. That's a lot more slack than most on this site would have granted him a few years ago.
Falstaff the Fool
16/05/2017 20:10:00
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Have you returned Coops, or are you just teasing us? Smiley face printed here next to that quizzical face emoji with the shrugged shoulders and hands up.
Falstaff the Fool
16/05/2017 20:12:00
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Hmmm Some good points by coopsie & Belgianspur. We lost 3 league cup finals (one a penalty shoot out alex fergies man utd) and won 1 in last 10 years. Lost a semi final FA Cup to portsmouth as well so not too bad a run there. Europa League entry every year after since BMJ manager and (2010 CL) to last year (CL again) I would say half way between the 2 posters is about right. We did have AVB after harry and some millions of wasted money on transfers and over crowded playing roster. Also we had over 3 years of Archway Steel trying it on for payment of 1/3 of stadium development value (yes that is why they fought to the bitter end) for their little factory on Paxton Road. We can say that if the Archway Steel problem was settled in 6 months we would be in our 3rd year in a new stadium by now. Since then Levy has moved on quickly to where we are today. So credit to Daniel Levy, and for the Enfield Training Ground, (after the aborted attempt to develop Abridge Golf Club site). Also for appointing (AVB) Poch in a new direction for the club after Harry.
Block D Spurs
16/05/2017 22:49:00
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I'll have a Levy any day lads. The club has been in Europe 7 years on the trot, not finished lower than 6th, had a 4th, 3rd and 2nd in the past 7 years too. Steadily growing an organic club, with finances, training facilities, stadium 12 months away and, arguably, the most competitive squad we've had in the last 50(?) years. Yes, silverware has been a little scant, but we have until 2019 to continue to have won a major trophy in each of the last 7 decades along with Man U. We have money to compete in the transfer market, while not having to sell. Levy has learned from the Sol Campbell saga and we haven't lost anyone on the cheap to rivals due to long term contracts, unlike the Gooners (Nasri, Sanga, Clichy). Yes, there has been some bad decisions made. The journey has been "typically" Spurs; wavy, to say the least, but where we are now is likely to be far from where we thought we'd be, the false dawns and bleak outlooks. I doubt there are any fans, bar Chelsea, who are happier than Spurs fans, by quite some distance. The Future's Bright and Lilywhite! COYS!
melloSPUR
16/05/2017 23:43:00
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*Sorry, 2 4th place finishes ;-)
melloSPUR
16/05/2017 23:45:00
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And great to have you back coopsieyid. Just in time for some transfer nonsense :-D
melloSPUR
16/05/2017 23:46:00
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For the record (Premierleague), cos I have such pride for this current crop: Most games won, least games lost, most goals scored, least conceded, most points total, highest position and with 2 games to go! It took a record points equalling Chelsea, with 13 straight wins and no European football (36 squad changes, average 100+ usual for winner) to beat us. Since the start of last season we have scored 15 more points than the next best team on a net spend of £5m (Sissoko, why Sissoko???). Mauricio Pochettino, he's magic, you know!
melloSPUR
16/05/2017 23:55:00
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Mr Levy, he just makes us stronger and stronger. We are progressing well under his stewardship.... he is going about this the right way. We have a promising team ... we just need 2/3 quality players in the right position to move on to the next level. Next season we will have ups and downs. I'm sure I will moan at poor results ... but long term we will benefit with the new ground etc. I'm all for Mr Levy, long may he continue, and I echo the welcome back coops, nene sorely missed ..,lets hope loads are back now.
E17YID
17/05/2017 07:41:00
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If you are the sort of fan who thinks that spending money (whether you have it or not) is an end in itself and is somehow a measure of your success then you won't like Levy. The reality is the club has been steadily improving under his stewardship with probably the new training ground the key to our success in developing players. Finding the right staff is key in any business and its no different in football. Its not just the manager, the scouting and coaching set up also need to be right if you can't just buy a team. Its taken time but Levy has got just about everything right, even though we continue to lose personnel to other clubs. The new stadium will define the club for the next 100 years and it will probably be 10 years after its completed before we are in a position to judge its success. To build it Levy has had to deal with not just the financial issues but a hostile local authority who viewed the club as a cash cow and sadly only woke up to reality after the Tottenham riots. When people criticise Levy they always seem to be stumped by the simple question "where will the money come from ?", when they can answer that one I'll take them more seriously.
