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Conspicuous By His Absence!

Conspicuous By His Absence!



It wasn`t that long ago that any article appearing on VS, irrespective of the subject, would turn into a Levy-bashing, or current manager-bashing, attack. But over the last couple of years it seems that the 'bashers` have become more and more silent and progressively faded away until, now, they have disappeared completely. Threads, no matter what subject is up for discussion, are no longer taken over by repeated calls for Levy`s head, or the head of the current manager.

Why?

The 'Levy detractors` on VS were consistent in their criticisms; mainly that he would not spend money, and he would not back his manager. They simply did not trust Levy to do what it takes to progress the club ... the progression, as they saw it, being the immediate acquisition of trophies or the purchase of 'world class` players for obscene amounts of money.

Financial constraints in comparison to other clubs were rarely considered.

What changed?

Just as some supporters did not trust Levy, it seems that Levy did not trust some of his previous managers. What many supporters failed to grasp is that Levy had a plan, a long-term plan. We can clearly see that plan unfolding before our eyes in every aspect of the club`s functioning. A few supporters on VS understood that plan. They advised caution, they advised patience, and they advised placing their trust in the THFC Management and Board. They advised a steady and incremental approach in progressing the club to where they dreamed it should be; an approach that would not only lead to success, but would make success sustainable. Levy did not want to buy glory (even if he could) because it was not a business ethic he aspired to. And modern day football is very much a business. He wanted the club`s glory to be sustainable and enduring, which was a far more realistic approach to the business of running a football club in this day and age. Yes, he had a plan. But there was one vital ingredient missing. Until .... along comes Mauricio!

In Mauricio, Levy appears, at last, to have found a manager to share his vision for the club`s future. A manager he can trust. A manager he can support. Of course there is still a fair way to go before Levy`s plan reaches full fruition, but it`s getting closer every season. There will be hiccups along the way. Life throws curve balls at unexpected moments and they have to be dealt with. Key players might, for whatever reason, decide to leave. The manager, for whatever reason, might decide to leave. Some things are beyond the club`s control. But the stronger the club`s foundation is, within its financial capacity, the less damage any curve ball will create and the easier it will be to overcome it.

Of course some of those 'curve balls` will see supporters having a rant now and again .... it`s the nature of football and being a supporter. Any point dropped is unacceptable to some and deserving of some harsh criticism. Having supported Spurs for almost six decades, I can understand, but not enjoy, how a team can beat Barcelona in a CL game and then lose to Wigan in a league match. .... within the same week! The beauty of football is that any result is possible on the day and the many variables that affect the game are not always consistent.

Daniel Levy is a strong person and long time supporter of THFC. He is the longest serving Chairman in the Premier League. He has just been recognised with an award by the Premier League in honour of his achievements. His vision, the 'bigger picture`, is now clear and has taken the club to the brink of sustainable success and potential glory not seen since the 60s.

The future is looking positive and can be viewed with optimism. In the meantime I am looking forward to Levy`s continued absence on future VS threads.

It`s just my opinion, of course. What`s yours?



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Writer:Geofspur
Date:Monday November 6 2017
Time: 4:07PM

