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Poch comes clean.

Poch comes clean.

Poch comes clean.

Edwards, not like Messi.

Poch has come clean about Marcus Edwards in the book by Journalist, pundit and author Guillem Balague see: The book On Pochettino, Brave New World.

As you should know by now, two books are up for prizes here on Vital Spurs, and as I`m reading it now, bit by bit a few burning questions from last season, are being answered.

It was mentioned here that rumours said to be from people connected to the club that not all was well with the 'English Messi` of course then came an injury issue, plus another op that side-lined him, but even when this became clear, the rumours of all not being well persisted.

Again and again you`d see demands for Poch to 'play Edwards` and at times a complete lack of comprehension and even rage at why he wasn`t being given a chance` Poch was somewhat ignorantly accused by some of not wanting to play him.

Now it seems there was a real foundation fo r[the rumours] his lack of playing time; 'A Brave New World' gives an insight into issues with what many Spurs fans believe will be a future 'wonder player` and a game-changer, the sort that many think we lack now.

Poch says this in the book:

'Sometimes I wonder whether it was wise to liken him to Messi. He's only 17. At that age, Messi was making his debut for a Barcelona side featuring Ronaldinho.'

Perhaps one of the most stinging aspects of his comments are where he sees a clear cultural difference between a young English lad and an Argentina one; I wished he`d expanded on this so we could better understand what the criticism was really pointing towards; saying it`s 'cultural` is a bit of a cop out for me, was it attitude, a sense of entitlement, a lack of work ethic, too much, too soon - was it a lack of parental guidance. How do Argentinian kids think and act differently?

But Poch said just this:

'They're from different families, backgrounds and cultures. One of them thinks like an Argentinian and the other like an Englishman. Marcus is still in the process of adapting to the rigours or being a professional, which require you to act and think differently, be disciplined and make sacrifices. He has authority and behavioural problems, and we have to look at the bigger picture to find out the root cause'

Perhaps shockingly Poch even suggests he might not have had a professional future at all;

"There was a time when it would have been seen as impossible for him to play professionally, let alone make it in the Premier League."

'Our challenge is to get him to accept the pathway we've laid out for him, and it's our responsibility to make sure he behaves himself when he trains with the first team. He has no shortage of talent, but there are gaps to be filled: he has to learn to score ugly, run more and be committed.'

Poch explained why he even mentioned Messi as a comparison : 'The reason why I said that he was 'our Messi` is because Leo is the target. Marcus needs to have the conviction that he can become a top professional and believe in the journey separating him from that destination. It's a shame that injury has now halted that process.'

Click here to join in the debate on the club forum.

Date:Monday October 30 2017
Time: 1:04PM


If Poch is owning up some issues with Edwards, then perhaps he should not big them up prematurely, raising everyone's hopes. Equally, he should drop the players in the 'fav 11' that are not performing (Eriksen, Dele).....oh, hang on a sec, we don't have anyone on the bench to replace with! After all Alli has a 'naughty' streak in him, and also should learn from 'sending off'.
30/10/2017 13:28:00
MP should write a book about all the trophies he has won, rather than out a young player trying to make it in football and petty arguments with players who he is happy to sell for 50m to a rival.
30/10/2017 14:15:00
Critical, just want to say I agree that the players you mention are not performing.
30/10/2017 14:28:00
palmover, what petty arguments? You have a source for that? And that £50m player was worth closer to 50 pence before MP's coaching took effect. Same with Rose and a few other players. 2 or 3 years ago, we'd have laughed had you valued some of these players anywhere near £50m.
30/10/2017 14:45:00
There's not enough information (as spursex infers) to draw any meaningful conclusions about Edwards circumstances. Commenting seems rather pointless.
30/10/2017 15:02:00
Palmover/Ghana, it's naive in the extreme to think that Walker left Spurs over a petty argument. It's well documented that early in the year, before the so-called falling out, Walker changed agents and of course agents earn their money primarily through transfers. That's when the wheels were put in motion for his transfer to City. Deals of this magnitude take a lot of work behind the scenes to come to fruition. Once it became clear Walker wanted away that's when the 'falling out' began. Up until that point he had been first choice in all of the big games. Walker put his interests first as he's quite entitled to do and I don't begrudge him it. Poch put Spurs' interests first.
Gary Onedaysoon
30/10/2017 16:51:00
Palmover/Ghana, for my sins I've long had an investment connection with a couple of sports agency's and from time to time still pick up the odd rumour that tends to have a bit more truth in it than not. Some considerable time before the apparent falling out, the agents back channels were awash with talk of him joining city as a 'done deal'. I said as much in the forums long before the rumours of a move to city surfaced. I only say this because to me when Guardiola had talked about his admiration for our wingbacks it was very shortly after. So in conclusion, saying that Walker left over a petty argument is disingenuous, as far as I'm concerned he was tapped up and tapped up heavily with the promise of vast riches.
30/10/2017 17:00:00
Spurs were happy to sell walker so whats the point in bringing it up in a book. Why say Edwards has behaviour problems? that's not the general public's business, that's personal. I would much prefer to read a book about how spurs won a trophy than a football kiss n tell.
30/10/2017 20:11:00
I think the book was about showing real life difficulties that a manager has to help those who want to go into managerment and to give a honest reflection to us fans and media rather than us always thinking we know and believing media hype and gossip. I think it was written with good intentions so I have no problem with it even though I haven't read it - I really want a copy though. I think I have seen enough of Poch to know his intentions were right.

