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Dear Mr Levy, The Time Is Now

Dear Mr Levy, The Time Is Now

I have always appreciated the way the THFC has been run. There has been frustration surrounding a lack of silverware from certain sections of our fanbase. However, our progress under ENIC is undeniable. We have steadily progressed from being in a pack of nearly teams with Everton, Villa and Newcastle to being genuine title contenders. You only have to look at the fates of Newcastle and Villa to appreciate just how well the club has been run. However, the time to invest is now!

We will face a massive battle to hold onto our best players and the best manager in the world if we fail to demonstrate an ability to match their ambition. If we hold on to what we have, and strengthen then we become world class and win titles/trophies and become Champions League regulars. We move into our new stadium as a genuine world class club.

The odds of assembling a squad as good as ours and finding another manager as good as the one we have now is astronomically high! It just will not happen. If we fail to strike now then we throw away the greatest opportunity we will ever have to turn ourselves into a commercial powerhouse through success. Manchester United don't have billionaire backers, they have a massive fan base through success.

This is the model we should ultimately be following! They were once in the same position that we are now. A young and brilliant team with a British spine and a young, hungry and brilliant manager. So there is only one option...back the manager and the squad you have now or rue this missed opportunity forever...

COYS

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Writer:spurticus87
Date:Tuesday August 8 2017
Time: 7:45AM

