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January Sales begin early.

January Sales begin early.



Yep, the sales have started early. The Red Scoucers have signed Van Dijk for a reputed £75 million, with earning stated as around £180,000 per week.

As I read this in The Times today, my heart sank a little. If Van Dijk can command £180k a week what would Toby's agent be demanding?

I've watched Van Dijk, good Centre Back, but another who strikes me as flaky as hell, is he really worth a World record fee for a defender?! If they have any sense, they'll also spend big on a goalkeeper too.

What of Roses demands to be 'paid what he is worth?' Now that the window approaches will he now rock the boat and start spouting off again, or is he going to knuckle down and cement his place in the English squad at the end of the season?

One signed before his near 10 month lay-off, a deal he was at the time 'delighted with', the other has held out with his agent going public about being paid what he's worth - or else...

With Alli stepping up his Spanish lessons and Dembele becoming increasingly like your prized wedding crockery - only bought out for special occasions and even then hurriedly put back under wraps incase it gets chipped, we have a need to do business.

It's clear we have some business to do and may have already lined three deals up, but the gap between the end of the season and the start of the World Cup will leave little time for slow starters as we have painfully been too many times.

There will be even less time after the World Cup before the season starts to integrate new international players, let alone returning ones.

Poch's recent plea to get our business done early is still ringing in my ears, I just hope that Levy was listening and not just stoically sitting at his desk cocking a deaf 'un as the good old London saying goes...

The questions are; who should we buy, who should we sell, who should we loan?

Of course the great unknown is what do we have to spend? Looking at recent Jan periods isn't a smart guide, my instincts and agent friends tell me they're expecting a massive month, perhaps the biggest on record, I just hope we are part of it..



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Writer:Spursex
Date:Thursday December 28 2017
Time: 10:00AM

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I think it's pretty clear we need a deep lying playmaker in the Modric mould, Dembele is now struggling to play regularly due to niggling injuries and anyway, in my opinion, doesn't actually create many goalscoring opportunities, he's very exciting to watch when he is driving forward towards the opposition box but then hardly ever shoots and generally loses the ball cheaply allowing the opponents to counter attack. I like the idea of Barkley filling this role and do believe Poch and his team can improve his game and fitness. A major benefit would be that he will be fresh for the second half of the season but may take a while to regain match fitness following his injury.

