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Player Ratings v Monaco

Monaco
2 - 1
Tottenham

Stade Louis II

22/11/16

Attendance: 13,100

Referee:

Tottenham whimpered out of the Champions League at the group stages and with one game remaining last night following a poor performance away in Monaco.

The home side, who had the better of the first half, saw a penalty from Radamel Falcao saved well by Hugo Lloris after Eric Dier had brought down Fabinho.

Goalless after the first 45 and with Spurs riding their luck Dijbril Sidibe popped up in the area and headed a bullet past helpless Lloris from six yards three minutes after the break to put Monaco in front and deservedly so.

Harry Kane levelled with a well-taken penalty on 52 minutes after Dele Alli was hauled down by Kamil Glik.

Having equalised and a mere 38 seconds later Monaco found themselves in front again through Thomas Lemar, who fired into the bottom right corner of the goal in acres of space inside the area. Poor old Lloris was left stranded when his so-called defenders let him and their fellow teammates down.

We have no one else to blame but ourselves for our Champions League exit - the thing is and what annoys me but who would have thought we may end the group stages at the bottom of the pile when the draw was originally made.

Europa League awaits and regular Thursday night football could be the order of the day if we beat CSKA Moscow on Wednesday 7 December. On the other hand, we could exit European football all together for another season. Which would you prefer?

Player Ratings


Hugo Lloris 7

Saved a penalty and possibly made the save of the tournament with a sublime reflex stop from Glik. Without Hugo Monaco would have probably scored a hatful. Our star player.

Kieran Trippier 5

Was out of position more than once - nothing to write home about?

Eric Dier 5

At times looked similar to a rabbit when dazzled in headlights. He froze at times then occasionally run-round like a headless chicken. At fault for fouling Fabinho in the penalty area. Thank goodness Hugo was on top form.

Kevin Wimmer 5

Not exactly on scintillating form. Struggled at times to keep up with the pace.

Danny Rose 5.5

Caught ball-watching when Djibril Sidibe walked past him (exaggeration but not too far off the mark) to set up Lemar's goal.

Victor Wanyama 5

Similar to Kieran Trippier, Eric Dier and Wimmer's performance. Dire!

Mousa Dembele 5

Booked for a cynical foul - wasn't his usual self.

Dele Alli 6

Won the penalty when Kamil Glik hauled him down in the penalty area. Huffed and puffed and played for the cause!

Harry Winks 4.5

Played a blinder against West Ham at the weekend but failed to impress and embarrassingly skinned by Mendy for the opening Monaco goal.

Heung-Min Son 3.5

He couldn't work out his left foot from his right. Poor decision making - awful performance.

Harry Kane 6.5

Blasted home from the spot (nice one Harry) - ran his socks off but with little support he was often left up front on his own.

Vincent Janssen 4.5

Had 25 minutes to impress - failed miserably.

Christian Eriksen 4.5

As Janssen.

Moussa Sissoko 5

Looked comfortable on the ball but that was it.