jod
17/05/2017 07:56:00
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Whether Levy is the highest paid or the lowest paid Chairman in the EPL, how should that ever effect the teams on pitch performances? ...and,,, Surely, his pay is between him, Big Joe and the THFC board of Directors. - BS, you say that Levy shouldn't still be taking credit for righting the Spurs financial ship because that happened 16 years ago! So, are you then suggesting that for the past 16 years or so that he has had no more influence whatsoever on keeping the good ship Lilywhite afloat on the EPL rough, high waters?! If not, then what the hell has he been doing all this time? LOL - During our time in PL we have had a total of 13 managers. Man City and Chelsea, for example, have had 11 and 12 respectively. Oh yes you will say but they have been much more successful. I'll say what has that got to do with it? Why keep messing with success? If they can't seem to find a consistent winning formula for their management and for more than just a couple of seasons or so at a time, then surely that highlights just how difficult it must have been for a club like Spurs. - You say that Levy got lucky with Poch. Does that mean he was just unlucky with all the others? .......... There seems to be so many ways for some to express a dislike of Levy and his chairmanship over Spurs and yet here we are, against all odds slowly but surely reaping the rewards of all his and ENICS efforts. For that I can't help but salute DL. - Spurs are sailing strong and proud against a sea of sharks and, the sharks don't like it one bit... Aye, aye Cap'n! ......... I could go on but the more I write, BS, the more words you'll have to work with and feel obliged to respond to. Haha me hearties!! Up the Levy!
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 09:24:00
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We have gone down a path which we hope will reap benefits, by investing massively in the academy. We are hoping to field competitive teams by promoting from the academy. However, for a variety of reasons, our record in promoting talent remains spotty, not because we are bad at it (as a matter of fact we probably have one of the better academies in England), but because building from the academy is, and will always be, a gamble. Where are the Tom Carrolls, Shayon Harrisons, Nathan Oduwas and John Bostocks everyone was raving about? We will be lucky if we produce one quality player every 2 years. Even Barca and their famed La Masia academy show this. How many first team players at Barca are from the academy? With the exception of Iniesta, Busquets and Messi (admittedly very good players), and one more player in the squad, the rest of the 1st team (19 out of 23 players) has been bought not bred. If they have the best academy in the world and only 4 out of 23 players are from the academy, it tells you a lot about a club's ability to build through the academy. Like it or not, a club is always going to have to engage in the transfer market, and we haven't been great at it. The largely falls on Levy.
BelgianSpur
17/05/2017 09:25:00
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We haven't been great in the Transfer Market? Yes we have. Then on occasion, not so great. Just like every other club. From Barca to Bournemouth and back again! Spurs are special but we ain't no miracle workers!
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 09:31:00
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melloSPUR - we all understand and share the excitement surrounding the current team. But you can't just look at the last 18 months. Levy has been there for 16 years and should be judged on the entire reign, not just the best part. Of those 16 years, how many were considered great seasons? Before MP, we had a great season in 2011, and in 2008 thanks to the LC. The rest is largely uneventful at best, and quite scary at worst (2 points from the first 12 games in 2009). Finishing 6th is about right, so can we really praise Levy for finishing about where our resources say we should? Levy seems to have gotten it right now, but it took him long enough to get here. Taking 16 years to transform the club is not a quick turnaround. Again, for the highest paid chairman in the PL, aren't we entitled to expect quicker results? In the last 16 years, how many clubs have gotten new stadiums built? A few. Of that list, several of those teams have even won silverware. At the very least, we could have expected to be 5 years ahead.