The other requirement is for a 'disruptive' advanced midfielder/winger, someone who can pull defences around to create spaces for the Dele/Erikson/Kane to exploit. We have been linked with a move for Zaha for a while, and some have suggested Mahrez as a good option. Todays press is reporting that Athletico Madrid are prepared to let Yannick Carrasco leave, could be one worth considering, isn't he Belgian? If so own fellow countrymen could be influential if we were interested.
TQ2Spurs
28/12/2017 10:56:00
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Should have added.............buy Ryan Sessegnon as long term replacement for Rose if he wants to leave.
TQ2Spurs
28/12/2017 11:20:00
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Dembele definitely does not look the player of the last 2 seasons. Looks to be a yard behind the pace, hopefully he will get the match sharpness back in the second half of the season. Lloris, capable of stunning reaction saves and of stunning reaction howlers at the moment. Perhaps needs some pressure as has become too comfortable, but bear in mind he was behind the best defence for the last 2 seasons. Clearly we are missing Toby. Sanchez has been awesome but Verts has been on another level this season for me, he has been outstanding. We are also missing Wanyama, I hope he is back and 100% ready to go soon. The Trippier/Aurier saga is still ongoing. Trippier was providing assists last season, his crossing seems to have deserted him in many games this season. Aurier has all the tools and sometimes acts like a tool. He seems always 1 slide tackle away from a yellow. Dele has kept his head down in the last few days and seems to be playing better, good for him. He is the perfect partner behind Kane and maybe Poch should shield him a bit more until he is got that spark back. When he is on a high, he is superb. When things are not goung his way, he gets frustrated and we know what happens. That is experience and he will learn. Son is a suer player. He deserves more praise. I said a long time ago that unless Lamela turns into Ronaldo, I can't see how he gets ahead of Son. Eriksen, quiet, goes about his game with no fuss. Technically, our best player but he has lost the ability to score from a free kick. What happened? Good to see Rose back and bombing down the left, we have missed that. If he stays, I'm happy. If he goes, we need someone who can do the same. Kane?? what is there to say, name the new stadium after him! I don't especially see the need to get rid of anyone in January. If we are bringing in, they need to be better than what we have. Ross Barkley is a no brainer as the cost will be low. If we can get Ryan Sessegnon form Fulham, we should do the deal and loan him back if we have to. If Moussa Dembele is leaving Celtic for 18m, could be a good deal if Janssen is to be sold. The position that stands out for me is midfield. We need a midfield general, box to box dynamo to replace Dembele. Kondogbia has been mentioned, I also think Savic from Lazio would be an awesome signing. The chance to sign Isco or any young Madrid player has gone but what about Modric. He is still as good and could be an inspired move for a season and who better for Harry Winks to learn from? I cannot see Bale happening. As much as I would love him to come back, his injury record for one and his wages are beyond us. So my wish list would be Sess, Barkley, Savic, Dembele. Those are my observations of this season. Happy New Year everyone.
vicspur
28/12/2017 11:36:00
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If there is one deal that i believe will help spurs in the jan window it's Marhez. Spurs are crying out for another wide attacker and Marhez ticks a lot of boxes. I think spurs have enough options in midfield, and doubt Barkley would make a significant impact now, however, worth a gamble like wise sessegon, however, they can come in the summer.
palmover
28/12/2017 11:49:00
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The trouble is everyone is talking about buying players who will make an instant impact, its not what we normally do. We buy for the long term, players who will get better over time. We also try not to throw money away. £75m for Van Dijk ? I'd argue Sanchez is a better player already and he's definitely one we signed for the future. There's also the problem of blocking players. If Poch thinks Winks can become the next Modric the last thing you want is to bring in someone who will stop him playing and getting the experience he needs. The one clear problem we have is the same one we've had for the past few seasons, no back up for Harry Kane. Janssen didn't work, Llorente doesn't look like he's working, a bad injury or burn out for Kane and we are in trouble. No doubt there will be lots of talk about wingers. We keep signing them, they keep failing. Yes it would be nice to have more pace in the squad but I'd rather we brought in a quick striker or another player like Son. It looks like Barclay will be arriving at some point. Personally I don't rate him but Poch clearly does and its his judgement that counts. We'll see how he works out.
jod
28/12/2017 11:58:00
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A bit off topic but I cannot help but wonder why Alan Shearer continues to proffer that HK can go to RM or PSG or Barca. A gentleman who spent his career at Newcastle (after spending his formative years at Southampton and Blackburn Robers), you would think would be encouraging our home grown players to show loyalty (once the pay is certainly improved) to their club. Come on Alan support your league and country. (No disrespect to the man meant).
jvd
28/12/2017 12:14:00
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jvd - What Shearer actually said was that they would inevitably try and sign him but he wouldn't necessarily want to go.
jod
28/12/2017 12:17:00
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Mahrez? When he's good, he's very, very good. When he is bad, he doesn't really bother to turn up and play that well at all for almost an entire season. (2016-17). - We (Spurs 'supporters') slag our existing star players off for supposedly not caring or bothering to turn-up or make the required effort in just a handful or less matches... if they have dared to show just a slight dip in form or even just make the odd misplaced pass or two and, that's in a winning game. (Hugo, Kane, Eriksen, Dele, Dier, Rose, Son and yes, (even Walker, once upon a time), and the rest, frequently get it in the neck.... Mahrez wouldn't last the course for very long before he realises that THFC means graft, hard work, closing down, more hard work and ALWAYS putting in a shift and, for much more than just a single season or for the odd moments of magic. Ask the 21 year-old Dele Alli. Ask Kane (In August) or if he fails to score for 3 or 4 matches on the trot. Mahrez is a sly but essentially lazy Fox and will never make it as an all-action, never-say-die, fighting Cockerel. Not on Pochettino's shift, anyway.
Hot Tottingham
28/12/2017 12:23:00
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Mahrez is good but imo, not good enough for Spurs. - Again, who does he replace in our 1st team? Mind you, he probably wouldn't mind sitting on the bench to play the odd 5 minutes in place of Son or Lamela, for over a hundred grand a week.
Hot Tottingham
28/12/2017 12:30:00
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Barkley? Being crocked on top of being unfit on top of playing for Poch? Get him in on the 1st of January 2018 and he should be about ready for action in the January after the next one, after this one coming.
Hot Tottingham
28/12/2017 12:49:00
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Liverpool can spend all the money they like on defenders..... Hell, why not sell 'em Rose for 85 million! I think the ongoing problem they have in defence is more a tactical one than anything else.
Hot Tottingham
28/12/2017 13:09:00
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Hot Tottingham
28/12/2017 12:23:00

