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Poch is Broken.

Poch is Broken.



A little while ago I opined that the Premier league was fractured and had turned into a series of games of Attack v Defence, more and more you see teams in the middle and lower end of the table spend 95% of a game with 10 or even 11 men behind the ball and the top 6 sides throwing everything but the kitchen sink at them to try and break them down.

I cannot recall such negative tactics being the new norm since the inception of the Premier league, but as this defence v attack bandwagon continues to roll the ultimate victim is what fans pay for, entertainment.

As we saw last night it's not always possible for the attacking footballing passing side to crack open a packed defence, sometimes the defence just gets lucky or the ref is blindsided to an obvious decision, or not brave enough to give it.

Last night we saw a bit of everything.

To Poch's credit he didn't whine on about how poor the ref's decision making was and the two penalty shouts; the one for Harry which I thought was nailed on, which could have been a catalyst for a different result, even a different game - or at least what was left of it.

So kudos to Poch he doesn't whine about refs and I like that, alot.

West Ham were defensively negatively magnificent, they did the best impression of anti-football and had the defence of the Great Wall of China.

They went back to celebrate in their pie mash shops doing the knees up Mother Brown whilst blowing bubbles from their collective backsides secure in the knowledge that they have played their Cup Final and not lost.

Yesterday in the forum, I argued for once again a plan 'c' - we do have a plan 'b' and that's hoiking the ball long and diagonally to either Llorente and or Kane, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, there are times when what looks like three at the back is just two and five in the middle, last night was one of them.

The plan 'c' has to do with attackers that can attack at pace, that pushes defences onto their heels and gets them to commit to tackles in uncomfortable places; our play is based on dynamic non-stop movement that is supposed to 'distress' the opposition. The problem with this philosophy is that there is not a coach in the Premier League that has not figured it out and all that now want to play boring, negative anti-football have drilled their teams in the art of frustration against us. How or why their fans pay to watch this mind numbing horror and mockery of the game is beyond my understanding.

The combination of Dier and So-so-Sissoko was clearly picked to counter what we had seen Carrol do against West Brom a couple of days ago - I have no issue with that; but Moyes being the old wise head he is, countered by leaving the fragile beanpole on the bench - and that's where I do have an issue with Poch and his timidity last night.

Poch screwed up, his game management was poor, once he knew Carrol was out of the front line, we knew how they intended to play and thats is exactly what they did.

In my view he then waited far too long and only reacted when we had gone behind to an incredible shot and goal that firstly had me blaming Lloris for not getting to it, then watching it again and realising that it was one of those rare 1:100 shots that were unstoppable from a player that has not shown he can hit a ball like that in all the time he has been with the Spam. That's life.

But given our dominance, given our pressure why oh why didn't Poch change it around before then? I get slow patient build up intended to try and draw out the opposition, I get relying on clockwise movement in front of the oppositions goal with only the occasional overlap - but when it doesn't work - change it!

He should have had the strength of belief to make the changes at half-time, there was no margin in waiting any longer, their stall was set-out and they would have found it impossible to change the way they were playing and the way they were set-up.

Poch saw everything we saw and at half-time should have changed it up and hauled the ineffective combo of Dier and So-So off. Of course, he'd run the risk of them countering with Carrol - but that was an acceptable risk given our complete and utter dominance against a team that had not shown the slightest inclination to play anything other than 'block that ball'.

Poch claims he likes to be Brave and is not afraid (read that Book), but what I saw last night was a timid broken thought process and weak management based on what I can only surmise was the fear of being caught out by a team who had done exactly that to us not so long ago.

If we are to recover and get back into the top 4 he is going to have to start taking risks again, the sort that were getting us some magnificent results against teams like these.

Credit where credit is due, Poch has guided us through a tricky period and a difficult Xmas fixture list exceptionally well, but last night he gets a C minus from me for no other reason he forgot our motto; To Dare is to Do and sometimes that means doing just that.

West Ham's 'motto' is laughingly 'The Academy of Football' - if some of the great players that have played for them saw them now, they'd turn in their graves - their current motto really is nothing more than 'we park the bus and play anti-football'.

Of course, I'm not bitter.

p.s. Poch - find your bravery again or this season will be an entirely wasted one.