Writer:Tino
Date:Wednesday November 23 2016
Time: 8:15AM

Comments

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No question, finish fourth, avoid the Europa. We've already made as much from our pathetic display in the champions league as we would winning the Europa, not that English clubs ever win it. Liverpool and Chelsea are playing once week, we'd stand a much better chance of being able to compete if we were doing the same. Unfortunately I don't think that is what will actually happen.
jod
23/11/2016 08:22:00
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Whoever decided Sissoko was worth £30 million. I thought signing players who had one good game (Sometimes Against us ) had gone. When 50000 Newcastle fans are pleased to see him leave our scouting team should be replaced pronto. Was David Pleat involved?. Pochettino or any "football" person would not have demanded this transfer. Danny Rose going forward so often costs us more than is gained, I am still not a Dembele fan - pass back , pass sideways, stay away from attacking positions etc. style of play, . I would not miss Dembele or Sissoko, but hopefully they play great for the rest of the season with a few match winning performances.
camper
23/11/2016 09:05:00
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I know we're disappointed about the team performance, but let's be fair to Lloris when handing out scores. If he got a 7, then it was 7 out of 7, not 10 !!!
muttley
23/11/2016 09:26:00
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Lloris 7/10 wow, did u give the other 3 to son by mistake ;)
E17YID
23/11/2016 09:54:00
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Ditto re Lloris, worth at least a 9. I thought Winks was worth more than 4.5 ... at least his movement was toward the opposition goal!
Geofspurs
23/11/2016 10:05:00
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If Son gets a player rating of 3.5, I'll give Poch a manager rating the same...3.5.
shedboy2
23/11/2016 10:08:00
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When the whole team play badly - it's not a bad day at the office - look in the office and you'll see the problem sitting at the manager's desk.
shedboy2
23/11/2016 10:10:00
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You will find my player rating quite critical however, I agree, I could have been more generous over Hugo's ratings. Perhaps 7.5 would have been appropriate. If I were to do them again Son would have received minus 0.5!! In addition, in the future I may give points to Poch. Tactical awareness etc taken into consideration. Just out of curiosity, what would you have given Poch, out of a maximum 10?
Tino
23/11/2016 10:15:00
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Poch would have got 3 out of 10. He picked the wrong team and then gave 3 of them license not to drop deep and defend. That put too much pressure on Wanyama, Winks and Dembele. Worst though, he let their full backs run riot and never once the entire game did anything to change that. It was probably his worst performance since he's been at the club. Mike Bassett would have done better.
muttley
23/11/2016 10:20:00
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shedboy2 - I agree that it was Poch's job and he was unable to balance both EPL and CL. It wasn't just a bad day at office, the whole CL adventure went badly. We should chalk it down to experience, learn from it, get our league form right and concentrate on finishing as high as possible. With Walker and Vertonghen on the bench, it was clear that we were resting players for Chelsea. The best CL sides play strong lineups for both competitions and manage to rest the players more cleverly. Poch will learn. Don't forget that he is immensely new at CL.
TonyRich
23/11/2016 10:21:00
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I thought Winks did OK particularly 1st half but faded a little in a faltering system which also left Demerol wondering to stick or twist. I thought Alli was poor first half but found more rhythm in the second, the back4 looked like they don't normally play together and weren't sure if wanyama was going to drop into the middle or not...Rose played his normally way but the system around him had changed leaving gaps...Trippier is better than that going forward and needs to show more power defensively...Son is a decent player (nothing more or less) but had a bad game...Kane needs to get his sharpness back but there were encouraging signs...where was the pressing? where was the team play? the pattern of play? imo Poch had them confused...as he's done to Eriksen lately who imo isn't anywhere near as poor as pundits are saying this term just being fecked about by the manager...and to un-leash Janssen when we need a goal is like setting a toothless yorkshire terrier on a burglar!
shedboy2
23/11/2016 10:23:00
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yep TR- he is learning...just a bit too slowly...finish outside of top4 this year and our revenue will drop, our attractiveness to players will diminish and at least one of our direct oppo's will gain the advantage...then we try and hang on to Kane, Lamela, Lloris, Alli ...while financing ENIC's pension plan so expect a key player or two to be sold...