A man that understands how we play, what we expect and who and who won't likely fit in it - Mahrez does have skills, but ask any leicester fan and if you ask how good he is, they'll tell you it depends on what day of the week it is, whether he's had his weetabix and if he fancies trying, which isn't always as often as you'd think ...in short, a great post Tottingham :-)
Spursex
28/12/2017 13:20:00
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Spursex. Thank you. .....I would however like to apologise for my drunken sarcasm and foul language on the Saints thread, Boxing-day, night. I had had a hell of a lot of alcohol that day right through to night and it was all a bit embarrassing I'm afraid... It was all intended to be in good humour but probably didn't come across as such. So, sorry to all and anyone that may have been offended. - Happy New Year to everyone.
Hot Tottingham
28/12/2017 13:42:00
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Maybe we should think about bringing Mahrez in to cover August. He only has to work hard for four weeks and then he can do what he likes. Mind you, I think our current lad will be focused on breaking his own records and will start next season in a blaze of glory! Since his first goal in a Spurs shirt he has become the idol of the 'football gods' and can do no wrong. Quite nice, really!
Geofspurs
28/12/2017 14:07:00
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Defies belief that Liverpool are paying 75m for VVD. The money has gone crazy and all it is doing is creating a bigger gap between the elite clubs and the rest. Football cannot go on like this. We will end up losing the whole foundation of football in this country because of it, the lower leagues, the smaller clubs. Its not good for the game. There needs to be something in the deal whereby a percentage of all transfer fees filter down into the lower leagues.
vicspur
28/12/2017 14:35:00
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vicspur. It is crazy. But what is just as crazy is when so many Tottenham supporters insist that we should or indeed could currently be much closer to competing with the top paying clubs at that extraordinary level of finance. ... Just 2 1/2 years ago, Toby cost us a mere £11.4m. And, Dele Alli (3 years ago) was just a paltry £5m. And yet Levy is considered by many a Spurs fan to be particularly inept at the transfer game. I beg to differ.
Hot Tottingham
28/12/2017 15:20:00
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That's all fair enough HT. Transfer fees are one thing, but the eye watering wages that accompany it are another and that should be every Spurs fan's concern. Great to have found all these gems at such paltry sums, but to be able to retain them for the lure of mega bucks is another. How many of our current players will be looking at it like Rose and wanting the so called going rate of remuneration?. Our success rate on finding more el cheapo blokeys is not great since those early purchases. It's how we retain the current crop and supplement at an affordable rate. Levy will have his work cut out.
Critical_Spur
28/12/2017 17:13:00
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Would Moussa Dembele of Celtic be a good sub for Kane? He's young ,brave,fast & direct.Poch would make him even better. I like Zaha too. What a dynamic pair to have on the bench.
Greavesaboveall
28/12/2017 17:15:00
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Levy and Poch must be on the same page of transfers in and out. So I would say that there shouid be no surprise buys in the last days of a TW. (VDV was an exception) Usually they do not work out for us, and cost mega ?m's for THFC bank accounts. Dealing with players transfers.. Levy is a skilled operator, as we have seen many times. So in Daniel we have to trust.. with a guiding hand (read player req. list) from Poch.
Block D Spurs
28/12/2017 18:52:00
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The fact that janssen and seemingly Llorente dont look like Spurs types begs the quesion as to whether we just opt for players with speed and mobility to cover Kane. Son is still probably Pochs preferred pick of HK didnt start a big game, with Lamela taking his slot. Should we therefore look to someone like Zaha, who I still believe Poch could develop into a more central striker given time, whilst also offering a serious option alongside Kane
oxfordspur
28/12/2017 19:52:00
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Man Utd apparently going after Dybala, but he'll cost well over £100m surely and I doubt Juve will sell in January.
Guyver
29/12/2017 02:28:00
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Although if they did sell in January, it wouldn't hurt our CL chances.. Someone mentioned Carrasco. Ticks a lot of boxes for us. A bit inconsistent, but so was Son (until this season so far). 24 years old, from Belgium. Just shy of 6 foot, can play on either wing. Very similar to Son actually. The only problem, other than the competition for his signature, is that he isn't homegrown and we're already struggling to include Lamela in our CL squad. But I suppose Sissoko and GNK are expendable..
Guyver
29/12/2017 02:39:00
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Guyver ... Son has performed well when he has had consistent playing time .... like most good players do.
Geofspurs
29/12/2017 03:13:00
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CS, if a player is worth more at one club than another it's because that club can afford it. It really is that simple. If Harry was scoring for fun at Millwall right now, he'd be earning much less still. It's the way it is. There are people that do the same job as myself and earn more. Others at other organisations that earn far less. It makes a fairly noticeable difference at my level of paltry earnings but, let's get real here. The difference between a 120 grand a week and let's say 170 grand ain't gonna make a huge difference to any man's everyday lifestyle or future wealth and happiness. Or help him to enjoy his football so much more. And after UK tax it really isn't a vast difference in real terms anyway. And, top players like Harry also make a mint outside of the club with their numerous sponsorship deals, advertising and all their other numerous commercial interests.

Is it all about the extra money of a weekly wage anyway or, even more so about winners medals and the probable higher achievement levels of on field success, if they get the move to a "bigger" club? And in turn bigger and better sponsorships etc?

You talk of the going rate for players, CS... Well, there is no standard going rate. Messi apparently earns in excess of £500,000 a week net. Aguero earns £220,000 and Bony when at City was earning less than half of that and also less than Harry. Vardy earns £110,000, Salah £120,000, Morata £100,000. Harry Kane is reportedly on around £120,000 a week. Neymar earns a ridiculous sum that exceeds £500,000 and dear old Wayne Rooney is apparently on a handsome £300,000 or so a week.

If Harry were to get so pi$$ed off at Levy's idea of his worth at THFC and to spite him left for the Arsenal? Well, their highest earners Ozil and Sanchez are only £20,000 a week better off. Both being on a £140,000. Not worth it really, is it. Not from the hatred he would receive

So, for Harry to be on a par with this years closest goalscoring rivals Messi and Ronaldo, then the going rate for those dudes is well over thrice his current earnings!

We're damn lucky to have Harry as one of our own but let's face it... He's also lucky to actually still BE one of our own and not now playing for the likes of Millwall and, for relative peanuts.

