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Spurs: Hindsight Always Comes Too Late

Spurs: Hindsight Always Comes Too Late


I've been following Spurs for close to six decades now and I have to say that this is the worst period of being a THFC supporter throughout this time. Football is all about winning, winning silverware. It's about the accumulation of trophies, the more the merrier. This cannot be stressed enough so I'll say it again; football is all about winning trophies! To serious-minded supporters of any club this is blatantly obvious and shouldn't need to be stated in the first place.

The harsh reality is that THFC has not won a trophy during the current decade and it is simply not acceptable! To say the club is declining would have to be a gross understatement. How any club can continue to operate when its trophy cabinet is not being rejuvenated on a regular basis is beyond me. What is there left to look forward to?

I have to laugh when supporters of this once great but rapidly stagnating club, talk about such topics as; players, tactics, opponents, stadiums, transfers, managers, owners, facilities, parking habits, the media, gossip, etc. What a complete waste of time and energy that has to be. Other supporters mention games or players from bygone days as if that has any relevance or interest. What is the sense of that? How can any of those things be as satisfying as the ability to deftly reach into your wallet, pull out a photo of a glittering trophy, and flash it around for all and sundry to enjoy? That's all that matters. That's what makes the game great!

I have a photo of the 60/61 team posing in front of two beautiful trophies. I watched that team win those trophies. I no longer recognise the people sitting behind the silverware in the photo but those two trophies never fade from memory. The games themselves meant little and were just the means to an end. I remember none of them but, despite the passage of time, I still receive great joy from looking at that photo, hour after hour, and admiring the craftsmanship that went into the creation of those trophies.

Some disheartened supporters, desperate to put a positive spin on a hopeless situation, point to last season's second place finish in the PL as if it was some kind of achievement. But did that put another photo in the wallet for us to enjoy? No doubt, when this season finishes trophy-less, yet more supporters will mention the fact that we finished in top place of our CL group and made mincemeat of the European champions at the same time .... like that has any meaning! Where is the photo? I would gladly lose every game of the season if it meant collecting a trophy at the end of it!

The thought occurs to me that if I had been supporting our red neighbours I would probably have needed a much bigger wallet and could have had so many more silverware photos to give me joy and comfort in my hours of darkness and throughout the bleak trophy-less years that lay ahead. Hindsight always comes late! The sad reality is that, with the absence of silverware, I am doomed to a future where the only enjoyment has to come through watching a game of football instead of developing my photograph collection. And, for me, that is not an option! Anyone got an application form for a Manchester City season ticket?

Geofspurs



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Writer:Geofspurs
Date:Wednesday January 10 2018
Time: 8:09AM

Comments

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It's not like you to be so cynical Geof... Or is it?
Hot Tottingham
10/01/2018 09:17:00
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Some ones stolen Geofspurs login details, i can't believe i agree with you 100%. I do remember Stewart scoring in the cup final and of course Ricky. V's goal is unforgettable, however, the only goalkeeper i remember from a final is Tony parks i will never forget that famous save diving to his right. With all Levy's development he hasn't got the passion, foresight, love that will lead spurs to glory. Kane said cities success isn't down to money alone and i agree with him, i would prefer Kane to do the presses as he talks more sense than MP.
palmover
10/01/2018 09:20:00
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"All things happen in their proper time. Everything in life happens in the time allocated for it. Don't waste energy worrying about end results. Worrying only distracts you from living day to day and enjoying life"! James Van Praagh said that.

Or was it Tim Sherwood?