shedboy2
23/11/2016 10:27:00
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Muttley - Mike Basset - we might just about to be able to get him before England need him to haul them out of a Southgate mess...;)
shedboy2
23/11/2016 10:31:00
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When you go into the Champions League you should strengthen the side.Who thought that Sissoko,Jannsen,N'Kouwho, would be an improvement on Lennon,Townsend,Chadli & Siggy?The scouting ethos at Spurs is rotten to the core.
Greavesaboveall
23/11/2016 10:57:00
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shedboy2 - well I do not think that Poch is learning too slowly. If we finish outside 4th, it would be fair enough that there are 4 teams doing better than us. No manager persistently finishes higher and higher. I do believe that we still have a good chance of finishing top 4. We haven't played too well, yet 4 points off top, unbeaten, with the best defensive record and despite under-scoring, we have the 5th highest goals scored. Now that CL is outta the way, we can tweak the league performances. We were never going to win the CL, so it was not worth jeopardising league position for CL performance. Rather be in our position than Leicester's. who have done better in CL, but are 2 points off bottom 3 in league. However that is not saying that we couldn't have managed both comps better.
TonyRich
23/11/2016 11:32:00
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IMO, you can blame everyone and everything about yesterdays result + performance, but the crux of the matter is that we screwed up big style in the two matches on our 'home' ground in front of 90,000+ crowds. We should never have been put in to a position of requiring a win in Monaco. It was almost like chasing Leicester last season. The damage was done in the earlier games and we were always playing catch up. Trying to get a mish mash mix of players to perform for a must win under pressure was a big ask. CL is over, a big let down. But lessons learnt?...not sure as we didn't learn anything from our EL experience of last season.
Critical_Spur
23/11/2016 11:53:00
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How long must the rose tinted glasses regarding Dembele and others last ? Aren't the likes of Dele Dier Dembele Wanyama Rose Kane not meant to be the more experienced players and show some sort of leadership on the field ? As far as effectiveness goes - they were diabolical and that's being generous. Expect leadership from the experienced at times like these - not hide. To judge Winks lower than the experienced surely is a tad off beam. Anyway this particular journey is over - onto the EL FAC and the EPL.
Highgatespur
23/11/2016 12:05:00
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I think I’m repeating myself but the fact is that last season we had a settled team and they performed well by following the managers directions. So far this season we have not had a settled team due to injuries so why would anyone expect us to perform at the same level. Some of you are way too anxious to point the finger and blame someone, which I understand ... but why Mauricio? The players know what they have to do. They showed that last season. The manager can’t do much about poor or under-par performances from the players ... and there are quite a few at the moment. Some of our squad simply have to lift their game. We all know what they are capable of. We still can’t compete with the clubs above us in terms of squad depth and quality so it is what it is. I think we need to see what happens when everyone is fit and we can field the same team for a few games like we did last season. We play Chelsea away next. It’s pretty bloody obvious who the favourite will be, and for good reason. I believe we can win it or at least get something from it but losing on their ground is no disaster. I wonder who will spit the dummy and start the ‘Poch out’ chant if we lose.
Geofspurs
23/11/2016 13:03:00
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I certainly am not calling out for a new manager - far from it Geof. For those who read my posts will be aware where I lay the blame Geof - we have not been waiting for the likes of Dele Eriksen Dembele Lamela to recover from any long term injuries. To date we have the BEST defence in the country. Going to the game on Saturday and I am sure the team will turn up with full of optimism just like us.
Highgatespur
23/11/2016 13:16:00
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Yes, High, I know. I just get a bit frustrated with 'hindsight experts'.
Geofspurs
23/11/2016 13:26:00
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The same here, Geof.
Highgatespur
23/11/2016 13:31:00