BelgianSpur
17/05/2017 09:33:00
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BelgianSpur - Couple of points. Firstly Carroll, Livermore etc were sold. The money coming in helped pay for cost of developing players so even though they weren't successful here they made their contribution. Secondly where exactly would we buy a Harry Kane at a price we could afford ?
jod
17/05/2017 09:34:00
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No matter what he does you will never get me to back up Levy. The final straw for me was trying to move us out of our ancestral home of N17 and sending us to a part of London that could never even be remotely classed as anything close to our manor. If DL had won the battle for the Olympic stadium we would now have been more Ham than Totten. Where was the loyalty to the fans on that day. I remember writing the article on the day when I heard Levy was getting closer to a deal it tore my heart out at the very thought of putting a Spurs Stadium within spitting distance of Boleyn Road. If you ain't from N17 you may never get it but the very idea that a Spurs Chairman would rather move the stadium to another part of London because it was a cheaper option does my head in. And look at what happened to Wet Spam after they moved! that could have been us! Would we have been chasing Leicester for the title if we had moved to the Olympic Stadium? No way! like DL said on Sunday he's just a custodian of the club, he just rents that seat, and what legacy would he have had ...forever known as the Chairman who moved Spurs out of N17 to east london and turned us into another Woolwich.... in a place we don't belong....that's right up there with Sol Campbell moving to the Gooners....no chance DL, you cut him some slack if you want to, ain't happening with me! Born N17 and N17 till I die!...... and I wrote to him and told him that! Didn't get a reply of course!
OyVeh Maria
17/05/2017 10:26:00
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You dislike him for something that didn't happen Oyveh? What about what is actually happening right this minute? Part of the lovely ol' WHL will be taken up by the new stadium. How N17 is that?! :-)
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 10:39:00
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We were never going to east London it was a bluff to get what he wanted and it worked.
E17YID
17/05/2017 10:45:00
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Surely and to be fair, Levy could not be held responsible if he was being forced into a situation by circumstances beyond his control, if he had not indeed been able to move within the boundaries of N17. It's not as simple as saying right, I wanna build my stadium right there! ... It has taken many years of fighting for and acquiring a lot of land around WHL to get to this point in time. How can you or anyone else see that it was always his and ENICS intention to be exactly where we are now, with the new stadium?
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 10:46:00
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Exactly E17.
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 10:46:00
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We did a grand job in forcing WHU's hand and working the local and the London Mayoral planners to be on our side.
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 10:49:00
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I dislike him for something he tried his damedest to get away with, and, if it hadn't been for David Gold David Sullivan and Karen Brady (who got a wedge for sealing the deal) dodgy dealings with a stadium paid for by the tax payers Levy would have had us in Stratford, just cos you don't actually commit a crime murder doesn't make you any less of a criminal for trying! Your hitting a brick wall if you think I can be persuaded to change my mind about Levy and Lewis.....nuff said!
OyVeh Maria
17/05/2017 10:49:00
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I'm not trying to persuade anyone of anything. But most of what I have pointed out is factual and not merely an emotional response.
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 10:52:00
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OyVeh Maria - No I'm not from N17, most Spurs fans aren't. My loyalty is to the club not the area. You don't appear to have a clue about what you are talking about. We were never going to occupy the Olympic stadium. Our proposal was to knock the pile of junk down and build our own stadium at our own expense, presumably similar to the one we are building now, in its place. We'd have got our new stadium quicker, cheaper, with better transport links and saved the taxpayer a fortune in the process.
jod
17/05/2017 10:54:00
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Good points jod.
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 10:56:00
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I was born in N7. That's 17 but without the 1!!! Maybe I should be a Gooner and not a Spur........ Hod forbid!
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 11:05:00
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.....and there you have it Jod your not from N17 which is why you would have been happy travelling to Stratford to see Spurs play in someone else's manor. So by that logic you have no issue with Woolwich moving from South of the river into our manor which to any if us from N17 has been an open wound ...and by the way, the £710m London Stadium deal was mostly from Tax Payers money and even if Levy had knocked it down he still would have received a sizeable subsidy from the Govt for saving a Stadium that had no post Olympic plan so Levy was going to be quids in. To be honest, as Coops says, its a topic that divides opinion. I respect your point of view and anyone else's on Vital who are for Levy but you aint getting me to budge one inch on this topic so i am going to terminate my contributions to this thread and leave it at that! COYS!
OyVeh Maria
17/05/2017 11:10:00
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Angry about a postcode in London? I don't get it. Surely there's more to us humans than an address, a road, a street? I'm in South London right now. Should that now make me a Palace fan? Does that make me any less passionate about THFC. BelgianSpur ain't even from Old Blighty itself but he also has a passionate dislike for Levy. More importantly, he also has a passion for THFC.
