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The World Is Too Much With Us

It is irksome when people argue without them or anyone else knowing what they're arguing about. Is Harry Kane world class?

Without defining what is meant by 'world class' the winner of that argument is normally the one who shouts the loudest/is the most sarcastic/is the smartest arse/cites incorrect 'facts'. Then, when all the sound and fury is over, we still don't know whether Harry is world class or not, simply that two people disagree about it, loudly.

Some of those who say our hero is not world class argue that he hasn't won major trophies with Spurs. By that argument Gareth Bale was not world class at Spurs but he is indeed world class at Real Madrid. Now, however 'world class' is defined, one would have to think that it is a measure of a player's intrinsic ability and worth that it cannot change one way or another with the team-mates a player has around him and whether they together are capable of winning a trophy.

So either Bale is 'world class' or he is not, irrespective of who he plays with. If he now moves, say, to Crystal Palace, would that mean he is no longer world class? Another argument I witnessed had a Spurs supporter claiming that Harry is world class because he has now scored as many goals as Cristiano Ronaldo did in the Premier League, in 73 fewer games. But a fellow called Don Hutchinson shouted loudly - mocking the silly Spurs fan - that the two could not be compared because Ronaldo is a winger!

Well, to my mind Ronaldo might start out wide but he is most certainly not a winger. Anyone who notes the positions, mostly central, that he takes up when Real Madrid attack would have to concede this. Also the fact that he is always his team's leading scorer should conclusively prove that he is a pure striker and relied on more than anyone else for goals. There's lots of other nonsense being said about whether Harry is 'world class' or not, but nobody defines the term, or what boxes to tick when deciding. I am certainly not arguing one way or another, because I couldn't care less about a meaningless epithet attached to a player I prefer to think of simply as 'one of our own'!

A clue to what 'world class' might mean: I once had the privilege of chatting to former Charlton Athletic striker Eddie Firmani, still I believe the only player to score 100 goals in both England and Italy. Firmani also had in his CV that he coached Pele at New York Cosmos. Comparing Pele to Diego Maradona, Firmani said: 'Maradona was very good, but Pele made everyone else in his team look brilliant too.' That's what I'd call world class.



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Writer:Shannon
Date:Wednesday October 4 2017
Time: 4:29PM