Comments

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Ever since we finally and perhaps some would say overdue permission for a new ground, I'd say Levy has stepped up his game, before then I do think that he often (and I'll be kind and say he listened too much to the wrong advisors) got a lot of the managerial appointments badly wrong. When he took over he was full of aspirations and even timelines for key progress, almost all of which slipped. At heart he is unquestionably a fan, but for me his trade-off between getting financial investment decisions right has often been wanting. That said, let's be grateful for a dying breed: a British owner and a fan to boot. The new stadium will be his (business) crowing achievement, if as we should, we can transplant that into the playing side, we will, at long last, be back in the games elite and for that he should be applauded fro his dedication, staying power and keeping his eyes on the prize: a proze that must come next: Trophies!
Spursex
06/11/2017 16:15:00
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Life is just one big learning curve from start to finish. Maybe, Levy has just been on a long learning curve as far as the 'football business' goes and has now got it sorted in his head. Personally I think that he has been a fan for so long and involved with the running of the club for so long, that he could well be described as 'another one of our own'!
Geofspurs
06/11/2017 16:22:00
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Well said Levy is well and truly one of our own
Peter Ball
06/11/2017 16:40:00
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The biggest knock against Levy is the lack of trophies. That is not 100% his fault, but as the chairman of THFC, ultimately the buck stops with him. Until he delivers a trophy, the criticism will continue and the longer the wait for a trophy drags on, the more his record will look poor. There have been some changes in recent years though. We finally have a manager for the future (at last) and we do seem to go for bigger fish in the transfer market (although Levy's net positive transfer spend remains an objective). However, buying expensive players isn't a goal in itself but rather a way to increase our club's chances of winning trophies. So rejoicing that we are spending more is pointless - the question is: are we closer to winning trophies? While we have solidified our place in the current top 4, we still seem some ways off being able to match the pace of a title winning team (Chelsea last year, City this year) and the cups haven't offered much more. Overall, some positive developments in recent years, but also the reality that it's taken us 18 years to get here, which is a very long time to wait. Certain fans will rejoice that we are on a positive path now, and disregard how long it took to get there. Others such as myself will look at the overall tenure, and point out that there have been many years of stagnation tainting Levy's tenure overall, and several false starts. A mixed bag but far from a resounding success for me.
BelgianSpur
06/11/2017 17:05:00
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The one thing that is also strongly in Levy's favour for his approach to never over-extend the clubs finances or by buying and paying for players that the income couldn't sustain, is for everyone to simply look at all the clubs who have ever been in the premier league and see the trial of destruction and devastation that many ex-owners and even current owners of ex-PL clubs have left behind by trying to buy glory, yet being unable to sustain it - it's a horrible list of what at some time or another were the great and the good and for some has been and will continue to be a decades long struggle to reinvent themselves; thankfully because of Levy's prudence or inability (read it which way you want) to leverage Joe Lewis into bankrolling the club whenever things got sticky...we are a club who can proudly say, we stand on our own two feet.
Spursex
06/11/2017 17:17:00
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I can't join in with this Levy love-fest. My 2 biggest gripes are 1. if Levy doesn't pay the going rate of wages to his top stars ,we will lose them & probably a disillusioned manager too as he sees his prize livestock sold off to our rivals.2.does any other top club buy as many donkeys who don't fit in to the Poch way of playing as we do? The responsibility lies with Levy who hires the scouts [or lack of scouts]& does the negotiating of transfers himself with the accumen of a drunk gambler. I also think his spanking new stadium is too small for a club that has the biggest fanbase of any London club.
Greavesaboveall
06/11/2017 17:54:00
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Rather than the statements of adoration for our esteemed chairman expressed by some, I would rather ask the pertinent questions, as I have in the other thread relating to this subject. Following on from those other abject failures as Spurs chairmen Messrs Scholar, and Sugar, why as it taken some 18 years for the current regime to position ourselves to finally be able to compete with our near neighbours for honours? Why have they been sat in a new 60,000 seater stadium for a decade or so amassing revenues far greater than ours, enabling them to pay fees and wages to attract top players, that has led to several trophies and titles, and until this season assumed annual qualification for the CL, almost entirely under 1 manager? I am fortunate to be able to remember the early 60s when Spurs supporters could taunt and ridicule the gooners, due to the relative performances of the 2 clubs. Unfortunately Arsenal saw the light, reacted to their own mediocrity, and did something about it, whereas Spurs limped on after " the Nicholson era" with a succession of incompetent chairmen and a series of managers with 1 League Cup, and one CL QF to show for the last 18 years under the Levy tenure. At last it appears that we just might be able to start to compete with the PL bigees, always assuming that the increased revenue from the Northumberland Park project including the new stadium, will actually be reinvested on the pitch in fees and wages to recruit top quality players as required, and to keep those we already have by paying them competitive wages. It should be remembered that during the long years of ENIC ownership, and lack of success, our owner regularly appears in the top 10 of the Sunday Times Rich List as a billionaire, whilst he and his sidekick Levy have maintained a policy of under investment in this football club long before the restrictions allegedly imposed by any FFP rules, with the obvious lack of success. Levy has presided over an almost unrivalled cycle of wasteful and expensive hiring and firing of managers, in most cases denying them the investment necessary to equip them with tools necessary to succeed. He has now finally stumbled on a guy, probably more by luck than judgement, who appears to show that he might just turn this club around and enjoy some success, always assuming he gets the backing he needs and deserves. If of course we instead direct the increased revenues into further improving Mr. Lewis's life style in the Bahamas, and to maintain Mr Levy's earning capability amongst, or indeed actually the highest in the PL, then this success may once again be denied. It should be remembered we are a football club, not a Merchant Bank or a Building Society, and our success is measured by trophies and honours, not on the balance sheet, the dividend, or by the excesses of the life styles of those in control. Levy has yet to earn the accolades being bestowed on him by some, let's wait and see the arrival of the success we have been starved of for so long before we sower him with them.
Frank
06/11/2017 19:52:00
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I agree with Greavesabovall. Fans have a short memory. Frank may have a more balanced input on this. Re the short memory...one only have to look at the mood swings, euphoria drawing v RM to disappointment losing to Man U, followed by another round of euphoria beating RM and critical of the way we handled Palace.

