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Whoops Apocalypse!

Whoops Apocalypse!

Whoops Apocalypse!

As I was away for the weekend and only got back last Sunday night, I have only seen brief Match of the Day highlights, which means my post match debrief is limited.

But reading the match threads, it`s pretty clear that those of a negative bent have almost relished the event to metaphorically say "I told you so!"

Apparently, Poch is a pretender, Wembley is wank and Tottenham are Tottering. Of course, the more negative amongst us will agree with every word of that, the happy clappers will see it as a minor bump and the realists will use their commonsense and knowledge of the game in terms of set-up and tactics to consider what went wrong - the margins between a good win and disappointing draw are fine; I don`t recall seeing Sanchez being brushed off the ball and get his timing so wrong that allowed Rondon to mishit the ball and trickle the ball into the net.

If you`ve been watching us since Sanchez came in, you would have put your mortgage on him seeing Rondon off or marshalling out.

I`d lay money on the video rooms being like sweat boxes today as the analysts review the key moments of the game.

What is clear is that as manager after manager has and still do claim (including Poch now) juggling the Champions league and the Premier League isn`t as simple as we think, looking at the clubs that are in it, apart from the club who have the advantage of being owned by a Sovereign Wealth fund, all are finding it trickier than it really should be. Once again we learn that the Premier League has the capacity to hurt and surprise, the differences between everyone else and the Top 6 is not nearly as wide as it is in Europe, and it demands a price and takes a toll.

In my preview, I`d presciently said this:

" The bad news is that teams that lose their managers always have this uncanny knack of trying to prove that it wasn`t their fault the manager was sacked and often un-expectantly play above their recent form, managing to confound all the pundits and critics. It wouldn`t shock me to see them do just that; leave their recent form behind and look to their past record to inspire them for this one. West Brom`s record against us is pretty decent and the new man will no doubt remind them of that before they cross the line. I expect that their realistic ambition for this game will be a draw…."

It seems my deeply held fear has come true, even though I let my positivity get the better of me predicting that an early goal would still let us tonk them 4-0.

The result prompts a deeper look and a piece of introspection into our approach: On the matchday preview thread, 10Hoddle pointedly asked the key questions prior to the game:

"Well, WBA have two wins to their name this season and this could very well be their 3rd.
No, but really, I have little faith in how Poch mentally prepares out team for big games and against teams that are having a bad trot. Lesser teams have a habit of breaking their drought against us over the last 4 years or so.
Should be clinical 3-0 win with 65% possession.

Question is....which Spurs will turn up?.... "

Well it seems the leggy, knackered and less than impressive Tottenham did, so how now to answer 10Hoddle who asked the difficult questions; perhaps now we need to find the answers?

I think we`re suffering from four key missing ingredients now, and have been for a while; Wanyama was absolutely outstanding for us last season and he`s being badly missed. If anyone ever wondered how we`ll deal with losing Toby in the summer, I think that too is now pretty clear. Add to that missing Roses pace and tenacity down the wing and you have a less than complete Tottenham. The biggest weakness of all for me is losing Walker, he was outstanding for us in the last 2 and a half seasons, he`d eliminated errors from his game and his pace terrified defenders. Aurier clearly isn`t yet got anywhere near that level, even if I do believe that the indications are his lack of pre-season conditioning and his bulk carrying are being addressed.

Trippier is bang average, good in a back four, impossibly exposed as a wing back; he couldn`t go run past a lamp post on a good day. Those that still think that Trippier and Davies can work as wingbacks in our system of play must now wake up and smell the coffee - and that includes Poch. When both play our 'wing` play is limited and lacking genuine threat and pace, Trippier in particular almost stops our attacks stone dead which is why he does the old David Bentley trick of hitting long balls from deep, as an opposition, once you suss that out, eliminating him as a threat is relatively simple.

We`re built on a high tempo, high pushing pressuring line, /pressing possession game, where according to the Tottenham supporting intelligentsia, pace doesn`t matter. The threat of pace is over-rated, work-rate is king.

