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RIP 'Spursy'

RIP 'Spursy'

Take note, mark the date, kiss whoever you love, (or anyone you want to), laugh at all your non-Spurs mates the next time they try the jibe, it's official, the death of 'Spursy' happened at the home of one of Europe's greats.

The slow spiraling death of 'Spursy' has been coming for the last two seasons, less and less have we had to cringe as the barb was chucked about by both Spurs fans and foes alike. We are not flat track bullies as we were once accused of being, we're now firmly a team with depth, focus and the eyes firmly on the prize.

This coach, his coaching team, the whole squad, is now made of sterner stuff; it has a backbone, it has desire and now more than ever it has mental fortitude and self belief in spades.

The contrast between last nights meeting and our previous encounters in the Champions league was crystal clear.

When we bought Llorente I opined that sooner or late in some games we'd see him starting side by side with Harry, but I never once thought I'd see it happen for the first time against a team of Real Madrid's pedigree and class and in their back yard.

It seems a few were quick to judge and decided Poch was committing the footballing equivalent of self immolation.

I wasn't at the game, but a friend who was called me when the team was announced and said

'Poch has been reading his own reviews, this will end him, has he gone mad? '

I disagreed, but inside my stomach churned and as I started watching the game with some friends (not Spurs fans) and awaited what I thought was the inevitable., they too could sense my discomfort, the banter started and the 'Spursy' barb was bandied about.

At the end of the game, all, one after another agreed we were impressive and really should have won.

The formation worked, Llorente worked, it all worked.

Yes, we had scares, but I'd argue that we should have won, use the same approach and beat the Bundesliga's leaders in their own back yard and our silly long odds will be slashed again.

Before our Dortmund home performance I'd suggested that for us to show our maturity, our new mentality that we had to show we can now absorb pressure and respond and play on the counter, as it was, for me, it was a seminal game that showed that we had arrived, it was tge beginning of the end of 'Spursy', last night was finally the nail in it's coffin.

Poch has turned Spurs into a different proposition, we're a team that doesn't crumble under pressure anyone, we don't flatter only to deceive and disappoint.

We're even winning games when we don't look at our best, all signs of a club that's on the rise.

The 'Spursy' days have been put to rest and for all the flack that some have and still give Poch it's clear that he's stamped his mentality, his approach on the whole club now.

Dare we dream of going all the way to this years Champions League final?



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Writer:Written by Spursex
Date:Wednesday October 18 2017
Time: 12:40PM

