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A Thorn In Our Side

Okay, so Danny Rose has been taped up and quite blatantly by his own agent. For those who have read it this morning it makes quite unpleasant and disturbing reading...he is as good as gone.

The amount of contradictions in his statement are staggering! For those who haven't read it he has said (and I'm paraphrasing here)...

'If a Manchester club comes in for me, I'm gone! And if they don't then I want a massive pay rise because I'm class!'

I am an internal optimist but we are now starting to look like we have a few problems.

He is stating a lack of ambition by the board and a lack of silverware as reasons for wanting to move. What's all your thoughts on this because I am spewing at that interview this morning!

No loyalty for the club and coach who made him the player he is...

I remember a more humble interview where he acknowledged that if it wasn't for Poch he wouldn't be anywhere near the player he is now!

Given how well we played last season without him, I wouldn't be overly worried if Walker hadn't already left. However, I am worried about which player will stand up (be tapped up) next and all of a sudden decide that they want to move on...

If he does go to United I would demand Luke Shaw as part of any deal. Maybe Luke can inform both Walker and Rose about what happens to wing backs after they leave Poch...

COYS

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Writer:spurticus87
Date:Thursday August 10 2017
Time: 8:04AM

Comments

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I'm presuming everyone else has read that interview and decided VS is not for them this morning haha
spurticus87
10/08/2017 09:09:00
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And it should be eternal optimist...
spurticus87
10/08/2017 09:19:00
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We managed ok without him for much of last season, hope he stays though.
Thats Entertainment
10/08/2017 09:30:00
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Morning Sparticus. Basically he said nothing we didn't already know. He is basically saying the owners lack ambition. Record premier league profits for two years in a row, soon to be three tells you everything. Weakening an already small squad (also strengthening our rivals) without re-investing also tells you everything. Three days to go until the season starts and we are no where near prepared. Two or three injuries have exposed what everyone knew - the squad isn't anywhere near strong enough. Watford have just spent £30m plus on two strikers. don't tell me we cannot afford additions. Chelsea have just bid £35m for the Ox, a 23 year old England squad player with one year to go on his contract just like Ross Barkley. This bid was rejected. Everton will surely use this as a guide for Barkley's asking price. Levy will no doubt only go to £20m. Last season was the most exciting I can remember as a Spurs fan - I have even upgraded to a season ticket such was my optimism for this season. There was such a special vibe about the club in May. This has all changed. The owners lack of ambition and desire to capitalise on the success has diminished the feel good factor. Shame on them.
DoncasterHotspur
10/08/2017 09:32:00
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TE - I know! I questioned if I was over reacting because I'm a Spurs fan but given the slating Gary Neville has given him on Twitter I'm clearly not alone! I would rather he stayed but would definitely demand Shaw as part of any deal. At least we have Davies fit and ready whilst we could get Shaw back to his Pochettino best...
spurticus87
10/08/2017 09:33:00
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This was bound to happen sooner or later, you can go along trying to run a club on a shoestring budget, paying half what others do in wages, and refusing to compete in the market place for so long, but when your top players see what others of similar ability can earn, and their potential to win things, they look enviously on moves away. Kyle Walker has shown his former colleagues what is out there, and has turned some heads, this was bound to happen. We have been incredibly lucky that it has taken so long, no doubt it will be a trend that will continue. If we are as skint, or as reluctant to spend as suggested we should be honest, cash in on our best players, and resign ourselves to competing with Southampton, Stoke, West Ham and the like to become the "best of the rest". One thing for sure is that these top players will seek salaries reflecting their quality, their true value, and their scarcity value. If you pay peanuts you get monkeys, and these guys are certainly not monkeys. The likes of Ali, Kane, Alderwiereld, Eriksen, Rose, Son could command 50%-100% salary increases elsewhere in the PL, this is an unfortunate fact of life. These guys are pros involved in a limited career, and rightly need to earn top money while they can, as well as seeking the best chance to win honours. We are in a cleft stick where our revenues are only 6th in the PL and we have a billionaire owner who does not involve himself in " on the pitch" investment strategies, unlike many of his peers in a similar financial position. You can maintain all sorts of romantic views on how things should be, but you have to accept how things actually are, and if you can't stand the heat, you can leave the kitchen.
Frank
10/08/2017 09:34:00
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Doncaster - had he not invited the Manchester clubs to bid for him I would be inclined to agree. However, this is purely financially motivated after finding out how much his good northern friend Mr Kyle Walker is now earning.
spurticus87
10/08/2017 09:35:00
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It's hard to argue with that Frank. However, you have to concede that we can't pay our wing backs £150k plus a week! If we were to do that our wage bill would be over £100 million a year purely for the starting 11 players!
spurticus87
10/08/2017 09:39:00
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Spaticus - I agree it is about money but i also believe the lack of ambition at Spurs has a negative effect on the club. Others will follow, probably next summer and Poch will not be far behind them.
DoncasterHotspur
10/08/2017 09:40:00