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 11:18:00
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Dele-Arri is right on the point that your address shouldn't really matter, except for football stadium locations or you are from Ireland which, obviously makes you superior to everyone else and if you then happen to be a Spurs supporter as well, I think that makes you better then Jesus in Gods eyes anyway!
Slurms McKenzie
17/05/2017 11:31:00
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OyVeh Maria - I'm pretty sure that where I live, Enfield, there are more Spurs supporters than in N17. From there it makes very little difference in journey time whether you are travelling to Stratford or Tottenham. Like I said I support the club not the area. Can't get excited about Arsenal moving grounds before I was born. Again you seem totally clueless. Our bid stated specifically that we weren't taking a penny of taxpayers money. We weren't going to save the stadium, we were going to demolish it. Yet you come up with delusional fantasies about massive government handouts. If you are in a hole maybe its time to stop digging.
jod
17/05/2017 11:32:00
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DA - you asked "So, are you then suggesting that for the past 16 years or so that he has had no more influence whatsoever on keeping the good ship Lilywhite afloat on the EPL rough, high waters?! If not, then what the hell has he been doing all this time? LOL" Are you asking me to give Levy credit for not bankrupting the club? Isn't that the first and most basic responsibility of a chairman? That is the very least you can expect from a chairman and certainly not a differentiator... Should I give fish credit for swimming?
BelgianSpur
17/05/2017 11:41:00
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jod - I am not saying that Carroll and Livermore didn't contribute, but the contribution was financial, not on the pitch. Chelsea use this model very effectively. They stock the academy with youngsters from all over Europe, none of them make it, but they probably get a few quid out of it to continue financing the system. We are counting on the academy to produce first team players -very different objective altogether. To answer your second point, I'm not even asking for the club to sign someone as good as Harry Kane - that would indeed be setting the bar too high. But to expect a club like ours to be able to identify, and sign, a striker who can chip in with 10 goals per season and actually work the opposing centre backs, is that really too much to ask? Just look at Southampton - they have 4 in Gabbiadini, Long, Austin and Rodriguez, who have all reached or come very close to double digit PL goals recently, despite none of them starting 30+ games.
BelgianSpur
17/05/2017 11:50:00
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No, I'm not asking that, BS. Come on, already! He has overlooked and been responsible for......... I won't bother actually because it should be obvious to all, whether you dislike him or not.
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 11:50:00
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I'd certainly give a Salmon great credit for finding the ocean from freshwater streams then somehow swimming back upstream to a river, back again from the oceans and against all the odds of nature.... Amazing feat. LOL
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 11:56:00
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For me, to still be slagging off Levy for any perceived mistakes from the past, is like still insisting that Harry Kane will amount to no more than being a Championship player. Something like that....
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 12:36:00
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DA - For me, Harry Kane has reached heights, comparatively, that Levy hasn't. Kane's main objective is to score goals. He won the golden boot last year, and has joined a club that only 4 players before him had reached (score 20+ PL goals 3 seasons in a row). By and large, he is outperforming most of his peers. Levy's main objective as a chairman is to bring success to the club. The jury is still out as to whether he will ever lead the club to a PL title (which should be the end game for a football club, not the stadium. The stadium should just be a means to get there). Can we honestly say that Levy is outperforming most of his peers? I look at Harry Kane's "job description" and I can't really point to anything he isn't doing (as a player, role model or ambassador). He's an example on and off the pitch, who has shown remarkable progression in a short amount of time. I look at Levy's responsibilities and I can certainly point to quite a few shortcomings. The other difference is looking at Kane's tenure at the club as a whole, most years were a success. He has a track record of scoring in the youth teams. He then struggled for a couple of years making the transition to the 1st team, but he's now recorded his 3rd successive great season as an important 1st team member. Again comparing to Levy, how many of the 16 years can be considered successes on and off the pitch? Off the pitch, quite a few. On the pitch, far too few. Kane holds up the comparison to most of his peers. I don't think Levy does (in fact quite the opposite, as several of his peers have refused to do business with him at various points in time).
