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Greed Trumps Playing.

Greed Trumps Playing.




The Telegraph
.... reports that Chelsea are now favourites to sign Everton and part-time England midfielder Ross Barkley in this January window, it seems we have decided that his wage demands are bordering on insane for a player that is as inconsistent as he is at times compelling.

According to the Telegraph, Our Chairman was hoping to get him on a free at the end of the season when he is most likely to have had the time to prove he is over what was a pretty nasty hamstring injury as the scar down the length of the back of his thigh can attest to.

Buying players after a serious injury is a huge risk, once you have committed to a 4 or 5 year deal if they don't fully recover you might as well have burned a few crates of Fifties roasting some seasonal chestnuts.

Taking massive risks like that simply are not in our budget and Poch may well have considered there are better less risky options. How much of a blow this is to Poch's plans we may never know, but I for one believed that if he joined us he would under Poch's tutelage steadily improved, become more consistent and finally realised his potential.

Taking these sort of monetary gambles for Chelsea is easy; wasting tens of millions on wages on players that simply adorn their bench is a well-travelled path for them.

Unless Barkley significantly improves, the chances are should he join Chelsea he will spend the next few years watching football rather than playing it.

But at least his agent will be richer for his advice and Barkley will be comforted by his bank balance, and that is what the game is all about, right?



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Writer:Spursex
Date:Friday January 5 2018
Time: 1:00PM