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Doncaster - you are very unfortunately 100% correct. As was I when I wrote the 'Now is the Time' article 2 days ago!
spurticus87
10/08/2017 09:41:00
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spurticus - can you really fault a player for wanting a market-rate salary? It baffles me how this surprises anyone. Rose goes away on international duty, he's sitting in a dressing room with the likes of Shaw, Baines, Clyne and other fullbacks who all massively out-earn him, and he's better than all of them. The reality is that he probably could have left 1 or 2 seasons ago already, and he has already give Spurs the home discount just to see if any silverware was imminent. Given that the club aren't really showing much intent to strengthen, and there's a difficult season ahead playing in a new stadium, it doesn't really surprise me that some players are asking questions. He's just seen a longtime mate and colleague go to a rival to double his salary. What did you think would happen?
BelgianSpur
10/08/2017 09:41:00
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I just read Neville's tweets. Essentially he isn't condemning Rose for wanting to leave or voicing opinions about his own career. He's saying that Rose shouldn't have gone as far as questioning the club's ambitions. His message was "stay professional, talk about your own path, but don't drag others in the discussion". Probably a fair point.
BelgianSpur
10/08/2017 09:48:00
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I think other clubs are looking at us and thinking our players are there for the taking, because we're not moving on from last season. Roses comment about we need to bring players in you don't need to Google says it all, hope other players in the squad don't feel the same way.
Thats Entertainment
10/08/2017 09:48:00
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Looks like he's as good as gone to United - and I would imagine Shaw will be part of any deal. Jose doesn't rate him, and he loves Poch. What we reckon, £40 + Shaw??
Freundian Slip
10/08/2017 09:56:00
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The only part of the interview that has really pi**ed me off, was the 'why should I play to the levels I played to last season again when I'm not being paid what I'm worth' - that, I think was really lacking in class. You play to the best level you can because that's exactly what you're paid to do - whether you're worth more or not, is irrelevant - you signed a deal, that means you owe us 100% until you're sold. I don't think if he stayed he'd only be putting in 80%, but at the same time that's the bit that annoyed me, the rest, is unfortunately looking rather fair/honest - don't agree with the way he's gone about it, but hard to argue with what he's saying.
Freundian Slip
10/08/2017 09:59:00
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Firstly, questioning club's ambitions openly and citing the need for on par remunerations whilst a fair and honest opinion, I personally think to be so critical of the club in that manner does not bode well for the player. Poch and Levy should be seething reading this, but may be, just may be, it's a wake up call for them?...I doubt it. IMO, it's another excuse for the club to dispense with another high profile player and point the fingers elsewhere. Then the fans will say his head was turned so we can't blame the management. This could be well be a tip of the iceberg. Fail to at least consolidate from last two season, I'd have a small wager there will be others seeking pastures new next season. We don't add to the squad in a timely manner and the current players begin to wonder why they should be slogging their guts week in week out to compensate for the hierarchy's shortcomings. Talk about the new shiny stadium and state of the art training facilities as much as you like. At the end of the day, it's about ambitions and money. Let's see how the club handles this vocal outrage.....where's Pele 10 ?!! COYS...but not so sure about the 'Watch us Rise'.
Critical_Spur
10/08/2017 10:09:00
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Very disappointing his words even if his words are true, and does make some valid points, so can't really blame him for feeling that way, but saying it is gonna cause problems, but this is Spurs, and this is the way we do it.
Ossie
10/08/2017 10:11:00
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Freundian Slip, just as in our normal jobs, when other clubs are prepared to acknowledge your skill and endeavour and offer you better incentives, surely we would all reconsider our options. His best buddy (Walker, who he was close to and joined us at about the same time) has backed his argument by action.
Critical_Spur
10/08/2017 10:11:00
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And just to add, imo Rose is a far superior WB and defender than Walker.
Critical_Spur
10/08/2017 10:15:00
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Levy is losing the dressing room.....Poor old Poch!
OyVeh Maria
10/08/2017 10:22:00
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Critical, spot on, rose is superior to Walker, that's why we should all be worried.
Thats Entertainment
10/08/2017 10:22:00
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I'd certainly miss Rose more than walker. A Rose by any other name might not be easy to find.
Geofspurs
10/08/2017 10:22:00
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IMO, his comments are not off the cuff remarks, more likely been simmering for quite some time and then Walker's move and Chelsea + United interest tipped him over the edge. No doubt his agent and family have had an input too.
Critical_Spur
10/08/2017 10:27:00
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Apparently Walker and Rose share the same agent!
Critical_Spur
10/08/2017 10:30:00
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What about if we signed a high profile left back and Rose became back-up, would he be asking for players you don't need to google then?!
Metal Spurs
10/08/2017 10:34:00
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Spurticus, here's some of what Sky have quoted:

"Time is running out and I do want to win trophies. I don't want to play football for 15 years and not have one trophy or one medal. Sorry, that's not what I am about. I wouldn't be happy with that. I want to win something.

