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The return of 'gegenpressing'

The return of 'gegenpressing'

We as a club came of age at the Bernebau and sent a message out to not just the English teams but the Top teams in Europe that we are finally back at the top seat of European Football.

Compare last season`s European campaign against this one. The leap in performances was as big as Leicester`s performances that led to their Premier League win. Poch has raised the bar and all the other major 5 Premier League teams will have seen that performance and realised that we can mix it with the best. If we had been thumped by Real Madrid on Tuesday this article might have been a very different read.

We didn`t get thumped though, instead we showed everyone what a class act we are and Klopp will have seen that. The press and punters alike have said Hugo Lloris was the hero of the night and big up to Hugo he pulled off a "worldy" but the man of the match for me was Vertonghen. Verts pretty well shut down the left-hand side of the pitch and reduced any attacks coming in to corners, his concentration and timing of tackles was awesome. But what about Harry? not Kane, but Winks. Talk about a Star is born! He can only get better and what a fantastic successor to Dembele he will become.


So here we go, another game, another day at Wembley and all our feet had better be firmly on the ground for this one cos its 'gegenpressing' time as Maribor found out to their cost. The Pools win in Slovenia was defined by their high pressing game. As Klopp said "We were really in the right situations on the pitch, causing them problems and we're a really good football team and they couldn't cope with us tonight.'

Liverpool are the only team Poch has failed to beat in the league since he joined Tottenham in 2014. So, just as we put one monkey to bed this week we have another one to get off our back on Sunday. We may have found our confidence but Pool will be buzzing after their victory in Slovenia. It will now be down to how we contain Philippe Coutinho; Mohamed Salah and Roberto Firmino and how our midfield will cope with the pressure Pool will put on us.

Liverpool are not great at the back and it will be interesting to see how much man power they allocate to keep Kane quiet. Liverpool have conceded from 18.5 per cent of shots faced in the Premier League this season - the worst record in the division. They have faced as many shots as Tottenham (65) but have conceded seven more goals. Kane has taken 50 shots this season, 18 more than any player in the division and is currently averaging roughly 6.4 shots per game. Which means Lovren has a job to do.

The Stats suggest that Liverpool are better when Lovren is part of their back four than when he is not in the side. Liverpool are looking to improve their away form with only one win in their last five league outings. In fact, their recent run has placed question marks over Klopp`s management. Losing 5-0 to City drawing 1-1 at home to Burnley were not the best start but they ran United close and you can see the Reds are improving so this game will be a battle of wills and another big test especially as its at Wembley.

Who Poch picks for this one will also be interesting especially the formation Poch wants to use. Poch wants us to dominate our opponents but sometimes that possession game doesn`t work, we have to be prepared to give the ball to the opposition and create some space behind them. Pool will be in our faces if we try to keep the ball too much. Given that Danny Rose may start we may have a different option to watch. If Rose does start then I can see Aurier being started over Trippier, but Poch has some serious work to do with Aurier. I described him earlier this season as the new Benny brilliant and rash all in one game!

The thing is who is hitting their form the best, us or the Pool? If Pool have started to become a goal machine and, let`s face it, we struggle to score Goals at Wembley Poch has to get his tactics right. So will Poch use the same formula against Pool as he did against Real Madrid? I doubt it - with Dele Alli back and possibly Rose the dynamics will change again and I expect to see Moussa or Wanyama on the bench with Winks starting as the engine room in the middle of the park. Sissoko may get the nod rather than the bench but as the walking wounded start to return Poch is starting to get some very good options to play with.