Comments

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This is certainly a massive performance in many ways. I don't think we can fully banish the Spursy tag until we win a major trophy but we have certainly come a long way. A mature performance and proves our first 11 or 15 are good enough to compete at the top end. This also proves Poch is learning and is a very good manager. COYS
Real Deal
18/10/2017 12:34:00
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We were very ‘Spursy’ against Madrid. We’ve been Spursy for almost 3 seasons. But we’ve redefined the word. It means something far removed from its original meaning. Much like Spurs supporters turned the word ‘Yid’ around and making it something to be proud, this team has turned the word Spursy around. Sometimes we will have games when we are not so Spursy, but not often. We can look forward to a future where Spursy games are the norm and other teams will fear us because of it. Come on you Spursys!
Geofspurs
18/10/2017 12:58:00
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Like Real Deal, I recognise the magnitude of the result and certainly praise MP and the players. However, I just need to look back a few weeks to see very "Spursy" performances this season, against Swansea and Burnley. We will need a few more of these good games to change the reputation for good.
BelgianSpur
18/10/2017 13:59:00
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I think that's a bit harsh BS. The term Spursy generally signifies a failure to live up to expectations when the pressure is greatest. Some would argue our failure to win the title in 2015-16 or last season's FA Cup semi final loss against Chelsea are representative examples. But if we take your examples as the benchmark, then in effect any time we fail to win a match it's Spursy.
Gary Onedaysoon
18/10/2017 14:44:00
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BS .... Chelsea lost to Palace, Arsenal lost to Watford .... what does that say about them? What don't you understand about the competiveness within the PL? As Gary suggests, you will always see the team as spursy (insultingly) because we will lose and draw future games. It seems to me that whenever a good thing is said about Spurs you always qualify it with a 'but ....' Surely that makes it very hard to enjoy being a supporter.
Geofspurs
18/10/2017 15:00:00
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Gary - given that winning a PL title is a game of fine margins, which is usually decided by less than 10 points at the end of the season, dropping 4 points against what are essentially very beatable opponents could (and likely will) prove important when the final table is counted. Titles are not won in one or 2 deciding fixtures (cups, on the other hand, are) - they are rather a reward for the most consistent team. So in effect, the pressure is always on because a win against Swansea in September is worth the same (3 points) as one against Chelsea in May. The fact that we didn't win the title in 2015/2016 could just as easily be attributed to dropped points early in the season as to the games we failed to win later, when we were playing catch up with Leicester. Losing a semi-final against the future champions last year is anything but Spursy. We came up against a strong opponent, who were more fortunate on the day. But those are not games I go into thinking that we are going to win them more often than not. Home games against Swansea, on the other hand...
BelgianSpur
18/10/2017 15:13:00
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Geof - And both Chelsea and Arsenal are behind us in the table, a full 9 points behind City. Statistically, I would say that their chances of winning the PL this year are reducing by the minute. 10 point swings are not impossible, but they are rare. Because, as you correctly point out, the PL is competitive and City aren't going to stop winning to let Chelsea and Arsenal back in. So if the ambition is to win trophies, I would be reluctant to use Chelsea and Arsenal as examples this year, and I would rather set my sights on City, who have picked up 22 out of a possible 24 points so far. The benchmark for title winning pace is redefined each year, by whichever team is leading the table. This year, regardless of what the two London clubs are doing, we need to use the Manchester clubs as a benchmark. Everyone enjoys being a supporter in different ways, but I feel we've had this conversation already and I'd rather avoid beating a dead horse. I'm just not telling you how you should enjoy your football...
BelgianSpur
18/10/2017 15:24:00
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BS, if that's your explanation then I think you render the term redundant. By your logic every team that fails to win the league should have the equivalent moniker of Spursy, because at some point in the season all of those teams will have failed to win matches they were expected to. But the term Spursy is much more specific than that. Rightly or wrongly it has evolved to reflect Spurs' reputation for folding when they are on the verge of achieving something. Their failure in their last seven FA Cup semi finals is an example of what is intended by the term. To go back to your example of the games against Burnley and Swansea, whilst the points for games at the start and the end of the season are the same, if a club is in contention for the title the pressure is far greater at the end of the season.
Gary Onedaysoon
18/10/2017 15:30:00
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BS ... You missed my point. Chelsea and Arsenal lost so what should they be called to rival an abusive 'spursy' nickname. Are we spursy (by your definition) every year we don't win the title? Third and second don't count? Nothing else counts?
Geofspurs
18/10/2017 15:41:00
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I hate the word Spursy and I won't use it to describe any of our performances. That's from an expectation of previous eras. Pochettino is redefining our club. No need to carry it on anymore. For 3 seasons and now this one our club has shown tremendous improvement and is unarguably now considered a member of the EPL top 6 and certainly one of Europe's top 20. With what we have in the pipeline (stadium, doubling or tripling of revenues, magnificent training facilities) and the present draw of playing at Wembley this club's profile is changing for the better forever. Very, very soon we will be able to compete for the best players both pre prime and in their prime years. And the trophies will come. Hopefully I will be here for the ride.
jvd
18/10/2017 15:53:00
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Thank you, Gary.
Geofspurs
18/10/2017 15:55:00
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BS .... Don’t hold your breath looking for perfection because, apart from the voice of Eva Cassidy, perfection cannot be found in the known universe. Am I getting angry? No! Hang on a minute. Thinks. Yes! Well, I haven’t slept for 26 hours because of time zones and watching 22 idiots kicking hell out of a piece of round leather. Off to bed. Good night and may the football gods smile on you and bring you into the light.