If anyone, including Poch still believes that, then they are deluding themselves, pace gets past defenders and gets behind them, pace scares defenders and forces them to play differently, it means defenders give a healthy distance away, which in turn allows your more creative players to stand off, not be pressed by two or three players and gives them ability to make passing movement swifter and with greater movement. Both Trippier and to a lessor extent Davies, negate that and allows defences to just sit back, crowd the area and choke the life out of our game. Because of it, we get reduced to shots from the edge of the area or headers in crowded positions where both require a large slice of luck to hit home.

I dread to think what our wingback play will look like when we lose Rose as well. Personally, I`d drop Trippier for Kyle Walker Peters as the alternative to Aurier faster than you can say "Spursey".

Of course none of that lets off how our playing through the middle with our creative players has become muddled, confusing the enemy with rapid movement and passing is now beginning to look like a slow-motion car crash; you can see it happening, but appear powerless to correct it.

Poch has to rethink his tactics in the light of our injuries and then limitations of our second string 'wing-backs`, he could start with play one, not both. Davies has done well whilst Rose has been having mental moments and recovering from injury. Davies isn`t Rose and never will be.

Let`s be sensible; we`ve done well up until now, but in post Champions league games or after international breaks we`ve looked leggy and bereft of the energy levels our style of play demands; I hope as we make our transfer plans concrete in the Jan window and prepare for Toby and Roses departure in the summer, (and I am 100% certain they have both been tapped up) we consider that, and make the adjustments that are looking absolutely necessary, because if we don`t, it will be Europa again next season and a 'as you were` like for like swap with our North London rivals.

Unless of course, you know better and think I`ve got this all wrong?



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Writer:Spursex
Date:Monday November 27 2017
Time: 10:20AM