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One thing I noticed last night is how technically poor we were compared to Monaco - And Leverkusen for that matter. We have several powerful players but are badly lacking the quality required at Champions League level. I think Poch's ethos does not suit the more sophisticated style of the Champions League. As many have suggested, it makes £30m on Sissoko even more puzzling. Poch's team selection throughout the competition makes clearly indicates that the league was more of a priority which to me is crazy. If you are in a competition then try to win it. I think the fans have been let down here. It is now time for Poch to show how good he is as a manager. With the players clearly lacking last season's energy levels (for me that's down the the mental effects of last season's collapse, the mental and physical effects of the Euros and the disasterous pre-season where the majority of the squad barely played 90 minutes) can he find a way to coax the team back to form. I think the bus will be well and truly parked on Saturday and I agree with Highgate - CCV should play on Saturday. At least he is strong and committed and won't be bullied by Costa - Wimmer almost certainly will be. Still lots to be posotive about - despite our poor performances we are only a point off the top four and we still have a great young squad. COYS
DoncasterHotspur
23/11/2016 13:45:00
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Sorry Geof, as much as I agree with most of what you said at 13:03, but why should the manager escape any criticism? Surely it's his job to coach, tactically plan and organise execution of the philosophy. Taking last night's match for example, there was no animated direction from the manager. Presumably he spoke with them at half time but we saw no change in our play, even the subs failed to make any difference. You see likes of Conte, Klopp and even Poulis continually directing players during the play. Has poch made a pact that he is only allowed to relay instructions pre-match and at half time? The problems are wide ranging, but surely the remedial prompting should start from the man in charge.
Critical_Spur
23/11/2016 13:50:00
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I am with Highgate in that Poch realised we were chasing a lost cause. 'Given up the ghost'. It mirrored our approach to that in the EL last season.
Critical_Spur
23/11/2016 13:52:00
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I think we might be underplaying the Wembley factor. In the 2 seasons that Arsenal played there, they failed to get past the group stages on both occasions. Short term it makes the Champions League even more difficult than it already is. Long term it must have an impact on the players confidence. Doesn't bode well for next season..
Guyver
23/11/2016 13:56:00
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Don't agree with ratings. Lloris for me should be at least a 8. Dier was slightly better than Wimmer even though he started poor. Rose tried harder than the rating suggests.
TH4Life
23/11/2016 14:07:00
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As far as the CL is concerned I feel DoncasterHotspur hit the nail on its head with 'I think the fans have been let down here.' That feeling started at 1908 when I read the selected team - invoking the horrid memories of Dortmund. Not that often I feel 'oh no' of late about Spurs - not a comfortable one.
Highgatespur
23/11/2016 14:09:00
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Guyver, the tension of Wembley is closer than next season: would we play there for the EL? For me - three consecutive defeats in the CL is not negotiable - more fodder for the naysayers has to be avoided.
Highgatespur
23/11/2016 14:14:00
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Critical .... I know what you mean and agree that managers can be criticised for their use of the bench. There have certainly been a few times when I’ve disagreed with the way he’s used ours. But in all honesty I don’t know how he could have changed the Monaco game with so many players under-performing. We needed at least 6 subs to make a difference. It was just a poor team performance. I don’t blame MP for the stupid mistakes our players made during the game ... especially as they don’t, as a rule, generally make such mistakes. The blame belongs to them. Hopefully the one good thing that will come out of it will be the desire to make up for it at Chelsea. I just hope we are competitive against them because if I abuse my TV set anymore it will refuse to work!
Geofspurs
23/11/2016 14:20:00
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Well HGS, after Arsenal failed to get past the CL group stages, they were relegated to the UEFA Cup where they played their home games at Highbury, instead of Wembley. They reached the final and lost on pens. I assumed we might do the same. Playing at Wembley vs some of the teams we could face in the Europa wouldn't make sense imo. That being said, we might not qualify for the EL anyway, which would be completely fine with me as Ive never been a fan of CL drop outs playing in the Europa.
Guyver
23/11/2016 14:22:00
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Having refledcted on last night and this season I am still unsure what is happening. I do question Poch attitude towards European football. A must win game and he plays a kid who has one PL experience in the starting 11 of a CL game, very strange. I can understand resting players, so Walker yes, but Vertinghen in such a cruicial match is beyond me as well. If he wanted Wimmer to play then I would have gone three at the back and played wing backs. Wimmer in and Vertonghen out and Winks in was madness, I think Poch got it wrong.