Hot Tottingham
10/01/2018 09:29:00
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.... Or, maybe it was Kyle Walker.
Hot Tottingham
10/01/2018 09:30:00
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You may ridicule the fans who care about winning all you want, but the bottom line is that football remains a sport with a competitive objective, and the goal of any game is to win it. The higher you go up the echelons of football, the more competitive the environment gets. If anyone wants to watch football for the love of the game, that's fine. I personally don't understand why they choose the most competitive environment in the world (the highest echelon of English football, the deepest top league in the world, and the richest league) to do so, but that's another story. Many fans have gotten disillusioned with modern PL football in recent years, saying that we've lost the essence of the game. These people have turned to lower leagues and/or Sunday leagues to satisfy their need for football, arguing that it's a much purer form of the sport. I recognise that this is an acceptable train of thought. It's not one I share, but I recognise its validity and I see where those people are coming from. Maybe it's agenerational thing but I fully believe that different generations of football fans expect different things from the game. It's time for everyone to look at what the modern PL is like now (ridiculous spending, no time for managers, a constant pursuit of success - often defined by trophies, snoodies, foreign players,....), and make a decision as to whether it's something one enjoys and agrees with or not. But criticising those things yet continuing to watch - something doesn't make sense there.
BelgianSpur
10/01/2018 09:32:00
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Enough of all that mystical bull! I also agree with you 100%, Geof.
Hot Tottingham
10/01/2018 09:33:00
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What a load of rubbish. If you know how to compete with much better funded clubs without a new stadium, developing the players we can't afford to buy etc please tell us. But of course you haven't a clue. Back when I started going regularly to White Hart Lane in the mid seventies there was usually someone standing close to me who at some point, regardless of what was happening on the pitch would start whining about how these players weren't fit to tie the boots of the doubles team. Didn't seem to register with them that that era was long gone and wasn't coming back. This is just another mindless rant, no clue how to achieve what you say you want. If all you want is to support whoever's winning just change your allegiance every few years to whichever team is currently on top.
jod
10/01/2018 09:36:00
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It's not and never will be a generational thing BS. There are young supporters that see it like myself (and Geof) do and there are supporters of my generation or older than myself, that don't.
Hot Tottingham
10/01/2018 09:40:00
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I think I must have been standing next to the same man as jod was back in the 70's.
Hot Tottingham
10/01/2018 09:43:00
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Does anyone really believe this was a serious article?! That's freaky. Palmover, it's nice that we agree but there is no real danger of it happening again. I guess nobody recalls an article entitled 'AVB Out'. jod's comment was spot on, probably because he rarely displays silliness or humour (which have no place in football or life). BS, I'm sorry you feel ridiculed, you shouldn't do that to yourself.
Geofspurs
10/01/2018 10:08:00
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I certainly didn't think you were being serious...... I actually new it was an article from you having just seen the title of it.
Hot Tottingham
10/01/2018 10:17:00
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knew......
Hot Tottingham
10/01/2018 10:18:00
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lol...errrm ok!!!
Ossie
10/01/2018 10:19:00
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What a contrast, this is my best period of being a Spurs Supporter....
Ossie
10/01/2018 10:20:00
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Yes I do, otherwise why would you waste your time writing this, if this is not how you felt..
Ossie
10/01/2018 10:21:00
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Ossie. You don't have to answer of course but we don't know who you are..... How old are you?
Hot Tottingham
10/01/2018 10:22:00
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Thank God for your post at 10:08 Geofspurs. I thought I had lost a soul mate! LOL! I was just about to post a question to you asking how you go about winning trophies without winning...hahahaha. You’ve become a wind up artist today. Truthfully I want to win every bloody game and I rant and rave at every missed opportunity to score when I watch us play. My wife thinks I’m mad, my kids and grand kids laugh at me but it never changes. One day soon I feel I will have the last laugh and run around the house like a madman, screaming “Come on you Spurs”!
jvd
10/01/2018 10:30:00
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im in my 40's
Ossie
10/01/2018 10:34:00
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Cheers... I asked because of you saying it's your best period of being a Spurs supporter.
Hot Tottingham
10/01/2018 10:36:00
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Geof - I don't let articles like this one, or much of anything on VS, get to me. I do however believe, very objectively, that such articles are antagonising. I'm not sure what the purpose of an article like this one is, except possibly trying to drive a wedge between Spurs supporters of different opinions. It's a light-hearted way of mocking supporters who don't see it the way you do, and who enjoy their football differently than you do. It's pointless to me. Half of the people on VS aren't going to understand that you wrote your article tongue in cheek and among those who did, quite a few aren't going to appreciate it. But as long as you're enjoying yourself...
BelgianSpur
10/01/2018 10:49:00
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BS, you do contradict yourself 'It's time for everyone to look at what the modern PL is like now... and make a decision as to whether it's something one enjoys and agrees with or not.' The whole point of the article, which follows on from a discussion on a previous thread, is that it is possible to enjoy watching Spurs and football in general, without winning a trophy. This includes the modern EPL, particularly Spurs's performance over the last two seasons, as a few of us have previously discussed. It's really you who needs to answer your own question. If the only pleasure you can get is through winning a trophy why do you bother watching Spurs or football at all? You speak more like a player or manager than a fan.