Comments

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Pace is over rated IF you have the guile and/or technical ability to beat a man with skill. Eriksen isn't fast but he can get past one or 2 men easily. The problem with players like Trippier is that they have neither. A cracking cross, but if he can never get in a position to deliver it, it's a wasted attribute.
BelgianSpur
27/11/2017 10:34:00
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Pace is never overated, it terrifies defenders, which is one of the reasons why Walker is winning MOM awards and being celebrated and idolised the way he is at ManC....
spursex
27/11/2017 10:53:00
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This is nothing new. Two seasons ago we had a real problem breaking down teams that came to defend. Last season we seemed to get better but now we have regressed. We can talk about team selections all we like but the simple truth is we ought to be able to beat a team like West Brom with half our first eleven missing, we simply have no idea how to deal with these sides. Think Burnley, think of the struggle to beat Palace 1-0, West Brom is just the latest and probably not the last. Yet we can thump Real Madrid. If a team comes to take us on we have no problem, if they come to defend we do. Poch needs to sort it out.
jod
27/11/2017 11:10:00
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Wembley and our poor transfer business this summer is the main problem to me this season. I definitely agree more pace and skill in needed in this team, we know we needed more options.
Ossie
27/11/2017 11:26:00
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Pace is vital in the modern Premiership.With so many teams adapting the pack the defence & hit Spurs on the break tactic we are suffering big-time. The most free scoring teams in the division are Citeh,Chelsea & Liverpool.Why? it's simple -fast ,skillful forwards,who can break quickly & slice through defences .Spurs build up against deep defences is ponderous & goes through the middle where all the defenders are.As pointed out by Spursex ,without Rose & Walker we haven't the pace to get behind a packed defence & we don't have players with the pace,quick feet & skill of Hazard,Salah,Mane,Sane,Sterling,Jesus etc to pull central defenders apart & slip in to goalscoring positions. Frankly our forward line is not good enough or direct enough to open up a tight defence.Our recruiting policy is flawed when you look at our options up front. I'm fed up saying this every week & I'm sure you are fed up hearing it. Our best bet is the Champions League because they haven't sussed us out yet!
Greavesaboveall
27/11/2017 11:39:00
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CE can't beat anyone, he relies on space being made for him, mane, salah and sane beat players with speed and skill, spurs best player at beating players is son because he has speed and skill.
palmover
27/11/2017 11:39:00
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Agree with Spurex 100%. MP falling out with walker had nothing to do with football any fool can see Walker is in a different class to Tripier. When Mp played Tripier ahead of Walker in Semi final vs chavs i knew MP was a bad manager who would cut off his nose to spite his face. I hope MP can changes his mentality as it is holding back Spurs in terms of winning trophies.
palmover
27/11/2017 11:45:00
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Pace is absolutely important - look at Saleh and Mane at Liverpool. Unfortunately, if Eriksen is off his game we have neither pace or guile. We are missing Rose and Walker so much. Davies and Trippier are decent but they only seem to look good against teams that open the game up against us. The games against Burnley, Swansea, Bournemouth, Palace and West Brom have all formed a similar pattern and games against this type of opposition will continue to do so unless we find a way to overcome them. four goals in five games against them, eleven goals in four home games against Dortmund, Madrid, Chelsea and Liverpool. The problem is clear. Over to you Poch. Another thing, we must absolutely not sell Rose to Man U. A club at the level we are now at should not sell to a rival. Rose is on a long contract - we simply tell him that if he insists on leaving it will be to a club abroad but not to a top six rival. We have already made that mistake once with Walker.
DoncasterHotspur
27/11/2017 11:56:00
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Levy said we wouldn't sell our best players this season .What a joke that is,he should be wearing a red nose.
Greavesaboveall
27/11/2017 12:00:00
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MP needs to get over himself ,he's starting believe the hype .Yes, we beat Real,but they left huge spaces at the back.MP now thinks he's god's gift. Make up with Rose,don't sell Toby & sign some quick ,skillful forwards or you will find out where pride gets you! I'm saying this because I care about the man & I'm worried for him. Fans are notoriously fickle ,they love you one minute then kick you the next.Remember Ranieri.Where is he now!
Greavesaboveall
27/11/2017 12:07:00
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Leicester sold their midfield maestro-Kante & that cost Ranieri his job.Learn from the mistakes of others MP.
Greavesaboveall
27/11/2017 12:09:00
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Once again we show our inexperience, lack of guile and naivete in front of goal. How many more times do we have to watch the painful procedure of us pathetically attempting to unlock a packed and well organised defence. funny how teams around us can score seemingly at will against the lower teams most games, but we struggle to score even once, even then you don't see the players really celebrate because they are all too relieved that we scored rather than ecstatic, that also shows what a poor mindset our players have. We find it easy to play R M and Dortmund because they play open expansive football, leaving space that we can exploit, no spaces to exploit in a packed defence which renders us toothless. We just don't learn, we STILL can't score from corners, do we actually practice them yet? Because it sure looks like we still don't, and if we do, why haven't we improved on them since the days of AVB? We still have so much to improve on and learn, players manager, his team and of course Levy as he hasn't had this sort of potential on his hands before and he will have to learn how to deal at a higher level if the progression goes as it should. It will be a longer haul than most seem to anticipate and there will be massive blunders and failures as well as massive highs. But we just have to stick with it, man and grumble as and when, but on match day please start to give more support. Most of the time it's the opposition support that is loudest. mI live too far to be able to go, but when i was able to. in the 70s, the support was immense, even the season we went down there was more vocal support. Come on, this is WEMBLEY FFS. if you can't give throat for your team at the spiritual home of British football maybe you should question why you are there in the first place,
chrishove123
27/11/2017 12:15:00