Can't dispute that the club has been on a steady rise under his tenure, but forget all his mistakes at your peril. Yes, he hit VERY LUCKY recruiting Poch...just his type of manager in every respect. Selling Walker (regardless of the circumstances) irritated many as the memories of Modric, Bale, Berbatov and Carrick resurfaced. Let's not judge him (on the football side) until some silverware has been delivered for a (presumably) very large trophy room in the new stadium.

I'd also say that with the football side, for once, on a stable footing, we are seeing Levy's business acumen in the development of the new stadium, Use of Wembley to get a larger exposure, the overall marketing, fan base improvement and the obvious wheeling and dealing in the transfer market for the best financial returns for ENIC. However, there is still the issue with unable to complete transfers in a timely manner, the need for occasionally -ve spend, i.e., speculate to accumulate. I'll also add that his reputation in the transfers impact adversely our ability to negotiate some deals. I also question the drawn out saga v Archway which delayed the stadium build....imo, paying them an additional mill or 2 will have saved us more in the long term as the cost of the stadium has escalated from the earlier projections.

In summary, we see the team doing well and the stadium rising in front of our eyes, we can brush all the past issues under the carpet. I wish my employer would give me 18 years to crack the code!..... (For Levy, whilst being the highest paid football club CEO.)
critical_spur
06/11/2017 20:02:00
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Frank, I see you posted while I was still constructing my post!
critical_spur
06/11/2017 20:04:00
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Personally I have not had that much of an issue with Levy as some on here. Yes he can bug me with his last day transfers that seem to be often panick buys and we pay over the odds, and of course sacking managers quickly, but I never really felt he was as bad as some made out.

First, I never brought in to the idea that Levy sanctioned transfers ALONE, just wouldn't happen, I am sure managers and others had a say, so when they went wrong I couldn't understand the bashing he got as if he was the only one to blame. Also transfers are difficult and can fall through and so last minute panick buys I guess are expected to make numbers up, the key is to try and not get to the last day, but with the money being thrown around in wages players hold out I am sure to see who comes in for them, and that makes it hard for our club.

I didn't like the way Jol was sacked and treated, but overall Levy has done alright with what he has got.

I think we now have a better match in Levy and Poch, mainly because och wants to develop players, it seems to be in his blood, and this works better in the financial model we have at the moment. I still think our transfer policy can improve a lot but the stadium is very impressive and in a way I feel sorry for Levy because for any mistakes he has made, he is a Spurs supporter and it must hurt being bashed the way he has unfairly at times.