Hot Tottingham
29/12/2017 03:39:00
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Geofspurs, Son played well over 2000 minutes in the EPL alone last season, with Lamela injured. He played really well at times, but couldn't sustainhis form imo. This season, he's had one or two games below par, as you'd expect, but for the most part he's performed to the best of his abilities. Despite his obvious improvement, MP treats him the same, ie subs him off 1st, doesn't start him in all games ect.
Guyver
29/12/2017 03:50:00
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Morata must be one of Chelseas lower first team earners!
Guyver
29/12/2017 03:55:00
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I chose Morata because he is now their main striker and top scorer. But not their top earner.
Hot Tottingham
29/12/2017 04:01:00
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...And Spurs success rate with our current players is extremely good given how much any one of them originally cost. Comparative that is to the sums our rivals have paid for players that are no better or at least on a par. Sanchez is now easily looking like the bargain CB of the year and as for Hugo, Eriksen, Son, Wanyama, Dembele, Dier, as well as Dele and Toby blah blah. These guys were all bargains. Ironic isn't it that when we were not doing so well, that Jan Hugo and Eriksen etc, would definitely be leaving us for greater wealth and success. But they didn't! And now we are doing so much better and their earning much more at THFC than when they arrived, they will now also be definitely... definitely all be leaving for greater wealth and....... We can't win it seems. Unless we win something. Anything!
Hot Tottingham
29/12/2017 04:19:00
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Off topic but does anyone know or understand why we have no game this weekend and then have to play twice in 48 hours followed by the cup game 72 hours later? Can't surely be for live TV only in midweek? If so then it is totally bonkers!
TQ2Spurs
29/12/2017 10:29:00
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TQ2Spurs, the West Ham game was originally scheduled for Sunday, 31st December but Wembley would only allow a capacity of 43,000 for safety reasons (transport issues etc.). So it was moved to the 4th January as this was the only date that it could be fitted in.
Gary Onedaysoon
29/12/2017 11:21:00
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Thanks Gary, just been going through the archives and found the same information. I understand the limitation imposed which was due to tube staff being needed in other areas for the new years eve crowds. I noted there is no early game scheduled for the previous day (Saturday 30th) so why could they not have allocated that spot for it?
TQ2Spurs
29/12/2017 11:39:00
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Sorry. Of course Rooney was on £300.000 pw at United. Apparently he is supposed to have taken a pay cut to join Everton and is on about half the wage he was. The poor lad must now be considered officially skint!
Hot Tottingham
29/12/2017 13:58:00
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One thing to admire about the Van Dyke deal is the speed with which it has been done. Liverpool knew what and who they wanted, agree ond the fee and terms, did the deal ready for finalising on 1/1/18. Surely this is the way, rather than wait until the last few days of the window, waiting for the "sales" to open as some do, as we Spurs supporters know only too well.
Frank
29/12/2017 19:20:00
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I think that Zaha would be a good signing. I would of said that CP would sell him for around £40-50m, but with the VVD (£40m overpriced) signing I think they'll be looking for a minimum of £70m for him, which would be way too much unless we make some sales ourselves (Sissoko, GK, Janssen). In terms of a playmaker, I can only think of Modric who would significantly improve us. I think we'll get Barkley, but I have my doubts about him in terms of his decision making. He has a bit of class in terms of his technique and ability, he also has an eye for goal which is very good, but he's quite rash especially in the tackle. He may give us some extra drive and pace in midfield, but he's not a playmaker (or CM) and would be (I think) yet another AM that we need to squeeze into the team. We need someone who can read the game in an attacking sense, keep a cool head and make those 50 yard accurate passes and eye of a needle passes through packed defences, which isn't going to come cheap. I think that we also need to move on from Dembele in CM midfield, as we all know he's strong and easy on the eye as he glides past opposition players with consummate ease, but when he gets into an attacking position he usually goes sideways or backwards, and his injuries are also a concern. He strikes me as a player who hasn't fulfilled his potential. I certainly think we'll sign someone in January, hopefully its Barkley and he proves me wrong :-) I don't think CP will be letting Zaha go in Jan as he's so important to them.
Fanman
29/12/2017 23:29:00
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We've looked below expectation in a few areas in our slump periods. Obviously Toby's injury was going to hurt but i just don't feel that Eric stepped up well enough to be considered first team cover here. Too many errors. Especially while marking on set pieces. It's a shame because the dream versatility of him playing in both positions has gone for me now and i think we need to buy another centre back if Foyth and Vickers are not ready. With wanyama fit I'm no longer sure of Eric's place in the strongest 11. But i do think he's a personality in the dressing room and a sure thing for the World Cup. I have no suggestions here. - another Sanchez please. In big games the central midfield and domination of games has been an issue for me. All on here seem to agree that dembele is not on the pace too often. I agree and lament this as he's been such an amazing player on occasion. Sissoko has not looked of the necessary quality so far and winks is not Modric yet. I wonder if winks should be groomed to cover eriksen given his build and great touch. So a central midfielder to boss games and chip in with arriving in the box goals please. I'm not sure if that is Ross Barclay or not. I would trust MP if he thought so. While i see issues this season at right back i can't see any personnel changes in January. Unlocking stubborn defenses has also been an issue at times this season. So a player who can find a way through would be of value. From what I've seen Zaha is that player on his day. But he'll be expensive. Currasco is also that player interns of ability. What an exciting signing that would be for us. I agree that Son is our most likely cover for HK. unless the board are planning to increase the first team contracts then a left back to replace rose now so they are well bedded in by next season seems like a good idea. I've not seen enough of Sessegnon to know. Of these most urgent is the centre back in my opinion.
startinggun
30/12/2017 02:38:00
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Frank - Liverpool paid £75m for a defender. You can always do a deal if you are prepared to pay whatever the selling club asks for. I assume if it was your money your ideas on what constituted good business would be a little different.
jod
30/12/2017 10:39:00
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If Janssen is to be sold this January TW then it would have to be to Fenerbahce. So, if the rumours are true that we may be recalling him early from Turkey then it could only be that it's because we want him back as cover. As, a player cannot play for more than 2 clubs in one season. I think it would be a good move if this is true. As we could do with some cover for Llorente, if Llorente has to cover for Kane at any stage...