Comments

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Didn't really think it would happen anyway, after all most of us have heard of Barkley, so he never fitted our criteria.
Frank
05/01/2018 13:39:00
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odd
wazzygib
05/01/2018 13:44:00
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But will he pass the medical at Chelsea?. Barkley had a very serious hamstring tear and has not played since - let someone else take the gamble. He would not be a regular in our side right away in any case and its doubtful we can even meet his wage demands.
camper
05/01/2018 13:55:00
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Don't worry - it's not as if we are short in creative areas! I am sure we have other targets that will also not materialise.
DoncasterHotspur
05/01/2018 14:11:00
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Strange thing with spurs - this is the second time in recent years that we have been on the verge of something really big (2010 being the other example) only for the clubs progress to be halted by an overwhelming lack of ambition.
DoncasterHotspur
05/01/2018 14:13:00
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DoncasterHotspur, ambition or lack of ambition ? - taking a chance on a player that may well never completely recover his fitness from a career threatening injury may not be the smart thing to do - the PL has a history or players who've had the same injury, come back and then it happens again an again - Micheal Owen would be just one such example....why take the risk when there may well be just as good if not better opportunities to get attacking midfielders elsewhere?
Spursex
05/01/2018 14:26:00
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Unbelievable if Barkley goes to Chelsea for 15 million. So who will we sign at 23.00 on Jan 31st? Levy is already looking through the telephone directory for unknowns at a knockdown price as our marquee signing. Roll on Europa next season.
wentworth
05/01/2018 14:45:00
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If we are looking for alternatives, I do hope it isn't another Lewis Holtby..
Guyver
05/01/2018 14:49:00
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Spursex, we will see whether we will unearth a gem of a powerful forward running ball carrying MFer of Barkley's ilk or not. I only wish I had the same faith in our scouting system or Google scanners that others have and that we won't end up with other N'Jie, N'Koudou, Sissoko types.
Frank
05/01/2018 14:50:00
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Doncaster the similarity between the current situation and the one that prevailed after we got to the QF off the CL under Redknapp and the failure to invest in the team's further development is striking. There are glaring gaps in our squad as highlighted yet again by West Ham's tactics and our inability to break them down, which has now become a regular feature of our games against "bus parkers". The only missing feature at the moment is a repeat of the massive " family silver sale " that asset stripped that squad. Will we see an updated version of the Bale, Modric, Van Der Vaart auctions this time around.
Frank
05/01/2018 15:00:00
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So of course Frank we should have first insisted that Bale and Modric didn't go to Real and then pay them more than enough to compensate for it. More than Real do right now? Also guarantee (in writing) to both that by remaining at Spurs, they would definately go on to win several league titles and CL cup winners medals...... VDV was a great player. A great player that was only able to play for half a match at a time. He also WANTED to leave. Levy didn't false him to go as was with the other two. Or Berbatov or Walker or anyone else that we would have rather have kept. Surely long enough has passed that we can all just forget them now. Jesus, I don't care about Walker going and that was just 5 months ago!
Hot Tottingham
05/01/2018 15:14:00
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I thought you said the Barkley deal was more or less done?, not bothered really as i think Spurs have enough talent in the central midfield area for the remainder of the season, however, can you tell Levy/poch that we did a wide attacker now as the FA cup is a must win for me. Coys
palmover
05/01/2018 15:36:00
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I am so glad that Chelsea are to sign Barkley for £15M at 24 years old. They have fallen into the trap, signing a player who has had an injury, who will never recover, he will never be the same again, some even say he may need a hip replacement in later life, imagine that, what a gamble for £15M. Mind you it is only to be expected from Chelsea with their abysmal transfer record, they never seem to get it right, unlike us with our unbridled record of success in signing players to improve our squad. Looks like we have had a narrow escape, phew thank god for that, back to the safety of Google.
Frank
05/01/2018 15:42:00
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No Hot we should have simply held them to their contracts, when they had nearly expired we could then sell them at a time of our choosing rather than theirs.
Frank
05/01/2018 15:47:00
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palmover, you can never legislate for last minute demands - it's like buying property, I've bought countless properties and the number of times sellers come up with last minute demands for a hike in the price is never ending....by all accounts his agent starting making a huge increase in demands in the last few weeks....and of course the chav's said 'no problem'...you can't compete were the only criteria is the desire to enrich yourself above all other things...
Spursex
05/01/2018 15:49:00
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Just great we miss out on Barkley when he wanted to come to us. Now lets hold our breaths and wait for some great signings from the yellow pages stars of yesteryear. Can we beat the great N'Koudou, the amazing Sissoko and the " I never touch the ball" Llorente cos I prefer to sit on the bench in my thermals.
wentworth
05/01/2018 16:03:00
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wentworth, that's a tough one....
Spursex
05/01/2018 16:11:00
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Oh well, never really saw it happening.
Ossie
05/01/2018 16:59:00
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palmover, not sure we do have enough talent in CM. Dembele is falling apart, Dier is our jack of all trades, who you don't rate if I remember correctly. Wanyama is good, although just recovering from injury. Winks is still a prospect.
Guyver
05/01/2018 17:06:00
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I agree with Spursex in that Barkley's scar indicates the severeness of his injury and even though medical opinion is that if the operation was carried out almost immediately then professional athletes can recover 100 percent of their abilities it does represent a huge risk. Hopefully for him he will recover fully but if his wage demands are truly unrealistic given his situation and ours then good luck ti him at Chelsea. One point I would question though Spursex is the statement that there are several better, cheaper options around and would be interested who you think might fall into that category. I think Loftus Cheek would be a good buy but doubt Chelsea will sell to us. Personally, I hope we could find some British players to bring in, maybe a Scottish, Irish or Welsh gem as our reported overseas targets do not look inspiring, although Perisic? from Dortmund does look a hell of a player but probably out of our price range.
Harry-Kari
05/01/2018 17:14:00
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Forgot to mention Sissoko, which probably shows how highly I rate him..
Guyver
05/01/2018 17:30:00
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Slightly guttered but more suprised because first I would have thought he would have been a perfect sort of signing for us at that price 15m. He is English, knows our English lads, is raw and still young, the way Poch likes his players, strong as well, and I cannot understand we pay 30m for Sissoko who brings next to nothing and don't take a punt on 15m Barkley, so strange and as I say slightly guttered because I thought he was going to be better than Sissoko.

Now the opposite view. I don't know why Poch changed his mind, if he did, or even if he was interested in him, Poch has never come out and said so, its always been media talk. The gamble is his latest injury, so I admit while I wanted him I also got a little concerned after that nasty injury. So when that happened I dropped a few points from us getting him, so it has softened the blow a bit hearing about this news of him going to Chelsea for this reason. We need fit young players and before his injury he was more of a safe bet. Secondly, could it have been his demands in wages. If it was then its not just about us sticking to our guns, you have to ask what his intentions are - money or ambition. One may say being at Chelsea is ambitious with the added bonus of getting good money, but imo we have a different ambition and its long term with good people who want to improve and want to be part of a group that is trying to do it the decent way in a ugly environment of greed. Lets face it, Barkley has achieved little since he arrived on the scene, and I truly believe our set up was perfect for him, may be his injury and demands, are not perfect for us any more.

One thing for sure Chelsea can afford to take the gamble with his injury we cannot, but can Barkley afford to take the gamble on his career! Haven't heard much about Drinkwater since he went to Chelsea, lets face it Chelsea are a bigger club than Barkley has been used to, so he has a big challenge on his hands imo, will he pass the test, i don't know, could go either way.