Geofspurs
18/10/2017 15:57:00
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Agreed JVD, it's a vulgar term. Never used it myself. Nonetheless, it's used by many within and without the club, so it's time to put it to bed.
Gary Onedaysoon
18/10/2017 16:56:00
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It was one bloody game. And we have won nothing. Let's see if we can back it up by topping the group.
123spurs
18/10/2017 18:34:00
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Let's see if we can back it up against an average pool team who can't defend should be easy 3 points.
123spurs
18/10/2017 18:36:00
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Why the resentment 123spurs ? Are you a paid troll ?
Arky
18/10/2017 19:00:00
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Indeed it is a vulgar term that should offend every fan/supporter of THFC.
Arky
18/10/2017 19:06:00
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Think about it, such negative connotation is implied to your club and will you perpetuate it by repeating it ? When someone calls me an idiot, its arbitrary but when I call myself an idiot, it removes all doubts.
Arky
18/10/2017 19:12:00
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With fans like 123, who needs enemies. He/she loves to call the team Spursy. Relishes the opportunity to put certain players and the manager down. And, can't find any joy in performing as we did last night against one of the very best footballing teams of all time. Weird or what?!
Hot Tottingham
18/10/2017 20:10:00
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123spurs, if we lost 5-0 would you have said "It was one bloody game"?? No, you wouldn't. Drawing away to Real Madrid, with 4 - 5 first team players unavailable, was an excellent result off the back of 2 wins over Apoel and Dortmund.
Guyver
18/10/2017 20:33:00
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Good article, Spursex. It does bring the subjective "Spursy" term to the fore, how it relates to us as fans due to expectations of the club/team.... I took Spursy to mean "typically fall short, especially with a poor performance." The lions have been waiting for Spurs to really fail for a while, but I think all can agree that THFC is in a position none would have thought possible over this course of Poch's term. Utd and City were the favourites, with Chelsea, from July (£) despite finishing below us and we have topped all stat charts+/- since Aug 2015. We appear to have comprehensively overtaken Arsenal and Liverpool with 2 league challenges denied by non-European competing teams imo.... First time back to back in CL ever and against Real Madrid..away..back to back champions..key players missing..Winks, Llorente and Sissoko to start? Crumbs! Wisdom from Poch and maturity from the team. Deserved point as either could've won... This is the culmination, comparing yourselves against the best available and coming out with pride, of THFC's project on and off the pitch. Talented and organised the team will take a huge amount of experience from this uncharted territory. Plaudits deserved. I think our last "Spursy" moment, at a stretch, was losing our heads vs Chelsea 2-0 up, chasing Leicester, although that was a turning point turning from boys to Men, shown by our challenge last season... We've looked the best equipped over 2+ years, in overall footballing terms, to compete with the best on a comparable shoestring budget youthful squad and manager... We are setting new standards at the club consistently, despite the odds, which is a sign of our continued organic merited progress. The Spursy is dead, long live the Spursy, to emphasise your initial point Geofspurs!
melloSPUR
18/10/2017 23:36:00
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@BS, I'm sure you'd agree that we've been in uncharted territory for the past 2 years as we've set new personal bests and appear to be the blueprint for any club that doesn't have Big4 history/£b injection. I agree we need to take wins from draws at home, although impressive away form has balanced that, thankfully. We're consistently better than our opponent and that's the only way we'll have a chance to win the league at the end of 38 games. I'm confident we'll make up the points come May and be in with a chance of a trophy come squeaky bum time. Dembele, Wanyama, Rose, Davis, Lamela on the mend (fingers crossed) while Alli (if he pulls his finger out...) should make us able to to compete if we can up our tempo and take a few less touches. Any bits you agree with?
melloSPUR
19/10/2017 00:04:00
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Agreed Gary Onedaysoon. If anything other than a win is Spursy that must mean failure, despite being able to learn something even in defeat. I'm not sure THFC have earned the right to those expectations just yet. Even Utd fans understand where they've been for the past 4 seasons after Fergie's dynasty and the job Mourinho is doing to rebuild. Most would agree City were/are a Kompany away from winning the league last/this season, so they are where to be expected. Squad costs 2016/17 were £235m v £515m and we know it increased this summer. Poch has one loss in all competitions this season, which is nothing to be sniffed at, and I doubt we'll go in as underdog in many games other than the elite in Europe until May. Surely a testament to how far we have come in 2+ years with new facilities on the horizon? The Spursy is dead, long live the Spursy! :-)
melloSPUR
19/10/2017 00:29:00
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@Spursex, to answer your final question, I think we have as good a chance as any other English team to win the Champions League, and all competitions we're in, with the squad and manager we have. They look mature, talented and organised enough to give anyone a run for their money. It's such a "shame" we're at Wembley, because 4+ more points at the Lane could've been had possibly.... The old cliché, one game at a time does spring to mind, but I'm confident we'll be up for it a lot more times than not overall over the course of the season to be in with a shout.... I suppose we didn't do too bad to a team that is unbeaten in 30 Champions League matches. Who better to measure yourself against? ;-) #COYS!
melloSPUR
19/10/2017 00:43:00
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mello .... Aii good comments!
Geofspurs
19/10/2017 01:16:00
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I have no problem with people making derogatory or abusive remarks about Spurs .... as long as they are Arsenal, Chelsea, Hammers, or any other clubs supporters. It’s par for the course. The better Spurs are doing the more Spurs are abused by them. In that respect I could easily enjoy us being the most verbally abused club in the land. I do have a problem when I feel I have to defend Spurs from similar remarks from our own supporters who refuse to give the team its due credit, cut them some slack, or finish every complimentary remark with, ‘but’ ....