I think levy will want to stay with spurs and continue to develop the club after the stadium is built and I hope he does, and getting recognition as the longest Pl chairman is wonderful, he is surviving in a very bizarre, competative business and for me he deserves credit.
It'sME
06/11/2017 20:43:00
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I agree with you Frank in that over 18 years, Levy was bound to hire someone eventually who get it right. That said, we still have not achieved anything in real terms. NO trophies, 2nd place with 86 points!!! Only Spurs could get 86 points and not win the Prem. 3rd in a season where Leicester City won the Prem. It remains to see what we do this season, but there has to be a trophy this season or there will have been no real progression. I love what Poch is doing and how he is doing it. I hope he brings in the silverware this season. I have been a Spurs fan for almost 40 years. This is the best squad I have seen at Spurs. I really thought that the Pleat team of 86 was going to be title winners and become Spurs legends. This squad have the ability to do that. Bringing back Bale would make it a certainty.
vicspur
06/11/2017 20:49:00
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Have to say that I agree with Geoff on this. Football is a business and has to be able to support itself - otherwise it becomes a playground for feckless billionaires. I don't look enviously at Chelsea or City because they are vulnerable to their owners getting bored and walking away, to be replaced by someone who doesn't have bottomless pockets, and enact a disastrous refinancing. What ENIC- Joe Lewis and Daniel Levy - have done is to create a solid financial base, enact a plan to develop that into the near, medium and long term, with the right personnel in place. It is fair enough to criticise the lack of success on the pitch, and there may well be some truth that DL was on a learning curve, but would you really want him to move on now? As far as the delay on the stadium goes, I don't think the blame can be laid solely at ENIC's door. Any planning application needed to be approved by the communist state of Haringey - whose planning committee appears to have been stuffed with Arsenal fans - who only appear to have joined the real world after the riots of 2011, and given Spurs the support that was previously absent. Daniel Levy is one of us? Absolutely he is, and if we do achieve any trophy success this season, we should be singing his name along with Poch.
Ken Dagnall
06/11/2017 20:51:00
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It's a great fallacy for me that the clubs being backed by billionaire owners are somewhat more vulnerable than others. It seems that the PL is the place to be for billionaires looking to invest in a new toy. If Roman ever was to pull out of Chelsea (unlikely in the short term), I'd imagine there are probably 2 or 3 other "Romans" just waiting to buy it off of him and run it for the next 20 years. The PL, and its global exposure, represents a tremendous platform for anyone looking to invest in the entertainment industry. With every year that passes, the argument of "Chelsea and City are owned by billionaire owners who will eventually get bored and leave the club in a mess" gets weaker. Roman has been around 13+ years, which is longer than most previous owners of CFC. The same is valid for City, whose owners have been in charge for almost 10 years. I'm not disputing that building the club up progressively is a more elegant, or less artificial, way to develop a club, but that's not to say that all other models are bound to fail. The other thing which is striking to me, in threads about Levy, is that when people praise him, the only 2 things they ever mention is financial stability, and the stadium. Nothing about the football. Which is unfortunate... for a football club.
BelgianSpur
07/11/2017 08:59:00
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BelgianSpur - The problem with your "Billionaires are great" argument is that really its not about having a rich owner, its about having the richest owner. Roman is supposed to be worth £14bn, unfortunately for him that's pocket change to City's owners. That's why the Qataris bought PSG rather than an English club, they didn't want to go head to head with the UAE. Subject to the vagaries of FFP if you are going to buy success then you want the owner with the deepest pockets. So where exactly do you get an owner with more money than an oil state ?
jod
07/11/2017 09:34:00
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jod - and the fact that Roman has less money is relevant why? He still has invested enough money to field a competitive team which has won the PL twice in the last 3 years. It doesn't look like it's holding him back too much, does it?
BelgianSpur
07/11/2017 09:58:00
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Ken Dagnall, yes, I recognise that the planning issue with the local council can be a very time consuming exercise as public and politicians get involved. However, imo, we had more or less got the green light and Archway dragged their heels the squeeze the best deal for them....who'd argue with them?. The fact that they DID move and accepted a compromise offer suggests the negotiations were akin to our transfer dealings. We may have been up and running with our stadium over 12 months ago.