The curse strikes again, Poch was nominated yesterday for Manager of the Month - that explains it.



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Writer:Spursex
Date:Friday January 5 2018
Time: 11:16AM

Comments

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It was glaringly obvious that they were set up not to lose ... the commentary even said the team were in a different postcode to Hernandez... half time they could of brought on wanyama .... for sissoko ... Dier, really needs a break his form is so up and down ... Lloris had no chance of getting that goal ... just like son, both goals were exceptional .. son's was better just due to the bend on the ball... the dynamics of the game were set up for them to hit on the break and score, you could see it coming from Australia ... I would rather 1point over non... Poch, really is going to have a difficult season, the team took time to settle at Wembley ... it's feeling normal now but still it's not home, next season will be the same I feel, obviously not for new signings .... there really is too much backwards and sideway passing .... Davies, still can't consistently cross a ball ... all in all. I can honestly say, I am glad I don't have to pick the team.
E17YID
05/01/2018 11:32:00
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I thought Pochettino showed a lot of attacking boldness against Man City recently... We lost! If we had parked the bus ourselves, who knows, we may have nicked a win against those runaway Mancs..... As for last night, I can't really see what more we could've done bar being more lethal with our finishing. But brick walls need to be demolished if they stand strong and WHU, did stand very strong.
Hot Tottingham
05/01/2018 11:35:00
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he so called ailed on Kane penalty was OFFSIDE. So, NO PEN.
chrishove123
05/01/2018 11:38:00
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I thought Dier played very well E17 and continually broke up any kind of midfield strength that the Hammers tried to muster, before they could get anywhere near our half of the pitch.

Of course, we all see it differently......

