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Harry, The Best There Has Ever Been in A Spurs Shirt?

Harry, The Best There Has Ever Been in A Spurs Shirt?


Hugo Lloris says Harry is the best he has ever played with;

Hugo says Harry is the best striker he has played with and insists he is 'by the side' of Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo.

Harry has scored eight hat-tricks this year, a feat it is hard to imagine we will ever see reproduced in a Spurs shirt, unless of course it is achieved by Harry himself. His hat-trick against Southampton hauled him above Shearers record of 36 Premier League goals in one calendar year.

Harry also set a record for the number of goals scored for club and country at 56 - two more even than Messi in 2017, and three more than Ronaldo.

Hugo said speaking to Sky Sports : 'I've never played with a striker capable of scoring so many goals in a year, I've played with a lot of top strikers and probably he is the best I've played with'.
Heaping on the praise he added;

' He deserves all the praise at the moment. Now the most difficult part is coming because he needs to stick at this level. But with his mentality and quality I have no doubt he will do that. He is one of the best and he is going to keep showing it.'

Talking about his work ethic and his self- belief;

'He believes a lot in himself and that's most important. It means he is able to do fantastic things with passion and hard work. In football when there are records you always try to break them. It's true, with players like Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo it's difficult to catch them. But Harry is by the side of them and he is still a young player with lots to achieve. He's got the right attitude, he always wants to improve.'

Hugo also talks about his character; He's a goal machine:

'If he scores one goal in a game, he wants two or three. This is his mentality. He's a goal machine. It's his target. When he enters the pitch, he focuses on that. His job is to score goals and it's his mentality every day.

'The perception from outside is different now. He has more attention from the fans and media. But he has a good head on his shoulders and a lot of humility and that's the key. He will keep working hard and I'm sure he will break more records if he does.'

All that begs the question is Harry the greatest Tottenham Striker ever, if not the greatest player ever to pull on the shirt?



Click here to join in the debate on the club forum.

Writer:Jimmy
Date:Thursday December 28 2017
Time: 2:00PM

Comments

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Jimmy Greaves has to be the best yet. Best striker for sure. Harry will probably be the best since Jimmy, er... Jimmy. Striker that is. Of course he will have to stay around at THFC a good while to beat Greaves and his goalscoring feats for our club but could be well on his way to bettering him over an entire career. For England and at club level.
Hot Tottingham
28/12/2017 14:09:00
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Harry so far this season has 18 goals in 19 PL appearances and 6 in 5 CL matches. That's a fantastic 24 goals in 24 games. Any better than that average of 1 a game is way up there with the very best of all time, whichever club they have played for and from any era.
Hot Tottingham
28/12/2017 14:42:00
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Harry played 11 fewer games than Messi
Megaadz
28/12/2017 14:59:00
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I would imagine the answer is 'Yes' if you've not been a Spurs supporter for very long. For supporters who have been around for decades and have seen so many great Spurs players grace the Lane it's not quite as easy. There are quite a few candidates. But Harry is in the mix, and the frightening thing for PL opponents is that he thinks he will get better (if that is possible?).
Geofspurs
28/12/2017 15:36:00
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To add to that Geof... It seems that the football media, in the shadow of Sky and the PL, do not seem to go back and beyond the start of the PL when it comes to acknowledging the all-time greats of football. It's as if there was no one of any note before Alan Shearer hit the headlines.
Hot Tottingham
28/12/2017 15:41:00