Then I bet it cost between 1 and 2 mill to fight and lose the OS battle with the Spammers......a move, imo, that would've destroyed all the heritage of our club.....that was purely £££ signings spinning in the owners' heads.
Critical_Spur
07/11/2017 10:13:00
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BelgianSpur - Make your mind up, either its about spending money or it isn't. If you are saying Roman has spent less money more effectively than City's owners then so can we, in fact we have done. The "Billionaires are great" argument disappears.
jod
07/11/2017 10:18:00
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jod - It's about having a transfer kitty which is big enough to compete for the world's best players. Once you have that, whether the owner has 14 billion, 27 billion or 300 billion is irrelevant. Roman's Chelsea is rich enough to compete with any club financially. Chelsea's squad is deep and full of quality. Chelsea can compete with anyone financially, we cannot. Therein lies the big difference.
BelgianSpur
07/11/2017 10:58:00
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Well, according to a recent survey, several European clubs have paid many more times than us on their players to establish a team ... but we now have the SECOND most valuable team (current value of players on the transfer market) in Europe. Second to Manchester City. That puts us ahead of Madrid, Barca, PSG, etc. You can argue the pros and cons and turn it inside out and upside down any which way you want ... but it seems to me we've been doing a hell of a lot of things right.
Geofspurs
07/11/2017 11:54:00
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lol ... And right after my last comment there is a new article on the value of our squad!
Geofspurs
07/11/2017 12:42:00
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Critical... Archway were after 1/3 of the stadium gross development value (GDV) as any architect or developer will tell you that right of way / access for major new build is always at a massive premium, if the landowner knows of this.. This point has been made in numerous films and TV Shows over the years... The little guy holding out against the big development company. It was alleged Archway turned down the move to 500 WHL that Levy offered them, with a cash amount as well.. So all this along with the Court hearings, council planning, English Heritage, haggling, Mayor of London office involved, caused us to be 7 years behind, as the stadium plans were ready in 2007.
Block D Spurs
07/11/2017 18:11:00
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BS – We’ll just have to disagree, but it does appear that in your model all that has to happen is that the largest wages and transfer fees are paid. Developing the club and the fans are secondary. Critical – ASM made a fundamental error, they didn’t know what they wanted before they entered into negotiation. Consequently, it seems as if the family members just kept “adding zeros”, believing they were in a stronger position than they were. My hope is that their final legal bill made a significant dent in the final sale price. I wholeheartedly support DL on what he did, there was a fair price, a premium to a fair price, and then there is “extortion”.
Ken Dagnall
07/11/2017 19:45:00
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Ken - assuming that the PL is a results-driven business, which would seem to be the case given how quickly good managers are fired these days, at the end of the day, successful clubs are defined by results/trophies. One may like or dislike the harsh reality of this environment, but it's difficult to dispute it. Developing the club has to happen alongside results, but it should be a way to continue achieving good results rather than an end in itself. As for the fans, make no mistake: most will take more joy from the team lifting a trophy than the club having a new training ground. Winning is the best way to maintain and grow a fan base. As for the large fees and high salaries, again that isn't an end in itself. It is a means to attract the world's best talent, which in turn should turn the club in a perennial challenger for trophies.
BelgianSpur
08/11/2017 09:25:00
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BS .... I don't think Aston Villa, Bolton, WHU, Burnley, Everton, etc, etc, are developing as well as us. How are those clubs supposed to develop to the stage where they win trophies on a regular basis .... apart from the odd League Cup or FA Cup wins which are certainly not sustainable for them.
Geofspurs
08/11/2017 09:30:00
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Geof - what the squad is worth is a pointless exercise to me. Run down that list of clubs and look at how many have won a trophy in the last 10 years. We're the only team in the top 20 not to have done so. We are doing some things right, but clearly some things wrong too, if we have a squad that good yet nothing to show for it.
BelgianSpur
08/11/2017 09:30:00
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BS ... Spurs have arrived where they are by doing things differently because they could not compete with the 'money' clubs. You didn't answer my question. How can all of these other clubs reach the stage where they can win trophies and challenge for titles on a regular basis. What do they need to do?