Hot Tottingham
05/01/2018 11:38:00
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Hot, all you're doing is underlying Poch tactical weaknesses - against ManC we should have set up to do a 'Real Madrid' on them, instead we went head to head against the best team in the land and maybe even Europe, bold yes, smart no. But that's not the issue, the issue is how timid we are in our game management against teams that park the bus - does it suggest that Poch doesn't have faith in the squad or is it he is now afraid to take risks and lose at home - has his judgement become compromised and confused...?
Spursex
05/01/2018 11:42:00
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yet again we start with ten players and a clown on the pitch. Why doesn't that idiot Pochetino play the bloody club mascot instead of sisokoko the clown. I am sure the mascot will have a far better idea of what a forward pass is than klown has. ALSO YET AGAIN no plan B. Wrong players starting the game and wrong subs brought on far too late. Sell klown and bring in a decent attacking mid fielder who has the ability to run at people, get past people like Hazard can, and open the lock. But e have klown.
chrishove123
05/01/2018 11:43:00
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We have had a problem with breaking down a packed defence for a long time now. Sometimes you get lucky and get an early goal which changes the game, sometimes the opposition defence is not well disciplined and organised enough. But last night we saw what happens when the opposition execute the game plan well. One player upfield the rest in rows just moving from side to side as a unit as we passed the ball sideways in front of them. Whenever we did get a shot on goal there were always players in position to block it. Everyone talks about pace but looking at how West Ham were set up my question would be where was the space for someone to run into ? Liverpool have had the same kind of problems against these type of teams. What was needed was someone to actually take players on, someone like Mahrez who doesn't really need space. Either that or the kind of slide rule killer pass De Bruyne can make. The kind of patient sideways passing we go in for, waiting for an opening that just doesn't come, is a waste of time. There were times we found space down the sides but that highlighted two problems. Firstly we don't actually cross the ball very well, we don't hit it early enough or accurately enough. Secondly we don't get bodies in the box, last night it was mostly just Kane. If you watch Man City against teams like this they attack in numbers, often with half a dozen players inside the the opposition box. Over the past few seasons this has become more of a problem as more teams have set up this way against us. So far we just don't have an answer.
jod
05/01/2018 11:47:00
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Same ol to predictable, why not try 2 up.
123spurs
05/01/2018 11:47:00
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Hot, we could have stopped trying to thread the ball through their defence all the time as after ten minutes one could see it was an impossible task. Note how our goal was only scored because someojne had the sense to try a shot from 20 to 25 yards out in the air, rather than bang it in low on the ground and hope for a deflection. That is such a negative way to play, it shows we can't think our way through things We need a player like De Bruyne who constantly THINKS his way through a game rather do what Spurs players do which is to react to what is happening first, then think about when it's too late.
chrishove123
05/01/2018 11:48:00
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Spursex, fair enough but I do disagree. We have had joy against many bus parkers and not so against others... My point about the City match was me being ironic, (or sarcastic), in as much as I think we needed to be more defensive in that one and as you say... Set up more like we did against Real, away.
Hot Tottingham
05/01/2018 11:48:00
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Typical reaction to a poor result by "a supporter". A Boo button to make it easier should be installed in the new stadium seats!I Would not happen "up north" If we signed up Spursex as Poch;s special adviser on Sissoko's salary it would be a great signing as we would never loose again. I hope that Ross Barkley with his injury record is not a signing target, at least until he has completed say 6 matches for Everton.
camper
05/01/2018 11:53:00
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Jod, I said last season we had been found out in our one dimensional and naive way of playing, now last night shows how poor we really are when we don't get a break, so to speak, NO plan B, an inability to think things out, just keep bashing away at in the same old way all game long getting absolutely nowhere apart from deeply frustrated. If we can't play better than that and beat such teams then we are not going to make the top four. Poch would be absolutely useless at a thinking man's game like chess where the game is constantly changing in front of your eyes, you don't only need a plan B, you also have plans C, D and E, plus you have to change and adapt you game all through the match, all of which seems to be impossible for Pochetino to do.
chrishove123
05/01/2018 11:55:00
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chrishove123 - There are no players like De Bruyne just as there are no players like Kane. No one else can make the kind of passes De Bruyne does.
jod
05/01/2018 12:01:00
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chrishove123 - We've had the same problem for the past two seasons and made the top four anyway. I'd argue what its actually done is stopped us winning the title.
jod
05/01/2018 12:03:00
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We could have signed 2 players similar to Hazard last summer for reasonable money-Mahrez & Zaha.They have jumped in value recently. Like Hazard these 2 with their rapid,clever footwork and the ball seemingly glued to their feet, terrify packed defences . The top clubs have players like this: Salah,Sane,Sanchez,Messi,Suarez,Neymar etc,etc. We don't! Until Levy & Poch address this problem we will struggle to finish in the top 4. Spursex is right ,more teams are parking the bus & we don't have an answer.
Greavesaboveall
05/01/2018 12:06:00
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We do have Dele and Son. Both did better than Mahrez and even Hazard last season. We have Lamela back. It'd be great to have more players on a par with all 5 of those guys but realistically, it ain't likely to happen at Spurs any time soon.
Hot Tottingham
05/01/2018 12:18:00
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...And Zaha I meant. But Dele and Son contributed much more than all of those guys did, including Hazard.
Hot Tottingham
05/01/2018 12:20:00
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I have to agree with chrishove123 on his observation that we just didn't get many bodies in to their penalty area, whether for 2nd ball, deflections or crosses. I can't deny the endeavour whilst acknowledging the negative tactics by West Ham, just that each time one of our players dribbled past 4 to 5 defenders, the lose ball always found a Hammers' player for a clearance. For me Son was the most threatening and trying player. We need another in the same mould on the right hand side. Lamela brought that, but a bit too late. On the whole, not a bad haul of points during the festive period....same points collected as City. Hope Lamela begins to start more games than Sissoko.
Critical_Spur
05/01/2018 12:28:00