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Harry's stats are incredible - and I think he will get better; https://www.premierleague.com/players/3960/Harry-Kane/stats
Spursex
28/12/2017 15:58:00
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Jimmy Greaves was the best ever. I love Harry but I've never seen him dribble past 5 defenders plus the goalkeeper. I saw Greavesy do it,I think it's on you tube somewhere. He left many defenders on their backsides & sold more dummies than Mothercare.
Greavesaboveall
28/12/2017 17:06:00
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Jimmy and Harry are 2 very different strikers in 2 very different eras in the game. The game is played at greater pace today, you get less time, but conversely the game has been sanitized to take most tackling and much of the physical contact out of the game. Jimmy Greaves was an ace "sniffer" who did most of his work inside the box, apart from the famous goal showed in the old title sequence for BBC Match of the day when he went half the length of the field to score. Given the variety of goals he scores with right, left feet, and headers, I think Kane is the more complete striker, although they are/were both great players, and I have been lucky enough to see both play. In Greavsie's case treasured memories.
Frank
28/12/2017 17:28:00
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Well, having led a highly mobile life on many planets found in far off galaxies, both in the future and the past, I can say without any fear of contradiction that Harry Kane is most certainly NOT a ‘world class’ player. He is simply a ‘universal class’ player. And I agree with Frank.
Geofspurs
28/12/2017 18:34:00
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Actually it was just one planet and one galaxy .... but why spoil a good story!
Geofspurs
28/12/2017 18:35:00
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HT .... That's true, and very strange. We are given the impression that football did not exist before the PL started and everything that went before is usually ignored. My memory tells me differently.
Geofspurs
28/12/2017 18:39:00
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Greaves .... I like your last line, re 'mothercare'. There's no point in comparing Greaves and Kane due, as Frank says, to the different way the game is/was played in the two eras. All we can say is that they are/were two amazing strikers. But, as Frank suggests, if you take scoring out of the equation, Kane does have a more complete all-round game. I do get the feeling that Kane is going to give me as many great memories as Greaves did .... and those are some memories!
Geofspurs
28/12/2017 18:49:00
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I assume the title of this thread relates to strikers. If not, I'd have to say that Mackay was the greatest player I've ever seen in a Spurs shirt. As I've said before, if I was to pick a team from past, present, or future players from anywhere, Mackay would be the first name on the team-sheet.
Geofspurs
28/12/2017 18:56:00
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But, before Frank points it out, he wouldn't last 10 minutes in today's footballing climate. It was a much tougher game in Mackay's day. Modern day Goalkeepers would not have enjoyed themselves either ... Bobby Smith scored a few goals by barging both ball and Keeper into the net! Imagine that!!
Geofspurs
28/12/2017 19:01:00
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Harry Kane is a complete striker in the modern game. Jimmy Greaves was the ultimate striker in the old pre Premier League. We need to remember the media writers were not aware of JG as they were too young or.. not even born !!. So they cannot comprehend JG scoring the goal for England beating the Rest of the World 2 -1 (pele inc. ) at wembley, which as a young lad i saw on black & white tv... lol...It was this goal which made me a spurs supporter for life, all through the cup winning era, relegation and back up in 70's through to now. Harry has a long way to go to become a true international football legend. He has made a very good start along that road.
Block D Spurs
28/12/2017 19:07:00
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BDS .... His two goals in the ECWCF in 63 were pretty good too.
Geofspurs
28/12/2017 20:37:00
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Geof + others... An article that mirrors some you guys' thoughts...