I also think we can see Son now as being a impact player on the left. He started on the right and was poor, but his overall game is woeful at times, except for those early games.

The way I see it is we needed to play our strongest team regardless on Chelsea. We can make PL points up, but we couldn't in the CL.

However, the problems were just not last night, its been all season. Players are not performing and that is what needs to be resolved. We haven't seen Eriksen, Lamela, Son, Dier, Dembele, Dele turn up this season. Kane has been out and is just returning, so we can't question him yet. Our style of play has changed. I don't see any urgency, high press and I wonder whether the efforts of last seasons is causing this season hangover. They worked hard last season, physically and mentally and it seems to me they just haven't got it at the moment.

However, consider this: last season, Dier, Eriksen, Rose, Walker, all got new contracts, all had things to prove, and Son was wanting to prove himself, Kane was as well, after doing so well in his first season, prove people he wasn;t a one season wonder. lamela wanted to prove he was a flop after two poor seasons. Has the something to prove gone out of the window. I don't hear anything about Lamela signing a new contract, Son was on the verge of leaving, have these two players sreached their peak in terms of PL status, are these two looking to play elswhere next season, hence they are not improving this season. Has complacency stepped in with the lads that have signed contracts. I don't know but there is obviously a problem.

Then we have brought very poor in the summer. We have to have some really bad scouts or is it Levy! Everyone know how I feel about spending on Sissoko, but GK is he any better than Njie and Janssen has got me concerned now, he isn't a cover for Kane, he has had the opportunity and hasn't managed to score in open play. Back to over relying on Kane again.

Finally I wonder whether Poch secretly wants to win the PL and he played a weaker inexpereinced side last night as he did in Europa last season. Is that the TRUE aim of the manager and board, even if it isn't the players ambition!.

Now we have only the PL and FA cup, many of these players will not get much game time, what was the point in buying Sissoko for so much if we go out of the CL in the group stages, will we need such a inflated squad especially if we go out of the FA cup early.

My guess now is Poch will work on PL title hopes, but I can't see us even getting top four with the curren performances unless we buy another goal scorer and creative player, but can't see that happening in January.

For me I think the hunger has gone, is that due to the current youngsters coming through not having enough guts and character. When I think of Mason, he wasn't the best player but he had tottenham in his heart, he wanted it, just like Kane did. Look at Kanes mentality, his guts and determination he showed when he weas trying to break through, can we say, Onamah or any of the others have the same guts and determnination, or even more so that strength of character! I don't see leaders in the squad and I don't see the gutsy players in the youngsters, they are 'nice boys', like the senior players 'nice men', for me Kane has something in his mindset that others don't except Lloris, may be Verts on a good day and of late.

We need a leader on the pitch and we need some idienty back, its lost imo
TH4Life
23/11/2016 14:26:00
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We needed two wins to qualify for the next stage - we had ONE chance to do that last night ... for that a team that fit the challenge needed to be chosen - the likes of Verts Walker needed to be in that team. Besides the philosophy of the next game is the most important - the possibility of 3 lost points of being gained back will be there for 25 more games whereas there are NO games left to rectify the situation presented to us after last night's loss. To have directionless play on the pitch is beyond the pale. For that MrP has to take ALL the blame as he created that opportunity for the players to represent the club with such abject performances -imo all bar 2 players. I;m with critical on this .... still 100% behind all things Spurs with MrP at the helm. Will be there on Saturday to welcome the real Spurs back.
Highgatespur
23/11/2016 14:33:00
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Guyver, I just can't contemplate a third loss at Wembley - we deserve more, After losing out on CL place through the 'regulations' previously I have no second thoughts on the EL. Will WHL meet the UEFA regs ?
Highgatespur
23/11/2016 14:41:00
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Pochettino has to take some responsibility so 4.5/10. A great manager though! But in every Champions league game a similar pattern took place, Danny Rose caught out attacking and as Harry Kane said yesterday we were unable to build from the back. Yes but frequent square passing and back passing even to Lloris in our own half was the main reason for that. If the midfielders can not "show" for a pass or if receiving the ball they just take the easy option and return it, then we will never "build from the back. (passing stats are good though). We will have the most wasted sideways passes of any Premier team this season! It must be difficult for the midfielders to anticipate a pass from the back if the ball is only played forward after 3-4 sideways passes. Or are they to blame for coming back to receive the ball. Down to personnel but at least Winks so far has not taken developed this habit and can find space to move the ball forward.
camper
23/11/2016 14:41:00
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Highgate - I agree, Poch got it wrong last night, but then again I do wonder whether he feels we haven't the quality of players to compete on both fronts, CL and PL and he has secretly made a choice to go for the PL. I think that is the cream he is after at this stage, and may be CL is a cream dream for the future when we have more quality.