As for Liverpool getting the early deal done and dusted for their shiny new CB? Well, for that kind of money, I doubt that the Saints were gonna haggle for more once Liverpool had agreed on the fee asked. And Liverpool are obviously quite desperate to patch their ever-so-leaky defence. Southampton will now of course need to replace him or use at least use that money wisely. But for the ridiculous money they have received for him that has to be an offer they simply couldn't refuse. It seems that for the fee paid, even City and Chelsea would not have wanted to fork out that much for him.

Chelsea themselves were initially haggling over the (mere) 30 odd million they had to fork out for Rudiger in the summer.

If (as many THFC fans believe) Toby is worth that or more at his age (4 years Rudigers senior), then surely THFC would be foolish not to sell if they could get it. But, to be fair, Toby hasn't said anything about leaving has he? And anyway, who would be prepared to pay as much as say £35-50m or more, let alone anything near the Van Dijk fee?

If anything, it suggests to me that other top defenders (and especially ones rated higher than Van Dijk) would now be less likely to be sold this TW rather than the opposite.

Hot Tottingham
30/12/2017 14:02:00
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Just a thought but, the Saints could now afford to pay THFC a handsome £50m to get Toby back as VVD's replacement and still have change left over for 5 Dele Allis! We can then put in a sneaky £45m bid for Zaha and have change of our own for another Dele! Saints get the man they wanted to buy just 2 1/2 seasons ago and Spurs make a huge £39m profit into the bargain. Sounds crazy I know but hey, Liverpool have just gone 1-0 down to the Foxes with the most expensive CB of all time sitting in the stands. Haha!.......... Klopp has had 2 years to sort out his defence. Van Dijk will not solve this problem alone. A change of manager might just be needed for that...... Or perhaps their own Alderwiereld plus Sanchez + Rose + Aurier + Jan + Hugo + Poch!
Hot Tottingham
30/12/2017 15:23:00
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Lovern went and failld, bigger club bigger expecting, no pressure at Southampton, can van handle the pressure time will tell,
123spurs
30/12/2017 18:53:00
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What's Jose excuse this time a big club big spending power over 3 mid table teams and 3 draws.
123spurs
30/12/2017 20:05:00
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Man Utd are having a bad spell, will be interesting to see if Jose can recover the players confidence, because he has good players there who are playing awful, like Mkhitaryan.
Guyver
30/12/2017 20:19:00
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I see we are supposed to be interested in Malcom, Malcolm who, Muggeridge, Sargeant, X, or is this another case where it is "thank God for Google" so we can find out who he is. Why do these Brazilians have to travel incognito, only using a christian name, are they all bloody tax evaders.
Frank
31/12/2017 11:34:00
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The only reason to recall Jannson would be if we were worried Kanemight miss a penalty. Leave him where he is for Christ's sake until summer, then get rid, if indeed we could find somebody daft enough to buy him. Then put it down to experience, and add his name to the ever lengthening portfolio of failed Spurs striker signings over recent years because there sure is enough of them to keep him company, going right back to Rebrov and Postiga and beyond, with only klinsman as the saving grace. Never mind, no doubt we will keep going until we get one right.
Frank
31/12/2017 11:45:00
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Frank .... Keane, Defoe, Berbatov, Sheringham, Kane, Son .... not too many clubs can boast such a stirke-force over the past decade or so. All teams have successes and failures.
Geofspurs
31/12/2017 12:09:00
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Frank...........how can you offer the VVD deal as an example of how to do deals quickly, didn't the bindippers spend the whole of the summer transfer window trying to do a deal for him?
TQ2Spurs
31/12/2017 14:34:00
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To be fair, if they weren't caught tapping up VVD they'd have probably signed him in the summer.
Guyver
31/12/2017 14:46:00
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I look at what we can sell in January/Summer before I look t what we are likely to buy because this is how we have been operating in the last few windows. My guess is that Poch may well want to say good bye to Sissoko in the summer and if he keeps playing and gets to the Wc and plays well for France then I expect Levy to want 30m for him and expect him to get it.

I would see janssen career over with us and expect him to go and levy would command at least 15-20m and probably would get it.

Although I think Poch likes Llorente I would suggest if he doesn't get much playing time he himself may say 'boss I want to leave in summer because of my age' if that happens expect 10m but he may well stay another season to experience the new stadium, so difficult to say with him.

So if Janssen and Sissoko go expect 45m available. Now we speculate with Rose. Does he still feel he wants more than we can offer him and therefore look to move? If he does and then we will get 50m so that takes us to 95m possible 105m if Llorente goes.

Now it is said GK is liked by Poch but will Poch feel its time to let him move on? If he does then expect another 10m, so we are looking at 105-110m guaranteed in summer. May be there will be a couple of younsters sold for a nonimal fee as well.