Comments

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Harry has the perfect game. MP said recently that Kane is young and will improve?! I have no idea how he can improve any part of his game or even add to it .... unless he learns to fly. That's the astounding thing, it seems impossible to criticise any aspect of his performance. He makes everything seem so basic and so simple .... and we all know it's not. I've pretty much given up trying to describe him at the moment as he amazes me every time he plays. I can't see anything changing that in the immediate future apart from injuries.
Geofspurs
05/10/2017 04:36:00
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Good article by the way, Shannon. I agree with your points on 'world class' players.
Geofspurs
05/10/2017 04:38:00
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I had this argument with several friends lately and won them all over. There are 3 facts that people cannot argue with. 1. He is one of only 4 players to score 20+ goals in three consecutive seasons (Henry, Shearer and Van Nistelrooy) are the only other players to achieve that feat (the very definition of world class and world class company). 2. He is one of only five players who has won back to back golden boots (Shearer, Owen, Van Persie and Henry). 3. He is the second highest goal scorer in 2017, Behind Messi and ahead of Ronaldo, Lewandowski, Aubameyang, Neymar and Cavani etc. No one has an argument to those stats and the only people that do are nobheads. If anyone uses the argument that he hasn't won anything then you use that to prove he is even better by claiming he has achieved all this in a team that isn't far superior like Messi, Ronaldo and Lewandowski...
spurticus87
05/10/2017 05:32:00
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And we just know he'll score for England tonight. The odds would be lousy for a bet on that.
Geofspurs
05/10/2017 07:43:00
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Harry is classy. He is class. He will only get better. Top class.
Hot Tottingham
05/10/2017 09:23:00
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Amazing player to have in a 'Harry Kane Team'....envy of all the big bucks teams. There is ALWAYS areas EVERYONE can improve on and if I have to nit pick one, it's his selfishness. I know it didn't do Ronaldo any harm being a 'me me' player, but one has to admit there have been several (recent) examples where a simple pass to a team mate would've got us another goal. May be he's just trying very hard to make up for a barren August. I bet Lukaku is wetting himself in the race for the GB.
Critical_Spur
05/10/2017 09:49:00
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CS .... I wondered if anyone would bring up the 'selfish' comment. Personally, I hope that never changes (at least while he's on form) because it's something all confident strikers need. Having said that, I believe that Kane's football nous will ensure he provides assists when appropriate. Obviously he will make mistakes, and have barren spells, but far less than most strikers.
Geofspurs
05/10/2017 10:26:00
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There are still ways Harry can improve, but all are on the mental side of things. The August drought, for one. His performance with England under pressure (ie at a big tournament) is another. As a Spurs fan, that second matters less to me, but there is past evidence that he has struggled in high pressure situations. But he's so good already.
BelgianSpur
05/10/2017 10:28:00
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Geof I agree with your counter point. I'd add two points. 1) our stats for shots on goal are impressive, but the end result perhaps could be better. 2) we've drawn v the like of Swans and Burnley where shots on goal seemed like desperation stuff and Harry and to equal extent Sonny are both guilty of that. Yes, selfish streak is a vital attribute for any striker (ala Defoe) but with experience I guess they will make better decisions. Suffice to add that I am very impressed with the maturity that Kane is showing and we've often said that our young team lacked leaders and is sets a great example.... hope the same follows for the Three Lions....I mean, 'The Harry Kane Team Mk II)'.
Critical_Spur
05/10/2017 10:46:00
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What you have to understand is for some people its not about how good a players is, its about how pretty his football is. Kane does not play pretty football, neither did Shearer, neither for that matter does Lewandowski. For these players its about efficiency, about putting the ball in the back of the net as often as they can any way that they can. For me Lineker's tap ins were always worth more than Ginola beating the same player two or three times, but some people just don't see it that way. For them style will always be more important than substance. Incidentally Ronaldo and Messi's goal tally would be a lot more impressive if they had scored them in the premier league.
jod
05/10/2017 10:48:00
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jod, good points. The thing that impresses me most about our Harry is his two-footedness. That 2nd goal v Huddersfield (left footed) had some power and control as it hit the back of the net. His awareness and making space to get a shot off is on par with Messi and Ronaldo. I just feel if we can get Eriksen and Dele move up a notch and be consistent, we'd have the scariest attack in the PL.
Critical_Spur
05/10/2017 10:58:00
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CS .... All the top teams have scoring problems against 'bus parkers' at some stage .... as did Chelsea and Pool recently. United and City will hopefully have the same problem as the season progresses. despite their attacking strengths. Some days the ball just won't go in! Under MP we have taken more points from promoted clubs than any other team so that suggests the 'old' days are gone and we have upped our game. Defoe was a useful striker (despite a complete lack of understanding in regard to the offside rule) but I think his 'selfishness' was more harmful to the team than Harry who has a more mature football brain.
Geofspurs
05/10/2017 11:13:00
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My warm-up game before the England match starts is the Syria/Australia WCQ (first leg). I'm sure you are all excited about that one! :-)
Geofspurs
05/10/2017 11:20:00
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Harry's selfishness in front of goal is the top strikers' prerogative. It's just doing the job they are all paid to do. However, I have often found myself shouting at him to "pass." Still, I soon forget all that once he puts one or two of them away. Maybe if he was less selfish in and around the box, he wouldn't score as many goals as he does.

When we look at Harry's all round play, he is far from selfish. He is not a goalhanger (which is not really possible to be in the modern game, anyway). He spends very little time actually in the box. He always comes deep, makes many runs out wide and is always actively involved in the perpetual movement and space-creating for others, as well as himself. He continually brings others into the game with fine lay-offs and through balls etc. He then will more often or not be the one to finish it all off with the crucial strike on goal. Again. this his main job, as our main striker. He also works as hard as the rest of them do in closing down the opposition in their own half when we are playing the "high press". (Pochettinos philosophy?) - He is also often the one that clears the ball with a strong header, upfield hoof or a neat lay-off that forms a counter-attack from our own box when defending corners and free kicks. He is strong in the tackle as well. And so, in many respects he is one of the least selfish strikers (footballers), I can ever remember watching.