Comments

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Agree completely. However you need to send Levy the directions to Specsavers for a hearing test first. He isn't interested in our opinions.
Harry-Kari
08/08/2017 07:55:00
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As a business man who has been in the industry long enough he really should know! We had an opportunity similar to this, although not as good, several years ago and we missed it! Now we are on the verge of moving into our new stadium with a better squad and a better manager! History tells us that finance follows success in football. This is very much a case of you need to speculate to accumulate...
spurticus87
08/08/2017 08:05:00
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I have no ideas what this piece is actually saying. What does "back the manager and the squad you have now" mean ?
jod
08/08/2017 08:15:00
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Yup very much the same thoughts in regards to this article. I am becoming frustrated. We are a Gareth Bale away from taking the team to the next level. The next level is Cl contenders.
asherthesmasher
08/08/2017 08:16:00
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I'm sure they know what they're doing. Just like I'm sure we don't know what they're doing. I'm a bit worried about the latest poll .... if we move heaven and earth where will the new stadium end up?
Geofspurs
08/08/2017 08:17:00
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Another start to a campaign where we are totally unprepared. If it weren't for poch we would be back down the the 6th and 7th struggles, and by there own admissions without poch half our best players would leave or would have left. Our squad is bone bare and we still have no cover or competition for a number of players. Tough first game away followed by a very tough home opener. THFC as a whole have made a complete bollox of this window. Again.
hudderspur
08/08/2017 08:18:00
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spurticus87 - "History tells us that finance follows success in football", really ? Winning the league didn't turn Leicester into a bigger club. United have been pretty unsuccessful since Ferguson retired but they still have three times our income. City and Chelsea still rely on rich owners and FFP having no teeth despite what they have won in recent years.
jod
08/08/2017 08:19:00
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Jod, backing the manager and the squad is a very simple term to understand. It simply means believe that they have the capability of achieving great things and invest in a few quality additions to support the squad/manager in achieving the aforementioned success. Winning the league did turn Leicester into a bigger club mate! They may not be a top 4 contender but they are no longer relegation dog fighters and probably won't be again under decent ownership. I have no doubt that they are benefiting from increased revenue as a direct result of their league success as well. United won two trophies last year and attracted world class players such as Ibra and Pogba. They even beat the league winning team to the acquisition of Lukaku. What exactly is your point?
spurticus87
08/08/2017 08:27:00
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Geoff - Would you say they knew what they were doing when they turned down Suarez when we a striker short of a possible league winning team? Now we are a few quality additions away from a world class squad! If we fail to capitalise on our momentum then we end up in the same situation that we were 5 years ago. Sold our best players, new manager, 10 new players to bed in, 5 will turn out decent, 5 won't cut the mustard etc. etc. It is a vicious circle...
spurticus87
08/08/2017 08:30:00
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Support the manager? ,he's rightly as you say a world class manager, who is to say that it's not Levy, but poch saying. Hey dan, I have a great crop of kids coming up let's stick with these as back up, if we sell the fringe then we can get some more in if that's ok with you.? Levy, is doing an excellent job. Others will disagree, and won't care if the team are bankrupted just to win a trophy ... we are progressing well and we will get where we want to be we need time.
E17YID
08/08/2017 08:33:00
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It's a non argument. We are in need of 1-2 better squad players and 1-2 top quality who will push us to win something. 5 days away from the opener and if we want to play 4-4-2 we are using our third choice rookie right back. No matter which way you look at it we are weakening the team by chopping and changing roles. The new right back should have been already here and settled. That's just one of the many issues here.
hudderspur
08/08/2017 08:34:00
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E17 - I don't think poch wants a batch of new players and nor do we need them but the man is a clever bloke who knows who we need. Academy is great and for the majority I think it's the best way not just for us but for any club but there comes a time when u need ready made quality, not potential. From what I've seen there isn't anyone in positions we need who can make the step up yet, just as poch said earlier this week. I'm not saying we won't sign anyone, I just think that once again we are making it unnecessaryily difficult for the start of the season.
hudderspur
08/08/2017 08:40:00
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If ever there was a time for Uncle Joe to create his legacy, it is now. He could put the cash into the club and even if he didn't, investing £150m now on players and wages would not bankrupt us, we are in superb financial shape. Bringing Bale back, if he wanted to come, would be a no brainer, both commercially and on the pitch.
vicspur
08/08/2017 08:52:00
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spurticus ... They always know what they are doing because they work to a plan in accordance with a budget. That doesn't mean everything will turn out well. It's football. As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions! Why are so many posters thinking the TW is over? There may be good reason for a moan, but surely not yet.
Geofspurs
08/08/2017 09:06:00
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E17 - the manager has already publicly indicated he wants a couple more senior squad players...
spurticus87
08/08/2017 09:07:00
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spurticus87 - Where do we start. "invest in a few quality additions" I love the way these comments are always kept nice and vague. What constitutes a quality addition and how much will that player cost in transfer fees and wages ? You don't appear to have much of a grasp of finance. In order for Leicester to become a bigger club they would need their income to increase permanently. A one off cash injection when they have an exceptional season doesn't change anything, the following year they just go back to their normal levels. You also seem to be confused about United. What you said was that finance FOLLOWED success. Which would mean that following last season their income would increase this season after presumably falling throughout the barren period since Ferguson. In fact their income never really fell at all. Which is why they can continue to buy players we can't afford, because they have three times our income whether or not they are successful. You remind me of when I briefly studied economics. People came up with all these economic models that bore no relation to how real world worked, rather like you and the way football finances really work.
jod
08/08/2017 09:07:00
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This isn't a moan, more highlighting that this is an opportunity to turn us into a world class club which are on the same playing level as the elites!
spurticus87
08/08/2017 09:08:00
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Jod, please don't question my intellect or ability to grasp finance. You really aren't a very pleasant person at times. United's current financial success is built upon years of success and their growth into the economic powerhouse that they are today is purely built upon their success under Fergie. Their revenue will increase next year on the back of wining two trophies and regaining Champions League football. They reason that they have not reduced their revenue through this transitional faze is because of the success they have had and the commercial fan base they have built up as a result...
spurticus87
08/08/2017 09:11:00
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I here what is being said needing 1st players, take Barkley groin injury wouldn't of been ready. We have a great 11 .. it's the back up we need ... Janssen will come good, sissoko still has to go ... once lamela and rose are back. We need a spare RB. I'm just glad I'm not having to try and get these players or do the negotiations.
E17YID
08/08/2017 09:29:00
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E-17 I agree. It is our lack of squad depth that prevented us from winning titles/trophies last year. Let's take the FA cup semi-final (a game we actually deserved to win). Chelsea fielded a weakened team... They had Batshauyi, Willian and Cesc Fabregas haha! For us that would have been Jansen, Winks and Onomah... I am realistic, however, I firmly believe we can consolidate our position if we invest. We have profited for the last several windows despite increased revenue streams and I think now is the time to take a calculated gamble and trust in Poch and the players he wants to recruit.
spurticus87
08/08/2017 09:34:00
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Jod's solution to this problem = do the same thing over and over and expect different results. Einstein once called that insanity. I wouldn't waste my time spurticus. Every time anyone has tried having that discussion with jod (and I have tried many times, even pointing to very specific players who were within our budget and could have improved us), he still comes back with the same remarks. And if you disagree with him, you don't understand finances.
BelgianSpur
08/08/2017 09:38:00
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Geof - yes the window is still open, but one thing is for certain: we have already missed the opportunity to strengthen in preparation for the 1st game of the season. For the first game, we are probably down to our 3rd choice RB (which is either Dier out of position or KWP, an academy player with zero PL experience), no Son (who is recovering from a broken arm), Rose, Winks and Lamela all returning from injuries (so where they are in terms of fitness is anyone's guess), and no additional signings to improve us. We have question marks at full back, attacking midfield, and unproven/unfit bench players in every sector (except for Vorm at GK, he's a good backup). If that isn't a reason to moan, I don't know what is.
BelgianSpur
08/08/2017 09:46:00
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BS ... Well, one thing is for sure .... we all understand football, but in different ways. :-)
Geofspurs
08/08/2017 09:46:00
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Geof - wouldn't you say that everything I have said is purely factual information? I am all for keeping a level head, but there really isn't any way to sugar coat the situation. How do you see it? Things are looking bad for Trippier at RB. There is no way around that. We either stick to 3 at the back, but have to include KWP, who is who he is (he can't help it, but he's not going to gain 10 years of PL experience overnight), or go to 4 at the back, with Dier the most sensible choice at RB. If we go with a 4231, who would start next to Alli and Eriksen? Lamela, who has been out forever? Sissoko, who has hardly proven to be a hit so far? N'Koudou, who is still an unproven player? These are legitimate questions wouldn't you say?
BelgianSpur
08/08/2017 09:54:00
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Sorry Jod, but I have to get this off my chest. You may be a qualified accountant with very high professional status, but please can you not get your point across without being condescending towards others, who may or may not have the same level of accountancy knowledge?. Whilst I welcome your input on the matter, which I often find enlightening, fans debate all sorts of things based on how they perceive things.