So lets say we have on average 100m we will have to replace Rose and if we let Llorente go that increases but with janssen going in that figure as well then we need a striker.

So for me as it stands, Sessen from Fulham and someone like Dembele from Celtic would be a good addition if they want to come and try their luck. I expect those tow we could get for about 80m, I don't beleive either will be cheap.

I would exepect the other 20-30m will cover Barkley, no brainer imo if he wants to come and we can settle on wages.

However, non of these players will be easy to get. I see no reason why we cannot get Barkely if he wants to come because he is free to talk to us. I think he would be mad going to Chelsea because first and foremost I am not sure he will get first team games, but more importantly they may well be changing their manager soon. Cannot see Conte is that happy in England or at Chelsea, there has already been rumours about his relationship with the board. So why go to a club just for money but so much uncertainty. At least now we are stable as we can be under Poch and have the new stadium and Poch improves players and likes English players, if was Barkley I would want to go to Tottenham.

Problem with getting Dembele is first is he confident enough to try his luck at a big club, I mean he went to Celtic after Fulham, starnge move in a way, but may be sensible if he sees his progression slowly developed rather than sitting on the bench at a bigger club, and may be this is the second problem, he may feel he want get enough chances with us with kane being so good.

Sesson is another difficult one because he is s young and has played a lot of games and may feel he wants to be playing regular, can we offer him that at this stage? Plus if he is as good as some suggest is the glory of a top club going to pull him out of our reach! having said that it is rumoured his family want him to stay South so that leaves us, Chelsea and Arsenal, or will he be another who feels a lesser club is a better option at this time for his development where he will get more football. Like Palace if they stay up, just like Zaha did, committed himself to a lesser club knowing he was going to play regular and be a star in a smaller environment.

Now I think the most important thing is to try and sort out contracts with our best players. I think the immediate one is Toby, can we tie him down? If we cannot then we need to start looking at a replacement which isn't going to be easy. Also Lamela, are we going to gamebke and tie him down after so many injuries? The situation with Rose is unknown, I have included him in the potentials sales and I also think we need to look at another CB if we are going to play three at the back. Does that mean Vickers coming back and staying and competiting or does it mean we let him go and look for another up and coming CB like Foyth, although I would like to see a experienced CB arrive to rotate with Verts and Toby and notrely on Dier, I prefer him now to have a settled position in midfield and let him fight it out with the midfielders.
It'sME
31/12/2017 15:19:00
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Oh I would love to see us do the business in January eve if it means them not arriving until summer. I really want us to be focused and prepared after the WC and not waiting for arrivals three weeks after the season starts, because quite frankly it is costing us and its costs us more in a WC year.

So if we can get our signings done in January it would make me very happy, and then use the summer time to get everything settled in the stadium. simple - come on Levy, Poch lets do it.
It'sME
31/12/2017 15:21:00
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Frank, don't worry, we will be doing our business early this January....Poch preferred it as such. So expect the early bargains to be loanees' recall! ... followed by I am happy with the squad.
critical_spur
31/12/2017 15:22:00
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Shame Palace missed their penalty...but well done to them for ending City's record winning streak....though the title still looks to be heading to the Etihad.
critical_spur
31/12/2017 15:25:00
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By the way folks - I would bet my life on Rose NOT being sold in January simply because it doesn't make sense for him or us.

It is reported he wants to go to Utd, no real mention of City or any overseas club. So lets think about this logically. City are going to win the title unless something silly happens, so Utd are not going to win the title this season. Utd are struggling, no better than us at the moment, will they win silverwear! Can they give Rose silverwear this season, any more than we can! The real factor is if he went to Utd he cannot play CL football with them, he is tied because he played for us. So no title at utd and no CL football so he has just as much chance winning a meaningful trophy with us, as he would with Utd this season simply because the title is over imo. So unless he wants to go to City then there is no point in him moving. At least with us he has the chance of playing CL and you never know we could win it, but at Utd he cannot play CL therefore he cannot win it. Plus he is just getting back to fitness, would it be wise to swap clubs now in a WC year which he surely is trying to fight his way into Southgates squad.

For me if Rose does wanbt to leave it's likely to be summer not january as it doesn't makes sense to him or us.

It could all change as well in summer. What if we have a good second half of the season and finish 2nd, and/or win the FA cup or CL would he want to leave then, or would he reconsider and think, I've won something here and we are close and now we have a new stadium. You never know.

For me Rose is staying in Jan I really think it's the most sensible thing all round and then we see in summer, see how we fair second half of the season and see how he feels in summer. I wouldn't bet him staying long term, signing a new contract, anything is possible in football,
It'sME
31/12/2017 15:53:00
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I see gossip on web like newsnow etc are full of crap, the stories are laughable. Trying to get us to beleive kane going to Rm for Bale. Now why on earth would we get a injury prone bale at his age in return of a yonger goal scoring machine - madness.

Zaha is going nowhere, he said in interview he is not moving January - case closed.

I have decided not to embark on all this gossip this window, its too exhausting and stupid. will be checking in with the official website for announcements, anything else is not going to get my interest. If we announce anything solid then I may come and give my opinions, but not wasting my time and energy this window on speculation, its getting more silly each window and its not enjoyable any more.