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Let's not forget Eriksen, of course. I think he came second only to De Bruyne in assists last season. This season still has a long way to go and our players may yet have comparable contributions to last season at the end of it all.
Hot Tottingham
05/01/2018 12:29:00
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Hot Tottingham,got to disagree with you here mate.Last season Leicester & Mahrez went through a slump because of management problems.Mahrez was player of the year when Leicester won the league.Zaha has had problems with self belief ever since Utd dumped him.He has come through that because Hodgsen believes in him.My point is these 2 players have exceptional talent but play with average teams.Give them a big team & a great motivator like Poch & they will blossom. Average players always remain average.Quality touch players often need nurturing like orchids.
Greavesaboveall
05/01/2018 12:33:00
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Greavesaboveall. The point I was making is that we have players that are as good as or better already. Regardless of anything else. And, that it's highly unlikely that we will find ourselves with a couple more players of such high quality to sit on the bench at Spurs on a similar wage or bigger than say Harry is on. I'm not saying we couldn't do with these guys (although I'm not keen on Mahrez). Just that we shouldn't have unreal expectations. And, lets not forget about the players we already have that are just as good or better.
Hot Tottingham
05/01/2018 12:42:00
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One of the positives for me last night was the performance of Aurier, who has been improving steadily since his summer move and looks like he really is finding his form an fitness now - suspect he will be a very big player for us soon - which will mean the end of the rotation with Trippier...
Spursex
05/01/2018 12:47:00
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Your point on Mahrez last season. At this time last season Leicester were struggling badly. But, the man that took them to the PL title, Ranieri was still their manager. The whole team were underperforming for him but what was Mahrez' excuse for being mostly invisible?
Hot Tottingham
05/01/2018 12:50:00
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Mahrez sulked for most of last season. He has neither the work ethic or the character for us, Poch might fix him, but 1:5 game players are a luxury our squad can't carry.
Spursex
05/01/2018 12:51:00
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Spursex. I agree with that. Aurier is improving game by game.
Hot Tottingham
05/01/2018 12:51:00
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Hot Tottingham,I'll always have unreal expectations because I saw the Double side ,when Spurs were the best in the land. I accept that we can't compete for the best players in the world with the present owners,but we can get close by buying cleverly,afterall we did get Modric, Berbatov & Bale by spotting their talent before anyone else. One other thing; Kane is brilliant but he can't dribble through a packed defence to save his life & that is my whole point.
Greavesaboveall
05/01/2018 12:52:00
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Greavesaboveall. Fair enough. I envy you that you were around to witness the "Double". I was alive but still a baby that hadn't yet swapped his rattle for a football.
Hot Tottingham
05/01/2018 12:57:00
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They were poetry in motion Tott! I was very lucky.
Greavesaboveall
05/01/2018 13:09:00
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Spot on, Spursex! Poch's approach was much tootimid for this game, while his substitutions came much too late. How many other fans like myself were screaming for a Plan B and for Lamela and Wanyama to come on after the first half? Continually playing the ball across the field and then crossing it into a packed defence just does not work, particularly if your luck runs out (as it did last night) and you don't get the benefit of a fortunate deflection. Beating a packed defence requires flair players who can take a man or two out by sheer wizardry. Lamela at his best can do this but is not really at this level at the present time. Looking at a list of the top 8 dribblers the other day (i.e. dribbles completed) I noted that not one Spurs player was on it. Those who were included Hazard, Zaha, Saleh, King and our old boy Andros Townsend, who (wrongly in my opinion) took a lot of stick when he was with us. This is not to say that we should necessarily base our game on having a dribbler in the first team but we should certainly have one or to bring on when Plan A isn't working (along with a lock-picker to back up Eriksen)..
Stan Rosenthal
05/01/2018 13:40:00
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The bottom line is that we have had the same problem for the last 2 and half seasons and Poch still has no idea how to fix it. I agree with Spursex that unless Poch develops better tactics we have no chance of finishing in the top 4. Can you teach an old dog new tricks? Not according to the proverb.
Harry-Kari
05/01/2018 13:53:00
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okay, I'm going to throw a strange one out there. Lamela for CM... Great work rate, vision, control, loves a tackle... Against teams that park the bus I would much rather see us start with a more attacking minded team. As much as I can't stand the man I think Sherwood was right last night...
spurticus87
05/01/2018 13:55:00
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Spurs have one genuine wide attacker who plays the role perfectly (Son). Marhez would offer the opportunity to play a balanced attack and in my opinion Marhez is an up grade on GKN and Sisoko so would at least improve the squad. MP saying he is a brave coach is a joke he is a safety 1st and that is why players like Dier get a chance in the DM role. Look at pep that is a brave coach look at who he plays at DM, also pep plays one anchor man whereas the brave one plays two. It's 4 seasons now and MP hasn't improved as a tactical manager and he's team selection is still hit and miss.
palmover
05/01/2018 14:17:00
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If spurs went 433, lamela could play the am role similar to silva at city. All spurs would need to do is buy a genuine wide attacker which has been the case for two seasons.
palmover
05/01/2018 14:21:00
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"The bottom line is that we have had the same problem for the last 2 and half seasons and Poch still has no idea how to fix it" So Harry-Kari (and jod), how did we manage 86 points last season and remain undefeated at home, winning 17 of the 19 matches? Highest points total since God knows when. I don't recall any major issues with extremely defensive teams last season. Maybe we've been "found out". Maybe Wembley is still a factor, but this is certainly not a problem that goes back, 2 and a half seasons.
Guyver
05/01/2018 14:28:00
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To be very honest, I lost track of the amount of times i held my head in my hands wondering HOW on earth the ball was not in the net. It was a bizarrely frustrating game in that on another day this game was wrapped up. To me, Kane was completely out of it, clearly hadn't fully recovered from his illness. Chances came, chances went and we lacked a sharp target man. Alas. Sissoko - please PLEASE let this be his last game for us! (Where is winks btw?). Alas, time to forget about this rubbish and get on with it then!
Kaizad Nariman
05/01/2018 14:28:00