Geofspurs
08/11/2017 09:50:00
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Improving the lifestyle of a multi-billionaire (Joe Lewis) Frank? How does owning a small-time, unsuccessful little club in a run down part of North London achieve that, exactly?
Hot Tottingham
08/11/2017 10:03:00
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There was a time, not so long ago, when we were a mid table club. Then we progressed to be a regular 6th/5th finishing club for a while. Now we are in the top four and challenging for the title. The other clubs who were near us when we were mid table have made no progress. What does that suggest?
Geofspurs
08/11/2017 10:04:00
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Hello HT.
Geofspurs
08/11/2017 10:05:00
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...... And yes, we are indeed a football club and not a merchant bank. However we are also a business. A very well run business at that. Which by default makes us a very well run EPL football club. All this and in spite of the lack of trophies in recent times is quite an enviable feat, in the grand scheme of things. How on earth has this happened under ENIC and in such a relatively short time scale in the full history of our club and the professional world of football? It has not been stumbled upon. Likewise, Pochettino. He was not a random pick from a hat.
Hot Tottingham
08/11/2017 10:14:00
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Hi!
Hot Tottingham
08/11/2017 10:15:00
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Yes Geof..... and I loved us as a mid-table club as much as I do right now. I loved us way back in the 70's when we were a second division club (Albeit for one season only). I'm just a fool for love. The love of THFC. Sad but undeniably true. ..... Spurs 3-1 Real Madrid! Love that scoreline!
Hot Tottingham
08/11/2017 10:21:00
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Geof -first of all, as a fan, I'd love to win "the odd FA Cup", for starters. For true football fans, winning something will always matter more than being financially sound. We can all laugh at the Portsmouths of this world, but if they are back in he PL in the next 10 years, and they have won things along the way, while in that same window we have stayed in the PL but won nothing, who is to say that their ride was worse? I would certainly swap Leicester's last 10 years (lower leagues included), for ours. That point aside, we can all point to teams who have been irresponsible and were at the other extreme of the spectrum. My opinion has never been that we should throw all caution to the wind and bankrupt the club. I just look to other clubs who seem to be run sensibly (ie Arsenal), and see that they are dedicating more of their revenues to the squad, that they are taking calculated risks on certain players, etc. As far as the overall path the club is on, it makes sense. I am just critical of the fact that it has taken far too long to progress in the right direction, and that when there have been instances which allowed for greater risks, we have been unwilling to take them. I think that of the clubs you list a few of them face very different situations (a Burnley is a small club on the up with a good manager, whereas an Aston Villa has no place being in the Championship). All of those clubs are faced with different challenges so it's hard to point to one way forward, but I'd point to financial stability, sufficient infrastructures, quality coaching and efficient recruitment as high-level indicators of on-field success. Every club (including ours) will have weaker spots in one (or several) of these dimensions, and have to adapt accordingly
BelgianSpur
08/11/2017 10:21:00
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You'd swap the Foxes last 10 years for Spurs' last 10 years?! What about Leicester City's next 10 years? LOL
Hot Tottingham
08/11/2017 10:27:00
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I also don't think the progression is as linear as you suggest. There have been false starts, and periods when the club went backwards. Presenting the situation as if we had been in constant progress is not the reality for me. As recently as 5/6 years ago, we had finished in the top 4 twice in 3 years and were strong European performers in Europe under Redknapp. We went backwards for 3 years after that, dismantling a good team, making 2 managerial mistakes in the process, and numerous recruitment errors. We are again on the up but to suggest that it has been year on year progression every season since Levy took over is just not true.
BelgianSpur
08/11/2017 10:27:00
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HT - good question. at this stage no. But hindsight will tell us in 10 years whether the 2017-2027 period was kinder to THFC or Leicester. Both scenarios are possible. We are all hoping that the new stadium is going to open a new financial era for us and give us more opportunity to compete with richer clubs. If that premise is true, the future looks good. If we are all super cynical, the possibility exists that we will just be wealthier but just as unwilling to spend and remain trophy-less. Time will tell. I hope not.
BelgianSpur
08/11/2017 10:32:00