Harry Kane is a man-machine of the highest order. (Except in August, of course). And, he's one of our own!

Hot Tottingham
05/10/2017 11:31:00
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One biting criticism I do have of Harry; He's a crap goalkeeper!
Hot Tottingham
05/10/2017 11:49:00
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HT .... Exactly!
Geofspurs
05/10/2017 11:54:00
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Dele, on the other hand, has a lot of progress to make .... hope his mentality allows him to do it because the natural talent is there.
Geofspurs
05/10/2017 11:59:00
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Geof, you making this in to a Dele-Arri article. You miss your mate, I can tell. :0)
Critical_Spur
05/10/2017 12:38:00
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For me "World Class" is about being in the top 2-3 players in the world in your position. So what makes you the best? I think it's the wow factor at a consistent level with very few mistakes: the save no other keeper would make, the last minute saving tackle no other defender would reach, the quality dribble and pass that no other midfielder would see/execute, the goals/assists other strikers can only dream of. I reckon Kane, Eriksen & Alderweireld are all there or thereabouts!
Parklaneyido
05/10/2017 12:49:00
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I remember when Harry got that "Kung Fu" kick to the head when out on the byline, going for a 50-50 ball. (Was that for Spurs or England)? He just got up, shook it off and got on with it. He's a tough son-of-a Spur!

Dele needs to just get up and get on with it as well. He does do most of the time but when he doesn't he will nearly always be punished for it and in turn, punish the team as a whole. He will not just get himself a ticking off, yellow card, sendings off and/or more suspensions. He will unfortunately serve to make things even worse for himself. It'll just increase the likelihood of being more of a moving target for opposition players' niggles and jibes, Spurs and England supporters frustrations and impatience, as well as increased negative, media headlines alike.

Having said all that, I'm confident that he will learn his lessons well. Hopefully in good time to get back on track asap and, find the form he had for most of last season.

Hot Tottingham
05/10/2017 13:00:00
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Parklaneyido - Problem with your definition is there is no actual measure of quality. So if there are a lot of wonderful players in a particular position then still only the two or three very best are world class even if we are talking very fine margins. Conversely if there is a real lack of quality in a particular position the two or three best are still world class even if they are not really that good.
jod
05/10/2017 13:56:00
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Parklaneyido. That's exactly how I see it. If we go back in time it is Pele, Maradonna, Cruyff, Zidane, Greaves, Hoddle, Banks, Bobby Moore etc., as well as the Messi's and Ronaldo's of this world. Dare I say Kane? To do is to dare and I just did. They all could do and did do the "special" and, consistently too.

I do also agree with jod but I will say that Kane is different in that yes, he is highly efficient but is no Ginola or Best or Gazza. However, he is still capable of the "special" too. The show stopper, if you like. He's just not a show off. The fact that he makes the 'complete" game look so easy, sets him apart from many other very good strikers from the past, If not some of the best. One thing that sets him apart from both Lineker and Shearer is the fact that he works so hard on the other aspects of playing the game of football and is good at most of it, as I have already pointed out in my previous post. It's his all-round game. It's something they have both admitted to more than once, that they didn't have. He has both style AND substance. Class act!

Hot Tottingham
05/10/2017 14:14:00
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HT, you forgot Gascoigne. Just saying.
shannon
05/10/2017 15:01:00
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Sorry, you didn't. My mistake. LOL.
shannon
05/10/2017 15:02:00
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But you did forget Mackay!!!
Geofspurs
05/10/2017 15:31:00
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CS .... LOL. Yes, I do. DA doesn't only go missing in games, he goes missing on VS too!
Geofspurs
05/10/2017 15:33:00
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I know you're all eagerly awaiting the Syria/Australia result .... 1-1. Whoever gets through this tie won't worry anyone in Russia.
Geofspurs
05/10/2017 15:37:00
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I will only ever forget Mackay because I'm not old enough to remember him in his prime for Spurs. I only saw him at the very end of his career, playing for Derby County.