"I will say this too, I will play up north. I don't know exactly when but I will get back up north and play some football somewhere. I have been away for over 10 years now and I don't get to see my mum that often.>br>
"I'm not saying I want out, but if something came to me that was concrete, I'd have no qualms about voicing my opinions to anyone at the club."

Rose revealed he hopes Spurs make a couple of signings - "not players you have to Google and say, 'Who's that?' I mean well-known players" - and called Walker's departure "a big blow".

"I know my worth and I will make sure I get what I am worth. I am not playing as well as I have done not to get paid what I think I am worth. In any walk of life, if you think you are worth a certain amount, why settle for less? I am not that person."


I loved the google comment!!
Critical_Spur
10/08/2017 10:34:00
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Well it's taken one of our senior players to say what we all think. Poor timing and lacked class but the message was there. Show ambition, compete in the market or I'm off. Disappointing, sad, but very true.
hudderspur
10/08/2017 10:36:00
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Well, I must admit, I had to google and youtube Dele, Janseen the two apostrophe's, but didn't have to do much searching to know about Sissoko! :0)
Critical_Spur
10/08/2017 10:44:00
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Has he said anything that is not true? Perhaps he should have been more aware about what he says in the media, he should know how the media love to create something out of nothing. Certainly, he should not be seen to be bashing his own club. We know that any player who crosses Poch is out.
vicspur
10/08/2017 10:49:00
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Critical - I do agree, but it's the way it's been said. I don't presume to know many of you guys, but I Iike to think you're decent workers - we all should give it our best at work - could we earn more elsewhere, almost certainly, but you give it 100% and go out the right way if/when you leave. Implying 'why should I give 100%' is not right. I get that he and Walker were close, I also understand that they share an agent and that Walker now pays more in taxes each week and Danny earns in wages - it's not right, I can't argue with that.
Freundian Slip
10/08/2017 10:50:00
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One thing's for sure, I'm holding zero hope towards Toby committing beyond his current deal.
Freundian Slip
10/08/2017 10:51:00
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Rose and Walker sharing the same agent wouldn't surprise me. Also all of last season the likes of Danny Murphy and Jermane Jenas have been saying Spurs players are under-payed and should demand more or move elsewhere, which maybe had some influence. Hard to disagree with Roses comments, based on the last 2 seasons, but then again, didn't he sign a new 5 year contract recently as Sept 2016..
Guyver
10/08/2017 10:53:00
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Signing a 5-year contract means nothing. Essentially, when a player and a club negotiate terms, the player will negotiate salary, and the club will negotiate length. It's in the club's advantage to sign long contracts, because it drives the transfer value up. I don't think that most players expect to play out their contracts according to the original terms. The club makes sure there are many years left on the deal at any time, but mostly as to fend off interest from other clubs, that's it. The players will expect frequent renegotiations if it is in their best interest. Hasn't Kane signed 3 5-year deals in the last 3 years, each time with improved conditions? Rose played under favourable conditions for the club for 12 months. He now expects a raise. No surprise there.
BelgianSpur
10/08/2017 11:21:00
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Rose is in a position of strength he is a sort after player and worth a lot of money. The same as Walker, who Rose believes is the best RB in the country. Spurs ambition of wining trophies has been questioned by Conte, Toby and rose in an earlier interview. Selling Walker was a bad management decision. The players will know what walker is earning and see he plays for a club that wants to win trophies. Spurs are about selling players for profit and finishing top6 anything more is a bonus to the board. After finishing 2nd last season two quality additions and not selling Walker and spurs would have been good to go.
palmover
10/08/2017 11:23:00
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Vicspur he should not have issued a come and get me plea to Manchester... Very unprofessional. The club comments, although very true, are more about defending his wish for a transfer than anything else! If they had been made without the plea then fair enough...
spurticus87
10/08/2017 11:30:00
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Imo I can't see Levy letting Rose go this TW, it would start a domino effect even Levy couldn't stop.
Thats Entertainment
10/08/2017 11:31:00