Wouldn't suprise me if he throws Europa as well if we drop int that! lets hope we managed to turn our season into something special with some better performances.
TH4Life
23/11/2016 14:43:00
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I think a Wembley win ought to be sort after for the fans if nothing else. What a concern for next season if Wembley is to be our home. Would we better of playing at MK Dons
TH4Life
23/11/2016 14:45:00
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I was unable to view the match yesterday, which might be considered good luck on my part, I suppose. But I'm finding I've an unexpected sentiment rising up after several performances recently: a sense of embarrassment. If I had been asked in August whether this would be possible, I'd have thought "no." Even the unbeaten record in the EPL to this date is mocking us. Mauricio needs to demonstrate now that he as as good a manager (coach?) as the world though a few months ago. The words of a weird NBA player some thirty years ago, NY Knicks basketball player, Michael Ray Richardson, are creeping into my mind as he said of his team at that time, "The ship be sinking." Poch needs to right the ship now or the rats will be jumping. If I'm sounding unduly pessimistic now, remember that it wasn't all that long ago that I was accused as being overly optimistic. But we've seen some really poor performances by players we expected would be decent. The ship needs to be righted or the Pochettino era might come to a sad finale as we sink into the shoals. Davey Jones shouldn't have a locker in the tea room.
Falstaff the Fool
23/11/2016 14:53:00
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Don't jump on me as I like Poch and don't think he needs to go. But a bad run and Klinsmann out of a job might well see Levy get firing again!
TH4Life
23/11/2016 14:58:00
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Not jumping at you but what record does JK have in league games ? Any league ? Did he walk out of his last job or underperform ? What aspect of the PL results so far do you find unsatisfactory ? All genuine questions..
Highgatespur
23/11/2016 15:16:00
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"Will WHL meet the UEFA regs ?" Good point HGS. When you consider the reason (or excuse) given for us playing at Wembley in the CL, not sure playing at WHL for the EL would be possible.
Guyver
23/11/2016 15:29:00
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Poch has made his excuses for the CL campaign ( Wembley, mentality, squad) and saved key players for the Chelsea game (well a couple anyway) so that we can concentrate on the League. As usual he will have learned many lessons from our string of poor performances and this will no doubt be put right in a stunning victory at the Bridge. If not, and we receive the expected thrashing, then it will be very reminiscent of the AVB era and how that ended. Much as I would agree that our chances of winning the CL were slim to none to start with, the chances of us finishing top 4 on our performances so far this season are none to slim. It's time to stop making excuses and start proving that he is the manager we need by producing results not just philosophies.
Harry-Kari
23/11/2016 15:38:00
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In my heart I'm hoping this is only a rough patch that will pass quickly. In my gut I'm feeling quite queasy.
Falstaff the Fool
23/11/2016 15:41:00
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Harry-Kari I'd be shocked if we are thrashed by Chelsea. If Arsenal, Man City and Liverpool, couldn't beat us, let alone thrash us, not sure why you think Chelsea can.
Guyver
23/11/2016 16:04:00