Lol, palmover, I thought you were winding Geoff up until I got to the end of your post.
Gary Onedaysoon
10/01/2018 10:52:00
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In keeping with Geoff's fake post ,the latest news is that Kane has agreed to sign for Real Madrid in the summer & Bale [on crutches] will return to us as a makeweight. I'm going for a lie-down.
Greavesaboveall
10/01/2018 10:53:00
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Leicester City are the club we aim to support - Winners! Or just stay with second and third placed Spurs?
camper
10/01/2018 10:53:00
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jvd. That's just how I usually carry on during a match. Regardless of the positivity I may post on here during a match. I should think that all supporters want us to win every game. I never understand what BS or anybody means by thinking this is not so when he writes stuff like: "You may ridicule the fans who care about winning....." Caring or not caring about winning has nothing to do with being philosophical and/or accepting of it when we don't win.
Hot Tottingham
10/01/2018 10:56:00
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...or just simply enjoying the football for what it is.
Hot Tottingham
10/01/2018 10:58:00
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Sorry to go off topic, but it follows on from a recent thread: it's being reported that Chelsea paid around £7m to the agents representing Barkley, almost half the transfer fee.
Gary Onedaysoon
10/01/2018 11:00:00
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Gary - how am I contradicting myself? I crave for trophies and success in a league where trophies and success define who you are. Many pundits have been quick to point out that despite us winning more games, winning more points, scoring more goals and conceding less goals than any other team between 2015-2017, we hadn't won anything. We must not be watching the same news outlets because basically, outside of Spurs fans, nobody cares about any of that. I'd like to see us matter in any conversation, not just a conversation amongst Spurs supporters.
BelgianSpur
10/01/2018 11:02:00
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Greavesaboveall: I've read that it's Modric and not Bale that's coming back to Spurs in exchange for Harry. Also that Harry has DEMANDED in advance, the No.10 shirt that is currently Luka's. It all makes perfect sense to me.....

BS, If those that actually get paid for writing fake news can do it, be taken seriously and get away with it, then I see no problem with Geof's own form of lightheartedness and fakery.