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And I hate to say I told you so but only 2 days ago I predicted this happening...
spurticus87
10/08/2017 11:32:00
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Belgian, it means Rose had no issue with the wages offered at the time, unlike Toby Alderweireld, who seems to be evaluating his options, or holding out for more. Since then, Rose has mostly been injured, so technically hasn't done anything to deserve a raise like Harry Kane. But I agree contracts aren't as meaningful as they probably should be.
Guyver
10/08/2017 11:32:00
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As always lots of moaning about a lack of ambition, zero on how you pay for it. When someone actually explains how to finance the extra spending without using cash you don't have I'll start paying attention.
jod
10/08/2017 11:33:00
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Whether he is right or wrong in his opinion or his right to express how he feels, it was absolutely wrong to do so publicly. As an intelligent person you must know that such comments would have a disruptive effect on team morale and togetherness. It is simply seditious. As far as I am concerned I would advise him that if he wants to go north he can start discussions with Celtic and or Rangers but no PL clubs. Other than that go to Europe to a big club there. As far as I am concerned he's a ******** for making those comments after receiving his pay for 6 months while not kicking a football, injury or not. Move on Rose but not to ManU or Chelsea or any other to 7 PL club. Just my humble opinion. We did without you for 6 months and we will find someone else.
jvd
10/08/2017 11:38:00
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I have to ask, are we all getting a bit carried away by an article written by the sensationalist Sun newspaper? If he did say some of those things, then it would be concerning, but I think to start with you have to take it with a pinch of salt. If he did go, I think he'd be a far bigger miss than Walker and would strengthen whoever he went to much more as good left backs are far harder to find and Luke Shaw is nowhere near Rose's level in my opinion.
Parklaneyido
10/08/2017 11:43:00
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Sick making an example out of our great club . 5 yrs let him rot and make a statement about greedy footballers. Discussing human being coys one team
bazdog
10/08/2017 11:44:00
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He wants to be paid what he is worth? He has been sick since January, sick pay is £150 a week mate. Send him the bill for his medical care. And whats this about wanting Luke Shaw in return/ wake up....Luke Shaw another sick lister, cant play top grade...over rated, same as that bloke John Stones, useless and over rated. Mind you, in todays market place, we might need to pay more money else we might not fill the new stadium.
woodhall
10/08/2017 11:44:00
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And for that matter who the hell was Danny Rose before he was transferred to Spurs! Didn't we have to "google" him to figure that out? Fool he's playing with some of the best talent in Europe right in his own team. If it's just the money he wants just say so and be gone but to deny the ambitions of the club is silly. Maybe if he had played the entire season we would have won a trophy or been champions. To me this is purely a money play. The rest is just said to make sure he leaves them no other choice but to get rid of him. If I didn't mind losing out on his transfer value I would set him outside the club for the duration of his contract and then let him leave on a free at 30.
jvd
10/08/2017 11:46:00
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Oh and his £3+million a year wage!
jvd
10/08/2017 11:47:00
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Rot end his career levy come on your the man who can as the insults against Spurs are against u as u are Spurs. One good season guy thinks he is pele . Coys
bazdog
10/08/2017 11:55:00
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jod, imo, it's not purely down to finances. Rose goes on to make a comment about having to google the players we sign. Most of such signing require bedding and at a time we should look to kick on, he's expressing his reservations as per the fans. There is money in the kitty from several recent sales and Poch having said that now that the big boys have finished their shopping, we will move forward with what's left, i.e., with players likely needing googling! Our PROJECT will suit upcoming youngsters, but if we don't back our players with decent squad additions, Rose type of views won't go away. Yes, every club has the same issue, but less so for those aspiring to become regular top 4 or PL contenders.

Poch also said, "How have Manchester City, Liverpool, Chelsea and different clubs tried to improve their season?" Pochettino said. "Bringing players and trying to put more pressure on their star players, their key players - and for us we need to do that too.