Spurticus, imo, Levy should not be made the scapegoat just because he doesn't blabber to the media. IMO, there is an element of failure on Poch's part to address out shortages. Since the MAIN squad is pretty much self-selecting, he WILL have difficulty in identifying the players which can IMPROVE us. Poch has been supported with finances and he HAS failed to recruit the right calibre of players in the past. The success/failure percentage is not yet in his favour. So, what's to say that Levy has his reservations based on the high player churn?...with almost 3 years under Poch we have had to make do with a 'real depth' squad of may be 15 players.
Critical_Spur
08/08/2017 09:54:00
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Spurticus, I fully agree, we can take a calculated risk that doesn't impede on our financial security, the fact we are at Wembley should increase revenue. I agree, we also have profit from sales, ley always comes out on top. The issue raised is, what players?. it is evident we need a Rb , poch doesn't yet trust KWP. With all the gossip being flung around, I would hazard a guess that levy has something up his sleeve. Maybe a Rafa van der Vvart kind of player. I still have a feeli g bale might be back this summer/ my winter. Barkley, I don't see him fitting in well at Spurs.
E17YID
08/08/2017 10:13:00
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Critical - other than Sissoko (when it was very clear Poch wanted Winaljdum) who has Poch signed that has been a failure? Far to early to judge Jansen. I am not directing any criticism at anyone, merely pointing out that I believe that we have the perfect opportunity to invest in the squad and achieve great things. I also believe that this could help us to cement our position as an elite club ready for the new stadium. Cannot helped Man U achieve great things. We may only be one elite signing away from creating a dynasty (although I fully accept we may not haha).
spurticus87
08/08/2017 10:14:00
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That should be Cantona
spurticus87
08/08/2017 10:16:00
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For me Mahrez is the one. We can afford him, he wants to leave, he would cost less than Walker was sold for. How often could we sign an EPL Player of the Year? He was marked out of games last season against Leicester. Teams cannot do that against a side filled with our quality. He brings lightening pace and an ability to do something special out of nothing that we have sometimes missed in the big games. He showed loyalty last year by staying with the team and performed exceptionally well in Europe (where we did not). For me he is the one we should be going all out for!
spurticus87
08/08/2017 10:19:00
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E17, Fazio, Stambouli, N'Jie, almost Sonny (he was mooted to be leaving last summer), and we are waiting on N'Koudou and Jannsen ....Sissoko a PL proven player needs a year to adapt?!
Critical_Spur
08/08/2017 10:19:00
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How many of those were players Poch wanted or 2nd/3rd choices?
spurticus87
08/08/2017 10:31:00
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spurticus - Critical's point is fair. MP still has the authority to say no to a player if he doesn't believe the player will improve us. He still sanctioned the deals for the players Critical listed, and he has to take responsibility for the failed transfers. I personally don't know how long you are willing to give Janssen, but the "far too early" argument is far gone for me. "Far too early" is valid for the first 3 months. After a full season, we are strongly leaning into the "most likely a failure but still a small chance he turns it around" territory. Son didn't have a great 1st season, but he still showed a lot more in that initial season than Janssen did in his.
BelgianSpur
08/08/2017 10:39:00
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It is a fair point made by critical and maybe I am a little over defensive of our messiah haha! I have learnt a very valuable lesson about giving a player time when I though Kane would never make it... I was very very wrong there! Janssen is young and has had one full season in the toughest league in the world. I think at the end of next season it is fair to say whether or not he is a failure.
spurticus87
08/08/2017 10:58:00
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As long as Levy controls THFC I dont believe we will see any top players coming in. That would make a mockery of his own desires to run the club appropriately. Potential is the best we can hope for, that has served us well up until now, but hanging on to our top players will always be a challenge wage wise. Hopefully the new stadium with increased revenues will change that stance, patience needed?
Thats Entertainment
08/08/2017 11:06:00
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Apologies E17, my post should've been directed at Spurticus!