Hot Tottingham
10/01/2018 11:07:00
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jvd ... Obviously you are mad .... but you're not alone!
Geofspurs
10/01/2018 11:09:00
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HT - If only Geof was American and born there, he could be the next President.
BelgianSpur
10/01/2018 11:09:00
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BS, I look forward to you scoring a winning hat trick in the FA cup final this year and bringing the trophy back home to the new WHL.
Hot Tottingham
10/01/2018 11:12:00
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Geofspurs. "A lot of truth is told in jest." I thought you might have had a life changing exp, that made you wish to see spurs lift one more trophy before we all kick the bucket. Jod the accountant really thinks that spurs will be more competitive when the stadium is finished i agree that's when the investment company will hopefully sell making a big profit and an owner who loves football takes over. If Levy stays spurs will remain a selling club and won't win much with this zero net spend policy.
palmover
10/01/2018 11:13:00
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BelgianSpur. Anyone could be the next American President if they have enough bottle, self-belief and arrogance it seems...
Hot Tottingham
10/01/2018 11:14:00
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Gary .... Why does there always have to be one person who understands what's happening and spoils it all by talking a load of sense. It's okay, mate, I forgive you! :-)
Geofspurs
10/01/2018 11:15:00
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palmover ... We will continue to differ. Isn't it great? :-)
Geofspurs
10/01/2018 11:18:00
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I'm off to have lunch with Harry. We'll be discussing his goals, his dreams of Real and the real and negative cost of living his life under the tight reigns of our miserly chairman and what it's really like to not ever have won a trophy. Bye, bye.
Hot Tottingham
10/01/2018 11:19:00
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BS ... Thank you but, in truth, you think too highly of me. I don't seem to be able to extricate my tongue from my cheek at the moment, but I'm working on it.
Geofspurs
10/01/2018 11:21:00
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Ossie .... I never waste my time writing. I write many things for many reasons.
Geofspurs
10/01/2018 11:31:00
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BelgianSpur, it is a contradiction, because your initial post is aimed at those who are generally not enjoying supporting their team in the modern PL era... but that would seemingly be the likes of yourself.
Guyver
10/01/2018 11:38:00
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I believe Daniel has put the Tottenham cockerel on ebay as he quite fancies real leather upholstery in his new Jag.
Greavesaboveall
10/01/2018 11:41:00
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Geoff, you are an utter disgrace, I have paid the first $3 for your city application ... I know the article is in jest completely ... city have all the money in the world, we do not ... I grew up as a child seeing the 80/81 81/82 FA CUP wins, the UEFA Cup won in 84, I recall being 9 not allowed to go yet, I heard the roar from where I lived near Tottenham Marshes ... gave me chills ... I recall being 12 and crying because Coventry beat us 3-2 ... I recall 3 days before my 16th birthday, us demolishing Arsenal 3-1 in 91 14/04/1991... then I recall the dark days of Gerry Francis, Christian Gross, the flair of Ossis in Attack a defence going down quick then Monica lewinski on Clinton ... then I recall the graham trophy return of Hoddle ... then the Jol era ... then , MP comes along ... he has built a solid team ..l sometimes, I do wonder Ismhe the right man, I moan about him and complain of the poor results ... then I think, low wage structure, low transfer budget, got 5,3,2 ( finishes not formation) ... then moves away from the Lane, then transitioning to the new lane next season .. I think, damn we are lucky to have this fella in charge of the team ... yes, we need a couple of key players, yes we need rid of 3/4 .. but this is the best I have seen spurs since the Clive Allen season of 86/87.
E17YID
10/01/2018 11:44:00
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E17YID, top post and excellent article btw Geof, very thought provoking.
Guyver
10/01/2018 11:48:00
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I haven't commented on this site in some time but I cant pass this nonsense by. This article smacks of an author who has gone rotten in his old age, longing for the by-gone days and is feeling overwhelmed with the frustration of watching their sport drift off into the hands of younger generations that just dont get it!

I too remember the days where football was accessible for everyone, not just the elite. When players were men and not diving, injury feigning, rock-stars. I'm able to accept though that the sport is changing, modernising and ultimately becoming more popular. While this may not be a good thing for everyone concerned, its happening whether any of us like it or not.

To claim that the club is "declining", "rapidly stagnating" and "hopeless" is simply incredible given what we've had to endure in the 15 or so years from 1990 onwards. Alan Sugar's reign. Sol Campbell. Celebrating avoiding relegation. The Rivaldo Letter. Signing Chris Armstrong instead of Dennis Bergkamp. Sergei Rebrov. Arsenal Invincibles. Arsenal winning the League at the Lane. What an embarrassing period of our history...but hang on we, won an FA Cup and a league Cup during that time that we could have taken a photo of and put in our wallets to show off (no ones does this btw), which makes the Whole nightmare a success? Complete nonsense.

"I have to laugh when supporters of this once great but rapidly stagnating club, talk about such topics as; players, tactics, opponents, stadiums, transfers, managers, owners, facilities, parking habits, the media, gossip, etc. What a complete waste of time and energy that has to be." Take a moment to digest that this was posted on a forum designed for the discussion of the intricacies and nuances of football (in particularly Tottenham).