Well, according to Rose, he doesn't think it is happening or likely to happen.
Critical_Spur
10/08/2017 11:57:00
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Wonder if he would give his pay back since Spurs signed him and carried him for 80% of his time at Spurs. This as sickened me to the core as a life long fan coys
bazdog
10/08/2017 11:58:00
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Whether Rose stays or goes, I will never forget that amazing volley he scored against the gooners!
Critical_Spur
10/08/2017 12:00:00
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jvd, 'needing to google Rose when he signed for us'. True, but did he not spend several seasons on loan? Which of our recent 'google mark' signing have cut it with Spurs so far?
Critical_Spur
10/08/2017 12:03:00
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I think we should hire Mr Google as our chief scout!... oh, we already have!
Critical_Spur
10/08/2017 12:04:00
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No smoke without fire, we can't afford to lose him imo.... however, ismthismthe flood gates opening. As good as Poch is he has recruited an excellent team, there is. I way he can do it if 5/6 key players leave. Maybe there is unrest behind the scenes at Spurs. However, no player will ever be bigger than the club.
E17YID
10/08/2017 12:06:00
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I think it is easy to overreact to this. It is simple to take snippets of an interview out of context and create a very different overall impression to that which was intended. In terms of what was actually said, I don't really have a problem with Rose stating he should earn more - we all know other teams would pay him considerably more than we do, and many lesser LB's are earning much more elsewhere. This is an inevitable problem Spurs face, we do not have the financial resources and revenue streams of the bigger clubs and this won't change anytime soon. Clearly all our players could be earning more elsewhere so we need other reasons to keep them on board. And that is why it is also completely fair enough for a player like Rose to state that he wants to win something. There is no question that we currently have the finest group of players we have had at Spurs at least in my lifetime. It is also clear that if we are to take every competition seriously we do not have the depth of squad to win silverware without a fair slice of luck. These players know that they are on the cusp, and they know that a few more additions could make just the difference. Rose has a very understandable predicament - he, like most of the players, clearly esteems Poch and is very happy to play for him, but he is earning less than he certainly could if not should, which is fine for him if he can win some medals for the compromise. To be so close and see no action at all in the transfer window is obviously going to frustrate. These players know they have limited time and they know that this is as close as they can get without winning, so from their perspective it really is now or never at Spurs. He has also stated a perfectly understandable wish to return home up north. For the sake of argument, let us presume that a great deal of the interview has also been cut, which it likely would have been as the Sun is interested in stirring the hornets nest not fairly representing the players sentiments. Nothing in what I have read would negate the possibility that Rose also stated a huge admiration for Poch, a love of the current squad and team spirit, an appreciation for the fans and the opportunity the club has given him, etc, etc. Clearly the way this story has broken will create internal issues, and hopefully they can be dealt with sensibly. I get Rose's position and I have no problem with it. I also get Levy's to the extent that we cannot compete financially with the bigger clubs, and yet to get the players we need to improve the squad, we need to compete or at least wait until later in the window to see who is still available. Just as we have first choice and second choice targets, so each player will have first choice and second choice clubs, and we have to be realistic and accept that we are not going to be first choice for the players we as fans want to see. The only thing that concerns me is rumours of Poch being unhappy because of broken promises. Levy needs to balance the books, but he absolutely must keep Poch. He has always been searching for this manager, and now we must to everything possible to keep him happy. Poch is not like Harry, he clearly understands the financial constraints we face and the need to rely on younger players as well, it seems that he relishes this challenge. I don't see Poch leaving because we do not spend like City, but I do see him leaving if he constantly faces broken promises and deals fall through because Levy is trying to be to too greedy late in the deal. Obviously we will buy in this window, but there are signs that Poch is getting frustrated and that concerns me infinitely more than Danny Rose naively sounding off on things that, if we are honest, are pretty understandable
Guernman
10/08/2017 12:22:00
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Dele, if rose, said we need players whomhou don't google ie stars. Then I can't see how that's out of context. ... he's only speaking the truth ... I know I support levy, but we have more income from Wembley as well as the nwhl, jod, would know as an accountant there is a business plan ... all capital should be planned 4/5/6 years Ahead, assests. Working. Capital etc.... basic income versus expenditure ... our income has increased. Maybe, it is time to loosen the purse strings and worry a little less about share holders. Maybe levy should sell up beycase we have an excellent team hate to see them broken apart due to being too tight. I back levy fully ... but we can't go back 5 years on the progress we made ... and if we lost Poch we'll mid table again for us.
E17YID
10/08/2017 12:46:00
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Jod, any football club owner with ambition runs by maintaining a serviceable level of debt. None of the PL with the glaring exception of your hero, idol, role model and mentor Daniel Levy try to run debt free. Instead of moaning about what is sustainable or not, he should either relent and come to the party, or he and Joe should sell the bloody club to somebody who wants to own a football club, rather than a building society. Using your arguments nobody would ever buy a house on a mortgage, only by paying cash, life is debt dependant simple as that. The top clubs carry sizeable debts, but as long as they can be serviced so what, that is how football is in the real world, but unfortunately not in Danny's world, where we don't even reinvest all our profits from TWs back into the squad. I wonder what the likes of you and the other Levy apologists will be saying when the majority of our quality players have sought pastures new, where they can earn what they are worth, and we are left with only them you have to google. Levy won't give a toss providing he can still sell tickets and make money. Success is expensive and he doesn't want to know. Football for it's own sake, money for Christ's sake already, that's his motto.
Frank
10/08/2017 13:04:00
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Damn you dele, every time I try to see it differently, I succeeded in agreeing with you lol. I fully agree, it was probably tongue in cheek, would,be interested to see a film of said interview. End of the day, maybe we do need to spend, I am slowly starting to see what frank says.. loosen the strings not to the extent of financial insecurity, enough to kick us on.... I dread to think of this group breaking up. I know players are not bigger that the. Club, but, I don't want to go back to the days of caskey, dozzell and sinton. We need to keep players such as Rose, I looked on the Spurs site, all the media, and amazing how many different spins are being put on him.
E17YID
10/08/2017 13:08:00
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This was going to happen and it will get worse not just with Tottenham but other clubs. Players always wanted to win, but money being paid in wages now by some clubs is a extra bonus. Rose is in it for the money because if you reflect on our last two seasons it shows we are getting closer to winning silverware, and players like Lloris and kane have said as much, so imo Rose must either not believe the same or he simply wants more koney.