We need to make a statement on Sunday we have to get another performance out of the team mentally we have gone above that insecurity we showed last season. We must now build on that Real result if we lose against the Pool it will feel like we just undid everything we worked so hard for in Spain'



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Writer:Written by Oyveh Maria
Date:Friday October 20 2017
Time: 12:45PM

Comments

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After the fantastic performance and result in Madrid I suppose there is a possibility of a "hang over" as well as the possibility of the "Wembley factor" lingering on despite the Bournemouth result, but hopefully we can raise our game sufficiently to see off the "bin dippers".
Frank
20/10/2017 13:25:00
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I was shocked to see an internet posting claiming that we have quoted a fee of 30M euros to suitors of Toby Alderwiereld. This to my mind is the bargain of the decade, and at least 10-15M less than he is worth as one of the best CBs in the league. Yes he is getting on a bit, but there is no substitute for class. How much would it cost to buy a like for like replacement for Toby.
Frank
20/10/2017 13:32:00
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I suspect Dele will be back in the fold and we go with Kane as the lone ranger. We have a run of fixtures coming up that could well define our season and after making that statement on Tuesday, I hope and want to see that carried through to the upcoming games. I'd like to see Poch being brave again and if Dele doesn't work out to sub him sooner than the last 5 mins. To contend with Pool's pace we must also have pace and aggression in the team. If Rose is fully fit, I'd like him to take the LB, Aurier on the right and Sissoko his buddy to keep the partnership going. Son as an impact sub v tiring legs, Llorente for plan B and Dembele if we need to close out the game. Everyone is drooling after Tuesday's showing and hope the mood and post match comments will continue in that vein. Sorry Geof, can't see this being a 3-0, any win will do! COYS!
Critical_Spur
20/10/2017 13:50:00
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And as for gegenpress, I want to see gegenstress on Klopp's face!
Critical_Spur
20/10/2017 13:51:00
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@ Frank - I spotted the same article you refer to, but as usual, they're (the media) only trying to unsettle a growing strong team. He's certainly worth a lot more than Kyle Walker, whom we sold for 50m. There's simply no substance to this story. Re: the Scousers, I think we can pull it off, in light of their poor defence, but I wish Poch continues with Vert on the Left & Trippier on the right to stop their runs & crosses. Take out Coutinho and you've crippled Liverpool. Aurier might cost us the game if used, so i'd bench him. He needs to watch and learn atimes. Come on you Spurs!!!
DaSPURS
20/10/2017 13:51:00
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DaSpurs, think you're forgetting Salah. With Mane out, Salah is still a speedy and tricky player. Pool are still quite potent going forward but it's their defence that their fans are really unhappy with. We must be clinical and capitalise on that.....at Wembley (gulp!).
Critical_Spur
20/10/2017 13:58:00
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The result against Madrid was as much about tactics as personnel. In the past Poch has been guilty of trying to play the same way regardless of the opposition, that seems to be changing. The problem with Liverpool has been that trying to dominate possession with a high press when the opposition are doing something similar and have more pace on the counter attack is very difficult. It will be interesting to see how Poch plays it.
jod
20/10/2017 14:18:00
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Let's get Pool! I honestly think we will thrash them.
Hot Tottingham
20/10/2017 14:20:00
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I can see Poch using the 352 ST Harry and Dele..shape in this game. Liverpool will be pressing and we contain them, with counter attacks. Harry will get into the spaces and Dele / Eriksen passes to him to score / score themselves. So spurs need to pass quickly as too many sideways and backwards may prove costly in our being pressed and lost possession. Having said that... this could allow Toby's diagonal balls into the spaces Liverpool leave. What worries me.. in Real Game, we left Benzema and another unmarked in 6 yd box when Lloris made that save with his foot.. can't allow that any more in any of our games from now on.. COYS
Block D Spurs
20/10/2017 16:02:00
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The backbone of this team is the defence it gives the platform the rest of the team is built on. MP has a lot of options in who he selects for this game, i think Lorentte and Kane would be too much for Lovern and Matip and may be tempted to give them another start together, Sissoko is good in this type of game and will give spurs pace from midfield on the counter. It will be very interesting who plays in midfield.
palmover
20/10/2017 17:16:00
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Wanyama is struggling to get fit and could be a way off returning. Unfortunately, Dembele has suffered another set back and is not yet fit to return. Davies and N'Koudou have been training and Lamela could be back sooner than expected. May be in the next week or so. Me? I'm permanently knackered!
Hot Tottingham
20/10/2017 18:56:00
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So?