To all the glorious past Tottenham Hotspur players, I give you my thanks and praises. You all are the reason why Spurs is my passion and football my pleasure. Along with Pele, Maradona, Best, Messi etc.Hot Tottingham

05/10/2017 15:54:00
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Shades of MO, CJ, DA, in your comments!
Geofspurs
05/10/2017 16:20:00
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I don't really like to even believe there is such a thing as 'World Class' it's a game of football, like everything in life, it's not that important, but if we are wanting to say a person is 'World Class' I suppose we have to say they are the best in their field in the world, NOT necessarily by what they have won especially in a team game where you have to rely on others, but in other aspects depending on the job they do. So for Kane as a footballer hence striker he has to show consistency in goal scoring and performances and the stats have to be there compared to other footballers, strikers.

For me Kane has shown some incredible things of late. The golden boot award two seasons running and in with a shout this season, but his consistency in his performances has become the key, other than August, and his improvement in his all round game has been massive, so I would say he is becoming one of the best strikers in the World.

Tonight against for England he scores a late winner in a awful game, he showed his class, by not giving up and having a delicate touch to get the ball in the net. Kane is improving all the time, both at club level and international level. I don't think its fair he isn't becoming World class if he doesn't do it at international level, what has Messi won at international level, the fact is when its a team game winning is about a team no matter how good you are, different if its a sport like Tennis, Snooker, you play for yourself and you win by yourself.

If Ronaldo went to a weaker team now he may not win the title, but he is still one of the best in the World, some players stay at lesser clubs and win nothing but are still very good players, even if not World class. If Kane stayed at Spurs and didn't win anything major he still could become World class, but if he did get to that so caled status and Spurs were not winning things he may well go to RM or Barca to win things.

Recent interview I am not worried about, I think he realises that keep saying he is staying at Spurs is going to set him up for a fall, what if Spurs go backwards or Levy decides to cash in he will be seen as a traitor, you said you wanted to stay at Spurs. By saying I never say No or Yes in football I feel is the best way to go about your business. He is happy at Spurs doesn't want to leave, but its not ALL up to him, if Spurs got a huge offer and we were not in a good place we would sell, or as I said if Spurs went backwards became mid table and he got a offer he may go elsewhere, but as it stands he loves Spurs wants to stay and expects to stay, but things change and he is being realistic, but his aim is to break records with us and become World calss and win things with us.
It'sME
05/10/2017 22:06:00
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IM .... Whatever 'world class' means, Kane won't become it .... he is already it.
Geofspurs
06/10/2017 04:18:00
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Well done Captain Harry Kane. Nice goal. Again!

In what was a pretty poor England team performance last night, I have to say that I thought Eric Dier also stood out and played a very good match.

Now that England have qualified for the WC, I'd like to see our other Harry, "he's one of our own" Winks get a run out in the final game. The teams midfield could do with a bit of his spark, energy, ball control, passing ability and cool head.

Hot Tottingham
06/10/2017 08:05:00
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".....Like everything in life, it's not that important" ? Speak for yourself It'sMe. (Which of course, you do and you will). Maybe you meant that football is not as important as other more serious stuff in life (?). It's certainly important to me and I'm certain it is to Harry as well. Important to Harry because it's his livelihood and passion. Important for me, because it brings me entertainment and pleasure, is also one of my life-long passions and is a great and enjoyable form of exercise for my creaky and squeaky old bones. But maybe that's just me.
Hot Tottingham
06/10/2017 08:31:00
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Well done Harry. He was one of the very few players who just never gave up last night. Walker as a wing back only put in ONE cross but the rest of the time, it was the usual cutting in and backwards.