The biggest mistake we made was selling Walker to a rival club who double his wages it has opened the door for other players now, that is a FACT. Beofre that sale we had gone a while without selling to a rival, the last was Berby to Uts, even Bale and Modric went abroad and Modric didn't get a Chelsea move. The decision to sell to City was a huge mistake and it now haunting us. Selling abroad is different even if it provides more money for a player, because not all English players want to play abroad, but to seel to a rival who also pays loads more was stupid whatever the reason.

I also think Tottenham have become a target of abuse, all media and pundits now are always using our pay structure and transfer policies to get at the players, unsettle them, yet non of them care about the financial implications living beyond our means could do to us long term, why would they, its not their club or money.

The only way we can compete financially is to get into the stadium but also have a sugar daddy, who wants to play God, buy titles and silverware and as it stand the former, the stadium is happening but the latter, sugar daddy isn't.

I content of what Rose has said is some ways is just what most fans and media are saying, our players are worth more and we need to bring in better players, but some of what he said is a little disrespectful, the google comments. Can you imagine what the fringe players like Janssen, GK, Wimmer, are feeling, because lets face it they are the players non one had really heard of, and we fans did google them.

It sounds to me Rose is pushing for a move, he has done it the only way he knows how, via the media who must be rubblinb their hands together at this story.

I wonder whether his injury has got to him, too much time on his hands to think, too isolated from the squad and therefore not felt part of it, and he has got frustrated and delusional.

However, its done, so what now. Well lets bring in a decent LB and let him compete with him would be a good thing, but of course we have Davies and it wouldn't work, but I would have done that. You wanted a top signing so we have brought a top LB in, how good are you now? My fear is how long can we keep our top players happy and our manager? My immediate concern is Toby, I get a feel he is stalling because of his age, he will probably feel the same as Rose, not much time left to win things and one last contract in him, earn double elsewhere. An announcement that Toby has extended would be welcomed right now.

Disappointed at Rose because he said like others that Poch made him better not just on the pitch but off it, well if that is the case I hate to think what sort of person he was before, because there is a decent way to let those know how you feel, in house and another blurting it out to the media, the useless tabloids at that.

Loyalty is very very rare, gentlemanship is also rare and I think Rose has shown he is non of them. Its sad, but I don't etirely blame Rose because its a reflection of society. Football has gone mad, society is mad, everyone want more, and more and more and there is little respect, loyalty, or contentment. I get he wants to win things, but did he really have to air his views in such a way, and why did he sign a new contract, like Walker. Wanted best of both worlds, immediate injection of cash from new contract, but not prepared to see it through. What is the point of contracts.