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BS .... Portsmouth's joy for their fans did not last long and I wonder how content many of their fans, and all those other clubs, are now. The clubs I mentioned were just random, by the way but most clubs in the top two divisions could be included. We won the League Cup a few years back .... but you're not content. You want more, as do all Spurs fans. You're not going to accept that it all ends there. But for most clubs it does end there. Their supporters understand the realities of what their club can achieve and, because they are all die-hard supporters, they accept it. Arsenal supporters, who have won many trophies in previous years, are not happy simply because they see their neighbours surpassing them. All those trophies mean little to them right now .... apart fro bragging rights over us. Obviously, as you point out, it's been a matter of two steps forward and one step back for us. That's where patience comes in. You've still managed to avoid my question .... how should all those other mid-table clubs have progressed to be title contenders.
Geofspurs
08/11/2017 10:51:00
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Time will tell.
Hot Tottingham
08/11/2017 10:51:00
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What is the time?
Geofspurs
08/11/2017 11:03:00
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It's Tottenham time!
Hot Tottingham
08/11/2017 11:17:00
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Wow, now that is a good post Geofspurs 08/11/2017 10:51:00
Ossie
08/11/2017 13:22:00
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Geof - I thought I did answer your question. I said that depending on the reality of each club, their way forward would vary, but that by improving 4 key dimensions (financial stability, sufficient infrastructures, quality coaching and efficient recruitment), clubs would improve their chances of winning trophies. Beyond that general statement, we'd have to look at a specific club to discuss their way forward, but I don't believe there's a "one size fits all" rule to success. You group all clubs in the top 2 divisions together, but I would argue that there is no one rule and that every club will face its own challenges to improve. How do those clubs improve? They assess their relative strengths in those 4 areas, and prioritise the ones they want to work on, hopefully moving them closer to trophies. Some clubs have amazing facilities but a weak group of players. Others have managed to assemble good squads on the cheap, but are let down by the wrong manager, etc... The one big difference is money, which can act as an accelerator. While I recognise that 5 teams have more, and therefore have a better chance of winning things on average, there are several examples of teams who have won things despite have significantly less, so there's no reason we shouldn't be winning things more often than we are. I could accept that winning the odd LC is the end of the road if THFC was a Burnley-type club. But the club is based in London, it's got a rich history of winning, it's the 6th richest club in England and top 15 in the world,.... It has all the elements in place to, in theory, be a winning machine, yet it isn't. You admit yourself that "it's been a matter of two steps forward and one step back for us" and advocate patience. At some point, being patient becomes being accepting of failure, and I believe we have crossed that bridge. While turning around a club is no 6-month exercise, we're now 18 years into the process. If the year was 2006 and we were in the position we're in now, I'd be the first to sing Levy's praises. It has taken far too long and sooner rather than later now, questions about ENIC's ability to deliver trophies have to be asked.
BelgianSpur
08/11/2017 15:34:00
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BS ... In many ways we seem to agree. And you have answered my question very well. All those things that you say a club could do to improve itself, we have done. All the other clubs haven't. therefore, despite the wait ( during which we have been lucky to see periods of great football from some great players) we are now where we want to be. The future depends on many things, some of which are beyond the control of THFC, but looks to be an exciting time.
Geofspurs
08/11/2017 23:27:00
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Geof - Have we really don the things required, or even excelled in the 4 dimensions I listed? Beyond the obvious (and sometimes expensive) mistakes in player recruitment, I would also argue that Levy's tenure has been marred by a litany of bad coaching appointments, the current incumbent aside. Again, are we judging Levy on what we are now, or his overall tenure and how long it's taken to get there? I can't disregard the large majority of ineptitude and just focus on the combined 4 seasons or so of success.
BelgianSpur
09/11/2017 18:10:00
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BS, How has there been a "litany" of such bad coaching appointments from Levy, if we have been steadily climbing the EPL ladder rather than falling down, down, down? And, how does any chairman of any club ever know for sure, in advance, how a coach or manager will truly fair anyway, for the long term?