Very, very pleased for Harry on his captaincy and the goal that mattered. However, Southgate has got his work cut out to make this team a force.... some very average players in that squad.
Critical_Spur
06/10/2017 09:57:00
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CS .... Yes, they have a lot of work to do before Russia. They were totally devoid of teamwork, just a group of individuals. I guess it's hard for national teams in any sport because they don't enjoy enough time together. Any of the top three PL clubs would have destroyed Slovenia. Maybe Winks will get some time in the next one. Anyway, I'm looking forward to Harry's hat-tricks in his next two games!
Geofspurs
06/10/2017 10:09:00
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I watched the England game last night. I think it's probably unfair to judge the team when it's missing some important players (Rose, Lallana, Alli will easily walk back into the team when fit), but England look very short of quality. From top to bottom, how many players are sure of their place? Kane, Alli, Lallana, and that's it. The rest is up in the air. I compare that to Belgium, where 9 out of the 11 are certainties (Courtois, Toby, Jan, Meunier, De Bruyne, Carrasco, Mertens, Hazard, Lukaku) and you have the likes of Dembélé, Fellaini, Witsel fighting for one midfield spot and the last spot down to Kompany's fitness (with Vermaelen ready to step in if needed) - it's a world of difference. Going back to 5 years ago, the fortunes were reversed.Some upside in the England squad but Russia will be an unpleasant tournament.
BelgianSpur
06/10/2017 10:11:00
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Then again, England played like Spurs at Wembley....so may be there's hoodoo about not being able to play your best there after all! :0) England could only muster the same crowd as Spurs in their games there too! Knock down freekin Wembley I say!!!
Critical_Spur
06/10/2017 10:12:00
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Looking at England I do wonder if pairing Dier and Henderson in the heart of midfield is the way to go. I'd like to see Winks started against Lithuania in what is essentially a free game to see whether his superior passing and ball retention makes the team play quicker. Not sure it matters whether you play Dier or Henderson along side him.
jod
06/10/2017 10:29:00
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jod ... At least Winks likes to move the ball forward! Be good to see how he goes if he's on the park for the next one.
Geofspurs
06/10/2017 10:35:00
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Good point jod re Dier and Henderson. IMO, both appear defensive minded. I note all the time Henderson making 'pass it backwards' gestures to his team mates. Ox was a waste of space and should not be any where near the England squad. The AM is where the quality was really lacking. First pass from that area was invariably backwards. I agree with Belgian, Alli and Lallana are about the only worthy alternatives.
Critical_Spur
06/10/2017 10:38:00
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Agree about Winks Geof and he may get a look in during the next few games, else England will be another 'Harry Kane Team'.
Critical_Spur
06/10/2017 10:40:00
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Geofspurs - If you look at the way we play we have one defensive midfielder in there (Wanyama or Dier) and one more attacking player, Dembele up until his injury problems. When we've tried playing Wanyama and Dier together it hasn't worked. It seems to me Southgate is making the same mistake playing Dier and Henderson together. Even against better opposition you need to move the ball forward, in the qualifiers there is no excuse for being too defensive.
jod
06/10/2017 10:42:00
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Dier is a specialist DM. He is never going to unlock defenses, but he protects the back 4. If you pair him with a creative player, he proves his worth. Henderson on the other hand is a jack of all trades without excelling in any one thing, I feel. His passing may be marginally better, but he's no Pirlo. His attacking contribution is limited. His defensive work rate is OK, but he's inferior to Dier in that department. The way I look at it, pairing both leaves England short of creativity. However, if you play Henderson next to a creative player, England are still going to lack physicality and a defensive edge in midfield. The only way you can live with Henderson is if you have a very complete midfielder next to him, or you play a 3-man midfield. I just think Henderson is a poor fit for the 4231 system England currently uses. In a 433 like at Liverpool, he would be a better fit. In the current setup, Dier justifies his inclusion IF you pair him with a creative player. And for me, the 3 options are either Drinkwater, who has good passing ability (but is short of minutes at Chelsea), Barkley if he can make that place his own (and his club career may impact that - a cheeky transfer to Spurs where he could develop an understanding with both Dier and Alli would probably increase his England prospects), or Jack Wilshere if he ever gets his career back on track. Ward-Prowse could also be a pick with upside, but he needs to show a big progression at Southampton in the next 6 months. Beyond those players, the likes of Livermore and Delph are never going to be better tan Henderson. Winks, if he continues to get more minutes at Spurs, should be a frontrunner for 2020.
BelgianSpur
06/10/2017 10:48:00
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jod ... I agree.
Geofspurs
06/10/2017 10:49:00
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Since we are in agreeing mode this morning, I second Belgian's post at 10:48.
Critical_Spur
06/10/2017 11:03:00
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Well, as far as Russia is concerned, there is still time for another 5 or 6 players to progress through our academy and get their obvious call-up!
Geofspurs
06/10/2017 11:06:00
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Agree with your assessment on Henderson/Dier BS, I was just fortunate to miss the England game, as i am with many of those games....Good to see you back HT
Ossie
06/10/2017 11:13:00
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I would definitely put Dier ahead of others as the more defensive one of a midfield 2. I really can't say who should play alongside him. Gerrard or Lampard or Scholes would be good. Too late! As for the attacking lot, I'd start Rashford on the left (as last night) exchanging with Lallana on the right with Dele in behind Harry.
Hot Tottingham
06/10/2017 11:30:00
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England do have so fine young players. They just need to start looking and playing like a cohesive team.
Hot Tottingham
06/10/2017 11:33:00
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So given we are a "Harry Kane" team what happens if Harry picks up an injury? Who scores our goals then? Davies?
OyVeh Maria
06/10/2017 17:16:00
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OyVeh .... Scouts motto ..., 'Be prepared'. Life's motto ..., 'Worry about it when it happens'! It's much less stressful. Do you think MP hasn't considered this?
Geofspurs
07/10/2017 02:20:00
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I'm not sure how many matches Harry missed all together last season but he was out for 8 PL fixtures. We still finished 2nd and with the highest goals for. They weren't all scored by Harry. We scored 86 EPL goals, of which Kane scored 29. Who scored the other 57? Out of all of our 38 PL matches in 2016-17, Harry didn't score in 22 of them. That's over half of our PL fixtures