So for now, have a good NYE and Happy New Year to you all - may see you in 2018. COYS
It'sME
31/12/2017 17:16:00
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I'd say players at united don't like he's system, I'd takes punt on mkhytaryan, he ain't a bad player, let see how city do with a few injuries and palace showed their human after all, it's all how i set up against them.
123spurs
31/12/2017 18:47:00
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It'sMe, the way I see it, there is no way we are spending anything like 30 mill on someone like Malcolm, unless either Levy has had a wake up call (unlikely) or we are shifting ONE or a FEW to fund it. So, I wouldn't write off Rose moving on, whether it's United or another northern club (Liverpool?). Sure he has looked a lot happier of late, but could that be that he's been given the nod for his move?. Like he said, he will make sure he earns what he's worth, so trophies from the off might not be the lure. As someone said, Jannsen can't be recalled to sell to another club as the loan agreement (I think) includes the option to buy, so Fenerbahce will have the 1st refusal. Other fringe players may be offloaded, CCV, Onomah? We'll soon find out.
critical_spur
31/12/2017 21:32:00
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Have we signed anyone yet? :-) Happy New Year to one and all!
TQ2Spurs
01/01/2018 00:30:00
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To be fair frank, VVD was tapped up in August ... it was not a quick deal it has been going on for 4 months ... Re Barkley .... He would be good for us only 23, all due respects to Everton the quality of their team is not on a par with us, their manager is not in the same ranks as MP, if MP gets him, he will get the best out of him.... Dembele will show Barkley exactly how to play ... lets offer Sissoko as a straight swap ... if we mess around Barkley will be gone ... we could do with him ....
E17YID
01/01/2018 04:06:00
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The next best thing to Spurs winning is Arsenal not winning. And when it's down to a dubious penalty decision, especially given some of the late dubious decisions given in their favour over the last couple of years, it's all the sweeter.
Gary Onedaysoon
01/01/2018 07:10:00
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To say big sam is not in the same ranks as MP is questionable.
palmover
01/01/2018 10:10:00
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Happy New Year to everyone, 2018 first year in our fantastic new Stadium, can't wait to see it completed. It's going to be a Fortress!! COYSS!!!!!!!
Thats Entertainment
01/01/2018 10:16:00
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I will clearly state, Sam Alladyce is no where near the standards of MP, in charge of all his teams he didn't do much bar keeping them up, Bolton did well ... he's fallen on his feet currently, but he will never be as good as MP ... it's been proven ... if he was indeed as good why has he never been in charge of a top 6 team ... not the Newcastle's or West Ham's etc ... still let's hope he sanctions the sale of Barkley ASAP.
E17YID
01/01/2018 10:45:00
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I'll say one thing for Sam. He's the greatest England manager there's been since Sir Alf. 100% win rate is not to be sniffed at.

I wouldn't have wanted him to come out of retirement to be the Spurs manager though.

Everton may be doing well at the moment but will it last? Will he even manage to stay there beyond this season?

Hot Tottingham
01/01/2018 11:04:00
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Personally, I have no idea if the likes of Dembele, Sessegnon, Barkley or Zaha etc, are the right players for Spurs. If we are interested at all in any of them and if they indeed fancied a step up to Spurs in the 1st place. ... I do know that Barkley is back in training and I wish him well, whatever he choses to do. However, the best news for me right now is that Wanyama is back in full training and available for selection.
Hot Tottingham
01/01/2018 11:21:00
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Then again, if Big Sam can help his team get a result against Man U today, he'll be in my good books. And, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Burnley take a point or three from Liverpool. That would be nice.
Hot Tottingham
01/01/2018 11:42:00
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Poch seems to have clarified our January window activity by saying that we fans should trust Levy regarding Toby's contract and that Levy is doing a fantastic job. So at least MP will not be going anywhere unless it is to the shop that sells brown nose remover.
Harry-Kari
01/01/2018 14:35:00
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Harry, I fail to see how those comments have anything to do with the January transfer window. These comments made by MP however (http://www.spurs.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7523923) made 2-3 weeks ago, are more about the January transfer window.
Guyver
01/01/2018 15:45:00
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Guyver, sorry but that link just seems to take me back to the basic VS site. It doesn’t seem to pick up the article detail. Anyway, for me the comments Poch made re: trusting Levy and fantastic job just signals our business as usual in the January window ie: nothing of immediate benefit to squad depth or variety. Poch often refers to “the project” and how it will not come to fruition for another few seasons, so I guess it’s silly to expect anything different at the moment. We shall see but we have been here before, on the cusp of something good only to fail due to the lack of 2 or 3 players. Looking at the table tonight it looks to me that to make a top 4 finish we are going to have to beat the clubs above us in the second half of the season, with City, Chelsea and Liverpool all looking strong and unlikely to drop too many points to lower opposition. This is a big task given our records at the Bridge and Anfield and playing our home games at Wembley. Our squad could do with some fresh blood now.
Harry-Kari
01/01/2018 20:39:00
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Try these
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/12/08/tottenham-need-learn-past-lessons-start-transfer-business-early/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-transfers-mauricio-pochettino-wants-5577819