Its happened now, we move on, I just hope we have got some concrete ideas and additions joining us because from our last game again we are clearly short of at least three quality players. Another CB, a creative goalscoring midfielder and a striker. When you look at our two CM's whoever we play, non of them score or create much. I don't expect Dier or Wanyama to score many, they are DM's but whoever plays with them should be creating and contributing with goals imo and that should be done by having the ability ti run into the box from deep and be able to see a pass. Winks, Dembele don't do either, i accept winks is still young, but Dembele has this missing in his game and Sissoko, well enough said. So we need that type of player, which I thought might have been Barkley at a knock down price.

if we play wanyama or Dier as a DM then we need someone to fill that role of creating, dribbling and scoring from deep and Llorente isn't going to work out and we are too short at the back so three players by summer please
It'sME
05/01/2018 17:43:00
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Confused by that headline. Who's place would he have taken in Spurs starting lineup? Sissoko?
ForeverUnited
05/01/2018 18:55:00
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More ITK from Hercules.... Whilst I feel *****ed that RB fell through, as we will not deal until summer, for reasons will not share. Rest assured that there is a player all but tied up in similar position, that is likely to cost a good few bob, for summer transfer. I am told that if we had a choice, everyone would opt for this player. No hints as do not want it to go viral. We are very keen on someone from Watford. No hard guesses there, but summer. Let’s wait before we start shooting our Daniel.
Coopsieyid
05/01/2018 18:56:00
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Lol Guyver 17:30. I presumed you didn't even consider him worthy of inclusion.
Gary Onedaysoon
05/01/2018 18:56:00
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What's *****ing me off the most, is people saying £15mil is a ******** steal"... £15mil is just the fee, add that to £100k per week for 5 years (though he's on more than that at Chel$ki) and that fee becomes more than £40mil.

So, £40mil+ for a guy who's shown nothing more than potential, not kicked a ball in more than 5 months & had 2 VERY serious injuries. Only Chel$ki can afford to take £40mil risks & be prepared to just throw the player away.
Coopsieyid
05/01/2018 18:57:00
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From Hertyid - Just got a text about this. His wage demands would have put him ahead of Kane. Levy was prepared to pay it as wages structure will be shifting higher from the summer, but Poch didn't want to set a precedent or upset the squad dynamic. Also big concerns over injury and how much he would play this season.

First time ever Levy has opened his wallet and been shunned?
Coopsieyid
05/01/2018 18:59:00
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Spursex - I am all for knocking the Barkley deal if we have a better alternative in place. Yes, Barkley is a gamble, but there is also significant upside there. The deal would also hinge on a medical so you've got a safety net there. For the 15 million tag, was the gamble not worth it in today's market? I will gladly accept your defense of us not pursuing the deal if we end up doing better. But if we end up signing an even bigger gamble in the form of a foreign import you have to Google, how is that better? (at least Barkley was proven in the PL and we would have only been gambling on his fitness, not his talent or ability to adapt to England). Or worse, do nothing and watch our rivals further strengthen/let the world go by? The Barkley deal isn't perfect or risk free, but it's a limited gamble and it's a lot better than doing nothing.
BelgianSpur
05/01/2018 19:02:00
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The 2010 scenario is a bit removed from now IMO. We're now consistently qualifying for CL if we do it again this year and we don't play gungHo, seat of your pants, they score 9, we'll score 10, Liverpool-style football anymore!
Parklaneyido
05/01/2018 19:13:00
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If it's all about the money for Barkley, then why didn't he just sign for Chelsea in the summer? He would have been on a much better contract than anything Everton have been paying him. If the reason we didn't pursue him this transfer window is because we wanted to assess his fitness before signing him in the summer, then I can understand why he wasn't willing to wait, particularly as he had Chelsea waiting in the wings.
Gary Onedaysoon
05/01/2018 19:28:00
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i don't think we can jump on Levy in fact I am fed up of the Levy bashers. Poch has said so many times he is a good person and good at his job I trust his judgment.

Ok I am little upset and confused as to why Barkley didn't happen but we can't put it down to Levy until we know the facts and we may never know them until he retires.

What if his wage demands were very high or even worse if we got information that his injury was so bad it is likely to be problamatic in the future. Or what if Chelsea decided to up their wages and he wanted to go for the money, non of these are Levy's fault. For sure it looks like something happened because if it was true he truned Chelsea down, was that to have a dig at Everton, make them pay because he apparently wasn't happy how he was treated. I would be upset if I was Everton fan, lost 20m because Chelsea were going to pay 35m in summer and if reports are true he declined only to go to them at a lower price if 15m and they have funded his wages and medical bills since.