No worries spurticus, we are all defensive/offensive based on how we interpret things. Poch is constantly in front of the camera and giving interviews and the hot topic is transfers at the mo. He has openly stated that he has DL's full support and we can only assume he is not towing the company line. None of us are privy to DL/Poch agreements on the matter and it's easy for us to apportion blame on one party or the other. True as we wonder who is/was responsible for some of the signings. Poch is not in the league of Conte, Mou and Pep where he can openly criticise transfer activity (lack of). Those 3 managers above probably command much higher respect from their club owners and may be Poch signed up to an entirely different remit. IMO, it is now a bit late to be concerning ourselves with the transfer window and we should now channel our energy towards the season because come what may, we ain't gonna make life easy for the so called 'bog boys'. COYS!
Critical_Spur
08/08/2017 11:20:00
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we will find out in 3 weeks and 2 days the window will be shut. Critical, fazio really was to slow for the EPL. Son, I don't think he wanted to leave just wanted to play to prove himself, and boy we should be glad he was given the chance he excelled so well last season. Janssen, came from a 2 bob league to the EPL, he is no worse than soldado he was awful. Stambouli, he didn't fit the mould. He sees the. Players day in day out so sure MP knows them well. He's a younger manager he will make mistakes ie sissoko.
E17YID
08/08/2017 11:21:00
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BS .... I see football as a simple enjoyment. I understand all of your points and, to an extent, agree with all of them. But I never dwell on something I can’t change. I think of where we are now compared to where we were a few years ago and I’m more than happy. We all know how Tottenham’s TWs go so why not accept it. That’s how we operate. Of course it makes sense to bring players in with enough time to adapt to our system but Levy, as we all know, does the dealing his way. The only assessment I make of it all is based on how much I enjoy watching the team play. And right now, I’m loving the way we play. And I guess much of my enjoyment stems from several previous ‘failed’ (apparently) TWS! TWs are risky for every club and are best assessed in hindsight, certainly not before they’ve ended. Just my opinion, of course.
Geofspurs
08/08/2017 11:22:00
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Interesting article especially using ManU and Ferguson as the example to follow. If I remember correctly it took them 6 years for Ferguson's formula to bring them a trophy or a league championship. This combination of Poch and Spurs are now entering their 4th season together. I'd say that puts us right on track. The core of this team are not going to run away just yet. Certainly we may sell one or two next season but it will be for huge money which will allow us to buy if we need to. However it is really up to the players to win, isn't it. If they are so good then they need to show it when it matters. They were close enough in two comps last season to know that they can do it with Spurs. Furthermore I can guarantee that if RM or Barca come calling for Eriksen or Deli (or any of the others for that matter excluding Kane) seriously, I dare say they will be gone in a flash, regardless of how good we are. So let's not fool ourselves that if we spend £100mm this team will last for 6 or 7 years together.
jvd
08/08/2017 11:29:00
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I agree, Geof, watching Spurs now is a pleasure and on our day as good as anyone in the EPL.
Thats Entertainment
08/08/2017 11:33:00
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I agree, we make for some pretty sensational viewing right now!
spurticus87
08/08/2017 11:50:00
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Geof - fair enough. I suppose it depends on what period of time you look back on, to benchmark our current situation. Compared to a few years ago, we are much stronger now. Compared to 50 years ago, as Frank would point out, we are probably weaker. What do you benchmark against? The way I look at it is that I hope for continuous/incremental progress, and expect the club to do everything it can to improve. Are we currently doing everything we can to improve? I think it's a fair question to ask. There will be highs and lows along the way, but the intent has to be there. I personally don't see a lot of intent at the minute. If the conclusion you come to is that entertainment comes first, and that you would be happy/entertained with the club in mid table as long as they play attractive football, that is of course a very understandable stance. It isn't one I share, but as I said, fair enough.
BelgianSpur
08/08/2017 12:02:00
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Belgian, when you say you don't see intent at the moment, what do you mean? is it the fact we are not spending 100-150 mil in TW?
Thats Entertainment
08/08/2017 12:10:00
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BS .... As you know, Spurs won the Double in 61. How do you progress from that? All top clubs become the victim of their own success. The reality for virtually all clubs is that successful periods end but the club keeps going. You can't 'benchmark' that. It is what it is .... football.
Geofspurs
08/08/2017 12:35:00
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I was lucky. My time as a Spurs supporter coincided with the greatest era in the club’s history. That was over five decades ago and I’m still waiting to see my second league title. I didn’t expect to win the Double every year but I did expect to win the league again before now. It hasn’t happened. But what I am seeing now is probably the best football this club has played since the sixties with that incredible Double team (I’d be interested in Franks thoughts on that). I don’t know if I’ll ever get to see this club take another title but I do know that I am seeing a Spurs team play the Spurs way and entertaining me with flair and style on a weekly basis. I can settle for that. And you never know ....
Geofspurs
08/08/2017 13:13:00
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All we want is steady improvement. With 5 days to go until the season starts we are clearly weaker (and we have helped strengthen one of our ri§gals in the process). Record premier league profits for the last two years with a third on the way indicates to me that Levy is being somewhat economical with the truth when he said our stadium build will not impact transfer spend. I ageee 100% with Sparticus, we are so close to atolls winning team but The owners/management are not willing to make that final push.
DoncasterHotspur
08/08/2017 13:58:00
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Geof - I suppose European success (winning the CL) trumps domestic success, and then there is the challenge of repeating that. But I take your point - every club is going to hit a ceiling at some point. I just think we still have a little ways to go before we are talked of in the same vein as Real Madrid is all :-). As far as style, I think that our football in 2011 was just as entertaining, so I feel like we have been here before. What we haven't done in my lifetime is win a title. You always long for what you don't have.
BelgianSpur
08/08/2017 14:08:00