Harry scores so many goals but we also concede few goals. It's not all about him. Of course it isn't. We are still a very good team with or without HK. It's 11 v 11 and football (good or bad) is not, never was and never will be a one-man show. We all know this

Without Harry in the team we may not score as many but someone else will be in his vacated position and will be presented with goal scoring opportunities they will not usually have when Harry is playing. There's Llorente, Son, Dele and Christian for starters.

We miss him when he's out. That goes without saying but which team wouldn't miss the twice Golden Boot winner, if he played for them?

Hot Tottingham
07/10/2017 07:32:00
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Dead right! We have a very strong squad. Supporters need to believe in it as much as MP and the players do.
Geofspurs
07/10/2017 08:09:00
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Dele Alli scored 18 PL goals last season. Without the "selfish" HK in the team, getting in his way, maybe he would have scored a good few more himself. (He quite probably would've). That was just 2 less than Costa and Aguero. It's a pretty good total considering he is not even considered to be a "striker". Likewise for Son, who scored 14 in the PL.
Hot Tottingham
07/10/2017 08:24:00
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Hot Tottingham - In fact if you work it out in terms of minutes played per goal Dele and Son are very closely matched, its just that Dele spent more time on the pitch. Neither of them though is a natural centre forward and playing without a focal point doesn't mean your attacking midfield players will score more goals, they may score fewer as no one is pulling the defenders out of position. Son can be effective playing as a false nine if the opposition come to attack and leave space for him to run into but that doesn't happen often these days, against a packed defence he just bounces off. If Harry isn't playing we need another centre forward, hence getting Llorente.
jod
07/10/2017 08:47:00
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That of course is also possible, jod. I really just wanted to highlight that it is always a team effort.
Hot Tottingham
07/10/2017 08:50:00
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Likewise, it's the clever passing and very much the movement of Dele, Son, Eriksen (even Sissoko) etc., that help's and will help Harry in his quest for more goals. Without their quality, would he score as many? I think Llorente is a good buy. I'm confident that without Harry and also with Harry, that he will also contribute a few goals and assists himself. A player like Llorente is always a diversion and a handful for any defence, just as much as any of our forwards are, and will always help to open up a backline for plenty of good goalscoring opportunities.
Hot Tottingham
07/10/2017 09:00:00
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I should have said that possibly, not probably, that Dele may have scored more.
Hot Tottingham
07/10/2017 09:17:00
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Good post at 7:32 Hot Tottingham. May be you should send a copy of that to Pep! May be he couldn't pronounce Tottenham and I'd been happy had he called us Tottingham! It is always a complement when a worried manager has a dig at another club.
Critical_Spur
07/10/2017 09:42:00
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Well done to Josh for a super goal v Scotland.
Critical_Spur
07/10/2017 09:45:00
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Will Harry score tomorrow and, if so, how many. I'm thinking a brace.
Geofspurs
07/10/2017 10:04:00
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I'm probably writing what I feel should be another unnecessary post here but, Just to highlight the importance of the team and squad even more, let's look at Lukaku last season. He was up for the GB right until the very last match. He ended up scoring 25 PL goals, just 4 less than Harry. Which Harry only made up in the very last match. Everton however, finished a full 28 points behind Tottenham and he played in all but one of their matches. They are most obviously missing him and his goals right now. And yet, playing for a much better team in United, he finds himself joint top of the PL having carried on scoring where he left off with the Toffees.