Lloris; Toby Sanchez Jan; Aurier/Trippier Dier Winks Davies; Eriksen Dele; Kane.

Hot Tottingham
20/10/2017 19:09:00
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I don't think Poch has ever really set up well against very good high pressing teams until recently. I see Liverpool very much on a similar level to Dortmund and I think we have to be willing to sit back a little bit albeit with a lot of energy and pressing like We always play. We have the quality all over the park to snuff them out and punish them with the space they leave. Their strength is also there big weakness. We don't have any major weakness. I genuinely believe we are the better balanced better team. The table will show at the end of season.
asherthesmasher
20/10/2017 19:22:00
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3-4-3 Aurier Davies wb's. Dier Winks Kane. We have options off the bench obv. Sissoko, Son Trippier and Rose Llorente all good options. Can even drop Ali in cm at any time if we are lacking energy.
asherthesmasher
20/10/2017 19:29:00
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As asherthesmasher says, we will have to accept having less of the ball, and hope that Liverpool do not do their knack of getting the early goal. That is how we struggle against them repeatedly. A lot is made of Liverpool's defence, but Liverpool often make our defence look poor. So we do need to line up with disciplined CMs, but have the possibility for goals on the counter, so Sissoko would be handy. I fancy us possibly scoring vs Liverpool via crosses, so I would play Trippier, with Llorente to come on should we need...
TonyRich
21/10/2017 08:10:00
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Surely we are good enough to be imposing our game on them and not setting ourselves up to be mainly defensive and expecting to just hit them on the counter? We may have struggled against them recently but the matches have generally been close, along with the possession stats. They beat us twice last season 2-1 ( C cup) and 2-0 at Anfield (PL). At WHL in the PL we drew 1-1. I don't believe they outplayed us as such in the 2 PL matches as much as the results may suggest - . As in most of our matches we tend to remain defensively strong. Our loses have usually been narrow and, we are rarely, utterly outplayed. - I do think somehow that this season will be different against Liverpool. And, I'm hoping we take the game to them as much as we can and give them a lesson or two on the high press along with some neat and incisive forward play and typically stern defending. Wether from a dominating position in our overall possession and goal opportunities or on the counter when necessary. - It'll probably be a tough match to win but then again, it may not. :-)
Hot Tottingham
21/10/2017 10:54:00
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We do tend to struggle against sides with very pacey forwards such as Mane who I'm pleased isn't fit for this game however, they do still have Coutinho, Firmino, and particularly Salah who is in very good form. I think the way MP set the team up against RM in midweek could also work very well against L'pool, I didn't see it as being a particularly defensive setup but did work very well in reducing the threat from their very talented attacking players. Felt sorry for the Spammers last night..............nah, didn't really. :-)
TQ2Spurs
21/10/2017 11:23:00
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TQ2Spurs, I agree with how it worked against Real and we didn't rely on just the counter attack although we set up strongly to defend against them, and it worked wll. But we also gave them as good as we got up front and not just on the counter attack. I will not underestimate Liverpool, Coutinho and all but I still think they should be just as fearful of our attacking options and prowess, as well as knowing that however we set up defensively we are usually very tight and solid anyway.
Hot Tottingham
21/10/2017 12:02:00
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As someone mentioned it is Livepool’s High press that we have trouble with. It is difficult to bring the ball out from the back against them. Poch needs to plan his tactics to take advantage of their press. I feel c9mfortable that we have the talent to beat them and keep the pressure on the top 2.
jvd
21/10/2017 14:15:00
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Hot Tottingham - last season we drew 1-1 with Liverpool but we should have lost 4-0. Very lucky as Liverpool know how to play us when we DO try to play our own game on them. The important thing is to not lose, and try to win as opposed to trying to dominate them when we won't.... No one is suggesting to be defensive. Just do not expect to dominate as that could go against us.
TonyRich
21/10/2017 16:46:00
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TonyRich, we “could” have lost. Not should have. But you are right, very few teams in the league can dominate another, especially amongst the top 6. We should play a conservative game, focused on defending their quickness and countering when we get the ball. Quick forward passing suggests that Winks gets a start and need for speed suggests Rose and Aurier join him. If we keep our heads we will grind out a narrow but deserved victory.
jvd
21/10/2017 23:22:00
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But, we didn't lose TR. Which was either down to poor finishing or good defending or both. If I remember rightly, Vorm played in that 1-1 draw at WHL and saved the day for us along with Danny's late equaliser. We played a poor game but still didn't lose.