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TE- as Doncaster just pointed out, losing a starting player, selling him to a rival, being willing to begin the season with a reduced squad due to multiple injuries, while not addressing any of the weaknesses identified last season is hardly showing intent. Whether we sign a player worth 5 million or 50 million is up to scouts or the manager. It's their job to find value. Intent has nothing to do with the amount of money spent. It has everything to do with actions being taken to make sure that we are a better/more complete squad than we were last year. The injury to Trippier just shows that because we lack depth, one single injury is going to force us to either start an academy player with zero PL experience against Newcastle, or have to change our entire system to use Dier as a makeshift RB. What happens if Kane gets injured now? We are left to trust Janssen again, despite a rather unconvincing start to his Spurs career. What if Alli or Eriksen get injured now? No credible cover (Son's out, Lamela has been out for ages and is building up match fitness, N'Koudou is unproven, Sissoko is a mystery, ...). If Dembélé or Wanyama get injured, we are relying on a recovering Winks. We are not in great shape at the moment.
BelgianSpur
08/08/2017 14:24:00
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"Put it this way, since we sold those two Tottenham greats, Luka and Gareth, we have improved a lot." I think you are conveniently forgetting a period between 2013 and 2015 when we went through 3 managers, finished behind Everton, finished 6th twice and were miles away from any of the other top 6 clubs after finishing 4th in 2012. It eventually got better again from 2016 onwards, but we went backwards for 3 seasons. That prospect doesn't sound very appealing right now.
BelgianSpur
08/08/2017 14:30:00
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DA - because history has a funny way of repeating itself. We have tried the "let's sell our good players and not replace them" strategy, and it hardly worked out well for us. Why should it work this time around? Back then, I was willing to be open-minded about the approach. Well, that approach hasn't delivered any trophy and we are several years later. At what point do we decide to try something different, which might actually lead to a trophy?
BelgianSpur
08/08/2017 14:47:00
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Lads when will you all realise that there are only two men who a) understand finance, and b) know what well run means, they are of course Daniel Levy and his PR guru Jod. This of course depends what you mean by well run, and whether you are either running a football club or a merchant bank. I have been around Spurs since the 50s and this is the longest period I can remember when we haven't either won a trophy, or been to a final. Gone are the days when we looked forward to years ending in 1 as our next opportunity, gone are the days when we vied in the transfer windows for top players. To say a decent signing or two would likely bankrupt the club is a blatant lie. This window we have the Sky money (£100M ish,) the proceeds from the Fazio, Benteleb, and Walker deals, the 2nd place prize money from last season, and the profit carried over from the last 2 transfer windows, a sum total all together of some £200M to invest in fees and wages for at least 2/3 decent players. We are assured by honest Daniel that the new ground account, and the playing budget are separate and independent so we could if the will were there sign at least a couple. The article states that both Chelsea and City are backed by billionaire owners and that Utd aren't, but have lived off consistent success. We have neither, we are not backed by our billionaire owner in on the pitch investment, hence we have never had the level of investment to build the team/squad necessary to live off of consistent success. Consequently we are between two stalls, we can't build a consistently successful team, so can't live of regular trophy winning success. It is a crying shame that the club who were the first English European Trophy winners, the first double winners in the 20th century, and the club that taught the rest the way to play in the modern era (the 60,61 double team), regular contenders for FA, League Cups, and the lesser European Trophies has been left behind due to lack of investment, lack of risk taking, lack of ambition and the the will to win. I remember with affection when we were often accused by Arsenal supporters of only going to Highbury occasionally "to take the pi$$", which of course was absolutely true. Since then of course they have built a new stadium (when we should have as well), Chelsea have got a winner as an owner, City have emerged, again due to owner investment, and Liverpool and Utd have built on success after success, gained by regular steady player investment leading to trophies and titles. In the meantime we have had two glaring opportunities to progress, the first occasion was when the HR squad became the first newcomers to get to the CL QF, we failed to build on that, indeed the heart of the team was speedily sold, and now the present squad, which has achieved two top 3 finishes but has several glaring squad weaknesses, but once again there is a marked absence of any investment in an attempt to go to the next step and win the PL or at least a major trophy. So yes we are brilliantly run if we were a building Society or a bank, but we are a football club that has won one minor trophy in the last 16 years. If that is being brilliantly run I am baffled. Lets have a bit of recklessness and see how that goes. One thing for sure we won't be going bust, Bahama's Joe's money is safe, especially as he has no intent on spending any of it, not on Spurs anyway. What we have to remember is that the level of success enjoyed by the likes of Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Utd and Liverpool during the 16 years of ENIC's Spurs tenure is unsustainable, it must be be because Desperate Danny says so, and he knows.
Frank
08/08/2017 14:51:00
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Belgian, I think in Walker we sold our 2nd choice, he knew that and at 45 mil+ I think good business. I would be shocked if we fail to bring in a replacement for our 2nd choice RB before TW closes, Dier can play there so we do have time. As for our "weaknesses" do you mean having a lightweight bench, because I can't see any in starting lineup. Do players want to come to Spurs to sit on said bench, like I said in my earlier post I believe we will continue to buy potential until our revenues increase.
Thats Entertainment
08/08/2017 15:05:00
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Frank. You are spot on except that we don't even need some recklessness. The money is there for some sensible investment but Levy is completely unwilling to do so. The season does not start on August 31st, it starts on Sunday and we are simply not ready nor do we seem to be making any attempts to be ready (I'm sure people will say that there is stuff going on behind the scenes, but these days it is very difficult to keep deals quiet). Pretty embarrassing for a Champions League club. The only gossip around is actually for potential departures - Sissoko and Rose. I would suggest that the stadium is the main reason for the lack of investment despite what Levy says. He should just be honest with us.
DoncasterHotspur
08/08/2017 15:06:00
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spot on Frank. We lost the last two PL titles in the first 10 games . i believe it was because we did not have a settled squad due to leaving it too late in the transfer window. Has Levy not learnt how his penny pinching has cost us far more in the short term.
spurman61
08/08/2017 15:14:00