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chrishove, I've missed very few games at Wembley ever since it was built; it is in my view one of the very worst stadiums in the world in terms of encouraging or creating sound - so much so that in recent years England intriduced the monotonous ohompa pa band and even the back seat noise slappers - it's a useless stadium, made worse for by the seat distribution of our 'core' / most vocal support from WHL, seriously whilst you can accuse the Spurs fans from not being vocal enough at times, even when they are the acoustics at Wembley are so poor you can hardly recognise what you hear on the TV sounds to what goes on in the stadium. The place should be condemned.
spursex
27/11/2017 12:35:00
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Pace up front had little to do with our defeat. There was no space to run into, our loss of a goal was the main issue. Man Utd and Arsenal both fluked I-0 nil wins. Walker now plays for a team full of super stars so his game just appears better now. But what about a small group of people at Wembley who booed at half time, this is the greatest handicap Spurs have - an entitlement to a win culture. Liverpool or Man Utd supporters would not behave like this. as Garry Neville or Jamie Carragher would confirm and go mental if it happened in similar circumstance at their home games. At worst the atmosphere would go quite. Still our moaners take to the media with their expert hind site summary (only) after every defeat. If anything persuades Pochettino to move on it will be the negative winchers Spurs are saddled with.
camper
27/11/2017 12:51:00
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Gary Neville would go mental have you seen him?? Dont think anyone would worry about Gary Neville getting angry, even if we drew against West Brom
Ossie
27/11/2017 13:06:00
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Good post, camper.
Geofspurs
27/11/2017 13:07:00
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Would someone please explain how pace is going to open up a packed defence where they are massed in their third of the field and there is no space to run into ? Essentially pace is a counter attacking weapon, it works if the other side attack first.
jod
27/11/2017 13:13:00
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camper. Walker plays for a super coach and a back four featuring Stones, Otemendi and Delph. Pep gets two games a week out of Walker and walker is the best defender they have i wouldn't swap spurs back four with cities, Kompany is coming back but is injury prone. MP has to make some adjustments to his approach as he is not getting the same number of games from his full backs as other teams. Walker did mention that Mp does a lot of volume work (physical training) whereas city do more ball work (technical training). MP has had the opportunity to make spurs more attacking but has chosen to stick to his philosophy even though it has delivered no trophies to date. Ultimately whether he likes it or not MP like all top mangers will be judged on his trophy wins.
palmover
27/11/2017 13:25:00
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Camper, it’s not hindsight. Most of us complainers predicted the performance before it happened, based upon previous games against similar opposition. If Poch cannot sort it out, and he shows no signs of being able to do so, then he may indeed have to move on. He can afford to feel comfortable with his ‘project’ but our best players cannot. They want tangible rewards for their efforts and results like those against WBA and others will indicate that they will not achieve them with us.
Harry-Kari
27/11/2017 13:44:00
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Jod is absolutely right, if teams try to beat us we are fine, but if teams are disciplined and get into their two banks of 4 and defend properly we struggle. We lack the pace, the guile, and the penetration to break them down or get in behind.. Having said that we had a total of 24 shots and only scored 1goal, why? We need some quality injection in January or in May, if we wish to be truly competitive, we have now slipped to 5th into the dreaded Europa League territory.
Frank
27/11/2017 13:58:00
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Harry-Kari I see that I have been rather careless with my spelling. If you believe Poch is not able to "sort it out" How long do you give Pochettino to improve?. Who do you suggest is a better candidate to replace our failing manager?
camper
27/11/2017 14:36:00
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But the very same teams adopted the very same tactics last season and we smashed them regularly. We became THE flat-track bullies. Our personnel hasn't changed (other than Walker and for the love of God do not suggest he is the explanation for our problems) and neither has our style - the very same style that was so successful last season. So something else is going in.
Gary Onedaysoon
27/11/2017 14:41:00
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Gary, the rest of the Premier league have worked us out, that and the loss of pace on both wings are the small things that are the difference between winning and drawing, or even losing. Going forward without Rose and Walker we are a much lessor threatening team.
spursex
27/11/2017 14:55:00
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Some good news Lamela is in contention to tomorrow night.
Gary Onedaysoon
27/11/2017 15:02:00
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spursex, last season we had our best run under Poch from around Christmas to the end of the season. We won so many of our games by 3 and 4 goal margins - sometimes more. Rose, being injured in January, played very little role in that. During the same period Tripper played nearly as many league games as Walker. So whether Walker is better than Trippier or Rose is better than Davies, The Davies/Tripper combo was plenty good enough against the lesser teams last season.
Gary Onedaysoon
27/11/2017 15:08:00
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Jod,'pace won't unlock a packed defence',are you off your trolley?Next time you watch Citeh,Pool or Chelsea ,open your eyes & see how quickly their players zip around the penalty area ,pinging lightening quick passes between them until the opposing defenders are dizzy. That's pace plus skill.That's the modern game.Keep up or go to Specsavers.
Greavesaboveall
27/11/2017 15:27:00
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Some good points. Yes I agree we miss Walker the most bizarrre decision to sell him to a rival to date at such a time when we were putting together a decent team. I think we can to a extent get away with playing either Davies or Trippier, but not both. Rose was out most of last season and Davies upped his game, but Walker kept defenders busy and we managed with davies, but to have both wing backs lack pace and ability to get past defenders isn't going to work. I am very concerned we are probably going to sell Rose as well, again to a rival club, we haven't yet replaced Walker and I dread to think who we will get in for Rose. Will Aurier come good, does he have pace, I don't know but I doubt we will see his best this season. Lets hope we see it next season, but not sure if he will replace Walkers contribution too soon.