BelgianSpur
17/05/2017 12:52:00
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That was a joke BS. I appreciate your post though nonetheless...... maybe those peers you speak of are just not good or confident enough at their job to take the plunge and do the business with him without the fear of losing face...... Who are these peers you speak of anyway?
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 12:59:00
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I keep vowing to myself to keep my posts to a minimum. I have a couple of days off work and I can't help myself........ I'll bid my fellow Spurs' farewell. Here's to two more PL wins, at least one Harry hat trick, a hot and happy summer and then on to Wembley! Up the Spurs!
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 13:03:00
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Off the top of my mind, Jeremy Peace of WBA is a recent example (in the Berahino transfer saga). Peace is quietly turning WBA into a mainstay in the PL, not bad considering where they come from. He seems to be a reasonable person who knows where he is going, and who appointed a no-nonsense manager in Tony Pulis to do exactly what the club wants to do for now. At the time, Peace said something like Levy being the most unreasonable person he had ever had to deal with. You can't please everybody all of the time, but that did seem quite an extreme comment.
BelgianSpur
17/05/2017 13:05:00
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I'll suggest that it was Peace being the unreasonable one? Maybe they were as unreasonable as eachother? Chairman don't have to like eachother or get on. Business is business. I bet there's a mutual respect in there, somewhere.
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 13:12:00
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By the way, he's no longer WBA's chairman.
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 13:14:00
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Yes, WBA were taken over last year. But the original point still stands that Levy seems to be a polarising figure among chairmen too.
BelgianSpur
17/05/2017 13:16:00
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I don't believe that to be a problem how other chairman view him, may deal with him or do business with him. That's just another rotten fish to slap him around the face with. Since when has being a strong and possibly difficult businessman to negotiate with been a problem when doing good business?
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 13:26:00
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Your phrase Dele-Arri, "That's just another rotten fish to slap him around the face with." should be used more often. In fact I shall use it (I presume your happy to allow me access to your copyright?) within one of my next articles.
Tino
17/05/2017 13:32:00
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Tino, it would be my pleasure. Do what you will.... I will actually go now. Have a good one fellow yids.....
Dele-Arri
17/05/2017 13:36:00
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The problem is that Levy seems to have left so many rotten fish in his wake, that there are plenty around to slap him with. That in itself is worrying - other chairmen around the league don't seem to have nearly as many blemishes to their reputation. Just by looking at the number of failed transfers over the years, I would say that having a "strong and possibly difficult businessman to negotiate with" has been a problem quite a few times.
BelgianSpur
17/05/2017 14:47:00
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It is no secret that I am not Daniel Levy's greatest fan as a football administrator. He is undoubtedly a shrewd and ruthlessly successful businessman as his property deals and commercial operations have shown. Yes we have a superb training facility and shortly a new stadium, but we are now about to enter a very testing era for Mr Levy. We have finished 2nd in the PL after a good season unfortunately not capped by a trophy, have qualified for the CL, and are fancied by good judges to be potential PL champions sooner rather than later. To enable this we must first keep our current squad in spite of attention from other big clubs, and secondly continue to add quality in key positions in the squad to remain competitive. In order to achieve these objectives will require considerable investment by Daniel and his megga rich mentor Mr. Lewis. We have now qualified 3 times for the CL and have failed to back up and invest on the strength of the previous 2 occasions, particularly after HR's achievement in reaching the QF on our first attempt, following which we asset stripped the squad rather than strengthening it. Let's see whether there is any appropriate investment following this season's achievements. I'll reserve judgement until these questions are answered.
Frank
17/05/2017 17:42:00
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Frank - even if he does it this time, does that excuse him for not doing it 5 years ago? I don't forget easily. Better late than never, but still only right 50% of the time.
BelgianSpur
17/05/2017 19:45:00
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I'd be interested to see your responses now Coopsie. The best thing for me about you writing articles on VS was your responses to us other posters responses to you! RSVP.
Dele-Arri
18/05/2017 06:38:00
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Frank - One of these days maybe you'll post a comment where you actually explain where the money is coming from rather than just moaning about not spending more.
jod
18/05/2017 07:41:00
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I've just read through the responses on the VS forum to this article. Certainly no slack being cut for DL there. A lot of anger and dislike.