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We consistently struggle to overcome packed and total defences. We lack true width with pace, we lack a ball carrying powerful, aggressive forward running MFer. Last night we made 600+ passes, why? The objective is surely is to get amongst a packed defence, force them to tackle, commit fouls, hopefully conceding free kicks or even penalties, giving set piece opportunities. To get down the sides and put in crosses with numbers getting into the box creating goal scoring opportunities. None of this is achieved by going sideways and backwards consistently, so the 600+ passes are unnecessary or indeed counter productive. The one thing defensive negative teams love is for the opposition to play in front of them, rather than penetrating through them or down the sides with pace, getting behind them. We currently lack the type of player to do either and I doubt we will address the problem with any signings during the window. The frustrating thing is that we know the teams below halfway in the league will "park the bus" against us because coaches know we are nullified by this tactic, and can't, won't, or are unable to change our approach to deal with it. So invariably it is successful in stopping us from playing our attacking game, and worryingly we just don't learn. I am afraid that in these situations Pochettino is tactically inept and naive. His team selections and in game substitutions are unimaginative and he fails to react promptly to in game situations or the opposition's playing patterns and tactics, hence he is yet to win anything as a coach.
Frank
05/01/2018 14:35:00
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Frank, that's a fair comment - If Poch is to prove that he has a winners mentality and good grasp of situational tactical analysis whilst in play, he's got to do two things; buy players that aren't 'mould fitters' i.e. as you describe, which would then give him options and b) become that man who he himself said is always 'brave' - something that I have increasingly believed he's lost this season.
Of course, only he knows why that is and why his game management has become increasingly timid and defensively.
Spursex
05/01/2018 14:58:00
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This picture says it all: http://www.thickaccent.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/DSwyonIXUAAl5Ws.jpg
Spursex
05/01/2018 15:10:00
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Also, never mind Sissoko, although he is a waste of space, Eric Dier just doesn't look interested in playing for us any more, and hasn't done so for months. He once was a very promising player bought as a CB but Poch has converted him into a mediocre MF player, vastly overrated, and a dangerous CB. So much for developing young talent.
Harry-Kari
05/01/2018 16:02:00
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Yup Harry, we'll never get the £4m we spent on him back...
Guyver
05/01/2018 16:36:00
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Guyver, season 2015/16 West Brom, Bournemouth, Leicester and Sunderland all ground out draws by parking buses and in the case of West Brom and Leicester, scoring on the break. Season 2016/17 Stoke, Everton, West Brom, Newcastle, Leicester, West Ham and West Brom again secured draws or in the cases of Newcastle and Leicester wins on breakaways after parking buses. This season, Chelsea, Burnley, West Brom and now West Ham, secured results by bus parking and playing on the break, plus we scraped by Bournemouth and Crystal Palace by the odd goal and could have lost to Palace. If we had won all those games then in 2015/16 we would have won the league, in 2016/17 we would still have finished 2nd and this season who knows what the final impact will be. So the problem has been there for one time, it's not anything new.
Harry-Kari
05/01/2018 16:38:00
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So unless we have a 100% win record vs every single team below 6th, home and away, we have a problem?? No wonder you're always moaning!
Guyver
05/01/2018 16:44:00
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Guyver, with Dier it has nothing to do with the money. When he first arrived he had some flair and a sense of adventure, scoring the winner away to West Ham from RB when we were down to 10 men. Now he is like a zombie, his passing is mostly backwards or sideways, and when he does try a forward pass it is more like a rocket than a pass. It's a shame and I think the lad has lost his motivation, maybe due to Utd tapping, who knows but he isn't worth his place at the moment in my opinion.
Harry-Kari
05/01/2018 16:45:00
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Picking out a handfull of games, in just over 2 and a half seasons (98 games) is what you call cherry picking. Your expectations are not just entirely unreasonable, they are piratically impossible. "If we won all those games, we'd have won the league", yes, that applies to all clubs every single season, but it never happens.
Guyver
05/01/2018 16:49:00
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Its called form Harry. Compare Sterling last season, to this season for example. Facts are, Dier could have been sold for anywhere between £30m and £50m at the beginning of the season. He's also now a regular England international. He has certainly progressed, although I'd agree he is a bit overrated.
Guyver
05/01/2018 16:53:00
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Exactly Guvyer!!! we've been found out......lol, thats a good one
Ossie
05/01/2018 17:04:00
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Guyver, not cherry picking just listing the park the bus games that we failed to win to show that the problem goes back a long way. I agree that winning every game is impractical but nevertheless it shows where we dropped points against this style of football. If you think it is irrelevant fine. I think it shows that the problem has not been addressed over a significant period of time.
Harry-Kari
05/01/2018 17:23:00
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Harry, if you choose to ignore all the times we have broken teams down (especially last season) which by far, outnumber the times we've failed, then I don't know what to say.. I agree we have struggled this season, but certainly not last season. Our home record (where teams are more likely to park the bus) demonstrates this.
Guyver
05/01/2018 17:28:00
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I think some comments on here and some articles talk a load of crap - poch is broken, don't make me laugh. I think the line up was understood, he thought they were going to have a go at us and we needed legs in the middle and some experience. dier had to start there because Dembele and Wanyama are not fully fit, you cannot risk them in a London Derby. So who else could have played with dier, Winks or Sissoko, he went for the legs of Sissoko rather than the inconsistent smaller ball retainer less experienced winks. however, they didn't play the way poch probably thought, certainly not how I thought either, they parked the bus and yes that made Dier and sissoko rather redundent, or ineffective having those two, so yes Winks may have been better option than Sissoko and may be Dembele or Wanyama could have coped because our midfield didn't have too much to do as they parked the bus, but how can you predict that in a London Derby and if he did change it earlier they may well have then brought on players like carrol and we may have lost the battle in midfield. poch was holding out hoping we could break them down once he had decided to play sissoko and dier, lets face it, we were dominent. it would have been difficult to change it, he could have brought wanyama or Dembele on for dier to give him a rest nothing would have changed, or took sissoko off for one of them but with their injuries it would have been a risk if they then changed it.