Its risky for him and Chelsea and wouldn't suprise me if Conte leaves next summer end of this season if he doesn't win anything and then will the next manager want him or rate him.

Will he get enough playing time to work his way into England squad! have Chelsea signed a crocked player, only time will tell whether its a good match made n Heaven - we will see.

Coops - if there is someone who we are getting that we think will be better choice I hope we see it materilise asap, I am never enjoying our trasfer windows of late, always so mnay players linked to us only to find we get GK, Njie and Sissokos of this world, but Sanchez was great and Llorente I respect but not at his age and not for our style of play.

When is there going to be some announcements I thought we wanted to get signings done early!
It'sME
05/01/2018 21:10:00
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As many have said, Barkley is a gamble. Both because he's a mercurial talent and because of his hamstring problem. In playing terms, I don't think he'll succeed against Chelsea, as they'll be buying more players in the summer, and whilst the money may be good for him, he won't get many opportunities to play. I think Chelsea are trying to recruit young English players for their books, but they don't feature that much. Drinkwater is a squad player there, whilst he was a starter/key player at Leicester. I think we could of afforded to take a gamble on Barkley at £15m as he's suited to our style of play and I think that Spurs would have been a more nurturing environment for him, but he's gone so we have to look elsewhere. We desperately need a box-to-box midfielder or a play maker – someone who can score goals from midfield or create chance from CM, and we also need a winger on the right-flank. I think that's why we brought in Sissoko, but he isn't of the quality we need. I can't really see who we can sign realistically in that mould (especially in January) in those areas, but we if want to win something or definitely make the top 4 this season, we need to spend well this month. I think we'll definitely sign someone, I just hope that it isn't on deadline day.
Fanman
05/01/2018 22:10:00
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Depends on your understanding of 'early' it'sMe. 25th January would qualify in Daniel's book.... it's not as if the newbies will miss a pre-season in January! Anyway, I am not getting hung up about this window.... been let down too many times. Spend too much time googling and youtbing to find out we signed likes of Jannsens and 2 x N' .... they all looked good in their doctored video's.
critical_spur
05/01/2018 22:13:00
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Its going to be difficult to sign a proper deputy for Kane, as the kind of talent we need in his absence actually needs to be capable of scoring and contributing to the team. I think we need to sign someone who can play on the flanks as well as up-front, otherwise we're going to have a quality striker on the bench for most of the games, no decent striker is going to (or should have to) put up with that. Just look at Batshuyi at Chelsea and previously Lukaku. Top young talent rotting on their expensive bench. Why would any young, talented aspiring player choose to join Chelsea? Except for the money of course. The only plus I can see for Barkley is the money. I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves them in the summer.
Fanman
05/01/2018 22:34:00
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Richarlison and decore of watford have caught my eye i wouldn't mind seeing them at spurs. In fact spurs are crying out for a player like Richarlison now. Makes sense what coop says why bring in a squad player and pay him more than nailed on starters a recipe for unrest.
palmover
05/01/2018 22:55:00
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Really like the look of David Neres from Ajax (our feeder club), at just 20 years old, he looks better than fellow Brazilian Malcom (same age) of Bordouex, who we've also been linked with. I think these are the type of players we should be "gambling" on.
Guyver
05/01/2018 23:04:00
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David Neres plays for a big Dutch club as well (like Sanchez) so will be use to playing under pressure, Malcom to a lesser extent at Bordeaux. The fact the elite are sniffing around, as they were with Bale, Berbatov ect, is a good sign also.
Guyver
05/01/2018 23:08:00
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What is the point in sharing ITK stuff that may or may not mean anything about a player that can't be named and who can't come until the summer anyway and for a reasons that cannot be revealed? It's like describing the invisible man to a deaf man who doesn't give a damn.
Hot Tottingham
06/01/2018 02:43:00
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HT, its called gossip, MP said he wants players in for the summer, prior to the WC where prices are inflated if they have a good tournament ... like we were over charged for the muppet sissoko.(still cant understand why we purchased the waste of time and money) .... Coopsie, hes always been good with the ITK .. and long may it continue.
E17YID
06/01/2018 04:31:00
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The whole Barkley thing is hard to explain. Chelsea offer £35m, its accepted by Everton but Barkley turns them down. Later Chelsea offer £15m and he accepts. I don't think he was concerned about saving Chelsea money so all I can think is that Chelsea upped the wages they would pay him. I read a comment from a Chelsea supporter whose theory was that when Spurs and Chelsea go for the same player whoever gets the player in fact loses. He made the point that even in the case of Wilian, who hasn't been bad for them, since it led to De Bruyne leaving Chelsea lost out. Personally I've never really rated Barkley so I'm not losing sleep over it.
jod
06/01/2018 08:11:00