I agree we miss Wanyama, I think he just bossed the midfield and as soon as he won it back he pushed it on, I also think we have missed Dembele good formmfrom last season as well.

I think getting Lamela back is huge, not necessarily because he is going to save us, we may not see him at his best until next season either, it will take time, but having him on the bench and available will push other players like Eriksen, Dele, Son, more competition has to be good.

I also think it's time now to decide where Dier is going to apply his trade, defence or midfield and let him fight it out and concentrate on one position and imo I am unsure which position it is because he was very good as a DM in that first season, but he has played some decent games in defence, equally his form hasn't been good at times in midfield or defence, it's inconsistent even though good enough for someone who keeps moving around, can't expect anything else, but may be its time to consolidate one position now for next season and make adjustments accordingly to the squad.

I don't think we csan blame the poor results down to our wing backs entirely, I think its more to do with changing midfield so much, due to injuries and our offensive players like Dele, Son earlier in the season, lack of form as well. Eriksen is inconsistent as well, and for me this is the problem. A out of form Dele is a huge loss, Son missed pre season and is only just starting to get his fitness and sharpness, Dele is still struggling, Eriksen is up and down, and then you look at midfield. Last season Wanyama was the consistent player in there, this season there is no consistent player, it keeps changing, Dier, Dembele, Winks, even Dele.
It'sME
27/11/2017 15:37:00
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Camper, I don’t want Poch to leave but he has to adapt his thinking to accommodate the players he has and the likely opposition tactics. If he doesn’t and similar results keep happening then probably the exodus of key players will force Levy’s hand. Poch said before the WBA game that it is always difficult to play a team when the manager has been sacked as you don’t know what tactics they will use. Well he must have been the only person in Wembley who was surprised at the Pulis with knobs on approach that WBA adopted. If we do not finish at least 3rd in the League this season, thus guaranteeing CL football at the new stadium next season there will be a crisis for him to deal with so he has to get his finger out now starting tomorrow at Leicester. Relying on winning the CL is likely to be a risky strategy.
Harry-Kari
27/11/2017 15:39:00
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Regarding the pace debate, I think SEX explained it well. City’s tactics have Walker and Delph moving into more central positions while Sterling. and Sane stay wide. Walker, Sterling and Sane all have Pace. Because of the pace defenders drop even deeper because they know that a ball over the top will take them out of the game. This leaves more room for Silva and DeBryne to operate in supported by the full backs used to win the ball or make their own runs at pace. Pace on its own isn’t a panacea. It has to be used tactically which is what Guardiola does. Unfortunately for us, only Son has any real pace. Rose doesn’t yet because he needs to lose about 2stone which is why Poch keeps sending him back to training.
Harry-Kari
27/11/2017 15:55:00
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I used to love waatching Brazil & later Barcelona leisurely pass the ball around, drawing defenders out of position,then like a striking spider, 3 lightening quick passes & they were in on goal.It does help if you have Xavi,Iniesta & Messi doing the passing.
Greavesaboveall
27/11/2017 16:10:00
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palmover - disagree re Poch and Walker. It's clear now what happened. Walker went into Poch's office a few weeks before end of season when we were fighting for the title and simply said 'he wanted to leave, his heart wasn't in it, and he had given all he had for spurs', Poch was rightly fuming because of the timing, he felt he disrespected the club, his team mates and the coaching staff, he felt he should have waited until end of season. What was Poch supposed to do with that - he stayed as calm as he could and then started to play Trippier towards the end simply had no choice, he had to look at Trippier and besides walker had alread gone to him and said his heart wasn't in it. If a player does that at that time when your fighting for the title it basically means they have been tapped up and they will be engineering a move anyway.

I think the club had dealt with it different, first they could have said 'no' you honor your contract, see if he would knuckle down, or they could have sold overseas but if the player wouldn't go overseas that basically leaves 2 choices, make him stay or sell for the highest bidder who to the club who have tapped him up. I think they chose the latter because Poch doesn't like to keep players who don't want to be there or who disrespects the team and himself, it's the right way to be in life, but of course in business it can cost you, it has in this football business, so far simply because we ahven't replaced him with anyone exceptional, and that isn't being unfair to Aurier, he hasn't shown me anything to suggest he is anyhwere near Walker, but that could change, until we give him time we will no doubt miss Walker, and we may find Aurier doesn't live up to expectations or get to Walker status, so in the short term we it has cost us.