I genuinely feel stupider having read that crap.
KierzoSBC
10/01/2018 12:13:00
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I haven't commented on this site in some time but I cant pass this nonsense by. This article smacks of an author who has gone rotten in his old age, longing for the by-gone days and is feeling overwhelmed with the frustration of watching their sport drift off into the hands of younger generations that just dont get it!

I too remember the days where football was accessible for everyone, not just the elite. When players were men and not diving, injury feigning, rock-stars. I'm able to accept though that the sport is changing, modernising and ultimately becoming more popular. While this may not be a good thing for everyone concerned, its happening whether any of us like it or not.

To claim that the club is "declining", "rapidly stagnating" and "hopeless" is simply incredible given what we've had to endure in the 15 or so years from 1990 onwards. Alan Sugar's reign. Sol Campbell. Celebrating avoiding relegation. The Rivaldo Letter. Signing Chris Armstrong instead of Dennis Bergkamp. Sergei Rebrov. Arsenal Invincibles. Arsenal winning the League at the Lane. What an embarrassing period of our history...but hang on we, won an FA Cup and a league Cup during that time that we could have taken a photo of and put in our wallets to show off (no ones does this btw), which makes the Whole nightmare a success? Complete nonsense.

"I have to laugh when supporters of this once great but rapidly stagnating club, talk about such topics as; players, tactics, opponents, stadiums, transfers, managers, owners, facilities, parking habits, the media, gossip, etc. What a complete waste of time and energy that has to be." Take a moment to digest that this was posted on a forum designed for the discussion of the intricacies and nuances of football (in particularly Tottenham).