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I just don't understand fans who are trying to dismiss this by saying Barkley is a gamble. He is a gamble, about as much as any transfer ever is. Pointing to the injury is bs. How many players have had a significantly worse injury and come back to perform well? Is everybody just dismissing the fact that Chelsea have a medical team too? As far as a gamble is concerned, RB has played 150 + PL games since his debut in 2011. He is English and a full international at that. How is he a bigger gamble than Sanchez was for example (who had limited senior experience, no PL experience and it was anybody's guess how he would adapt to England)? If the only thing we can point to is an injury which seems to have been treated well, that' hardly much at all. If you don't rate RB and don't think he can improve us, that's fine. Posters like jod have been saying this all along. But to start trying to discredit the deal or the player just because we missed out, I find that ridiculous.
BelgianSpur
06/01/2018 09:58:00
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Seems to me that there three separate things to look at with any potential transfer. First question is whether the player is as good or better than we already have. I'd argue Barkley isn't. Second question is are we short enough in that area of the pitch that we simply need numbers and the player just needs to be good enough to be a squad player. For me at the moment that only applies to strikers as we really don't have any proper backup to Kane. Third question is can we make him a better player, that was the logic behind the Sanchez deal - Poch believes he can make him a world class defender. The fact he's played so many games already wasn't in the original script. A lot of Everton supporters will say Barkley hasn't improved at all since he first got in their team as a teenager. At 24 I'd question whether even Poch could do much with him.
jod
06/01/2018 10:14:00
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Jod - fair points. I don't disagree with you entirely because I have reservations about Barkley too, but many in the football world think that Barkley could yet improve significantly under the right guidance. On current performance you'd struggle to see him dislodge anyone in our best 11, but 2 years of development down the line, who knows? As far as not needing an extra body, that one is more debatable. I don't think we can count on Lamela or Dembele to play in 40+ games anymore. That's why Sissoko is featuring so much - for lack of a better alternative. Do I believe Barkley is a better player than that? Yes. I can see how he could find a place in the tail end of our squad. I would much rather target better players, but we either can't or won't pay what those players cost. I don't know if Barkley is/was anybody's 1st choice but he's better than Sissoko, could have untapped potential and he was within our price range. Who else are we going to target?
BelgianSpur
06/01/2018 10:31:00
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Barkleys problem is consistency, not ability. Similar to Walker, Rose, Son, Lallana ect at a similar age, before working with Poch. This is why we'd have been a perfect move for Barkleys career, imo. i can see him going stale at Chelsea.
Guyver
06/01/2018 10:53:00
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E17, it's nothing personal against Coopsieyid. I just found his post about an unnamed player he can't discuss with us quite funny. ITK, means In The Know and yet we remain completely clueless. That's quite amusing to me...
Hot Tottingham
06/01/2018 10:59:00
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Guyver. That's what I think too. I wish him (if not Chelsea) all the best of luck in his career. I just hope that he doesn't become yet another young player who's talent is mostly wasted because his at a club that can throw a ton of money at him and yet choose not to play him very often because he's not the finished article. There are unfortunately many examples of this happening in the PL and Chelsea are one of the main culprits for it. Especially when it comes to young British talent.
Hot Tottingham
06/01/2018 11:31:00
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BelgianSpur - The problem with signing players as squad players is you've still got to pay them. Not a problem if the player is on relatively low wages but Barkley isn't. If you have a player on high wages who isn't contributing much it can become a morale problem, of course you could make a similar comment about Sissoku. While Poch has improved a lot of players the omens really aren't good with Barkley. The upside of signing a premier league player is he's a known quantity but in Barkley's case what we know suggests he's more about money than wanting to be a better player. I'd agree Dembele is on the way out as the injuries over the years take their toll. With regard to Sissoku's place in the team what I don't get is why Winks seems to have been frozen out lately, if he's good enough to play against Real Madrid why isn't he good enough to play against West Ham ?
jod
06/01/2018 11:36:00
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jod, I'm almost certain that we will be seeing plenty more from Winks at THFC. But in his most recent performances he hasn't played up to his usual standard and seemed to have lost a little confidence...
Hot Tottingham
06/01/2018 11:47:00
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I agree every player is a gamble and to a degree barkelys injury is one as well, but then anyone can get an injury so we can't point to that alone. I wanted Barkely for one reason and that was I thought he had potential that Poch could unlock and would fit in well but I was not under the illusion that he would come in even before injury and make an immediate impact our players are better at the moment. When he came available for the cheap that made the idea of him coming even better because we can't compete for the bigger players. I thought with dembele coming to the end of his carrer as a first teamer and woeful sissoko Barkley would be a good player to try and work with at a low price if we could sort his wages.