I'm looking at us (hopefully) not playing a poor game today. In other words, I believe we are the much better team despite the great individuals they have in theirs and, if we are on fire we can definately outplay them and outscore them. However MP decides to set us up. Just as City did a few weeks ago when thrashing them 5-0. Who knows, it may be that Liverpool will have a poor game today and Spurs do dominate the play. Maybe not.

I could say that Real should've beaten us by 2 or 3 the other day and we didn't even play poorly. They didn't. In the end, we could've beaten them by a couple ourselves. It ended a 1-1 draw and it's always the end result that counts, regardless of how good or poor the performance was

jvd, Rose is apparently not yet fit enough to start. Which is unsurprising as the guy has only recently got back to full training after a long term injury. He should be on the bench, I presume. Davies himself can do a fine job of troubling their defence, I'm sure

If we do have to grind out any form of positive result and manage a win, I'll be happy. If we thrash them then we'll all be very happy. If! COYS!

I'm going for 4-0 to the Tottenham. 1-0 will do.

Hot Tottingham
22/10/2017 07:07:00
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So, I was wrong in my initial post and after my memory bank kicked in I remembered that the WHL draw against the Pool was a poor performance from us. But, it doesn't follow that we will also be bad today.
Hot Tottingham
22/10/2017 07:28:00
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After Huddersfield's impressive win against Man U, we can get level with United on points today with a win. As for Man City, they are running away with it at the moment. That is until they play Spurs of course.
Hot Tottingham
22/10/2017 08:51:00
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Poch has got it wrong in the past against Liverpool - he has made it too open and has failed to acknowledge Livepool's pace and quick passing. If he doesn't change his tactics it will be the same old story against Liverpool. If he adapts and we beat them then I honestly think we can win the league!
DoncasterHotspur
22/10/2017 12:56:00
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Can't understand this lineup today. Both Davies and Rose on bench, is that lack of fitness and what system are we going to play, hopefully not Trippier at LWB? Or is Poch seen Aurier can play on the left? I hope Poch isn't being clever again against a top team, the selection seems bizarre
It'sME
22/10/2017 15:04:00
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Who's making the site so difficult... Just logging in is now a headache.... Keeps getting worse instead of better... What's with all this navigation... Nan I aint no pilot
Ivor Diamond1
22/10/2017 15:08:00
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Were in the unusual situation, after just eight games, where we can lose but not be overtaken by anyone. We will retain third place whatever happens. It’s even more unusual, after just eight games, that a win could put a substantial gap between us and Pool, Arsenal, and Chelsea .... with the added bonus that we will catch the points total of second place United. Then, all we’ll need is for City to repeat their rapid disappearing act of the last two seasons! Are the football gods smiling on Wembley?
Geofspurs
22/10/2017 15:28:00
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Spurs 3 – 0 Pool. I’m a believer ... as the song goes!
Geofspurs
22/10/2017 15:30:00
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And if you look at the games between the top clubs over the next couple of weeks it could get really interesting. Well, I’m really interested anyway!
Geofspurs
22/10/2017 15:33:00
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Enjoy the game lads. COYS!
Geofspurs
22/10/2017 15:36:00
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We can only hope Geof
spurticus87
22/10/2017 15:38:00
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Geoff we are about to find out. I certainly hope so. When I saw the line up I was surprised to say the least. I can’t see the setup. So I am going to wait and see what it is and trust that I will be very pleasantly surprised!! COYS!!
jvd
22/10/2017 15:38:00
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Fantastic start, coys
123spurs
22/10/2017 16:03:00
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Well now things have got interesting
123spurs
22/10/2017 16:15:00
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Nice one Ali coys
123spurs
22/10/2017 16:39:00
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Well so far the line up and structure and tactics are working. Apart from a brain fart moment we are playing really well. 3-1, I’ll take it. The counter is working brilliantly and Son seems to be getting back to his form of last season.
jvd
22/10/2017 16:41:00
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Don't we love playing at Wembley!
Geofspurs
22/10/2017 16:44:00
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Deserved lead at half time. Let's hope we can keep the tempo high in the second half. Liverpool ain't dead yet.
Harry-Kari
22/10/2017 16:45:00
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Finally,
123spurs
22/10/2017 17:09:00
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Excellent result especially considering all our injuries. Aurier was excellent today and Tripps passing in the first half was outstanding. Well played all the lads and well done Poch.
Harry-Kari
22/10/2017 17:47:00
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Geoff, 3-0 net result, you’re right again! Great game, result never seemed in doubt despite Liverpool 1st half attempts. Trust Kane’s left hammy is ok and it was just a cramp. We shouldnt need him mid week. Let Llorente start and play 90. COYS!
jvd
22/10/2017 17:49:00
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Record PL crowd got their moneys worth.
Geofspurs
22/10/2017 17:49:00
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Best home performance since the WHL days. If we continue to improve our Wembley performances, it increases our chance of winning a domestic cup, with semis/finals held at Wembley anyway..
Guyver
22/10/2017 17:57:00
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Have to say I thought Kane was rubbish .... remember when he used to score hat-tricks? Just two .... drop him! I think United are feeling worried. Arsenal are feeling suicidal. Me, I'm just feeling happy
Geofspurs
22/10/2017 17:59:00
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Best game I have seen us play against Liverpool in a long time, the fast start and clinical finishing got us on the front foot.