This is why I think rose will go unless Rose himself has had a change of heart! Poch doesn't like disrespect, Rose has done that, he can't be trusted now. Think of it this way. We lost to Arsenal, can we say whether Rose is upset we lost or can we suggest in provate he is thinking, 'this is why I want out', keep my head down and 'I'm off', you cannot do what Rose did and then be fully committed unless you really do see you were wrong and regret it, I doubt this is the case. Rose knows he can do a Walker, neither of them really respect the club or the manager. The both signed deals and they do what they did. I personally have no problem them wanting to go elsewhere where they can earn more and probably win things rather than wait until this project bares fruit, but the way the both did it, the timing of walker and the way Rose behaved shows me they are not loyal, they have no respect and they are not concerned about what Poch in particular has done for their career otherwise Walker would have waited until end of season and Rose whould have aired his frustrations in private. Poch in my mind will no doubt feel '*****' upon, and that is huge. How can you work with such people! remember its a working environment and while you don't expect everyone to be pally pally you do need a certain amount of togetherness, trust, respect when your working as a team in any working environment.

Basically both have got greedy and forgot about those who got them to where they are now. neither of them were even considered England players until Poch came along and they basically stabbed him in the back. So I can understand Poch selling Walker and will understand if they sell Rose, they have created and caused this, but I do find it hard to understand why they sold to City, but may be they had no choice, may be Walker wouldn't go anywhere else anyway and so that was that. Is it the same with Rose! will he only go to utd!.

I think its an impossible situation when a player does what they have done, but I don't blame Poch. All the club can do now is try and replace them.
It'sME
27/11/2017 17:20:00
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It's unfortunate about Aurier not getting a pre season and if Rose goes I hope its summer not Jan and we can try and find a good replacement. Its not going to be easy though but its the way things are these days in football.

I just think this season is difficult but now Poch has a huge task on his hands to try and get things on tract. I doubt we will get anyone in Jan we never do, so it's a matter of hard work and re evaluate in summer, but I do think our recruitment needs sorting, too mnay players paid for that have brought nothing or very little in the last few seasons even under Poch. In the meantime, it's a matter of trying to get the players back on track, but injuries have caused us problems.

I do think Toby is gone as well, he has been tapped up I think, the difference is he hasn't behaved badly. In fact he said 'he is happy at Tottenham and with his current contract' but of course there is a stumbling block over a new one, which basically means, he isn't going to sign one if someone bigger has tapped him up when he only has couple of years or so left, that is his right. I think he will stay for as long as we want him to but unlikely to sign a new deal unless we win something this season. He could stay next season and still get a big move, but if he isn't going to sign then we may have no option to sell to be able to generate money to bring in someone to replace him. I can't see toby behaving like Walker or Rose, but lets see what happens.
It'sME
27/11/2017 17:21:00
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Fair enough Spursex. But I would regard a realist as someone who uses their knowledge and commonsense of the game and also takes account of any special factors affecting the players. Yes the pace of our wing backs is important but what is done in the final third by our creative players and strikers is even more important. If they are not fresh enough to think and use their feet quickly pace on the wings will not help all that much. The succession of really tough games with little time in between HAS taken its toll, especially when you take into account the Wembley factor clearly spelt out by BelgianSpur which also includes the possibility that the lesser teams are raising their game against us at Wembley. In these circumstances we need more rotation, particularly for Eriksen and some of our main defenders plus someone to step in for Alli when he does not produce. That means decisive activity in the January window if we are to stay in the running for the top 3 or 4.
Stan Rosenthal
27/11/2017 18:35:00
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It'sME I agree. Jose Mourino and Rose's agent will be in the heart of this. Just as Mourino tried to get Dier who is more important to us. Also previously Alex Ferguson met Pochettino and tried to persuade him to become Man Utd. manager If Danny Rose thinks he is hard done by receiving £250000 a month then let him go. and allow Pochettino to develop another star left back. It is noticeable that the Southampton players who Pochettino had did not develop further when they moved to Liverpool. Lovren. Lallana, Clyne and Lambert. Rose may be one tackle from another bad knee injury so if he is agitating for a move lets grab £50 million transfer money and sign another Davidson Sanchez type One day soon with the new stadium prestige , lucrative income and our manager we will close the gap with the Manchester clubs.
camper
27/11/2017 18:51:00
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It'sME obviously you believe MP version of events. I prefer to listen to both sides of a story before coming to conclusions mainly because human beings are liars, that said the willingness to sell and not rate Walkers value to the team is a managers decision. I think Walker wanted to leave because he felt MP didn't rate him, the fact that MP stopped Dier going to Man.u shows he has his favorites, lets hope he's backed the right horse.
palmover
27/11/2017 19:17:00
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Palmover, I called Walkers desire to leave before it had even crossed a journalists PC. I was told categorically before anything was public that he'd been tapped up and that he was from then on determined to force the move - it was only AFTER this that Poch started 'promoting' greater use of Trippier, as he was no bodies fool and it had been made abundantly clear to the club we couldn't stop it happening, unless we wanted to poison the team atmosphere.