I remember reading on here from more than one poster, as recently as last season that Lukaku is the better all-round striker than Harry is. I think that is utter nonsense but whatever the case, he still didn't (as a one-man goal machine himself) help get Everton anywhere near the top of the table on his goals alone. Are Man U now the Romelu Lukaku team?

Thanks CS.

Pep should know better and of course he does. He is no fool. He also has a sense of humour and I'm sure he was just being lighthearted or maybe a little obnoxious just for the sheer hell of it. However he said what many Spurs supporters are now saying and that to me is a far greater insult to the club, players and coach than any outsider saying it. It patronises Kane and it also undermines and puts down the efforts of the rest of the team/squad, as well as Poch and his coaching staff. It is such an inane thing to say about a team but especially the one you follow. Even so, most of us supporters and the rest of the footballing world knows different. So who the hell really cares?

Hot Tottingham
07/10/2017 10:32:00
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That Josh Onomah goal is an even better volley than Danny Rose's one in his debut against Arsenal. I think we should send the U-21's to Russia in place of the 1st team. Albeit with Rose, Kane, Dier, Alli, Winks and Trippier to warm the bench.
Hot Tottingham
07/10/2017 11:54:00
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HT ... Surely not better than that great Spurs legend David Bentley's volley against Arsenal? Did he ever score again? :-)
Geofspurs
07/10/2017 12:19:00
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Did he ever play again?!
Hot Tottingham
07/10/2017 12:38:00
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Of course Harry Winks would've been playing for the U-21's himself if Southgate hadn't called him to the 1st team squad. He may have even been better off accompanying and actually playing with his Spurs team mates Josh, KWP and all the rest.
Hot Tottingham
07/10/2017 12:43:00
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HT .... It’s a memory thing, but I couldn’t think of his name (Bentley) and had to look it up. I suppose it’s his fault for being so easy to forget. Now I’m trying to think of the name of that guy who keeps banging them in for us now. Nope, it’s gone .... obviously another of those easy to forget players who will never amount to much.
Geofspurs
07/10/2017 12:51:00
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Bentley's only 33 and yet he retired over 3 years ago. Maybe Poch could encourage him back to Spurs. He owes us a few more goals, I think. Apparently, amongst other business interests, he co-owns a London restaurant with Raheem Sterling and Oxlade-Chamberlain! Thank you Wikipedia for that completely useless bit of information that I'm certain nobody here is at all interested in. Sorry!.
Hot Tottingham
07/10/2017 12:55:00
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Pep should know we aren't a one man team, because we beat his Man City side last season when Kane was out injured. btw good posts Hot Tottingham
Guyver
07/10/2017 13:40:00
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HT ... Good to know. Now I can die happy!
Geofspurs
07/10/2017 14:06:00
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Kane had a quiet game but even then you could see his class compared to other players, he is a cut above most of the English squad imo.