I genuinely feel stupider having read that crap.
KierzoSBC
10/01/2018 12:13:00
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So good it posted twice... :/
KierzoSBC
10/01/2018 12:16:00
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stupider? Is that a word?
Hot Tottingham
10/01/2018 12:21:00
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Welcome back KierzoSBC, but i think you missed the sarcasm in the article.
Guyver
10/01/2018 12:22:00
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KierzoSBC. You should or could perhaps give some of your thoughts on the season so far, Harry, Pochettino? CL, FA cup? ... That would be interesting to read.
Hot Tottingham
10/01/2018 12:26:00
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Guyver - There is a big difference between being loyal to a team but disliking the direction in which the overall game is going (and the obsession with trophies etc) and being loyal to a team and actually embracing the ever-competitive nature of the environment it operates in. In both cases, you enjoy watching the team. If in your logic, pointing out this difference is somehow contradicting myself, Understanding that nuance is seemingly beyond the likes of yourself, apparently.
BelgianSpur
10/01/2018 12:46:00
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well I guess someone has too much time on their hands, maybe I should have read the whole article it seems not just the first paragraph, but nah.....Any Spurs related topics to talk about??
Ossie
10/01/2018 12:51:00
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BelgianSpur, it must be beyond me, because honestly, I no longer have any idea what you are on about. But back on topic, I really enjoyed last season despite no trophy.
Guyver
10/01/2018 12:56:00
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Gotta love football, lads! :-)
Geofspurs
10/01/2018 13:15:00
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I agree with E17YID the 87 team were very good, and at least the equals of MP's teams and were genuinely unlucky not to pick up a trophy, unlike the present team that has a manager that doesn't know how to win and plays anybody he likes in important games and expects to win. Meh.
palmover
10/01/2018 13:17:00
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palmover .... It's a game of peaks and troughs. I'm sure there will be a Spurs team in the future that will match anything that has gone before. Unfortunately there are no guarantees about who will be around to see it. In the meantime, at least the football is exciting and entertaining, That can't be bad.
Geofspurs
10/01/2018 13:46:00
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Ha ha Geof...Nice one! I just logged in and read the article and then a few earlier posts. Of course I saw all the exclamation marks within your article and knew what you meant!!!! Got the forum lively though. COYS!
Critical_Spur
10/01/2018 14:28:00
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Cheers CS ... I love the line, 'I would gladly lose every game of the season if it meant collecting a trophy at the end of it!' I thought it would be impossible for anyone to take the article seriously with a line like that in it .... I was wrong! lol
Geofspurs
10/01/2018 14:46:00
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Really love this article for the comments it has caused. Can’t wait for the weekend. Obviously we won’t be players in the TW so might as well look at football. Right!?
jvd
10/01/2018 14:53:00
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BS ... I've just read through the comments again and find that I may agree with you about football being a generational game. I'll let you know for sure when I grow up .... although I do tend to think that the reason people of every generation enjoy watching PL football is because PL football is the best football for every generation to watch. But surely it can't be that simple?
Geofspurs
10/01/2018 14:56:00
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Geof - you've also had the luck of seeing your favourite team win things consistently, something the younger generations may not have. You can cross that item off your list. Depending on hen you become a fan, and how successful the team you have chosen is in that period, one may have very different expectations. In the last 10 or so years, PL clubs haven't exactly dominated European football. While it is a deep league, the PL hasn't always been blessed with the very best teams in recent years. Knowing that we have struggled to win things in England, let alone Europe, it does put any positive results in context. Knowing that in the past, some of you have seen Spurs be not only a force domestically but at European level too, I can't help but conclude that we are far from the heights that the club has hit in the past. You're right, it is a game of peaks and troughs, but no matter how high some posters think we are, there are many higher peaks to reach yet.
BelgianSpur
10/01/2018 15:18:00
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Guyver - so you chose to comment in an exchange you understood nothing about? That says more about you than anything else, really. Glad you enjoyed the football last year. I hear Burnley fans really enjoyed last season too. I like to think that beyond just enjoying the football, what separates a team just content with finishing mid table and a team with ambition is the relentless pursuit of trophies.
BelgianSpur
10/01/2018 15:27:00