I don't want to get carried away so I will still say there are things I saw that can be improved upon. Individual players - Aruier scares me at times, even though he played well today, he came close to committing fouls and giving away free kicks and penalty, he needs to stay on his feet more. Eriksen imo has to improve against the top clubs, he doesn't dictate against better clubs, again like against RM he was not that influencial. Lloris was hesitant for their goal again partly to blame for their goal, so another little slip up against a top team, big game and against Liverpool again, but he saved us many times so we can excuse that little hesitation, and Kane contributed to that, may be he needs to put the ball out if he can't find a pass when he is so far forward towards our own goal and surrounded by players, but hey, he was awsome today, hope he isn't injured. Dele did alright, so night touches, decent goal but still there is something not quite clicking for him like last season. Sissoko although I said probably should see him stay in Jan in the other article, again he showed me why he is never going to be a regular in this team unless we have injuries, he gets free but his final pass to create, score is woeful most of the time, and he lost the ball a lot in the short time he was on the pitvh,not sure he is effective as a sub. I expect him to go next season if we get someone better in and I think we can.

Didn't feel like we were playing at wenbley, that is a plus, I think the players are over the wembley thing, and can't fault their effort and performance today, this was a massive win especially with so many plyers out and after the effort of RM, we have come a long way.

Finally I think we can still see that we mustn't stop playing, like last 20mins Lloris had to make some good saves, the game is never finished against any team especially a top team, had any of those attemps gone in we could have got ourselves into a sticky situation, would like to have seen a little more concentration towards the end, was it fatigue or complacement>.

We could have had more goals, but so could they, it was a good game to watch and we played well, just let it drop towards the end. Thought we fought well and I thought with the players out we are now seeing a squad that is capable of competing better. We have Rose coming back, Davies and Dier should be ok in a few days, Lamela to return and we still have Llorente to show us what he can do. Son played well today, he upped his game after a poor start to the season, that goal will do him a world of good and we need him to be back to his best.