I am still confused as to why it hasn't happened. Do I think he will do well at Chelsea, not sure he may or may not. If he can put his injury behind him then I see no reason why he cannot improve but will he get enough playing time there, not sure. Look at Drinkwater and I do think Conte will leave soon, so who will take te reigns next and will they favour someone like barkley or completely prefer better, we just don't know. I just though our environment would have been ideal for him and the deal for us, but who to say it would be and whos to say Chelseas want be, its all speculation.

It's happened, its gone, move on and lets see in time whether it was a 'miss' or 'hit' not getting him.

I think the knives will come out though if we don't sign anyone or we sign someone who fans don't rate. Finally we may be better of signing a player who is better but having said that, at 15m Barkely would have been a gem of a signing imo because 15m is nothing these days.

Good luck to him, we need him to improve and improve the England squad, but don't do it against us when we play Chelsea
It'sME
06/01/2018 11:47:00
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Still, if Barkley is anything like Harry Kane has proved to be, he will know that he is not yet the finished article and will work his nuts off to make sure he plays regularly. The incentives are there, after all.
Hot Tottingham
06/01/2018 12:00:00
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I think winks has degressed a little, and he is playing too safe. His ankle seems to be a little fragile as well, but I expect him to come back stronger, he is on a learning curve, now he has to play without fear. retaining the ball is one thing, but what you do with it. last few games he seems to have lost that cofnidence to make a few runs and move the ball quicjly forward, started ot side and back pass a little too much. i think Hoddle said once he wasn't sure about winks because he wasn't sure what type of player he was going to be. i agree with him. he isn't a box to box poweehouse, he doesn't get into the boxand score, so he isn't a goal scoring midfielder, he isn't really a DM, not big enough imo, so what type of midfielder is he.

if he plays the role of possession and linking the midfield to the offensive players which I think is what he is likely to be, he needs more creatvity and movement on his game and I think that is his next step. dembele is that type of player, retains the ball, the link between midfield and offensive play and we have been saying for so long, he doesn't create or score enough and that is smilar to Winks at the moment imo. He isn't making an impact on play, he is a tidy player and so was carrol and he didn't develop further and didn't make it. i do think winks though is better than Carroll was, he is better in possession and more robust, but still not sure he has enough in his game yet to make enough impact but its early days and he needs to work hard at improving and adding things to his play now.

having said that Sissoko brings next to nothing, but what he does bring is pace and physicality and at the moment with wanyama out sissoko has been given the nod for those attributes espcailly with Dembele being in and out. Poch like and we need some physciality in midfield and that has been sissokos strength but he doesn't do much with the ball when he gets it and is woeful at reading the game, passing etc but he has helped in the absence of Wanyama and Dembele to bring some phsyciality into midfield. Can't see him getting much time once wanyama is back and Toby because then we will have two physical midfieders, wanyama and Dier and Dembele even if not all the time.