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Geof, May be I should have been clearer. The issue is not just the Monaco game. Something seems to be amiss and has been for some time now. We are in a rut and needs sorting. Levy will not be calling individual players in to his office to explain their performances. He will definitely be speaking with Poch. Poch needs to find the answers. In his post match interview, he also referred to needing better players. Well, he is the MANAGER now, so the transfers and performances buck stops with him.
Critical_Spur
23/11/2016 16:09:00
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critical - just thinking maybe some heated discussions are taking place regarding the impending TW! Who knows - time to switch focus onto Saturday methinks - for me anyway....
Highgatespur
23/11/2016 16:15:00
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Absolutely spot on Highgate, the longer we delve on last night's game, the more depression will set in. Let's move on with a new article to deflect things and a win on Saturday will go a long way to bring the light in the dark tunnel closer! COYS!
Critical_Spur
23/11/2016 16:19:00
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critical, with you all the way .....
Highgatespur
23/11/2016 16:28:00
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Football is a funny old game. Chelsea are on an incredible high, Spurs are on such a downer with injuries and suspensions and we haven't won at Stamford Bridge for 26 years. Could this finally be our year to win there against all the odds. You never know COYS
DoncasterHotspur
23/11/2016 16:54:00
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Can't agree with some of those ratings, but our full backs were awful and their fullbacks were unbelievable.
vicspur
23/11/2016 16:55:00
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Guyver, re: Chelsea. At home they have been playing scintillating football, full of pace, movement and goals, everything that we should be doing but don't. However, their back 3 are all accidents waiting to happen, but if we continue with our current style of play we will never get close enough to exploit the weakness. Unless Poch changes things to get attacking players exploiting the space behind their wing backs we will be constantly on he back foot, and with our defenders marking space rather than putting in a tackle around the 18 yard box it's just made for the little Belgian midget to get shots away on goal. I thought we were much more fluid when Alli wasn't playing and that's partly due to the fact that his best position is CM where he can see the game in front of him and arrive late in the box. He can pass through the opposition but finds himself isolated up front nearly always with his back to goal and then tries some stupid flick and we lose both ball and momentum. I also don't agree with those who think GKN is not good enough. He is a raw talent that has pace, ball control and the ability to get behind defences and cross the ball. Even better if someone would play the ball behind defenders for him to run onto. The point is Poch has options but he is not using them very well and he doesn't seem capable of breaking out of this turgid ball retention approach. Consequently, on form, Chelsea should wipe the floor with us. I hope not because I despise Chelsea more than Arsenal but if Poch doesn't get a result then Tuesday's team selection will have been a complete lack of judgement on his part.
Harry-Kari
23/11/2016 19:31:00
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Highgate- to answer your question, my post wasn't about what I think about how we have performed in the PL but I was just suggesting, if we continue to under perform and many on here feel we have, then Levy may get itchy especially if we continue to under perform and drop points. I was just saying, Klinsmann is free, he is well liked at Spurs and if Levy sees an opportunity and gets itchy, fearful we are going backwards he may well 'react', whether he is right to do so is another matter and whether Klinsmann is right for the job is another a matter, I was just making light talk about what Levy could do in a rage of madness if things continue as they are.