We are Spursy, and it defines a club which is striving for excellence and world-wide recognition on the football pitch .... and we are receiving it. It defines a club that has dreams of glory and is making every effort to fulfil them. It defines a club that is leaping every hurdle it faces. It defines a club that endorses the meaning of the word, ‘unity’. It also defines a club that will win matches, lose matches, and draw matches, just like every other club on the planet, but a club that has developed a winning mentality which will see a winning result more often than not. It defines a club which is daring to do!

I don’t demand that Spurs become the best team in Europe or win trophies for the cabinet but I am enjoying the journey the club is on to achieve both. ‘Spursy’ really does define our club. It’s a new age. Lucky us!
Geofspurs
19/10/2017 02:10:00
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Spurs are a club improving each season. Poch is a younger manager, never really won big trophies or league titles... most of the squad the same. So yes we have made mistakes, last 2 seasons in PL. and CL. This week they showed as Harry says.. a measure of how far we have come (improved). It is surely just a matter of a few months now, and we will see silverware at Lilllywhite house / Enfield Training Ground trophy cabinet. Spursey term will be chucked out the window, renamed goonsey and sent across N London to land in the centre circle of Emirates stadium N5. :-)
Block D Spurs
19/10/2017 10:18:00
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Also.. I noticed after the game in Madrid... Gooner fans on twitter... Saying they are embarrassed by their team... Spurs did well.. Gooners would have lost 5-0 etc. The balance of bragging rights and success has returned to N17..... Long may it continue.. COYS
Block D Spurs
19/10/2017 10:26:00
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I wonder, was it typically Realsy for our Spanish opponents on Tuesday to score an own goal and miss several clear cut scoring opportunities of their own, when playing at home and to a bunch of lightweight perrenial losers from North London?
Hot Tottingham
19/10/2017 10:38:00
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When it comes to Tottenham and being typical; Can anyone tell me the last time we lost 2 or more matches on the trot? Or, how often we have indeed lost 2 on the trot since Pochettino took over? How often have we conceded more than 2 goals in any one match? How many in-house records have THFC broken in the past 3 seasons? How many total goals have we scored? How many have we conceded? Who's Harry (Championship) Kane? Why am I asking such stupid questions?
Hot Tottingham
19/10/2017 10:48:00
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To answer the last one .... I don't know.
Geofspurs
19/10/2017 10:58:00
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It seems the pundits agree; the days of being wound up with being 'Spursey' are over, at least according to Keane. http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/10/19/roy-keane-suggests-lads-its-tottenham-days-are-over-makes-a-pred/
spursex
19/10/2017 11:02:00
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And, if anyone still feels that Spurs are only doing better in the PL these days because the standard has dropped and our main rivals are not so hot, take a look at the current CL group standings of all the English clubs in it.
Hot Tottingham
19/10/2017 11:06:00
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Roy Keane praising Spurs is akin to squeezing blood from a stone.
Hot Tottingham
19/10/2017 11:11:00
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HT .... I disagree in one respect about the PL standard dropping .... Arsenal being my one and only example! How sad (why am I laughing?).
Geofspurs
19/10/2017 11:20:00
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Oh, yes, ... and are the neighbours now known as Arsy?
Geofspurs
19/10/2017 11:23:00
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Maybe it's my way of rationalising things, but losing an FA Cup semi-final isn't anything to be ashamed about if you're up against an arguably much stronger opponent. Losing to Gent in the EL is, because we should be winning those games more often than not. I understand the term "spursy" to mean failing to produce a performance when something is on the line (but as discussed earlier,that's almost all the time for me) AND when we are up against an opponent who is there for the taking. It's failing to take advantage of a good opportunity when it presents itself, no matter when that opportunity is. For example, if results go our way and we have the opportunity to take the lead in the PL table in 2-3 weeks' time (thereby making a statement to our competitors), and we drop points against a "small" team, that will be spursy, even though there will still be a full half of football to be played an plenty of time to improve. It seems like the term is used and abused in all sorts of ways, and even amongst fans, we have different understandings of the term. Anyways, yes it's clear that we are improving, but if in the end the improvement doesn't lead to trophies, you'll have to wonder what the point was. At various times in the past we have come close (the 2011 team, for example), but failed to win a trophy. If this team doesn't win anything, will they be remembered differently?
BelgianSpur
19/10/2017 11:27:00
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I can't wait for the first NLD of the season. Which I shall now build as Arsy v Classy!
Hot Tottingham
19/10/2017 11:28:00
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Don't be fooled by the sunshine boys "n" girls, 'cause you know it's gonna pi$$ down tomorrow!
Hot Tottingham
19/10/2017 11:32:00
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If we don't win a trophy try to remember the point was to enjoy game of football.
Geofspurs
19/10/2017 11:55:00
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I wouldn't at all surprised if it was a typical glass 'alf empty Tottenham supporter that first coined the term "spursy". In fact before I post this, I will check it out.