I think Winks was quiet but that was a sign of how average Liverpool were and how good we pressed and competed so glad for him because I was concerned about being beat in midfield. Everything looking good lets keep it up and if we can beat Utd and Westhame it will have been a good month. Well done lads.
It'sME
22/10/2017 18:02:00
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This result does not surprise me in the slightest. Liverpool has one style and Poch has taken advantage of that. Poch is growing as a manager tactically even as great as he is. We will get better when we have Dembele and Wanyama back. Fair play to Winks who has been fantastic. Dier getting I'll worked in our favour. I would have started Ali in cm anyway for this match. Ali is fantastic in cm and may even be his best position in the future. He has the energy to make those late runs anyway.
asherthesmasher
22/10/2017 18:31:00
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Thanks to Pochettinos coaching, injuries don't effect us as much as other teams. Everyone knows what they have to do tactically, from Harry Kane to the squad players. Similar in a way to Fergies Man Utd teams, where even a mediocre midfield of Fletcher, Anderson and John O'Shea could still compete with the best.
Guyver
22/10/2017 18:42:00
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I had a rather good day today. I went for a wee day-trip to Wembley. Nice....

Follow the Wemberly way... Follow the Wemberly way

But there's no place like home.......... There's no place like home. There's no place like home......

Am I allowed to say that 4-1 is a "thrashing"? Real nice.