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Great article! Highlights just how football has become for many fans: this perception that it's only about trophies... It's not. The Goons down the road have won 3 trophies in the last 4 years, yet still want their manager out, and have done for some time. Why? Because they're not able to sustain a genuine league challenge, and it's as simply as that. The players have had their bus parade, their photos taken with silverware and the fans coming out en masse to celebrate, but then the #WengerOut brigade start their chants again soon after. Spurs have made more progress in the last 2 seasons than we had done for the last 2 decades. How can you achieve 2 consecutive personal bests in league finishes, including back to back CL qualification for the first time (which shows we are still not a CL regular yet) but somehow some fans think we have a Hod-given right to be compared to historical "Big 4" or City..... Those that think we have a squad of ready made players perhaps, which is simply unrealistic..... Wage bills of £120m (Spurs) compared to Liverpool's £200m or Utd's £250m seem to be casually ignored and an (unrealistic, imo) expectation seems to have caused some "fans" to see no light at the end of the tunnel.... I suppose it's how we define success: Was Juande Ramos successful because he won League Cup? He did try to get us relegated.... Would an FA Cup and 5th in the league be successful? It didn't make the Goons, or Utd (Van Gaal) fans happy enough to want to keep their managers.... I've always been a believer that teams that consistently challenge in the league go on to challenge for trophies consistently (Big 4 and City). Leicester won the league with the aid of magic (and fair play to them) but given the 3000/1 odds I don't think many, if any, clubs will be using them as a template for success seeing as they're not likely to challenge for the league again any time soon.... There is only one team that has consistently punched above their weight, which is Spurs, to be able to mix it at the top of the table. Some will point to Burnley, being in the top 7. Will they stay there? Maybe. Have they done it consistently for more the heh an one season? No, so let's not use them until they have done that. Any others? It doesn't appear so. If it was simply down to trophies "Them down the road" would be wearing nothing but smiles last summer, but they weren't. It's not all about trophies. If Crystal Palace managed to get 9th in the league for 3 seasons they'd view it as successful because football is about 'relative' success. This is why we love Giant-Killing in the FA Cup. This is why many were vexed at Chelsea and City, because they moved the goal posts after their cash injections skewed the playing field/transfer market, unlike Utd who earned their cash.... In the last 2 seasons we have set more personal best records as a club than we had done for 20+ years (league finish, goals scored, conceded, wins in a season and points). We were unfortunate that Leicester's magic and a non-Europe Chelsea pipped us, but honestly, if someone told you at the start of Poch's tenure that we would be challenging for the league CONSISTENTLY after his first season, most would've seen that as unrealistic. There's a big difference between hope and a realistic expectation. It appears some can't tell the difference.... Just remember, the FA Cup win didn't paper over the cracks at Utd or Arsenal. I don't just want Spurs to win a trophy, I want us competing for years to come, which I think our plan appears to be and that will be achieved by consistently challenging for the league.... COS!
melloSPUR
10/01/2018 15:34:00
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BelgianSpur, I just think you went off topic in an attempt to rectify your obvious contradiction. Seems to me like the obsession for trophies is ruining the experience for a few supporters, although it looks like you are in the minority. The vast majority of football clubs go into a season knowing they will almost certainly not win or even compete for a trophy. So outside of our little bubble, for the most part, winning a trophy isn't even worthy of discussion for most football fans, let alone something to obsess over. Yet their fans still manage to enjoy a "good" season, whether that's a mid-table finish or premiership survival. Everyone wants the club to win trophies, but surely a good, enjoyable season does not have to include winning one. Thats the attitude this article is mocking.
Guyver
10/01/2018 15:57:00
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melloSPUR spot on. I know we wear white, but we're not Real Madrid (yet) despite what some seem to think.
Guyver
10/01/2018 16:01:00
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I'm with Geoff on this. 51 available domestic trophies this millennium and 3 of our clubs have won CL and 3 EL. When you look at the English clubs that have won these 57 trophies then we are one of 7 clubs with just one trophy - Spurs, Birmingham, Swansea, Boro, Blackburn, Wigan, Pompey. The next is Leicester with 2, i.e. a league trophy and league cup. After that we're down to City 5, Liverpool 7, Arsenal 8, Chelsea 15, Utd 16. It doesn't make great reading for Spurs who always call themselves a Top 6 club, but in reality are as sporadic as the smaller clubs when it comes to actual silverware. Surely, only Everton fans could feel worse?
muttley
10/01/2018 16:11:00
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We were challenging Leicester to a point as it finished around 10 points behind them and lost out to 2nd place to le arse to fin 3rd. If a club like us can't win a trophy once in awhile then what's our goals. If we can win the fa cup it wud give the players and manger belief, if u say we are punching above our weight we have no chance of competing for the league yet u want us to compete for the league.
123spurs
10/01/2018 16:40:00
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melloSpur - the Arsenal fans want Wenger out because after a period of domination in the late 90's early 2000's (they went the whole season undefeated in 2004, for goodness' sake), the trophies dried up for a while (despite accumulating 16 consecutive CL seasons in the process). Eventually, the fans decided that this was no longer good enough and they now want Wenger out. I say be careful what you wish for, because whoever comes next may struggle to even replicate what Wenger has done in the last years. Once your club is established at top 4 level, fan expectations increase. However, for us, we haven't exactly been blessed with the track record of Arsenal in the last 10 years. There may come a time when being perennial CL participants is no longer enough, but we're not there yet and a simple FA Cup win would still be significantly better than anything we've done in the last 10 years. Comparing us to Arsenal or Man U is pointless because given their recent track records, they can have the attitude of judging 5th and a FA cup a poor season. For us, given our inability to systematically finish in the top 4 and/or win trophies, 5th and the FA Cup would still be an awesome season. Man U finished 6th last year but won 2 trophies in the process, and they're in the CL just like us. I'd argue they've had the better season.