For me winks needs some game time in the cups to try and bring his mojo back, confidence but also needs to up his game now he is established, a huge learning curve. Carroll couldn't d it, can Winks, I hope so but lets not get carried away, it was same with Mason, he didn't quite improved enough to hold a place. winks has time but he is certaintly not there yet.
It'sME
06/01/2018 12:01:00
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From what I've seen of Winks so far, I think he's a better passer of the ball than any of our other CMs. I also think he's been handicapped to an extent by having to play deeper this season in Wanyama's absence. In a way it's highlighted his weaknesses and negated his strengths. I'd like to see him in a more advanced role, ideally playing in front of Wanyama, to see if he can provide the creative spark that we need to supply our forwards.
Gary Onedaysoon
06/01/2018 13:17:00
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If he can get a 100k plus that's where he will go, Chelsea can afford to have him as back up
123spurs
06/01/2018 13:54:00
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Rumour has it that Poch wants to sell Sissoko for £30 million. Now, who is daft enough to pay that price? Ooooops, someone did. Levy has sent me "Your Local" to thumb through to look for plumbers or electricians who can play football at a cheap price. Not having much luck but you never know...we have managed to get a few unknowns recently.
wentworth
06/01/2018 15:45:00
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Many good points on the board re: Winks. I think that he has the ability (he can dribble as well), but his confidence doesn't seem to be where it needs to be to make the impact he can. Maybe he's too scared of making a mistake? I don't know if he'll make it with us, but all of the right attributes are there and he's quite a bit better than Carroll/Mason. As Gary points out, maybe with Wanyama next to him he'll flourish. Its up to Poch to get the best out of him. I really want him to achieve his potential, as we could have quite a gem on our hands.
Fanman
06/01/2018 15:48:00
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With sissjoko fee, it wasn't 30 mil outright, it was 5 or 6 mil per year so may not go to 30 mil if we sell him
123spurs
06/01/2018 16:10:00
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Jod - I think you're making a lot of assumptions about Barkley without knowing him. Going to Chelsea may not have only been for financial reasons. By all accounts they were willing to sign him now rather than in 6 months. They are clearly putting more faith in his health than we are, and as a player that has to mean something. As you correctly point out several of our current squad players are on high wages, and is 100k still that much for a squad player at a top 6 club these days, when top players are getting 2.5 or 3 times that? All fair questions to ask.
BelgianSpur
06/01/2018 16:22:00
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What is funny is that in that Sissoko being sold for £30m rumour, Arsenal are said to be one of the clubs keen on landing him. Would that make Wenger more of a fool than Pochettino? And, just as poor a judge in not realising that the lad has no real talent at football whatsoever?
Hot Tottingham
06/01/2018 16:24:00
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Winks is a cert to play tomorrow. A chance for him to really step up and put in a stellar performance if he has Wanyama next to him. Might be a bit difficult to find a striker to pass to because Llorente never seems to look for the ball or run into spaces. Would like to see Kyle Peters get a chance at L.B. and dare we suggest Marcus Edwards if fit. Foyth and Vorm should get games and no doubt Lamela will start...he should do well against Wimbeldon as should Son. We need a strong performance tomorrow as its our only sensible chance of winning some much needed silverware. Maybe we can get some good shots on target tomorrow and someone can hit some decent corners. Watching the transfer window with interest.....its soooo quiet!
wentworth
06/01/2018 16:29:00
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As Jod pointed out is he any better than the players we have at our disposal?. I understand the need for squad depth but i want us to start signing players who will clearly ugrade our first 11, of course not an easy job with our wage restrictions, but not an impossible task either. I also think winks although in bad form at the moment, has the potential to become a lot better than Barkley.
spurfect one
06/01/2018 16:43:00
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What may also be difficult to comprehend for some is that Conte wanted Llorente... It seems that Poch is no better or worse judge than others. :-).... Again, personally I think Llorente is doing well, even if not scoring many goals. He does look for the ball wentworth and his use of space and making space is very intelligent, imo. His movement on and off the ball is good, as is his hold up play and close control. He's also both strong and skilful as a forward on the ground as well as with the head. I've said it before but I will repeat myself... It's not so easy to get in your stride as a player when only making a few minutes playing time here and there. Especially as a striker when the pressure is forever on to score goals.And yet,In the only two matches he has actually started he has scored. (I think). If he were our regular striker and not Harry, I'm willing to bet that he would score at a much greater rate. But, who would know until he has had that chance?
Hot Tottingham
06/01/2018 16:47:00
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I guess we will not know what happened re Barkley or what will happen with him at Chelsea, time will tell on the latter but not sure we will get to the bottom of this transfer any time soon. As for Winks, he still has time but said it earlier he needs to add things to his game. I think good comment re him may be doing better with Wanyama by his side, playing slightly more forward, we will see. Tomorrow I would like to see him play with Wanyama but I expect us to put a strong team out, after the CC we are not going to want to lose this one and be put in the position of being accused that we didn't take this cup seriously when there is so much talk about us winning a trophy. I expect Lamela to start and tbh it wouldn't suprise me to see kane start, we haven't a game for a week and didn't play much against Swansea and didn't push himself too much against Westham. I would have thought GK could get some game time as well may be rest Eriksen. Poor Verts another game I expect can we risk not playing him. Still no signs of any transfers I see. One week in and nothing remotely looks close just usual gossip
It'sME
06/01/2018 16:54:00
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Nothing wrong with lorente, great respect for what he has done, but to get the best out of him he need game time which is hard to come by and service, which he often lacks because we don't play to his strengths. If his mental strength is good and I expect it should be then he may well contribute more as time goes on, get into the grove of being a super sub, but without that pre season he was never going to hit the ground running. If he is prepared to fight and work hard and we can adjust our game accordingly then we may see more from him in time and even more net season, but with his age I doubt we will have more than one more season in him. Plus fitness levels can drop if your not playing especially as you ge older, but Crouch seems to be doing alright, may be Llorente is going to be our Crouch, around for a few years as a bit part player.
It'sME
06/01/2018 17:02:00
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Having lost out on one of our alleged targets Barkley and given Rose's fitness doubts, and apparent desire to leave, can we now have a real go for another in young Sessingon from Fulham, a very versatile young star of the future. Let's see whether our "get our business done early" clam is real, or just another lie.
Frank
06/01/2018 17:10:00
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Barkley wouldn't have "replaced" anybody at Spurs, he would given us another MF option as we have nobody like him, unless of course we are misguided enough to believe that Sissoko can make any meaningful contribution. His pace, power, and ball carrying ability would have offered alternatives against "bus parkers" and it's obvious we need additional squad strength in several key positions.
Frank
06/01/2018 17:19:00
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Frank - I seriously thought Barkley would replace Sissoko in the squad, that we may have held on to Sissoko until summer simply because of Barkleys recovery from injury, but ultimately Sissoko would have gone in summer and barkley would have been his replacement from the squad, not that Sissoko deserves to be in our squad in the first place. Now Courtinho has all but gone for region of 140m we can't compete in this market but I bet Liverpool will replace him with a super star like Sanchez or may Lemar, we sold Bale and got a bunch of average players with one working out in Eriksen, Chadli did ok for that time and Lamela nothing but injuries. Liverppol will reinvest I am sure, mind they have just forked out 75m on a defender so be interesting to see if they will invest in a Courtunhio replacement, I bet they will.I would like Sessenogn even if we keep Rose because he may well be a winger rather than a defender, apparently he can play further up the field.