It's risky mind, especially when you have players being mentioned. How will Edwards react to his problems being made public? Well it could mature him and give him a kick up the backside or it could backfire, we don't know, and that is the risk. But as I said, I think Poch did it with right intentions and honesty which is rare these days.

The message about Edwards could also serve as a warning for other young players, letting them know that talent isn't enough to be a professional footballer and I think that has been reitterated only today by Danny murphy which I agree with in some ways when he said the u17 turning their shirts round so the world can see 'it's me, I'm special' rather than showing the badge of England in the win, a collective is definately the way society is today, it's all about 'me' and it's ugly and non serving and I think Poch would feel the same becauee Poch is actually a very nice decent human being from what I have seen. He as said, he teaches respect and human goodness with the players at ALL levels, to respect eachother and the club and develop a feeling of belonging (unit) and that is how life should be imo - we are all connected and all need each other. Just the basics of life we depend on others, to do their jobs to provide us with our needs such as food, water, shelter and so forth. Football is a team a collective sport and we are humans all connected and so I can say Poch for me is the only manager i have come across who genuinely understands this, who lives life and runs the club according to those principles and that is rare in a money making environment.

Not many people will realise this and even understand this but when we die on our death bed, what we have acquire will mean very little, what will be more important is 'how we have conducted ourself', treated others, and if we have managed to acquire things that feel important to us, we will find they are not that important when death stares us in the face but even then if we still feel a sense of fulfilment at what we have achieved what will be more important is 'how' we achieved them? Did we work hard, or did we take the easy road? Did we tread carefully and not harm others along the way, or were we ruthless and had no concern about others along the way? Trust me all these things will come to mind when you face death and so for me I know if I won a trophy the 'right way' in a impossible environment I would be more satisfied than if I took the easy root to win things and if I disrespected anyone along the way to win those trophies I can tell every single person it want feel like a victory in the face of death.

I am not saying we should strive to be the best and should want to win things, but the end product is meaningless if the process of aquiring these things isn't in alignment with good ethics, responsibility and Love.

Back to Edwards, well I hope he reads it and takes a good look at himself if he wants to achieve professional status and live his dream because Poch wouldn't have said what he did if he wasn't on the verge of throwing it all away, because talent will not get you there alone. As for Walker, yes it was disrespectful when he went into the office a few weeks from the end of the season and say what he said when we were challenging for the title, again, it was all about 'him' and not the collective. He could have waited a few weeks until end of the season and then discussed it. Like Murphy said it's society and footballers are part of that and they will behave accordingly unless they can get passed their own self importance.

I think it's hard for them though because they have us fans and media bigging them up and they are paid silly money, how do these players especially younger ones stay focused and level headed and open hearted and decent with that kind of attention!
31/10/2017 12:32:00
It'sMe, tremendous post.
31/10/2017 12:54:00
Excellent post it’s Me. I can remember one chap we had a few years back (forget his name something like Tarabt, Algerian i think), with all the talent in the world but wasn’t a team player, eventually never played for Spurs in many games and then ended up in France where he blew hot and cold for a couple seasons. Never hear about him anymore. So many don’t understand the dedication and sacrifice needed to become a top player. Really hoping Poch can guide this young Edwards to his heights as a member of this excellent Spurs team.
31/10/2017 16:25:00
It'sME, Such an excellent and indeed such a tremendous post, makes me happy to be Spurs. COYS :)
31/10/2017 17:07:00
It'sME post at 12:32:00 should definitely be rewarded with a poster, a book, or both! :-)
31/10/2017 17:09:00
If you question the importance of attitude just look at Kane and Ali. Both incredibly talented but while Harry remains totally focused on the football Dele doesn't and his game suffers while Kane remains rock solid season after season.
01/11/2017 08:38:00
Well said, IM. In Poch we trust!
01/11/2017 09:28:00
No, surprise surprise Edwards is not Messi. To even talk about both in the same breath, one at best a promising youngster whether he has behaviourable problems or not, with one of the "all time greats" is just fantasy. We tend to talk up our youngsters prematurely, before they have delivered anything meaningful.
01/11/2017 11:01:00
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