BelgianSpur
10/01/2018 16:46:00
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Guyver - I like to think our club, with its current status in the so-called "top 6", should absolutely be in the conversation/aiming for a trophy every single year. It's no good comparing us to 99% of clubs if 99% of clubs have very different objectives. Maybe survival or mid table finishes are the ambition of those clubs - it is not ours and that's very well documented. At top 6 level, I happen to believe that every single manager is tasked with winning things sooner rather than later (and by all accounts, that assumption is right, given how quickly top 6 managers who do not, get the sack). So if the boards of said top 6 clubs expect trophies, that creates expectations with fans. I don't believe I'm in the minority (certainly not if VS is a fair representation), and I don't think having ambition ruins football at all. You may lack it and remain pleased with modest achievements - to each his own is all I have to say. I still fail to see how having the same objectives as our club's board is a contradiction, and how having ambitious expectations is somehow mutually exclusive to enjoying football, but if it makes sense to you, all is good.
BelgianSpur
10/01/2018 16:59:00
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123 .... I think there is a difference between competing for something, winning it, or not even being in the mix for it. Winning something is obviously the next step for THFC. Currently we are at the stage where the media and other football clubs and supporters now consistently talk about Spurs as possible contenders. As long as we continue to be seen as contenders and do not drop out of the reckoning we will be consolidating the progress we have achieved. It seems to me that we are at the place where clubs such as Everton, Burnley and Leicester aspire to be. But, as I said, the next step forward is to win a competition.
Geofspurs
10/01/2018 17:01:00
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I'm looking forward to watching Burnley now they have N'koudou on the wing. I think he's going to make a few people at Spurs look a bit stupid. Well ,that's what I'm hoping! Tee hee.
Greavesaboveall
10/01/2018 17:08:00
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I thought you might go down that road BS, accusing me of "lacking ambition" (as if im a manager, or player) hence I intentionally wrote "We all want to win trophies" which I'd like to think negates most of your response. But until we start spending like the "top 5" then there is no top 6. The correlation between money and success in this era, is too strong for me to go into every season expecting trophies. Being realistic allows me to enjoy a season like 16/17, even if we don't win a trophy. I believe most Spurs fans, like myself, enjoyed last season despite not winning anything. I see no reason to raise the bar at this point. We've just achieved two consecutive top 4 finishes for the 1st time in EPL history and the 1st time since 1982. One step at a time.
Guyver
10/01/2018 17:24:00
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And of course we should be aiming for trophies, (so should every club) but that is the point being made here.
Guyver
10/01/2018 17:34:00
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isn't*
Guyver
10/01/2018 17:35:00
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Luke Shaw and Herrera for me for free
123spurs
10/01/2018 19:20:00
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BelgianSpur, if we don't have the same results as arsenal or Utd over the last 10-15 years then how do you calculate our realistic expectations should be to win a trophy or you couldn't be happy as we didn't win one, despite coming a genuine 2nd? Sounds contradictory if you're saying 5th + FA Cup would be awesome? 2 years coming 3rd and 2nd don't really add up to not "systematically finishing in top 4" given it's what we have done. Arsenal were never the dominant team in the Prem, despite an unbeaten season; they became consistent challengers/contenders for the title, something they haven't been since they won it in 2004. 2 years after that they were challenging Spurs for 4th spot and haven't looked like winning the league after Feb/March since then. THIS is the reason: Their league challenges have been inconsistent and flaky. Winning 3 of the 4 last FA Cups, if it was down to simply saying win trophies, would've appeased the fans, but they expect their team to challenge for the league. It doesn't mean they will win it, but simply put: they're not in the right fight that they expect and that is for the league. It was said Lloris etc would leave if we didn't make CL football. We make it 2 years on the trot, with massive improvement, and then it becomes "can't win a trophy" which is quite farcical in my opinion..... Season expectations over the last 5 years - 2014/15: top 6... 2015/16: CL spot challenge... 2016/17: CL spot challenge... 2017/18: CL spot challenge. Winning a trophy would be a bonus, but the true measure of a team is through the league. I agree Man Utd had a better season than us last year, although it was salvaged, but fair play to them. Question: did Arsenal have a better season than us? From what you've said I'll assume they did because you said it would be awesome and coming 2nd is less than that.
melloSPUR
10/01/2018 19:26:00
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Didn't enjoy losing a very winnable fa cup semi due to MP's stupid decisions.
palmover
10/01/2018 19:45:00
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