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/john-giles-this-deliberate-attempt-to-rewrite-history-with-a-slew-of-bogus-records-is-pathetic-36441764.html
critical_spur
28/12/2017 23:13:00
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Thanks for that, CS, just read it. It is very sad when you think of all the great clubs and players, and their achievements of the past. They all played for peanuts .... they just had the joy of playing the game.
Geofspurs
29/12/2017 02:40:00
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CS .... At least every club has records of its own history .... and the PL or media can't change that.
Geofspurs
29/12/2017 02:43:00
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Block D. If a sports journalist is young it has nothing to do with the reason why they only ever talk in terms of the PL. When I was young I was well aware of many of the football greats that were around long before I was born. Lofthouse, Mathews, Finney, Puskas, Stefano etc. And that was when I was just a kid. History is not exclusive to only those times that we remember. The PL is the headline writers main point of reference because of how the media has been controlled by Murdoch and Sky, etc. And most of todays young (and old) football writers and pundits are or have been in his employ. It's no coincidence. It is in their agenda.
Hot Tottingham
29/12/2017 11:52:00
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The way it's set up now, every football player prior to 1992 has been disrespected, their accomplishments ignored, their existence denied.
Geofspurs
29/12/2017 12:17:00
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HT.. yes you are right.. He who pays the piper calls the tune !
Block D Spurs
29/12/2017 12:18:00
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Anyway, I didn't intend to take away from Harry and his achievements so far. Here's hoping that he can get the club success at Spurs to go along with all of his personal accolades.
Hot Tottingham
29/12/2017 12:56:00
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Harry is apparently ill but should be okay to face the Swans.
Hot Tottingham
29/12/2017 14:13:00
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Surely, this can only be judged after his career at Spurs is over? What happens if he leaves before breaking Jimmys record. Yes, he has scored a lot of goals, but Greaves won trophies.
vicspur
30/12/2017 01:32:00
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vicspur. Teams win trophies. If Harry were never to win a trophy at Spurs that doesn't make him any less of a player.
Hot Tottingham
30/12/2017 14:20:00
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HT .... Bugger, I was about to say just that! Harry has two golden boots and, with a bit more to do, could well have a slightly different hat-trick on the way. I'm sure he'd enjoy collecting a few team medals during his career but I wonder if he'll consider them greater than his collection of 'boots' .... which is the ultimate accolade for a striker. I assume he would have two answers to that, one private and one public. But they're all good to get.
Geofspurs
30/12/2017 14:37:00
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I can't see us winning any trophies, we just don't have that extra step or extra what it takes when it matters.
123spurs
31/12/2017 19:02:00
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HOT Tottenham - nice to hear a "Non sheeple" opinion.. Excellent buddy now if the sheeple of earth could just wake up and realise this applies to all of history and how bogus the matrix we live in is, then maybe we can see some change!
MrYIDuk
01/01/2018 02:03:00
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Both World Class Strikers in different Worlds. I'm lucky enough to have seen both play, Harry could eclipse JG over time, just hope he stays with us.
Thats Entertainment
01/01/2018 11:00:00
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We've had some great players wear the Spurs shirt over the years... Jimmy and Harry of course and, don't forget, Diego Maradona! He was quite good.
Hot Tottingham
02/01/2018 09:43:00
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I have never seen Greaves play so I can only go off videos of him. Maybe it's my age, but I tend to give more credit to players now, because the sport has evolved and you need to be a much better/fitter athlete now to excel in the game today. Certainly, a lot of today's players could not deal with the physicality of English football 40 or 50 years ago, and not be as effective. However, given the athletic standards required today, most of the players who rode their talent but smoked, drank too much, etc. wouldn't even make the senior side based on their poor health habits today. I believe the bar is higher now than it has ever been, with not only talent, but exceptional physical ability required to make it in the modern game. When the faster players around (Ronaldo, Bale, Bellerin,...) can run a 100m fast enough that their time would potentially send them to the Olympics, you know that their athleticism is unbelievable. Goalkeepers and defenders are equally fitter and stronger overall, and the skill required to beat those players is equally higher. Not to take anything away from Greaves, but the jury is out as to whether he’d be as effective against better opponents. Kane is tough and isn’t afraid to put his foot in, so I have little doubt that he would excel no matter what the context. If we were talking about a player like Messi, my doubts would be bigger. Kane is certainly the best I’ve seen in my lifetime, and in my opinion, the best so far.
BelgianSpur
02/01/2018 13:15:00
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Talent in any sport is always relative to the time that you competed in and is held up to the contemporaries that you competed with and against. In that respect, Greaves still has to be considered one of the best of all time, given that he was one of the best in his own time.
Hot Tottingham
02/01/2018 13:46:00
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HT - in an age when we are witnessing 2 of the game's best ever talents in Ronaldo and Messi (and they are proving that by obliterating pretty much every record ever set), for Kane to be even mentioned in the same conversation (as he was by finishing top scorer in a calendar year), I'd say Kane's dominance stands up well, even in relative terms.
BelgianSpur
02/01/2018 13:51:00
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Usain Bolt would leave Jesse Owens for dead in a 100m sprint if he were transported back to the Berlin Olympics of 1936. However the records (not for sheer speed of course) that Owens achieved back then and in the events he competed in are still yet to be broken..... It's all relative. And if you were a great and the best of your era, well that can never be disputed.
Hot Tottingham
02/01/2018 13:52:00
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I agree with you on Kane. I've said it myself and I'm not as blind as many Spurs supporters seem to have been in the past about Harry. In fact I pretty much predicted his rise as much as 3 years ago.... I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just highlighting how good Greaves was in the context of his time. And he was a fantastic player when matched against all that I've since seen in the flesh.
Hot Tottingham
02/01/2018 13:56:00
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And Greaves was consistently good from the start to the finish of his career. Even when he had retired, had personal problems, suffering from alcoholism and was playing in a lower part-time league. He was still banging them in! ;-)
Hot Tottingham
02/01/2018 13:58:00
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We can always compare stats as a measure of a sportsman and a sports woman's abilities but in different eras and/or circumstances, the stats inevitably alter the perspective of such achievements and the view then becomes more of a subjective one. There are those supporters on here that witnessed Greaves on a regular basis from early in his career and know Kane probably even more so because it's 'now' and the football is more readily available to see. But if they still insist that Greaves is the greater player then I'm not going to argue with them, even if I thought otherwise.
Hot Tottingham
02/01/2018 14:09:00
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Good discussion in any case. But if stats aren't used, it all gets very subjective and opinions are only as valid as the people who hold them, with varying degrees of expertise in determining the skill of a player. At some point there has to be an objective measuring stick.
BelgianSpur
03/01/2018 10:21:00
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