I personally still think Poch is right man for the job, and I think we need to egt behind him, every manager hits a bad patch and I think Poch has hit one. The team is not playing great football and solutions need to be found before a collapse sets in. At the moment I think Poch is safe, but lets not forget Levy's past and how quick things can change with a run of poor performances.

Now we are out of the CL, PL has to be our priority, especially top four, on recent performances things could start to go horribly wrong. We were lucky against Leciester, we have drawn too many and a loss at weekend could be the beginning of a bad run, Poch has his work cut out, because most of us will agree, things are not working so well this year and if it doesn';t change soon it will take it's toll as it did in the CL.

I also think questions need to be asked especially regarding the summer signings but also with this seasons performnaces and the very poor CL campaign. Our CL campaign has been very poor, we went to pieces, so something isn't right. We have internationals in our squad, we have had the expereince of last season which we ought to have learnt from and build on and we haven't. Have we brought in weak minded international players who fall apart under pressure, or is it that they are still young, or is there something else going on. For me this season has been poor and we are fortunate to be were we are in the PL, but I have a unsettled feeling creeping in and I know what Levy can be like. Poch isn't safe, no manager is, but unless we improve and maiantain a top four challenge I can see a crisis coming into the club. lets not forget, our best players, Kane, hasn't signed his contract, Verts hasn't and Lloris hasn't. They want CL football, while I think Kane will stay until in the stadium I am not sure about Verts and Lloris and Toby's contract will need looking at soon, he is another who may well jump ship.

Something isn't right, and it needs sorting before levy tries to sort it, because we know what that would mean.

I think Poch has a big job on his hands simply because so many are under performing, and the subs are still not good enough. For me I think we wasted 30m on Sissoko and want to know who was behind that transfer, and I think Chadli could have done just as much as he has so far this season. I also think Njie had been with us a season and should have been settled to step up but we get a young GK who seems to need a season to sdettle, makes no sense, and Janssen is now worrying me.
TH4Life
23/11/2016 19:51:00
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Ok, so we all want answers and we are all speculating the reasons for team being chalk and cheese from last season. So many factors and potential reasons, clearly flicking over the on/off switch ain't gonna solve this. So, far I have seen numerous potential issues mentioned which has caused this malaise. I want to throw a few more in to the pot...

The players were fully aligned to Poch's philosophy last season and with a run of good result, we soon built a head of steam, only to be deflated at the very end. These players may well be adapting to the unsustainable high intensity demands of Poch's philosophy and therefore lowered their fuel burn to last the season? Secondly, The high number of injuries have had two effects, namely, lack of continuity and likelihood that those that are getting game time are trying to make the most of the opportunity, but reluctant to stick their bodies on the line (tackles etc) in case of injury (Son, Trippier last night). What's to say Dembele is not being apprehensive going all in to avoid further injury. Then there's the talent gap between the A teamers and the fringe players leading to more cautious style . No one wants to rock the boat because Poch's discipline regime means that they become outcasts, training with the kids or shown the door. questions, questions... answers on a postcard to THFC. COYS!
Critical_Spur
23/11/2016 20:23:00
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Oh well, Toby confirmed to be out v Chelsea. :0(
Critical_Spur
23/11/2016 20:31:00
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With Danny Rose missing through suspension, Davies injured, Verts LB? Wimmer LCB?...Another change to the back line.... Highgate's wish may come true with CCV over Wimmer.
Critical_Spur
23/11/2016 20:39:00
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We can turn over Chelsea, we just need to put the right players on the pitch in the positions they've been playing best in. Dier is much better suited for the DCM role more than anything. He does well to play the ball out from the back and on the occasion provides a goal threat during set pieces or when allowed to get near goal. Winner looked class next to Toby during Jan's absense. Argument is being Left footed he should not play as RCB, however I think playing alongside Jan will help his game. Dembele has played well alongside Dier in games I can remember to date. Dier gives him a little more free reign to roam forward, which I don't believe Wanyama affords to him. Ali must play behind Kane, it's where he scores most often. Erikson a season or two ago had a stint out on left wing, and it worked quite well! He always seems to link up well with Rose well in my opinion.

For me the first team has to be as follows: Lloris, Walker, Wimmer, Vertonghen, Rose, Dier, Dembele, Son, Alli, Erikson, Kane.

Looking at it on paper makes me feel much better about our club.
Ryan Murnane
23/11/2016 21:46:00
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I forgot rose was suspended... that makes things awkward at the back...
Ryan Murnane
23/11/2016 21:47:00
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Harry-Kari, we'll see. Our record at their ground isn't good anyway, just can't see us getting "thrashed" although I'd be a lot more confident if we weren't forced to use a makeshift back 4, with Rose suspended, Toby and Davies still injured. But keep in mind, Arsenal were also supposed to thrash us for similar reasons you've given.
Guyver
24/11/2016 10:45:00
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