It's not going to be easy to find players that will improve our first team and that is our problem because quite franly our back ups are not good enough. hard to see what we are going to get in because who do we sell. sissoko, who will buy him. GK hardly kicked a ball. Llorente, no likely unless we get another striker in that want be in January. Dembele, may be but will that be Jan. I think we need to invest without selling actually and then sell in summer the likes of Janssen, GK, sissoko. I thought we wanted to get some deals done in Jan yet no news as yet. I really don't like being a tottenham fan in transfer windows, we are always last to do anything.
It'sME
06/01/2018 18:11:00
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haven't we signed anyone yet
It'sME
06/01/2018 19:08:00
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. We have but I'm not allowed to say who...
Hot Tottingham
06/01/2018 19:36:00
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Our new signings are here and have hit the ground running.... Wanyama + Lamela. Therefore, expect 'one for the future' type of signings. With Rose injured and unlikely to leave in January, i.e., no major incoming funds, some small change would be made available from some fringe sales. Don't be surprised if that's how our business is concluded. Poch will read the page 1 of "I Love Levy" book, "I am happy with the squad"...
critical_spur
06/01/2018 23:57:00
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Sorry Hot T. I have very little faith in Llorente. I have seen every game he has been involved in and except for a lucky offside header, he has done very little. In fact, when he comes on, our game dips because he has no influence on opposing defences. Perhaps we do not play to his strengths; so why play him. Its a waste of a player. He gives the impression of preferring to stay on the bench. A very poor "supersub".
wentworth
07/01/2018 10:20:00
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Hot Tottingham - If Barkley was anything like Harry Kane he would already be one of the world's best players, not just another example of unfulfilled potential. He's 24 not eighteen.
jod
07/01/2018 12:31:00
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That's true..
Hot Tottingham
07/01/2018 12:38:00
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.....And some even saw Harry as a bit of a late developer.
Hot Tottingham
07/01/2018 12:43:00
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Wentworth, Llorente was lucky with the decision, not the header itself. Llorente is already a proven striker and has already done well in the PL. I was pointing out what I have seen in him, throughout his career. I also made a big point of saying that if he played a lot more minutes and had more starts that it's then that I think we would see the best of him. Of course we'll never get to know, if he still doesn't get to play a lot.
Hot Tottingham
07/01/2018 12:49:00
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Hot T. lets hope for a Llorente hat-trick today against weak opposition. No excuses this time.
wentworth
07/01/2018 15:32:00
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