Hot Tottingham
22/10/2017 20:24:00
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Wow. Liverpool not at the races at all... Took me by surprise. Without Mane they are a different outfit. That is the problem with Klopp's 'best form of defence is attack' tactic. When Mane, Firmino and Coutinho all play, their attack is formidable, and often masks defensive frailty. When one of them is missing, then both their attack is weakened and defence even more exposed. The early goal is key in Liverpool games, because when they score, there is a knife edge between going a further 2 or 3 down or their own defence letting them down. Poch has concocted something great here. We are doing better than I'd thought we would so far, and still not looking like our absolute best yet!
TonyRich
22/10/2017 23:57:00
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great result, but we were 3 goals up and still leaves our start play and goal scorer on the field,,,,giving llornete 5 min.......pls poch use ur brain...the game was won take him off at 75 rest him and dont risk injury to him this has happened before don't leave him on just to see of he can get a hatrick
123spurs
22/10/2017 23:58:00
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TonyRich, comletely agree with your opinion on Liverpool. Even when Mane has played recently, he hasn't hit the heights of last season which has contributed to Liverpools poor run of form. We on the other hand are very balance, but saying that, our defensive solidarity which really keeps us in games, even when we aren't playing great. The back 3 of Sanchez, Verts and Toby has to be one of the best back-lines in world football. It has everything. Not even sure Sanchez has experienced defeat since he started games and this without Wanyama and/or Dembele shielding them.
Guyver
23/10/2017 00:36:00
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if kane gets injured we a def F so
123spurs
23/10/2017 00:57:00
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Just another typical Spursy performance. Come on you Spursies!
Geofspurs
23/10/2017 01:02:00
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Why leave Harry on when you've got Maradona there to replace him?
Hot Tottingham
23/10/2017 01:09:00
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Maradona will always be handy
123spurs
23/10/2017 01:27:00
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123spurs, Kane was injured for almost 4 months last season. We did ok. I think we'd do better now with Llorente and Son.
Guyver
23/10/2017 02:57:00
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We did well yesterday.. The ref was a bit iffy on decisions... He ignored the foul on harry leading to their goal, yet 2nd half gave a foul for exactly the same challenge on him in the same place on the pitch.. almost right in front of me in Level 1. Ali did better as CMF tracked back and defended, his goal well taken. Also sonny speedy running, and finishing a great ball from Harry. Aurier also worries me.. goes to ground sliding tackles... he is another Benny, brilliant / bad in a game. Still he will get better with Poch's training / coaching. Davidson is uncertain in passing, this will be shown up by Man Utd mourino, who said last season, in Europa FInal, they targeted him as he is weak on the ball distribution... Hugo, another good game, except for his hesitation in coming out to challenge Saleh. So a very good win, but 80k crowd made it feel like a sardine event getting to Wembley Park Station after the game ... COYS
Block D Spurs
23/10/2017 08:25:00
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Block D, when Aurier was 1st mooted to be joining us, all the You tube video's that I saw of him showed those trade mark sliding tackles, mostly very effective. But I agree with you, he needs to be measured with his approach. Having said that, I thought he had a good game keeping up with Salah, where perhaps Davies would've struggled. But, Verts gets another thumbs up for me. With the back three formation, imo, Verts looks a different player..... he was also unlucky not to score, but helped Harry with his 2nd!
Critical_Spur
23/10/2017 10:07:00
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What I liked about Aurier when attacking high up on the left-wing was that he wasn't afraid to use his left foot to cross the ball or lay it off. He didn't hesitate in this or feel the need to cut in on his right foot. - I'll also add that this was just his 3rd PL start for us. He will surely continue to improve on his timing in the tackle and general play, the more time he gets on the field. - I also like the fact that he was playing with a smile on his face. Why not my man? This is Tottenham, after all and not West Ham!
Hot Tottingham
23/10/2017 10:39:00
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Agree i thought Auriers ability to play on the left gave the team balance he was doing step overs the lot when attacking. Coys
palmover
23/10/2017 12:27:00
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Seems like I picked a good one to go to. Many positives, but I'll start with what is arguably the best save I have ever seen live. On the whole the performance was great and we finally have that "statement win" at Wembley. The 3 best things I saw: 1. Lloris' saves and overall presence (seeing Mignolet struggle at the other end only amplified that, although he is being made to look worse than he is with an awful back 4 in front of him), 2. Kane's ability and 3. Winks in the middle. The 3 things I did not like: 1. the late substitutions - Kane holding his hamstring at the end is telling. MP could (should?) have brought Llorente on around the 70th minute. Hopefully nothing to worry about. 2. Lloris' distribution - for all his wonderful qualities, this is an area where he still struggles. 3. Sanchez's distribution - I still see a lot of misplaced passes from him. While he seems quite strong physically, and fast, his pure technical ability is weaker than Jan and Toby. Mourinho had a dig at him during the TW, criticising that aspect of his game. It's clear that this is an area he needs to improve in. But overall a solid defensive display. Another player who was beaten a few times was Aurier. But he was being played out of position, against one of the fastest players in the PL. There are mitigating circumstances in this case.
BelgianSpur
23/10/2017 13:24:00
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Belgian, fair summary and glad you enjoyed your day out. I think the overall performance and the result mitigates a number of minor issues, including those you mention in your post. I choose specifically Sanchez, where he was dallying about by the back almost leading to a goal. But I have no doubt those type of issues will be analysed and addressed. Again, Sanchez is still in his bedding in period. Hopefully not needing as much as Sissoko to get up to speed! The subs issue....been mentioned by me on numerous occasions and Poch does run a risk with his decisions at times.
Critical_Spur
23/10/2017 13:31:00
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Regarding Lloris's distribution...on the whole I thought the distribution was GOOD (better than many other matches this season) and that throw to Kane left me mesmerised...seemed effortless to throw it past the half way line.
Critical_Spur
23/10/2017 13:34:00
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Critical - we disagree on that one. That throw was only OK because Lovren made a mess of it. Any decent CB should be mopping up throws like that all game long. It's a poor decision for me, only made to look OK because of a bad defensive mistake.
BelgianSpur
23/10/2017 13:39:00
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Can't dispute the poor defending Belgian, but was merely pointing out the intended target of the throw. Wasn't a hoof nor a customary boot in to touch by Lloris.
Critical_Spur
23/10/2017 14:10:00
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A bad day at the office from Lovren....a Poch pridgy?!
Critical_Spur
23/10/2017 14:12:00
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Koeman has gone.