Dele-Arri
18/05/2017 07:57:00
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Simple. Allocate a higher percentage of our revenues to player wages and transfers, like all of our rivals are doing.
BelgianSpur
18/05/2017 07:59:00
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In theory it's all very simple. On the pitch AND in the boardroom. In reality, not so simple.
Dele-Arri
18/05/2017 08:30:00
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Right. Managing a football club is an obscure art, only mastered by a few, and unlike any other organisation in the entertainment industry! Seriously, every organisation has its challenges, but things aren't always as complex as people make them out to be either. Dozens of other clubs are being managed every day, with contrasting results on and off the pitch - but there seems to be another way than the Levy way of doing things, and not all of those clubs are heading for bankruptcy.
BelgianSpur
18/05/2017 09:25:00
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I'm not just talking about any perceived complexities or not of the task of actually managing, or owning, or playing for or being a chairman of a PL football club. I'm also referring to the naive and unknowing simplicity of how so many of us supporters view it all. For example: "Simple. Allocate a higher percentage of our revenues to player wages and transfers, like all of our rivals are doing". As if this alone in itself is as easy as abc and will get the trophy cabinet filling up in no time. >>>>>>> Hey presto! New state of the art training facilities! Abracadabra, Shiny new top of the range stadium! Voila! I give you Wanyama, Toby, Alli, Harry and Poch! Surprise, surprise....... Here comes Lionel Messi!
Dele-Arri
18/05/2017 09:39:00
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DA - I can see that. There is no guarantee that spending more will in fact deliver trophies. But by and large, there is a very strong correlation between the richest teams and the most successful teams. Spending more, if the history of the PL is anything to go by, should in theory increase our chances of winning. At the very least, it would definitely improve our chances of competing for ,and attracting, the world's best players in the transfer market - that much is a given. And bringing in more talent, more often than not, helps on the pitch. Whether that translates to titles is an unknown, but it's surely a factor. This being said, the original point was that other clubs have adopted different strategies to ours, and it's difficult to argue with the fact that those other strategies have delivered more results, given our relative lack of recent titles. At what point are we going to look at what our more successful rivals are doing, and maybe have the humility to accept that not all of their ideas are inferior? We certainly have things to learn from clubs like Southampton when it comes to player/manager recruitment. We probably have things to learn from other clubs when it comes to retaining top talent. It's still unclear to me why we are insistent on having a wage cap at 100k per week, for example, when quite realistically, clubs our size (and even smaller ones) do not. Given new revenue streams, it's hard to believe that getting rid of this wage cap would bankrupt the club. The cap is a clear handicap to us being able to attract and/or retain the players to improve us in the short term. Why are we keeping it?
BelgianSpur
18/05/2017 10:30:00
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I will agree with you in principle on this but I don't have an answer for it. I just believe that we are being run well as a club under Lewis and Levy. It's undeniable that more and more money helps to gain success but this is exactly where I can see us heading to. Maybe I'm wrong or maybe I'm just more patient and forgiving of past mistakes, than others...
Dele-Arri
18/05/2017 10:37:00
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Spursex on the forum version of this thread has made a long and very well thought out explanation/summary of Levys overall input into THFC. I would encourage everyone to read it. He explains things much more concisely and thoroughly than I ever could as to why I for one believe DL's tenure has been of such good benefit to Spurs, despite the lack of trophies. http://www.spurs.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=43521&posts=38
Dele-Arri
18/05/2017 10:55:00
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I just read the post and it is well written. However, while Spursex does a good job of listing the many things Levy deserves credit for, one thing is striking: all of the achievements he lists relate to off-the-pitch activities. Essentially, if i have to sum it up, Levy deserves credit for being a good businessman and real estate visionary. This much we already knew. Nowhere in the post do I find praise for what he has done on the footballing side, which is a shame for a ... football club. I will answer there too.
BelgianSpur
18/05/2017 13:56:00
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BelgianSpur. I'm pleased that you took the time to read it. It's also good that you responded to his post.
Dele-Arri
18/05/2017 15:21:00
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