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You make valid points at times Frank, but your inability to identify with or demonstrate any comprehension of the 'other side' of the argument makes it hard to support your views. You state that Bale and Modric were swiftly sold. You act like it is the owners fault that these players wanted to go and not that the most glamorous club in the world offered them 5x their pay and champions league glory! Neymar, Ronaldo, Figo, Suarez etc. and soon to be Coutinho demonstrate that it is impossible to prevent player sales in the modern game. There is a difference between looking to sell and being unable to prevent a sale. You also fail to acknowledge the progress the team has made over the last few years and how truly excellent we have been to watch. Over the last 2 seasons we have scored more points, goals and conceded less goals than any other premier league team. Yes, we have just missed out, but we are pushing for a title and not top 4 now!!! Failing to acknowledge these points takes credibility away from your arguments and some very valid points that you do make!
spurticus87
08/08/2017 15:15:00
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Frank, I don't always agree with your posts, but I love the way you get your point over and never insult other posters. Long may you post mate!
Thats Entertainment
08/08/2017 15:17:00
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TE - My post was not intended as an insult!
spurticus87
08/08/2017 15:19:00
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In other words Frank I share your views on a lack of investment in the playing staff at times, particularly when we were close a couple of years ago and our inability to act swiftly in the market. I also agree with you that this, as was then, perfect times to invest in the squad and Enic should be doing so. I also believe they are lying to us when they say that the stadium isn't affecting investment in the squad. However, I don't blame them for Modric and Bale and think we have done very well over the past couple of seasons and don't let a lack of silverware detract from that. I wouldn't swap United's last season (playing awful football) with ours, but that is purely my opinion...
spurticus87
08/08/2017 15:25:00
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Spurticus, I hadn't read your post when I posted that, so no dig at you fella.
Thats Entertainment
08/08/2017 15:26:00
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TE - if you want to believe that Walker was second choice, go right ahead. I just have to point to the number of starts last year, or the year before, or the reason why Trippier even got into the team in the first place (a Walker injury - Kieran didn't win the spot on merit), or the fact that it is Walker, not Trippier who was in the PFA team of the season for the last 2 years and in the England squad to prove my point. We sold Walker because City put enough money on the table, and because we had a replacement who was only slightly inferior. But Walker was the better player of the 2, make no mistake about it. Trippier may eventually match or surpass Walker (or may stagnate and never progress), but at present time, we are a weaker team since Kyle left. And I'm tired of hearing the "we can't sign anyone because they'll sit on the bench" argument. Our rivals have no problem doing so. Do you think Salah is going to Liverpool expecting to walk right into the starting lineup, with Wijnaldum, Mane, Lallana, Coutinho, Firmino and others vying for starts? He still went there because a) Liverpool are in the CL and they'll play enough games to keep everyone happy, and b) he probably backs himself to win a starting spot. We can offer exactly the same opportunities.
BelgianSpur
08/08/2017 15:32:00
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Our lack of transfer activity will not only be this window, but many others while we repay our debts , so us Spurs fans will have to get used to it. Hiring Poch as manager, building one of the best training centres in the world at Bull Cross all hints at a long term ambition of producing talented youngsters through the pipeline, sure we will sign players but dont expect big massive names and ready made world class players signing for us anytime soon. So far so good from our academy, the likes of Kane and Winks are already involved with the first team and players like KWP, Oakley Booth , Goergiou, CCV, and Onamoh all look promising. Sure there are some youngsters who will fall short, but the same can be said of senior pros. Soldado was supposed to be the guy who would get 20+ plus goals in a season but it ended up being Kane, a player at the time hardly no one rated. For the first time in a very long time i can actually see a clear philosophy and a vision from the club.
spurfect one
08/08/2017 15:32:00
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Cheers TE, Spurfect - It's not that I didn't rate him! I thought he was awful, but my god does humble pie taste damn good :)
spurticus87
08/08/2017 15:37:00
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Dele-MANON-Arri, I certainly enjoy being insulted, i'm married to a Gooner :(
Thats Entertainment
08/08/2017 15:38:00
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I personally think Frank understands the economics of running a football club just as well as any of us do, and he has been around longer than most of us to know that there are others ways to run a football club. I don't think Frank ever said there was anything we could do to stop Bale/Modric from leaving. He just regrets our inability to replace these players with the funds we gained. Spurticus, if you doubt for one second that Barca are going to spend heavily to replace Neymar (coincidentally with another example of yours, Coutinho), and that Liverpool won't in turn reinvest the Coutinho money in a world class player if they do sell, I think you're mistaken. And therein lies the difference. We once sold Berbatov and Keane in a window, and got Fraizer Campbell to replace them. We sold Modric & VdV and replaced them by Dembélé, who was half the player they were at the time, and half the player he is now. We sold Bale and replaced him with 7 players, only 2 of which are still at the club, with one of them constantly injured.
BelgianSpur
08/08/2017 15:43:00
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Belgian, I didn't make Walker 2nd choice, Poch did, that's why he does what he does and we do what we do :)
Thats Entertainment
08/08/2017 15:43:00
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Let’s take stock for a minute and see what we do have. Sissoko is an enigma, we know he can do it, we know he has the ability and we have seen flashes of what he can do, its down to Poch to get his attitude right and his skill sets will follow. Injuries may force Poch to reconsider Sissoko's time at the club. Lamela has been out for a year and he will almost be like a new signing and could come back stronger. Danny R has been a big miss but his return too will give us new options. Forget the paper talk I can’t see Poch allowing Danny to go. Nkoudou could add something to our side, he was limited to just eight Premier League appearances in 2016/17, totalling just 83 minutes. Georges never got a full league game to prove himself. We need pace down the flanks especially the right-hand side and N’Koudou could offer that this season. His assist to Janssen against Roma last month shows the potential he has. I hope MoPo gives him his chance as we could do with his ability to use the width of the pitch, something we certainly need at Wembley. Son is not far away from a return so that’s 4 Players we would benefit from adding to the team sheets soon. Janssen is hungry to prove himself and if he leaves Spurs it