Looking at some of the stats yesterday and we only had 36% possession which must be our lowest in the EPL under Poch. Only 6 shots on target but 4 goals scored. That's a high conversion rate. And we only conceded 2 fouls all game which shows great discipline.
Gary Onedaysoon
23/10/2017 14:21:00
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BelgianSpur, Sanchez had the highest pass accuracy % in the entire Dutch league last season. This season for us, he has 94% (average pass length 20m), Toby 87% (Average pass length 25m) and Verts 85% (average pass length 21m). What I will agree with however, is that when Sanchez does misplace a pass, they do seem to be more eye catching, ie more dangerous. Overal though, I think he's been a major plus to our backline and an improvement over Dier. We haven't lost since he's been started and that includes games to Dortmund, Real Madrid and now Liverpool where any major defensive deficiencies would surely have shown up, like Lovren yesterday.
Guyver
23/10/2017 15:02:00
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Not saying Sanchez is better technically than Jan or Toby btw, not many defenders in world football are, but he isn't that bad either and seems to know knows his limitations which reduce unnecessary mistakes. He's also very young, especially for a defender, in a new country/league ect and has adapted fairly quickly (as he did with Ajax). If he continues to improve, he has the potential to be one of the worlds best imo.
Guyver
23/10/2017 15:07:00
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Regarding Sanchez, in an era where there is such emphasis on the ball-playing skills of CBs, he bucks the trend somewhat in that at this stage of his career he is more of a traditional CB. He is very good in the air, physically strong and seems to relish the physical battle - all prerequisites for a good CB in the EPL. If he does develop the technical skills he is purported to have, he should, in time, become the complete CB.
Gary Onedaysoon
23/10/2017 15:19:00
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Agree with all of that Gary. And agree with most of that too Guyver. I just think that he still has the potential to commit errors, which worries me. As he is often the last man, any error he makes will be costly, and I just don't trust him like I trust Jan or Toby in possession (but that will come in time, hopefully). I am reluctant to use stats in the Dutch league to predict PL success though. Janssen was the Dutch league's top scorer, however that success didn't really translate to the PL. And the sample size in the PL is too small to deduct anything from. I would just rather have Toby in that central role and Sanchez on the right.
BelgianSpur
23/10/2017 16:07:00
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Blgian, Sanchezs stats weren't just in the Dutch league, he also had a 90% pass accuracy in the Europa League , all the way to the final and includes opponents like Lyon twice, Shalke twice and Man Utd. I don't think his passing is a major concern tbh and it wouldn't surprise me if he ends the season with one of, if not the highest pass accuracy % in the team. The sample size is small, but it shows that so far, he hasn't misplaced too many passes. Likewise had Jansen scored in his first 7 starts, it would be a good sign that his goal scoring record in the Dutch league will transition well to the EPL. His major issue seemed to be that he over commits defensively sometimes and can leave the team exposed. Thankfully we haven't seen too much of that in a Spurs shirt so far. Maybe being the last man has held him back a bit, but I don't think he's personally been culpable for any goals conceded so far, or made any major mistakes, so I can't criticise him for something he hasn't done yet. I also think Toby and Jan play right and left CB because they often spread out wide to cover the wingbacks and both are fairly comfortable in fullback positions. Sanchez is probably the quickest of the 3, so is the one most likely to catch a forward breaking our high line.
Guyver
23/10/2017 16:43:00
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Well, I've seen a few mistakes from him, which thankfully, or luckily, haven't led to goals, or were mopped up by a teammate or Lloris. I'd have to go watch every game again to be more specific but it has stuck in my mind. Judging a piece of play based on the outcome is always hindsight. Just because a misplaced pass doesn't lead to a goal doesn't mean it's not a bad pass. Likewise when I was talking about Lloris' throw to Kane with Critical Spur earlier, I think it's a bad throw which would get cleared easily by a CB 99% of the time. In this case, Lovren made a shambolic error and Kane set up Son to score. We scored from the throw, but it's still a bad throw for me. If we are going by the goals conceded, I think Sanchez has been lucky a couple of times. That's not to be too harsh on him as any player makes mistakes, but I just feel he's slightly more error-prone and it's going to cost us sooner or later. I hope I'm wrong. Time will tell.
BelgianSpur
23/10/2017 21:38:00
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Well as you imply Belgian, Toby and Jan have also made mistakes, as all players have, but Sanchez has played in a back 4 and back 3 vs elite clubs and not been exposed so far. The general consensus is that he's had an excellent start to his career and I certainly agree with that. As a point of comparison, I worry less about his errors as a CB, than Dier.
Guyver
23/10/2017 23:46:00
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