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/tottenham-spurs-transfer-news-mauricio-pochettino-daniel-levy-dele-alli-a8100031.html
Guyver
01/01/2018 23:31:00
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harry, what exactly are your expectations for MP and Spurs? You don't ever seem to be satisfied. Do you expect us to be regular title challengers, despite spending significantly less that 5 other teams?
Guyver
01/01/2018 23:36:00
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Man. u spent 75m on lukaku is he better than Kane? Man.u spent 90m on Pogba is he better than Ali? Look at the quality of players at spurs verts, toby are Magola and ottemendi better because they cost more? There are six pl teams with enough quality to beat each other. Man.city have spent loads of money and haven't won Pl for 4 seasons, man. u haven;t won it for 3 seasons soon to be 4. Spurs are at a level and have the players more than capable of winning a cup. Arse and Man.u haven't been better than spurs for a couple of seasons, however, both manage to pick up trophies.
palmover
02/01/2018 00:29:00
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palmover. What your post points out very clearly to me, is probably the complete opposite of what you're trying to say. That is: No matter how much a club spends and no matter how good individual players may be, that the PL is an extremely tough competition to win. It has also been proven over many years, that the clubs that have the most money to spend, really do have an advantage over the rest but still find it tough to win. This is more than clear.
Hot Tottingham
02/01/2018 09:02:00
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H-K. You say that the teams above Spurs are unlikely to drop too many points against lower opposition. Well, they have all, already done so and will do so again. Even Man City were pretty unconvincing against the lowly Crystal Palace. And, don't forget, Spurs have already thrashed Liverpool. The way it looks to me, apart from City, is that THFC's recent form has been as good as anyones and our chances of continuing the good form are just as likely as others losing form and having a bad run, just as United and Arsenal have recently done. This, I feel is totally realistic. It is the PL, after all.
Hot Tottingham
02/01/2018 10:09:00
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palmover, remember what the great Mourinho said just last week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42488421

"Manchester United boss Jose Mourinho said the £300m he has spent on his squad so far is "not enough", after their 2-2 draw with Burnley on Tuesday."

two things to point out about that little snippet. One, the word squad is used, not team. Players get injured (Toby) lose form (Dele) so long term, having the best squad, beats having the best team imo. Also Mourinho, who you admire so much, claims the £300m he's already spent is not enough.. MP hasn't spent £300m in his entire career combined, starting from Espanyol. Conte also allegedly complained that he hasn't been given enough money to spend on his title winning squad, which lead to suggestions he will quit Chelsea at the end of the season, despite spending around £300m in 2 seasons or just shy of £200m net. If you look at the EPL winners over the last 15 years, 3 teams dominate, Chelsea, Man Utd and Man City. If you look at the biggest spenders over the last decade, the same 3 teams dominate.
Guyver
02/01/2018 10:27:00
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January is a terrible time to do business in the first place, and the only reason to do it is if you're one player away from achieving something big. If we were 2nd and 2 points off the lead, and you feel that bringing an extra player could push you over the top, or if you're fighting relegation, you do all you can to get over the line, even if that's overspending in January. We're likely good enough to be in the conversation for a top 4 finish already, and I don't think we're one player away from winning the CL. If I was MP, I'd look to consolidate our league position, and address long standing issues in the summer. The only good business to be done in January is either an Alli-type deal (a promising player from the lower leagues who can be loaned back to his club for 6 months and join for a full preseason - someone like Ryan Sessegnon maybe), or agreeing to terms with a player with an expiring contract. Barkley fits that bill, but even more exciting than Barkley, for me, is Leon Goretzka, who is already a full German international at 22. If Levy was to pull off a masterstroke, that would be the player, for me. Young, exciting, has all the attributes to be a good PL player, and while a lot of big clubs will be competing for his services, there is no transfer fee needed. This would be a prime opportunity to make a statement, if Levy was willing to be flexible in his wage policy. Him and Dier could be our midfield partnership for 5+ years.
BelgianSpur
02/01/2018 10:39:00
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January is a terrible time to do business in the first place, and the only reason to do it is if you're one player away from achieving something big. If we were 2nd and 2 points off the lead, and you feel that bringing an extra player could push you over the top, or if you're fighting relegation, you do all you can to get over the line, even if that's overspending in January. We're likely good enough to be in the conversation for a top 4 finish already, and I don't think we're one player away from winning the CL. If I was MP, I'd look to consolidate our league position, and address long standing issues in the summer. The only good business to be done in January is either an Alli-type deal (a promising player from the lower leagues who can be loaned back to his club for 6 months and join for a full preseason - someone like Ryan Sessegnon maybe), or agreeing to terms with a player with an expiring contract. Barkley fits that bill, but even more exciting than Barkley, for me, is Leon Goretzka, who is already a full German international at 22. If Levy was to pull off a masterstroke, that would be the player, for me. Young, exciting, has all the attributes to be a good PL player, and while a lot of big clubs will be competing for his services, there is no transfer fee needed. This would be a prime opportunity to make a statement, if Levy was willing to be flexible in his wage policy. Him and Dier could be our midfield partnership for 5+ years.
BelgianSpur
02/01/2018 10:40:00
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I agree with you there BS. But does it make a difference dealing in January in preference to waiting for the summer TW, when in a World Cup year? Personally, I don't think it does but many pundits and supporters alike do believe so, for varying reasons.
Hot Tottingham
02/01/2018 10:48:00
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