will feel like unfinished business for him. Then there are the youngsters Harry Winks, Josh Onomah, CCV, KWP, Shayon Harrison, Tashan Oakley-Boothe and Marcus Edwards all bright prospects for the squad. Certainly good enough to play in the early rounds of the FA and League Cup where they can prove themselves and maybe on the bench for teams like Brighton and Huddersfield. Josh O’s lone spell to Villa can only do him good. Manchester United had some raw talents in the shape of Wayne Rooney and Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes they were thrown in to the bear pit at young ages and they managed to come out as world class players. If anyone get find the potential in our young guys its Poch! Levy is keeping his powder dry as he always does cos he likes brinkmanship he likes the 12th Hour deal but he does have a problem, its called success, whilst we may have moved forward as a club we still have only one League Cup trophy in the cabinet after all the years ENIC have been in charge and that is unacceptable for a club as big as ours. The X factor is the CL that's why we need to buy and buy well we cant enter season 2018/19 in the Europa League, that wont attract big players. We are victims of our own success; the better we have become the more we have to keep up with the competition. We might have enough in the squad for the League but not enough to progress in the CL. As Poch says it’s difficult to find someone on the market that is either good enough to improve the squad or is not too expensive for our meager budgets. Manchester City have spent £212m so far, United £145.8m, Chelski £130.4m even Everton £93.4m with the Gooners at £52.7m. Liverpool £47.9m and West Ham at £40m. Will it make these clubs better teams? Who knows?
OyVeh Maria
08/08/2017 15:45:00
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Spurticus, hopefully this doesn't come across as big headed but i was all for Kane getting more game time at the time, i completely understand why fans had their reservations, Kane wasn't exactly looking like the player he is now, but i always saw something in him, the way i see something in KWP. On the flip side i also thought Verts was a lovely foootballer but wouldn't be able to cut it as a class cb for us, i also thought at the time he had an attitude problem, i eat humble pie everytime he plays now. My point is fans just think about the here and now, whilst i would welcome new signings, lets have faith in our coaches, our youngsters as well. Its not all doom and gloom simply because we cant spend 100's of millions in one window. Smart signings coupled with academy progression is what we will do.
spurfect one
08/08/2017 15:52:00
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Spurfect - I am very positive about the news season, the club and the team as a whole. However, I firmly believe that we are a couple of signings away from being able to win the league/champions league...
spurticus87
08/08/2017 16:11:00
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You've got to love the papers... Man U face competition from Inter for Danny Rose... Because Inter have £60 - 70 million for a left back just hanging around!
spurticus87
08/08/2017 16:14:00
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BelgianSpur, I don't think there is an inability to replace players sold, hence overal, the club is trending up, not down. Given how much we spend on wages/transfers, we are already "overachieving". Whether we invest enough is a separate question altogether. But building a successful team on a relatively small budget is incredibly difficult. How do you sell a player like Bale and replace him with a £70k a week player.. not easy.
Guyver
08/08/2017 17:38:00
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Guyver - nobody said it was easy. The fact is that some clubs are just better at it than we are. I look at the Southamptons of this world, and they have lost Lambert, Lallana, Shaw, Clyne, Lovren, Mane, Wanyama and others in recent years, and they have not only maintained their position, but replaced those leaving players with arguably even better ones (Toby, Van Dijk) along the way, without breaking the bank. Fair play to them, and it puts some of our deals into perspective. I agree that we are overachieving when it comes to league position, but we are in the bottom 3 when it comes to how much of our revenue we reinvest in player wages. Just imagine the players we could be signing with a different model. The 100k per week cap has nothing to do with our inability to pay players more; it has everything to do with a self-imposed limit dictated by Levy.
BelgianSpur
08/08/2017 17:46:00
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TE- I still don' t understand how you can say Walker was MP's 2nd choice when he played Walker 33 times in the PL last year, and Trippier 12 times. If you look at only the last few games, when Walker was recovering from an injury and there were already rumours about him wanting to leave, then yes, MP played Trippier more often. But that isn't very representative is it?
BelgianSpur
08/08/2017 17:52:00
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Belgian, it is representative that Tripps was playing when Walker had regained full fitness. I think you feel that Walker is the better player, in that case I understand your viewpoint. Imo I know trippier will always put a better cross in and defend better with less mistakes, I think Poch might be thinking along those lines as well.
Thats Entertainment
08/08/2017 18:12:00
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BelgianSpur, Some clubs are better at it than us or just one club? We're one of the best (if not the best) in the league when it comes to replacing players and maintaining our position, while competing with 5 teams who massively outspend us. Southampton regularly finish where they should finish. Mid table, with teams who have a very similar budget to them. If your contention is how much we should be investing, then as I said, thats a different question.
Guyver
08/08/2017 18:22:00
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btw I do agree that our preparation for this season, ie lack of signings has left our already small squad, very vulnerable for the start of the season, as demonstrated by Trippiers injury.
Guyver
08/08/2017 18:47:00
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A few points after reading so many comments. First this TW window seems even more unusual than previous and I have a hunch why! The feeling I am getting at this time surrounding the club reminds me of something we instigated many years ago, we were the leaders in bringing in foreign players Ossie and Ricky, we led the way, it was huge. I really do feel at this time we are vdoing something different again, leading the way, but this time, we are breaking the mojo, breaking the vicious circle that is sending football into madness, we are the leaders trying to break the mould that had taken a grip on the PL, and it's the madness of huge spending on average players. We will be and are being critised, noone likes those who don't conform, those who wanjt fit in to the model everyone perceives to be the right way. I truly feeling this is waht Spurs are all about now, nothing to do with Levy Enic not backing the club, nothing to do with Levy being tight and making profits and not investing, I truly feel Poch is a different kettle of fish, he is grass roots, he loves the coaching, the idea of improving players, getting them to realise their potential, attaining sucess from hard work and he and Levy have decided to do it 'our way' and try and bring football back to its roots, which is admorable, and imo the right way.