If Toby doesn't sign and leaves in a year or so then I have more respect for him than Walker and rose. If he feels the new contract isn't good enough then he forfeits immediate injection of extra cash by not signing a new contract and leaves, but to sign one and a few months later wnat out is disrespectful imo.
It'sME
10/08/2017 13:14:00
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The simple truth is this. If you are reaching the peak of your career at 27 or 28 and you want to make some money before you go over your peak Spurs is not the club for you. If your 18 - 21 Spurs is the best club to develop your skills and raise your stock. We are now becoming what Levy denies we are, a selling club, Southampton are the same except we have become more attractive to the richer clubs because we have over the last two seasons developed a better track record So Poch may have his football "philosophy" Levy however has his financial policy. The end game is this; we will continue with a Wages Cap until such time as Joe Lewis has his shiny new stadium got his Naming rights and therefore the £1bn value that Joe wants when he sells the club. We fans will have to wait for new owners before we get some slick yank who owns an NFL Team comes in before we see the cash being splashed until then Poch will have to develop more young players whilst he watches a string of senior players leave for richer clubs and Levy wont care because he has followed his masters instructions and continued to balance the books and increased the value of the Property Estate. Come next summer the club will be full of senior players looking for the exit door. I hope Poch has made plans to replace Delle Toby Rose Eriksen Verts and Harry cos we ain't hanging on to them if we continue down this "fiscal" Philosophy, unless of course, Mr Levy is happy for Spurs to go back into mid table mediocrity? It takes the heat off him and the fans new found expectations but what comes after 3rd then 2nd Mr Levy ? It doesn't take a Carol Vordermann to work out its 1st ....... I question whether Levy wants 1st. Poch does but you have to give him the tools otherwise he cant finish the job he started!
OyVeh Maria
10/08/2017 13:20:00
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Yup, I like rose, I really hope he stays. He just states his opinion. Right or wrong it's being debated.... let's get them key signings to take us to the next level. Over to you Mr Levy, I just feel, that levy, beinglevy, will pull a rabbit out of the hat... I still have a gut feeling Bale is coming back.
E17YID
10/08/2017 13:23:00
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Frank - I disagree with the statement 'players earning what they are worth' - NO player is worth the money they earn FULL STOP and that is the problem. When football was football there was non of these issues, there was loyalty, commitment, comradship, togetherness. Players are not worth what they get, but they know they can get it. It also makes me laught when people speak about short careers. So what, I am sure there are other careers that are short, doesn't mean they should need to earn as much as they can in their short career. get another job. That is the problem, they want to retire after a short career and do nothing - lazy gits.

Instead of being grateful that they have had a career in a job they love they put the message out its the only job they are prepared to do, well that isn't right. Some people lose their job, their career cut short for may reasons, could be health, could be disablement, losing a leg in the army comes to mind, but they don't do nothing, another job, they take a different direction. There is no reason why players can't go on to do other jobs after they retire, so do they need to earn the money while they can, NO NO NO. Its a farce, its delusional. What many are saying is 'I don't want to work' or 'I don't want to do a so called run of the mill job' - I am better than that, I am specil, bloody egoistic and damn right wrong imo.

If these player earned the same amount as a nurse would they still play, yes because being a footballer is a dream, and maybe then they would be more humble when their careers came to an end and was happy to contribute to society and get another job.
It'sME
10/08/2017 13:25:00
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E17Yid -I wonder what Rose would think if Bale did come back. He will have egg on his face.
It'sME
10/08/2017 13:27:00
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Interesting that Levy has the stadium loan secured against future gate receipts/naming rights and TV money but he is unwilling to do the same with even a modest spend on transfers/salaries. 100% lack of ambition. Just like in 2012 when we had a fantastic team, the owner was unwilling/not interested in improving the team (Nelson/Saha). Pathetic.
DoncasterHotspur
10/08/2017 13:53:00
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Lol, it's me. He would be on his iPad googling who is bale. It's really time for levy t step up and back Poch. I'm happy with the team but if the players are not happy it doesn't bode well. We will see ... 22 days left.
E17YID
10/08/2017 13:56:00
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I think jod misses the point entirely. Regardless of any financial considerations (and despite what jod says, there are plenty of other models out there that allow a greater spend on wages without necessarily bankrupting the club), this is just a player expressing his perception of the situation. It's all fine and well to sit on a shiny white horse, say that the club has principles and have a semblance of moral high ground, but if the players themselves don't buy into the philosophy, we'll see many more leave and we'll be a very well run club fighting for 10th. That seems to be the ultimate goal for jod. Let's be profitable but not care what happens on the pitch.
BelgianSpur
10/08/2017 14:20:00
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Guyver - Rose had no issue over the wages offered in 2016 because he's an academy graduate and he was probably willing to take less to stay at the club that gave him his break. Two seasons on, he's a starter for England, he's in the 2017 PL team of the season (despite missing time due to injury; that's how good he was when he was on the pitch) and he's got a different status altogether - he has earned his raise, much like Harry Kane did. He's got the individual accolades to justify it.
BelgianSpur
10/08/2017 14:26:00
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Dele-Arri - exactly, the problem is people project an idea and everyone starts to believe in it. The whole notion that the players need to earn as much as they can as its a short career is total nonsense. Someone put that idea out and everyone brought into it, its called belief not truth and the more people buy into it the more it is believed.

If they invest wisely like you say and spend moderately they will be fine for the rest of their lives but many go on to be pundits, look how much Shearer and Linekar make for talking football. Plus as I said 'why should footballers be any different to anyone else once their career comes to an end' - get a bloody job I say. They don't live in a real world like may of us do, they live in a bubble. I mean I wouldn't even know what to do with a million pound, or even 50K a week, its about time they had a reality check, but in all honesty, as I keep saying 'its a reflection of discontent many people live by' wanting more and more and more.