Yes, is the answer it seems.

Oxford University Press has announced that the word ‘Spursy’ will be included in the ever popular Oxford English Dictionary from this year. (2016)

The term, which means to constantly fail living up to expectations, was invented by Tottenham Hotspur fans who had grown tired of watching their team unceasingly collapse at the first sign of pressure, and will now officially enter the English lexicon with the latest release of the English language’s lexicon of record.

A spokesperson for the Tottenham Supporter’s Trust said: ‘It’s immortality of a sort, I guess. We’ve grown used to watching our side bottle it in spectacular fashion over the years, and I even suppose we’ve come to expect it’.

There you go.

Hot Tottingham
19/10/2017 12:42:00
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I also found this on Google.

It's a recent VS article from "One of our Own". Dated: Tuesday February 7 2017

I hope you don't mind me quoting you Geofspurs.

The last 2 paragraphs read:

Why, as THFC supporters would we perpetuate what, to me, is an unfounded myth and gives the opposition ammunition to disrespect and make fun of our club? If I keep repeating, I'm stupid, I'm stupid, I'm stupid, enough times, everyone will be convinced that I'm stupid. I'm stupid...see I've already convinced myself...and you, too!

Being constructively critical of the team we support is quite acceptable across supporter-land. But does anyone on Vital Spurs think that denigrating the team we support on a public forum is, in any way shape or form the most constructive way to criticise the players, manager, chairman, or anyone else associated with THFC, whenever we get a bad result or two?

Who's feeling "stupid" today?

Hot Tottingham
19/10/2017 12:59:00
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Not in the least ... it sounds like you in any case.
Geofspurs
19/10/2017 13:15:00
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good article, funny reading some comments from those who clearly don't know what the term 'spursy' is....and i think we warranted that label years ago, but not no more!! Lets just win something and dead this phrase one time.
Ossie
20/10/2017 12:04:00
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Aint nothing wrong with being a glass half empty supporter, rose tinted supporter, or the more level header supporter..we all want the same thing
Ossie
20/10/2017 12:08:00
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This debate is now over! :-)
TQ2Spurs
22/10/2017 19:37:00
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