We are not scared, 'to dare is to do' - many fans take that statement to mean, spend spend and spend more, invest invest invest more, win at all costs, well it could be said that statement means 'don't be a lamb, a follower, a status quo' be brave and be different, be daring, and creat your own identity, your own ideas and stop being a second hand club, second hand human being, second hand player, be unique, be true to yourself and stop following others, that is bravery.

Most top managers, coaches these days buy success, many players live in a hubble and have lost touch with reality, with football, its all about 'selfishness, money', you see it all the time. Players who are still in nappies want to be playing first team football and earnijg big money before they have proved anything, that is not football, that is greed, ego and damn right arrogance.

So for me I see something happening at Spurs that may just bring an end to this stupidity football has got itself into. If we pull it off, watch football change for the better. Clubs will follow suit, they will recruit within, they will improve on their academies and they will stop paying silly money for players that are little better than average, putting their clubs under pressure. Leciester won the PL with hard work and grit and determination, we pushed Chelsea to the end through similar attitude, the difference between us and Leciester is other clubs were not ready for Leciester, they gave them less attention because they didn't believe they could do it, often teams didn't turn up when they met Leciester, and they were not a big club, other clubs like beating top clubs, so they played better against us, and not Leceister that season.

Now we have continue from that season to improve and kept our players other than one, Walker who I feel left for reasons unknown to us, but it feel like there was more to that transfer than meets the eye, we will not know yet, and I am not suggesting it was a fall out, it could have been personal, Walkers partner is expecting, was that a factor, is there a problem in the family, we don't know, but it will come out one day probably when Walker retires.

So I feel we are leading the way and trying to break new ground by being different, I welcome that because its madness what is happening with transfer fees.
It'sME
08/08/2017 19:23:00
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