Personally I would be happy to play football for free, but because its professional I would understand I wouldn't be able to work as well so I would be happy to play for a moderate wage, full stop.
It'sME
10/08/2017 14:31:00
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If Rose's quote were so taken out of context and he felt that his words had been misrepresented, he would have issued a public statement to clarify or contradict the reports. Lamela, Eriksen and many other players have done so in the past, when they feel that their words have been twisted. I am hearing/reading no such thing from Rose (and given the bombshell, you would imagine that the reaction would have been very quick). This can only lead me to believe that Rose's words were perfectly communicated.
BelgianSpur
10/08/2017 14:35:00
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It'sME - you may loathe how much footballers make, or decide that they don't deserve to earn that much, but the reality is that they are, whether you like it or not. The modern football industry is as it is being portrayed. It's not good pointing to wise investments (most footballers blow their money and are broke by the time they're 50 - and it's not just football: look at the NFL, NBA, boxing and many other sports), or punditry jobs (there are 1000 retired footballers for every punditry job available). The reality is that most players will feel that the have a small window of opportunity and that they need to make the most out of it. Here in Belgium, many players leave the Belgian league for PL, La Liga or Serie A riches. Guess why? "Because a career is short and we need to make the most of it". It's a recurring theme.
BelgianSpur
10/08/2017 14:41:00
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Oyveh, spot on as usual, why is it so few can see what is staring them in the face. Danny and Joe are not interested in on the pitch success, they don't need it.
Frank
10/08/2017 14:49:00
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Rot in the reserves until he's contract runs out and he can move back up north for a free when he's 30 +., Also the seasons he's been poor he was only worth 5 000 a week so give that back. As u we're over paid.
123spurs
10/08/2017 15:00:00
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Belgian, I generally agree with Danny Rose, I just don't think he justifies a pay rise just yet. If he is able to repeat last seasons form, this season, then yes certainly.
Guyver
10/08/2017 15:28:00
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Guyver - we all have opinions of course, and you are very entitled to yours that he hasn't earned his raise yet. But ultimately, whether you or I think he's worth it is all subjective, and it's not what an agent is going to point to. Danny Rose is on a reported £30.000 per week. His agent will point to the fact that probably half of starting LB's in the league earn more than him, and he's being named ahead of them in the PL team of the season and in the England squad (for those who qualify to represent England). You may not feel he justifies it, but there is plenty of evidence out there to suggest that inferior players are earning more. Accepting this, I can totally see the case that Rose (or his agent) is building. Objectively, however we feel about Rose's merits, there is enough evidence out there for Rose to have a strong bargaining position. On a personal level, Rose has been performing as an above-average LB for the better part of 2 seasons now. For him to want above average pay is probably justified, as far as I can see.
BelgianSpur
10/08/2017 15:52:00
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DA - as you correctly point out, if I or you feel that we have been misunderstood, we usually go out of our way to point it out, and clarify our position. The possibility of being misunderstood exists, but if that's the case, it's very easy for Rose to fix that. And the more sensitive the subject, the higher the urge to clarify statements. Rose hasn't done it, which would tend to prove that he's generally happy with how his words are being portrayed, wouldn't you say? Especially given the subject at hand. That's my impression anyways.
BelgianSpur
10/08/2017 15:57:00
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We are what the sixth wealthiest pl club in the league. So I can understand that there are constraints. The main reason we are where we are is our manager. He has taken a group of very good players and made the team ALMOST great. And he good do it again with time. But we would always be the nearly team. At some point you have to gamble. At some point you have to take a leap of faith to get to that next level. That time is now. There is never going to be a better time. We were lucky to stumble across Poch. We will end up losing him, go backwards as a club and end up with a shiny new stadium half empty. We have a lot of assets in regards to players worth a lot of money. So it would be a calculated risk. Levy is to tight for his own good and I fear he has taken us as far as he is capable of and I think it's taken him longer that it should have taken with our great club.
asherthesmasher
10/08/2017 16:00:00
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Belgian, I think the £65k per week estimated in the Sun newspapers own interview is a lot closer to the truth than £30k. This is a contract he signed just last year, Sept 2016, it's likely to be between £50k - £65k.. Rose also said in the same interview, "“If I get to levels I reached last season — and this goes out to everybody — I will make sure I get what I am worth."" So I assume if he is unable to repeat last seasons form, he'll accept his current contract. Side note, I wish Sissoko would demand a pay reduction, to match his performances last season, but unfortunately, it doesn't work like that.
Guyver
10/08/2017 16:06:00
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