dier played well imo, everyone did just that we couldn't do what other teams can do at times like this, teams like Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Chelsea are better at breaking bus parkers than we are, having said that they sometimes struggle but I think they are more consitent at doing it than us which suggests they have something diffierent than us and I think its that creative midfielder. Our offensive players are very good but they are not always consistent and I think that player to make the runs from midfield or who can play a clever pass from deep is what we need in these games. We haven't got one and I would also suggest we need a striker that can come on and score regular.

This squad is not complete and I don't expect it to be, I think we are getting closer but we still making some didgy signings, Sissoko, njie, GK not good enough.

Three more players of the right calibre will go a long way in us improving, as for Poch he is doing alright and so are the players. It was always going to be hard this season, we are still in the mix and we have had injuries, so let stay sane and lets stop talking nonsense - broken Poch lol
It'sME
05/01/2018 18:10:00
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I son't think any one player can be singled out for a poor perfirmance. However our tactics seemed stale and easy to defend against. MP has to take that one on the chin. Blaming the ref is ridiculous. We lacked urgency in the first 45 then rushed our play in the second half. We failed to identify any weakness to exploit, and WHU aren't exactly world beaters. On that evidence I don't think we currently belong in the top 4.
BelgianSpur
05/01/2018 19:11:00
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It's seems like klopp has them back swimming in the pool, since we drowned them
123spurs
05/01/2018 22:18:00
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It's me winks has enough experience if he can't fight/play in a derby match, then what's the point, WH played an Irish guy called rice he's 18, no experience an he had to face kane ericksen Dele, imagine if we have a 18 year at the back
123spurs
05/01/2018 23:05:00
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When we so much as get a draw, why does it always seem to be on here, twitter and elsewhere that we were actually beaten? That we lost. Not just beaten, but thrashed 6-0 by a Sunday League team? It was 1-1 against another PL team, full of good professional players. Talented players, just like Moussa Sissoko... Haha!
Hot Tottingham
06/01/2018 02:55:00
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HT, it's because we dropped two points against a team we would expect to beat, two points that we desperately needed to keep in touch with the teams above us, particularly with a very tough fixture list coming up. And for the reasons already discussed, many of us believe that Poch's team selection contributed to the failure (such that it is). A draw is only marginally better than a defeat other than it prevents your opponents getting three points. Having said that, one bad match has mushroomed into questions about Poch's managership, yet again, which I disagree with.