This England squad is not great and they will no doubt give us lots of stress if we get too involved in the next WC. They simply not good enough on the big stage but also I blame the FA for the manager choices, I always think teams reflect their manager, may be not so much at international level compared to club, but its still there and Sougthgate is so dull, no humph like Hodgson and the team play that way. I want a manager on the side lines with passion but not stupid that they lose it when they need a calm head. Look at Spurs, they reflect Poch, they have class, they play with style, they have stronger mentality we have seen in years, and this is what is needed at international level, but we always seem to get the wrong type of manager.

For me we are weak at the back, although Cahill is good enough he is coming towards end of his career. Stones is ok but still young, but we miss a real leader at the back and Hart is nowhere near the level he was and personally I think we need to bleed another GK in but probably want until after Russia now.

Dier is showing his worth and is definately first choice, there doesn't seem to be another DM available to compete with him though and I don't think England can play without him, we need that protection in front of the back four.

Bertrand is average, if Rose gets back to his best I would say he will be first choice, and there is enough at RB with Walker and Tripier but midfield and attacking we still haven't got a settled team imo.

Henderson is back and is good enough to play with Dier, but if either him or Dier is injured I don't see any real central midfielders good enough that is a worry. In attack, Dele is still learning and I am not convinced at Sterling, although he seems to be playing better at City, he just doesn't do enough to warrant being first choice at international level. Lallnana is good but lacks pace and inconsitency at international level, and I don't see any offensive players that can be said to have done enough to warrant first choice. Welbeck injury prone, as is Sturridge and vardy doesn't convince me either.

I am looking forward to seeing if Winks gets a go, I think if he can transfer his tottenham play to England we may see another gem, he will use the ball well and keep things moving and has a good pass in him but he hasn't played yet.

I don't think we get the ball to Kane enough, and our offensive play is poor a lot of the time, we haven't a Eriksen type of player or a Dembele who controls the midfield and links midfield to offenseive play, we are short and our tempo is very poor.

I hope some new players get a chance over the coming months, Barkley if he gets fit may be could find a way in, expect Lallanna to come back and Rose, but who else!
It'sME
07/10/2017 14:33:00
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You got me thinking It'sMe. Alf Ramsey was one of the most dull managers I can remember. And was always criticised for lacking passion and a personality. Along with a very unassuming and understated Bill Nicholson and a very dour and quiet Keith Burkinshaw. All winners and all ex-Spurs. 2 of them as players of course.
Hot Tottingham
07/10/2017 16:35:00
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Of course Kane is a top class striker, as his success rate in probably the hardest league to be a striker in proves. The term "world class" is hackneyed and wildly used, but the question that has to be asked is, if Spurs even hinted that offers for Kane would be treated seriously, what calibre of clubs would join the chase, and what level of fee would be required, no doubt in excess of £100M.
Frank
08/10/2017 17:49:00
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Although the England performance still left a lot to be desired I thought all of our boys performed well in an England shirt. Harry Winks was a stand-out performer, looking completely composed on the ball and running the midfield for England. I can’t help comparing him to Kane’s first games for Spurs and England .... he seems to have the same, no-nonsense, mature attitude and goes about his job with energy, confidence, and faith in his own ability. I also thought Dele looked a lot sharper than he has done lately. It’s beginning to look like our players are destined to be the backbone of the national team in Russia. And the bonus, fingers crossed, is that we seem to have come out of the break without any injuries to our players.
Geofspurs
09/10/2017 01:20:00
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I'm sure that Winks will be playing a lot more minutes for Spurs this season than last and that could prove to be very beneficial to his future England career. People may say that he isn't yet experienced enough to be a full-time member of the 1st team squad in the summer but, it could well be that by the time the World cup comes along, he will indeed be good enough to go to Russia if others such as Wilshere and Barkley are not up to scratch. Dele quickly became a regular 1st choice in his first Spurs season and he was just as green when he was first promoted into the England senior team.
Hot Tottingham
09/10/2017 07:14:00
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