Levy has been heavily criticised for hiring many bad coaches/managers in his time but then is also slammed for firing them and attempting to find a better one. And yet, if they are doing well, it's somehow down to luck?!

We see coaches being fired left right and centre all over the PL, by most clubs, from top to bottom. And yet most of them are soon to be re-employed by yet another club, almost without fail. Are they all so bad at their job? Are all chairman and owners totally useless when hiring or firing them? Or, is managing, coaching, owning and chairmanning a top professional football club just not as so simple as it looks to all us armchair 'experts'? If we are at all wise in all this , it will nearly always be with a heavy dose of hindsight.

The world of PL football doesn't have the time nor patience to rely on hindsight alone. Decisions have to be made and made fast. There will be mistakes. But if there is an upward curve in the progress (as there is at THFC) then it shows that mistakes are being learned from and, that's all we can really hope for and judge, when looking back and in order to have any kind of insight into the future. And, the future of Spurs is looking a hell of a lot brighter than it did, pre-ENIC, Lewis and Levy.

Hot Tottingham
10/11/2017 10:49:00
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Yes, the clearest vision is hindsight ... but it often comes too late. The world keeps turning anyway. And Spurs keep marching on.
Geofspurs
10/11/2017 11:25:00
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Often? Should be 'always' comes too late!
Geofspurs
10/11/2017 11:55:00
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It's a dirty job and someone had to do it. Risks had to be taken. Should we have remained at WHL, with no plan for a new, improved stadium, top notch training facilities greater income and steady on the field improvement and instead, just concentrate all our efforts on building a team worthy of PL greatness and glory by investing heavily in players for short term pride and short-term gain with the temporary gratification of the odd FA cup and league cup win? (Which believe it or not can never be guaranteed). Or do we take the calculated gamble on the long term future of a football club that can be self-sufficient and sustainable (and it is ) through thick and thin without the need of the odd false dawn of a top 4 finish or odd cup win to temporarily prop it up? Merely to pander to the impatience and needs of our current support but without regard for the future support and success of THFC? If it were not in ENIC's hands to build our future then it would have needed to be by someone, anyone, sometime, eventually... And, who knows where the hell we would be now or in the near future?
Hot Tottingham
10/11/2017 12:11:00
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HT - As I said previously, we haven't been climbing up the EPL ladder in a linear, constant way. I could follow your point if it was constant improvement, with each new manager taking us one step further than the previous one. But it hasn't been that way. With 10 managers being in charge in a period of 14 years, that's a record which is up there with the worst, even by the standards of modern football, and we have gone backwards on several occasions. The last 3 seasons have offered more stability, but again should we just close our eyes on those 14 years? If it was one or 2 mistakes, you take the bad with the good. But such managerial turnover is far worse than the average, and especially for a club looking to improve. Anyways, I don't think we're going to agree on this. I see where you're coming from, I think you see where I'm coming from, it's just that you are more forgiving than I am.
BelgianSpur
10/11/2017 14:38:00
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