By the way, what are you doing on VS at 3 o'clock in the morning?
Gary Onedaysoon
06/01/2018 07:28:00
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Totally agree 123spurs, 23:05.
Gary Onedaysoon
06/01/2018 07:28:00
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Gary Onedaysoon. Strange question. What were you doing here at 7.28? ... I was at work mate. My post had to do with the OTT inquests etc, on social media in general that always follow a poor Spurs performance. Questioning tactics is fair enough. Nothing wrong with that at all. It's quite interesting to read. But what tends to follow on from that is then to question the managers talent overall and hugely exaggerate any failures, whilst seemingly ignoring so much that is good. There have been a few posts on VS that suggest MP is no longer good enough for THFC and many elsewhere from fans, that blatantly want him out. This to me is ridiculous.
Hot Tottingham
06/01/2018 11:14:00
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HT, it was a lighthearted question. I didn't consider, wrongly, that you may be working. I meant it in the spirit that you are undoubtedly devoted to the VS cause, contributing at that time of the morning. I agree wholeheartedly with what you say regarding the discussion escalating into a clamour about Poch's fitness to be our manager, which I did indicate in my previous post.
Gary Onedaysoon
06/01/2018 11:27:00
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My answer too was lighthearted. I have what are called waking nights at work, I am part-time carer and work for severely disabled adults that need 24 hour care. I won't bore you with details....
Hot Tottingham
06/01/2018 11:38:00
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I'm still at work!
Hot Tottingham
06/01/2018 11:39:00
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Admirable work HT.
Gary Onedaysoon
06/01/2018 13:18:00
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Thank you...
Hot Tottingham
06/01/2018 13:57:00
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I have to say... Spurs played much better and fought a lot harder to beat a PL rival than the Foxes have just shown with difficulty in drawing with the mighty Fleetwood Town.
Hot Tottingham
06/01/2018 14:57:00
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Well done Fleetwood, Leciester were just strolling imo but Fleetwood played their game and didn't fear them, they deserved that draw if not a win. Glad they get to go to a PL ground and earn some cash. usually return games end in tears for the lower clubs, hope Fleetwood is the exception, seem like a decent nice bunch of players, manager and owners who work hard as a developing club, these clubs deserve more cash and their fans are incredible, turning up every week to watch a lower league club is commitment imo.
It'sME
06/01/2018 17:07:00
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No real upsets in the FA cup today... But come on the Canaries tonight and lets see what comes tomorrow.
Hot Tottingham
06/01/2018 17:18:00
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Late to this party I known, but when we analyse the game after the fact, surely we should focus on the squad we currently have and not on players we would like to have? As regards team selection, we can assume every team will park the bus, yes they might but we should have a bit more guile about how we play if this happens, for instance, If Dier, Dembele, Eriksen Son and Ali start as our midfield and the opposition decide to pack the defence, why not move Dembele into a second striker role, drop Erisken deeper and look to fire in a few long range rockets with Dembele using his strength to make a nuisance of himself in the box? Pace won't work against a team with ten player inside their own box!
Slurms McKenzie
09/01/2018 11:09:00
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