It was this knowledge as well how much we would demand for him that allowed us to make very early approaches for Sanchez and Aurier - one was a willing seller (but only at their valuation) and the other was a very reluctant and had to be induced by paying more (around £15 mill) more than the previous end of season valuation.

Walker was simply being an arse long before we knew that a deal was done.
Spursex
27/11/2017 19:55:00
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How is going to a team that is top of the table an arse. Maybe after 3 seasons without a trophy Walker worked out that MP wasn't going to make him realise his ambitions. That said Van dyke and courtino wanted to leave, however, were told your going nowhere. why didn't MP sell dier he wanted to go to Man.u? It was MP's call to sell Walker, time will tell whether it was a good decision.I believe it was not all Walkers fault and a manager who wanted to keep the player would have.
palmover
27/11/2017 20:10:00
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Palmover, I respect your right to believe what you will, but just remember this exchange as one day in the not too distant future, the whole story will emerge - and that's when you will know that walkers behavior was completely unprofessional and beyond the pale.
Spursex
27/11/2017 20:19:00
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I think pace will help. There were occasions vs WBA where Trippier and Davies were 1 vs 1 and simply recycled the ball back into midfield. They couldn't do anything else. Rose or Walker may have attempted to dribble past that defender, which adds more variety to our play, draws players out of position and unsettles opponents. Last season, as Gary points out, Rose was injured from January and Trippier played his fair share of games, which didn't effect our strong home form.This is a new season, new stadium, with new problems. Maybe teams are focusing more on snuffing out our supply from the flanks? Easier to do against slower, less skillful "wing backs". Maybe the bigger pitch is more suitable to pacy players that the more congested WHL pitch? There could also be psychological factors at play, where smaller teams raise their game at Wembley, combined with the fact we haven't fully acclimatised to our temporary home, despite some good wins against top opposition. The one thing that is certain. We have a problem and Poch needs to do something to try and rectify it.
Guyver
27/11/2017 20:49:00
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Pace is more effective on the break vs attacking teams, but that doesn't mean it is completely ineffective vs bus parkers.
Guyver
27/11/2017 20:50:00
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Petr Cech hopes Arsenal have ‘turned the corner’ and can fight for title • Continuing positive away form shown at Burnley is key, says goalkeeper • Cech believes Arsenal can mount challenge for Premier League title SEE, THIS is a winning mentality, THEY still say they will challenge for the prem, instead of whimping out and saying it is lost. Like I said, we have a loser's mentality at Spurs and it has been that way for decades. and until we get rid of it we will never get anywhere apart from the occasional cup run, not a win but a run, and if we are lucky top four. if THEY can have a positive mental attitude and outlook, why can't we, especially as we are not horribly adrift from arsenal.
chrishove123
28/11/2017 07:56:00
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Greavesaboveall - You say its about pace then talk about passing ability, which is it ?
jod
28/11/2017 08:35:00
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Both Jod. These players don't come cheap,which is why the top clubs are the richest. It hasn't been a level playing field since Abramovich joined Chelsea.We either join this exclusive club by getting new owners or we settle for second best. You know the answer to that. ENIC won't sell.
Greavesaboveall
28/11/2017 10:10:00
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